Oliver 1600 FWA heads in for restoration
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Two restorations going on at the same time! I like it. She really put up a fight huh? For a minute there I thought it didn't want to come into the shop lol..
Ah for the love of old tractors and getting them started in cold weather.
Love your Olivers
That battery impressed me! I have been there, lots of cranking to hope it goes and then draining fuel at the carburetor and on and on. I worked for Helfert's Helena Farm Supply in East Helena, MT over the summer. I rebuilt the gas 265 in the shop 1650, we got a reliance kit and made it a 283. It started with me pulling the hood and fuel tank to reseal the steering unit, and then figured I should adjust the valves. I pulled the valvecover and noticed the springs sitting off in the retainer... I found a bunch of half circles of spring laying in the head, so we decided to pull the head. There was a ton of wear in the sleeves, it had been getting just a little coolant in the pan, and we could hear a slight wrist pin knock, so I took the pan off. It still had the 2 piece rod bushings, which fell out of the rod when I took them apart. I pressed in and reamed the new solid bushings, cleaned up the O ring seal surfaces, and reassembled it. Put new guides and valves in the head, cut the old seats, reassembled it, and it ran great after all that. I moved back to WA in the fall, but I had great times working there and talking about Olivers and whites with Neil, the owner.
Chris, thanks for sharing that with us! The slow motion video of the valve train was extremely excellent! So glad to hear Herman running again and see him on the go!
It's been pretty cold here in South Dakota. We finished harvesting corn on January 3rd. It was sitting in water and we needed to wait for the ground to get good and hard. It's hard to believe the difference of how cold it can get between here and where you live. I guess freezing ground was our best friend last fall. We got every acre harvested just needed it to get cold. Thanks for the video Chris.
I just finished my corn a week ago for the same reason. I've got a friend that has been running soybeans the last 2 days, so there's a fair amount of it going on. I know you guys get colder than we do, we had to wait for some snow to melt before we had enough frost in the ground.
Glad to hear you got done, it's always a relief.
I would love to see some more equipment tour at some point. I'm thinking a hay and forage video and a combine/harvesting video. That 525 looks interesting. Either way I enjoy all the content.
I never did finish the equipment tour... I'll try to get on that when warmer weather returns.
I think Herman wanted to go ice skating.
I look forward to your repair videos. I grew up on a farm with Olivers, but never really got involved in any major repair work as a kid. Dad was the master mechanic.
Maybe ice skates and a life vest just incase for the water plunge bro. Another resto to look forward to. Safe travels
I have been long spoiled since my Snap-On dealer sold me a $180 infrared heat gun when they first came on the market. It is a very quick tool to spot dead holes or underperforming ones simply by shooting temps on the exhaust manifold. Also great for finding bad electrical connections. I would have shot some oil in the cylinder to see if it improved the compression by helping seal piston rings. Today I would simply insert my trusty HF inspection camera in the cylinder thru the spark plug hole and look around. Ain't technology great. New tractor "Technicians" have to have a computer to tell them what us old farts could tell them by listening, feeling, and having a knowledge of reciprocating parts.
Keep up the great videos, and be careful that the 1600 does not steal any of the 1855 parts.
I seemed to have hidden my IR thermometer from myself. I was looking for it so I could check the manifold. And I did have a scope camera, then I used it in my sewer pipe, caught it on something and pulled the camera right off the end of the snake! That's right, I'm why I can't have nice things!
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Another suggestion from yet another old fart. A vacuum gauge. At least for gasoline engines,the information generated is quite substantial to a trained eye. Of course finding a port which will generate accurate signal is an issue.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Here's a thought. Clear off a shelf,add plastic tubs and perhaps half a dozen battery tenders. I speak with personal experience, batteries supported by a trickle charger with a chip just last and last. You sure got a bunch of equipment, having batteries you can trust to start the stuff comes in mighty handy. Not a lot of money need be spent,either.
All the best. Really like your stuff.
I agree about the trickle chargers. I use a 2 amp lawn mower charger except when I need a tractor to start now. The regular tractors have full time batteries, the rest get one thrown in them when I want to use them. A guy could have a small fortune in batteries when he could be spending that on more Oliver stuff.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Oh yes indeed. Well you clearly have a program going. You did mention some of the batteries needed help. At any rate,you are comfortable with with what you are doing.
I see the 525 in the background, would love to see a video on that!!!
A Thursday video and getting to watch you restore both of them is going to be awesome! I was excited to see Herman go swamping.
Nice video 😊 My bet Herman could have made it with no problem 😊👍 ice was that hard😎
I seen a 525 in there my grampa has one that been in a barn since early 80's I think.
With other tractors why you fall in love with Oliver tractors , was very good tractor?
G'day Chris great video mate
Thanks Murphy!
I was screaming at the screen “Open him up and let it eat!” What’s the worst that could happen? Herman gets stuck in the swamp forever? At least you’ll know Abby won’t ever sell him. Can’t sell something that becomes part of the earth.
I was thinking, I didn't bring chains, and it is COLD out. He might freeze in place before I could get him back out! The water is only a foot or so deep at the worst, so it's not like he'd disappear.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris my luck I’d stop in the one spot that went straight to China.
Then you can pick up more tools made with Chinesium!
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I wonder if they buy cheap American tools at Chopstick Freight? #pittsburgbeatssnapon
@@ThatOliverGuyChris lol.. more like they'd turn him into chinezium tools and send him back
The 1600 cranking sounds like me cranking to get up in the morning haha
I think my compression is low at times.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris have to sit on the side of the bed and idle for ten minutes most days.
Pretty cool video of valve train!!
Glad you liked it!
Love your videos Chris, hoping we cross paths someday
Well I've seen your video's on here before, but I am relatively new to this so I wanted to check your channel out. Like the Oliver, especially the 1600 FWA. My dad had an Oliver, I think it was an 1850? not sure. It had a Waukesha diesel in it, I didn't run it much and I was not at home at the time so I can't remember! Nice video thanks for sharing!
Hey Chris wow a Thursday video and another tractor resto project!! You must be board or feeling really ambitious. I think Herman would have skated right across that Ice like nothing. You should have tried it...
Years ago I took the 1650 out there to clear the ice, and that was before the terra tires. I might try it yet with Herman...
I want to at least get the engine done on the 1600 before my machinist retires. Being overly ambitious is going to make this winter fly by!
@@ThatOliverGuyChris its getting very hard to find good engine machine shops any more. The ones that are still around are so busy that it takes along time to get anything done. I just got a call earlier in the week that my perkins for the 1850 is ready to be picked up from the machine shop. It was only there for 11 months and I still have to do the assembly yet!
@@aaronkaraszewski2749 I didn't even ask how long the back log was wen I dropped off the 1855 parts. When I did the 2-155 he was 6 months out on complete engine work.
Man, you are a multi-tasker if I've ever seen one. I have trouble doing one at a time....
I better get the 1955 out of the shop before it starts getting nervous!
If the 1600 needs the seals inside the brake housings, please try and film the process.
Definitely.
Love the video. Did the swear jar get any love while trying to start the 1600?
I was going to throw some in and forgot. Good news, putting a 3 speed together today gave me some new opportunities!
Did you see the auction sale coming up in Dorr MI it has a lot of Oliver’s on it.
I did. I might have to go to that one, I see a couple things I might need.
Must have been colder than a witch's thorax of late, up your way.
It's cold, and was quite windy that day. Not Iowa or Minnesota cold, I dont think we've dipped into the negative numbers yet.
Oh the joys of old tractors.
How full is the swear jar getting. $$$$
Shoot, I was going to use it in this and forgot! Definitely a shoot moment. Lol
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I was wondering about that. Haha
Chris, I know it takes a bit to get oil to the top but, that seemed a bit too long before oil started to appear.
I'm honestly surprised you didn't get shocked when you pulled that plug wire. Didn't Gehl get absorbed into the Agco? Used to see a lot of their products in my area, then suddenly, it was either JD, NH or MF. Even IHC fizzled out. Of course IHC is now NH.
Hahahaha trying to become an "ice road tractor driver"? LOL I think Herman would still float across that... the wagon, not so much LOL Cheers :)
That seemed typical for an Oliver Waukesha to me. They get that oil from the rear main, and the way the holes line up up it meters the oil to keep too much from going up top. It drives me nuts when guys rev their Olivers right off the start. The mains and rods get it fairly quick, but the valve train...
I've goten shocked before, the secret is to grab the rubber part, not the metal. 😆🤣
Gehl got bought out by Manitou. They still make industrial equipment with the Gehl name on it. The Deere dealers in my area that had Gehl were forced to drop it by big green. Kinda hard to fight that.
I'm thinking Herman is going to have to try that soon. That ice has to be getting thick by now.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Completely agree with you about throttling up right after start up, to hard on the engine(s) in my opinion.
Ok, I wasn't sure about Gehl, tis why I asked. Thanks. Love the videos. Cheers :)
Nice video. 👍 Eaglegards...
Thanks 👍
Freaking gas set up in the carb... Didn't have to worry about that 30 years ago..
Nope. Now it goes bad if you look at it wrong.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris yup
In what machinery tour video did you cover that 525 combine?
I haven't covered the 525 yet. Looks like I need to.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I was just making sure I didn't miss it in a video I love the looks of those old oliver combines
Does a Oliver 1600 have and engine oil pressure relief valve? If so where is it and can it be adjusted. I have a 1600 that I just recently got running and it was supposed to be a good strong running tractor and it does run good but a put a manual gauge on the oil pressure and it’s a little lower than I would like cold haven’t run it enough to see what it is warm but the pressure also doesn’t change much from low rpm to high so I was wondering if it could be a sticky relief valve from sitting
It could be just that. Just above the right front engine mount where the casting comes out is a hex plug. I don't remember the exact size somewhere in that 7/8 to 1 inch size. Screw that out and the relief valve is in there. It's a spring and a barrel shaped plunger. I had a 77 with a sticky plunger and couldn't get it out. I finally ran it without the cap and spring and gently tapped it in, letting the oil pressure push it back out. A few back and forths doing that and it freed up. You might want to have someone ready to shut it down so you don't have to try to hold the plunger in while reaching for the key. It could get messy in a hurry.
One other thing, they are not a high pressure engine. The warning light doesn't turn on until it gets in the 5-8 psi area. Normal operating pressure is in the 25-30 psi area.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris thanks for the information my 1600 when you first start it the oil pressure is only like 12-15 cold at an idle but if you speed it up it goes to about 20-22 psi and if you idle it down again the oil pressure doesn’t drop so that’s why I was thinking the relief valve but now that you have informed me that they aren’t real high pressure engines I’m not as worried
Hey Chris do you know where you can get a steering cylinder from for the 4wd?
I think they're still available from Agco, but at a ridiculous price. Try The Tractor Doctor in Mondovi Wisconsin. They part out quite a few FWA Olivers and probably have something.
www.tractor-dr.com/
@@ThatOliverGuyChris thanks Chris. I love you videos
Yup... I'd say it's time for some compression makers...
I don't think laundry detergent is going to bring this one back.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris no... Might even find some wedding ring in the basement...
You totally could’ve made it across the ice 😂.
Speed conquers all!
Go for it lol
1500.00 the way it sits😂
I've got half that into a good set of fenders and axle housing for it! LOL
Herman on ice very interesting Herman under ice very bad 😃
Think your dad will bring the 1750 over and pull me out?
@@ThatOliverGuyChris oh boy that would be a video in its self
Didn't know they made a gas tractor that size with FWA. She is a bit cold natured isn't she...
It the smallest American made Oliver that could be ordered with FWA.
More gas
I felt sorry for you when you were making all those trips back & forth to get the tractor started, but if you would have got stuck in the pond, I wouldn't have had any sympathy at all. ;)
But it would have made good video.... :)
Man U are gust as bad as me lol get bord working on one project or waiting on parts so u start another lol