The Two Viruses That We’ve Had For Millions of Years

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    There’s one kind of herpesvirus that’s specific to one species of primate, and each virus split off from the herpesvirus family tree when the primate split off from its own tree. But of course, humans are a special kind of primate.
    Here are the two studies we discuss in this episode:
    Wertheim, J. O., Smith, M. D., Smith, D. M., Scheffler, K., & Kosakovsky Pond, S. L. (2014). Evolutionary origins of human herpes simplex viruses 1 and 2. Molecular biology and evolution, 31(9), 2356-2364.
    academic.oup.com/mbe/article/...
    Underdown, S. J., Kumar, K., & Houldcroft, C. (2017). Network analysis of the hominin origin of Herpes Simplex virus 2 from fossil data. Virus evolution, 3(2), vex026.
    academic.oup.com/ve/article/3...
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  • @eons
    @eons  4 роки тому +1275

    Hey Eons fam! We’ve seen your comments about how many herpesviruses humans can have and we wanted to clarify a few things. The two viruses we focused on for this episode are the herpes simplex viruses, HSV-1 and HSV-2. But they’re not the only herpesviruses that can infect humans, they’re just the ones we usually call “herpes.” There are actually eight herpesviruses that we’re the primary host of, including the familiar ones that cause chickenpox/shingles and mono. We can also be infected by herpesviruses from other species (like we talked about here), with herpes B from macaques being probably the most well-known (and VERY rare) example. Thanks for watching!

    • @jimspace3000
      @jimspace3000 4 роки тому +7

      So help me understand this please? We inherited virus infectability when the virus left its mark in reproductive DNA?

    • @slewone4905
      @slewone4905 4 роки тому +8

      Wait, I got an outbreak of a Herpes virus, and it's neither HSV-1 or 2. I got Chicken herpes, well technically SHingles, from Chicken pox.

    • @garymingy8671
      @garymingy8671 4 роки тому +1

      Weird ,huh ? It's alive ,it's intragrated . It's staying .

    • @sleekoduck
      @sleekoduck 4 роки тому +4

      Why is it that there was no mention about HS2 before the 1980s? Was it specific to isolated populations?

    • @GajanaNigade
      @GajanaNigade 4 роки тому +2

      To the presenter,
      First of all, I missed your name on the video & with the subscriptions I have, it's a pain in the behind remembering names of all.
      To the point, you are in a very strange speaking speed for me. Too slow at 1X and too fast at 1.25X (my preferred play speed.
      Not a complaint. Just an observation. I may just use Eons videos, with you as a presenter, at 1X to sleep once in a while.

  • @TheEmuofEnnui
    @TheEmuofEnnui 4 роки тому +3105

    "Nah babe, of course I didn't sleep with someone else. I got it from my hominid ancestors."

  • @albertamalachi3560
    @albertamalachi3560 4 роки тому +685

    If only Gordon Ramsay has a time machine, this all could've been prevented by him suddenly appearing and stopping said primate ancestor by loudly yelling, "It's raw!"

    • @boxinabox6608
      @boxinabox6608 2 роки тому +51

      He then delivers the secret of the lamb sauce and creates a primate lamb sauce cult

    • @drogfour2447
      @drogfour2447 Рік тому +47

      Gordon Ramsay, " It's RAW!!, use protection!"

    • @griggboat3588
      @griggboat3588 Рік тому +8

      Then adding some famous man of words to explain what raw is lol

    • @gregorysagegreene
      @gregorysagegreene 6 місяців тому +4

      Ramsay: "Ohhh! That's bareback!"

  • @johnorsomeone4609
    @johnorsomeone4609 3 роки тому +260

    I can’t wait to bring this up in casual conversation or at parties.

    • @hillierutopia4554
      @hillierutopia4554 3 роки тому +14

      That's actually kinda funny lol. It might work lmao

    • @Diesel257
      @Diesel257 3 роки тому +26

      Whoever goes silent and drops out of the convo has it.

    • @johnorsomeone4609
      @johnorsomeone4609 3 роки тому +5

      @@Diesel257 🤣

    • @kathycarroll4383
      @kathycarroll4383 3 роки тому +7

      Our present virus won’t let you go to a party. Lol

  • @bordenfleetwood5773
    @bordenfleetwood5773 4 роки тому +1424

    I really appreciate this channel's efforts to provide a cohesive narrative while still clearly stating the inherent issues with incomplete theoretical models like this one. It's a fine line that no doubt causes endless frustrations to the channel's research team, and I, for one, would like to thank you.

    • @michelangelobuonarroti916
      @michelangelobuonarroti916 3 роки тому +15

      He did a good job of explaining how science works.

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim 3 роки тому +2

      And yet he doesn't mention why we can conclude so confidently that it wasn't sexually transmitted. I have 0 doubt in my mind that that is how we acquired this virus.

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim 2 роки тому +2

      @@grapesurgeon Don't know why you replied 9 months later to a very calm comment saying calm down, lmao

    • @MissEddieBlueKawaiiKrafts
      @MissEddieBlueKawaiiKrafts 2 роки тому

      Yeah except the one piece of misinformation, that we don’t know yet which animal covid 19 came from 😐👀🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇

    • @kellymoses8566
      @kellymoses8566 2 роки тому +2

      @@MissEddieBlueKawaiiKrafts we don't

  • @momon969
    @momon969 4 роки тому +2369

    When it comes to chimp herpes documentaries, this is definitely in my Top 3

    • @michael43216
      @michael43216 4 роки тому +50

      Wait: there are other chimp herpes documentaries?
      I need links.

    • @MargoMB19
      @MargoMB19 4 роки тому +40

      I'm half-hoping you actually have a 2 and 1 in mind because that would kinda be awesome, is there actually more chimp herpes videos out there?

    • @DUD3H0WD4R3U
      @DUD3H0WD4R3U 4 роки тому +14

      @@MargoMB19 thats the joke

    • @kalkanort9333
      @kalkanort9333 4 роки тому +2

      @@MargoMB19 google it

    • @LolUGotBusted
      @LolUGotBusted 4 роки тому +69

      @@michael43216 those are the missing links

  • @eriathdien
    @eriathdien 4 роки тому +4361

    "The virus could have been transmitted by mating, which I'm sure has crossed your mind" DON'T JUDGE ME, BLAKE!!!!

    • @farticlesofconflatulation
      @farticlesofconflatulation 4 роки тому +173

      *inter-species intercourse*

    • @gabrielmora5092
      @gabrielmora5092 4 роки тому +112

      @@farticlesofconflatulation inter-species reviewers

    • @coxchaka
      @coxchaka 4 роки тому +93

      You know just being a pragmatic that that's the ONLY way it happened 😂

    • @ianmccombs5624
      @ianmccombs5624 4 роки тому +64

      Or in my mind, "Why not both?" ... why are you judging me now too? I'M NOT EVIL!

    • @BuriedFlame
      @BuriedFlame 4 роки тому +133

      "Do it like they do on the Discovery Channel"...

  • @HetfieldJames90
    @HetfieldJames90 4 роки тому +88

    That was my first thought
    "Someone clapped chimp cheeks"

    • @hainleysimpson1507
      @hainleysimpson1507 3 роки тому +1

      Wouldn't the chp mail them though?

    • @ol6halodude577
      @ol6halodude577 3 роки тому

      😂🤣

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim 3 роки тому +5

      You are almost certainly correct. Ridiculous how this video completely glosses over what is BY FAR the most likely scenario, for over a dozen reasons.

    • @CodeNameBoomy
      @CodeNameBoomy 3 роки тому

      Technically they were both chimps no?

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim 3 роки тому +6

      @@CodeNameBoomy Neither of them were chimps; one was basically a chimp ancestor, the other basically a human ancestor

  • @jasonholtkamp6483
    @jasonholtkamp6483 4 роки тому +3603

    Can I take a moment to shout out everyone in the comment section for choosing to watch an educational video instead of the millions of other toxic videos they could have chosen on UA-cam at this very moment. Good job. The fact that you landed here says something positive about you. Keep learning!

  • @turinhorse
    @turinhorse 4 роки тому +1052

    way to go, Paranthropus Boisei

    • @frostedmantis6414
      @frostedmantis6414 4 роки тому +70

      Turin Horse you ruined it for all 7 billion of us smh...

    • @GeraltofRivia22
      @GeraltofRivia22 4 роки тому +8

      @@frostedmantis6414 not everyone has herpes

    • @prikkel_
      @prikkel_ 4 роки тому +39

      @@GeraltofRivia22 Yeah but we can all still get herpes if were not carefull.

    • @rimoll
      @rimoll 4 роки тому +105

      Ah well... Boiseis will be boiseis.

    • @franciscomendezlacomba3856
      @franciscomendezlacomba3856 4 роки тому +37

      All families have that one cousin that always makes things worse....

  • @gabriellashimone6546
    @gabriellashimone6546 3 роки тому +173

    That's very interesting! When I studied nursing, there wasn't this information on the origins of HSV (graduated from nursing school in 1996). We knew it was a virus and that it became known as a virus in the 1940s but that was it. It's very interesting to learn origins of pathology to me because it gives more depth to what I already know. I imagine for some, this is less interesting because they may have already learned this in high school biology and consider it "common knowledge". Thankfully, amidst all the madness of our world, we can still manage to do meaningful research and exploration.

    • @ginnyjollykidd
      @ginnyjollykidd Рік тому +5

      Etiology and Paleobiology is always interesting. And you're right. It is quite edifying.

  • @yoyoodc
    @yoyoodc 2 роки тому +75

    Human Herpes Viruses include HSV1 and 2, as described. But also infectious mononucleosis, chickenpox/shingles, Burkitt's lymphoma, and cytomegalovirus. I'd like to know about those, as well.

    • @ADEpoch
      @ADEpoch 6 місяців тому +7

      Yes, ever since I learned that Chickenpox was a herpes virus I've been far more curious about it too! I'd love an episode on that one as well. (Not an episode OF that one ;-) ).

  • @semaj_5022
    @semaj_5022 4 роки тому +446

    EDIT: After watching the video and hearing that last line, I see why you've done this episode, and right now. Thank you for that.

    • @johnwalker1229
      @johnwalker1229 3 роки тому +4

      Yeah damnit, now I’m curious lol. What was it before the edit?
      Ps, leave the original so the edit makes sense : )

    • @swamidude2214
      @swamidude2214 3 роки тому +7

      Its also a good video fot those who think the covid virus is manmade because it couldnt happen naturally. Meanwhile our entire history we have catched things from other species. Just because we might be able to do it since a few decades, doesnt mean we did.

  • @kismet8010
    @kismet8010 4 роки тому +421

    This bump? Nah baby, I've had it for millions of years..

  • @enderslot467
    @enderslot467 4 роки тому +272

    Humans: MEDICINE HAH!
    Herpes: Do not speak that spell on me witch... I was there when it was written

    • @chandliercampbell7739
      @chandliercampbell7739 4 роки тому +8

      this made me giggle 😂

    • @rawhidelamp
      @rawhidelamp 3 роки тому +6

      It actually goes
      Do not cite the dark magic to me, witch. For i was there when it was written

    • @jane_doughnut
      @jane_doughnut 3 роки тому +4

      There is a medicine for herpes though. Valacyclovir is one. It suppresses the virus.

  • @tackogronday
    @tackogronday 2 роки тому +64

    I really wish these videos were around when I was younger. This is definitely a field of science I'd want to follow! Thank you Eons
    As a kid some used to make fun of me for watching Star Trek... and Nova. PBS has been helping to educate me since I was a kid... I need to donate more.

  • @joshuabowers9721
    @joshuabowers9721 4 роки тому +954

    Blake looks like he’s been crushing some weights man.
    Someone tell Muscle Hank over at a SciShow he has some competition.

    • @nicholaslang6187
      @nicholaslang6187 4 роки тому +50

      His clothes fit a little too tight...

    • @Taz.B
      @Taz.B 4 роки тому +77

      He can help me locate my lineage anyday... *yes I went there..*

    • @tim3tRav3l3RR60
      @tim3tRav3l3RR60 4 роки тому +19

      @@Taz.B good for you, not many people go there. 👏 👏 👏

    • @tifferifficxo
      @tifferifficxo 4 роки тому +6

      thanks for the laugh

    • @quietlyoutspoken420
      @quietlyoutspoken420 4 роки тому +9

      Glad I’m not the only one who noticed 😰

  • @guillemdevallesibanez5564
    @guillemdevallesibanez5564 4 роки тому +293

    PBS Eons have outdone themselves, this feels like a brain massage and it's beautiful

    • @eidolor
      @eidolor 4 роки тому +8

      Just hope I don’t itch after

    • @rasmusn.e.m1064
      @rasmusn.e.m1064 4 роки тому +7

      A brain massage wouldn't feel like anything
      _Oh, it's a simile_

    • @dragoncpu2226
      @dragoncpu2226 4 роки тому +2

      Smooth brain

  • @ecaillette
    @ecaillette 4 роки тому +167

    Sars-Cov19 watch this and take notes: successful viruses don’t kill their hosts. Be like HSV: find yourself a nice niche and stick with your species for the next 6 million years.

    • @WildFyreful
      @WildFyreful 4 роки тому +18

      Honestly, that always left me a little dumbfounded. If a virus kills its host so quickly, it's destroyed its means of transfer and reproduction. So wouldn't it eventually go extinct?

    • @tinker651
      @tinker651 4 роки тому +24

      @@WildFyreful viruses technically aren't alive. So there's no real "don't die out" gene. Just a spread. One fun thing we are now playing with are phages also not technically alive. They look like little robots. Deffinately worth a look ^_^

    • @faicotone
      @faicotone 4 роки тому +16

      Have you heard of Herpes Encephalitis? Trust me, you DON’T want Sars-Cov 19 to be more like HSV. At least we have a chance at eradicating COVID 19.

    • @RedRocket4000
      @RedRocket4000 4 роки тому +12

      @@WildFyreful Yes and they do go extinct. Whatever sweating sickness was it went extinct. Show symptoms and drop dead that day in 1500's and sweating sickness infected healthy young people. Seamed to flair and go away for many decades then stop occurring.
      The 1918 Influenza that killed more than WWI of healthy young but not to young adults mainly just went away within two years. I think it more likely it shared DNA with a different strain of Influenza and mutated out of the quickly fatal form though considering how fast it went away. or in this case stoped killing so many. Killed healthy people and let sick and children live because it caused a immune system overload that could only happen to a healthy immune system.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 4 роки тому +7

      When they kill too many of their hosts they go extinct, but if enough hosts survive or mutate more resistance, the virus might survive as well. Or the virus mutates into a less lethal, and thus more easily spreadable form.

  • @Devo14218
    @Devo14218 4 роки тому +20

    I can’t say I ever wanted to know so much about herpes, but I just can’t stop myself from watching your videos

    • @zack7122
      @zack7122 4 роки тому +1

      and this dude is absolutely SHREDDED and sexy af 😍

  • @jamesmacasinag1200
    @jamesmacasinag1200 4 роки тому +549

    i had enough corona rn i need a new virus to think about.

  • @ianmccombs5624
    @ianmccombs5624 4 роки тому +324

    Shrek to humanity: Could you not eat something crazy... FOR 5 MINUTES?!?!

    • @zlamanit
      @zlamanit 4 роки тому +7

      We only did it twice in 3 million years. That's not too bad.

    • @stephanie22345
      @stephanie22345 4 роки тому +21

      Tomasz Złamaniec we eat the unformed offspring of several species and milk from a few species. How is that not weird?

    • @robertstuart480
      @robertstuart480 4 роки тому +20

      Think about how many folks it took to figure out how to not die by eating Pufferfish.
      Or how we figured out which mushrooms were good on pizza and which would kill us.

    • @Karlandra
      @Karlandra 4 роки тому +3

      @@robertstuart480 not everybody has worked that out.

    • @boshengjones1778
      @boshengjones1778 3 роки тому +2

      @@robertstuart480 Or lobsters. I mean there was a time when ppl didnt' know the only way to cook them is to boil them alive.

  • @Vorador666
    @Vorador666 4 роки тому +34

    I love PBS Eons, great hosts, straight to the point, super informative no BS. Like for instance in this video, right from the start it dived right in the topic. In 9:30 there are a tremendous amount of education & information there presented in a crystal clear way, thank you.

  • @toreanstudios607
    @toreanstudios607 4 роки тому +139

    "The virus could have been transmitted by mating, which I'm sure has crossed your mind" Yeah, no, we haven't been giggling like 12 year olds for the past 7 minutes, nope XD

  • @jamesmitchell6925
    @jamesmitchell6925 4 роки тому +262

    How did malaria come to be? It’s lifecycle is so bizarre!

    • @phoule76
      @phoule76 4 роки тому +28

      its

    • @Phlebas
      @Phlebas 4 роки тому +58

      Excellent question! That would be a good topic for a video. For those who are so curious that they can't wait to see whether or not it will be picked up, here's a brief summary from what seems like a legitimate website (first thing to pop up on google that wasn't behind a paywall).
      www.malariasite.com/history-parasites/
      Related to that, I'd like to see a video on the evolution of sickle cell disease (I wrote a paper on it in my undergrad years ago and still find the subject fascinating). Some interesting facts that I recall coming across:
      - as a genetic condition, it evolved more than once in human populations (at least three times iirc). It's a case of convergent evolution and typically popped up in areas where malaria was common.
      - it's very likely to be something that became widespread in humans only a few thousand years ago. Most likely explanation is that agriculture created mosquito breeding grounds, which made malaria much more common.

    • @seannotconnery8191
      @seannotconnery8191 4 роки тому +9

      The more we learn about the natural world the more likely it is that such life could evolve elsewhere. We have animals and plants here that rival some of the best science fiction concepts tit for tat.

    • @nicholasalbeck7114
      @nicholasalbeck7114 4 роки тому +4

      Listen to "This Podcast Will Kill You" it's fascinating.

    • @Dragrath1
      @Dragrath1 4 роки тому +17

      This would be interesting the weirdest thing about malaria is probably that genetically the lineage malaria comes from the apicomplexa are very strange as they are close relatives of cilliates and dinoflagellate algae, but somewhere along the line they lost photosynthesis to become obligate parasites of animals (with apparently one known exception that shows evidence of evolving from parasitism to co dependence in some animal called a sea grape). Malaria even still maintains and depends on their chloroplasts for non-photosynthetic processes even though they are no longer able to photosynthesize which is why antimalarial drugs are designed to target their chloroplasts as that is one of the few targets they have that has no analog in animals.
      What I am curious about is what could switch an algae to switch from producing its own food to parasitism I presume the nutrient desert of the open ocean might be one driver for such behavior since the reaction between iron and oxygen causes iron to precipitate out of the water and likewise Phosphorous is also scarce with the best source being other organisms. I have read some intriguing details about the evolutionary competition between algae for nutrients as algae kill and "eat" each other when nutrients begin to run out. It put a lot more prospective on to why red tides kill it is apparently largely where those massive blooms deplete nutrients and crash they don't do so lightly after all their are lots of phosphorous and iron inside other creatures so evolution favored mass scale poisoning. Malaria like red tide seems to offer a potent example that algae are not passive organisms.

  • @ar1701
    @ar1701 4 роки тому +242

    Never in my long life have I seen an individual get as excited talking about herpes, as this guy .

    • @paultoler5517
      @paultoler5517 4 роки тому +22

      The excitement comes from teaching, not herpes itself.

    • @sammiegirl883
      @sammiegirl883 4 роки тому +4

      And herps isn't a shameful thing and it's not even as big a deal as people make it out to be. Half of the people infected only have one outbreak or are asymptomatic. It's also not even harmful or life-threatening for a grown person.

    • @bobjohnbowles
      @bobjohnbowles 4 роки тому +6

      I guess you don't know many med students :)

    • @garymingy8671
      @garymingy8671 4 роки тому

      Methinks he doth protest to much....

    • @beezwaxk190
      @beezwaxk190 3 роки тому +4

      @@sammiegirl883 it is a big deal they can't be around kids anymore they can't be teachers and now they have to tell there parents/partner that they have herpes and have you seen the mama that kiss her baby not knowing that cold sores was herpes the virus killed her baby plus herpes LOOKS DISGUSTING 🤮 it's not cute

  • @doncrownover2519
    @doncrownover2519 3 роки тому +20

    Great Speech Training! Absolutely PERFECT speed, emphasis and pauses. All of EONS speakers, always hold my attention perfectly!! And Thank you also for such great educational content... So Right ON!!!

  • @marisaveilleux8533
    @marisaveilleux8533 4 роки тому +27

    Never even crossed my mind to think how long the heroes virus has been around but that was so interesting! I’m sure tons of people don’t have a clue. I had no idea it went back so far.

  • @cchetthaphon
    @cchetthaphon 4 роки тому +211

    I am watching this while my herpes on my left lip are reoccurring. Thank you my ancestors for this gift.

    • @importantmancommenting9336
      @importantmancommenting9336 4 роки тому +24

      You have culture in you,congratulations

    • @ItsAsparageese
      @ItsAsparageese 4 роки тому +17

      I highly encourage you to look into the nutriceutical L-lysine. Making sure the lysine to arginine ratio in your tissues stays slanted in favor of lysine, you can make conditions ungood for replication of the virus, and thus keep it dormant and control outbreaks. If anyone has other illnesses or anything they should check with a physician before use of lysine, but it's generally safe and healthy for normative individuals since it's just an amino acid (another option is looking up and eating lysine-rich foods but I prefer to use supplements). I picked up oral herpes as a little kid and have used lysine to prevent outbreaks (with essentially perfect effectiveness; I only ever get outbreaks when I'm super stressed AND have been off my lysine for at least several weeks, so I go years at a time between breakouts) so it's been well over 20 years for me, and I can't recommend it highly enough. It's a cheap, generally safe, generally effective therapy for preventing replication in I believe the whole herpes virus family, and other viruses too. I hope more people look into the benefits of things like lysine and other legit evidence-supported nutriceuticals.

    • @pearlygeoff1789
      @pearlygeoff1789 4 роки тому +13

      @@ItsAsparageese Triggers for me are chocolate, peas, beans and nuts - arginine rich foods. Remedy - Acyclovir cream.

    • @phoule76
      @phoule76 4 роки тому +18

      left lip? how many lips do you have?

    • @wolfzmusic9706
      @wolfzmusic9706 4 роки тому +2

      WE WUZ VIKANGS!!! n shiet. they didn’t mean that lip xD

  • @erincampbell4743
    @erincampbell4743 4 роки тому +141

    It's a common misconception that HSV-1 only causes oral herpes and HSV-2 only causes genital herpes. Either one can affect either area. It is just more common to have one type over the other in each location.

    • @LoveTrueMusic1
      @LoveTrueMusic1 3 роки тому +4

      Source: I have "HSV-2" from someone with HSV-1, my diagnosing doc said they are the exact same virus

    • @erincampbell4743
      @erincampbell4743 3 роки тому +36

      LoveTrueMusic1 They are different strains of the same virus... Also, having it doesn’t mean you know anything about it, just saying.

    • @ooooneeee
      @ooooneeee 3 роки тому +34

      The video does state that already.

    • @ActionJackson669
      @ActionJackson669 2 роки тому +2

      Then what is the real distinction between the two, if that isn't it?

    • @erincampbell4743
      @erincampbell4743 2 роки тому +1

      @@ActionJackson669You know google exists, right? It’s so easy to find out

  • @savannahherrera6714
    @savannahherrera6714 4 роки тому +5

    Your team pulled through with covering this topic and many people I know are so glad Eons shared this information with us! Thanks so much to your work and many efforts to putting this segment together for the general public! I shared this video everywhere I could. I have seen every video posted and must say I'm hooked on this channel!

  • @peterconnor94
    @peterconnor94 4 роки тому +17

    This is honestly the best channel on UA-cam, I love all the presenters but Blake feels like the cool fun teacher from school I never had.

  • @Kevin-gc7zl
    @Kevin-gc7zl 4 роки тому +58

    This is the best-structured one yet! I especially liked the discussion about hypotheses and how much of this information we can be confident in. It would be nice if each video ended with an overview of how these studies supplement each other, and why we can trust the science.
    Too many of my friends will dismiss an entire topic because some of the downstream hypotheses are untested. It's important to teach people about how we know what we know and how much confidence we can have in this information.
    For example, can we be sure that Paranthropus Boisei was the hominin that transmitted HSV-2 to our ancestor? No, but it's not unlikely and it's a hypothesis based on informed calculations.
    Can we be sure that HSV-2 crossed species AFTER our last common ancestor with chimps? We can be fairly certain here since the science is robust, and the genetic data is clear.
    Critical thinking can and must be versatile.
    Great job once again!

  • @cheaplaughkennedy2318
    @cheaplaughkennedy2318 4 роки тому +85

    Really interesting segment, thanks for the education.

    • @Idkmanihatethis
      @Idkmanihatethis 4 роки тому +3

      I haven't seen an actual comment like this since 2013.

  • @fvlegacy0128
    @fvlegacy0128 4 роки тому +5

    Eons has got to be my favorite UA-cam channel. Awesome hosts and informative videos about topics that don't always get covered much elsewhere. Keep it up guys :)

  • @alexm9148
    @alexm9148 3 роки тому +9

    I very much appreciate that you adapt your subjects to the news! It’s great to see a story about things that happened millions of years ago that give a clearer perspective to what we are facing now. Well done! 👌

  • @Abigail-hu5wf
    @Abigail-hu5wf 4 роки тому +47

    Very interesting! Thank you for this video! One thing I might recommend for a video topic would be the evolution of vertebrate eyes, especially colour reception! Humans are quite unusual in being a tricolour vision mammal, and birds have done their own thing for a long time.

  • @luiseduardoquezadadiaz3629
    @luiseduardoquezadadiaz3629 4 роки тому +5

    And we are still here!
    Thanks Eons.

  • @ksoman953
    @ksoman953 3 роки тому +3

    "This has been happening to us and our ancestors for millions of years. And we are still here."

  • @Bimtavdesign
    @Bimtavdesign 4 роки тому +3

    Eons' production just keeps getting better and better

  • @CarthagoMike
    @CarthagoMike 4 роки тому +291

    And this could likely be prevented if the primate had just washed their hands and cooked their meat.

    • @LeatherNeck1833
      @LeatherNeck1833 4 роки тому +33

      HSV-2 doesn't work like that. This one involves "Lil' Willie" being poked around in places it shouldn't have been.

    • @aetherblackbolt1301
      @aetherblackbolt1301 4 роки тому +7

      Smh you can't say that about their culture, it's waycist.

    • @KuK137
      @KuK137 4 роки тому +23

      @@LeatherNeck1833 Uh, did you watch the video? At all? It's the case today, but it wasn't back then...

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 4 роки тому +12

      @@KuK137 given the humans tendency to stick little willy anywhere it will fit (of both sexes), the genital herpes virus could just as easy the have followed this path...

    • @wildgrem
      @wildgrem 4 роки тому +4

      @@allangibson8494 Exactly. Add other animal species, plant life and inanimate objects to that list too.

  • @kizombooooo8457
    @kizombooooo8457 4 роки тому +43

    Thank you for not just specifically talking about Covid 19! That’s all these educational channels are talking about and it’s getting annoying.

  • @frankvazcar1696
    @frankvazcar1696 3 роки тому +7

    I've been binge-watching your videos for the past couple of weeks and now I'm thinking about starting a new career path! Maybe I'm still on time to do it. Thanks for your amazing content !!!

  • @Vak_g
    @Vak_g Рік тому +2

    I just found your channel! I can't even describe how amazed I am! Thank you very much for these videos!

  • @KimberlyGreen
    @KimberlyGreen 4 роки тому +92

    Thus the case is made to continue funding basic research science, upon which the medical knowledge that will defeat COVID-19 is based.

    • @joshmarden9933
      @joshmarden9933 4 роки тому +9

      0.003% death rate in my province. Very scary #... haha. When you have a tightly packed population of unhealthy smoking alchoholics that dont care about hygiene you're gonna have a bad time. Especially if your nation is obese.

    • @GDKLockout
      @GDKLockout 4 роки тому +2

      The harsh but truth is that we should not. Its in our best interest as a species to carry on without those weak to viruses.
      I dont want it to be me or my kids that is sacrificed, but the logic is there.
      We are about to find out with Sweden and a few other countries having very relaxed restrictions. They are getting hit now, but claim that the rest will be hit repeatedly and we are only drawing it out.

    • @riley8385
      @riley8385 4 роки тому +8

      @@GDKLockout Of course we are, that's the point: not overloading the healthcare system, because:
      1. It causes the virus to spread even farther, which can result in a mutation.
      2. It makes other medical emergencies more deadly, because of the aformentioned overloading of the healthcare system.
      The point is to prevent deaths, not to sacrifice as many people as possible.
      If sacrificing the "weak" were a good thing, may as well dismantle every hospital and let natural selection do its thing.

    • @tuele4302
      @tuele4302 4 роки тому +1

      @@joshmarden9933 Or if your nation has a lot of old people living close together, as is the case in Northern Italy.

  • @hairypickle123
    @hairypickle123 4 роки тому +370

    I read the title "When Homies Hot Herpes"

    • @kilindogma9711
      @kilindogma9711 4 роки тому +10

      i was sure i wasn't the only one

    • @sydneyatkins6249
      @sydneyatkins6249 4 роки тому +48

      Man the homies got herpes 😔

    • @uhohhotdog
      @uhohhotdog 4 роки тому +18

      I guess they changed the title because that's not even close

    • @Dzztzt
      @Dzztzt 4 роки тому +1

      @@uhohhotdog I'm glad i wasn't the only one to notice they changed the title.

    • @sanketsenapati350
      @sanketsenapati350 4 роки тому

      Pass the joint please

  • @afhdfh
    @afhdfh 4 роки тому +25

    Isn't it the same with lice? Headlice are only distantly related to pubic lice which are closer related to Gorilla lice as far as I've heard.

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim 3 роки тому +5

      This is exactly one of the reasons that it's way more likely herpes was sexually transmitted. There are even "scientists" who will deny that pubic lice was sexually transmitted from gorilla ancestors! How they can do that is beyond me.

  • @enriquevigo1746
    @enriquevigo1746 3 роки тому +2

    Help I've been watching PBS Eons videos for like 3h now, I can't stop
    I wish my university classes were this interesting, i can barely focus for like 30min on those

  • @sarfrazmh31
    @sarfrazmh31 4 роки тому +10

    You folks @EONS are seriously intelligent. Thank you so much for all your videos. And you make it user friendly for mediocre IQ like mine .

  • @lathanharrison6332
    @lathanharrison6332 4 роки тому +33

    I’ve been with this channel since the beginning and I swear that every time Blake hosts he’s built like 20lbs of muscle more than last time.

  • @fionagibson7529
    @fionagibson7529 Рік тому +2

    Thanks to this video I was able to provide an answer to the question “what about humans is unique among primates” for an anthropology class. The professor said he’d never gotten that answer before.

  • @Munchkin.Of.Pern09
    @Munchkin.Of.Pern09 2 роки тому +7

    Really cool watching this again after doing my hominid evolution lab in university a couple weeks ago... I worked with replicas of the exact skulls that you used to represent each species!

  • @ekimkara9260
    @ekimkara9260 3 роки тому +4

    This is a very interesting representation of the viral history. Thank you for this video!

  • @ralphhooker6019
    @ralphhooker6019 3 роки тому +2

    Excellent presentation of a complex subject. Thank you.

  • @justanotherguy9690
    @justanotherguy9690 4 роки тому +1

    I am really amazed how well made this video was. Sincere thanks and appreciation from your biggest fan in Syria❤️

  • @marcmq
    @marcmq 4 роки тому +3

    More virus histories please! ❤️

  • @TheDinosaurus99
    @TheDinosaurus99 4 роки тому +7

    Great video guys as always!!! Keep up the good work!!! Love paleontology. Dont forgot the 2 evolutionary history epsiodes: the pinnipeds and tyrannosaurids

  • @SadisticSenpai61
    @SadisticSenpai61 3 роки тому +3

    And there's HCMV, which I learned about last February. "Human cytomegalovirus (HCMV) is a beta-herpesvirus that causes lifelong infection in humans. HCMV has a prevalence of 55-100% within the human population, depending on different socioeconomic and geographical factors."
    My partner already had it and it flared up on him in late January 2020 and nearly killed him. He ended up spending almost all of February in the hospital as a result (which also meant that we were already quarantining in March to give his immune system time to recover - lucky for us). Normally, it's a harmless virus that most ppl will never even know they have. But for immune-compromised ppl like my partner (kidney disease), it can be deadly.

  • @jasonwalker9471
    @jasonwalker9471 4 роки тому +2

    This is one of the best channels on UA-cam:).

  • @michaelreyes2758
    @michaelreyes2758 4 роки тому +2

    This video sent me back to looking as all the other videos you did on human history and hominids. You should make a poster of the different early human species that led up to us! I’d buy that

  • @Xnaut314
    @Xnaut314 4 роки тому +90

    I've heard the the herpes virus resides in nervous tissue when its dormant so maybe the original infection may not have been merely from eating a proto-chimp but from specifically cracking a skull open and eating brain tissue? It's a bit of a stretch but it could increase the time of virulence of a carcass.

    • @user-ow7fc4wi5k
      @user-ow7fc4wi5k 4 роки тому +22

      It doesnt reside in brain tissue tho but in sensory neurons in the spine

    • @danmueller4021
      @danmueller4021 4 роки тому +8

      @@user-ow7fc4wi5k trigeminal nerve*

    • @priscillafalzirolli3833
      @priscillafalzirolli3833 4 роки тому +8

      Since you need a high enough viral load to get infected with any virus, I'd say it's far more likely it came from an active infection rather than a dormant one. I'm not even sure dormant herpes spp. viruses are contagious, although assymptomatic shedding is a possibility.

    • @redactedz6146
      @redactedz6146 4 роки тому +12

      @@Chris-rg6nm gotta get whatever ancient puss you can in those days before croaking it at age 20 I suppose

    • @GoogelyeyesSaysHej
      @GoogelyeyesSaysHej 4 роки тому +5

      Priscilla Falzirolli more than 70% of people have herpes 1 without symptoms, it obviously spreads regardless

  • @tayloraverett1841
    @tayloraverett1841 4 роки тому +134

    Love Eons, fun to learn! But let me go on a tangent and say that the host is looking hella swole! Very handsome!

    • @sideaccount1772
      @sideaccount1772 4 роки тому

      Taylor Averett :P

    • @rayceland7625
      @rayceland7625 4 роки тому +6

      same i could help to be mesmerized by his pectorals especially when he was talking about primitive man

    • @Stonka1
      @Stonka1 4 роки тому +3

      I get distracted when the lady is presenting 👀

    • @VaradMahashabde
      @VaradMahashabde 4 роки тому +1

      #QuarantineGoals

    • @tom123216
      @tom123216 4 роки тому +1

      Yesss his pectorals are distractingly arousing my primitive instincts

  • @aliablackwell8311
    @aliablackwell8311 2 роки тому +1

    Thankyou sci show! I find this vid very comforting! It encourages me that one day we will get back to our humans lives when we finally get this virus under some sort of control.

  • @adamsp5006
    @adamsp5006 3 роки тому +2

    A brilliant educative explaination. Thank you

  • @depression8841
    @depression8841 4 роки тому +3

    Ok, but the ending to their videos always gives me chills.

  • @thegamechanger3317
    @thegamechanger3317 4 роки тому +12

    From my study, I know there are 6 or 7 herpes viruses that can infect humans like chicken pox, CMV, HSV1 and 2.
    What is the full story I would like to know.
    And thanks for this video, It keeps me interested.

    • @EebstertheGreat
      @EebstertheGreat 4 роки тому +5

      Wikipedia says there are nine herpesviruses that infect humans. The most famous is _Varicella zoster_ , which causes chickenpox and shingles. This video seems to not actually be about the whole family of herpesviruses (called _Herpesviridae_ ), but specifically about the _Simplexvirus_ genus. There are only two of those viruses that infect humans, called _Human alphaherpesvirus 1_ and _2_ , though usually they are called "herpes simplex virus 1" (HSV1) and 2 (HSV2). I wish they had made that a little clearer.

  • @Articulate99
    @Articulate99 2 роки тому

    Always informative, thank you.

  • @tjoconnell2524
    @tjoconnell2524 4 роки тому +6

    Hey Eons, you guys should do a video on strange prehistoric animals like hyenadon or enteldtont and how convergent evolution played a role in their strangeness.

  • @johnrobinson4445
    @johnrobinson4445 4 роки тому +16

    "...and we're still here." Bravissimo.

  • @nathanglasser6845
    @nathanglasser6845 2 роки тому +3

    Rewatched this because I have been dealing with a cold sore for the past few days. Luckily it's getting much better. Can't remember the last time I had one, but know it's been years.

  • @marcuspradas1037
    @marcuspradas1037 2 роки тому +5

    Great video as you have us accostumed to. I'd like to add, that maybe herpes wasn't so mild at the beginning. Many infections when they're starting to get from one species to the other (stages 2 and 3), many times are lethal or very morbid. Then, if they pass on to other stages of transmission till the moment we have full horizontal transmission, they tend to coevolve and become less virulent, who knows if even beneficial. Congratulations and thanks for all your efforts!

  • @space-raider-system5828
    @space-raider-system5828 4 роки тому +9

    Watching this with my mum, she sees the graphic of zoonotic diseases, and goes "aww look at Ebola, it's different"

  • @lwolfstar7618
    @lwolfstar7618 Рік тому +4

    One of the worst things I learned that I didn't want to was that dogs can catch genital herpes from people (reading veterinary disease articles and stumbled upon one looking into a breakout in some communities dogs. I would love to forget their hypothesis on why it was happening)

    • @margodphd
      @margodphd 5 місяців тому

      Please tell me it's because dogs raid dirty underwear.....

    • @stephenolan5539
      @stephenolan5539 5 місяців тому

      ​@@margodphd
      Or people had the virus that usually causes genital herpes in their mouth. That happens.
      And they let the dog lick their face.

    • @helenaquin1797
      @helenaquin1797 4 місяці тому

      ​@@margodphdOh, pray~

  • @EbenVisher
    @EbenVisher 3 роки тому +2

    Wow, this presenter is by *far* the most interesting one I've seen on PBS. Thanks to him a million-fold! Further, his hundreds of hours at the weight machines make him look so healthy and fit. I love the effect and am jealous. Girls probably go ga-ga over it. Altogether, this was a good video, wonderfully presented by a world-class speaker. Thanks so much.

  • @stefanmayr9379
    @stefanmayr9379 4 роки тому +1

    Great vlog, very informative..
    By the way, I love my personality including my virus.. Lol
    Thanks a lot for your engagement and your great work 👍👌
    Greetings from Austria and take care, stay safe 👍🇦🇹✌️

  • @katrinahouston6249
    @katrinahouston6249 2 роки тому

    Awesome video! Thank you, for sharing. 🙏🏻😃

  • @PATRICKSMITH1
    @PATRICKSMITH1 3 роки тому +25

    "A hominid handling the butchered remains of a primate."
    Hmmmmmm. Or interspecies loving..

    • @Pippis78
      @Pippis78 3 роки тому +1

      It could have been both 🤢

    • @HuckleberryHim
      @HuckleberryHim 3 роки тому +2

      It is far, far, far, far, FAAAAAR more likely to have been our ancestors getting freaky with proto-chimps. Not even close. You're more correct than most of those "scientists" cited in the video were.

  • @TragoudistrosMPH
    @TragoudistrosMPH 4 роки тому +8

    Thank you for explaining the difference between HSV-1 and HSV-2!!!!! People confuse cold-sores with genital herpes all the time.
    Knowledge is power!

    • @AlexMoreno-zj7po
      @AlexMoreno-zj7po 4 роки тому +1

      but both can also cause the other kind of sores

  • @garretth8224
    @garretth8224 4 роки тому +4

    Its crazy that even with the amount of knowledge we have acquired. We still have much more to learn.

  • @themonkeymoo
    @themonkeymoo 4 роки тому +3

    The strain doesn't dictate whether you get oral or genital sores. You get sores in the location where the infection takes up residence, which will be in proximity to where the virus first makes its way into the body. This is usually an oral or genital mucus membrane, but it can also be another membrane or a laceration or other wound.
    Most infections are caused by either oral-oral or genital-genital contact, so there is a very strong correlation between strain and location. This is not a *causative* relationship, though; it is merely circumstantial to the means of transmission.

    • @TheAkwarium
      @TheAkwarium 3 місяці тому

      my cousin used to get herpes on his cheeks and ears

  • @UATU.
    @UATU. 4 роки тому +33

    If I ever see this guy at a TED Talk I am going to throw my room key on the stage.

    • @rpineda8373
      @rpineda8373 4 роки тому +13

      Im straight but he be looking fresh

    • @GotPotatoes24
      @GotPotatoes24 4 роки тому +8

      dilf 😍

    • @Alonne1
      @Alonne1 4 роки тому +17

      He probably will go to your room to explain you when humans evolve the capacity to effectively throw objects and how they applied that ability as a hunting strategy

    • @TaterKakez
      @TaterKakez 4 роки тому +4

      Salmen then you just jump in with your mating display.. 💃

    • @TaterKakez
      @TaterKakez 4 роки тому +3

      ....yea. Same.

  • @humanname6534
    @humanname6534 3 роки тому +4

    This is so interesting. I know its a hypothesis, but I've always been curious how diseases "started"

  • @CapitalCLYDE
    @CapitalCLYDE Рік тому +2

    That stock photo of a person with a cold sore is a pipe dream. If you don't catch them before they erupt and begin treatment immediately (like, hours, not days) then they may only look like that. If not, you're in for a miserable week to week-and-a-half. I've had an outbreak that covered almost a third of my mouth had blisters. It was so painful that I could barely eat or drink because I could barely open my mouth. These viruses really, REALLY suck.

    • @TheAkwarium
      @TheAkwarium 3 місяці тому

      what I do when I get the blisters is I pop them with a sterile needle and rub it with a cotton pad with salicylic alcohol. It disinfects the wound and dries it up nicely and it's gone the next day.

  • @aliichi
    @aliichi 3 роки тому +1

    Me trying to escape the burn and pain of a bad cold sore I currently have via mind-numbing youtube videos and I click on this one. I now know who to blame for this awful discomfort other than the person I shared lip gloss with in high school.

  • @nickvinsable3798
    @nickvinsable3798 4 роки тому +8

    Actually, I remember watching something from Sci-Show about curing the common cold through genetic engineering. However, the lab animals that were immune to the common cold had reproductive problems. Hence, the Herpes Virus needs a number of specifically specialized cells that can be found in our respiratory tract & our reproductive organs.
    -N’k V’nsable of Princeton, Minnesota…

  • @grantingtherant1465
    @grantingtherant1465 4 роки тому +50

    So how old is Malaria? It would be fascinating/terrifying to learn about mankind's worst enemy, unless there's already an episode about it that I forgot about

    • @nicolasmenard-guy2028
      @nicolasmenard-guy2028 4 роки тому +2

      "This podcast will kill you" has a very good episode about malaria. They trace its history but don't talk much about our ancestors

    • @Fungii001
      @Fungii001 4 роки тому +5

      The first evidence of malaria parasites was found in mosquitoes preserved in amber from the Palaeogene period that are approximately 30 million years old. Human malaria likely originated in Africa and coevolved with its hosts, mosquitoes and non-human primates.

    • @sammyr6911
      @sammyr6911 4 роки тому

      You mean Pangaea

    • @JorgeGomez-kt3oq
      @JorgeGomez-kt3oq 2 роки тому +1

      @@SusanKay- I had malaria or as we call it "paludismo", it ain't pretty. Don't have any sequels so I'm lucky

  • @Mrf388
    @Mrf388 4 роки тому +1

    it does make you wonder. You guys are great. patrick, jake, jon, sean, steve. you guys rock! love this channel. oh, and the host.... can't remember your name, btw martial arts come in handy too.

  • @KamJ2010
    @KamJ2010 6 місяців тому

    This was amazing!

  • @Phlegethon
    @Phlegethon 4 роки тому +16

    Mating transmission never crossed my mind...

    • @mad_max21
      @mad_max21 4 роки тому

      Even though the virus is known to cause venereal disease now?

    • @CessieInVancity
      @CessieInVancity 4 роки тому

      Me neither lol

    • @angelikaskoroszyn8495
      @angelikaskoroszyn8495 3 роки тому

      It's not surprising when you consider that humans' recipe for survival is "if you cant beat them, join (mate with) them"

  • @mpart_woodlathe-stuff
    @mpart_woodlathe-stuff 3 роки тому +4

    "... and not through the digestive tract" - hmm, this makes sense thus the open wound or sore. I was wondering why you were saying "through butchering" so often. Thanks.

  • @nsl-u-boot8464
    @nsl-u-boot8464 2 роки тому +1

    Great Video! thank you very much!

  • @Bae_Mae13
    @Bae_Mae13 4 місяці тому

    STEVE YOU ROCK!

  • @VacuumDweller
    @VacuumDweller 3 роки тому +9

    "Proto-Chimp" seems like a great band name

  • @matheuspaog
    @matheuspaog 4 роки тому +162

    Man, look at those muscles! His is shirt is about to explode hahahahah

    • @cihesham
      @cihesham 4 роки тому +16

      LMAO I'd hate to be those pants too

    • @muffins4tots
      @muffins4tots 4 роки тому +24

      @@cihesham I want to be his pants

    • @thekalifornian4244
      @thekalifornian4244 4 роки тому +35

      I’m glad I’m not the only one whose noticed Blake’s rockin’ bod. I never wanted to feel like I was marveling at him for anything than his big brains, he has big muscles too 😊

    • @gellagz9009
      @gellagz9009 4 роки тому +8

      i didnt even look at him i just listen to his narrative and just reading comments and occasionally glance at the image poping at the screen until now that a gay coents about his muscles and wathc it all over again😂

    • @CarlosGraOca
      @CarlosGraOca 4 роки тому +7

      x3 😆 plus I see he’s into leather...

  • @bigspicydad8970
    @bigspicydad8970 3 роки тому

    Big ups to all the lads keeping the lineage going 🙏

  • @VJamrita
    @VJamrita 4 роки тому +1

    I loved this video thanks

  • @cameronbonthrone7004
    @cameronbonthrone7004 4 роки тому +3

    What about the plethora of other herpes viruses like EBV and CMV? Not being on the family tree really confused me. Are they herpes viruses specialised for other species or not technically herpes viruses? Thank you for the video though, very interesting!

  • @juniorloaf12
    @juniorloaf12 4 роки тому +156

    I am totally heterosexual, but I still think you should do the next segment shirtless.

    • @destree6348
      @destree6348 4 роки тому +3

      Alexander Wallace 😂

    • @juniorloaf12
      @juniorloaf12 4 роки тому +31

      @@destree6348 dude he's gotten so buff, seems like every video the guy bulks up 5lbs of muscle

    • @sammyr6911
      @sammyr6911 4 роки тому +17

      Alexander Wallace
      I say that you’re at least bisexual

    • @Nathanatos22
      @Nathanatos22 3 роки тому +5

      I’ve got bad news for you

    • @anthonydaniels1635
      @anthonydaniels1635 3 роки тому +36

      Sammy R I’m not sexually attracted to mountains but I know a beautiful landscape when I see one.

  • @pikminlord343
    @pikminlord343 4 роки тому

    A really informative video

  • @Elephantine999
    @Elephantine999 Рік тому

    Our understanding might be different in the future. "That's just how science works." Thanks for mentioning that. Too many don't seem to get that. Interesting video. :)