One thing I thought was interesting is that the RGS 20 has been that number since it's first numbering on the Florence and Cripple Creek, unlike the 315 (425). The 20 is a class T-19 which means it's a bit more powerful than the 168, a T-12 class locomotive. Loved this series and sorry I didn't run into you folks when I was there
Once again, another great show. I was wondering if you guys were going to cover the Victorian Iron Horse Roundup, and you didn't disappoint. I can't wait to see the rest of the series. Will you guys be doing a show on the Trains Magazine 81 for 81 photo charter that's taking place in Ely next month?
Wait, so there were 5 steam engines that were part of the Gathering of Victorian Steam Engines, but there were also three others here that were operating as part of the regular railroad! WOW! So you got to see 8 steam engines running all at once! That had to be awesome! Again, thanks so much for these videos! And wow, we're not even done yet! Awesome!
Definitely in 7th Heaven with all these locomotives. I can remember #168 setting in the park across from the old Denver and Rio Grande depot in Colorado Springs when I was a kid growing up. #20 I believe that it started out on the Florence and Cripple Creek narrow guage railroad before being sold to theD&RG railroad. It is really good to see them both back in working condition and doing what they were meant to be doing. Thanks for sharing and see you Tuesday.👍🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
It was really great when Robert Richardson explained to me how we ended up with number 20. He bought all that other equipment and just sort of ended up with number 20. I have that video and I should just post it.
BEAUTIFUL VIDEO 168 FLEXING ITS STRENGTH SPINNING ITS WHEELS JUST BEAUTIFUL HAVE A GOOD DAY STAY SAFE THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH YOUR SUBSCRIBERS I APPRECIATE IT AND YOU BOTH THANKS AGAIN JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA 👍👋
They're all gorgeous, but the two earlier steam locos are more so because of their victorian appearance. But, I think the modern ones are awesome, too. I hope they can keep 'em running 'cause I'm aware these beauties are coal-burners and there's a shortage of coal. Like you guys, I enjoyed seeing 'em worked on. As I've said in your previous episode, I envy the people who restore, maintain and operate these steam engines. I can't wait for your next show from New Mexico. I enjoy your shows! 👍😉
+ToyMan *First up is 2'C-n4 Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co. 10-22 D SerNo 6670, originally delivered 1883 to the Denver & Rio Grande from the Baldwin Locomotive Works, Philadelphia, PA, USA.* Baldwin built 3'-0" gauge ten-wheelers as extended eight-wheelers to keep reasonable firebox grate area and airflow in the boiler. Box headlamp consistent with as-delivered is atop the extended smokebox, and the 1880's builds had streamlined sandboxes and steam domes that would be scaled up and down for early-20th-Century models, superheats and otherwise. 1'D-n4 Burnham, Williams & Co. 10-26 E SerNo 14352 was originally built for the Florence & Cripple Creek, delivered 1895 from Philadelphia. Looks in need of replacement build plates on the smokebox; the kerosene headlamp atop the smokebox is a typical early-1900's model. 1'D1'-h4 Burnham & Co. 12-20 ¼ E SerNo 21788, delivered April 1903 to the Denver & Rio Grande from Philadelphia, was a superheat from the outset, albeit differently plumbed downstream of the throttle valve. Originally a Vauclain compound, 21788 was converted to a simple-expansion double-action twin at the D&RGW Burnham Shops, Denver, CO, USA. 2'C-n4 Schenectady (NY, USA) Locomotive Works 4-6-0-3-42 ¹⁶₂₀ 85 SerNo 5007 was originally built for the Florence & Cripple Creek and delivered April 1899, sold to the Rio Grande Southern when the F&CC folded.
That was enjoyable seeing the "modern" steam engines in contrast to the early engines. What most people don't realize is all the traction effort is produced in an area about the size of a dime on each drive wheel, so weight is everything for traction effort. Hey maybe you know, I saw an engine that had three drive axles. The fore and aft wheels had rims while the center wheels had over laping segmented wood blocks around it. Was the wood used for better grip on the rail?
Center drivers on some engines were "blind" i.e. no flanges. Sharp curves on many shortlines and narrow gauge railroads that couldn't deal with longer wheel base 6 and 8 coupled driver sets.
@@michaelperkins5858 Yeah if you notice on these engines all of them have blind drivers! The 2 10 wheeler’s have blind center drivers and the consolidation has two blind drivers.
I think you have a model of at least one of the locomotives that was at the reunion? If so, could you do a Tuesday show on thouse locomotives? Also, hows the railroad comming along?
The Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad has a Iconic event happening. The Victorian Steam Round Up is amazing. I do hope to come back to Colorado and visit the train rides in the state. As well as the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad. The locomotives are pretty cool in operating condition at the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad.
Thank you both so much for this amazing video! The ten wheelers and consolidations are some of my favorites, particularly in their more “modern” configurations. Karen, for showing us the process of dumping ash, you deserve to be known as the narrow gauge goddess of fire!!! I’ve always wondered how this was done, but have never, ever seen any video of an ash pit before. You two are absolutely worth your weight in gold for us model railroaders!
Thanks!!!! Really love them dumping ass. OK that’s not what I said but that’s what voice recognition put in there and I guess that means I’m supposed to leave it like that. Dumping ash. Unbelievably impressive at night
Some how what I wrote didn’t post. My son has talked about us going to Durango to ride the train there. He appeases his fathers live of trains. He lives in the Northern part of Colorado.
The video of the Mikado coming out of the eye was great! The lighting was fantastic. My son has talked about us going down to Durango which is at the other end of the state from where he lives.
I'm really glad you were able to get out and about, and the old locomotives were very kool, but I have to tell you I’m starting to miss life back at the garagemahal.
We’re not missing it! But that’s really because that’s where we are right now! Working on the logging Railroad Backdrop. Some building fronts and then we’re actually done!
Love seeing all these locomotives running. My favourite are of course the two wood burners. Could you suggest to the owners of the two locomotives that came from the Florence and Cripple Creek Railroad, that to make them originally the way they looked when new, that they should have been painted in the F&CC paint. This really would have been neet !!!!! Looking forward to the rest of the series.
We should consider ourselves lucky that they backed out of them to Rio grande from Rio grande western. But I agree that it should be fun to see them painted that way
The video that you took of the Mikado coming out of the wye was great! Such contrast with the engine and the background. You have so much talent. The Colorado Railroad Museum is one of my favorite places to go. To much to take in and mentally process. It is a big kids model train lay out. We going to see an update on the progress on your garden and garage railroad?
I paste it almost daily, paste it? No post it! To Facebook almost every day. Sometimes to my personal page and I try to remember to post it to toy man television as well.
Ah! Dirt burners!!! Lol great bit of filming there cleaning off the grates. Something not many people see that part of the routine of running these engines. The 20's sister engine ended up in California in the Southern Pacific narrow gauge. Fantastic to see all those engines running actually on a railroad. Rather than the confines of a railroad museum. My son is now getting an education on coal fired locomotives with his 7/8" scale forney he just bought
That final photo of you both provided the evidence I needed to confirm that you made it into someone else's video, can't remember who. due to the yellow shirts. This gathering of locomotives should be done more often. I can't wait for the next installment. ;-)
It was for about 10 seconds, and mostly from behind. However, I could just hear you saying something to someone while checking out the two early steamers. Having watched your channel for several years, I recognize your voice .@@ToyManTelevision
Some great footage from the event(s)! So glad it was all enjoyable for event passengers (I was crew for some parts, and we certainly had fun!), and it's always encouraging to hear positive feedback for what we do. One thing I should note however is that the telling of how #20 came to be at CRRM isn't accurate. I think the confusion came from the recording of Bob Richardson you mentioned talking about shipping a locomotive over the RGS, which was the story of moving #346 to the museum before the RGS had actually gone under; not #20. #20's story is a little less odd than the one you told, but interesting nonetheless. If anyone is curious, the video linked below (published by the Colorado Railroad Museum) is a great resource, and talks extensively about #20's story (including how she eventually came to the museum). Thanks, and happy railroading! ua-cam.com/video/Rj9aaqfVdX8/v-deo.html
Hum.. I’ll watch. Bob said RGS made him tow his equipment including 346 using one of their locomotives. Which ended up being 20. 346 ran but they insisted he use 20. He said he just sort of ended up with 20.
@@ToyManTelevision That sounds accurate, except that 20 didn't stay at the museum/motel after moving 346. She moved the equipment to Durango, where the Rio Grande proper took it over, and returned to work on the RGS. When the railroad finally went under, the Rocky Mountain Railroad club bought it at auction from the RGS and sent it to the museum/motel because they didn't have anywhere else to put it... That's probably what Bob meant by "winding up with it"... The museum didn't gain ownership of the engine until 2006 when the restoration kicked off.
About how you said 4-6-0 ten-wheelers are your favorite steam locomotives, here's a link to this year's railfans weekend at the Huckleberry Railroad back in August along with the Huckleberry Railroad's 4-6-0 #152, m.ua-cam.com/video/w_kUXwtd-lE/v-deo.html, also the Steam Railroading Institute in Owasso, Michigan is restoring another 4-6-0, Chicago and Northwestern #175 to operating condition
Where do most people stay in Chama? I've been there, but struggled to find housing and food...the best restaurant when I was there was the brand new Subway. so I must have overlooked something(s)
It sat in Antlers park along Sierra Madre. It was right across the street from the old D&RG Depot. It's original display location was was along Cascade Ave. Not sure when it was moved, but it was many decades ago. I took a picture of it across from the depot in 1971. I was 11 years old.
I would call those engines "Kings of the Mountain Railroads". The setting was gorgeous as was your use of natural light. Thanks for traveling for us.
Thanks
One thing I thought was interesting is that the RGS 20 has been that number since it's first numbering on the Florence and Cripple Creek, unlike the 315 (425). The 20 is a class T-19 which means it's a bit more powerful than the 168, a T-12 class locomotive.
Loved this series and sorry I didn't run into you folks when I was there
We were there the whole time. But all over da place. Tuesday we cover our Sunday church service on the first Sunday. Really.
Never boring always unique!
Once again, another great show. I was wondering if you guys were going to cover the Victorian Iron Horse Roundup, and you didn't disappoint. I can't wait to see the rest of the series. Will you guys be doing a show on the Trains Magazine 81 for 81 photo charter that's taking place in Ely next month?
Not sure. Off to Ely in a few days. Know better after that.
Well Dale, my 1st comment was quick outta the holster, This whole series is the best Locomotive show I've seen
Well thanks!!!!
Wait, so there were 5 steam engines that were part of the Gathering of Victorian Steam Engines, but there were also three others here that were operating as part of the regular railroad! WOW! So you got to see 8 steam engines running all at once! That had to be awesome! Again, thanks so much for these videos!
And wow, we're not even done yet! Awesome!
Actually I think 10? Several in Chama…
What a great weekend .you guys have all the fun . thank you.looking forward to seeing your layout at home . have a great week
Thanks. We are back on the layout but soon back on the road too.
I wish I could make it out there for that love those old steam engines
It was amazing
Amazing and beautiful - machinery from the 19th century still
functional and useful! It speaks to the love, care and
attention given to these engines.
Yup. Really great machines.
Definitely in 7th Heaven with all these locomotives. I can remember #168 setting in the park across from the old Denver and Rio Grande depot in Colorado Springs when I was a kid growing up. #20 I believe that it started out on the Florence and Cripple Creek narrow guage railroad before being sold to theD&RG railroad. It is really good to see them both back in working condition and doing what they were meant to be doing. Thanks for sharing and see you Tuesday.👍🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
It was really great when Robert Richardson explained to me how we ended up with number 20. He bought all that other equipment and just sort of ended up with number 20. I have that video and I should just post it.
That was great! Looking forward to next week.🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Thanks!!
nice show..love the narow guage steam trains..Nothing like them in the world
Love that RGS 20!!
BEAUTIFUL VIDEO 168 FLEXING ITS STRENGTH SPINNING ITS WHEELS JUST BEAUTIFUL HAVE A GOOD DAY STAY SAFE THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH YOUR SUBSCRIBERS I APPRECIATE IT AND YOU BOTH THANKS AGAIN JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA 👍👋
They're all gorgeous, but the two earlier steam locos are more so because of their victorian appearance. But, I think the modern ones are awesome, too. I hope they can keep 'em running 'cause I'm aware these beauties are coal-burners and there's a shortage of coal. Like you guys, I enjoyed seeing 'em worked on. As I've said in your previous episode, I envy the people who restore, maintain and operate these steam engines. I can't wait for your next show from New Mexico. I enjoy your shows! 👍😉
First we go to church. Well we welt on Sunday but we’ll show you on Tuesday. Sadly no train. Just church. Well I guess one train..
Additional note: We may go to Cumbres and Toltec instead
Both great. But Chama is amazing. Down side… best restaurant in town is the Subway.
@@ToyManTelevision That sinks when that is the case. Good to know in advance.
R G S 20 was owned by the Rocky Mountain railroad club.. I helped to put the pilot on it
Steam is the best. Very cool video👍👍👍👍👍!
Fun times
+ToyMan *First up is 2'C-n4 Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co. 10-22 D SerNo 6670, originally delivered 1883 to the Denver & Rio Grande from the Baldwin Locomotive Works, Philadelphia, PA, USA.* Baldwin built 3'-0" gauge ten-wheelers as extended eight-wheelers to keep reasonable firebox grate area and airflow in the boiler. Box headlamp consistent with as-delivered is atop the extended smokebox, and the 1880's builds had streamlined sandboxes and steam domes that would be scaled up and down for early-20th-Century models, superheats and otherwise.
1'D-n4 Burnham, Williams & Co. 10-26 E SerNo 14352 was originally built for the Florence & Cripple Creek, delivered 1895 from Philadelphia. Looks in need of replacement build plates on the smokebox; the kerosene headlamp atop the smokebox is a typical early-1900's model.
1'D1'-h4 Burnham & Co. 12-20 ¼ E SerNo 21788, delivered April 1903 to the Denver & Rio Grande from Philadelphia, was a superheat from the outset, albeit differently plumbed downstream of the throttle valve. Originally a Vauclain compound, 21788 was converted to a simple-expansion double-action twin at the D&RGW Burnham Shops, Denver, CO, USA.
2'C-n4 Schenectady (NY, USA) Locomotive Works 4-6-0-3-42 ¹⁶₂₀ 85 SerNo 5007 was originally built for the Florence & Cripple Creek and delivered April 1899, sold to the Rio Grande Southern when the F&CC folded.
Thanks as always. Great information. Loved to see the convincing backdating.
That was enjoyable seeing the "modern" steam engines in contrast to the early engines.
What most people don't realize is all the traction effort is produced in an area about the size of a dime on each drive wheel, so weight is everything for traction effort.
Hey maybe you know, I saw an engine that had three drive axles. The fore and aft wheels had rims while the center wheels had over laping segmented wood blocks around it. Was the wood used for better grip on the rail?
Center drivers on some engines were "blind" i.e. no flanges. Sharp curves on many shortlines and narrow gauge railroads that couldn't deal with longer wheel base 6 and 8 coupled driver sets.
@@michaelperkins5858 Yeah if you notice on these engines all of them have blind drivers! The 2 10 wheeler’s have blind center drivers and the consolidation has two blind drivers.
Thanks for a fast rey! Keep us all up to date on your adventures. I think Sierra #3 has blind center drivers too.
reply...oops
@@ToyManTelevision That is cool to know. I thought it was just done on model trains, like the two G scale Bachmann 4-6-0s I have.
I enjoyed watching thanks 🙏
Great video. Love those old Locomotives.
Beautiful videos in this series! Thanks!
Thanks !! Tuesday we go to church. Really
I think you have a model of at least one of the locomotives that was at the reunion? If so, could you do a Tuesday show on thouse locomotives? Also, hows the railroad comming along?
Yup. It’s the plan..
@@ToyManTelevision Great!!!
Good morning and happy Sunday hello from Detroit Michigan let's get to the show
Nicely done, Sir, nicely done!
Thanks
The Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad has a Iconic event happening. The Victorian Steam Round Up is amazing. I do hope to come back to Colorado and visit the train rides in the state. As well as the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad. The locomotives are pretty cool in operating condition at the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad.
Me too
They always do an event this time of year. Except for last year of course. Who knows what they’ll do next year?
@@ToyManTelevision yeah. Probably should know what to happen in the future.
These episodes have been awesome!
Thank you both so much for this amazing video! The ten wheelers and consolidations are some of my favorites, particularly in their more “modern” configurations. Karen, for showing us the process of dumping ash, you deserve to be known as the narrow gauge goddess of fire!!! I’ve always wondered how this was done, but have never, ever seen any video of an ash pit before. You two are absolutely worth your weight in gold for us model railroaders!
Thanks!!!! Really love them dumping ass. OK that’s not what I said but that’s what voice recognition put in there and I guess that means I’m supposed to leave it like that. Dumping ash. Unbelievably impressive at night
Awesome video!
Thanks
Some how what I wrote didn’t post. My son has talked about us going to Durango to ride the train there. He appeases his fathers live of trains. He lives in the Northern part of Colorado.
We stopped by Durango on our way home. Always fun.
Thank you so much. I love you guys. These are wonderful videos. The history you supply for each engine is fantastic. Please keep them coming.
Thanks
The video of the Mikado coming out of the eye was great! The lighting was fantastic. My son has talked about us going down to Durango which is at the other end of the state from where he lives.
Thanks!!!!!
I'm really glad you were able to get out and about, and the old locomotives were very kool, but I have to tell you I’m starting to miss life back at the garagemahal.
We’re not missing it! But that’s really because that’s where we are right now! Working on the logging Railroad Backdrop. Some building fronts and then we’re actually done!
Love seeing all these locomotives running. My favourite are of course the two wood burners. Could you suggest to the owners of the two locomotives that came from the Florence and Cripple Creek Railroad, that to make them originally the way they looked when new, that they should have been painted in the F&CC paint. This really would have been neet !!!!! Looking forward to the rest of the series.
We should consider ourselves lucky that they backed out of them to Rio grande from Rio grande western. But I agree that it should be fun to see them painted that way
The video that you took of the Mikado coming out of the wye was great! Such contrast with the engine and the background. You have so much talent. The Colorado Railroad Museum is one of my favorite places to go. To much to take in and mentally process. It is a big kids model train lay out. We going to see an update on the progress on your garden and garage railroad?
I paste it almost daily, paste it? No post it! To Facebook almost every day. Sometimes to my personal page and I try to remember to post it to toy man television as well.
Ah! Dirt burners!!! Lol great bit of filming there cleaning off the grates. Something not many people see that part of the routine of running these engines.
The 20's sister engine ended up in California in the Southern Pacific narrow gauge. Fantastic to see all those engines running actually on a railroad. Rather than the confines of a railroad museum.
My son is now getting an education on coal fired locomotives with his 7/8" scale forney he just bought
Cool!!
That final photo of you both provided the evidence I needed to confirm that you made it into someone else's video, can't remember who. due to the yellow shirts. This gathering of locomotives should be done more often. I can't wait for the next installment. ;-)
I wonder who?
It was for about 10 seconds, and mostly from behind. However, I could just hear you saying something to someone while checking out the two early steamers. Having watched your channel for several years, I recognize your voice .@@ToyManTelevision
Thx again
This is epic!
Nevada northern 81 is running now
Yeah. It’s great that we have another NNRY steam locomotive in operation. I hope #40 would return soon.
Some great footage from the event(s)! So glad it was all enjoyable for event passengers (I was crew for some parts, and we certainly had fun!), and it's always encouraging to hear positive feedback for what we do. One thing I should note however is that the telling of how #20 came to be at CRRM isn't accurate. I think the confusion came from the recording of Bob Richardson you mentioned talking about shipping a locomotive over the RGS, which was the story of moving #346 to the museum before the RGS had actually gone under; not #20. #20's story is a little less odd than the one you told, but interesting nonetheless. If anyone is curious, the video linked below (published by the Colorado Railroad Museum) is a great resource, and talks extensively about #20's story (including how she eventually came to the museum). Thanks, and happy railroading! ua-cam.com/video/Rj9aaqfVdX8/v-deo.html
Hum.. I’ll watch. Bob said RGS made him tow his equipment including 346 using one of their locomotives. Which ended up being 20. 346 ran but they insisted he use 20. He said he just sort of ended up with 20.
@@ToyManTelevision That sounds accurate, except that 20 didn't stay at the museum/motel after moving 346. She moved the equipment to Durango, where the Rio Grande proper took it over, and returned to work on the RGS. When the railroad finally went under, the Rocky Mountain Railroad club bought it at auction from the RGS and sent it to the museum/motel because they didn't have anywhere else to put it... That's probably what Bob meant by "winding up with it"... The museum didn't gain ownership of the engine until 2006 when the restoration kicked off.
About how you said 4-6-0 ten-wheelers are your favorite steam locomotives, here's a link to this year's railfans weekend at the Huckleberry Railroad back in August along with the Huckleberry Railroad's 4-6-0 #152, m.ua-cam.com/video/w_kUXwtd-lE/v-deo.html, also the Steam Railroading Institute in Owasso, Michigan is restoring another 4-6-0, Chicago and Northwestern #175 to operating condition
Thanks fer the link.
Where do most people stay in Chama? I've been there, but struggled to find housing and food...the best restaurant when I was there was the brand new Subway. so I must have overlooked something(s)
Nope. Subway. Only “restaurant” left after Covid.
@@ToyManTelevision And where do you stay? Antonito, Alamosa?
@@jrmathis Alamosa. Nothing in Antineto. Narrow Gauge Inn is crap.
And in Chama branding iron or usually elk horn lodge.
Where's the shops in Pennsylvania? you guys should go visit them.
The Strasburg RailRoad shops.
Singing.'CUMBRES ya my lord "IN MY BAD ASK FORD :-)
Do you know what Colorado Springs park this locomotive was in? I spent 20 years there growing up and this is the first I've heard of it.
It sat in Antlers park along Sierra Madre. It was right across the street from the old D&RG Depot. It's original display location was was along Cascade Ave. Not sure when it was moved, but it was many decades ago. I took a picture of it across from the depot in 1971. I was 11 years old.
@@galaxieman1964 Thank you. I rode the train several times from there when young. First I've known of it.
Could grill something in that ash pit.
If so it would be the only restaurant in town. Well in Antineto there is one place. Not bad. Nothing in Chama. Well.. Subway…
Modern ???
Or....
Just Cleaner than the others ???
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Can you send info on thr train?
Google Cumbres and toltec. Amazing place!!
463 dressed as 455