Kanne beating Richter was a perfect example of what Frieren was talking about when she stated she lost 11 fights to mages and demons who had less manna than her.
I love that when Frieren praised Kanne and Lawine for beating Richter and patted their heads Kanne giggled in delight and Lawine reacted by grumbling. It was a perfect encapsulation of the three characters' personalities. I also loved Denken's fistfight for the same exact reason. What a great episode.
A major part of this arc is about how magic is based on imagination. You have to be able to imagine the spell as being capable of doing what you want it do. Otherwise it will fail. Flamme's comments about how Frieren is a mage of the peacful era and how Serie can't kill the demon king because she can't imagine that peaceful world are based on that. Just as Frieren notes she can't visualize herself defeating a mage who controls water in the rain, despite her being a much stronger mage, Serie couldn't imagine a world without the demon king and thus even if she attempted to kill the demon king it would fail.
As to the whole test thing; It's more logical in a setting that values life less. It makes sense for the time and place it's in. Our world and time are simply able to implement superior systems. To us the dead of the tests are a waste of valuable resources. To them they are functionally externalities. The goals themselves are also fundamentally different because of the different settings.
Not valuing life is itself illogical. Especially in a world that is in the late middle ages to early renaissance and has dealt with murderous hordes. Of course there will be people that think it's logical, but even for their stated purposes, you can argue that there are better ways to achieve their goals. Like we said, it's not knocking anything story wise, it doesn't hurt our enjoyment, we're not calling it lazy writing. Just saying that the test itself is flawed and wasteful. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@TheGenreVerseYes but which life? Allowing the "weak" to be culled frees "resources" for the "strong". Essentially it's a system with different logistical focus/concerns. Life is a renewable resource after all. Agriculture is a thing. Edit: We can see it in our own history. Often human life was a "cheaper" input than investing in what would be beyond obvious to us. Hell, safety standards vary wildly across contemporary Earth.
No society that treated life so carelessly on purpose has survived. Life isn't as renewable as we may think. How many places in the modern world are below replacement rate for birth rates? Like we say during this arc, it's fine for a fictional fantasy to use this trope, but it is an awful idea to have and execute in and of itself. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. We love the show, love the arc, love the characters, love the story. We think the test itself, not it's use in the story, is a bad idea at every practical and ideological level.
serie is the greatest mage in the world. though frieren is definitely good enough to break her barrier that she put up. just leaving this here because the episode was making it seem like frieren was stronger than serie when she’s not even close. serie can beat like 3 frieren’s at the same time rn.
In the manga, Flamme described Serie to be a warmonger that thrives in a chaotic world that's why she can't beat the Demon King coz she cant visualize herself living in a peaceful era. Magic is a world of visualization you cant manifest what you can't visualize.
20:59 i just LOVE how in this part everyone seems to be like "OH DANG DENKEN IS GONNA THROW HANDS"😂 this is why Denken is a fan favorite in this series. He's just built different lol. We're about to see a lot more of him in S2.
I don't think that guy really had a tippy top opinion of himself. I assume he is confident of himself because he's a first class mage but most of his ideals didn't really have to do with a high opinion of himself, more of a high opinion of what it means to be a first class mage and of Serie. He didnt really refer to himself much.
I think you might be getting the test part wrong in the anime. In my view, they're not really concerned about a war or being all noble. It's more about the prize and looking prestigious. So, it makes sense they don't care much if people die during the test. This really becomes more evident through in the episode when Flame says Serie can't see herself living in a peaceful world. It's not like they're recruiting for a war; it's more like some exclusive, elitist organization and the war aspect is secondary.
I am aware of that, still doesn't make the test logical. Elitists are illogical and still run into the same issues I am pointing out. There's no reasonable line of thought to warrant such callousness. That's the commentary. The test itself is illogical. We get the WHY in the story, I am using the military thing as an example for how you can weed out weak without the death and injury. We understand the people themselves are elitist asses but that doesn't make the test a valid thing to do.
Serie is way stronger then Frieren. Frieren did not break the barrier by brute force. She dispel it. Deciphering complex spell is basicly Frieren specialisation (this is how Frieren was able to dispel Aura control spell, despite common opinion that Seven Sages magic is ultimate)
There is one frame while frieren is dispelling the barrier that shows serie. im assuming she was passively maintaining the barrier for the past 1000 years. so frieren actually connected with her momentariely. you see her smiling .
I think the test is more of something that represents the essence of Serie, which believes that magic should be something special besides that she's a warmonger.
It would make sense for Serie to view life so callously. Human lives being so short, a potential lack of context for numbers (of mages) left and potential for procreation.
Just want to add to the comment about how wasteful the test itself is for killing mages, if you go back and watch last episode, the talk between the two test maker, the fact that this test kill people doesnt rlly sit well with the other test maker, rather she simply arent telling him what to do. Just keep that in mind when you get to the next test and what kind of test it will be. (Been holding off talking about it but i had enough lol)
You are right about weeding out the weak isn't a priority in the first exam because Kanne and Lawine passed all thanks to Frieren breaking the barrier. This episode proves that arrogance gets you nowhere if you look at the earth guy going easy and the examinator not believing that the barrier could get destroyed.
It's normal for the Examinator not believing that the barrier could get destroyed though, They aren't Frieren who live for more than thousand years🥴 While the Earth guy didn't lose bcz of His Arrogance, It bcz of Frieren
Technically about Kanne and Lawine passing and the barrier stuff IS something that shouldn't have happened. In fact it's something that affects the results of the exam later, causing Serie to personally pass or fail them all individually in the end.
Yes, weeding out the weak in a World where Imagination and Condition are the most important definitely weird and illogical bcz It isn't that They are weaker but the situation not on their side just like how the Water Mage suddenly become Unbeatable when the Barrier destroyed and let the Rain in ,when previously She barely standing😹🙈
Right Denken is a smart guy and would you think amd use the Information you got feom last Episode then you knew it is the test takers fault people can die in his test because of his Philosophie not because of the exam.
No one said people aren't responsible for their own actions, but the proctor has the authority, and moral obligation, to prevent unnecessary bloodshed. Not only does he not, he all but actively promoted it. The whole situation is bad for business... In world that is...
No way Frieren would have killed Denken, the coldest we have seen her in terms of combat has been with Demons. Denken is a human, also think about the goal here of taking this test, Frieren doesn't care about it in the slightest. No way she would kill Denken for something she isn't personally that invested into. Now could Frieren be in a situation where she would kill a human? I am sure she has been in them and did and if put in them again she would again. This just isn't that situation, instead of "you're not that guy pal, you're not that guy" it's just "you're not that important"
Everything you said pretty much sums up my thoughts during that. We also wondered how far she would take her bluff, could she cause actual pain by burning flesh with magic energy? I figured Denken wouldn't be in too much danger, but could her be? Could she do it in the "right" situation. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! -Kyle
Your also using 21 century logic on a fantasy anime doubt the people in that world could use your logic and if they could doubt they would find it useful or even try as what they are currently doing works is it the best method maybe not but if it works they most likely don’t see why they got to change it for the weak when their trying to weed out the weak in the first place “if your weak in one way or multiple ways you die” just the way that world works unless of course you got someone strong protecting you
Not really. I'm thinking of the value of talented beings. That's it. That's all. The comments aren't as deep as some are taking them. It's the test itself, not how it's used in the story. Any time/era, culture, people, religion, country, guild would be dumb to let talent go to waste. You can easily create a very difficult test without the need for death coming so easily. Use Observer/Controllers to protect testers from beasts finishing them off, require testers to only use stuns against each other. Like O/Cs and blanks in military war games. It's literally only that. The idea that wasting lives is a waste. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Denken throwing hands is hella awesome!
Kanne beating Richter was a perfect example of what Frieren was talking about when she stated she lost 11 fights to mages and demons who had less manna than her.
I love that when Frieren praised Kanne and Lawine for beating Richter and patted their heads Kanne giggled in delight and Lawine reacted by grumbling. It was a perfect encapsulation of the three characters' personalities. I also loved Denken's fistfight for the same exact reason. What a great episode.
A major part of this arc is about how magic is based on imagination. You have to be able to imagine the spell as being capable of doing what you want it do. Otherwise it will fail.
Flamme's comments about how Frieren is a mage of the peacful era and how Serie can't kill the demon king because she can't imagine that peaceful world are based on that.
Just as Frieren notes she can't visualize herself defeating a mage who controls water in the rain, despite her being a much stronger mage, Serie couldn't imagine a world without the demon king and thus even if she attempted to kill the demon king it would fail.
I love that. I really do!
Yeah, from a time of constant struggle you can't imagine the demons gone. Whereas a genocidal Frieren can imagine a world without demons ;p
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@@ChrisH43 well, Frieren can definitely live in time like that considering She only seek Magic that help Everyday life while Seire seek combat
Denken: I maybe out of mana, but i can still cast my fist
Denken casts Fistsaga! 😆
As to the whole test thing; It's more logical in a setting that values life less. It makes sense for the time and place it's in. Our world and time are simply able to implement superior systems. To us the dead of the tests are a waste of valuable resources. To them they are functionally externalities. The goals themselves are also fundamentally different because of the different settings.
Not valuing life is itself illogical. Especially in a world that is in the late middle ages to early renaissance and has dealt with murderous hordes. Of course there will be people that think it's logical, but even for their stated purposes, you can argue that there are better ways to achieve their goals. Like we said, it's not knocking anything story wise, it doesn't hurt our enjoyment, we're not calling it lazy writing. Just saying that the test itself is flawed and wasteful. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@TheGenreVerseYes but which life? Allowing the "weak" to be culled frees "resources" for the "strong". Essentially it's a system with different logistical focus/concerns. Life is a renewable resource after all. Agriculture is a thing.
Edit: We can see it in our own history. Often human life was a "cheaper" input than investing in what would be beyond obvious to us. Hell, safety standards vary wildly across contemporary Earth.
No society that treated life so carelessly on purpose has survived. Life isn't as renewable as we may think. How many places in the modern world are below replacement rate for birth rates?
Like we say during this arc, it's fine for a fictional fantasy to use this trope, but it is an awful idea to have and execute in and of itself. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. We love the show, love the arc, love the characters, love the story. We think the test itself, not it's use in the story, is a bad idea at every practical and ideological level.
serie is the greatest mage in the world. though frieren is definitely good enough to break her barrier that she put up. just leaving this here because the episode was making it seem like frieren was stronger than serie when she’s not even close. serie can beat like 3 frieren’s at the same time rn.
Stark was like a husband whose wife was away for a business trip for few days 😂
lol
In the manga, Flamme described Serie to be a warmonger that thrives in a chaotic world that's why she can't beat the Demon King coz she cant visualize herself living in a peaceful era. Magic is a world of visualization you cant manifest what you can't visualize.
20:59 i just LOVE how in this part everyone seems to be like "OH DANG DENKEN IS GONNA THROW HANDS"😂 this is why Denken is a fan favorite in this series. He's just built different lol. We're about to see a lot more of him in S2.
denken in s2 is finna be one of the best character in the series bro i love denken
Who else is a fan favorite character
@@bubbletea7029 himmel is the top fan fav iirc
@@whitefata12 fr? Even beating the main character like Frieren?
Nice to know that, i don’t read the manga but Denken is already my fav character with Stark
I don't think that guy really had a tippy top opinion of himself. I assume he is confident of himself because he's a first class mage but most of his ideals didn't really have to do with a high opinion of himself, more of a high opinion of what it means to be a first class mage and of Serie. He didnt really refer to himself much.
Elitism isn't always about yourself, but just as you said, belief in the elite.
I think you might be getting the test part wrong in the anime. In my view, they're not really concerned about a war or being all noble. It's more about the prize and looking prestigious. So, it makes sense they don't care much if people die during the test. This really becomes more evident through in the episode when Flame says Serie can't see herself living in a peaceful world. It's not like they're recruiting for a war; it's more like some exclusive, elitist organization and the war aspect is secondary.
I am aware of that, still doesn't make the test logical. Elitists are illogical and still run into the same issues I am pointing out. There's no reasonable line of thought to warrant such callousness. That's the commentary. The test itself is illogical. We get the WHY in the story, I am using the military thing as an example for how you can weed out weak without the death and injury. We understand the people themselves are elitist asses but that doesn't make the test a valid thing to do.
Serie is way stronger then Frieren.
Frieren did not break the barrier by brute force. She dispel it. Deciphering complex spell is basicly Frieren specialisation (this is how Frieren was able to dispel Aura control spell, despite common opinion that Seven Sages magic is ultimate)
She was also the mage that contributed most of the deciphering of Zoltraak and even modified to turn it into a Demon killing spell.
There is one frame while frieren is dispelling the barrier that shows serie. im assuming she was passively maintaining the barrier for the past 1000 years. so frieren actually connected with her momentariely. you see her smiling .
@@jebes909090 Emm... Barrier was put in that place a week ago
I love Flamme's power move of getting up when disagreeing with her master.
i love your commentary, intelligent and well thought out
Thanks!
I think the test is more of something that represents the essence of Serie, which believes that magic should be something special besides that she's a warmonger.
It would make sense for Serie to view life so callously. Human lives being so short, a potential lack of context for numbers (of mages) left and potential for procreation.
新endは悲しいがフリーレン世界の事実ではある。
Time is relentless. Ever moving forward.
Stark: "Finally I get some screentime". 😑
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That basically gonna be the repeating gag this arc 😂
Just want to add to the comment about how wasteful the test itself is for killing mages, if you go back and watch last episode, the talk between the two test maker, the fact that this test kill people doesnt rlly sit well with the other test maker, rather she simply arent telling him what to do. Just keep that in mind when you get to the next test and what kind of test it will be. (Been holding off talking about it but i had enough lol)
You can see there are several characters that don't like it. I like that 😆.
@@TheGenreVerseYeah, the test is criticised in show itself.
I’ve said once and I’ll say it again …….SHES HER!!!
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You are right about weeding out the weak isn't a priority in the first exam because Kanne and Lawine passed all thanks to Frieren breaking the barrier. This episode proves that arrogance gets you nowhere if you look at the earth guy going easy and the examinator not believing that the barrier could get destroyed.
It's normal for the Examinator not believing that the barrier could get destroyed though, They aren't Frieren who live for more than thousand years🥴 While the Earth guy didn't lose bcz of His Arrogance, It bcz of Frieren
Technically about Kanne and Lawine passing and the barrier stuff IS something that shouldn't have happened. In fact it's something that affects the results of the exam later, causing Serie to personally pass or fail them all individually in the end.
@@zir456 He was playing with them and waited for Denken's battle to finish. He didn't see them as a threat and that cost him.
DENKEN IS THAT GUY
10:30 Blood Bending
That's what I was thinking lol.
Yes, weeding out the weak in a World where Imagination and Condition are the most important definitely weird and illogical bcz It isn't that They are weaker but the situation not on their side just like how the Water Mage suddenly become Unbeatable when the Barrier destroyed and let the Rain in ,when previously She barely standing😹🙈
Right Denken is a smart guy and would you think amd use the Information you got feom last Episode then you knew it is the test takers fault people can die in his test because of his Philosophie not because of the exam.
No one said people aren't responsible for their own actions, but the proctor has the authority, and moral obligation, to prevent unnecessary bloodshed. Not only does he not, he all but actively promoted it. The whole situation is bad for business... In world that is...
She said: Nah they'd win
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No way Frieren would have killed Denken, the coldest we have seen her in terms of combat has been with Demons. Denken is a human, also think about the goal here of taking this test, Frieren doesn't care about it in the slightest. No way she would kill Denken for something she isn't personally that invested into. Now could Frieren be in a situation where she would kill a human? I am sure she has been in them and did and if put in them again she would again. This just isn't that situation, instead of "you're not that guy pal, you're not that guy" it's just "you're not that important"
Everything you said pretty much sums up my thoughts during that. We also wondered how far she would take her bluff, could she cause actual pain by burning flesh with magic energy? I figured Denken wouldn't be in too much danger, but could her be? Could she do it in the "right" situation. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! -Kyle
Your also using 21 century logic on a fantasy anime doubt the people in that world could use your logic and if they could doubt they would find it useful or even try as what they are currently doing works is it the best method maybe not but if it works they most likely don’t see why they got to change it for the weak when their trying to weed out the weak in the first place “if your weak in one way or multiple ways you die” just the way that world works unless of course you got someone strong protecting you
Not really. I'm thinking of the value of talented beings. That's it. That's all. The comments aren't as deep as some are taking them. It's the test itself, not how it's used in the story.
Any time/era, culture, people, religion, country, guild would be dumb to let talent go to waste. You can easily create a very difficult test without the need for death coming so easily. Use Observer/Controllers to protect testers from beasts finishing them off, require testers to only use stuns against each other. Like O/Cs and blanks in military war games.
It's literally only that. The idea that wasting lives is a waste. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
i cast fist