For all consoles, Burned games don't do anything to the laser. It's that Burned Games won't be optimized like real discs, so the laser will have to move more to get the data than a real game, wearing it out faster. If you burn at high speed your laser will also have to read sectors of the disc multiple times to get the data because of errors, so always burn at a slow speed.
I *highly* recommend if you want to play burned games, make sure they are done right and in the mil-cd format and not just burned but actually done correctly. Otherwise, your dreamcast is gonna make all sorts of noise jumping all over the place reading and sending your console to an early death. It takes a while, but it will happen.
It's a bit of a myth that burning games can damage the dreamcast's laser. The death of people's dreamcast is usually down to the system being old more than anything else.
Incorrect, it has to do with which model laser you have in it, there are three, one made by yamaha in japan and two made by samsung in china. Guess which one works best?
@@cranberryegg1236 yep and you dont even have to open the system to be relatively sure. pop open the disc tray and observe the black plastic laser head that surrounds the lense. if its a bit rounded like a half circle you're in luck, its a yamaha. if its box shaped then its a samsung laser.
Its a mith, I have a sports edition in my collection since 2000, its reading copies since then with no issues. I create the back ups at the slowest speed posible. Pd Sorry for my English is not my native language.
My issue is I have a model 0 Dreamcast. It won’t play Josh prod burned games. But I got half life for it on ebay and obviously that was burned and that works fine. It also reads the cheats n codes volume 1 disc which is also a burned disc. Wtf is going on with this thing?
I miss sega so much. I just ordered a bunch of Saturn Repros. I prefer to buy real but I can't justify spending more than 50 bucks for a game that was never more than 50 bucks. If Sega would re release these in original packaging and charged what they did in the day they could sell millions of copies and put Repro sellers and price gouge a holes out of business.
Personally in a matter of maybe what ... 3-4 years max, i had 3 dreamcast burned off. Like litterally extinguishing. They would make a weird noise and suddenly no power anymore at all. At least 2 of them, think the other one its just the lense that didn't read anymore. I was playing day and night especially PSO but also i was using my DC for web browsing, and often it would freeze as i was going on the forums, the more the forums was huge with many messages, the fastest it would freeze. I think this is what fried my DC, combine with huge ammount of time playing. I also used the code breaker for PSO creating weapons etc, and i played some burned games at times (but not often) I don't think burned games where the biggest problem but the web browser... But yeah for having 3 dreamcast died in such a short span (only the xbox 360 beat this lol) i think it had to do with this. My last DC i decided to not go online with it (i had a PC at that point) and i avoided any burned games and it worked fine for a long while, up until i sold it a couple years ago. But you could argue i didn't played it as much by that time ...
+Destro WOD thanks for watching and sharing your experience. I haven't personally had one die on me but I have owned two, and it was the first one I played a lot of burned games on. I sold it in like 2004 and was given the one I currently have by a friend a few years later, who did not play any burned games on it. For all I know I'm the only one who has used burned games on it but I would sooner assume more DCs out there have had burned games in them before by this point in time.
And what I don’t understand is if the Dreamcast was built with the ability to play this type of disc why would it be bad for it? Is it also bad to put this same type of disc in with music on it? And if not then why? What’s the difference?
Here's my anecdotal $0.02, I started playing a bunch of burned games on my DC recently (burned at slow speed) and the laser/GDROM was definitely working harder/louder than in the first half of this video, after about two weeks my GDROM took a shit. Now I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do next, IDE mod, GDEMU, ???
the burned discs dont matter sega just didnt have the security codes like other consoles ive had mine for 3 years and it works fine so dont believe all the bullshit
rupert281 dude Sega used an extinct proprietary format called GD ROM. it's not as simple as them not having security codes haha. You can't just put a DC game in your PC and rip it. The rips you see on the internet were taken using an actual Dreamcast hooked up to a PC using special software, the broadband adapter and then creating a file from that data to use on a CD ROM. The Dreamcast flaw was that it was also compatible with a rarely used type of format called "mil-cd" which was mostly used in Japan for audio CDs with added content like karaoke. That format had no special protection, so that was the exploit that was used by the community to copy games. In the beginning Sega had something they thought was better than "security codes" a format no one else could use! Until someone found a way to crack it a few years later lol!! Cool story actually. Thanks for watching too
@Jedi Lennon ! - That's what he means by security codes. With the new consoles the HDD and Firmware had to be unlocked using keys. It took years to get those keys for certain consoles like the 360/PS3. For instance the Xbox 1 hasn't been exploited yet to play burned/backups.
+Dueling Fatties yeah I know what he was saying but I don't think he understood that it was impossible to rip the games or create a GD ROM disc even if someone wanted to (Still no way to make a proper GD ROM disc today!). It's not true that there were "no security codes" because it was an entirely secure format that needed to be hacked and decoded at multiple steps. As for his dismissal of the question at hand because he had a DC for three years and it still works? Well that's something a person can take or leave as easily as my video lol. The idea is the system is behaving differently when it reads a burned disc in .cdi format than when it reads a real GD ROM. The data is being accessed differently and the laser even sounds different which I personally believe (although this video was not exactly scientific) supports the idea that there is extra wear and tear happening. Anyways of course take or leave my thoughts as well but thanks for checking the video out!
I have a reproduction of Power Stone 2 that I bought on ebay, and the odd thing is, that sometimes when the console reads the disk, it sounds like the laser is scrolling back and forth waaaay more/faster than normal, and then other times it sounds like it's not working any harder than it does when I play an original copy of a game. So is there something wrong with my DC, or is it the disk? And if it's the disk, why does it only overwork the laser sometimes and not others?
My burned games are quieter than my official games unless mine is mil CD idk I got them off etsy mgs 1 bleem but it has the boot disc with the games as well I also have x men beats of rage as well as dream explorer
I have a burned copy of the WebCD disc... My laser does sound like it was jumping around, but seemed to not after a while, and would only move and read discs when needed
+UNKNOWNGAM3r well its a mil-cd format from what I understand. Basically a CD formatting that allows for additional data, so the difference is there is basically just game data alongside the audio. I haven't tried to use an audio cd to burn a game but these rip files you find on the internet are either GD ROM which is the original correct Dreamcast proprietary format (mostly used for side loading from SD card since it's not really possible to make a disc from them) or mil-cd which burns like a regular audio or DVD file that's why we are able to use PC hardware to do it.
Audio CD are more expensive and are suppose to be of better quality and last longer. On the other hand, most of my CD-R and CD-RW, which I have had for +10 y are fine while my DVD-R are unreadable in 1 y. //I say most but I think it is in fact, all my CD-R and CD-RW are just fine.
Listening to it won't really help you determine if your Laser is being worked any harder :) haha. The only real way to tell what the laser is doing is to hook up a oscilloscope to it and look at the levels as it reads a Pressed Disc compared to a Burned One.
+Dave's Game Room wow I thought it was all about the motor for the laser moving more often or drastically, which seems pretty easy to detect without any special equipment. I'm definitely no laser expert but I'm interested to know those results and if some games do more harm than others. Thanks for watching!
Check out UA-camr GadgetUK164. He has done videos about the PlayStation, Saturn and GameCube and shows you on his oscilloscope what is happening when reading a Original Pressed Disc vs a Burned Disc. It is not so much mechanical wear that is the problem but more the additional voltage needed by the laser to read the Burned Disc (that's the theory anyway). Its lasers burning out which is the issue rather than a Motor issue. GD Rom's are NOTORIOUS to fail because of the laser itself.
+Dave's Game Room you say GD ROM are known for failing, so you are saying the Dreamcast has an overall higher failure rate than other consoles which use DVD ROM or CD ROM?
beside lens mostly your spindle motor and seek motor will die first .Sega use motor parts which quality not good enough with DC 12X drive speed.source in japanese niga2.sytes.net/game/dcsou.html
I was gonna buy sonic adventure 2 but I dont wanna dish out the money a offical dreamcast copy goes for but I also want to make sure I don't kill my dreamcast with burnt games that are not made correctly so my question is where can I buy burnt dreamcast games that won't send my dreamcast to a early grave
@@Motscoud most sega games have raised in price a ton in the past few years, especially US copies. But if you were wondering, I recently found and purchased a copy for around 30$ on ebay, so they may not be as expensive if you know where to look
+MIDO2802 I haven't tried the SD method although it's something I have considered (since all the damn lasers will die one day anyway haha!) got no recommendation there unfortunately!
Redream emulator on my pc in 4k honestly the emulator is unbelievable. Only thing it wont play at the moment is them stupid windows games. It's also fantastic on the nvidia shield TV box in 1080p
+whyz yttf depends on what type of disc. Some of them wear out quicker than others but the funny part is, many burned discs from the 90s still work but maybe the one you buy today at Target will only work for a year or so lol don't make em like they used to!
From experience, Verbatim Photo CD-R are the most reliable but that's only one part. The other is the image you burn, newer images are optimized for less wear and tear on the laser.
Can't help with dreamcast, but i burned off my entire saturn collection using the Spin X silver top/black bottom cdr's i got from ebay, they work great. Burned low speed, no issues with turgo grafx cd, sega cd, 3do, saturn, or ps1 so far
+John Smith I have a friend who's DC will play some burned games sometimes, but not others. I think maybe his system is just really worn out....maybe you are experiencing a similar issue? Or have you confirmed with another system that the disc was burned successfully?
John Smith Mine is the June 2000 I haven't tired yet but my girlfriend just did last week after she got a new power cord for her Dreamcast after it got chewed up. It's honestly simple and safisticsted. It has to be a MIL-CD and then it has to be before October 2000 and then there's this circle that has numbers, if it says 0 or 1 your Dreamcast can play burned games if it says 2 or higher it won't. I myself want to try but first I need to find some MIL-CD honestly. But I do want to trick out my Dreamcast cause I think it be pretty awesome.
UPDATE- The Septemper 2000 model does not play burned games but i bought another one February 2000 model and it does play burned games, I've heard different stories about the burned games being bad for the consoles but others that say with a clean burn that it makes no difference, what do you think?
John Smith I'm not sure I know the CD does have to be blank though so I guess a clean one will do. Like I said I haven't tried I do have a game waiting to be burned but I don't have a MIL that I've found yet that will help. I need to ask my gf that honestly I guess you couldn't really tell. I for 1 don't burn stuff I've honestly never tried until now. I know the Dreamcast is just a unique system.
+John Smith I think it likely does make some kind of difference (how much difference is the question I think) because the Dreamcast used a proprietary format (GDROM) on the discs which cannot be burned or reproduced by anyone any more. From what I have read and heard this format made the laser behave differently than a cd format and basically find what it needs off the disc more efficiently. If this is true than it stands to reason using the mil cd compatibility exploit to read a CD format disc as a game (tricking the system) would cause more wear than if it were reading a GDROM. I am no expert on any of this but with the info I have this is the guess I have arrived at. Thanks for watching btw always nice to see discussion :)
your test can't be relevant. you play on a compilation burned CD. It's better for your lens to "push" data outside of the disk, then fill the blank to the center (or the contrary, i don't remember).
It's just one example. If you sit down with your DC for an hour or so and just try out some games both burned and GD ROM, I think you will notice it IS noisier when using burned discs. Some people say the noise isn't relevant. I'm definitely no expert but to me it seems logical that more noise coming from something mechanical could not be good and that's obviously what my whole hypothesis is based on. Of course do what you like with your DC brother thanks for watching.
It’s probably dead or dying. I had a dreamcast that could play almost all of my games (burned and legit), except for a few. But if I kept my dreamcast on and let it warm up for about 45 minutes, it could eventually play all my games.
Dj Exo send me a private message I’ll send you a few that work on mine. Make sure your DC has a small circle with either a 0 or 1 in it before you reach out. This will ensure that your machine can play them
I dont known, I buy my Dreamcast in the 2001 and play only Whit cd-r AND now burn atomiswave CDI AND play fine, never EVER my Dreamcast are failure for playing copies, the fact Is I only play copies in 22 years, the console works fine like in the 2000's, checo my 2 only videos how atomiswave work, 22 years later I still playing Whit him
Shenmue 1&2 should be fine but stay away from the VCD loader disc it will kill your CD spindle it did on my Japanese console back in 2002 lol i was watching vcds because i did not own a DVD player back then , it make s the spindle run stupidity faster than normal but games should be fine but i stay away from buried games with all my retro consoles
seganutt sure? That noise doesn't seem good Sincerely i don't know if use burn games will break the laser Some poeple said,like adam koralik, that the burn games will break the laser,and other people said that the burn games will only stressed a little the laser Do you usually use the burn games?
Personally i would not use buried games on any off my retro CD based consoles dreamcast sega CD , especially the dreamcast the system was designed too use GD rom playing buried games makes the laser work a lot harder than normal because the data comprised from 1gb too 700mb makes the laser work a lot harder than normal there are videos on youtube that can explain it a lot better but i did play a lot off buried games on my dreamcast back from 1999 too 2002 without problems so i Can't say for sure if there safe or not but personally i wouldn't use them
A model 0 or 1 can play burned discs, a model 2 cannot Check the bottom of you Dreamcast for the number (but I'm pretty sure you already know, since this comment is a year old)
Oh dear. It sounds different when loading because it thinks it's a MIL CD not a GD-ROM. Your Dreamcast was designed to play MIL CD's so it is not doing anything it isn't designed to do. It won't hurt it.
+Spac8 It's meant to read mil CD for music tracks/ videos and karaoke songs where the laser simply goes to the track you select and reads tracks in sequence in real time. That is not anything like what happens when you use that compatibility to read a game with the laser jumping all over looking for different data constantly. It's using the mil CD compatibility for something it was not meant for. That's the whole point for concern it is NOT supposed to access GAME DATA via mil CD accessing game data makes the laser behave differently that it would simply playing music or video tracks working it much harder thusly wearing it out more quickly than a mil CD video or karaoke track or GD ROM which the system was designed to do.
@@JediLennon You can play with your back ups, the DC will make the same noise for any game the mil CD is just the exploit to run the disc, after that the lens will behave exactly in the same way as it always does. Does not mater if is a back up or original copy.
This does NOT prove anything!! Please do some homework first. And the Dreamcast did not have the capacity to read burned games at HIGHER Speeds. It was only a quad speed CD-rom anyways (4X) Even though it could read GD-roms and CDI discs. There is NO SUCH thing that a BURNED disc damaging the Dreamcast. The system itself made loud noises when accessing data on ANY GAME!!!
+Sean Bolland although I never claimed that this example is absolute proof of anything, I know burned discs are louder than the GD ROM disc. Doing homework and reading posts online is what lead to posing this question, which people are divided on. Despite many peoples claims about there being no difference without any more evidence than what I have presented, there is no denying that burned games make the disc access sounds much worse. Many of my discs were burned at 16x. Explain why the disc access sound is worse using burned games would be great. If the sound is worse I assume it can't be good. But since you know more than me as you say maybe you can explain why that is. Thanks for watching
burned discs don't do anything to your dreamcast lol people u just have a shitty dreamcast if it's dying after use I've played only burned games on my dreamcast for 9 years and nothing bad happend at all
se que eres de habla hispana o conoces algo de español, los juegos extraídos de un GD-Rom pesan lo mismo 1.1GB, los juegos al extraerlos de manera pura tienen 4 archivos, uno de texto de 256kb, un archivo de audio que pesa 4MB, una pista .GDI que valida el disco como original ya que contiene su ID y Track2 que son los datos del juego que pesa el gigabyte, los juegos así vienen en formato .GDI y necesitas este conjunto completo para jugarlo en emulador, es imposible quemar un .GDI, ahora, existe otro formato llamado .CDI que pesa máximo 800mb que es una versión comprimida del juego en un solo paquete, estos formatos tienen un archivo .Selfboot para autoarranque y la peculiaridad de este formato es que tiene la misma tabla de contenido recreada eliminando las cosas que no se necesitan, como la pista de advertencia, fotos del juego para la pc, etc... como puede entrar un archivo de 800mb en un disco de 700? fácil la velocidad de escritura y la modificación del espacio de las hendiduras del CD en el mismo espacio hacen esto posible, los huecos que crea el láser los hace más pegaditos, menos separados, de hecho un .CDI que pese 1.1GB podrían en teoría entrar en un disco de 700mb
For all consoles, Burned games don't do anything to the laser. It's that Burned Games won't be optimized like real discs, so the laser will have to move more to get the data than a real game, wearing it out faster.
If you burn at high speed your laser will also have to read sectors of the disc multiple times to get the data because of errors, so always burn at a slow speed.
+MrTreesSapling thanks! I'll keep that in mind
Never knew why I burned them at slow speeds just though the games would burn clearer if I did. Thx always go 4x w speed
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@Don Avan What booter disk are you using?
Hi the modern cd burners are compatible with 1x or 4x speed?
Sorry my English is not the best.
I *highly* recommend if you want to play burned games, make sure they are done right and in the mil-cd format and not just burned but actually done correctly. Otherwise, your dreamcast is gonna make all sorts of noise jumping all over the place reading and sending your console to an early death. It takes a while, but it will happen.
Dreamcast is very durable, I haven’t had a single issue with mine and I play original & burnt games
Same
It's a bit of a myth that burning games can damage the dreamcast's laser.
The death of people's dreamcast is usually down to the system being old more than anything else.
Incorrect, it has to do with which model laser you have in it, there are three, one made by yamaha in japan and two made by samsung in china. Guess which one works best?
@@halo3odst is there a way to know what model laser you have?
@@cranberryegg1236 yep and you dont even have to open the system to be relatively sure. pop open the disc tray and observe the black plastic laser head that surrounds the lense. if its a bit rounded like a half circle you're in luck, its a yamaha. if its box shaped then its a samsung laser.
@@halo3odst thanks!
@@halo3odst so Yamaha is more durable than Samsung
Its a mith, I have a sports edition in my collection since 2000, its reading copies since then with no issues.
I create the back ups at the slowest speed posible.
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Sorry for my English is not my native language.
My dreamcast still works onto this day, playing with some few burned disks..
My issue is I have a model 0 Dreamcast. It won’t play Josh prod burned games. But I got half life for it on ebay and obviously that was burned and that works fine. It also reads the cheats n codes volume 1 disc which is also a burned disc. Wtf is going on with this thing?
I miss sega so much. I just ordered a bunch of Saturn Repros. I prefer to buy real but I can't justify spending more than 50 bucks for a game that was never more than 50 bucks. If Sega would re release these in original packaging and charged what they did in the day they could sell millions of copies and put Repro sellers and price gouge a holes out of business.
Personally in a matter of maybe what ... 3-4 years max, i had 3 dreamcast burned off. Like litterally extinguishing. They would make a weird noise and suddenly no power anymore at all. At least 2 of them, think the other one its just the lense that didn't read anymore.
I was playing day and night especially PSO but also i was using my DC for web browsing, and often it would freeze as i was going on the forums, the more the forums was huge with many messages, the fastest it would freeze. I think this is what fried my DC, combine with huge ammount of time playing.
I also used the code breaker for PSO creating weapons etc, and i played some burned games at times (but not often)
I don't think burned games where the biggest problem but the web browser... But yeah for having 3 dreamcast died in such a short span (only the xbox 360 beat this lol) i think it had to do with this. My last DC i decided to not go online with it (i had a PC at that point) and i avoided any burned games and it worked fine for a long while, up until i sold it a couple years ago. But you could argue i didn't played it as much by that time ...
+Destro WOD thanks for watching and sharing your experience. I haven't personally had one die on me but I have owned two, and it was the first one I played a lot of burned games on. I sold it in like 2004 and was given the one I currently have by a friend a few years later, who did not play any burned games on it. For all I know I'm the only one who has used burned games on it but I would sooner assume more DCs out there have had burned games in them before by this point in time.
The way you described it sounds like you overheated the console and probably fried the mobo/psu. Nothing to do with the lens
I've had my dreamcast since early 2000 and i can still play burned games so no, this doesn't kill your dreamcast laser
And what I don’t understand is if the Dreamcast was built with the ability to play this type of disc why would it be bad for it? Is it also bad to put this same type of disc in with music on it? And if not then why? What’s the difference?
Here's my anecdotal $0.02, I started playing a bunch of burned games on my DC recently (burned at slow speed) and the laser/GDROM was definitely working harder/louder than in the first half of this video, after about two weeks my GDROM took a shit. Now I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do next, IDE mod, GDEMU, ???
@Ryan Yamaha and Samsung
Had a good laugh: Just got my hands on a Dreamcast, and now I have exactly the same two consoles sitting next to my TV. A PS2 and a DC :)
Burn with alcohol 120%. I've had no lunch in 2020 with imgburn or disc juggler. Verbatim discs at 10x on alcohol 120% work the best
the burned discs dont matter sega just didnt have the security codes like other consoles ive had mine for 3 years and it works fine so dont believe all the bullshit
rupert281 dude Sega used an extinct proprietary format called GD ROM. it's not as simple as them not having security codes haha. You can't just put a DC game in your PC and rip it. The rips you see on the internet were taken using an actual Dreamcast hooked up to a PC using special software, the broadband adapter and then creating a file from that data to use on a CD ROM. The Dreamcast flaw was that it was also compatible with a rarely used type of format called "mil-cd" which was mostly used in Japan for audio CDs with added content like karaoke. That format had no special protection, so that was the exploit that was used by the community to copy games. In the beginning Sega had something they thought was better than "security codes" a format no one else could use! Until someone found a way to crack it a few years later lol!! Cool story actually. Thanks for watching too
@Jedi Lennon ! - That's what he means by security codes. With the new consoles the HDD and Firmware had to be unlocked using keys. It took years to get those keys for certain consoles like the 360/PS3. For instance the Xbox 1 hasn't been exploited yet to play burned/backups.
+Dueling Fatties yeah I know what he was saying but I don't think he understood that it was impossible to rip the games or create a GD ROM disc even if someone wanted to (Still no way to make a proper GD ROM disc today!). It's not true that there were "no security codes" because it was an entirely secure format that needed to be hacked and decoded at multiple steps. As for his dismissal of the question at hand because he had a DC for three years and it still works? Well that's something a person can take or leave as easily as my video lol. The idea is the system is behaving differently when it reads a burned disc in .cdi format than when it reads a real GD ROM. The data is being accessed differently and the laser even sounds different which I personally believe (although this video was not exactly scientific) supports the idea that there is extra wear and tear happening. Anyways of course take or leave my thoughts as well but thanks for checking the video out!
From what I've read, it's the Echelon rips that were so bad on the Dreamcast. Rips from, say, ReviveDC are fine
I have a reproduction of Power Stone 2 that I bought on ebay, and the odd thing is, that sometimes when the console reads the disk, it sounds like the laser is scrolling back and forth waaaay more/faster than normal, and then other times it sounds like it's not working any harder than it does when I play an original copy of a game. So is there something wrong with my DC, or is it the disk? And if it's the disk, why does it only overwork the laser sometimes and not others?
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Try overlaying a cd sticker on top I think the laser shines right through it sometimes I feel like that works
As long as you use quality CD-R and burn them at lowest possible speed it won't kill the disc drive.
My burned games are quieter than my official games unless mine is mil CD idk I got them off etsy mgs 1 bleem but it has the boot disc with the games as well I also have x men beats of rage as well as dream explorer
The burned disc Is also how you use homebrew and other mods like copying saves right?
The lasers unit break after a while is only because of poor manufacturers. Not form system overworked. The units were cheaply made.
I have a burned copy of the WebCD disc... My laser does sound like it was jumping around, but seemed to not after a while, and would only move and read discs when needed
I just plugged in my U.S imported dreamcast and fried it!
Totally forgot about the voltage difference....
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@Ryan........ Yep! It was literally brand new and Sealed.
@Ryan...... I bought it a few years ago from thinkgeek.com. Couldn't believe they had new ones. And I only opened it a few months ago.
@@chilly6470 so gamestop? Did you know you were getting a new one?
@@vincenegra2612...... I knew I was getting a new one.
I don't think gamestop were associated with thinkgeek.com at the time?
What's the difference between backups and audio CDs?
(Beside the data difference)
+UNKNOWNGAM3r well its a mil-cd format from what I understand. Basically a CD formatting that allows for additional data, so the difference is there is basically just game data alongside the audio. I haven't tried to use an audio cd to burn a game but these rip files you find on the internet are either GD ROM which is the original correct Dreamcast proprietary format (mostly used for side loading from SD card since it's not really possible to make a disc from them) or mil-cd which burns like a regular audio or DVD file that's why we are able to use PC hardware to do it.
UNKNOWNGAM3r j
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Audio CD are more expensive and are suppose to be of better quality and last longer.
On the other hand, most of my CD-R and CD-RW, which I have had for +10 y are fine while my DVD-R are unreadable in 1 y.
//I say most but I think it is in fact, all my CD-R and CD-RW are just fine.
Listening to it won't really help you determine if your Laser is being worked any harder :) haha. The only real way to tell what the laser is doing is to hook up a oscilloscope to it and look at the levels as it reads a Pressed Disc compared to a Burned One.
+Dave's Game Room wow I thought it was all about the motor for the laser moving more often or drastically, which seems pretty easy to detect without any special equipment. I'm definitely no laser expert but I'm interested to know those results and if some games do more harm than others. Thanks for watching!
Check out UA-camr GadgetUK164. He has done videos about the PlayStation, Saturn and GameCube and shows you on his oscilloscope what is happening when reading a Original Pressed Disc vs a Burned Disc. It is not so much mechanical wear that is the problem but more the additional voltage needed by the laser to read the Burned Disc (that's the theory anyway). Its lasers burning out which is the issue rather than a Motor issue. GD Rom's are NOTORIOUS to fail because of the laser itself.
+Dave's Game Room you say GD ROM are known for failing, so you are saying the Dreamcast has an overall higher failure rate than other consoles which use DVD ROM or CD ROM?
beside lens mostly your spindle motor and seek motor will die first .Sega use motor parts which quality not good enough with DC 12X drive speed.source in japanese niga2.sytes.net/game/dcsou.html
+gendut sibuntel thanks for the clarification I was pretty sure that made a difference.
I was gonna buy sonic adventure 2 but I dont wanna dish out the money a offical dreamcast copy goes for but I also want to make sure I don't kill my dreamcast with burnt games that are not made correctly so my question is where can I buy burnt dreamcast games that won't send my dreamcast to a early grave
Look at Etsy. They have reproduction discs
@francis6610 what is a MODE?
I hope mine doesn't kill my Dreamcast because haven't burned em yet.
It should not be a problem if you create the discs at the slowest speed posible.
I was wondering if this would damage my DC, I wanted to try out sa2 trial on my dc but a real copy of that is quite expensive
Huh, really?
I know it's bundled with PAL/US region releases of PSO V1, so long as you get a copy of that in good condition, it will come with it.
@@Motscoud most sega games have raised in price a ton in the past few years, especially US copies. But if you were wondering, I recently found and purchased a copy for around 30$ on ebay, so they may not be as expensive if you know where to look
I HAVE A 1998 Japanese system and it still works perfect in 2022
I still have yet to finish burning mine. I need help since my area won't burn em.
I have a burned copy of The House of the Dead and works perfectly fine.
Hi. Are you using a vga- hdmi convert or?? If so which one? Thx.
+rolaball100 I'm using a VGA cable. My TV has VGA input. Thanks for watching!
So launching games from a sd card would address this issue. Which sd card player do you recommend?
+MIDO2802 I haven't tried the SD method although it's something I have considered (since all the damn lasers will die one day anyway haha!) got no recommendation there unfortunately!
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Redream emulator on my pc in 4k honestly the emulator is unbelievable. Only thing it wont play at the moment is them stupid windows games. It's also fantastic on the nvidia shield TV box in 1080p
The burn discs don't last long I bought one and it'd stopped working like in 2 months
+whyz yttf depends on what type of disc. Some of them wear out quicker than others but the funny part is, many burned discs from the 90s still work but maybe the one you buy today at Target will only work for a year or so lol don't make em like they used to!
Jedi Lennon ! LoL yeah true
I got into the steal DC games craze 6 or 7 years ago and my discs still work....
Been doing that for the past few weeks, only verbatim. The discs i did years ago still work fine
I think burned discs are the same as original discs
i dont know much about the dreamcast but i think it will be fine as long as you dont over do it with compilation disk
depend of the burned speed can damage the laser
I can’t burn games cause I don’t have a computer anyone wanna sell me some for cheap
How did tou get16:9?
Hey bud which cd-r brand would you recommend for the dreamcast/saturn
+Patrick Mcintyre I have been using Sony and Memorex. Thanks for checking out the video and happy burning!
Jedi Lennon ! Thanks
From experience, Verbatim Photo CD-R are the most reliable but that's only one part. The other is the image you burn, newer images are optimized for less wear and tear on the laser.
Can't help with dreamcast, but i burned off my entire saturn collection using the Spin X silver top/black bottom cdr's i got from ebay, they work great. Burned low speed, no issues with turgo grafx cd, sega cd, 3do, saturn, or ps1 so far
I heard if u burn genesis or nes games to a CD it will play on a dreamcast is this true?
As long as it's the correct format it'll play.
Come to find out my Dreamcast does not play burned games, it is the September 2000 model have i been lied to??
+John Smith I have a friend who's DC will play some burned games sometimes, but not others. I think maybe his system is just really worn out....maybe you are experiencing a similar issue? Or have you confirmed with another system that the disc was burned successfully?
John Smith Mine is the June 2000 I haven't tired yet but my girlfriend just did last week after she got a new power cord for her Dreamcast after it got chewed up. It's honestly simple and safisticsted. It has to be a MIL-CD and then it has to be before October 2000 and then there's this circle that has numbers, if it says 0 or 1 your Dreamcast can play burned games if it says 2 or higher it won't. I myself want to try but first I need to find some MIL-CD honestly. But I do want to trick out my Dreamcast cause I think it be pretty awesome.
UPDATE- The Septemper 2000 model does not play burned games but i bought another one February 2000 model and it does play burned games, I've heard different stories about the burned games being bad for the consoles but others that say with a clean burn that it makes no difference, what do you think?
John Smith I'm not sure I know the CD does have to be blank though so I guess a clean one will do. Like I said I haven't tried I do have a game waiting to be burned but I don't have a MIL that I've found yet that will help. I need to ask my gf that honestly I guess you couldn't really tell. I for 1 don't burn stuff I've honestly never tried until now. I know the Dreamcast is just a unique system.
+John Smith I think it likely does make some kind of difference (how much difference is the question I think) because the Dreamcast used a proprietary format (GDROM) on the discs which cannot be burned or reproduced by anyone any more. From what I have read and heard this format made the laser behave differently than a cd format and basically find what it needs off the disc more efficiently. If this is true than it stands to reason using the mil cd compatibility exploit to read a CD format disc as a game (tricking the system) would cause more wear than if it were reading a GDROM. I am no expert on any of this but with the info I have this is the guess I have arrived at. Thanks for watching btw always nice to see discussion :)
Try to do the same with crazy taxi
your test can't be relevant. you play on a compilation burned CD. It's better for your lens to "push" data outside of the disk, then fill the blank to the center (or the contrary, i don't remember).
It's just one example. If you sit down with your DC for an hour or so and just try out some games both burned and GD ROM, I think you will notice it IS noisier when using burned discs. Some people say the noise isn't relevant. I'm definitely no expert but to me it seems logical that more noise coming from something mechanical could not be good and that's obviously what my whole hypothesis is based on. Of course do what you like with your DC brother thanks for watching.
SD reader is not a bad solution for most of GD backups. Try it ;)
I’ve been playing burned games for some time now but when I put in an actual game it didn’t work it stayed on the Dreamcast screen.
Is the laser dead?
It’s probably dead or dying. I had a dreamcast that could play almost all of my games (burned and legit), except for a few. But if I kept my dreamcast on and let it warm up for about 45 minutes, it could eventually play all my games.
zzzzzzand conclusion of ya experiment was?
I can’t figure out how to burn the disc is there a way any of y’all can sell me some burnt games
Dj Exo send me a private message I’ll send you a few that work on mine. Make sure your DC has a small circle with either a 0 or 1 in it before you reach out. This will ensure that your machine can play them
I dont known, I buy my Dreamcast in the 2001 and play only Whit cd-r AND now burn atomiswave CDI AND play fine, never EVER my Dreamcast are failure for playing copies, the fact Is I only play copies in 22 years, the console works fine like in the 2000's, checo my 2 only videos how atomiswave work, 22 years later I still playing Whit him
It’s friendly neighborhood spider man.
terrible comparison your using the copy'd all in 1 fighter Dreamcast disc and that is Massively compressed. will make any lazer work double time.
I agree, test should be 1:1 exact copy to be accurate.
Only Dreamcast game i will ever burn is Code Breaker beacuse i want to play imports
Why would playing burned games do anything to your dreamcast?
So if i use a shenmue backup my dreamcast's laser will die,right?
+Manu Gino basically that's the theory.
Shenmue 1&2 should be fine but stay away from the VCD loader disc it will kill your CD spindle it did on my Japanese console back in 2002 lol i was watching vcds because i did not own a DVD player back then , it make s the spindle run stupidity faster than normal but games should be fine but i stay away from buried games with all my retro consoles
seganutt sure? That noise doesn't seem good
Sincerely i don't know if use burn games will break the laser
Some poeple said,like adam koralik, that the burn games will break the laser,and other people said that the burn games will only stressed a little the laser
Do you usually use the burn games?
Personally i would not use buried games on any off my retro CD based consoles dreamcast sega CD , especially the dreamcast the system was designed too use GD rom playing buried games makes the laser work a lot harder than normal because the data comprised from 1gb too 700mb makes the laser work a lot harder than normal there are videos on youtube that can explain it a lot better but i did play a lot off buried games on my dreamcast back from 1999 too 2002 without problems so i Can't say for sure if there safe or not but personally i wouldn't use them
If the Dreamcast needed a mod to read burn disk?
No
A model 0 or 1 can play burned discs, a model 2 cannot
Check the bottom of you Dreamcast for the number (but I'm pretty sure you already know, since this comment is a year old)
Oh dear. It sounds different when loading because it thinks it's a MIL CD not a GD-ROM. Your Dreamcast was designed to play MIL CD's so it is not doing anything it isn't designed to do. It won't hurt it.
+Spac8 It's meant to read mil CD for music tracks/ videos and karaoke songs where the laser simply goes to the track you select and reads tracks in sequence in real time. That is not anything like what happens when you use that compatibility to read a game with the laser jumping all over looking for different data constantly. It's using the mil CD compatibility for something it was not meant for. That's the whole point for concern it is NOT supposed to access GAME DATA via mil CD accessing game data makes the laser behave differently that it would simply playing music or video tracks working it much harder thusly wearing it out more quickly than a mil CD video or karaoke track or GD ROM which the system was designed to do.
Jedi Lennon ! Okay, fair play, but what evidence do you have of this actually causing damage?
@@Spac8 smh
@@JediLennon You can play with your back ups, the DC will make the same noise for any game the mil CD is just the exploit to run the disc, after that the lens will behave exactly in the same way as it always does.
Does not mater if is a back up or original copy.
This does NOT prove anything!! Please do some homework first. And the Dreamcast did not have the capacity to read burned games at HIGHER Speeds. It was only a quad speed CD-rom anyways (4X) Even though it could read GD-roms and CDI discs. There is NO SUCH thing that a BURNED disc damaging the Dreamcast. The system itself made loud noises when accessing data on ANY GAME!!!
+Sean Bolland although I never claimed that this example is absolute proof of anything, I know burned discs are louder than the GD ROM disc. Doing homework and reading posts online is what lead to posing this question, which people are divided on. Despite many peoples claims about there being no difference without any more evidence than what I have presented, there is no denying that burned games make the disc access sounds much worse. Many of my discs were burned at 16x. Explain why the disc access sound is worse using burned games would be great. If the sound is worse I assume it can't be good. But since you know more than me as you say maybe you can explain why that is. Thanks for watching
burned discs don't do anything to your dreamcast lol people u just have a shitty dreamcast if it's dying after use I've played only burned games on my dreamcast for 9 years and nothing bad happend at all
Is this Dreamcast modded?
No, but samsung will.
Yes, it will damage the system eventually. That's just how shit works. The dreamcast isn't immune to it
Sega dreamcast controller was a mess, worse then the duke for Xbox
How dare you!
He is going to take you back to the past,
to play the shitty games that sucked ass.
Quack
Noooooooooooooooooooooo…………………
Sounds the same to me😉😉😉😉
I've read, that by design the DC reads a GDrom twice as fast as a CD... That would explain a lot...
Burn at 1X
How did you fit all those games in one disc
+Yuki Tomomy that comp was downloaded I didn't make it, but they are not big games all just 2d fighters so it's no surprise they fit really.
No way buddy they got several games way larger than just 2D fighters over 700MB easily.
+John Smith I haven't seen any disc hold more than 700mb. Where did you see that?
se que eres de habla hispana o conoces algo de español, los juegos extraídos de un GD-Rom pesan lo mismo 1.1GB, los juegos al extraerlos de manera pura tienen 4 archivos, uno de texto de 256kb, un archivo de audio que pesa 4MB, una pista .GDI que valida el disco como original ya que contiene su ID y Track2 que son los datos del juego que pesa el gigabyte, los juegos así vienen en formato .GDI y necesitas este conjunto completo para jugarlo en emulador, es imposible quemar un .GDI, ahora, existe otro formato llamado .CDI que pesa máximo 800mb que es una versión comprimida del juego en un solo paquete, estos formatos tienen un archivo .Selfboot para autoarranque y la peculiaridad de este formato es que tiene la misma tabla de contenido recreada eliminando las cosas que no se necesitan, como la pista de advertencia, fotos del juego para la pc, etc...
como puede entrar un archivo de 800mb en un disco de 700? fácil la velocidad de escritura y la modificación del espacio de las hendiduras del CD en el mismo espacio hacen esto posible, los huecos que crea el láser los hace más pegaditos, menos separados, de hecho un .CDI que pese 1.1GB podrían en teoría entrar en un disco de 700mb
Hahah lol do it now kill me