How Queer Christianity is Changing the Church - Brandan Robertson
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2025
- Author, pastor, theologian and speaker Brandan Robertson comes on the podcast to share why being gay and Christian is not a contradiction. We also chat about how queer people have helped change the church for the better, and the progress we've seen in the church over the last several years on LGBTQ issues and more!
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I am so HERE for this conversation. I was raised in Christian Fundamentalism. I came out as a gay man in my early 20’s. For years I disavowed Christianity. Then, one day in my 40’s I had a sudden burst of insight: I get to decide if I’m a Christian… others don’t get to decide for me! This realization brought me back to Christianity, albeit a different version than the one I grew up with. THANK YOU all for the important work you do 💙
Still a sin
@@m.f.5739 Yeah or you or anyone else could go ahead and explain why exactly anyone should see homosexuality as a sin when it doesn't seem to harm anyone and people that are allowed to be gay seem to be living happy and healthy lives.
@@m.f.5739 Well that's a great way of avoiding the question I asked, which was what reason there is for anyone to view homosexuality as a sin. A book just calling it a sin isn't good enough, because anyone could write a book calling literally anything a sin. There has to be some valid reason to see something as a sin. Unless you're saying there isn't a valid reason and it's just God's opinion, in which case I'd ask why exactly we're supposed to care about God's opinion. Do you think that God is incapable of having the wrong opinion about something?
I would be curious to know how exactly you think a gay lifestyle harms anyone in a way that we would consider to be immoral. Risk of spreading diseases like aids or HIV isn't something that most people consider to be immoral. Of course it's not good and we should do everything we can to prevent it being spread, but we typically don't condemn people just for accidentally spreading a disease. Other than that, I'm not sure what about a gay lifestyle could be seen as harmful. I've often heard christians bring up that apparently gay people are more likely to cheat on their partner, but that has nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything to do with personal choice.
Had a similar realization when I was 18 and not s believer for two years because I faced so much backlash by my family after my coming out. This is between me and God and noone can tell me otherwise.
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Thank you all so much for having this talk! I am so grateful that you are willing to share with the world! Love you ALL!
Fascinating discussion. As a past evangelical minister (Biola seminary), turned behavioral psychologist, turned skeptic, turned university professor, I found his story interesting and relatable. Having embraced my own sexuality, this reminds me of the quote “the deconstructionists aren’t the dropouts, we’re the graduates…”
-Dr. Sofie
I love this quote!
I had a divine experience (spiritual experience) as I was praying to God to forgive me for being gay.
It happened to me in 2004.
I had just gotten out of the Air Force after serving 10 years. I was in a very low place in my life because of the way a few family members treated me.
I drove from Missouri to California to visit a friend. On my way to CA, I was absolutely mesmerized by the beauty of the landscape of our country.
I started praying to God, asking for forgiveness for being gay, and thanking “God” for the beauty of the landscape. As I was praying, I started feeling something pulling inside of my eyes. I kept looking in the rear view mirror and realized that my eye color changed from a golden color to what is now a blue color!!
I knew at that very moment that God spoke to me, as I had a resounding message downloaded into my brain and heart 3 words, “all is forgiven”. With the experience, I received the impression that there’s nothing to forgive.
I knew he wanted me to “come out of the closet”, and live my life in 100% truth and honesty without wearing any masks. After that happened I started having synchronicities, such as strange interactions with birds, etc. Some years later I started noticing ghosts around me and at first I was freaked out by them, but a few years into it I became comfortable with them. Now I realize that it’s important to send love to all things around me because likeness attracts likeness and spirits are everywhere. I also catch ghosts, orbs, and fairies on my security cameras and post them to facebook, instagram and UA-cam.
I started studying NDEs (near death experiences) about 8 years ago. I’ve heard thousands now, and they all say God is real and religions are manmade. When we die we judge ourselves, no one else is judging us except ourselves.
4% of Near Death Experiencers have a hellish experience because we send ourselves to hell because we go where our frequency is. That’s why it’s important to focus on LOVE and let go of judgement.
Jesus Christ is real also, and he never said anything about homosexuality but spoke a lot about judging others. Actually his name is Yeshua, but modern society knows him as Jesus. He’s VERY real. 6-10% of NDErs see & converse with him, but the religions that were built around him were ALL manmade.
I used to fear “God” and my Southern Baptist religious upbringing, but now I realize that religion is mankind’s attempt to define God but falls short as God’s perfect love is incomprehensible to the human mind.
Much Love
Mike
@NickGagnon-u1v
That’s what was downloaded into my consciousness
My experience was very similar.
@@michaelvess6507 I don't want to be rude, I believe that you have experienced that exactly the way you're describing, but I don't think this was God speaking. It says that Satan appears as an angel of light. And how you described it seems a lot like something a demon would do: Deceive people into believing that their sin isn't as bad, so they fallow it and end up being rejected by God.
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You don’t know my place with the Lord, so don’t cast stones at me. Matter of fact, you just trampled on the precious pearls I shared with you.
People who think they have some sort of religious right to cast stones at others actually don’t who they are.
@@michaelvess6507 I just tried to warn you, but your reaction shows me that you love your sin more than the truth. Again, I'm not saying that you're lying or saying this in bad intention, I think something is playing a trick on you to lead you astray. I hope you'll repent before it's too.
Your thoughts are consistent with traditional Quaker thought. The Bible is a source for inspiration and contain’s the witness/teachings of Jesus, but one’s direct experience of God is of far more importance . All persons contain the light of God within them. Let your life speak: in other words, one’s experience of God will compel you to live with integrity and in harmony with those around you. A great conversation. Thank you!
What disturbs me is how evangelical christianity has a strangpehold on the faith in a many parts of america. Especially conservatism. Evil has realy corrupted things for centuries.
Im an episcopal trans woman and i regard the traditions to be important but i also want everyone to be included. Because Christs promised was for everyone.
Trans people are beloved of God.
No such things a a gay Christian.
This was an Awesome podcast!! He expressed eloquently how fear is not of God!!
Jesus warned us all the time to beware of the saducees and pharasees.. I feel the evangelicals and many other christian denominations are the saducees and pharasees in our time!!
Why hello there
Thanks for having Brandon 🥰. Greetings From Germany
Thanks for watching!
@@ITriedToBeStraight It was a fascinating discussion.
As an older Irish gay man and as a traditional Irish Catholic patriot, I know of many within the Irish truth and patriot movement who, regardless of intention, regard even the very orientation of being gay, even if not acted upon or talked about, as being both problematic, intrinsically disordered and gravely sinful - and will point blank refuse to engage in any way nor take us seriously, regarding us as “controlled opposition” and as “part of the problem, not part of the solution”
Loving season 2 ❤
What a saintly man! It was a pleasure hearing him speak about his work.
We need more Queer theology in Canada. Especially in the Anglican Church of Canada.
5:37 "By the grace of god, I graduated somehow"
Words to live by
All of what Brandan said was very mind blowing, but I would say that the country and culture we live in is a decisive factor also. I'm a gay mexican man, living in Mexico, raised catholic and became a devout conservative catholic on my own during my teen and young adult years, and I'm now deconstructing and accepting myself thanks to US progressive and LGBT-affirming Christianity. It just really blows my mind how Christianities (as Brandan said it) in the US are so so diverse and mind blowing. Here in Mexico, Christianity is 80% roman catholicism (which is moderate conservative) and 20% conservative protestant-evangelical churches. Progressive and LGBT-affirming Christianity in Mexico is so small and almost non-existent. The LGBT community in Mexico is mostly secular and irreligious and there´s hardly any interest at all from queer mexicans to reconcile their LGBT identities with any religion. It just really blows my mind how in the US, Christianity has become so so diverse in so many ways, unlike Christianity here in Mexico, even when our countries are neighbors.
I’m mexican-american and a lesbian and I understand where you’re coming from. I live in CDMX and I’ve been considering starting my own group of spiritually curious queer people. I don’t think I need a church but I do need to be in community with others. Hopefully living in the city there is enough diversity that I’ll find some people who are also looking for something similar.
@arielrodriguez968 I'm from Monterrey, where LGBT visibility I feel is still kind of underground. Mexico City, on the other hand, is so big, diverse, and with lots of LGBT visibility. You still have better chances of finding an LGBT-affiirming church or community (still doesn't compare to what you can find in any major US city). As far as I know, the Anglican diocese of Mexico City is very welcoming to LGBT people, they even have a group called Open, but the problem is, they still can't perform same sex marriages. The roman catholic parish of Sagrada Familia in colonia Roma is the most welcoming and accepting to LGBT people as a roman catholic church can be. Outside of that, I think there's other churches that range between catholic and evangelical that are affirming and may even perform marriages, but they are so small and hidden around the city.
+He is risen+ Your story is terrifically encouraging. Great is our LORD Jesus and His love for us. I lived in DC for 40 some years. Years attending Foundry Methodist Church late 80s and early 90s kept my foot in the faith, despite a growing dependence on alcohol and street drugs. Grew up Baptist but started attendiing the DC Dignity Mass held at St Margaret's Church near Connecticut and Florida on Sunday nights. My first real exposure to the mass and to the Eucharist. It was a hearty 350 male voices singing the mass -- plus two lesbians, at the time. I remember being taken away, beyond my Baptist-bred need to "really really believe" during the singing together of the Creed. I arrived to that mass with doubts about Christianity and left confident that the belief and faith of my brothers (and sisters) carried me into the faith, into the assembled Body of Christ at that mass. It marked a new part of my journey with Christ. I was no longer on my own, struggling to cast away my doubts and yearning to believe on my own lonesome self before Gd. This is Christian community. Later, living in France, i used to sneak into all sorts of Catholic churches -- tiny with three gathered at 7a each day or evening mass on weekdays at the Nice Cathedral. Returned to DC and joined up with the Catholics through the Jesuits at Holy Trinity, Georgetown. Our RCIA group was 50 catachumens in Sept and about 47 of us made it all the way to entry to the Roman Church at the Easter Vigil, 2000. Unfortunately, my best friends from that group are no longer Christians at all. Myself, i recently started to wonder whether i'd ever feel fully a part of the R Cath Church since fundamentally the Church hasn't figured out how to receive me wholly with my gifts. Landed on a Christian Eucharistic Community with three priests that fully blesses women's ordination into the priesthood, as well the same for Christians who are gay. It's a lively group called The Table, Indianapolis, where i now live. I have been able to avoid the need to "deconstruct" my faith. For me, i'm still a Catholic, still follow the Catholic spiritual paths, including growing closer to Mary the Theotokos, the Mother of Gd, the Christ. My challenge is to embrace my people -- my Christian sisters and brothers alive today and the millions alive since Jesus's death and resurrection, and that includes embracing the faith and practises of the Communion of Saints that has paved the way for me to be born and to be baptised into the Body of Christ, to join my people in the Christian religion that would not exist were it not for the witness and lives lived of those millions before me. I am grateful for my baptism and i could not live without the real -- not token --Body and Blood of Christ that reflects the assmbled real -- not virtual -- body of Christ at daily and weekly mass. Thank you for your perserverence and courage and openness and accessibility that i hope will gracefully show a way for others to remain Christian in this quickly secularising world. Soon Christian will be few and far between and i am grateful that it looks like i will get to eventually die clean and sober and Christian until the end of my life. Baruch hashem, deo gratias, thanks be to Gd.
In my spiritual journey, my guide was studying the philosophy of Spinoza. Obtaining an understanding of the Tenakh and Hebrew Scriptures gave me a clearer understanding of Christianity. In short, if you want to follow Jesus then go to James. Keep up the great work!
Great! I hope the king of heaven will bless you and your work spreads far
When approaching this subject, everyone seems to want to contextualize the Bible into irrelevancy with: cultural norms of the time, etc. Yet the Bible also says that God doesn't change: "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever." (Heb. 13:8) "For I am the LORD, I change not...." (Malachi 3:6) KJV. Jesus is the Word (John 1:1) so the whole Bible is His word as it is, not as we want it to be. As Isaiah 55:8-9 says: "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
in Romans 1:27, the men in question here were also bisexual as they left "...the natural use of the woman...." by choice. It has often been pointed out that homosexuality is not a choice, but what has been missing is the fact that bisexuality offers a choice. And, if homosexuality is not a choice, it is not a sin, because sin is a choice: a choice to disobey, that is acted upon, in the case of doing what you were told not to do, or not doing what you were told to do.
Rather, it is a fault; and what does the Bible say about faults? "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." (James 5:16). In the case of this fault, you're basically commanded to "come out." The stress of keeping all this bottled up inside is not healthy.
An how should such a person be treated? Galatians 6:1-2 give us the answer: "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye on another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." For, as I Corinthians 10:13 says: "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way of escape, that ye may be able to bear it." It's your cross to bear.
I Corinthians 6:9's "...effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" (KJV) is "updated" in modern versions by combining the two separate parties involved here under the term homosexual(s) or homosexuality. One problem with this is that the term "homosexuality" didn't exist until 1869 when it was coined by a guy named Karl Kertbeny in Germany, with the word heterosexuality soon following, then appearing in publications the following year (1870) by the likes of Freud. Another problem is that the parties involved were separated for a reason, but we (the translators of the new version(s) know better, so we'll combine them to "clarify" and "simplify" the meaning. Then, when anyone teaches this passage, they have to go back to the Greek to separate them again. The Jerusalem Bible translates "effeminate" as "catamite," which was a pubescent boy (which explains the use of the term "effeminate" in the King James, as very young boys and girls are fairly androgynous at an early age) who was the intimate companion of an older male, usually in a pederastic relationship; so this passage is talking about pederasty. This is not surprising as the church at Corinth was considered the most carnal church at that time in the Roman Empire.
As for using the two verses in Leviticus (18:22 & 20:13) to say that homosexuality is a sin, is like using the verse that condemns adultery (20:10,) with the same punishment, death, must make heterosexuality a sin too. Sexuality isn't the sin, it's what you do with it.
God may not change, but our understanding of truth certainly does.
As a gay atheist, i am puzzled by the whole point of this. Instead of a christian apologist, uou are a gay christian apologist. Why not say the bible is a book written by men thats been open to massive interpretation based on changing social norms and science?
Unfortunately, the case is people like to have sweet lies told to them rather than the ugly truth. The Bible is full of contradictions, scientific and historical errors, and anachronisms. Large swaths of it were forged, the majority of it anonymous. Both the old and new testaments are highly redacted and unpreserved. The Christian sects cannot even agree amongst themselves what books aught to be included in this “cannon”. Another ugly truth: clerics who have pushed this nonsense for millennia are either liars, deluded, or both. They are all leeches on the people regardless. That goes for those who like gay people and those who don’t. I care about what is true, not what will make me feel good.
Thats precisely what I do say.
Please please please interview austin hartke. And people like jennifer bird phd.
Hey Nate and Susie, I'm absolutely loving all the conversations and guests in the new season ❤
This might be a bit much, but it would be awesome if you guys could add on the description of the video all the materials you discuss, like the books, websites and more. I usually like to listen to the podcast while exercising, and english is my second language, so sometimes I don't fully get the names. Just a little suggestion, but all good if it doesn't work out. Love your work
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This is a great call out! :) We will definitely do it!! Thank you for listening ❤
❤ I submit that those who incessantly quote Paul are not Christian at all but Paulinians.
But he wrote most of the New Testament. Is it not scripture?
@@halberthints Jesus didn't write down a single word, and the words attributed to Jesus were all written by different people. Also, if the Bible is truly the word of God, and Jesus is truly God, all of it matters.
@@bryanhawkins9418 Peter said in one of his letters that Paul's letters should be considered part of the holy scripture, so the church decided to add it and form the new testament along with the gospels + Revelations. Was Peter wrong about Paul? That's a very complex debate.
@ I’m sorry but where did you get the idea that Paul’s letters were added because of what Peter said?
We wouldn’t understand the new covenant gospel in its entirety without the books of Paul. He had an actual encounter with Christ and was taken up to heaven. Both of those events gave him the wisdom and instruction to write letters that would become part of the Bible.
I cannot agree with his view. There are a few scriptures which say sex outside of marriage is immoral . Since as Christiana’s we house the Holy SPIRIT our body is a temple. So having same sex sex or sex outside of marriage is damaging to that temple and the body .
That is part of the "reconstruction" of Christianity that this guy speaks about.
True Followers understand what is happening, Not all Christians will stand at the end. When the Tares and Wheat are torn apart, you will see the Pharisees on one side, and the Followers of Christ on the other. Jesus didn't come to change the Law, He came to fulfill the Law.
Those that change the Word, are committing blasphemy. The preachers will be responsible for their words and actions, more than anyone else.
Not ALL churches are bending to the will of "Progressive theology", the TRUE Followers will not be many, they will yoke together in Christ and they the Pharisees and unbelievers will be left behind to face their punishment.
I’m queer and honestly the more I delve into the Bible the more it makes. Much less sense. I honestly don’t think you can be a Christian and affirm gay relations. But I can’t affirm Christianity as true anymore because the Bible is soooo confusing and (seemingly) obviously man made.
You just reject it because you love your sin. What's confusing about the bible to you? I've been studying it and learning the bible on my own since I was 13 the book is very clear yes some of it takes learning traditions like the feast days Jewish traditions and history to get the full context but nothing about it is confusing. "Man made" book that completely rejects man sinful nature.
I am not gay just queer. And I don’t practice any sexual behavior except the occasional going number 3. I’m extremely demisexual. I love how UA-cam commenters assume so much about someone based on one comment. It sure goes both ways man Christians are no better than atheists.
No I’ve changed my mind because of mindshift Bart Ehrman listening to countless debates for years listening to apologetics for years Justin brierly’s podcast, reflecting on WLC’s biblical view of what happened to Canaanite children and justifying it, observing the behavior of many many Christians (he is a new creation? Yeah right) talking with a close relative who has a masters in apologetics for biola.
The attitude you reflect in your comments is a huge reason so many are leaving the church.
@@lance9249it definitely doesn’t reject sinful nature. Or at least, morality. The morality of the Bible is warped and I don’t want anything to do with it anymore. It’s disgusting. Apologetic arguments cannot justify the slavery, horrible treatment of women, polygamy, mass genocide etc. I used to think that was cliche atheist arguments who didn’t dig deep enough to understand. The apologists would say stuff like god adapted to that culture, it was way better than the rest of the neighboring people, blah blah. If you want to be exposed to the stuff that changed my mind I highly recommend the Mindshift UA-cam channel. It blew my mind. After hearing countless debates between academics it’s refreshing to hear a still highly educated layperson picking apart in incredible detail the Bible.
I bet you won’t though. I sure hope I’m wrong
@@matthewashman1406 I’m now a Mindshift evangelist. ua-cam.com/video/1uQn7XQq85s/v-deo.htmlsi=O_2RDW6RpQerLyHd
@@lance9249plenty of man made books have preached to limit the indulgent human spirit, including the Bible, yet the Bible also yields to human indulgence many times. The Bible is largely anonymous and forged, scientific nonsense, anachronistic, historically in error, contradictory, unpreserved. It has the moral weight of a playboy magazine mixed with call of duty. It’s spawned the most sectarian religions in the world, showing its clear human origins. The sects cannot even agree what books belong in it.
Interesting conversation, but although I agree that the book should be open to wider interpretations, it’s clear that it does talk about setting boundaries. Example, the commandments! I agree that many church communities have fumbled the ball on LGBT issues, but I don't think it's that simple to just say, Jesus wants us to just love each other, the way we are. Of course love is very important, but without it being defined, love is just a word with no purpose. I was left wondering something else, what does he believe about Jesus? I mean, does he believe the whole God/man savior dying on the cross.part? Cause if not, what’s the purpose of believing any of it? Why not just walk away and call it something else? I also think it would of been helpful if he defined how the gay christian should live their live out, if for no other reason, but to give an answer when the question comes, maybe not to convince, but to just be able to speak with conviction, cause if you don't know yourself why your doing what your doing, can imagine where that conversation will go. He mentioned he’s coming with a book, but also said, he did not think pre marital sex was wrong. Wow! What did that mean, and how does that look? but I guess we have to wait til May. Please don’t read this the wrong way, this is a very important topic, love your discussions, but I have to say, it left me hanging.
Thanks for your comments. But pre-marital sex is not a sin in Scripture. We are called to have self-control and respect for others in how we express our sexuality. And I would say, perhaps, you have a very conservative view on what Christianity is. Christians have debated core doctrines since the beginning and come to different conclusions. Only those with power told the minority views to "just walk away". But we can't- we are committed to Jesus, even if we are not committed to "Christianity" the dominant religion.
@@revbrandanrobertson Thanks for your response. The podcast was thought provoking, this topic is very important and needs to be discussed in the wider church community. But based on what you said, it’s clear what you believe the bible does not say, so what guide lines would you use to show what is allowable? I found your channel and was hoping for a more clear explanation, so I watched a few of them, especially the debate with Micheal Brown, also James White and Jeff Durban, hoping for better understanding. Michael Brown was fair, but gave standard response based on his experience biblical training, James and Jeff were just attacking, so not sure why they even agreed to the debate. So, if the Bible does not condemn homosexual relationships, nor premarital sex, how would that be modeled in gay christian community? I mean, is there a difference in living out relationships in a non christian gay lifestyle vs a christian gay community? For example, is marriage not required at all? Are there no boundaries in sexual activities as long as it’s between consenting adults? Or, hypothetically speaking, you were speaking at a christian gay youth conference, how would you address relationship topics like the ones mentioned, knowing that sexual relationships come with a mental/emotional component. Oh! I don’t mind taking an offramp, as long as I can find my way back to the main road. Thanks
Kinda seems like God is another word for love for Brandan. Pretty much every time he used the word God, it could’ve been replaced with love and the meaning of what he was saying would’ve been pretty much the same. In that sense, I’m not sure why love isn’t sufficient to describe what he’s talking about, but hey, if he wants to call love God, that’s his prerogative. I just hope he knows that’s what he’s doing. I’m be curious to know if he views God as some kind of being similar to humans, or as more of a concept like love is.
I agree- God is love. That's a traditional Christian definition of love. I believe God is the ground of being, consciousness itself, the animating force behind all that exists.
@@revbrandanrobertson Thanks for clarifying! I hope this doesn't sound rude, but I'm curious, what exactly makes you think that there needs to be a ground of all being or consciousness? Exactly what does this supposed ground of being do to explain or aid us in the one and only life we know we're going to have? As an atheist, I feel that I'm able to live a pretty happy and healthy life without putting much thought into what the ground of all being is, if there even is such a thing. I feel that focusing on myself and people I care about is more than enough for me, and I've never felt a need for there to be something greater than any of that. So I'm curious, have you ever stopped to question why you feel you need this belief in the first place?
Hallo, you often use the word "deconstruction". What exactly do you mean by this word?
It refers to the reexamining of traditional Christian faith and rebuilding a more progressive inclusive faith.
Sweet guy. I wish all evangelicals could see this.
And what are "affirming Christians"? What do they affirm?
God's love and creativity reflected in the diversity of humanity.
@@kiewsky Sin.
So does thst count as another denomination orrr
It's consistent with many denominations- I am a pastor in the United Church of Christ.
@@theblackhole05 I would go as far as to count it as another religion. It's comparable to Mormons or Jehova's Witnesses, for example. A belief inspired by Christianity, but too far away from some of its crucial teachings.
Yeaa that's why I don't the whole religion thing no more. But very interesting. Go off kings
Clement of alexandrias writings on the gnostics specifically talk about cis hetero marriage a lot. But thats his opinion. The saints are flawd men
In all kindness, but Mr. Robertsons theology is straight up heretical. He flat-out denies scripture and completely misses the core message of the gospel. The gospel states that we should accept Jesus as our lord and saviour and repent from our sins. The second part is completely missing in his theology, which on the other hand makes the first part meaningless. If sin isn't a big deal, why should we need Jesus?
"Queer Christianity" is as oxymoronic as "adulterous Christianity" or "murderous Christianity". You either place your identity in Christ (Christianity) or in your sin (queer), but you cannot serve two masters. This twisted gospel is leading astray so many people, that's why every Christian should call it out. I hope he realizes that one time and turns away from it. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes when God shows him all the people who are in hell because of his false teachings. Repent!
Well this comment shows what end-Christianity leads to: a psychotic and a psychopath. Congrats, you are truly lost.
Who said sin isn't a big deal?
The Fulfillment of the Law
Mathew 5 -the Beatitudes
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
I read in a thread, his for mission to "reconstruct" Christianity. Why?
@@troubadour81 Because Christ's teachings call out sin, and that's what makes some people who love their sin above everything uncomfortable. Instead of letting Christ change them for the better, they try to change Christ for the worse.
"Queer Christianity" the rejection of God. Jesus said REPENT to repent is to turn from sin its not to say God you are wrong love is love no love is God doing as God does is true love. You can't love another person and do acts God despises and calls wicked he's not here for your lukewarm selection of sins you choose follow him or Satan. To love others is to rebuke their evil actions listen to the warnings of to the church of Laodicea overcome your sin do not identify as it.
Laodicea: Standing at the Door
14 To the angel of Messiah’s community in Laodicea write: “Thus says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Originator of God’s creation: [e] 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. Oh, that you were either cold or hot! 16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spew you out of My mouth. 17 For you say, ‘I am rich, I have made myself wealthy, and I need nothing.’[f] But you do not know that you are miserable and pitiable and poor and blind and naked. 18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may be rich, and white clothes so that you may dress yourself and so the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed, and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. 19 Those whom I love, I rebuke and discipline. Therefore, be zealous and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To the one who overcomes I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I myself overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Ruach is saying to Messiah’s communities.”
Amen! I hope many people read that and recognize that they're following a false gospel.
Yawn.
The Fulfillment of the Law
Mathew 5 -the Beatitudes
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Trust what God has given us? Or what we think?
If we do the first, there will be blessings here and now. It we do the latter, then there are many false roads that can harm us.
Be open to the Spirit and his voice from day to day.
In the end, the only identity that matters is 'in Christ'.
I am a gay man in Christ.
@@revbrandanrobertson Love you, brother. But be careful of getting caught in the trap of the socially constructed identities of this age. American, Chinese, Russian, gay, straight, bi, liberal, conservative, socialist, Baptist, Catholic, Black, White, etc.
They all have their historical and cultural origins, but they are temporal and will soon pass away.
That which is of the eternal age is ultimately what matters: God and people. We can have the eternal now, going under the water and dying to this age, coming up in newness of life. "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me."
For myself, an unbeliever for most of my life, all the things I thought I was and that were so important back then are mere rubbish to me now. All is Jesus the Messiah.
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Now that straight people declare themselves queer because it's hip just eff you.