You’re my go to guy, I’m 85yrs young spent 50 yrs designing and building rock crushing equipment, last summer I set up my woodland mills saw mill. I’ve learned watching your videos I’ve got pitch on every thing I own. The easy part is running the mill, getting the logs is the hard part, I have a tractor with a grapple and a logging winch it’s still a lot of work for an old man. 😊
I have an excavation company and clear a lot of land so do quite a bit of burning. Burning in the rain is the best! It keeps burning, but you don’t have to worry about out it getting out of control.
Oh it can still get out of control it just usually doesn't. I met someone who did that and burned a building down in the rain he went didn't expect that when an ember blew into a barn full of hay
True, I guess the better thing to say is I almost always burn when its raining or the morning after a long rain to let nature help me keep it under control as best as I can. Its less likely to get out of control. @@wildandliving
Don't let the armchair critics bother you, just do your thing, and keep doing a great job creating content on your channel for us like- minded Forestry nuts.
Brilliant video, love your dry humour and your practical in-depth knowledge. You talk a lot of sense based on personal experience. Not sure that can be said of all vommenters. Thank you and I for one am looking forward to the next video about transferring fire!
Problem here is, we need Cliff Clayvin.... he knows everything. It's amazing how much he know by just being a postal worker. Thanks man, and you're welcome
I use that same technique of starting a fire with dry wood and then feeding it wet... It works great when burning wet slash. It works with ice and snow covered slash too but you have to pile it so the dripping water falls to the sides of the fire as it thaws and dries or it tends to drown the fire... The formerly ice and snow covered material can be put directly over the flame once the dripping stops. Seems like Mr. Wilson knows what he is doing. 😉
As someone that has had I have no clue how many fires over the years I can say you are spot on. this is by far one of the best channels on forestry out there, Many years ago i worked with a guy just like you he could light a fire any where and any time and we had some very hot fires burning off slash from logging in almost torrential rain, but once hot they will burn a long time. most of the fires i do now are camping and hiking, year round . minus 30 to plus 30 rain or shine. you are spot on. keep the videos coming they are very good.
Whilst I absolutely love nit picking 99% of the time I keep it to myself for a very simple reason that you pointed out very nicely - I'm not there and can't be getting anywhere near the feedback that the person making the video is. Plus there is a really good chance I don't know what the heck I'm talking about. I do really enjoy your sense of humour and have started looking forward to them so please, keep on taking the mickey out of us idiots - I certainly enjoy it 😁
I'm the same way. Most of the time I feel like calling someone out on something, I've learned that if I just go back and read the post again or ask a simple question, I gain a better understanding of what's happening and save myself the trouble of looking like a self righteous idiot and aggravating the other person for no reason. Too many people are overly eager to prove their superiority in situations they don't even understand.
A brush burning veteran here; regardless of how you get there, once you have a bed of glowing embers, you’re off to the races. One of my favs is the teepee fire. All the biggest wet stuff gets teepeed and then a small fire of dry wood, cardboard, old shop rags, etc is built in the center of the teepee. Just keep feeding the inside fire until the radiant heat has dried the teepee enough to ignite it. It’s a great fire when it’s snowing… and your beer stays cold too!
No doubt I was one of those you are referring to from the last Video, though I never said anything about Radiant heat. Sorry if I ruffled Feathers, but I do want to compliment you on readdressing Burning and spending the time to cover the nuances not covered in the original. * I do several pile burns a year and yes I've burned Bottom up, Top down and targeted side ignitions(handy in a breeze to manage flair ups) I actually appreciate and get a lot of good information from your Videos and look forward to new releases. Take care and stay warm!
There were some who were questioning what I was saying in a respectable way. If I remember right you may have been one of those. Nothing wrong with that. This was mostly targeted to the know it all types and the ones who were just plain rude or obnoxious about it or just taking things completely out of context. That last part was partly my fault for possibly not being clear enough. but even with that I don’t give the rude ones a pass.
Finally someone else pointing out that radiant heat is, for the most part, evenly distributed about the heat source in all directions but convection rises. In the real world, not a theoretical world without gravity, wind, etc. They also discount conduction. Thanks for teaching us.
Tried this yesterday and it works like a charm!! I usually just pile it all up and try to burn it in one go, this requires a bit more work and attention to keep the fire fed. But after a couple hours I had reduced 3-4 yards of green slash into a pile of coals. 10/10 would recommend
Hey my friend, love the video. Some people are idiots and just like to make a lot of noise. Probably a bunch of Narcissists who know everything. Please keep up the great content. My Dad and I appreciate them.
Great video. My brush and log fires are mostly river birch harvested from creek banks. We do stream restoration work. My burn piles are the size of school buildings. If its going to take five days to burn a pile spend four days on getting it started. I use to use 100 gallons diesel fuel now we use kindling. I agree with you.
Awesome double-troll in the title--one on yourself, and the deeper one on the commenters. I was really impressed with your thorough clarification last time and found it so satisfying compared to most UA-cam presenters who tend to leave out the details that can take a "clickbait" assertion and turn it into a coherent lesson.
Too funny. I am always amazed how commentors believe they are the expert. I noticed you referenced them a few times in other videos - I was wondering how a professional in your field would react to those that obviously know more than you - and you answered with grace and humor - perfect!
Yes sir absolutely right thank you for your time. I tried the method of starting your flame at the top, this last weekend and it worked well. And after I got it going we cooked some delicious ribeyes directly on the coal. Thanks again
Your first video was clear as is this one there are just those who think they know better. Or those who just seem to live to grip and complain that others are always wrong, never mind experience teaches us how things work the White stuff is largely steam not smoke. So all I will say is until you have done it a few hundred times don't take what these silliest grumble on tp heart you done good with both fire videos.
Agree 90%+ about the conduction/convection/radiation aspects. The radiation can also heat downwards (as a general point). I suspect that one nitpick point is that within what can be classed as the 'chimney' of rising hot air, there will also be fast drying all around the wood (in addition to the radiant heat) that will accelerate the drying (most obviously those branches that are being licked by the flames). There will be minor (miniscule in context) levels of drying of the wood out to the sides as all that we have is that the incoming air has been stripped of direct water drops (i.e it's what happens in sub-basement ventilation drying), but relative to the burn time it is irrelevant (as you clearly stated).
It's a never ending battle dealing with the internet trolls in the comments section. Best to stop feeding them and over all just ignore them. I will say that you do explain things rather well. Keep up the good work.
I wouldn't ignore them in cases like this. A response video like this makes very strong, obvious points about their ignorant comments and even though they will be too stubborn and hard headed to learn anything, there will also be people watching these videos that are legitimately trying to figure this stuff out for the first time. While it feels good to put a troll in its place, these videos are ultimately better for those that are wanting to learn but won't ask questions that will get made fun of. And since the trolls always have the loudest opinions, it is better to counter their comments before someone who doesn't know better takes them to heart.
Begin sarcasm: You know, all you need to build a REAL fire is a 5 gallon jug of gasoline, and a gallon of used motor oil. That'll get you a real fire going, yer sir! :End Sarcasm You know, I do appreciate what you are showing us on tips about different types of fires and how they work. But I also think, the best fire is the one that works for you in the situation you are in. Thanks for the video sir. I get more from your on-going outdoor educational series of forestry than I do from keyboard warriors any day of the week, even on Sundays!
I find this is the most reliable method. Only drawback (compared to a top burn) could be that it might require 30 minutes or more of heavy workout to feed the fire once the dry material has gotten going.
To be fair to all parties involved, surely everyone can agree that it's a combination of all the factors involved. Does heat radiate? Sure. Does the air affected by the radiating heat rise and 'carry calories' upward? Well, that may not be the best way to phrase it, but for the sake of Rodney King, surely it does. And... is it a combination of the radiating heat as it is affecting the fire-side of the test branch, and the air rushing in to fill the lower pressure area caused by the fire-warmed air rising, together causing the evaporation? Yes! All the relatively obvious aside, I would say that the main issue was your choice of titling. I'll not opine on your fire tending... you're the one doing the work. I've got my own to worry about! That said... love your running subtitled commentary. Freminds me of my own mental recriminations. Thx.
We know you know what you are doing, that was never in question. But hopefully those same 91k viewers that watched your top down video watch this one as well because I literally had to relight some twenty or thirty piles this summer in rainy Alaska from grown adults who supposedly up there to help and tried lighting the pile from the top because they don’t know better and then told me it’s impossible to start! Same for the last 50 years. Point being, apparently the average person today actually dont know how to light a fire when it’s damp. Heck probably even when it isn’t! If it was me you’re making fun of, have at it. Hopefully it helps your channel grow! I know I now what I’m doing and I know you do as well so it’s all good. However you may want to tell the average person that the issue they might have by lighting the wrong end of a brush pile is that as it burns it’s way to the bottom where it should be that it’s almost inevitable that the wood and coals are going to be spread out on the way down so you no longer have a large enough concentrated source of heat so it’s going to go out. Especially if you walk away and don’t tend it. Secondly (if it was my comment) you may want to reread what I actually wrote. I wouldn’t comment at all but it’s supposedly good for the channel. I’m not going to teach you anything you don’t already know by writing a couple of sentences anymore than I’m going to learn something from a short video. I’ve been logging, living in the woods, milling and heating with wood my entire life and I’m your age! 😉👍🏼👍🏼
If you've decided you can't learn anything from a short video, you never will, regardless of weather or not there is something to be learned. It doesn't seem like you really listened to either video. He doesn't need to warn people against doing it wrong, he very clearly described and showed how, and why to light a top down fire correctly. Including having enough dry fuel when you start the fire on top so that it doesn't burn and dissipate out before drying and igniting enough of the slash material. And OBVIOUSLY it won't go well if you don't tend it...
I have a question for you if you would be so kind to answer. How much land do you own and how do you know when it ends. i think this would make a good video many thanks for the uk.
This is 160 acres. There are corner pins in the ground to mark the corners. Some of the property lines have blaze marks in the trees where the property line is. Where the surveyors chopped marks in the trees decades ago. I used to run the lines with a compass off of known corners. Now I can just use GPS. It is surprisingly accurate in finding property lines here.
Illegitimi non carborundum! Here I am again, watching you build a fire. I like your never-crack-a-smile sense of humor. I'd like to see your place sometime. You take good care of it.
Try not to let the goofy comments get to you Mr. Wilson. As I’m sure you know, all comments help your channel and they’re just part of exposing yourself to every jerkinhimer in the world. You represent the Oregon I’ve known and loved for the last 66 years well👍.
I think it is important to remember that physics is always there. Convection and radiation (along with other physics) are happening simultaneously. Sure, folks can argue about which has the greater effect. Still, as long as the fire does its job, and one is happy with the way they accomplish the task, all is good. Thanks for showing us your methods.
I did this video because I could tell some people misunderstood some things I said in the previous video. The rant was mostly for entertainment purposes. I am definitely enjoying the channel, just been a little hard to get videos done lately between rain.
Most people don't know how to manage a fire even when it's dry. Don't Worry about peoples advice on the internet. I grew up around tons of people who let fires go out. :) wet fire burning is a lot of babying but can be worth it if possible.
I have always put bigger, wet pieces of wood around the base of the fire. So they will dry out, at least a little bit, while the wood on the fire burns down.
Pretty much the same method to light the first fire in a coppice woodland. But not all wood that is wet actually is. We would look for any standing dead stems which are actually bone dry inside. We would also lay the stems inline and keep turning the ends into the centre as they burnt right through. No fires burnt hollow. Pretty much banned these days. Burn boxes or chipping and also brash piles are the norm. Perfect habitat for disease and forest fires.
How long did this all take? And how long would you say the stages of start to adding fuel to fire big enough to throw stuff on to fire too big to stand by each took? I've mostly stopped burning because it left behind a lot of ugly ash/dust and an are that took forever to become green again. How do you deal with that, or do you not mind it?
That’s hard for me to answer because I’ve never really paid attention to the time. I am guessing maybe 20 to 30 minutes. That is with really wet wood. The first one takes a while but I usually take a lot of that time to start preparing slash for the next ones. It’s a good question so I should time it sometime. Your second question is something I plan on covering in a future video. When the fire burns down to coals I spread out the coals and ash all around it. Something you only want to do when everything is wet and there’s no chance of starting a wildfire. Spreading the ash around helps spread the nutrients in the ash around so plants can use it better. Some also believe the char has soil building properties. This way the coals won’t be sitting there baking the soil and roots underneath for hours or days. When I do that, greenery often sprouts right back where the burn pile was the next spring.
Just curious. Why do you burn those brushes etc? Around here people never do that. I might sometimes gather a pile if I'm near where people go, but then I just leave it to rot on it's own.
After watching the previous video and this one, I'm curious about the heat-sapping effects of the wet ground under the starting fire. The wet ground just steals that important downward radiant heat going down from your fire. If you start with a tiny 6 inch pile of wet wood under your starting fire, then continuing on as in this video, would it make things easier and less finicky to reach the desired super hot stage?
The two pieces of dry firewood I put on the ground then built the fire on top of were to keep it off the wet ground. I think that was enough in this case to last long enough to get the fire going. Yes you are correct about putting wood under first, even if it’s wet wood. That is part of my strategy when I start the new fires from the first fire. I plan on demonstrating that in the future video. Good comment.
If air flow dries things, why does your hair dryer get hot. Why does the clothes dryer have heat? Just a question not really heat dry faster, then air flow.
GREAT VIDEOS!!! Iiii. ii. ii. iii me me me. me. me. me 😂 We🤔 felt warmth from your video. Enlightening warmness. Comfortable warmth. One could even say the warm feeling radiated in waves of positivity from the warm fire... ..... video. You could even say it was like the warmth of the sun shining your wonderful fire radia.... (To be continued)
That's the way forest fires get started!!!! 😜 We normally get some decent comments as long as we are not using the sawmill, chainsaw, cutting trees down, using the four wheeler to log. Most comments like that we can reason why we did/do it the way we do. When we get an unreasonable hard head I simply say, we were there you were not. There are a lot of armchair quarter backs out there. We appreciate the good hearted poking and interaction with us which is 99% of our viewers. We don't burn slash and I'll have to do a video why😏
no, you are wrong joking aside. i just started watching your channel. i noticed you cut a lot of coniferous trees. i have lots of birch up here in Alaska, some spruce. cutting birch is a little different, as the branches "hang up" often, and dont have enough weight to just fall through. Also do you know much about forest health...i think i need to cut a few hundred trees on my land to thin it out
A very very small percentage of them are annoying. The huge majority are respectable people. I mostly took the time because I could tell some of them were misunderstanding what I was saying. Part of my motivation was to also try to clarify for the non annoying people who may have misunderstood some of the things I was saying too.
Do you mean to say in a 50 year old overstuffed chair in my mother's basement with a $5000 laptop watching UA-cam all day that I don't know as much about fires as Michael? If true that concept will overturn civilization as we know it! 😇
Partly because I think they are cooler in the summer. And even in the winter because we don’t get that cold here a lot of the time. And that’s not from experience. The real reason is that’s what my dad bought me when I was a teenager and that’s the kind I’ve been using ever since and I just don’t know any better. 😁
@@WilsonForestLands thanks for taking the time to reply, I can see the appeal in the summer, I wish I was allowed to wear them in my profession during summer time. Are the ones you wear in the video the ones your father brought you? 🤣 Love your videos
Here's a little bit of history that illustrates the power of radiant heat. On the early morning of March 10, 1945, a force of B-29s attacked Tokyo with napalm-filled incendiary bombs. The conflagration that they ignited was so intense that whole rows of houses burst into flames before the fire reached them.
Wildfire danger is a huge concern in this area burning the excess slash reduces the fire hazard. there are other ways it could be done but this is generally considered the most cost effective. It’s a good question I am getting a lot so something good too address in a future video. Don’t worry I won’t poke any fun at this one. 😁
Remember, he lives in a somewhat drier temperate climate compared to others. Different fuels react differently and different piling methods the same. He is hand piling, obviously. I would guess his fuel moisture levels are quite dry most of the time from laying around.
In this climate I like to burn in the winter when we have a very soggy climate. The rest of the year when the fuel is dryer, I prefer not to burn then for safety and other reasons.
Nitpicker here. Heat rises. Heat also radiates. Top down fires are superior because embers fall and that's why it burned out the center. I manage pine with prescribed fire in an area that saw 102 inches of rain last year. Nitpicking is only a side hobby.
Those internet commenter s.are just wanting to think there smart...nean while they spend maybe few hours a year outside we are outside all day everyday...they will never learn how lost they are ..
Wanted to try help you .out ..I know your a experienced tree cutter as am I..30 years and those years I was lucky 🍀...I've seen many tests and reports ..on those chaps ..get rid of them spend few bucks get chainsaw pants ..far better comfort..and safer as we age..the best for lower cost are solidur from bartlett arborist..the rest are more money and or not as good in-between costs.the clogger zero 2 us best for summer only ones realy at all for summer rest are hot.i know your guna say you don't need them but ..I thought so to..plus therr so comfortable I don't wear anything else or other pants ever..it's that much better...be safe good video s😊
You’re my go to guy, I’m 85yrs young spent 50 yrs designing and building rock crushing equipment, last summer I set up my woodland mills saw mill. I’ve learned watching your videos I’ve got pitch on every thing I own. The easy part is running the mill, getting the logs is the hard part, I have a tractor with a grapple and a logging winch it’s still a lot of work for an old man. 😊
Love the way you deal with the nit picking people.Keep the videos coming
I enjoy your videos. They radiate clean humour!
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it reminds me of red and green
I have an excavation company and clear a lot of land so do quite a bit of burning. Burning in the rain is the best! It keeps burning, but you don’t have to worry about out it getting out of control.
Oh it can still get out of control it just usually doesn't. I met someone who did that and burned a building down in the rain he went didn't expect that when an ember blew into a barn full of hay
True, I guess the better thing to say is I almost always burn when its raining or the morning after a long rain to let nature help me keep it under control as best as I can. Its less likely to get out of control. @@wildandliving
Don't let the armchair critics bother you, just do your thing, and keep doing a great job creating content on your channel for us like- minded Forestry nuts.
I love your sarcasm. That is one of the reason I watch your channel.
Oh please don't stop the smart assery. They're are plenty of forestry channels on UA-cam, but non with great humor too!
Brilliant video, love your dry humour and your practical in-depth knowledge. You talk a lot of sense based on personal experience. Not sure that can be said of all vommenters.
Thank you and I for one am looking forward to the next video about transferring fire!
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I like that one too. 😁
Problem here is, we need Cliff Clayvin.... he knows everything.
It's amazing how much he know by just being a postal worker.
Thanks man, and you're welcome
I use that same technique of starting a fire with dry wood and then feeding it wet... It works great when burning wet slash. It works with ice and snow covered slash too but you have to pile it so the dripping water falls to the sides of the fire as it thaws and dries or it tends to drown the fire... The formerly ice and snow covered material can be put directly over the flame once the dripping stops. Seems like Mr. Wilson knows what he is doing. 😉
I know what you’re talking about with the ice and snow dripping on it. Been there. 😁
Your videos are great. Don't listen to the haters. Keep them coming.
As someone that has had I have no clue how many fires over the years I can say you are spot on. this is by far one of the best channels on forestry out there, Many years ago i worked with a guy just like you he could light a fire any where and any time and we had some very hot fires burning off slash from logging in almost torrential rain, but once hot they will burn a long time. most of the fires i do now are camping and hiking, year round . minus 30 to plus 30 rain or shine. you are spot on. keep the videos coming they are very good.
Whilst I absolutely love nit picking 99% of the time I keep it to myself for a very simple reason that you pointed out very nicely - I'm not there and can't be getting anywhere near the feedback that the person making the video is. Plus there is a really good chance I don't know what the heck I'm talking about.
I do really enjoy your sense of humour and have started looking forward to them so please, keep on taking the mickey out of us idiots - I certainly enjoy it 😁
I'm the same way. Most of the time I feel like calling someone out on something, I've learned that if I just go back and read the post again or ask a simple question, I gain a better understanding of what's happening and save myself the trouble of looking like a self righteous idiot and aggravating the other person for no reason.
Too many people are overly eager to prove their superiority in situations they don't even understand.
Good knowledge thanks for sharing
A brush burning veteran here; regardless of how you get there, once you have a bed of glowing embers, you’re off to the races.
One of my favs is the teepee fire. All the biggest wet stuff gets teepeed and then a small fire of dry wood, cardboard, old shop rags, etc is built in the center of the teepee.
Just keep feeding the inside fire until the radiant heat has dried the teepee enough to ignite it.
It’s a great fire when it’s snowing… and your beer stays cold too!
Well said, you are spot on about everything. 👍
I love a morning rant form my favorite firebug. The heat rises people got a lesson today! That'll learn em.
No doubt I was one of those you are referring to from the last Video, though I never said anything about Radiant heat.
Sorry if I ruffled Feathers, but I do want to compliment you on readdressing Burning and spending the time to cover the nuances not covered in the original.
* I do several pile burns a year and yes I've burned Bottom up, Top down and targeted side ignitions(handy in a breeze to manage flair ups)
I actually appreciate and get a lot of good information from your Videos and look forward to new releases.
Take care and stay warm!
There were some who were questioning what I was saying in a respectable way. If I remember right you may have been one of those. Nothing wrong with that. This was mostly targeted to the know it all types and the ones who were just plain rude or obnoxious about it or just taking things completely out of context. That last part was partly my fault for possibly not being clear enough. but even with that I don’t give the rude ones a pass.
Finally someone else pointing out that radiant heat is, for the most part, evenly distributed about the heat source in all directions but convection rises. In the real world, not a theoretical world without gravity, wind, etc. They also discount conduction.
Thanks for teaching us.
Tried this yesterday and it works like a charm!! I usually just pile it all up and try to burn it in one go, this requires a bit more work and attention to keep the fire fed. But after a couple hours I had reduced 3-4 yards of green slash into a pile of coals. 10/10 would recommend
Thanks for the great videos.
All your experience in the bush is very valuable.
I appreciate you sharing all your knowledge.
Cheers
Hey my friend, love the video. Some people are idiots and just like to make a lot of noise. Probably a bunch of Narcissists who know everything. Please keep up the great content. My Dad and I appreciate them.
Your sarcasm is.......radiant.
Great video. My brush and log fires are mostly river birch harvested from creek banks. We do stream restoration work. My burn piles are the size of school buildings. If its going to take five days to burn a pile spend four days on getting it started. I use to use 100 gallons diesel fuel now we use kindling. I agree with you.
Awesome double-troll in the title--one on yourself, and the deeper one on the commenters. I was really impressed with your thorough clarification last time and found it so satisfying compared to most UA-cam presenters who tend to leave out the details that can take a "clickbait" assertion and turn it into a coherent lesson.
Too funny. I am always amazed how commentors believe they are the expert. I noticed you referenced them a few times in other videos - I was wondering how a professional in your field would react to those that obviously know more than you - and you answered with grace and humor - perfect!
Looks like you were right. Keep up the good work, I'm about to burn some slash piles for the first time and I learned a lot from you.
Yes sir absolutely right thank you for your time. I tried the method of starting your flame at the top, this last weekend and it worked well. And after I got it going we cooked some delicious ribeyes directly on the coal. Thanks again
Ribeyes on the coals now you’re talking. 😁
Your first video was clear as is this one there are just those who think they know better. Or those who just seem to live to grip and complain that others are always wrong, never mind experience teaches us how things work the White stuff is largely steam not smoke. So all I will say is until you have done it a few hundred times don't take what these silliest grumble on tp heart you done good with both fire videos.
Agree 90%+ about the conduction/convection/radiation aspects. The radiation can also heat downwards (as a general point).
I suspect that one nitpick point is that within what can be classed as the 'chimney' of rising hot air, there will also be fast drying all around the wood (in addition to the radiant heat) that will accelerate the drying (most obviously those branches that are being licked by the flames).
There will be minor (miniscule in context) levels of drying of the wood out to the sides as all that we have is that the incoming air has been stripped of direct water drops (i.e it's what happens in sub-basement ventilation drying), but relative to the burn time it is irrelevant (as you clearly stated).
Don’t let those loser nitpickers bother you.
You accomplished more everyday than they do every month.
It's a never ending battle dealing with the internet trolls in the comments section. Best to stop feeding them and over all just ignore them. I will say that you do explain things rather well. Keep up the good work.
I wouldn't ignore them in cases like this. A response video like this makes very strong, obvious points about their ignorant comments and even though they will be too stubborn and hard headed to learn anything, there will also be people watching these videos that are legitimately trying to figure this stuff out for the first time. While it feels good to put a troll in its place, these videos are ultimately better for those that are wanting to learn but won't ask questions that will get made fun of. And since the trolls always have the loudest opinions, it is better to counter their comments before someone who doesn't know better takes them to heart.
Thank you for answering the burning question.
Well done sir, well done! Stay safe, and God bless
welcome to the internet , where every one is a genius sitting in their moms basement with a key board
Ummm, excuse me sir; it's "mom's" and "everyone".
Nyaaa, "Wise-guy"! (But accurate.)@@Rusty-Metal
@@Rusty-Metal Nuh-uh... it's Birthing parents basement) 😂
Amen 🙏🏻
@@Rusty-Metal😂😂😂
Boy, you are all fired up, or maybe all directions lol!
I guess we are even now considering the sprucing pun I made on your video. 😂
I love me some unfiltered sarcasm!!!
Begin sarcasm: You know, all you need to build a REAL fire is a 5 gallon jug of gasoline, and a gallon of used motor oil. That'll get you a real fire going, yer sir! :End Sarcasm
You know, I do appreciate what you are showing us on tips about different types of fires and how they work. But I also think, the best fire is the one that works for you in the situation you are in.
Thanks for the video sir. I get more from your on-going outdoor educational series of forestry than I do from keyboard warriors any day of the week, even on Sundays!
Right. I agree with you 💯.
Your dry humor is enough to burn out those wet blankets who show up in the comments at some points.
I find this is the most reliable method. Only drawback (compared to a top burn) could be that it might require 30 minutes or more of heavy workout to feed the fire once the dry material has gotten going.
Good fire tutorial. It’s hard for me to imagine but there are probably a lot of grown adults who have never built a fire.
To be fair to all parties involved, surely everyone can agree that it's a combination of all the factors involved. Does heat radiate? Sure. Does the air affected by the radiating heat rise and 'carry calories' upward? Well, that may not be the best way to phrase it, but for the sake of Rodney King, surely it does. And... is it a combination of the radiating heat as it is affecting the fire-side of the test branch, and the air rushing in to fill the lower pressure area caused by the fire-warmed air rising, together causing the evaporation? Yes!
All the relatively obvious aside, I would say that the main issue was your choice of titling. I'll not opine on your fire tending... you're the one doing the work. I've got my own to worry about! That said... love your running subtitled commentary. Freminds me of my own mental recriminations. Thx.
Well said about it being a combination of things. As far as the title, I admit it was crossing the border into clickbait. 😁
Brilliant...thanks mate 👍
We know you know what you are doing, that was never in question. But hopefully those same 91k viewers that watched your top down video watch this one as well because I literally had to relight some twenty or thirty piles this summer in rainy Alaska from grown adults who supposedly up there to help and tried lighting the pile from the top because they don’t know better and then told me it’s impossible to start! Same for the last 50 years. Point being, apparently the average person today actually dont know how to light a fire when it’s damp. Heck probably even when it isn’t!
If it was me you’re making fun of, have at it. Hopefully it helps your channel grow! I know I now what I’m doing and I know you do as well so it’s all good. However you may want to tell the average person that the issue they might have by lighting the wrong end of a brush pile is that as it burns it’s way to the bottom where it should be that it’s almost inevitable that the wood and coals are going to be spread out on the way down so you no longer have a large enough concentrated source of heat so it’s going to go out. Especially if you walk away and don’t tend it. Secondly (if it was my comment) you may want to reread what I actually wrote. I wouldn’t comment at all but it’s supposedly good for the channel. I’m not going to teach you anything you don’t already know by writing a couple of sentences anymore than I’m going to learn something from a short video. I’ve been logging, living in the woods, milling and heating with wood my entire life and I’m your age! 😉👍🏼👍🏼
If you've decided you can't learn anything from a short video, you never will, regardless of weather or not there is something to be learned. It doesn't seem like you really listened to either video. He doesn't need to warn people against doing it wrong, he very clearly described and showed how, and why to light a top down fire correctly. Including having enough dry fuel when you start the fire on top so that it doesn't burn and dissipate out before drying and igniting enough of the slash material. And OBVIOUSLY it won't go well if you don't tend it...
If you were one of the ones who made your point in a respectable adult manner, that is not who my comments in this video were directed to.
Hey my favorite u2b video guy . Most people out there just need to shut up at thier face 😂❤
I love watching your videos , Your fire building skills are spot on ,I'm still pondering the thought does heat rise or does cold air fall?
They both move in relation to each other. So both. Thank you for the kind comment.
I have a question for you if you would be so kind to answer. How much land do you own and how do you know when it ends. i think this would make a good video many thanks for the uk.
This is 160 acres. There are corner pins in the ground to mark the corners. Some of the property lines have blaze marks in the trees where the property line is. Where the surveyors chopped marks in the trees decades ago. I used to run the lines with a compass off of known corners. Now I can just use GPS. It is surprisingly accurate in finding property lines here.
Thanks for the reply. That's a lot of land and keep up the great videos. @@WilsonForestLands
Illegitimi non carborundum! Here I am again, watching you build a fire. I like your never-crack-a-smile sense of humor. I'd like to see your place sometime. You take good care of it.
Try not to let the goofy comments get to you Mr. Wilson. As I’m sure you know, all comments help your channel and they’re just part of exposing yourself to every jerkinhimer in the world. You represent the Oregon I’ve known and loved for the last 66 years well👍.
Yeah I just use those kind of comments for fuel sometimes. 😁
I think it is important to remember that physics is always there. Convection and radiation (along with other physics) are happening simultaneously. Sure, folks can argue about which has the greater effect. Still, as long as the fire does its job, and one is happy with the way they accomplish the task, all is good. Thanks for showing us your methods.
Good job
I would love to learn how to carry fire from one slash pile to another. I hope you re still enjoying your channel and the rant was just fun.
I did this video because I could tell some people misunderstood some things I said in the previous video. The rant was mostly for entertainment purposes. I am definitely enjoying the channel, just been a little hard to get videos done lately between rain.
Good skill to know!
I’ve found that no matter how innocuous my comment may be, someone will 🤬🤬🤬🤬 !! Let’s face it, lotta wackos out there. Keep on truckin brother!👍😀
Before I used to do big Brush burns I always used old car tires. I never had a failure.
It's fun listening to you rant on nit pickers make me want to nit pick you wet fire starting is a good technique I do basically the same thank you
I knew that was a risk I might take, encouraging nitpicking. 😂
another great video. keep keeping them honest.
I prefer a boring slash pile burn...happy to feed and coax it along...while taking ample time for coffee and/or beer breaks.
Most people don't know how to manage a fire even when it's dry. Don't Worry about peoples advice on the internet. I grew up around tons of people who let fires go out. :) wet fire burning is a lot of babying but can be worth it if possible.
I have always put bigger, wet pieces of wood around the base of the fire. So they will dry out, at least a little bit, while the wood on the fire burns down.
Pretty much the same method to light the first fire in a coppice woodland. But not all wood that is wet actually is. We would look for any standing dead stems which are actually bone dry inside. We would also lay the stems inline and keep turning the ends into the centre as they burnt right through. No fires burnt hollow.
Pretty much banned these days. Burn boxes or chipping and also brash piles are the norm. Perfect habitat for disease and forest fires.
How long did this all take? And how long would you say the stages of start to adding fuel to fire big enough to throw stuff on to fire too big to stand by each took?
I've mostly stopped burning because it left behind a lot of ugly ash/dust and an are that took forever to become green again. How do you deal with that, or do you not mind it?
That’s hard for me to answer because I’ve never really paid attention to the time. I am guessing maybe 20 to 30 minutes. That is with really wet wood. The first one takes a while but I usually take a lot of that time to start preparing slash for the next ones. It’s a good question so I should time it sometime.
Your second question is something I plan on covering in a future video. When the fire burns down to coals I spread out the coals and ash all around it. Something you only want to do when everything is wet and there’s no chance of starting a wildfire. Spreading the ash around helps spread the nutrients in the ash around so plants can use it better. Some also believe the char has soil building properties. This way the coals won’t be sitting there baking the soil and roots underneath for hours or days. When I do that, greenery often sprouts right back where the burn pile was the next spring.
I don't think that is a real fire. Actually I don't think you're in the woods at all. 😁
Kidding of course. Love your sense of humor.
Finally somebody caught me. The jig is up now. 😁
Just curious. Why do you burn those brushes etc? Around here people never do that. I might sometimes gather a pile if I'm near where people go, but then I just leave it to rot on it's own.
I use a very old method to start fires called the fuel oil/ paper method.
wow .... fire hot .... who knew .....
After watching the previous video and this one, I'm curious about the heat-sapping effects of the wet ground under the starting fire. The wet ground just steals that important downward radiant heat going down from your fire.
If you start with a tiny 6 inch pile of wet wood under your starting fire, then continuing on as in this video, would it make things easier and less finicky to reach the desired super hot stage?
The two pieces of dry firewood I put on the ground then built the fire on top of were to keep it off the wet ground. I think that was enough in this case to last long enough to get the fire going. Yes you are correct about putting wood under first, even if it’s wet wood. That is part of my strategy when I start the new fires from the first fire. I plan on demonstrating that in the future video. Good comment.
If air flow dries things, why does your hair dryer get hot. Why does the clothes dryer have heat? Just a question not really heat dry faster, then air flow.
Dealing with ignorance is is an enjoyable form of entertainment. 👍🍻
Sometimes I do get entertainment out of it. 😁
Slash and Burn! Sweet!😂
Negative and stupid comments are fodder for more videos. :)
I do use them for fuel sometimes. 😁
GREAT VIDEOS!!!
Iiii. ii. ii. iii me me me. me. me. me 😂
We🤔 felt warmth from your video.
Enlightening warmness. Comfortable warmth.
One could even say the warm feeling radiated in waves of positivity from the warm fire...
..... video.
You could even say it was like the warmth of the sun shining your wonderful fire radia....
(To be continued)
That's the way forest fires get started!!!! 😜 We normally get some decent comments as long as we are not using the sawmill, chainsaw, cutting trees down, using the four wheeler to log. Most comments like that we can reason why we did/do it the way we do. When we get an unreasonable hard head I simply say, we were there you were not. There are a lot of armchair quarter backs out there. We appreciate the good hearted poking and interaction with us which is 99% of our viewers. We don't burn slash and I'll have to do a video why😏
Sounds like a good video. I’m a little disappointed with his comment though because you didn’t tell me I’m going to start a forest fire. 😁
@@WilsonForestLands I edited my comment to undisappoint you. Is that even a word?🤔
That’s much better. My general rule with words is, as long as I understand what they mean, they are words.
no, you are wrong
joking aside. i just started watching your channel. i noticed you cut a lot of coniferous trees. i have lots of birch up here in Alaska, some spruce. cutting birch is a little different, as the branches "hang up" often, and dont have enough weight to just fall through. Also do you know much about forest health...i think i need to cut a few hundred trees on my land to thin it out
LOL - spot on brother ;-)
I guess you have some annoying listeners. It seemed like a lot of time to address those issues, but it got a chuckle out of me. Good content; thanks.
A very very small percentage of them are annoying. The huge majority are respectable people. I mostly took the time because I could tell some of them were misunderstanding what I was saying. Part of my motivation was to also try to clarify for the non annoying people who may have misunderstood some of the things I was saying too.
I love your videos. Add me to the the list of positive commenters.
When I do this I just start with a high spot on the ground.
Do you mean to say in a 50 year old overstuffed chair in my mother's basement with a $5000 laptop watching UA-cam all day that I don't know as much about fires as Michael? If true that concept will overturn civilization as we know it! 😇
Well that explains why the center of the earth is so hot!
Why do you wear chainsaw chaps and not chainsaws trousers?
Much respect from the uk
Partly because I think they are cooler in the summer. And even in the winter because we don’t get that cold here a lot of the time. And that’s not from experience. The real reason is that’s what my dad bought me when I was a teenager and that’s the kind I’ve been using ever since and I just don’t know any better. 😁
@@WilsonForestLands thanks for taking the time to reply, I can see the appeal in the summer, I wish I was allowed to wear them in my profession during summer time. Are the ones you wear in the video the ones your father brought you? 🤣
Love your videos
Heat is work and work's a curse
And all the heat in the Universe
I always try to burn when when just because I’m afraid it might get away from me
I’ve got my kids wet shoes near the wood stove drying out right now. Note: they’re not ABOVE the stove and actually below the level of the flames 😉
I’m a bottom upper from way back
Maybe make biochar from branches?
I didn't pick up on that. Glad I didn't nitpick
Careful now, fire is hot, which can burn you. However, it cannot kill you, which is also important to know. Have fun.
You're WAY too kind/patient with the keyboard warriors. It's beyond obvious you know WTH you're doing!
Here's a little bit of history that illustrates the power of radiant heat. On the early morning of March 10, 1945, a force of B-29s attacked Tokyo with napalm-filled incendiary bombs. The conflagration that they ignited was so intense that whole rows of houses burst into flames before the fire reached them.
Heat dries quicker for sure. Keyboard Commandos.
Why is burning needed?
(I swear this isn’t a negative comment!!!)
Wildfire danger is a huge concern in this area burning the excess slash reduces the fire hazard. there are other ways it could be done but this is generally considered the most cost effective. It’s a good question I am getting a lot so something good too address in a future video. Don’t worry I won’t poke any fun at this one. 😁
As it was once explained to me, when the flames come up through the top it's time to add fuel. Add enough fuel to cover the flames.
That was a good explanation. Spot on.
You mention doing a video on bio char in the future. Since I may not see it I just want to say that you did it all wrong.
Oh yeah, well I’m going to have to do a video just about you making that comment Dave. You better watch out now.
Remember, he lives in a somewhat drier temperate climate compared to others. Different fuels react differently and different piling methods the same. He is hand piling, obviously. I would guess his fuel moisture levels are quite dry most of the time from laying around.
Yeah I changed the pronouns from “you” to “he” to address him properly so as not to offend him/you.
In this climate I like to burn in the winter when we have a very soggy climate. The rest of the year when the fuel is dryer, I prefer not to burn then for safety and other reasons.
Nitpicker here. Heat rises. Heat also radiates. Top down fires are superior because embers fall and that's why it burned out the center. I manage pine with prescribed fire in an area that saw 102 inches of rain last year. Nitpicking is only a side hobby.
Forget those nitpickers,complainers are going to complain 🤣.
Those internet commenter s.are just wanting to think there smart...nean while they spend maybe few hours a year outside we are outside all day everyday...they will never learn how lost they are
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Wanted to try help you .out ..I know your a experienced tree cutter as am I..30 years and those years I was lucky 🍀...I've seen many tests and reports ..on those chaps ..get rid of them spend few bucks get chainsaw pants ..far better comfort..and safer as we age..the best for lower cost are solidur from bartlett arborist..the rest are more money and or not as good in-between costs.the clogger zero 2 us best for summer only ones realy at all for summer rest are hot.i know your guna say you don't need them but ..I thought so to..plus therr so comfortable I don't wear anything else or other pants ever..it's that much better...be safe good video s😊