Rare inside look at F-16 fighter jet Ukraine believes is vital for defense
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2023
- NBC News’ Ellison Barber got a rare exclusive look at a F-16 as she flew with the famed Thunderbirds. Ukrainian officials believe the fighter jet will be crucial for their defense against Russia.
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#Ukraine #Russia #F16
It’s puzzling Ukraine didn’t provide English training preemptively.
You really think they didn’t?
Considering the pilots have been busy fighting a war? Not just anyone can fly these planes…
Another "gamechanger"
😂😂😂🤡🎪🤡
F-16s are not a simple aim, fire-and-forget weapon system.
The F-16 issue is not just based on training the pilots, but on the support it takes to keep it operational.
The tremendous amount of requirements (spare parts, munitions, trained maintenance/support personnel and systems, POL, etc) to keep it an operationally relevant weapon system is a feat in itself.
Career Viper fixer here who disagrees on the operational end of maintenance and support. Running foreign students through USAF tech school courses has been done since before the Air Force was a separate service. Any farm kid (those still exist in eastern Europe) can make a fine jet mech due to tactile familiarity with machinery.
It's easy to retrain troops who worked on older birds (every senior maintainer in the early Viper maintenance community worked something else beforehand, I came off Phantom and Bronco) which required more mechanical adjustments and had complex, primitive avionics and comms. Before the USAF kept maintainers mostly on one airframe the diversity of experience IMO made better technicians. Any car mechanic can make a jet mech and many are both.
I could teach a rock to work on one and all Ukraine needs is the equivalent of DEPLOYED US squadrons with the rest left inside NATO for safety. For example engine and avionics back shops could sublocate to Poland and be supported easily via existing NATO units and other resources. POL is old news for any armed force and quite easy to learn. Any fuel truck with an SPR hose can fuel one and connecting those is simple plumbing. POL for hydraulic oil and lubricants. is a simple task of ordering the correct NSN then having it shipped through the usual channels (Fedex, DHL and UPS make the DOD world go round). Fuel is ordinary tanker truck logistics not requiring military tankers so long as a pump etc is available at the receiving end.
While the OVERALL feat of supporting an F-16 squadron is enormous like any fighter unit, the PIECES of that puzzle are refined over many decades and not difficult for any individual to perform which is of course the point. Most of those pieces can be managed from far, far away as the US does on deployments.
Ukraine doesn't have to reinvent every wheel and perform every task. They do need to get good at a select few but tens of thousands of other humans did so easily with far less motivation. Today we have Zoom and other comms so a factory tech rep or maintainer from another air force can if desired talk a Ukrainian through troubleshooting including tricks and kinks not covered in job guides. Technical Order automation means any number of copies are instantly available (and no hapless airman has to A-page paper manuals).
@@Comm0ut Really...you're talking about people you have to teach English (read and write) to before they even get to your "rock teaching". You talk like politicians who've never been near the military. Talk to people who tried to do this with much simpler weapons systems. There are plenty of them since Iraq and Afghanistan. What you glance over as simple...ain't...
@@steelcastle5616 You're pretty disrespectful, have given no evidence and argue like you are some superior human being. I'm not even commenting on accuracy. Telling a vet he's like someone who's never even met someone in the military? If you're past the age of 18 then I feel sorry for you.
@@felixthecat580 I was 18 back in 1978. I'm an Army retiree who has years of experience conducting mil-to-mil training of allied militaries. For the US to train ally whose first language is not English to use a significantly complicated weapons system (s) and make it operationally relevant in battle is a multi-year feat. That's just a fact. As for any disrespect you feel -- that's on you.
@@steelcastle5616 The point was you should have included that to begin with, not just shot off rude sounding comments that made you sound insufferable. I haven't even commented on the English argument you for some reason are now making to me. Just that the way you talk to people isn't any way to get your point across effectively. The way you phrase your words doesn't make you sound informed, just arrogant. I'm not trying to insult you just giving an outside perspective.
One of the coolest fighter jets ever. Only the F14 Tomcat is cooler in my book
I live outside Tucson and have seen more F-16's flying patterns into Tucson International (Morris ANG base) and suspect Ukranians are already flying whatever F-16A-MLU's (Block 50/52 standard) that are in place, along with instructors, that used to train Dutch pilots.
They cant translate the software... Bullsh!t, #DOD & Military Industrial Complex wasting money & time.
The 🇺🇦AFU will be essentially destroyed before their air force can even fly them, of which Russia' trained to specifically target F-16' for decades. Corny & naive segment. 🥴
One of the top fighter jet air dominance
God 💪 Bless 👊 Ukraine 🇺🇦
Hawaii residents matter !
They knew what they were doing when they sent her for this story.
Denmark and the Netherlands just got the go ahead from the US to donate F16 so i guess it's just a matter of time.
They need more than a few F16’s to “defend themselves”. Funny title 😅
F16 are relics on the last century, garbage on the modern battlefield
“I’m a hot talking head and a presstitute for the Pentagon and MIC, look at me lark as 500,000 soldiers die in Ukraine”
Glavset shilling hard today. Remember the much more difficult defeat of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact by containment? I do. You LOST due to your own economic degeneracy and social incompetence while China succeeded. Russia became a poor backwater by the hands of its own people.
Which GAME CHANGER weapon is this? I lost count.
Every one is a game changer when Russia has ran out and the ones they have they’ve been buying from Iran and North Korea. I wonder what’s going to happen now that the Ruble is in a free fall. 😂
Which bot account is this? 6577 banned already?
Trouble being you do not know what pilot is in the cockpit until it is shot down and chewing gum found behind the pilots ear
Another game changer that will be shut down by Russian
Ukrainian pilots say we want F16 that speaks volume.
You have to think, if you don't want these jets to be used other than intended , then don't send them overseas at all. Those are by America for America.
The F16 you flew in is decades more advanced than what Ukraine will get. The US pilots have upwards of 10 years experience not 3-4 months.
Yet way more advanced then what they are flying now so don't get your point
Are we supposed to be impresssed? I worked early and late F-16s and their advantage is compatibility with NATO munitions and their data link integration. Noobs dream of dogfights, a typical and contemptible childish fantasy. War is about putting warheads on foreheads and Russia has FAILED to produce air dominance next door. This is like US forces running out of steam at the Mexican border.
How complex would it be to provide Ukrainian pilots with a Ukrainian language F16 flight and functioning package.?
Genuine question.
For the HUD and flight information it’d probably need a complete rework of the computers since many inputs are coded in English. Not an insurmountable task, but would have probably delayed its deployment another year. Physical buttons can be covered with a sticker at least. Biggest concern for English is the training itself since the trainers are American.
Thank goodness we are giving billions to Ukraine while Maui is on their own
Too bad trump caused the entire war in the first place
@@ob1KUNToBE comparison? Foreign countries receiving more aid then American citizens. Is that fair?
the aid we're sending to ukraine is weapons, not money. sending missiles and ammo to maui wouldn't be very useful.
How is more tanks, ammo, jets, good for maui
@@beandispenser6971 Ukrainians refugees in America get a pension straight from Biden of $914/month while Maui only gets $700 per household after losing everything. Explain
I've been playing with the diecast metal one since I was a kid and somehow I still have two of them from the thrift store. I seen them in person at the air show is a child and I've just always been fascinated and in love with them seen some fly over my head plenty of times growing up around Ellington Field
Did you miss the part where General Milley said they wouldn't change the wars outcome?.....
Yeah ..but who's going to fly them? Most Ukrainians don't even speak English .. lol. A waste of some perfectly good aircrafts.
FACT: Denmark already HAVE begun training first batch of pilots and staff, 70 in all that are expected to be delivered with first batch of planes around new year. The pilots participating ARE already figher pilots on MIG´s.
That was shallow
At the end they need the nuke from you dude🤣
Good expert
Best of the best, is the RAF Red Arrows Pilots, the USAF Thunderbirds are out Gunned by their RAF Top Gun Pilots!
They have Americans fighting in their own Brigade. Why can't find some American pilots that willing to volunteer. Just 5 or 6 would be a big deal in a certain offensives. Brake through a portion of the line.
Very Few People are LINGUISTICALLY and MECHANICAL/Science GENIUSES !!
"The goal is to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war." - Julian Assange
Umm f16 is a very capable jet .
But which version it is
As crappy news channel they didn't tell it nor which type.
It's a,b,c or e , which version refers type of radars ,
Types of missile.
F16 were upgraded over time to time.
But the one shown is a older version. And older model
Good luck with su 35
Ok the man in the cockpit matter but no always
The F-16 and Gripen aircraft are an expensive, but probably necessary, addition to Ukrainian capability.
They’re getting early built F16A and Two seat B models that even the US no longer fly them same with most of the NATO allies Who purchased them in the early 80s
@@fastone942 The Dutch only recently have the new F35 fighter jets. half of the 42 Dutch F16 fighter jets al up to date and on Nato standerds. some need upgrades. The Dutch always infested heavily on modern fighter jets, because they always where needed to deliver nato (us) nuclear bombs stored in The Netherlands.
Vladimir as a pilot, Olenka as a co pilot: Ucrania will win..
Another offensive will fail without substantial airpower.
The F-16's are as fast as thunder, but not lightning.
Ask Capt.O'grady about that if F-16 is really the best aircraft for Ukraine😊
Can we provide them with a fast learning English vocabulary teacher?
It can open up to an entire nato missile arsenal, because it is compatible with them. It would be heavy and slower on the way to the mission, but on the wayback, it's quick. All heavy missiles have been sent to their targets as planned. Now It's just the extra fuel tank and 4 sidewinders for personal defense.
Broccoli is a great source of fiber!
Russia has too many fighter jets
Then why didn't they win in weeks? Where is their sortie rate? Not that you shills know what that means. Russian missions over Ukraine are basically local flights in airspace they grew up in or near, yet no victory over a poor nation next door.
The need swedish JAS Grippen . The best of best .
Ya, well a joy ride isn't helping Ukraine.
Slawa Ukraine
Ehre sei der Ukraine! Ehre sei den Helden, Glaube an den Sieg, die Schnelligkeit, der Kreativität ukrainischer Kämpfer werden den Feind besiegen.✌✊💙!!!
Are you talking about jews.they are the biggest enemy of Ukraine.😂
Go baby ! F-16 loves Ukraine 🇺🇦
Omg the broadcaster dream wife! smart beautiful and selfconfident
I prefer my women to still have their soul...
Simp!
If Ukraine is to be part of NATO the guys will need to use the pan global language of English it makes sense to teach them so they can interact with NATO now and in the future
whats a bit concerning is these f16 are being flown by the ukraine pilots who have no experience with them. So its pretty much like the lepords.
We can use AI to help them fly the planes. We do NOT need a year.
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Glory to Ukraine
1 year? Just imagine what the Russian front lines are gonna look like? S 400s everywhere!😢
I remember when Zelensky wanted tanks and we said no, then we gave in, then Zelesnky asked for jets, we said no, and now he's getting it. If you don't stand up to Zelensky he will soon be asking for your soldiers
Dude, this is America’s war. Of course they’re gonna help give themselves fighter jets. Zelensky sold out Ukraine for NATO enlargement. How people still think this is all just favor for Ukraine is beyond me
They just wanted something cool to fly in, and when america and germany joined sides to do those horrible things.
Thank you very much for useful information!
You are utterly propagandized. This will not save Ukraine.
Pakistan use f16. Is India have solution yes s400.
30 countries HAVE F-16's !! They dont speak english!! What is that Lame EXCUSE ??
Lol countries like romania you mean? Who have had f16's for over a decade and still arent up to speed?
Their aircrew speak English which is the international language of pro-Western military aviation.
@@Comm0ut not in ukraine.
F16 will help stop the russian helicopters at the front as they have a 150km radar, so they don't need to go into russian held territory, and still the us is not providing any only some european countries,why?
And the s 400 can shoot them 400km away what’s your point?
You only know what you know.....s 400s have been defeated regularly by Israeli F-16s@@asilfan
What’s next, since now they getting them? Maybe tactical nukes?
No..an American cheeseburgers from Macdonald
Western propaganda shame on these warmongers
They'll be in Ukraine in about 2 months
It’s a joke…my word
Putin stop this war with peace and dignity! Now haven't you lost enough?
They tried. Ukraine wasnt willing to deal and has used every opportunity to use it against russia. No more talk unless ukraine is will to surrender unconditionally.
@@operator9858 Putin needs to leave Ukraine
@@operator9858 Pull the russian army out
@@Astarot6666 he cant now. His own people would devour him for doing so especially right as they are going on the offensive again...
@@operator9858 Oh well, maybe when things cool down again maybe there could be a resolution to this conflict
hilarious how they need such upgraded weaponry, yet are constantly calling Russian equipment outdated
Just one more aid package and victory, i swear bro!
Cry more comrade vatnik. XD
@@OhFishyFish XDDD
This is couch money for NATO. The US didn't notice over 15,000,000,000 a month during GWOT and most aid is also a high tech jobs program benefiting the US middle class. Bonus, it kills NeoSoviets so seethe harder and send more cannon fodder to the front.
Why has it taken this long to finally give the go ahead,this should have been done at least 6 months ago so they could of had them right now,so stop complsining about the offensive going slow. It's the wests fault.
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Lol I like the lady news presenter
US needs to worry about the US and not Ukraine
US is worrying about the US by worrying about Ukraine 😊
This is about the idea democracy not being pushed into darkness
@alexboorman6969 Ukraine literally had a successful far right coup less than a decade ago, and started banning the their biggest opposition parties on the left. What about that says democracy??
Yes....America 1st - NOT last. Let Ukraine fight their own Civil War 🪖
@@Shining237 Civil war? LOL. Obvious Russian troll comment. Nothing to see here, folks.
Oh and btw expect more drone attacks on Moscow lol.
Not that long ago, the Leopard tanks, Challenger tanks, and especially the Abrams tanks, were taunted as the "game changer". Well, the game hasn't been changed, now it is the F-16 that is going to be the "game changer". The kitchen sink would be the next.
They keep dreaming 😂
Hey comrade When is Putin's 3 week special military operation gonna be over ....... so you know the whole world is laughing at you hey speaking of weapons when is russia getting the shipment of weapons from north korea. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 clowns
I know English hire me😊
best of the best? thats debatable. bet every Navy carrier pilot that wears the blue uniform says has a different opinion.
It's rare flying coffins towards Russia
But what if Russia takes over those F-16 fighter jets and our A1 Abraham tanks I think that’s what they’re called the only reason why Russia is doing what they’re doing to Ukraine is because in the United States we don’t have a good president if you know what I mean 😂
Ukraine has very few jets left and no safe airfields. Poland sent dozens of modernized MIG 29s to Ukraine. Almost all were lost. F-16s won't be any better. Lockheed still has a very large stake in the F-16 program because it continues to offer modernized variants of the class for export at times for hundreds of millions of dollars per airframe, so I don't think that Zelenskyy regime that is effectively on its last legs will last till getting its first F-16. This conflict for example already demolished Patriot reputation among potential buyers. They had certain suspicions after lackluster Patriot performance in SA, but Ukraine debacle was a final straw. This unmitigated disaster happened with modernized Patriot with modernized, cutting-edge missiles. Something similar could happen with F-16, but after Patriot folly it's unlikely that it will get to Ukraine.
what a BS you eat here .
Wondering how much more money you get for such excellent mastery of English comrade? Those patriots have done an amazing job or reassembling themselves if you were to believe the tally count of Z missile strikes destroying the battery. Even seems suspect that strikes from Z don’t target patriot defended sites anymore.
@@badpanda1532 Sure, in your video game, kid.🤣
@@joshuapaul2022 such a crap rebuttal, got that on macro?
@@badpanda1532 You have no idea what you are talking about.
we dont want Ukraine to win, but we dont want them to lose either, makes us look bad
The F-16 can also strike inside Russia......
That will be the end of ukraine 😂
ARE YOU flipp'n Kidding me ?? Just Change the Software to UKRAINIANE !! Flipp'n Really ??
The one thing the Ukrainians could have easily taught their pilots themselves, English, is now holding up the programme. Bad planning, Zelensky.
God Blees America !!! Україні Слава !!! Слава ЗСУ !!!
Vivre La Russia and Vivre La Palestine forever. Lol. Abolish NATO and zionist thief Volydymar Zelinskii's minions.
Pa I d fir by USA 🇺🇸 State Department. 😅
may bee - more realithired .... ains@@John-nz6jb
Why haven't we given them A10 ?? .AMERICA HAS 100S ..
and will take half the time to train !!
Where did you work on or fly Warthogs?
Voter id's
Are they ready
Very fragile fighter it need very good runway to take off and land vs mig29 wont be helpful
How many years did you work on F-16s? I always enjoy hearing from fellow experts.
The US did not convinced de Dutch to deliver the 40 x F16's. the Dutch already spoke of it for months, en finally the US was convinced to allow the delivery
No.sense
Bye Bye coward Russia
what were you doing there? Surly she BJ Deep for army men out thee...otherwise how and why they should let her fly? :)) lol