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Gen Z is Being Radicalized?
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
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just want to say I went through and read almost all these comments today and I appreciate them so much. Learned a lot and gave me other perspectives on the issue.
So many of these stories I would never ever have had a chance to hear in real life. It's the best part of this "job" (in air quotes) and I feel like it helps me understand the world around me better.
It does feel like the world has tossed a grenade of unique new problems onto everyone, but especially younger people, with absolutely no roadmap/guide for anyone - including their parents/role models - on how to handle them. I think people are TRYING a lot harder than is commonly thought, there's less "giving up" than people think, these problems are just tough.
Hope you all aren't too hard on yourself.
I hope more people come to realize this. Loved this video
Gen z male here. I couldn’t really say it better myself. I’m headed into my college years and I haven’t really felt more lost than right now. Besides the normal college feeling of being lost, a lot of that feeling is coming from this huge range of issues that we are facing right now as a generation. I don’t really know what needs to happen but there absolutely needs to be something.
I’d love to see more videos on this topic or related on the channel, it’s really got me thinking this time.
I know this might be a bit of an ask but it'd be cool if you made a channel in your discord to talk about this stuff and share advice. You could nuke it if it ever starts getting weird but I read most of the comments and your audience seems to empathetic and sensible so I doubt that would happen and it could be good avenue for people to talk about this stuff and get advice. Idk just a thought
I really appreciate you read a lot of the comments. This video just hit the nail on the head for me because it just summed up so many feelings that I had that had, many of which I didn't know I had or didn't know how to articulate until now. I've been sending this to my friends and it has really sparked up several good conversations with them.
thank you
This is so relatable as a gen Z male myself. It really does feel like there really isn't a low stakes, "third space" environment to talk about deep things or have genuine platonic relationships with guys and especially not girls. Guys think they have to goof off or take themselves too seriously. And as a guy it's hard to find girls with similar interests that overlap. It's difficult for a lot of my guy friends who want to meet new people, make new friends, and talk to women without being afraid of them, my self included. It's hard to determine what an acceptable boundary for that looks like, so a lot of us pull back and don't take the risk of putting ourselves in a uncomfortable situation.
If it's available to you nearby, I would highly recommend climbing gyms for this exact niche. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I know it's not available everywhere, but it has helped me reach out to so many different people in different walks of life and helped me realize to not take things too seriously. It helped me with my anxiety so much that I can strike up a conversation with pretty much anyone open to it (yes, women included >:O ), at least in the gym. I was so depressed like 8 months ago, but finding a third space that fits your personality and your hobbies really really do help.
So like it's obviously not the same, but in terms of free spaces I've found discord servers to be really good for this. Since covid I've actually met more new friends (both guys and girls) online first before ever meeting them in person.
To give a specific example I was in the league of legends discord server looking for a teammates and got invited to play customs in a private server. I join the call and it was like 4 guys and 3 girls in their mid to late 20s with webcams and everything.
@@trtl9106The problem that I've found with gyms is that unless you already came to the gym with someone, people are very much in their own world. Most of the people I've come across have their headphones in and are "in the zone". They don't really come to the gym specifically to socialize. It also doesn't help when you aren't the most fit person already, and going to the gym where everyone is already pretty in shape. It's even harder on your confidence. Again, it could be that I have a skewed perspective, but that's just what is going through my mind trying to break into a space like that.
@@guitar2935 I agree with the sentiment that Discord servers are a good place to meet people online. I've met a great group of people online in a Destiny 2 server years ago. But what I struggled with is that the people that you meet online in those servers you can't really meet up with or do things in person with. You can't just hit one of them up and go hangout with them or go to lunch with them or the like. I had great friends through that server, but it always felt like they weren't as deep of friends. Because they couldn't ever be there in person, it didn't feel like they could even celebrate the highs of my life, because they didn't have the context of the lows.
It does feel a bit ironic that the current era is when guys and girls actually share more interests than ever before in history, but for some reason mutual conversation still doesn't happen as often as people imagine. I personally attribute it to higher levels of social anxiety and lower social/emotional intelligence due to how the internet impacts relational behaviors, but those are just anecdotal conclusions.
Other generations: Conservatives and Librals
Gen Z: revolutionary ethnonationalism
It's nice to see people are waking up, being lied to for so long impacts people and just radicalizes them more
Sounds like identity politics without saying identity politics
The divide is nuts. As a member of the 1% of Atrioc viewers who is a gen z girl, it’s pretty lonely. It’s not fun
For what it's worth, I think Atrioc might have a higher % of young female viewers than most male streamers out there...
hi, ur not alone :D
ur not alone
@@amazin7006lmao. I wish.
But hi! You're not alone. We're all in this together 💜
I (18F) have struggled with social anxiety, as well as feelings of loneliness and isolation, for a large part of my life. As a strategy to cope I watched a lot of UA-cam videos, mainly for escapism. At some point I started watching left-leaning video essay content, which led me to find the “left-side” of TikTok. I need to preface that I strongly dislike TikTok as a social media platform and refuse to use it, so I am biased, which makes my main way of consuming TikTok content is through UA-cam TikTok compilations. The nice thing about the compilations is that they are curated by an actual person instead of an algorithm, but I also found that they were radicalizing me, or at least giving me stronger political opinions.
A part of it is the compiler, but I also found most of the videos revolve around dunking on or arguing with the other political side, which is also common with right-leaning content. So it feels more like a game of Red vs. Blue, rather than a spectrum of political beliefs whose actions have a real world impact. This creates a community of people with a common enemy, which could help someone who feels lonely feel a part of a greater cause.
So, I can imagine how someone would use a social media platform like TikTok to escape can easily end up joining a game of “who hates who more” to give themselves a feeling of community.
Of course, this is just my opinion and experience on the matter. I feel like this could be a reason why Gen Z as a whole are a lot more passionate about their political beliefs.
Thank you for reading. I really appreciate it.
i (23m) agree. thank you for sharing
(24m) right here also with immense social anxiety. Everything you said is pretty much in line with my thoughts as well. It’s like our struggle is an opportunity to be taken advantage of. It sucks.
Reminds me of the concept that Jonathan Haidt (a social psychologist) talks about called "the myth of pure evil" which is an ingredient for radicalizing people. Which is basically creating a common enemy among a group of people, oftentimes political or religious opponents. Getting people to buy into the myth of pure evil plays off their fear, it also makes them feel like part of a greater cause, on the side of good against evil like in the stories we like to consume through books, tv shows, movies, manga etc. and in the worse cases, any action against them is justified. You can see some of this in a lot of radicalizing content where it's less about why their own side is good, but more about why the other side is really bad and must be stopped.
As a millenial it's so nice to see that zoomers have the ability to recognize and admit they went too deep into one side. I had the same issue myself and I know too many people who have as well. It seems like millenials and older can't admit it often enough.
I hope you're all doing great and that we can see less of a trend of people ending up on an island.
Is it bad not to have irl friends?
I feel like that divide is created by how each gender feels about itself and the other one. Women seem to feel like men have everything the easy way while they have to fight for their basic human rights. And men seem to feel like they have to work hard and alone for everything they get while women get to have support
I think a lot of this comes from viewing the entire gender as a singular group. Things like wealth level drastically change how you hard your life is. Like for example, wealthy men in power genuinely do have an advantage and will benefit immensely from living in a patriarchy. But when a broke person busting their ass at Walmart is told they also told they are benefiting from the patriarchy and that they have a huge advantage, its not gonna really sit well with them cause they are often just as powerless to their conditions.
@@-Sai Lol brah yall just pitching fight club right now but I agree.
As a gen z male who has become more conservative the past year or two, at least personally from how I feel and from what I see from my friends I would disagree. From my experiences, it is men who are seeing protesters classified as liberals being toxic and hateful, which to us shows us something is wrong. Also, many of us disagree with policies regarding international affairs, lgbtq+, taxes, and overall I know a lot of my friends agree that there is tons of corruption within the liberal movement. Also, one MAJOR thing is the news organizations which in our views seem to be very biased and often spreading information without much research done or evidence backing it up.
@@flurryofsnow All of you need to go watch fight club your age or mine is showing now
@@flurryofsnow as a gen z female I understand what you’re saying in terms of media bias and branding of the other side. A lot of sources and people on the liberal side brand all people who lean conservative as racists or bigots who wanna take away people’s rights. Which, while there are absolutely a good chunk of (I’ve experienced and known some personally), I also try to keep in mind that life ain’t that simple, and people might lean conservative for whatever reason. We’re all people at the end of the day with our own struggles. Also I think that American politics in general are corrupt as shit regardless of side.
Regarding female on male violence, I believe it's more prevalent than you think. Most goes unreported and never mentioned to anyone because men tend to be laughed at and ridiculed if they say they were assaulted by a girl, and sometimes even assumed to be the perpetrator instead. Female aggression towards men is also just more socially accepted and men may not even realize they are the victim in many cases.
100%. My ex used to hit me when she got mad. She’d just freak the fuck out. It was honestly really scary. I’ve never told anyone.
I mean it is more prevalent, as is male on female violence, than stats would show but there is no question that
1) intimate partner violence while more often male on female is also not that rare to be female on male
2) date rape type violence is almost exclusively male on female
3) random attacks (on the street, when turning someone down at a bar etc) are almost exclusively male on female
and the types of violence that most affect overall like level of being afraid of a group of people are 2 and 3 because unlike 1 which can relatively more easily (but not guaranteed) be internalised as that one specific person being awful, the idea that any given man you go on a date with or just share the street with on a dark night has a real probability of attacking you does affect how women think, and this is not something that really affects men
I witnessed my mom consistently get physically violent towards my dad because we all knew he couldn't fight back without losing it all, despite being the actual good parent and it would be self defense.
Like, she called the police on him once (he did nothing), she then attacked him, broke his glass and made his face bleed and the police did NOTHING for him.
She has never apologized. It makes me so mad
I had a partner who was violent, one time I genuinely did get scared I was going to die that night and called the police from the bathroom because she was starting to go for improvised weapons and made big, nasty cuts on my back when I was trying to get to the bathroom where I locked myself in. When the police got there, they arrested ME because she started crying and claimed self defense. I couldn't even believe it, and the cops laughed it off in the patrol car saying how a 5ft something woman could be a threat to a 6'3 guy. I still have the literal scars on my back that are so bad I wont take off my shirt at the pool, did eventually get out of jail and cleared my name after spending over $65k out of pocket on legal fees, and she got absolutely zero repercussions to this day from it all.
Definitely growing up I have experienced a lot of "men are the problem" from the vocal minority online and I'm honestly proud that I wasn't radicalised because of it. And I didn't use social media all that much growing up, So I honestly feel for the young gen Z (I think I grew up in the best time for social media - just after Facebook and before Instagram took off, so I never really got into it). It's so easy to think "all women this" and "all men that" and it's only with age and perspective I'm able to see the flaws of those views. I imagine it is the same on the women side just with different points
I grew up with all this, I think being “terminally online” has ruined peoples expectations of what is normal. And combine that people aren’t fully comfortable being stuck alone with just their thoughts is scary to me. I never had used social media, because my logic was “well If they really want to talk to me, there’s ways they can do that, I don’t need an app just to do that.” As a result along with my introvertedness I didn’t have a lot of friends and had generally just felt very lonely. So if I had any issues I typically had to sort them out with myself, and I had a lot of time to myself. So now that I’m working, a bunch of people are constantly bringing up how “mature” I am for my age. Which I find is pretty crazy because half the stuff they’re saying I’m mature for, I find to be basic and simple stuff. So all in all I think that people spend to much time on their phone nowadays that they don’t spend anytime on themselves.
Yeah, I’ve been chronically online myself (which is my fault and the main problem)
But, with cancel culture being the front and center of social media, I feel like I, as a white man am the problem to everything. It’s been very hard for me to stand up for myself. Because of the vocal minority I’ve unintentionally conditioned myself that my opinion is worth less than everyone else’s because I am white and a man.
@@TheGP10 best way I’ve dealt with that is two ways of thinking my opinion is as valid as everyone else’s or my opinion doesn’t matter so no one else’s does. You should think of yourself as equal to the people around you, no greater no less. At least imo that’s how I see it.
Yeah well, people weren’t radicalized to the *left* by seeing “men are the problem”-twelve year old boys saw that and became radicalized reactionary conservatives through Ben Shapiro making videos “owning the libs” in his fast talking, fallacious debates. that’s only one very small aspect of it though.
Don't think this is a problem at all. Men are just mad that women say men are bad..
I'm 36. I grew up in a time where you could fit all the gamers at my high school at a single Cafeteria table. We had terrible social skills with anyone that wasn't another gamer, and even then, only talked about video games as a filler to going home and playing them, at which point we rarely talked.
Now-a-days, that table would be half the school. I don't think the tables' social skills would be any better.
But I think a lot of the social pressure that caused this lack of social skills would be very much diffused. Now "gamer" can mean anything, from someone who plays 2K and fortnite with the guys casually (socially acceptable, "normal" in the gen Z ladder) to someone who plays like AOE4. There's a bunch of different stereotypes for different communities (think League of Legends, etc) and what is "cool" can become "nerdy" and "cool again. Examples of this include Fortnite at its peak being cool due to everyone playing it, and then doing a complete 180 in the years prior to being the poster example of "cringe" to it becoming somewhat more mainstream/cool again.
It's all to explain that not all gamers are treated by society equally which means some gamers will have a harder time adapting to the rapidly shifting social climate and be worse at social skills with the vice versa being true. Twitch and streaming was long considered to be a good marker of whether someone was a gamer/nerd or a "casual/normie" gamer, but now even that line is blurred with Kick.com, Adin Ross, Kaicenat, Drake/celebs, and other popular mainstream presences (and the "normie" audiences they bring) in the streaming space.
As you said, it's easy to point fingers at men, Tate, etc. and say they're to blame, which is definitely half the problem. But this is a two way street. Especially as someone who teaches high school, I have had to step in to squash a rise in overall hate towards male students for just simply being men and misandry from female students. I'm not against feminism in principle, but this 3rd and 4th wave have 1000% has played a negative role in females becoming hateful and resentful of men. And just like how its good for us to call out misogyny, there's no social pressure to stop women from hating on men. I find that a lot of men have become reactionary to that since obviously nobody likes being demonized. The only way this gets better is if we become unbiased and call out bad/hateful behaviour from all sides. Everyone needs to feel heard and like their opinion matters. No more of this, "your opinion doesn't matter because your ____". But that's just from what I have observed and believe.
I agree with this
I feel like a lot of this is a shift towards overall extremism in mentality, especially amongst impressionable youth. Issues are now so black-and-white and without nuance, and every hint of someone's "flaw" is often fully attributed to a single reason (Be that their gender, race, etc.), not to mention unforgivable. We have totally forgotten that every single person is simply human and imperfect by nature, and even wrongful behavior often has its own sad roots...
It's tough though because the experience of women is rough too that pushes towards dislike of men.
Like every women I know, including my gf, has had more bad experiences with men than I have with women, or my buddies have. I've had some weird and bad experiences with women, but no where near what my gf has with men. I've had weird comments and shit, but I've not been spit on in the streets by a man, I've not been felt up at the bar, I've not been so sexually harassed I had to quit my job for a lower paying one. My gf has.
The misandry isn't good because generalization in that way is hurtful and hard to hear. But it's worth also recognizing where it comes from. The worst misogynistic men in my experience come from them thinking themselves better. But the worst misandrist women I've met come from being hurt by men. Feelings of superiority versus feelings of fear.
To put it simply, a bad experience with rejection for man is generally being shut down in a hurtful way. A bad experience with rejection for a women is rejecting and that not being accepted.
It's kinda like looking at two racist people.the racism is bad either way, but the one who's racist because they think themselves better than that other race is far more fucked up than the one who is racist because they had a traumatic experience being victimized by someone of another race
Look at the graph, men are in the range that they always have been, its literally just women getting radicalized.
@@lukasgray1443 That was my thought as well, at least for the US the numbers for men seem to be roughly the same compared to the 90s.
Yeah, the divide is crazy. I think one of the problem lies within a lack of good influencers that align with the youth nowadays. The disparity between the number of sigma male creators and sigma female creators is so eye-opening. I'm glad you're one of the good ones 👊
I've been trying to get out of my comfort zone and talking with strangers occasionally, and have been met with warm responses every time. It's really hard to make that anxiety of talking to a new person go away though, and I can't imagine how much worse it would be for someone who already has really bad anxiety, much less social/conversational skills, etc.
If both you and the other person are in eternal fear of making the first step though, nothing will ever happen; you yourself have to gather the courage to be uncomfortable, start a conversation, and be willing to do so many times until you slowly get better/practice makes perfect and the anxiety isn't crippling anymore. And all of this seems obvious, and you think bad of yourself for not being able to do it, and you question how have you even made it this far in life without being able to do it. But you have to actually just do it, you are the one stopping yourself, you are the one that's in needless fear. The other person will be happy you talked with them 99% of the time and if they're rude/mean they're probably just an asshole.
For the people really struggling with that initial anxiety, I highly recommend joining random discord vc's/vrchat or similar. You can be fully anonymous or dox yourself, join/leave whenever you want or just listen to other people talk, be as weird or formal as you want to be, talk about mysteries of the universe or memes or work or anime or whatever and people usually gladly talk to you (that's a reason why these games/websites are so popular). It's better to slowly expose yourself and get used to actual human interaction, even online, instead of just thinking/fantasising about it 24/7 and hoping you'll magically wake up one day and become a beautiful charismatic extroverted person.
P.S. IF YOU READ THIS FAR AND RELATE, ACTUALLY GO DO IT. I PROMISE YOU ON MY LEFT NUT YOU ARE FULLY CAPABLE AND IT WILL BE OKAY. I LOVE YOU AND BELIEVE IN YOU, SO YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN YOURSELF. DON'T KEEP MAKING YOURSELF SUFFER NEEDLESSLY. ❤
I can genuinely only think of one instance in my life where I actually went up to a stranger and initiated conversation. I know I need to put myself out there more, but because I work from home and don't go out much I don't have any 'organic' opportunities. I have basically no social experience, and I have anxiety and other issues that makes it feel impossible to make any progress. I feel like I'm wasting my life.
I get super anxious and stressed out when I'm in a discord vc with someone I don't know, even if they're a friend of a friend. It sucks. I've been meaning to try out vrchat to try and build confidence, but I haven't gotten around to it. I've never used voice chat in any game before, I feel like it would be difficult and super awkward.
Thanks for your comment - sorry for venting
@@Blazik3n99 Practice makes perfect, improving little by little is good. I find game vc's a little easier since I end up focusing on the game instead of worrying about everything I say. You may be a bit less anxious in the discord vc if you play a game/listen to music/occupy your mind with something so you're not hyperanalyzing everything in the conversation. Nothing wrong with mostly listening and only talking when you want to either. In vrchat same thing, there are usually groups of people talking/drawing/playing a game/whatever so you can walk group to group until you find something interesting/the people are talking about something you think you can talk in length about.
If you can't help but overanalyze/think people are intently analysing every word you say and are constantly worried about messing up, then talking in a situation where people don't think much works good e.g. just making a remark every now and then in a massive discord vc where nobody will even remmember anybody who spoke afterwards. I like playing this game called SCP:SL which is free on Steam and a lot of people use voice chat on it, mainly goofing around and saying stupid shit, I'm talking the most braindead 3AM no sleep type conversation while some dude plays wayward son on his soundboard and you're gunning down enemies 😂. In that kind of environment you can literally say/talk about anything you want, however much you want, and everybody is having a good time, no pressure, no criticism.
For the IRL aspect, you don't need to start a 10 min conversation or anything. I find compliments work well since most people like when other people say nice things to/about them 😅, so you can just say you really like someones shirt or something like that, where did you buy it? was the price good? I have a similar one I got it from x place, etc. etc. A lot of introverted people find "small talk" awkward but it's very good for getting to know someone a little/killing time/learning to talk better.
@@SegNode Thanks for the advice. I'll give vrchat a shot soon I think. I've found that pvp games are generally really bad for my mental health so I avoid them unless I'm playing with friends, so I'm not sure if I'd be able to try something there. I might consider saying 'gg' or something after games at least, that would help me get more comfortable I think. I might look into finding some chill discord servers to join, I'm in a ton of discords but I never join VC unless in a private one with friends.
I'm in the UK so people are generally very reserved in public, so I think it will take me a long time to get the courage to make IRL small talk like that unless they were serving me at a supermarket or restaurant or something.
hi reporting from korea this is a huge problem here. men are rapidly radicalizing (trending conservative) and i feel like the graph you showed doesn’t highlight the problem enough; it’s very real and very visible and i often feel like we’re walking a tightrope where one small thing might cause real harm to both sides. in korea we don’t really have podcasts/andrew tate but the stereotype here is forum sites (which i guess are also super rabbit-holey in the us as well) which are dedicated to radical anti-feminist rhetoric.
also interesting trend here right now is unlike what you might expect (liberal youth & conservative elders) we are noticing the opposite where teens/20s/early 30s are very conservative and late 30s/40s/50s are very liberal, and back to conservative when you get to 60+. the theory being that 30/40/50 year olds had a relatively easier time getting into society so they are open to change whereas the youth feel so isolated & are in such a harsh political economic environment that leads them to want to “go back” to when it was ‘easier’. interesting i guess but sad for me :(
"Radical anti-feminist rhetoric." Can you give an example of that? In the US, when I've heard that term used, it's after someone said, "men can not be women."
@@mrfattypancakes i dont remember what the videos name was but it was something regarding incel culture in south korea and how in recent years men have become staunchly anti feminist and extremely traditional in their views of what the typical gender roles should be. so at least in Korea the term radical anti feminist is basically what we have in the US but on a much higher scale and where more people are truly representative of the terms traditional definition
I linked some studies about this subject to Atrioc on the marketing Monday discord
@@mrfattypancakeswhen talking about south korea, the term ‘radical feminism’ doesn’t apply to terfs (iirc they act terfy but it’s not their whole identity, i think the country just doesn’t really understand the idea of trans people right now), it’s more used to denote one of the ‘two sides’ of the conflict between feminists and anti-feminists. it’s suuuuuuper polarized there, check wikipedia if you wanna know more en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism_in_South_Korea
@@mrfattypancakes?
I myself did something to connect with actual Americanised Gen z (or maybe it was something else? Idk where it came from) and got radicalised within ~2 years with the whole loneliness, anxiety, lost, hate the other gender shabang.
It happened right after the quarantine and when I tried open up emotionally because I was getting too NEET for my liking.
What's weird is that it came veryyy naturally even though I understood the logical fallacies present. It almost feels hormonal because of how compelled I get.
Im in the process of pulling the plug and reviving my personality from 3 years go to isolate and evaluate the processes going here but it's quite strange.
My sister became a femcel for a bit but then she started going to therapy and is better now.
She use to watch TikTok’s and YT vids of women talking about their toxic relationships or how men a trash. Now she mostly watches Vampire Diaries
This might sound weird, but I honestly believe social media algorithms to a certain extent can determine people’s life paths for better or for worse.
It seems to me that social media for many people is becoming one of their few outlets to the outside world, both physically and mentally, and that these divides will only continue to become more severe as the trend of “iPad Babies” becomes increasingly common.
Because now, young children and toddlers, who are extremely impressionable, are basically born and immediately given an algorithm at a ‘blank slate’ phase, and essentially letting the algorithm learn exactly what interests them and how, as the kid creates a unique “carving” of themselves as they search for and consume media they find interesting while they are growing in these early years and having their interests rapidly changing as they do so.
Makes it so by the time the kid has gotten old enough (~ the age of adolescence to young adult), to be able to think for themselves and form their own opinions, without realizing it, find themselves in a “filter bubble”.
This, combined with how these algorithms to a certain extent have ever-evolving impressions of what the average gender and age group is interested in seeing and using that as a default reference when recommending media, makes me believe that this problem is either going to get significantly worse for the foreseeable future or worse for a little while if the newer generations somehow find a way to adapt to this new “cyberscape”
The internet is nothing short of a drug i can destroy or help you in life.
I do believe most children are not monitored on the web and this just increases the problem, i do believe more people born near 2k will be watching their kids in a later time in life.
I think social media in general allow men and women to group up separately and radicalize each other. While in the past when everything was more in person it was more mixed.
I guess I get the loneliness aspect. I often feel pretty lonely and isolated, because I just work too much and don't have time to get out. I can understand how that feeling can lead to frustration in those who don't want to admit they might be the reason for it. Hell, The Doors said it in the 60s, "women seem wicked when you're alone." At least for me, I realize that it's my own skills and personality that lead to me being alone, plus the weird position I'm in in terms of life right now, where I work too much to go out often and I'm hoping to move abroad in the next couple years so I'm unwilling to start a relationship with a time limit.
Also though, it's tough meeting people. I can go out to a bar or something, but often people go in groups and tend to stick to them. So people go to dating apps, but then most men will hardly see any matches, and even if they get them they usually don't go anywhere. The issue mainly lies in that people aren't willing to accept that it's probably just a skill issue
Absolutely dude, hope that goes well for you. I'm assuming you don't get to interact with your current coworkers much? or there's an interest gap there?
Decline of quality life for younger generation where there life is getting harder and harder. No one can afford a house or basic needs like healthcare and service.
I think its probably that men's issues are being handled almost exclusively by the right and women's by the left, its not a true shift in political ideology, only in who the groups choose to direct their ideology towards yaknow? somehow caring about men's rights has become anti-left and caring about women's anti-right.
Idk if I have anything to add to the table but I’ll try to add a genuine comment. I have primarily had Female friends through Middle and High School only now in college switching to becoming primarily Male friends. I wouldn’t say there was more or less emotional support towards me specifically however I can say that there was a drastic difference in how the women I was (and continue to be) friends with talk about Men vs how my male friends talk about Women. The “bros” will frequently talk about women in exaggeratedly rude ways for comedy. However very notably the ones with girlfriends don’t make those jokes. Usually after making said jokes the boys will become saddened by the fact that they haven’t felt a genuine connection with a girl and really wish they could. Honestly kinda sad. They think that those guys that degrade women (that Tate shit) get more attention from women and makes them upset cause they don’t want to be dicks to women but they still want relationships. Meanwhile I can say that the talk about men from women does get pretty intensely negative. It’s gotten to the point where I’ve spoken up a bit about how it’s making me uncomfortable and the response is always “not you of course”. I can’t really view the negative talk from an unbiased angle since I’m the target of that talk 😂. I’ve never dated a guy so I really don’t know but it seems that generally women are more vocal about negative relationships than guys are. That I CAN relate too in the sense I don’t like to talk about it and I actively attempt to let it not affect future dating endeavors, something the boys and the girlies both help me with albeit differently.
Idk definitely rambling now, I have put my shit on the table
Exact same experience in middle school and high school, where most of my friends were women, and now more of my friends are guys, I’m seeing the same trends. Definitely not an isolated experience
I’m 35, so far from gen z, but even I have felt myself start to go down the red/black pill rabbit hole a little back before I found my girlfriend. I didn’t like it, and knew it was wrong and made attempts to ground myself, which did help a lot. The reason for all that was the constant rejection I got on dating apps. It really made me start to resent women a lot. I talked to the various women in my life, but that didn’t help as much as I would like. A big part of my problem was that I didn’t know what it was like for women on dating sites. For me it seemed like they had it easy. They got to match with anyone they wanted and had the pick of any guy they wanted. They could just sit back, and let guys do all the work while they could just be lazy and get everything handed to them. I suspect that’s what a lot of guys think, because that’s how it feels. I actively tried to find female friends and family to ask about their experiences with dating apps, but none of the women in my life, and there are many, use dating apps. My sister used to, but that was years ago. I think if more women would share their experiences with dating apps it would fix a lot of issues.
these redpill people are just getting brain washed into thinking women are bad , anybody can find his missing part in life.
Its the safety these people promiss with "its not you its the women " ....
As you can imagine women are humans too just like men , dating apps are cancer for any mind .
I do believe the art of grounding yourself and maybe self awareness got lost in educating children .
You nailed it man. Dating apps are absolutely abhorant. I haven't met a single woman who has ever used it seriously and the other women I know who just have an online presence (however small it may be) have pretty much nothing but horror stories to share. Being a woman is really not easy.
I'm going to start this by saying I'm a leftist/feminist; always have been, always will be. But Atrioc is patently wrong about downplaying female violence. I promise you that the statistical distributions don't look like what your intuition says they do. I recognize that men can do more damage and that's an important factor, but women commit acts of violence frequently. To all of the men out there affected by intimate partner violence: You are not alone. It was not your fault. No one should ever put their hands on you out of anger/emotion. It is not an indictment of your masculinity. I am 6'4, 220 lbs and can bench 3 plates. I still felt powerless when my partner would hit me.
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Can you provide said statistical distributions then? I do believe your story and I do believe women can get violent but I'm curious if the gap between our perception of female violence and the real numbers is actually that big.
@@Potatotenkopf total guess, don’t take my word as fact;
In my speech class last semester one of my classmates did a speech on this topic. I thought it was something like 1 in 3 women reported to have been physically abused in a past relationship, while 1 in 8 men reported experiencing the same.
Obviously 33% of women is much higher than that of men, but 12.5% is still a pretty big number. (Again, don’t take my word as fact, this is me trying to recall something from 3 months ago)
@@TheGP10I think that the results may also be skewed by men not wanting to admit to having been subjected to domestic violence.
Shouldn't the take away from those graphs be why are Women being more radicalized since outside of korea the Men are within expected trends
Idk. Every time I see these charts for the US, the male line doesn't really surprise me. It's the female line that is generally moving a ton. Which I totally get, but it's weird people keep questioning the male line given that it's barely fluctuating in the US.
There's a youtuber named woke_karen who recently made a short where he speaks on this issue a bit in honestly the most reasonable concise way possible. He postulates that in this world young men are suffering through a crisis of identity of what it means to be a man and general loneliness. But the issue is they cant openly speak on their issues as often they will hear things like "Patriarchy" or some variation of this marginalized group has it worse so you a man have no right to speak. And what this is leading to is these young men looking for answers in the wrong places and ending up going down the right wing rabbit hole and blaming women/feminism for their issues because more often than not the ones on the left push them away under the idea that you are a man u should be able to handle this or ur not allowed to express your feelings (which leads directly into a toxic mindset).
I feel like he has a point yes as a man I get it I get certain privilege's afforded to me in society. But I'm also black and in America which means every time I leave my house I fear that I won't make it back due to some trigger happy cop. I'm also fat which means I will get significantly worse health care as everything will just lead back to "lose some weight". At the end of the day your race/gender or other identifying markers like weight or age will always have its ups and downs for example women on average get lesser prison sentences than men for the same crimes, they are more likely to benefit from some kind of scholarship and on average receive higher levels of education and also work in fields that leads to very low on the job mortality rates.
Yes Patriarchy can be an issue as well as capitalism but to think that every dude benefits from just being a dude is diminishing the real struggles that we go through and its simply unfair and quite frankly truly sexist to either dismiss our problems based off of gender or not being in a marginalized group or even worse when we do find/make our own safe space to violently attack such a space and claim its full of evil, I remember reading about or hearing some kind of story where there was a rally or something to talk about men's issues and they were attacked by people just for talking about this.
If you want my two cents on the matter if we want a more cohesive and liberal environment that can solve the issues we are having we need to all be able to openly speak on issues that are plaguing *ANY* group in our society gender/religion/age/sexual orientation not with standing. Otherwise young men will continue to look for answers and these right ring grifters know theres alot of money in male loneliness.
I think a "symptom" can be seen in the first few twitch chat comments that were "blaming men" for the cause of the split. That sort of "just blame guys" thing is driving more people to go, "okay, since you keep calling me X I guess I'll go be X"
Exactly
And the people who called this shit out in 2016 as a reason young men were being driven towards Trump and MAGA were called racist, sexist incels. 8 years on, basically nothings changed.
It’s even more interesting because we can clearly see from the graph that women are moving more (outside Korea). I understand the move (Trump’s presidency, abortion) but I think a lot of guys are just kinda doing their thing and feel like they’re getting shit on from all angles
Edit: Another thing he mentions is people feel momentum more than absolute value. Fair opinion, but gen Z is feeling that momentum AS absolute value. It’s the first generation to feel the effect of policy implemented 20-30 years ago
So true dude, had to stop using social media for a couple months because I could feel myself being a worse person.
This is a really bad take.
"I have a specific grievance with how you treat me."
"How about I treat you even worse?"
Whatever happened to personal responsibility for your actions?
One thing about the Korea is that everything is competition. With very limited natural resources, all we have to profit from is basically human resources (hence the crazy pressure to study hard and get into high ranking universities, and also crazy centralization of everything to Seoul, the capital city). But this has been getting worse and worse recently. With the economic slowdown of Korea, job market for young people have shrunked more and more. Getting into a high ranking univerisities is not enough anymore. You need to study and get various cerfication (Master's degree or other government certifications) on top of that which can often take 3-4 years on top of that 4 year university education. What Korean men are frustrated about is that they are basically throwing away 2 years of their life to mandatory conscription. 2 years which they would have spent completing their university or studying for those certification exams. After 2 years of service (90% manual labor as conscript), all the complex concepts regarding your studies are not as familiar anymore, so you need to spend way more time catching up than you would have if you continued on with your studies as normal. Korean women, on the other hand, do not have that responsibility to serve, so they are free to finish their studies or basically prepare for their future as they please. So, they have unfair advantage in that way. On top of that, Korean leadership are mainly consists of the boomer generation who grew up with the traditional misogynistic mindset. So, in their mind, women are 100% the victims and they relatively (or completely) disregard the struggles of young men.
There are other numerous aspects on this matter which makes very complicated to address 100% correctly, but one thing I can say for sure is that this does not mainly stem from loniness or Andrew Tate BS. Korean men only want respect for their service that society takes for granted and to complete with women in the job market on fairgrounds.
I feel like some of the reason for men getting less university degrees is that we are starting to realise the value of alternatives like getting a trade. There are a plently of job oppurtunities, pretty high job satisfaction, with a low barrier and low cost to entry. I'm starting university in a fortnight but I was seriously considering becoming a mechanic or an electrician. It might not be the best pay but you can certainly live comfortably off those salaries.
i went through college at the start of the pandemic. i dropped out after a year and joined the electricians union. could not recommend this decision enough and only regret not starting sooner. the benefits (medical, retirement, and even day to day money) of working for the union far outweighs what i would be achieving had i completed school and gotten a job through my degree. im only 21 and already feel like i have my life charted out, compared to how i know i would be if i continued on with my schooling. this is only an anecdote of my own experiences thus far, and as a sidenote, i am speaking as an individual in ca, so my experience might run contrary to what others might think but it has been tremendous nonetheless
True, im an apprentice electrician in Australia (VIC) and my 10 week pre apprenticeship course was free, the current 3 year course im doing is apparently free as my company is meant to reimburse me at the end of each year but I still haven't asked them about it, im under the Union EBA (collective agreement) meaning I get holiday at the end of the year, a paid day off every 2 weeks, extra pay for working weekends, nights and overtime, sick days, $80K a year at 20 years old and a guaranteed 3 pay rises in the coming years, also my wage goes up every year to keep up with inflation. The work can sometimes be tiring but also can be really easy the other week we were towards the end of a job and there wasn't much work left to do so we were working for only like 3-4 hours a night and chilling for the rest, sometimes we only have like 2h of work to get done than we can go home and get paid for 8, plus I genuinely enjoy hard physical work, I have TAFE this week and I absolutely hate it, id genuinely rather be pulling in heavy ass 400mm cable than this shit.
edit: also we get cheaper car rego and the government literally pays my company to employ me so job security is pretty good
There is a very vocal minority of women who loudly proclaim their hatred of men. When you see this as a young man (who hasn’t done anything to deserve this reputation) it is easy to be in opposition to the political party that seems to hate you for just existing. It does not matter to those who see it what the experiences of those women are, as they lack that context and are just going to take what was said at face value. Anyone who just blatantly bashes others using generalities is not someone who is promoting change and is not being a positive role model.
Yeah and what's worse is that all of those women have gut wrenching horror stories that would make you sick to your stomach and feel a little worse about what men do and get away with. I wish there was more education to show that women go through pretty horrific traumatic things too often and of course men have their own set of challenges but once you have close girl friends or especially a partner, you'll start resenting men a little more because of the stuff you hear that has happened and still happens to them.
@@alanlight2715 I think that no matter the stories when you hear someone say they hate all a groop your a part of you automatically go fuck you and I while I think those stories are important I think developing a resent towards a certain group is inherently wrong it's kinda what "certain people" do with black people and crime stats
Hey Atrioc I think you missed one major factor
I think in the 2010s there have been several progressive movements (#meetoo, Fridays for Future or BLM for example) that have questioned the current capitalist and patriarchal structure of our society.
With it came a shift of the male role model from the „strong“, stoic alpha male to more of an thoughtful, emotional and responsible man. Whilst this change in general is definitely positive since it promotes more cooperation and compassion between people, it also came with blaming men in general.
As a young man my problem now is that not only are there few modern male role models (you are actually someone I look up to), but also some extreme progressivists tell you that the fact that you are male makes you guilty of being part of the patriarchal structure, morally wrong or inferior. These allegations are just bullshit, especially since the younger generation didn’t have anything to say in the structure of our society.
This created the perfect breeding ground for bad actors like Tate, who not only tell you that you don’t actually need to change but that you are rather superior to women. The easy populist solution is just much more convenient for most people.
At least that is what I observed with my little brother who follows Tate and recently started to mumble stuff about feeling unsave because of the Muslim hordes who walk through the streets like they own them (for context we are living in a medium sized town in Germany that doesn’t have any problem with criminality and both have a migration background since our mother is Chinese).
Well said. It's honestly depressing that any movement with positive intentions is inevitably badly executed, and tend to end up with exponentially negative backlash these days.
100% men are shit on much and online spaces target this anger that you men feel being demonized. This fear of those who hate them is what motivates a lot of these circles. It's completely natural that as the media and public became more anti male than men would lash out against that. I'm glad that I didn't end up in any of these stupid political online spaces. It feels like the only cure is to just get off social media lol
Yeah well said about feeling like we’re the problem because we’re men. It’s mainly the fault of growing up on the internet, while also growing up during those movements.
It sucks, other Gen Z men understand that feeling. But my mom, sister and even my dad don’t understand where I am coming from.
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Actually statistically women are more likely to go to uni meaning they are probably more in debt than you
This was a really great stream, just chatting for an hour about an important topic. Love when Atrioc gets interesting in something and has an open discussion about it with chat
As a young man 19 turning 20 this year, I always feel like I shouldn't try and tell people my problems because I don't want to bother them or have them worrying about me instead of themselves, or something important like college, I also fear them thinking of me differently if I do tell them I'm not doing good, I think this type of thought process comes from growing up being expected to just be ok and being expected to figure things out on my own cause I'm a guy, I think this could possibly come from things like in shows growing up I never saw the men being emotionally vulnerable without being seen as week or at a low point, even when I was really young in kindergarten I would get teased about my last name and get called names and I hated it, but I never brought it up to anyone it didn't even cross my mind because its something I never saw. Even in the present I have a hard time telling my close friends how I'm doing and will often lie by saying I'm ok or decent when in reality I'm not. It feels like for me to be able to tell my friends how I'm actually doing emotionally I have to be at a horrendously low point to think that I should talk to them about it.
I'm the same age and I feel totally the same man. What sucks is that they're probably feeling the same (the statistics back this up lol) so neither you or the other person say anything and both of you suffer. I also agree on the third place situation because I find it a lot easier to open up when there is an activity both people can do e.g. play a game or something, and the conversation doesn't have to be the sole focus. This definitely helps with casually/naturally talking about problems as well.
Yeah it’s gonna sound hard saying this but as my father once said for a situation similar to this, “it’s alright to act selfishly sometimes”. It may not be easy to just start and open up but I can tell that your exactly how I was a couple years ago and I’m the same age. It’s never good to bottle up all your emotions and let them sit. I did and I never realized how anger can ruin so many things. From walls to relationships with a friend I’ve had for years. Even if it’s just small amounts you have to let it out. So when they ask how are you doing be honest and if they don’t ask then, they’ll start asking soon, “Why?” And that’s your door and slowly start talking about it. So don’t worry you’re never truly alone. And just remember to stop take a look around you and breathe. Everything will be alright. Things have a funny way of working out.
I'm very confused. Concerning the US and Germany, Men on the graph have had a difference of 15 points between highest and lowest over 40 years and are generally evenly split left and right wing, but women have had a difference of 20 and 30 points between highest and lowest within the last 10 years. Why are men the issue here? Men have stagnated and plateaued, but women have dramatically shifted left.
its probably because korea has mandatory service
As in like initial cause? Definitely not, they've had mandatory service for a long while but the divergence is more recent. If like what mediated the divergence to be worse, maybe
I mandatoraly serve this
@@richardbpuente2367 it's probably not a factor, maybe a small factor at best. I guess men role on Korean traditional filial order are pushing them to be more conservative because of current cost of living crisis. They are supposed to be the providers, not show weakness, and be at the top of the filial chain. However, they see men issues being ignored and feeling alienated. They can't fulfill their social obligation by being the main provider of the family as opportunities are very little for the gen Z there.
At least during the post economic crisis Korea came out with some positive view on economy, so Gen Z males had some optimist view which was crushed during the pandemic.
The mandatory service is wasted time and push back on opportunities even further. They may view it as unfair as they have to compete with females for opportunities. Anti-feminism is on the rise for males. Not saying SK is the paragon of feminism, but for the male Korean, any shift of privileges is an attack on the social filial order. Mandatory service is a tiny amount of a factor in this discourse.
@@richardbpuente2367 This is specifically among gen-z though. If the downwards trend corresponds with gen-z men coming of age and needing to serve, I can see this making sense.
Exactly, they likely hate feminists because only men have to serve and risk possible armed conflict.
Being terminally online yet extremely social, I’m nearly sold on the fact that people are just more isolated than before and are not talking to people outside of their communities. That ignorance allows false narratives to take control of your thoughts and make issues bigger than they actually are. If men and women talked to each other more, or if people were just more open to talking to people regardless of race, sex, or beliefs, and realizing that good people come in all forms, then we wouldnt have this alarming divide.
Boys are getting played like a fiddle by youtubers/personalities like whatever self-help person or tate-like persona that says the easy things that justify avoiding the harder things like talking it out, swallowing your pride, being open to new ideas and doing food without expecting something in return. These boys and young adults are going to be more irrational, interested to see how it all plays out lol
Interesting I would say I’m not terminally online, I play games a lot and interact in UA-cam comments every once in a while but not a huge social media guy, always tried finding other things to keep myself preoccupied, but with all that out of the way I’m an introvert, and yet all the things like swallowing pride and being open, or even doing things with no return is stuff I got used to, my kinda core ideology is I can’t expect anyone or anything to change but I can change myself, which in certain has led to me being too harsh on myself but I digress, I always wondered how more social people have dealt with these issues or even if they deal with them at all. It’s nice to finally see some input.
As someone with no friends I must agree with this video. Turns out having no outside opinions does lead to radicalisation
only the case if the outside opinons are moderate lol, my dad would talk to me about how even though he had blue eyes and i had brown i was still aryan, causing me to think similarly to him up to like 12ish
@@ryanrichardson5844 I think that "no outside opinions" means nobody in real life, but certainly people on the internet. That's what I think this is all caused by - the pandemic and society in general leads to people having less or no close friendships which leads to a huge increase in one-way or parasocial interactions with people online to fill that gap. Many are taking advantage of the loneliness their viewers/followers are feeling to grow their presence, or at least saying opinions that resonate with that and benefit from it.
@@ryanrichardson5844 i wouldnt say thats really the case, you dont need moderate outside opinions but varied and plentiful outside opinions, ofcourse moderate ones will be included in those, probably the vast majority, but the point is that having no or little access to alternative viewpoints will lead people to be stuck in a spiral where they cannot see other perspectives and so double down on their own
some outside opinions can be bad and radicalising, thats true, although personally id argue that in your case it wasnt really an outside opinion, a tween/child believing what their parents say is generally expected
no what you learned is that your parents can teach you bullshit because they are uneducated my father is a fighter and this behaivoir transfered to me because the only thing he taught me was to be a "MEN" but you know damn right men do cry too and have bad days.
I took a lot of time to understand this for me and having a thought deep down rooted is not good.
Any knowledge should be moderated because your father was taught the same shit and taught it to you because he did not know any better.
The educational system and child protection are just a joke imo anywhere on the world.
Sharing opinions is weird today for most people .@@ryanrichardson5844
To explain the UK graph: politics is pretty simple for the general population in the UK. One party/leader is inevitably completely unfit to run the county and doesn't understand politics in the slightest, so you pretty much have to vote for the other party. We've had a string of complete idiots running the conservative party recently so basically everyone is going to vote labour in next election.
Hey Atrioc, you should check out a book called Of boys and men by Richard V Reeves. He talks the lack of men in HEALTH related areas (treaching, nurse etc)
On another note, i think the reason why its harder to make connections with people is the lack of a common topic. In school, people just talk about school and its harder to make a good friend making conversation out of it.
80% plus is like banana republic levels. The idea that any group is naturally that aligned is crazy.
that really depends on what topics the "group" is aligned over, generalised left to right political slider is rather vague
if 80% of humans are aligned on the opinion that murder is bad, then i certainly wouldnt think thats a weirdly high number ya know
Gen Z Women are just objectively more based than men. What can I say?
@@enotsnavdier6867 Truee
Pretty sure the poll didn't include policy and was just self diagnosing. When measuring the difference in real topics instead of what label you give yourself the gap is much smaller.
Zoomers of all countries, unite. You have nothing to lose but your skibidi!
thats more gen alpha i still know nothing about skibidi and i suspect many zoomers also wouldnt know
@@ryanrichardson5844 I wonder what would fit better then, I was born in 2003 but I never had the same interests as many of my gen z friends because I was a history/politics nerd. Closest I can think is something related to GTA/COD/waxpens/vapes but I don't know for certain.
Anxiety Risk: Talking to a girl to then bring her home to your parent’s house with a single bed because you can’t afford rent. Nice 👍🏼
I think often younger men (in my experience as a high schooler), we have very few male positive role models, and a lot of the time when someone is like trying to argue against someone being sexist they are made fun of for being a simp or called a loser, soy, gay etc
Just to add to this the guys that went around never got called out for being man-whores. And god forbid your actually nice to someone they shit on you for it, call you weird, while their getting cheated on by the guy who constantly yells at them. It’s a problem with how people view others and how being toxic seems to be the norm.
you forgot the word incel
@@saltwarden8218incels are literally the opposite of a simp
I get what's you mean recently I was playing runescape and two girls were talking about serious issues that women have to live through and when i showed so empathy 10 guys just started dogging on me
@@jimmy13morrisonu can be a simp and an incel… have u never been on the internet or something?
I also think social media made broadcasting the worst parts of people easy. Or in other words, there is an anxiety that if you make a mistake in a social interaction, the you get thrown to the social media wolves and get torn to shreds.
Here’s the thing guys, a chunk of young women, at least the women in my (20f) friend circles, straight up don’t want to date, myself included. It just seems like a lot of work and I barely have the time to keep up with friendships in between college classes and my job, my close friends are nowhere near the dating pool either. I think guys are a lot more concerned with the idea of a partner because it’s kind of pushed on them by wider society, but a lot of the young women I know mainly get their social fix by spending time with friends and romance is just not on their minds right now. I’ve never even kissed anyone and I’m 20 years old. I could have had the odd opportunity here and there but it’s something I’ve never pursued just because I don’t have the mental space for another person.
I know it’s not overall super common, I have plenty of female friends who have dated. But just keep in mind that a good chunk of women, typically nerdy-esque less conventionally attractive women from what I’ve seen (not a diss this includes me 😂) just aren’t interested in romance in the first place.
I think that's true, but I also know a lot of guys that don't want to either, or are at least very apprehensive about it. I think especially people around early 20s were hit very hard by the pandemic right at the time where you would probably be dating the most or at least most interested in trying it out. It definitely changed a lot of my aspirations about it.
I would like to find someone to be with, but as you’ve said the conventionally attractive girls that do want to date aren’t typically around for long and have such high expectations, that I don’t know how to meet. The girls I really want are like you said just not looking for that at the moment. So it’s rough and as a result I’ve secluded myself a little as well.
@@mrsteel6136 hey man, this is anecdotal but apps actually worked amazingly for me, I met someone I really loved that I never would have possibly spoken to otherwise. It's a bit counterintuitive but having high standards and actively searching for someone is much more effective than having low standards and waiting for someone to come along. I'm not saying this is necessarily an important goal for you or trying to push you, but it really did significantly improve my otherwise secluded life to meet someone that genuinely cared about me - and importantly, I cared about them just as much. As long as you are kind, attentive, and emotionally available, you will eventually find the right person.
I can say the same for the other side, I'm also in my 20s and in my close friend group of like 5-10 years, only like 3 or 4 of us ever dated, and only in Highschool, as the pandemic kinda make relationships hard (especially for kids) and ever since graduation, college and jobs take up a lot of time. Hell, my friend group can barely meet up anymore and mainly just get together online because of how spread out we are across countries, so if we barely have time to talk to each other being friends of nearly 10 years, than dating is at the back of our priority list
They will eventually be interested in dating, it's human nature. It may be too late when they finally decide to start. Not only will their chances be slim, but they will leave themselves open to be taken advantage of. Best to start figuring things out when you're young, especially for women, as opportunities are more likely to come by older men but not older women unfortunately.
If I can throw my hat into the ring of possible reasons; I think it's a combination of a lot of complex factors but what really stuck out to me as a possible reason for why men are trending more conservative or just not liberal is because the left tends to sort of ignore men's problems. As a leftist, you rarely see people talk about men's issues to the point where some people will even basically say men's issues aren't real or don't matter because they are in a position of power. Meanwhile more conservative sources do give advice for men's issues (albeit bad advice), in the form of people like Tate or even Jordan Peterson. I think that it makes sense that women are drawn more towards the left because the left does talk about their problems, whereas men are being drawn towards the right because the right talks about theirs. Really, I think what we need are more positive male role models and good advice about men's problems on the left.
I think that steams from even little things like college graduations. It is known that more women graduate then men do. However, there are still far more female-only scholarships, and next to no male-only scholarships.
The existence of female only scholarships is to encourage more women to go to college but since more women already graduate than men, it is over supporting the larger group. There are fields that are male-dominated like Engineering than can benefit from having female-only scholarships but when you have female-only scholarships for female-dominated fields like Nursing it can cause young men to feel resentful.
I knew a lot of guys from my high school that weren't very wealthy become resentful when seeing divides like this when applying for scholarships and aid. Because they needed the money just as much but were locked out due to something they can't control. While we do live in a patriarchy, things like this can lead younger men to feel like they are not being supported by society.
And one can't really bring this up in leftist circles without being seen as advocating against female empowerment. This often pushes younger men to more right-leaning sources, where their ideas become more and more radical and hateful. There is a reason they call it a pipeline.
There are a lot of men on the left who have made outreach content for men. But they’re leftist, not liberal, so idk. FD Signifier and Noah Samsen make good stuff. The leftist take is generally “why focus on what it means to be a good man? Just be a kind person.”
@@dradenlol8667 I second this, but I believe that for a society that is trying to push away gender roles, we amazingly hyper fixated on it, even you look at things like lgbt. Where I feel IMO, gender shouldn’t be a huge topic as it is, I think being a good person comes first. So don’t try to take it the wrong way it’s just something I’ve noticed over the past like 5 years and at least to me it’s an interesting thought.
I don't think you can say men overall have easier lives than women overall, nor vice versa. Certain parts of life are easier for men, certain parts are easier for women. In today's world, economic class affects opportunities/privileges/quality of life much more than gender does.
Economical class always affected you more than your gender tbh
I feel like that gen z is getting exploited.
Women this, men that
Black this, white that
Rich this, poor that
Cis this, LBGTQ+ that
Gen Z is fed polarizing content every day. It’s so easy to feed us identity politics so we can freak the fuck out over things that shouldn’t be that big of a problem. -Easily resolved quarrels that only have the spotlight because that identity fixation is trending. It’s so frustrating.
I would like to think it would be impressive how much change we could make If we weren’t exposed to this dopamine drip feed.
-Maybe we’d be happier, more social and less stressed. I only hope to see the day
If you’re reading this; thanks for taking the time. I appreciate you.
As Gen z girl that started college this years, its terrible. It's fucking lonely and I feel like approaching anyone is hard, especially when there was already established groups of friends there. As a outsider (I went to hs in another town), it feels impossible to look for a group or people to talk to.
It sounds a bit cliché, but clubs are such a good way to find a group. It really doesn't matter which you choose, the important part is that you put yourself out there. Since it's the beginning of the semester, most are still in that initial phase of welcoming new people to the first few meetings. Don't worry about being the "newbie"!
Z is the first generation that was entirely raised with the modern internet. Unless they had exceptional parents, it's entirely possible there was never a time in their lives where they were alone with their thoughts. They've always had the noise of the internet messing with their heads.
Hell yeah we’re radical 😎🤙
As a middle age bartender, the "third place" argument falls so within the purview of young men's tendency today, as well as chances of boys finding themselves hookups
We use to see career women, 20-30, go for men that was about 5-10 years older, often because of stability and maturity. And strong preference for over-indulgent females to search of short-term relations with men at the same age.
Today the over-indulgent women goes for people way beyond their age and career women going for even older men. It's not uncommon in today's bar to see 25 year old's going home with 45-50 year old, much higher rate than before.
Men are becoming mentally younger and more conservative.
But I'll give you this as an encouragement for anyone searching for relationship with the opposite sex. People with some reasonable social skill and intelligence, even if they are average looking guy, has a higher chance of getting something today than 10 years ago. Women in generally are looking for anything satiate the hunger and especially with people their own age. So go out and socialize
I see the same thing within my bar
Thought I was the only bartender seeing this happening.
It's so blatantly true that people today, that has some social skills and charm in general has a higher chance to find someone around their age today than 5-10 years ago
As bartenders, you guys are like the candy shop that sells candies without seeing the POV of the doctor that has to tell them they’ve become diabetic.
Older men have more resources and young men have no cash (and that gap is widening). This explains the trends you’re seeing.
@@PostClarity7 not true at all, there is significant more younger people than older people going out and using their money today. After the pandemic and two years with increased restrictions on alcohol sale and consumption, the older generation realized they could save more money and use it elsewhere. In Scandinavia they saw an increase in renovation of apartments and housing, where closer to 20 decrease in general service industries like restaurant and bars
The reason why a lot of bars are afloat is because of younger men. Specifically younger men, and not women, are using money less sparingly. Priorities of relationships, and desperation by some younger adults, means that alcohol consumption and buying alcohol to younger female adults ends up in favoring bars and the service industry
And don't take me the wrong way, I know I'm serving poison to people and benefitting from addiction and desperation. I'll go ahead and make a prediction that most bartenders will be frowned upon in 20-30 years, the same way tobacco industries are today.
@@PostClarity7 to point out something my colleague by trait probably forgot to mention: that even though there is less alcohol consumers in Gen Z, there is increase in sales by volume by the same generation. Which probably should turn on some sirens and red alerts for anthropologists doing studies on addiction and the subsequent role social anxiety has on alcohol consumption.
Speaking strictly of college-aged young adults, one of the biggest changes we've seen has been in education. The chatter mentioned it earlier, women are earning more degrees but it's in the social sciences and healthcare. There's always been a strong link between education/type of education and political ideology. A lot of what's being brought up might definitely be factors at play, but there's so many other variables to look at (including whether or not the constructs of liberal and conservative are the same and maintain validity across the past decade).
Although Atrioc does a really good job not showing this opinion, I do feel like the general vibe of this concept is "why are men getting worse!?!?" And not "why are men and women getting more different" or even "why are women getting worse"
that just makes the situation worse on all accounts. I feel like society at large alienating what is becoming the average guy is just going to make the divide worse.
affordability issues = radicalization to the far left and far right
I think with the advent of Tiktok and incredibly niche micro echo chambers, there's been a real revertion to conservative leaning beliefs amongst young men.
We can look at old groupchats and videos with slurs/racism/non-politically-correct content and say "it was a different time" but I think it's important to understand that people are still the same, and it is rather society that has grown past that. Why I make this distinction is because I think a BIG PART of the shift leftward on the internet/in society since then has been due to increased awareness of what we say on the internet (more people, more mainstream, more eyes watching what you say -> more liberal).
When noone cared and UA-cam was more niche, you could say whatever the hell you wanted, in the absence of moderation (or incentive from corporations to enforce decorum). Now there are (relatively) stricter content guidelines (formal moderation) and cancel culture (informal moderation). This of course drove the shift into public social media and internet culture being more politically correct. Rampant radicalization wasn't much of an issue because the mainstream and the far-right were isolated and seperate, so it was much harder to gradually move rightward.
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But now, TikTok and the rise of algorithms have essentially split the internet off into a million splinters on the political spectrum. Everyone is force fed content that uniquely aligns with their SPECIFIC political beliefs. There's also a constant negative cycle: people browse TikTok as "slop" when they are emotionally down/vulnerable. When served with content (either ragebait, or just politically divisive/culture war) that doesn't fit this microniche, they are susceptible to anger and radicalization. Before, there was the fear of social ostracization that suppressed these thoughts, but now, every comment section is filled with like-minded radicalized men and it is easy to follow the herd and get lost in a breeding ground of anger and loneliness. If you look at IG/Twitter/Tiktok now there is a place for every type of bigoted and racist take in the comments of EVERY post and I feel like that has been a recent development since 2020. There's no need to look at other perspectives or get educated or unbiasedly look at the big picture with no emotion + intent to learn, everything is political or emotionally charged now and you will have people to back you up anyways.
I think humans are built for organic social interaction with others of differing beliefs and experiences and the algorithmic social media slop is showing its heavy consequences on those who increasingly rely on it as a 1:1 substitution.
i dont think theres any 1 cause. its like chernobyl; it took a series of many things going wrong for it to explode. theres the pandemic, online school, lack of social opportunities, the rise of social media and its highly addictive algorithms, and so on. its really hard for me to watch my generation not even try, or at least thats what it feels like.
I’ve come to realize there’s plenty social opportunities just can’t say you’ll meet people in the same age group though which sucks, but there’s tons of ways to meet people
on the dating side, there is almost definitely an effect being had by the prevalence of social media and a reaction to the "Me-too" era of social media (not attempting to villainize or downplay the importance of women who have legitimate claims) that has created a fear that any attempt by men to meet women could be turned into a source of ridicule and shaming. I can absolutely say that friends of mine in college have expressed a fear that attempting to talk to women at a bar or during a class could end with their name or picture or recording being posted to a social media platform, such as twitter or yikyak or etc., and make them into a social pariah.
From my point of view, which may not represent others within my generation, I believe this divide comes down to the changing of roles. I think that as young boys grow up they have so much conflicting messaging coming at them. From the men in their life who raise them in a more traditional sense, they go outdoors, play sports, tough it out. I think that they really like doing those things, being close with other men, doing things they're good at and getting exercise. If the boys themselves aren't getting those experiences, then they see them online. However, on the flip side of that, there is so much being thrown at them in school and from the women in their lives that contradicts this. I'm not sure I would be able to put a finger on a particular incident, but it feels like there is a constant criminalisation of the classic male life coming from the women in our lives. With the crack-down on a lot of "dum shit" at schools, which is primarily carried out by boys, it further separates them while creating a sense of resentment for the institutions and the women who put a stop to it.
While these messages collide, I think young boys coming into adulthood are feeling lost as to where they fit into today's society. While they don't want to do any harm to the women in their lives, and they know that women have it harder, they can't help but feel like men have it harder. Boys now grow up in schools that are filled with female supports such as Women in STEM, Women in The Trades, teachers putting a lot of focus into solving issues they have, etc. These are all good things, and boys are in support of it all, however when they try and look for support themselves, they are met with a brick wall. They are told that women are the ones who need the support and that men have a leg up just for being men. While this may be true in the world outside of school, boys only see it from inside those walls. For them, they see their female peers getting all this extra treatment, and all this support, while they get told to man up, stop complaining, and get on with it. I think this, along with the dismantling and criminalisation of the traditional male relationship, leads to feelings of resentment. I believe that this sense of resentment being built over their formative years, carries into their adulthood as they keep trying to find community and a sense of self. From their point of view, the only place where they've felt that belonging, has been with other men, doing typical man stuff.
This is why young men around the world are starting to trend more towards the centre of the political scale. I don't believe that the men of my generation wish to hinder any of the progress women are achieving, I just think they just want the space to think for themselves and allow themselves to be men, and not feel bad about it.
This feeling and this trend of wanting progress, but needing some sense of belonging, leads them to push back on certain topics to preserve their image of manhood. This is what Andrew Tate and others like him are exacerbating and taking advantage of. Telling young men that the only way they will feel like a man or belong, is to do this.and that, treat women like that, etc.
Overall, I think young boys and men in my generation need support, they need people who understand their thought process and will give more help than "man up."
I agree and just purely giving my perspective on everything I think the phrase of “man-up” still holds just to what does that pertain for me, it means don’t get angry or upset over things outside of your control, you can only control your own actions. Calm yourself and discuss your distress in the politest way possible, if they don’t listen or care to change well so be it, you put the ball in there court but you should never expect change, you must Hope for change though. As the second your Hope dies so does your Will. But for saying they need a space away to be active and do the things they want to is good. Just remember to do things for yourself everyone once in a while it may not make sense or logic, but they’ll help in the long run. So for example if you already have a pair of headphones but you want try these new high end studio grade stuff, don’t shy away from it. Uhm if there’s anything you want to say or discuss let me know because I’m very interested on your what you think if I said anything out of line or that you disagree with.
P.S. very well put sorry if mine doesn’t come across so clearly lol.
23 y/o male here. IMO a contributor to the rise in “man-o-sphere” influencers that I don’t see talked about too often is actual the data talking about men’s loneliness and lack of mental health care itself. Often times there’s a huge amount of focus on the discrepancy between male mental health “access” (feeling like you’re able to be vulnerable with others) to female mental health which absolutely can create a deepening rift due to underlying resentment. Media dedicated to talking about these differences always acknowledge that there men are lonelier than women but rarely open a productive dialogue about it. As an impressionable young male, it can absolutely be disheartening to constantly see these things that are felt, based in (mostly) truth, and algorithmically served. There’s been such a large focus on the data that it really seems to be creating a source of anger and resentment for young men. The pseudo discussions that take place regarding these facts (think Andrew Tate) always point out the issue but never give productive conversation about how we should be working to solve them. It really changes the perspective on these issues from “how do we fix this” to a paradoxical “every man for himself but we also are unified under the solidarity of being lonely”. Really makes it into a sort of gender war. Sad to see but it does seem there is an anti-internet / social media wave on the rise recently, at least among the older Gen Z crowd.
To add a layer to the last part, it’s because they’re starting to realize how much it fucked with their lives.
Look at the graph, outside of Korea it's pretty much just women being radicalized.
I'm anxious to talk to new people. Especially in environments I don't know. Hell, it took me 6 months to start to talk to my colleagues outside my team. Imagine the difficulty to talk to someone out of the blue, somewhere, anywhere. I just don't know if I know how to do it. If there even is a "how to" when connecting with people
Whatever, I guess
But! The crazy thing is the language I use. When I'm speaking my mother tongue I'm super anxious, but damn, I switch to English and I could sell ice to an Eskimo. What the fuck is that?
Opposite for me for the language thing even though I'm native in both lol (Polish and English). Maybe it's a cultural thing? I've first hand experienced multilingual people often drastically shift their tone/gestures/etc. depending on which language they're speaking (even when fluent in both).
As a 18 year old I think the point that you made at 12:07 is so true. Maybe it’s not that the romance is different, It may be intimate connections in general. Honestly there’s not anyone who knows me better than my therapist. I have best friends from elementary school to senior year of high-school I’ve only talked about surface level things with like video games/substances. I think talking about it with others my age is really the best way for us to heal.
Hey Atrioc!
Female GenZ here, not sure if you will read this but certainly I've seen a lot of normal people slowly radicalize and feel forced to join one group or another due to social media, and family/friends who join a certain political movement. A very democratic school so people who were republican ended up feeling oppressed or in the minority, and banded together in their own groups and became more hateful or spiteful against the other groups.
In terms of dating - yeah, almost all my friend group is single. Might be because they are all remotely working and unable to meet anyone, but also terrible comments by men about their appearance /and or needing a girlfriend to be the stay at home mom trope or take care of trope has made them not want to date a man. I hope this small insight is useful!
My female friends (GenZ) have ALL talked about the disgusting approaches they've had. One of my friends has had a fraction of dating experience yet all her relationships included abuse of some kind. Tons of gaslighting and stalking after the breakup. Complete denial of reality and how they are in the wrong. Blaming anyone other than themselves for issues in a relationship. And when they break it off, they come crawling back, gaslighting them while having their similarly redpilled friends send her paragraphs to help propel a false narrative. It's disgusting since this wasnt something I ever experienced or seen 7 or 8 years ago.
The stay at home thing is common in gen z ?
@@testacals Yeah, not sure if its because of the rise of Andrew Tate or what, but a lot of males my age have regressed into feeling women are less than them, and maybe should leave the money to men. I think if you've been on any instagram reel recently about a single woman who makes money, travels, or doesn't have a desire to have kids/date ends up getting a lot of hate - mostly from men, but also from parents.
I've had my own experiences in relationships where men are purposely incompetent and end up cooking, cleaning, and doing menial tasks around the house and decided to go it alone. I'm not sure how many other females were in that situation as well
@@RaeneYTsource: my ass
How is 50% conservative male radicalized but 98% liberal women not?
As a gen z man, the life ive lived has changed my view of social progressivism. Myself personally, ive began following a path of traditional liberalism. Being with my wife and my children in a more stable "conservative" lifestyle feels safer than the future we have to look forward to. From an economic standpoint things do not look good for us, nor do they look good for our children.
Speaking with some guy friends in the UK, many feel annoyed about social programs catering to women, especially when coming to jobs. Jobs trying to fill gender and race quotas, leaves young men who are already struggling to find work in this economy even more out there, and like they feel demonised in certain fields
Yep and unfortunately instead of getting mad at the government who’s neglecting them, they get mad at women for getting the help everyone deserves. Tale as old as time about a bad parent favouring the golden child while the other sibling grows to hate the golden child because of the parent’s actions.
@@cahan557 never thought of that analogy but its really good
@@cahan557But wasn’t it the women who wanted the programs that unbalanced things in the first place? The “government” is the people not some fuzzy entity. Women fought for “equality” by only supporting programs that supported women. Of course men are rightfully upset. Women literally created systematic governmental sexism in their favor and still have the nerve to claim men are privileged.
@@cahan557 You can't demand changes and then eschew responsibility when they are implemented. It's like convincing your little brother to poke a bees nest with a stick, and then blame the bees for stinging him. Most women support these political movements, so they absolutely do bare the responsibility.
@@user-og6hl6lv7p women never demanded that men be abandoned by their government. You can’t be angry at women for advocating for their own needs. If the government cut all social programs for men to pay for all social programs for women (they didn’t but even if they did) the problem isn’t women, its the government and politicians who don’t care about any of the people and are just doing the bare minimum to appease whatever the hot button issues are. In line with that, there probably will be (likely conservative) political discourse and promises about cutting spending for diversity programs to fund stuff for men which won’t be about mens’ wellbeing but just to appease the next hot button issue.
It’s a false dichotomy. We don’t have to pick between men being happy or women being happy. Get angry at your government for making it seem like you have to choose.
Gen Z is very isolated and a lot of it is because of the lack of matching interests. I like a specific 4 games and 2 TV shows out of the 4 billion and literally cannot relate to people who don't feel the same way about the same entertainment.
I could personally name at least 20 each of my favourite songs/games/shows within like a minute. Maybe your interests are just limited? Surely you have things you're passionate enough to talk for hours about and just need to find someone who shares that.
I think there are tons of factors here, most of which others are touching on. I think for a lot of young people, the Tate-esque narrative is a simpler, easier sell given the rhetoric in politics related to men today, compared to more nuanced feminist takes.
In college, I went to a few sessions of a male discussion group at a religious club (despite not loving the idea and not being religious) because a friend invited me. It was really striking how many of the young dudes there - who, if it helps to picture, were the Patagonia-wearing outdoorsy kinds for the most part - expressed never discussing their feelings or self-doubt because they feared being judged, but they were comfortable speaking in a dedicated all-Male space.
I think the podcast example was funny, but it accidentally touched on one of many possibilities: that there aren't that many dedicated male spaces in society, especially compared to female-dedicated spaces. This isn't talking about distribution of wealth or power, genuinely just small-scale social spaces. When I describe this male discussion group, I feel like I have to couch it in small disclaimers, because I think your average person sees that as cringe and possibly very conservative. I think this is one area that could be improved on
So your saying being soy and moving to Korea is guaranteed gf.
definitely not
@@yungsagejitsusounds like something somebody who doesnt want me to be soy and move to korea to get laid would say hmmmm
Am a Korean (0.001% according to my ancestry record) soy-boy lover, can confirm this is true
Go try it out and let us know how that goes for you
likely the opposite. young men could be gravitating towards conservative values due to young women responding to those values
Some great discussions going on here in the comments. Not seeing much hate. Very refreshing
I went to an interview just a young guy who just turned 20. Went to mercurys coffee for the interview. It was deeply uncomfortable I walk in and theres a coffee bar for employees leather couches no problem. EVERY single person in the building was a woman. Just kinda surrounded. They sat me down across from them and had an interview but i was just sitting there for 15 minutes before interview with younger age women probably no older then 30.
I didnt get the job but prior to this i usually thought guys had it harder and this only felt like it confirmed it. Like no guys. 😊
I feel like growing up and especially in College “men are the problem” talk was large and it was discussed in many core curriculum classes that this was the case. It was harder to get scholarships from the financial aid center as a man and many on campus jobs hired more women than man. This for sure made me bitter because everything is expensive and I received less support because men before me had it better than women. I understand that women my age had little do with that but still “they have what I want and that makes me angry” is an easy mindset to fall into
Idk why but I feel compelled to answer to this. I work in an international public organization and they made clear that in equal candidate adequacy, the female candidate would be chosen. In my dpt we are 30 girls 5 guys.
Also more women go to college in general so there's that
I think a large part of it is where men get there media from. I also was shocked seeing how serious the divide was. Personally I attribute this to something you mentioned on stream. Once people start to show interest in something, our socials will continue that path. Since 2016 I think more young men have been curious about right wing ideas and it’s since pushed us here. I’m sure it’s lots of things but I think we seriously underestimate the power algorithms have over our thought processes. I just think about the kids growing up with tiktok on for hours a day. Kids are getting access to tech at ages where we don’t have the skills to separate BS from good ideas
I really think it was the sjws and the anti-sjws. Kids raised on tumblr furry porn went out into the internet with a strong presence up until they were met with a strong backlash in 2014~2017. It was a pick one of 2 sides issue that was omnipresent in the lives of people raised on the internet such as gen z.
It’s the way gen z is (and everyone) is putting themselves in echo chambers knowingly and unknowingly dangerous combo that will not bode well
I also had a lot of struggles with sharing real and deep conversations with my friends but recently I developed friendships with some girls and I like those friendships so much more just because I feel like I won’t get judged and those topics come more naturally somehow.
I used to have friends but that all changed when I got myself into drunk driving accident.
Part of the reason that dating is harder for men is that men used to be able to get away with the bare minimum because women couldn’t provide for themselves since they weren’t able to enter the workforce. Now that women are actually able to make income and provide for themselves, men need to provide more than just having a paycheck isn’t enough unless you are absurdly wealthy, so men need to put a lot more effort into other aspects that men of the past didn’t need to. I think the most prevalent example of this is the increase in male beauty products. Before men didn’t need to put as much effort into their appearance, but now it’s more necessary
8:20 isn’t it obvious that these days more kids are public schooled than ever before, cities suck and aren’t walkable, the school day doesn’t end until 3 or 4 and there is nowhere people can go socialize for free for the few hours left to the day. There was always a problem with people being isolated, the internet was just the last nail in the coffin. If kids had places and time to hang out they would and we wouldn’t have any of these problems.
I’m so fucking lonely, man. I have an incredibly hard time talking to new people. I’m just so awkward. I don’t know what to say or how to act. It stresses me out really badly, so I just don’t do it. I kinda feel like I’m going to be alone for the rest of my life.
Move to Japan.
Jokes aside, there are dozens of people around you who are in the same boat, men and women. But you just don’t notice them just like they don’t notice you. You just gotta look at it a different way
As a person who was too young to vote when brexit was happening I support the statement “brexit was dumb” to me it just seams like not being so close with Europe is just going to be a pain in the ass
In every other scenario, having a society/country with different politics will at worst, lead to civil war, and then secession, resulting in two societies/countries.
They exist in equilibrium by having a physical border drawn where opposing ideas dont cross, in the form of politically legislated laws.
you cant do this if your two political factions are split down gender lines.
a country of only men and a country of only women isnt going to exist for very long, one side will eventually subjugate the other or come crawling to the other side (watch the show Survival: Men vs Women)
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Its odd that the FT chose to cut the graph at the inversion. I find that to be such an important point. That historical women have tended conservative and men liberal. So this inversion is just grander.
I think the growing narcissism definetly isn't helping either. Since the rise of social media, it has been a lot easier to get "attention" because you can just post and get likes and comments. Combine this with growing anxiety and then there is less and less of a reason to truly socialize with other people.
I also think growing up with movies an tv shows( which has been watched and seen a lot more by new generations) in which you have these perfect men and relationships also raises expectations of their future boyfriend/husband.
And then if you combine this with other women empowering you "not to settle" its probably a reason women are getting pickier.
Also I think the new generation has been growing up with the idea that you and your happiness is most important (which is important of course)
However this makes people a lot more selfish and thus they will do less for others and thus people grow more distant.
Also because of all the distractions like gaming, drugs and media etc etc. Emotional processing is also way worse. And at least for me, when I feel depressed I become less empathic and more selfish.
And of course depression has also been on the rise...
People who instantly generalize like "All men..." "women ☕️...." are just seriously lost and confused.
It’s actually wild how painfully accurate everything said in this video is like shit is rough outchere
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just a thought. there r so many things that play a part in it (mental health, loneliness, other points atrioc touched on), but i think that r generation is the most easily-influenced that we’ve ever seen before. with social media and the accessibility to scroll thru hours of content of other ppl living ‘better’ lives than you, i think it’s become normal for ppl to try to be someone they’re not. the ‘hive mind’ that this causes just turns a lot of ppl who were neutral, into ppl who r strongly conservative or strongly liberal and widens the divide.
Through my involvement in competitive gaming I've had the opportunity to talk with the younger generation more and what I've noticed is that their self-esteem was generally very low. The number of self-deprecating comments I've heard boys and young men make about their competency, their intelligence, their looks, their personality, and even value as a person has me worried for them.
Both men and women don't empathize as well with men as they do with women, this has been documented in multiple studies over decades.
Wearing a „Put your money where your ❤ is“ sweater while simultaneously wearing an Enron had is another Big A Classic
I think its very telling that the assumption and conversation here centers around young men "Being radicalized" as they move closer to 50/50 liberal/conservative or have stayed relatively consistently slightly liberal (ignoring south korea) while young women are sky rocketing to 80% liberal and the inverse isn't even considered
4:19 - i relate to this a little hard. i wasn’t born into wealth yet im grinding away at many different things and trying to stay afloat. not easy.
Mental immaturity and being exposed to the extremes of politics, and the feeling of needing to fit in and pick a side being pushed on younger and younger people
I come from the generation that migrated into playing games more then going outside. Until 12 years of age I was playing soccer on multiple teams and was involved with our local league. So everyone in the community knew me. So I have always been super social. Seeing the change for kids always playing out side to video games has had a huge effect imo. Yes you are still talking but it about games. Your not at the field with your friends in person talking about life or girls anymore.
Good to see that most people men and women want things to change, whenever we realise that we aren’t each other’s ennemies and manage to work through our differences, I hope we all find someone good to connect with. Intimacy and romantic relationships are essential to mature emotionally.
If you’re a guy, work on yourself enough to be presentable and try to meet people, most girls won’t like you but be open to the ones that do.
If your a girl understand that mistakes are inevitable and we (men) will definitely fuck up. Most of us just want somebody to love, don’t look down on our mistakes, don’t assume we’re creeps, assume we are inexperienced (within reason) and we will be infinitely grateful.
Growing up it was ridiculously easy to find right-winged content. Hell, the content found you whether you wanted it or not. Be careful of the feminists they said, they're gonna go out of their way to accuse you of SA, be annoying, and ruin your life for being a man. Even if I knew most women wouldn't act that way, and I still have to meet anyone who would act anywhere close to that, it might have subconsciously done something to me. They were older and seemed like they knew what they were talking about. They must have been speaking the truth, right?
I recently realized that most of the things I know about dating and relationships come from the internet. There are and will be many things the younger generation internalizes because they heard them so many times online, without them necessarily being true.
Yeah it took me a while to get out of the red pill shit because in 2016 all the memes were angry feminist yelling or something
If you grew up today watching this shit+ Andrew tata ect it will be even harder and it's sad because 99% of woman dont act like that and you just miss real connection with people
South Korea graph is fucking wild
I had to check multiple times that my playback speed is normal
Got to lighten up this comment section…
Uh… 🦅🦅🦅YOU’RE DANM RIGHT WE ARE DIVIDED 🦅🦅🦅THIS IS AMERICA 🇺🇸 AND I can’t keep doing this