[Q&A] Goa Inquisition : Lest We Forget | Shefali Vaidya |
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Madam ..I request you to conduct such talks everywhere in the country ......That would educate the masses.
The best thing we individual hindu in can do is ...telling this story to our family and our friends ...I m goan hindu ...if I travel outside goa I tell this story to peopl I meet
I m Goan hindu and whatever she said is true story of Goa ....my grand mother who lived in portugues era ...narrated same story ....that people were forcefuly converted ....our temples were destroyed and churches were built on it ....it includes Xavier church ....rosery church ...nd many churches ...the problem with goans is that most of the schools are run by Christians... they promote Catholicism ....and our goan history is not taught in goan books ....evn if u discuss such topic with Christian they wil nagate this and wil say we are proud catholic ....because agreeing to history means bringing bad name to Christianity and they wouldn't want it ....
What is the point in living in the past. Talking about Sati, Dowry etc. Yes it's history.
If the present generation is hurt by what the Portuguese did centuries back go to Portugal & take your revenge.
No one will stop you.
But your out dated talks will disturb the minds of present youth who are so ambitious to move ahead in life. So also the present Sr. Citizens are very different they love experiencing new things in life & love traveling the world. This shows who cares what the Portuguese or British or Dutch or Moguls or Arabs did.
Today Indians are all over the globe living a happy life with their families.
Madam you & few of your followers can live in the past but pls don't disturb those people who want a peaceful & happy life. Bcoz we live a life only once.
Thank you.
@@frankancypereira9426 no sir...we should always remember our past and learn from it...You may not want to ..but we want..We are Indians first
To : Kevin John,
I am an Indian & Love my country & its culture.
I see your point : " would like to know the past & learn from it. "
Let me ask you, what are you going to learn from your past.
Tortures, killings, hunger, imprisonment without trial, humiliation - Yes the work of freedom fighter is worth remembering " God Bless their Soul." But they never got it in a silver plate.
Pls don't remember its heart breaking. But move on to a better pasture have a big dream & be ambitious for an excellent future. Your past will disturb your mind & might even be a hindrance to a happier life. Our ancestors faced turf time to gift us the freedom we live today.
Thank & pray for their souls 🙏 RIP.
@@frankancypereira9426 ..I will learn and ensure that such things will not and should not happen in future..
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
- George Santayana
out of context
Lesson is Hindus of the world unite!
@@user-lv1wn5wq7n YES YOU ARE OUT OF CONTEXT
False history by shefali.
@@vivacristorey4728 Let us hear true history from you.
22:46 Regarding conversion in Christian education institutions. Kanyakumari district in Tamil Nadu was the pilot program launched by the missionaries. The travancore king (a devout hindu) donated land to missionaries to establish educational institutions, so that his population could be educated.
the situation now is. All these old educational institutions are minority institutions, still subsidized and given special previledges. Out of the hand full of hindu teachers i had in my high school, most of them were converted, essentially to become full time teachers. New staff hiring to the colleges is strictly from the same denomination of christianity. This is not acceptable in any sensible democracy !
can you please tell name of your high school one any other ones in similar situation
Rakesh Kumar watch this ua-cam.com/video/cVCb1C-smE8/v-deo.html
but it is force, inducement and lies here. And still ppl not facing any repercussions.
Hindus won't, or shouldn't, have a problem with modern education and know-how being disseminated. They do rightly have a serious issue with denigration of their Indic/Dharmic heritage, and the use of education as a cover for proselytization or conversion.
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We Hindus should give back at same scale.
Educate your children my friends... keep the fire on
I never knew these facts, Thank You Srijan Foundation for bringing this up.
Meenkashi Jain has raised a very good point, which we need to introspect
The best thing we individual hindu can do is ...by telling this story to our family and our friends ...I m goan hindu ...if I travel outside goa I tell this story to peopl I meet
I m Goan hindu and whatever she said is true story of Goa ....my grand mother who lived in portugues era ...narrated same story ....that people were forcefuly converted ....our temples were destroyed and churches were built on it ....it includes Xavier church ....rosery church ...nd many churches ...the problem with goans is that most of the schools are run by Christians... they promote Catholicism ....and our goan history is not taught in goan books ....evn if u discuss such topic with Christian they wil nagate this and wil say we are proud catholic ....because agreeing to history means bringing bad name to Christianity and they wouldn't want it ....
It isvery sad, very pathetic, that I, who finished high school in the 1960s, did not know ANYTHING about the history of Goa till I watched the movie starring Amitabh & Zeenat Aman came out. That was my FIRST taste of the truth about Goa. That has kept my pain & hatred for this. And it is a universal thing. Even MY PARENTS, whose GENERATIONS INCLUDING THEMSELVES, had gone through the muslim & christian atrocities, refused to talk about it. I am now trying to tell my grand children about it. I still have great difficulty in convincing my CHILDREN about this.
Show them videos from our channel. Ask them to read Swarajya Magazine. And the most significant book of recent times is a book called "Avarana" by SL Bhyrappa. It is on the horrible times of Aurangzeb and a contemporary story of a liberal Hindu woman who marries a muslim out of love -- and what hell she goes through. The original is in Kannada, but there is a brilliant English translation. Please buy many copies of 'Avarana' and share with more and more people.
Poonam Abbi shut up you low caste hater.
49 nishant
how tf do u know that he/she's a low caste hater?
come on, it is about how open you are to read widely and acquire knowledge from whichever source you come across. I didn't learn this from school, but I did hear or know of this from history books decades ago.
What sent fireants up in your undies?
Being a konkani, this resonates so much with me. Haven't felt so moved and emotional in a long time.
False history
@@vivacristorey4728 who are you and what credentials do you have to call my history false?
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I'm moved too!
The best thing we individual hindu can do is ...by telling this story to our family and our friends ...I m goan hindu ...if I travel outside goa I tell this story to peopl I meet
I m Goan hindu and whatever she said is true story of Goa ....my grand mother who lived in portugues era ...narrated same story ....that people were forcefuly converted ....our temples were destroyed and churches were built on it ....it includes Xavier church ....rosery church ...nd many churches ...the problem with goans is that most of the schools are run by Christians... they promote Catholicism ....and our goan history is not taught in goan books ....evn if u discuss such topic with Christian they wil nagate this and wil say we are proud catholic ....because agreeing to history means bringing bad name to Christianity and they wouldn't want it ....
Start a petition to get the Pope to apologise. Will give us a huge boost
Imran Atheist ....
Pope to apologize! Are you making fun of Pope?
Popes don't do that unless they get money out of it.
Christian missionaries have done this in many countries.
To them it's akin to introducing civilization into the dark (skin color) world.
It was a huge industry in the 16th to 19th century.
All kind of people were recruited without background check and all the criminals and pedophile entered into the system. Hell a Lula.
Stories of suffering, from American aboriginals to Australian aboriginals and anywhere between India, Africa, were tell tale of the Pope atrocities.
Sure how about an apology fro Krishna who could have prevented fratricide and genocide but chose that moment to release his opus magnum on predestination and dharma on the eve of the war. Seriously! We are human beings first, language is acquired, where we come from is an accident of birth, what we do to improve the lives of our fellow travellers and not some dead idiotic human being someone anointed as God, like the broke ass Venkatveshwara who borrowed money and couldn't pay and so his followers pay his debts at Balaji, bankrupt beliefa, bankrupt practices. Mythological figures parading as Gods. Use your education and stop believing this utter nonsense.
ritsin.com/lord-vishnu-borrowed-lord-kubera.html/
Charlie Bottle Your inability to grasp subjective imagery as such is a great symptom of your poor educational background. I choose not to indulge in pig wrestling with you
Hey Charlie, puff, puff and pass it on. Don't keep it to yourself.
Your view is as ridiculous today as intelligent design or flat earth hypothesis.
There is nothing mythology in ancient scripts except they'er manipulated by the invaders. We've come a long way from Max Muller's era. During the last 14,000 (since the Vedic era) years or more India has gone through many invasions and invaders weren't humble, intelligent or moderate people. They were mostly savages who destroyed and manipulated most of the Indian temples and holy scriptures.
Religion is a concept, an ancient science where seekers of knowledge come together with hypothesis to form an idea about who we're, what is universe and how does it function etc. Even after all these events nothing need to be taken in its face value. Many things were used metaphorically.
But even after gone through those atrocities Indian Scriptures are much better than any other fables from the middle east.
If you have time go through the following link. Very interesting one.
realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/White_people.htm
imran atheist,
Is this the line you use when you lose when wrestling at the akaddha? How do you know hkw educated I am when you don't even know me, your handle is Imran (a muslim name) you are an atheist as per your handle but you are arguing for hindutva, are you a troll or a bot? I guess you feel inferior because you cannot debate besides throwing four names. That is OK, "hum bhi kya yadh rakhenge ki aap jaise gyani se palla pada tha!" Om Shanti!
proud to hear the contribution and efforts of Shivaji and Sambhaji....god bless the souls...
Shrimant Sanjaye The happiest period for Goa was under Kannada Kadamba kings and Kannada Vijayanagara kings
Shivaji and sambhaji maharaja contributed hugely
Thank you for shedding a light on this horrible past!
Being a Maharashtrian and now the daughter in law of Goa, it was a huge deal of information about the entire Portuguese Rule in Goa.
It was a very emotional talk, indeed!
Just one request, please address the Maratha rulers as Shivaji Maharaj and Shambhaji Maharaj.
The POPE will Never apologize to the Hindu's since we are not a part of the Abrahamic religion family, it takes guts and great fortitude for a Pope to be that great to apologize to the Hindu's for the massive atrocities and deceit committed by the Church, People need to force the church to apologize.
@Sheetal verma agreed 100%😭. I don't need anybody's apology. It is not going to bring anything back. And yes , in some ways I'm disgusted with it, we didn't just lost people but alot of things and it cannot be undone 😭
@@ashkumar3208 a weird thought occurred to me Ash, that we are talking of Goa, only because it made some sense to talk about it, think about the lost lands like Pakistan, Afghanistan. Hindus are expert in losing grounds, Hindu religion can only compete and co-exist with Jainism and Buddhism which are Dharmic religions(unorganized and individualistic). Otherwise, we always find ourself defeated when it comes to Abrahamic (organised and herd mentality) . Even Atal bihari vajpayee said this that we are divided too much on many levels ,thats why a small clan from Ghazni came and looted us . So either Hinduism need a organised reform so as to maintain its existence or become lost like other lost religions.
@@amaysharma5408 no I digress from this topic actually....the real reason is we lost because of insiders helping them(infact I must say our ancestors were pretty strong "Kshatriya" jatis especially , because wherever they went it was concurred pretty soon in a few decades, but with Bharat it took them almost 6-8 century approx. and that too later got destroyed by Marathas.).... secondly the talk of "we"(as in Hindus comes only comes now)....the different jatis(tribes) never actually were united(and even if they were it was because of common interest which is true to this day). Common folk never participated in violence (at least not at a scale of how these abhramic people do it, yes that includes not just religion but the idealogy which is the result of it , i.e. , communism, socialism, atheist, etc). Thirdly, it's is not that I'm totally disappointed, because perhaps if you realise most of the jatis are coming forward (even in the name of "Hindus") , many have done "Ghar wapasi", we need to be patient and wait . Fourthly, I really do think that there is a big room for Hindu-party(not just BJP , but 10-20) and yes not to forget "gurukuls" if(this is just my wish ok?) I want at least one gurukul in every village of the Bharat only then we will be able to teach next generation about us....we don't learn these things in school that's why.
@@ashkumar3208 forget about disagreeing/ agreeing from you ,
Mai to yahi dekh ke prasann ho gaya ki apne 5 mahine apne purane comment ke reply pe bhi reply kiya ,it shows that you are both conscious and concerned enough to this cause.
Hats off
Yeah, I'm Christian and I have been forcing the priests and leaders to at least acknowledge and apologise for what the Church and done and leave the people of other religion alone and let them practise their own religion.
To answer Satish: Infinity Foundation guided by Rajiv Malhotra (@RajivMessage) from Princeton is doing a phenomenal work in establishing a systematic group of like-minded people dedicated to doing research and debunking the bias against hinduism in the West and western institutions. Some other group from Chennai is also doing similar work in recovering Dharmic culture and works.
Brilliant talk. This needs to be brought into Indian text books for Indians to know the real truth
Good job maam please spread the message more.
This message must b fully spread all around in Goa we must know the fact about our past
Thank you The Q&A session was also very well balance and your Down to earth approach was excellent of ack ground realities. I did a sort of Back to Roots study for my Family -originally in a shift from Gulvady Village in Kundapur Taluk to Trikannad ( name is split as Tri-Kann Nada) Land of tri netra Shiva in Old Hosdrug near Mangalore - Kanhangad. and last generation to Tamilnadu!! WE maintain Saraswat customs with great regard .
I made a study over two decades and some notes on Kodial gaon -Mangalore ...now completely changed .
Long subject but briefly
Life and Travels -esp in a seafaring job taught me that when all is said and done, just 2 Factors finally dominate most of mankind's action and behaviour viz;.
a) External threat, Fear i.e. Security threats due to Aggression and shifts. Few stay is a fact - Nomadic life really ..
b) Basic Living or even Poverty which sees Human beings gather together as Groups for Mutual safety and security with some comfort in daily life-esp at the village and the campfire culture now lost .--- Affluence changes ideas and seperates People -isolates them. Complex subject. Today Heritage is greatly lost in a Pot pourri or Diaspora of People
Congrats to you for the wonderful Awareness talk and QA -thank you
Rgds
TR in Chennai
Never forget never forgive .
As you are a racist Hindu. I am preoccupied with uplifting humanity you and your ilk on the on the other hand not much, good luck keep watching this idiot she is your ticket to nirvana and a restoration of The great Civilization of India, The Great Vishwa Bharat that spanned all the way to Java, Sumatra and Borneo. Good Bye Suckers!
Have a good life!
Thanks is why the jews are the most hated community and they are a screw loose in their minds. I have several Jewish friends and I know what they are going thru. hahhaha
Charlie - Super good. People get misguided and they are mere feeble minded and cannot think out of the box. If everyone channelized their energy to build a great nation - that would be appreciated. Rather than going down in the muck and pleasing their politicians and getting carried away and getting succered. The politicians make money and common man gets nothing but a disturbed mind and indirectly affects his health.
Criminology 101 nation and church both should apologise
World should apologise Hindus
Yes so shall the Catholics and Muslims will not forgive if you don't. Eye for an eye, we shall drive you Hindus out of abroad countries now how about that?
Even this guys are awesome. They really care about things
Knowing the events bit by bit must be so liberating...
Goan Hindus have differences with their Coastal Karnataka Hindu brothers though both are born from same umbical chord (kulavi) and in most of Goan temples one can witness rift among the trustees and kulavis. The basic issues is about no sense of unity among hindu communities. This is the main reason for invasions. The christain converts are now more united and follow the diction of the church whereas the hindu communities spend time fighting with each other for temple trustee posts or for temple development work or community development.
they are different because of christian and portuguese influence
a weird thought occurred to me Mahesh , that we are talking of Goa, only because it made some sense to talk about it, think about the lost lands like Pakistan, Afghanistan. Hindus are expert in losing grounds, Hindu religion can only compete and co-exist with Jainism and Buddhism which are Dharmic religions(unorganized and individualistic). Otherwise, we always find ourself defeated when it comes to Abrahamic (organised and herd mentality) . Even Atal bihari vajpayee said this that we are divided too much on many levels ,thats why a small clan from Ghazni came and looted us . So either Hinduism need a organised reform so as to maintain its existence or become lost like other lost religions.
You hit the nail on the head.
Sarke uloilo
We stil have this caste issue among us .....that advantage is taken by others even in cancone we have every temple run by particular caste
Wch sometimes hurt others so we need to tak out this kind of mind set
A good apology from the Pope would be to make a speech that the Goan people's ancestors were forcibly converted, and he should recommend that they go back into the Hindu fold. (I am a catholic)
Charlie Bottle is this what you say to Jews too?
she did mention that the pope was not involved and it was a political decision by the rulers of Portugal. What is certain is that the top class Hindus were never converted but only the lower caste and some few upper castes maybe. In which Case these top class Hindus who also invited AA to Goa should apologize to the Goa Christians who were a predominantly weaker force to fight or run away.
Rica Rod that's not what she said, the pope orchestrated the inquisition
Bruce V
Which Pope, go dig up his corpse and ask him to apologise. You are like a child throwing a tantrum and making ridiculous requests, just to please your puny ego. Go away you silly bugger.
Charlie Bottle the current Pope can do it.
Great points raised by shri Satish ji
Let's stop calling Ramayan and Mahabharata as mythology... puranas is the ideal word.
Bharatiya Hindus today have no idea about such horrors because our true "itihaas" has been whitewashed in our text books, academia and media by (starting from) the colonial masters to current-day leftists/secularists in our successive governments. So you can't blame the people alone, although I agree people should own up some responsibility for turning a blind eye to our itihaas. As with the goans, my first-hand experience, is most Portagee goans are still daydreaming of leaving for Portugal (or England or elsewhere), not realizing that the economy & living standards in Portugal is down the toilet and people of Bharatiya origin are being treated like thrid class citizens in Portugal. They think anything is better than being in Bharat. I guess that can be said pretty much of (most of) the christians in Bharat.
Anyone is welcome to leave the country if they feel, they will be better off elsewhere. There is no better country than India for the minorities. This arrogance should stop. Otherwise leave and that will be good riddance.
You are a bundle of twisted logic. The Christians have been blamed for Conversions and their places of worship have been desecrated in most parts of the country. Cow ban is similar to the inquisition. There is ethnic cleansing in some Christian dominated states which cannot be denied. Remember that Pintos were the first to start a rebellion against the Portuguese but when it comes to eating our cake now, you will not hesitate to blame the Christians for your twisted and witty logic. The Christians are migrating to Portugal and so are the Hindus. Do you think the Hindus are happy in India? This is mainly because of your lazy attitude to live life in the name of religion. When you don't know to dance you blame the dance floor. You will bring this country to its knees with that attitude. Your type was present before the Portuguese and for that reason, you will bring India to its Knees with all that superiority complexes that you live in. The Superiority Complex is because of your inferiority and insesurity to suirvive the competition and thus use religion to protect your commercial needs
The comments were not necessary directed against Christian community. However your comments are out of line. Cow ban is not inquisition and there is no ethnic cleansing of any minorities. To some extent it is the other way around. Cow ban provision is also part of constitution right from the beginning. A few unfortunate incidents by some miscreants cannot be used as an excuse to malign the whole majority. Christians are well respected and Christmas is celebrated nationwide. So don't create unnecessary problems. No matter how you put it, coerced conversions of majority will have to stop and is unacceptable. Religion is a matter of heart if you are able to understand. It is not about numbers. This business of only membership in certain religions will provide pathway to salvation is not rational. So whats the problem of Hindus migrating to other countries for better prospects? And this is not because of lazy attitude due to religion. On the contrary belief in Karma/Action acts as a motivating force for people to travel abroad for livelihood. No one has superiority complex the way you put it.
No one can bring India to its Knees. That's all very silly. It seems superiority is in your mind. Try to understand concepts of other religions also. You won't be converted, it will only enlighten you.
When there are people who criticise our constitution and is accepted by her as true, Why can't I bring in issues that disturb me and express my opinion? What I feel, is what I wrote here and above.These are my feelings. Please go through the discussions and find out who is blaming whom? It is as if after 70 years this group has suddenly become intellectuals.The minority upper caste always plays the victims when power has been concentrated all these years with them. They should have integrated with other castes and become as one community if they wanted such unity.
Really shocking, we should start a world wide campaign, and send out Maharishis to all corners of the world to proseletyse the world to hinduism. We should start wirh Pakistan and make all those muslims who were hindus before they were converted on the edge of the sword. We should convert them with the rudra mala. Then we should convert the whole middle east, persia, russia, any country that has a Stan at the end of its name. Lastly we shouuld make the whole West Hindu. What a glorious day when the mantras are chanted the whole world over. It will be the great world wide hindu civilization. Sanskrit slokas taught in every school, a mandir on every street corner with its own pujari and many, many vighrahas. Then only this kalyuga will end and a golden age will be heralded.
Best solution
Let Us Become Good Hindus Ourselves
In the book Hindus in Goa published in 1923 described in great details the Portuguese perspective on India/Goa and dwelled a lot on Marathi-Portuguese relationship. Given that this is written by a post-liberalization Portuguese judge it is likely to be much more unbiased.
1. Pacts. Shivaji's father Shahaji made a not-so-formal pact with Portuguese. When Shivaji was yet to become the force he was, Shahaji had already suspected that his family might run into trouble. As per the pact, Shahaji would let Portuguese mind their own business and in return Portuguese would take neutral stand in future conflict and give shelter to Shahaji's family.
2. Reliability of trade. Portuguese had a natural port of Vasco in Goa. They hoped to buy stuff from surrounding regions and then export it to other parts of the world. However Maratha forces were at a constant war in nearby areas which lowered the productivity of the region. Portuguese hoped for peace and made whatever concessions Marathi forces asked for.
3. Concessions. Maratha forces and traders affiliated with Shivaji's empire had access to all the trade routes that passed through Goa. In certain cases without any tax and for most cases with much lower tax.
4. Geography. While for most people today Goa is about beaches and party; Goa of olden times was mostly a tribal region with several islands,r ivers and rampant with dangerous wildlife as well as mercenaries. It is always hard to launch a campaign in a region like that especially when there is nothing of significance to gain.
These talks need to be dubbed in Hindi and other Indian languages and circulated widely.
The Portuguese people, suffered from massive earthquake. This earthquake destroyed Lisbon. Today Portugal is almost " Nothing" in europe.""KARMA ""
People should be reminded that Goan is their identity and not Xtian.
Absolutely. And that they come from a Hindu and liberal and universalist worldview and creator/creation view of life -- something that neither Islam nor Christianity offers. Advaita. Everything is Conscious. All that is manifest is Divine.
imran atheist , CORRECTION : THE GOAN PEOPLE SHOULD BE REMINDED THAT THEIR ANCESTORS WERE HINDUS !!!
I agree my ancestors were hindus, and animists, and nomads and hunter gatherers and came from Africa. But they were my ancestors, they are not me, as per your dharma, I am a soul that inherited a body, a place, a language and a tradition, it is not me. I can like my ancestors who left Africa 65000 years ago claim the world as my home. Good luck with the career you have made spreading a fanatical hatred and your love of your religion and traditions and to all who wish to wander in darkness, offering foods to God's and pour gold into temple coffers while billions suffer from poverty, sickness, ignorance and disease, when you face the real issues leaving India in ignorance like corruption, inept politicians who hide behind a false nationalism, and religiosity, then you will have something good. Until then, your message and life in the greater scheme is meaningless.
Charlie Bottle on comparison, would you choose any other religion over Hinduism and if yes why
imran atheist
As an atheist you probably believe that which is defined cannot be God. Let us go back into history to decide which is the best religion, is the one which created apartheid even before the term existed the best religion? The caste system is one of the most shameful system of denigrating other human beings in the world. How can people be so ignorant and proud of a system that reduces a human being on the basis of a profession with absolutely no ablilty to redeem this generational condemnation is beyond me. Forget that they coat this uncomfortable truth in a stupid concept of predestination, anyone in this day and age that believes this nonsense then deserves to be treated the way these rosecolored revivalist hindu neofascists want to portray the world as one where hinduism was a benign religion of the golden age where the sunkings ruled, with the prayers and support of the different castes that were treated equally. Tell this to the Dalits of India. This presenter who so evocatively spoke in English is a product of a unifying education that was a gift from the British, because if the British never came, the Brahmins would have been the only ones educated. Which explains why people flocked to Buddhism, Islam and Christianity, because it levelled the playing field of life to a greater extent and not because they were bribed, or payed or inquisitioned as we are being made to believe. Why follow a backward looking religion of myriads of God's who cannot smell, yet they offer them flowers, who cannot eat, yet they offer them food, who cannot see, yet they light lamps before them. The blindness is not within the idols it is within the people who cannot see that these idols can do nothing for them, they are folklore of people of an ancient people that became the mores and folkways of illiterate people who made every thing they saw in nature a spirit and a God. Apologies are due from your Hindu Pope if you have one behinning with Sita as the first abused woman and womankind, followed by all those of the Shudra castes for the abuse endured by them at the hands of all castes above them to the point where even their shadow was anathema. Apologies are due to Gandhi for he was assasinated for his hindu faith and his belief that we are all Harijans, by a group of hindus. Where should we begin this litany of apologies and greviances, from centuries ago to the present, where a false nationalism and aa belief in a nonexistent civilization is destroying the secular fabric of India and seeks to destroy the constitution and the ideals for which hundreds of thousands laid their lives for us to be free from the yoke of colonaliasm. Go ahead destroy India, the Pakistanis and Chinese are waiting to splinter India into small nation states, just like we were before the colonialists came, we will invite them to fight our modern day Afil Shah's and Rajahs and Maharajahs. India if this foolishness persist will become worse than Africa, used and abusef by everynation under the sun, because of corrupt, greedy selfserving leaders, we are already halfway there. m.timesofindia.com/india/india-slips-in-corrupt-nations-list/articleshow/63036179.cms
Jai Hind! Satyame Vijayathe!
Portuguese atrocities in northern coastal region of Maharashtra was cruel and heart breaking.
The Governor of Goa Vassalo da Silva kept to sword on his casket to protect His from destruction while he had already surrendered months ago
This situation of conversion can be only rectified if Hindus stand up as a unified community and become very aggressive and assertive. They have to be very vigilant without any political correctness and demand action from the government in power. They must insist even constitutional amendments if necessary.
I second that.
That is part of it...the other part is more material. I think we all know what needs to be done. There has to be justice for the Dalits and then charity work for all other people.
Too often, we Hindus will stick to our families and not treat others with the same kindness when in our scriptures it tells us to have charity, compassion and justice.
A religion without charity cannot last. Civilizations collapse. Hindus have collapsed before and if we Hindus don't take care of the stranger, the down trodden, we will all fall.
They don't teach all these things in Indian History. Inquisition, role of Marathas like Shivaji. Sambaji etc must be included in the new history of India. Progress without proper historical perspective is hollow. New generation must insist for revision of Indian history to reflect reality , so that minorities also become aware of their ancestors' predicaments and persecutions.
We don't need bloody apology but to return our texts artefacts. Second stop the funding of separatists and missionaries. 3rd accept the false caste system sowed in the mind of Indians.
LONG LIVE CHRISTIANITY .
Dharma will always win. No matter what. So trust, talk and fight for what is right. If we do not fight, our children will be slaves again.
Past is past, but we don't need apologies from Portugal's. All that we need is a strong government in our country to set right these things through a LAW
Never forget never forgive
12:39 The Christians hindu's still preys...That is awesome. They still remember their roots.
Now all this is still happening in Kerala under Left rule. Coming to infighting, I don't think anything is changing as we can see from this Lingayat issue in Karnataka.
Modern World He didn't said government of India but by the government of Kerala , both governments Congress and leftist, especially by the leftis playing a major role ,as you said Christian institutions and employment of middle East playing a roll but all these can control by a powerful government or have to be that's all ,these two are playing for poletcian benefits only
I'm a pure goan...this history matches with the one my mom narrated to me this is true!
Thanks for Uploading! Very informative!
The way to maintain whatever is left of our heritage is to build a TRUTHFUL NARRATIVE free from any of the sickening seculary bogey gang's noise and present it in a PROFESSIONAL MANNER - the way Shifali is doing!
India needs thousands of Shefali Vaidyas to move forward in this direction!
My understanding is MadhyaPradesh Govt is a true Nationalist Government free from bias against any Religions or Sects or Castes or Creeds!
I would suggest Ms Shefali Vaidya directly talk to the Chief Minister and bring it to his attention about mass conversion of poorer section of society by Christian Missionaries by devious means!
Gade murde nahi ukhad rahe hain. Conversion is a reality which is still rampant in almost all parts of India. Majority of north eastern states are under severe pressure and have converted to mostly Christianity. Conversion is happening in Assam where demography is changing in favor of Islam due to illegal immigration and persecution of Hindus in this day and age. And government it seems is either helpless or indifferent. It is also because of dishonest and anti national politicians as well as ignorant voters.
make more video madam dont leave it here this is the first time i am hearing about portugese dont stop i am a north india i was never interested in goa history i just thought goa is just fun place thats it.
When are such lecture conducted. I want to attend them
The guy at 28:10 makes a great point.
For me as an European this talk was quite enlightening - having read quite a bit about the Inquisition in Spain. Generally I find these Srijan Talks very interesting as India is one of the many subjects I know very little about :-) My impression is that Indian history and culture is basically too gigantic a mountain to really understand it from outside. But as they say - every little helps :-)
Please try to read more about Inda, not written by biased Westerners to suit their agenda, there are equally good writers like Darlymple who did a lot of research in digging out what really happened
A great service to Dharma by Shefali. My only request to Shefali is to slow down a little and give pauses so that the audience can absorb and digest the material.
Eye opener!!! Best wishes.....
Aisi kitne Hindu Samudai aur Hindu kshetra the. Jaane kaisi kaisi yaatnae sahi humnein.
That is why i collectively refer to all these sick bastards and maniacs as WESTERNERS.
TIME for redemption Now. Mrs. Vaidya we will do it on a global scale .
Jai Hind 🌈
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The word PURANAS .....must be encouraged
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Shefali Vaidya is finding this topic; quite rewarding; of 'lest we forget' regarding Goa inquisitions and many other historical excesses committed by Christians and muslims.
But I suggest that YOU see what is in it for you, as a citizen of modern India.
BTW, there is another similar movement out of which people in India and abroad have made full fledged careers. It is known as 'never forget 1984'.
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Great work lady.
You have good command on subject related to Goa with lot of integrity.
Quality of questions r also good. 🙏🏻
Indians are so divided among themselves that it becomes cake walk for foreign powers to come and conquer India.
That because they identify themselves as indians first and hindus later. Everyone else is axtian. momoin first, anything else later.
Until this mindset changes in hindus they will continue shrinking and dying off.
Congratulations Maam. Listening to your talk and your Q&A upset me terribly but you have maintained your composure throughout goes to show the strength of the background you come from. Bravo maam
I say past is more important than present coz it makes us think and act in a certain ways in present times which shapes our future..
Thus reclaiming & recognizing our past history & set the record straight through history books & syllabus is more important than "Vikas" or "Saab Ka Saath Saab Ka Vikas" initiatives ..
Development without Self-worth is useless ...Self worth can only comes from our Civilizational philosophy & Identities.. Resurrection of past glory should be the initiative of any govt. in the centre
I have been the part of the population who celebrated santryo from birth but I understood the real meaning of the festival after watching this. Feel proud to be a cuncolienkar more than ever .
Also tell us what the hindu kings and elders did to protect the subjects from invaders.
....it Should also have been mentioned that Goan Christians played an active part in Goan independence movement.... despite conversion they remained sons of soil and didn't became Portuguese stooges
I'm writing this comment...doesn't it make you think and gasp even after 1000 years of killing. .. looting. .conversion we are still 80% thriving and just watch were Santana Dharma will be in 30 years time...just by teaching the Truth...
Forget about Reparations or saying sorry, the Portuguese tried to start anti-India "Freedom Movement" in Goa after they thrown out by Indian Armed forces.
Wow..so freshly narrated even after 500 years 🙂👍💐💐
I am Ashamed to call myself a Christian
Cuz you aren't one. If you were one then you would realise that though those crimes were committed by people who Proclaimed themselves to be Christians. Did the Holy Bible or the word of God ever allow those people to do so? Or were they done by themselves against the will of God .
Don't be ashamed, just do what is right.
@@cavaleiromoderno1543 exactly
Time has come to scan every inch of india to come out this fact.
Pope must apologize and high time for Grand gharvapasi...... with grand welcome.....
very informative vdo,please make a vdo on the actual crimes committed by this man called st francis.
Very good knowledge mam.
Something every Goan should know. But I firmly believe that it’s extremely difficult for a religious nation to become a developed nation.
How can I attend your meetings and how would we know about your next talks so that we can also present ourselves there as audience.
respected sangam talk kindly address shri shivaji as shivaji maharaj and sambhaji as sambhaji maharaj as we are discussing this topic today in independent India !
What an informative video. I really wish Vivek Agnihotri or someone make a movie on it so it reaches to the mass! More power to all Nationalist !!
Goans can Hold Passports Of India and Portuguese ..They can be residents of Portugal ..I think...
No we Goans can claim Portugese passport and give up the Indian passport. We can't hold both the passports at the same time.
THanks, Shefali.. for providing a glimpse of pathetic past of Goa history.
The body of Francis Xavier is not his but a stolen body from than Ceylon now Sri Lanka. Christians asked the Catholic bishop to do DNA test on the body to clarify if the body is of Asian origin or European origin, wherein the present Goan bishop refused for he knows the true history.
In Goa, Portuguese could easily convert to Christianity entire population of islands.
They were soft targets.
Mostly it was only brahmin families who could sail out of Goa or sometimes to cities in Goa not ruled by Portuguese with their deities.
Mrs Shefali vaidya is right up to certain point I agree about Portuguese inquisition in Goa right but sorry to differ about history of Goa before Portuguese conquest of Goa the konkani gowda saraswats and saraswats to which denomination of Hindus she claims to belong were originally inhabitants of saraswathi river banks now defunct they were sea faring brahmin merchants who were doing business overseas in ships naturally they were fish eaters the kadambas king of banavasi invited them from North to perform havya Kavya and ashwamedha yagnas they came but confessed they are not versatile in vedic practises so kadambas king gave them permission.to be Brahmin merchants who could improve the kingdoms economy through trade then after advent of time river saraswathi dried up there was Muslim invasion from North West and all konkani brahmins came and settled down in konkan coast south Canara and north Canara of Karnataka and goem which was at that time under the rule of Kannada kadambas kings of banavasi history is evidence then the Portuguese inquistidors at the behest of Vatican church cemetery conquered Goan konkan coast with their gun power converted the kadambas queen and Goan people including konkanis and their soldiers forcibly married local girls to days Catholic Christian population is the consequence please don't think the Vatican Catholic church is very innocent and very kind to day west is blaming Muslims as cruel rapists Catholic church and its adherents from Europe have been more cruel result you can see in south america Mexico Goa etc where ever these papists went there were inquisition.chambers in Vatican and their member churches even today Catholic church wants it's denominations to believe earth is flat like a plate and pope is sitting in the centre
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How many of you know that in pre-colonial era Garuda was worshiped in Philippines and other Asean countries?
Christian missionaries had tried destroying complete pre-colonial history until few years back when some golden ornaments with impression of Garuda carved on it were found in some pre-colonial graves as there was a culture prior to the Spanish colonization, the Filipino upperclass society, warriors, common people and slaves wore gold even to their grave.
It's a conversation more than a Q&A...
I was born Catholic, but gave it up once I read some of the crimes commited by the church. An apology is long overdue.
But am still a fan of Christ and mother Tereza.
One of best video
In 1961 during the indian action the governor general ( Not vice - roy) Vassalo da Sillva may have placed the sword on his casket to save Goa from destruction . As vassalo da Silva had surrendered . He didn't want destruction of Goa and st. Francis did save Goa from destruction. So you know...st. Francis Xavier is protecting goa against all atrocities
A professional chair on dalit atrocities
Poor chap surrendered against his President Salazar's orders to save himself as well of about 4,000 of Portuguese soldiers. Back home in Portugal he faced court martial.
Looks like the shameless Rajdeep gets slapped almost everywhere. Good to hear "I don't share the information that Rajdeep Sardesai is a part Goan. To say that he has Goan roots hurts me"
Name of book please. And how to buy.
Inquisition musium is a great idea.... We must unite to get it established
Its sad that we never get to learn our real history in schools or anywhere.
What is the part of Shivaji Maharaj. In Goa?
Well informative talk
It wasn't just zeal but a continuous rebellion from Hindus the bloody struggle of Desai's , Rana etc for example the 12 chieftians of cuncolim we're Desai's
Madam please conduct this talk in goa
There is a remarkable difference between a large # of Muslims rather majority and Catholics of Goa. The Muslims of subcontonent glorify the invaders. Whereas the Goan Catholics have a rather objective outlook about Portugese. Whereas the Goan Catholics are more religious than majority of Muslims.
Always Mention Shri Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj And Shri Chatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj. 🙏
With all due respect ! Madame, as you mentioned " 5:12 " The Portuguese monarchy ended on the 5th October 1910, after this date there was no viceroy but a governor in Goa. Hence, Manuel Antonio Vassalo e Silva was not a viceroy but a governor, 1958 - 1961. " Period ."
Well done research but maybe there could be some facts not clear mainly 1) what was the lifestyle of all Hindus prior to the invasion? Were they united as one Hindu community? 2) what were the implications of inquisition on Muslims and their lifestyle. 3) How the so-called Vassal of Portuguese which consists of mainly Hindus who gained favours from the Portuguese by which they were given land etc and were not converted. She should have taken up these issues extensively, although she mentioned that in her answers that some Hindus were not happy with one another and that lifestyle needs to be elaborated to know exactly how life evolved among the Hindu community. Today the Hindu is empowered as compared to those times and telling him only one side of the story will make him ask for immediate justice as if there was total peace within them in those times.Which was not the case because of the very fact that Timoja took help of the Albuquerque because his people were not happy in those times. This is the most important factor or which Shows that Hindus invited the Portuguese into Goa with open arms and some ruled them through a proxy. So those who were driven out will write one story and those Hindus who were part of the Portuguese administration would write differently. Some will criticize Rajdeep Sardesai and laugh over it ...
1. Hindus were doing good in all fields including trading across the seas.
2. Hindus were united under on faith.
3. Muslims came to India and got absorbed along with the original people. Initially there was violence but it subsided with time.
Those days much better than the Portuguese rule.
Will you agree that Christianity is not originated in Goa but imported?
Will you also agree that the Portuguese brought it Goa?
Today if you are told to convert to any other religion other than the one you are practicing will you convert?
Just imagine about the people of that era under what circumstances they were converted. It was forced on them. Hence they were going back to their original practices and resulted in establishing court of inquisition.
Even sir catholic were involved in goa liberation movement .....because they started facing racial discrimination they were not given higher position like bishops..and also in govt post ...they protested also in Portugal and finaly joined freedom movment and It is true that goans invited Portuguese to free them from islamic ruler that ruled goa ....but goans never thought that Portuguese wil colonise goa ....about difference among hindu ..it is there in every religion ....Roman catholic and Protestant.... beliver ....are enemy to each other's belief .....muslim have Shia sect Sunni sect that keep on fighting.... so in goa we had caste system but that doent mean goans were converted their will ......many fled to other states ....our temples were distroyed.. the main blunder is we are not taught this in our school ....everything sugar coated
Madam I was told by one of the translator shri Mahadev Hede from shiroda that Lord nagesh devasthn the only temple where Portuguese dint touched .as he personally visited on my requeste because the king sounde of Bandora had blocked the way WHICH we were using for years. He also told that Lord Nagesh devasthan exist before Portuguese came to goa .and also there was one ARTICLE written that only nagesh devasthn Portuguese DARE to touch .this records available in our devasthan which shri Hede who is 83 YRS old man told me. He might be true.
Why don't we make a film and release let the public know how native religion being treated by western religion and effect if the same in subsequent india.
I m Goan hindu and whatever she said is true story of Goa ....my grand mother who lived in portugues era ...narrated same story ....that people were forcefuly converted ....our temples were destroyed and churches were built on it ....it includes Xavier church ....rosery church ...nd many churches ...the problem with goans is that most of the schools are run by Christians... they promote Catholicism ....and our goan history is not taught in goan books ....evn if u discuss such topic with Christian they wil nagate this and wil say we are proud catholic ....because agreeing to history means bringing bad name to Christianity and they wouldn't want it ....
If people of Goa had kept slaves or bonded labourers even before the Portuguese appeared on the scene, then we will need to apologise to those slave folks of ours..our history and our civilization..Apparently they escaped slavery by converting to Christianity..
No there was no slaverly only bonded labour ....peopl were taken from goa as a slave by Portuguese in Portugal .....and bonded labour continued even during Porrtugues rule
Problm with history is ..the victor writes it ... unfortunately non of our ppl made an account of all the events .. we should have.
खूप छान वाटला तुम्हाला ऐकुन पन शिवाजी आणि संभाजी नावा पूढ़े छत्रपति लावण चुकीच आहे का ? तुमच्या बोलन्यात एकेरी उल्लेख आलाय खूप वेलेस
I think I saw shri Tapan Ghosh ji of Hindusamhati at 2.15 in this video.
Well said , sir you should join hands with swadeshi Indology confrence Now the need to bring Hindus to track
We Hindus have a identity crisis thanks to colonial Theory ( Aryan Invasion ) , we need to have a single Hindu thought to unite
Please take stronger steps to debunk Aryan Invasion Theory
You and swadeshi Indology confrence are doing good work , I appreciate your approach , but we need more pro Hindu organisation co ordinate with one another and unite Hindus
India is a Secular Democratic Country. It was originally made up of Dravidians (dark people) in the South and Aryans (fair people) in the North. These people came over the Ghats they were Mughals. Due to the Nazi war the German Jews came to India. Mr. Schlesinger started the Indo-Pharma Pharmaceutical Co. The Tata's were Persian from Iran. Tata's owned Air -India and made the "The Little Maharaja" world renown. We had the Chinese come to India during Communism. The Burmese came over, Bangla design came over during the conflict in Pakistan. We had the Dutch East India Co.,. The British East India Co., The French, Spanish and Portuguese come to India. Indian Kings used to broker an alliance with them to defeat each other. The influence of these cultures helped Indian Migrants assimilate in these Countries. The Prime Minister of Portugal is of Goan decent he is from Margao, Goa. The Conquered rose to be the leader. The Kadambas were Jain. They originally ruled from Chandor it was the Golden Era in Goa, they traded with the Gulf Muslims. They did not trust the Hindu Brahmins but we're convinced to marry a Hindu Princess to control their Empire. What is Shefali's video where she mentions RSS meant to do? 1) Scare the Catholic Brahmins into converting back to Hinduism ? Shefali and your Friends need to leave 'Susegad Goans' alone. May the God of All Goans destroy the Evil doers. The woman of Goa and India should make sure that the old Barberic Traditions of SATI and other traditions are not revived by Shefali and her angry friends who are filled with hate and revenge. Leave my Goa alone! Get help for Your hate and Anger.