Honestly I think a lot of folks need to grow up and accept change. I haven't watched MJ in years and while certainly the changes are questionable I accept them. People get so worked up over the littlest thing
@@TylerCritti you can atleast have an understanding about why those changes were made and respect them. A harsh reality is that things when you were young will never be that good again. That goes for everything.
no. if we do that, we are going to get shit. its rare to see FELD make a actual good change. when enough people rant, the change won't be done. have you noticed all the empty seats in the crowed? have you noticed multiple independent tours/leagues are more sold out than MJ (even their speedway shows)?
As a drag racer, the call with Bari Musawwir was a fair call. If you don't have your vehicle staged deep enough and it rocks, you will roll out of the beams and you will unstage. If the tree activates before you can get back in, you're out.
World Finals II is so great because of the way the event completely falls apart and its awesome. Also they cut Seasock's interview from the broadcast and apparently during the interview Seasock was hella mad so there's another fun fact
If the Gun Slinger Orlando screwjob is on here, I can say 100% that the replay showed on Speed in 2004 was NOT the angle they showed/cut live.The angle used that night was right on the finish line. Gun Slinger had a small lead going up the ramp, when both trucks were in the air his lead was.increasing. There is no way physically possible Grave Digger could have passed him in the air when he was losing ground to Hartsock. I was sitting in a section closer to the start, and Hartsock's wife was in the section next to us, passing out 3*5 hero cards. For the final round she walked down to the finish line to get a better view. After the race she came back in tears and there was a pretty good chorus of boos from the crowd. It was obvious what happened. I still hate myself for not taking a picture of the replay screen (which ironically was the first year the Citrus Bowl had it, go figure).
I hope MonsterTalk does a career video on Hartsock. Dude came so close to winning the very first World Finals racing championship, seemingly hardly got to Freestyle when he was there cause of the truck breaking in racing, and then also missed the Finals a bunch of years
@HammerTheHummer Yeah, even the local radio show mentioned it the week after. I almost stopped following the sport after that to be honest. Definitely not as closely as I did before. They let him freestyle for about 5 minutes that night, I don't think anyone was going to tell him to stop after that stuff.
There was also the controversy involving Neil Elliot and Dennis Anderson in the championship race in Orlando back in 2010 when there was a light flickering malfunction. Same goes for the shutoff of Dennis after he slapped the wall in the Metrodome back in December of 2004.
I don't know that either of those are really controversies. Neil was pissed but the video clearly showed the light malfunctioning, so it was no one's fault. With Dennis in Minny, again he was pissed but the rule said if you touch the wall you're done. He touched the wall so he was done.
To me Monster Jam died when they got rid of the crush cars. A lot of the thrill was through the crush cars being run over and the replacement of cars with extremely high flying BKT tire stunts ironically seems much more dangerous with how close some of the landings on those tires reaching close to the grandstands. To me that mentality of extreme air stunts are what is going to lead to Monster Jam having a major disaster involving spectators comparable to other types of motorsports like the Le Mans disaster for 24 hour racing or the Ramstein disaster for air shows, far more worrisome than a bunch of crush cars that aren't stacked up or using winnebago's that have a 1 in a million chance of hitting spectators or track crew.
Not only that but the fact that they straight up lied to us about the drivers summit being where "all would be revealed" at but that never happened is straight up dicking on the fans who are already upset about the Cars being gone and so on is just plain wrong. Monster Jam needs to get there shit back together or this sport won't last much longer. Too much controversy will create immense backlash and then companies will fall and die out which us fans don't want.
crush cars screw later drivers in FS. as since cars ya know crush, early drivers get an advantage. mid to last drivers left with beaten flattened cars to try to make something happen with. dirt doesnt crush on the other hand
@@harveylong5878 right but usually at the Monster Jam events I grew up with (Metrodome) usually they brought spare cars and other vehicles to crush in case more got wrecked early on during racing. Of course the Metrodome was one of the top venues for the sport in 2000's so the managers running it likely had more budget for it so maybe I am biased towards that idk. Either way the crush cars provided a challenge that I don't think dirt or trick only freestyles can truly match as it's as much of an endurance test for the driver as it is for the machines itself. Trying to work with and overcome physical objects impeding your vehicle on top of needing to do stunts to wow the audience is a sight I'm sad is becoming rarer and rarer at monster trucks shows as a whole.
I would say. Force the name Slinger but Saigon Shaker (a name referring to WAR bombings) and having the national guard stationed out front with automatic weapons for security (posing with kids I may add) is pretty damn hypocritical.
I respect that you didn't list any deaths or injuries that occurred at Monster Jam events, such as the Natural High Tacoma Dome 2009 incident, but I really feel like those are necessary points in Monster Jam's history. Once again, I do respect you for deciding not to future those tragic accidents, but they changed the way Monster Jam works even to this day. It's just one of those moments where you don't know if it will help or hurt to feature it. Past that though, great video all the way.
@@AlanNadeauIII I agree with you on that, like the almost immediate without notice censorship of guns. They literally forced one of the greatest icons to change his entire interview style due to that, being the late, great Scott Hartsock, and his (Gun)Slinger.
An interesting video I would want to see would be trucks that were either delayed from debuting or changed as a result of infamous tragedies. Examples would include Maximum Destruction and Inferno being delayed a year as a result of 9/11, And the truck "Sniper" who many may remember from Crash Madness 2 being renamed to "Incinerator" as a result of the D.C. Sniper Attacks.
@@bigyodatheman Oops. I meant to refer to Hot Wheels planning to release an Inferno toy around the same time period, But due to 9/11, They released Flash Fire instead.
World finals 2 is actually my favorite world finals to date, but the controversies made perfect sense at the time. In retrospect I'd argue a lot of the past controversies make the event more engaging than it would be otherwise.
2004 World Finals freestyle should’ve been on this list. Tom and Jimmy had the best runs that night but Medusa and Lope just had one spectacular moment and somehow won
I got the amazing chance to judge a triple threat event a few years ago, two days later we were invited to do it again, when I met morgan Kane he thanked us for coming back, according to him the past judges did such a bad job that even the officials were confused.
I think people give World Finals 2014 a bad name. Though the track was mostly dirt, there was still a lot of cars. They cared about the paint design. They also still let trucks run while broken, and I don't mean just broken, I mean destroyed. Madusa was demolished and she kept going until she got hung on cars. If they brought back that track, I think everyone would be very grateful.
The problem was that the dirt mounds were too clustered. And after a handful of freestyles the paint lines were destroyed and the drivers could not tell where the dirt piles were as everything looked the same from the cockpit. You can see in the later runs guys are just jamming the throttle right into the sides of the dirt mounds because they have no idea where they are. Something like the 2017 WF freestyle track was more spread out and was not terrible for FELD's anti-crush car policy.
@@Howard.Stern. Most of the trucks that jammed the throttle into the sides of dirt mounds that night were the trucks that freestyled after Todd Leduc in Metal Mulisha. You could tell that they were unsure of just how to top the run that Leduc had put on and so they went as crazy as possible, but ultimately it just didn't work out.
@@Howard.Stern. I see what you mean. Now if they had added more cars to the 2014 track it wouldn't have been as bad. I also miss when a truck would roll over and the officials would let them try to save it until the truck died. I guarantee you if people stopped showing up to shows, they'd bring cars, and truck breakage back.
@@furioussherman7265 If you look at the dirt layout for 2014 there was not enough room to move on flat ground. They changed this in future World Finals by widening the flatground areas and removing a handful of the ramps and mounds. So even once the paint is run over and gone you can still tell where you are at least.
1999 Nashville monster jam when Carolina Crusher clearly beat Bulldozer(Meents) in the first round but they gave the win to Meents to promote the Dennis Anderson vs Tom Meents rivalry
Monster Jam has no excuse not to use cars period. They've never been a safety hazard. Independent companies use cars a lot. They have the money to get the cars too.
I absolutely loved World Finals 2. I watched the PPV broadcast and saw all of the craziness. 3+ actual hours of a Monster Truck event that had one thing after another go wrong and them make everything up on the fly. I also liked World Finals 3 on PPV because they used to be live and unedited. Those DVD's they sell of those WF's are heavily edited. I wish I still had those original PPV broadcast? Do you happen to have or know anyone with those original unedited PPV broadcasts of WF 2 and 3?
on the topic of the fans being allowed to judge I honestly say they need to go back to what they did back in 2007 where they had their own handpicked judges because the "fans" have been notorious for giving someone a load of points just for going not even 20 seconds and doing a "questionably" insane wreck and this was big back in 2000-2003 with Tom and Dennis specifically because if any one of them came out and did that in freestyle they won immediately that said my 2 most hated things are fan judging because they always rig it no matter what and the removal of crush cars because crush cars are what made monster trucks famous and yes I'll happily admit that Bigfoot started it all with that and removing them from monster trucks removes the identity of it all and honestly just ruins the fun factor because it was much more fun watching someone hit a bus stack than jumping from one tabletop to another
Well it's also the fact that I beleive the BKT tires get cut and puncture very easily from metal. They started to fade away from cars once those tires became a sponsor and used by the trucks.
4:06 I don't remember which World Finals it was, but I remember a similar thing happening between Neil Elliott in a Max-D truck & John Seasock in Batman. John won after Neil was shut off. They redid the race, Neil won & advanced, Neil was booed, & John was mad!
Monster jam post 2010 sucks, one of my favorite trucks was Gun slinger and I couldn't even find the truck because they changed its name to just Slinger, half the trucks I remember are retired, crush cars are non existent, and free style has had its balls cut off, I remember when trucks would break off wheels and keep going, they would count it as a points multiplier, now if the wheels break off they hit the kill switch
The Costa Rica 2018 weekend was kind of controversial because of the production, instead of using a track over the football grass field, they laid the track on the running track. Too many people wanted to boycott the event and asked for a refund. That did not prevent the event from taking place, although 4 years have passed and they have not returned.
I've often said with fan judging that it was best in like 2016/17 where you had professional judges, then they tossed the high & low, then added a fan score. Use judges zone, but have some automatic deductions that get appled to every score. Like in minimum 30 second run for any score in Freestyle, then 1 point off for every 10 seconds left on it. For skills, 5 points deducted for only doing 1 SUCCESSFUL trick or 0 for none in a stadium (6 for only doing 1 trick, 3 for doing 2 in arenas). If they did that, then I think it would be fair as the "Digger points" (or anyother truck/driver favoritism) from the fans could be averaged out.
It's a pre programmed part of the lighting system they used. In drag racing it's a big foul to back out of staging lights once fully staged. Not a glitch in the system but probably an oversight in the planning. The rules were dictated by the technology in that situtation.
World Finals II felt great watching it live. But seeing where the sport is now, it's pretty disappointing. What Monster Jam and most monster truck racing is now just isn't for me. I'm not going to say is trash because clearly some still really enjoy it. It's just no longer what it actually was supposed to be. I'll just keep watching the Army Armstrong days over and over again.
I've always felt the officials tend to get trigger-happy with the kill switch. If all the wheels are still on, the truck isn't dumping all its fluids and nothing is on fire I say it's fair game.
I think Todd LeDuc should've won World Finals 2019 Freestyle. He measured the stadium with his truck, then had a momentum filled run. But look at it like this. Linsey Reed had a good run, but SO many others had better a run than she did, and no one else took the lead. Brianna Mahon should've taken the lead because her run was AMAZING. I honestly think Todd should've won though.
@@GraveDigger35 He had a consistent run filled with big air after that. I know Linsey had more momentum but her cartwheel save was nothing compared to Todd's jump or Brianna's multitude of saves and her momentum. By the way glad to see you on here, I've been watching your channel for a while.
Monster Jam will never get a dollar from me until they patch things up with BIGFOOT. How the hell they won't let the truck that started it all in the event is beyond comprehension? Guess all the trucks in Monster Jam are a sellout though.
WF2 was controversial? I've never heard this from any one before. I think the most controversial scoring personally is neil elliot getting robbed. He should have a freestyle championship.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon lololololol, gatekeepers? Elitests? More like people who appreciate the design and craftsmanship of these machines and don't appreciate the wreckless abandonment of trashing or running over another truck for no reason. Pretty much every person who drove or was involved with the sport (and many who still are) before this happened hated the abuse and mindless destruction of equipment. Get out of here with that bullshit.
I cannot understand how the WF 20 DQ is so controversial. It’s not like an official was just eyeballing it and messed up, it was a computerized system. A red light is a red light. There’s never been a re-run of a red light ever, not even for a Grave Digger or Maximum Destruction. (Okay, there was the time the light flickered in that Grave Digger vs Maximum Destruction race, but that’s different.)
Fan judging is a two-edge sword. The pros are it obviously creates more interaction and participation from the fans and more fun to somewhat have an impact on the scoring. The cons are it will generally favor the more well-known trucks for a somewhat bias judging. I personally like it as it creates interesting discussion with the group you're attending with and it's more engaging, which is good for the sport. In the end, it's supposed to be fun for the fans and I look at it as the drivers have the races to compete with each other with an unbiased judging while the fans get to feel a part of the freestyle which is the most entertaining to watch.
Anyone remember an insane freestyle run by Grave Digger in the mid 00's where Dennis went til the truck broke? In his interview after he said he did it because he broke early the year before at that venue and wanted to make it up to the fans. I have no idea what show that was,I'd love to see it again because it blew my mind as a kid
I think they should not let fans be the judge I mean it is cool but from what i seen when I watched it the judging seemed biased to maybe the favorite trucks
The Manchester 2019 one was just sad like really I thought they used gym Matts and I feel bad for the people who went if where to go to that show and saw that track and I would have walked out right away
it's no different than removing the crush cars and replacing all the dirt courses with the stupid tabletops it's not true monster trucking if there aren't crush cars involved
I remember being at the world finals 15 talking to other Grave Digger Fans I couldn't find a single person that actually liked that purple The Legend design. I'm so glad that didn't happen lmao. Also Remember the IronMan v Max-d controversy. When they announced the Rerun of the race, everyone booed. Can't say i'm surpised Feld let their favoritism win out over actual competition. I'm just glad Meents didn't win that time. Odonnell was robbed by feld.
I think judging should ALWAYS be professional. Specifically from 2001 to 2014, every world champion was clearly the world champion. You knew a run would win if it did, and everyone was happy, save for 2004 with Hot Wheels and Madusa's scores.
Fan judging kinda just ruined the sport. Say Monster mutt had the best run of the night, then Grave digger comes and just wins the competition by just doing a donut and not much exciting. Personally I think people just vote for the popular trucks because well, their popular than others
the main thing that got people so hyped about this motorsport was the ability for them to crush cars with ease.. it's sad that the biggest tour that showcases these machines are taking away the one thing that got them so popular in the first place
The WF 22 Racing Championship could've been included as well given that the track was mostly dry until the final race. I personally didn't like that but there was obviously no choice but to run it in the pouring rain Also, I've seen the purple GD the Legend truck on Google but I thought it was just someone's custom concept. Glad that it was disregarded because it does look terrible.
@@bigyodatheman Of course, I just think that the outcome would have been different if the track stayed the same for the championship race as well. It was an awesome race to the finish though
I don't think I've watched MJ since around 2008 but I used to be into it a lot as a kid starting in the late 90's. I went to a small show in Durham NH in 2003. I remember a couple of the guys trucks broke and they were sitting a few rows ahead of us. I wish I would've talked to em.
Monster Jam sucks now they dont use crushed cars. USHRA was founded on car crushes back in the 80s.. Hotwheels monster trucks live is a better show for they have car crushes
Having a scoring system in general for a meaningless championship is the most controversial. When more than 80% of the trucks In competition at the events are owned by the “governing body” there is nothing legitimate. I’m sorry but there’s nothing more controversial than that. It’s just wrestling on wheels. Purist to the actual sport would agree. I’ve not taken a single MJ champion serious since the motor madness days. While bragging rights are great for the drivers it honestly leaves monster trucks in the sports entertainment realm and it makes it nearly impossible to cross back over to the TNT or Penda days
I’ve attended many many events over the years and I can recall several times where an opponent of a very popular truck would appear to intentionally lose in order to pair up a popular rivalry for the championship race. I wish I could remember the particular event but I even remember the truck that was supposed to win the event experienced a mechanical failure and stopped short of the finish line and the intended loser, knowing he was supposed to lose, stopped because he didn’t know what to do 😅
I was there in the McDonald and Meents round in the world finals. It was absolutely atrocious, reminds me of the infamous New Orleans versus Rams game in 2018 LoL
Not his call, though. After 17 tries I don't think he cared lol. Sad it happened but you use a drag racing pro tree you go by the rules of how it works. Same thing happened in the semis and they granted a re run, guess they weren't going to give the benefit of the doubt twice.
All though I hated the purple grave digger the legend truck design I did hope we would see it run a few times or at least once at the world final’s encore.
Pro tree lights, pro tree rules. Rolling out of the staging beams indicates a delay to stage as an aggressive act to the other racer in drag racing. Not the intent here, but it's the way the lights work, and the round before the same thing happened and the rerun caused cam to redlight himself, so I can see where the officials wouldn't want to delay any longer as they are transfixed on time points. Sucks that it happened, but that's the way they are setup.
The staging beams are not designed for monster trucks. They simply weigh and rock too much and easily trigger the sensors. During some of the world finals in Vegas (I think 2014 was one of the years) there were drivers complaining about tons of DQs or problems with their trucks not staging properly.
Part 2 needs Orlando 2003 racing Orlando 2010 racing New Orleans 2004 Monster jam world finals 2004 with three champions or Creten being mad that his truck was taken out
A controversial moment that I feel you left out of this video is Dawn Creten not winning the freestyle championship at World Finals 9. Now, Adam Anderson and Dawn Creten both had two of the most insanely, incredible and memorable freestyle runs in Monster Jam history. HOWEVER, I wholeheartedly believe Dawn Creten should've been a Monster Jam champion on that night NOT Adam Anderson. I don't think any favoritism played a part in the outcome either it just so happened to be Adam got ONE more point. Another controversial moment that I think of is Minneapolis 2009 I attended this non-televised show but Chad Tingler was robbed by the judges he put on one hell of a freestyle. If I recall he ended up with 4 flat tires and just kept going! He, wouldn't stop it was AWESOME! Adam Anderson was the final performance of the evening and while he put on a great show like the Anderson's ALWAYS do he went home with the freestyle win & I was very disappointed in the out-come overall it was an incredible show & first great experience to see Monster Jam in person.
I disagree. Dawn Creten's run at WF9 was otherwise not especially great outside of her jumping the triple buses and making the save afterwards; it wasn't bad, but it wasn't amazing, and it was also held back by the fact that she left 6 seconds on the regulation clock. Adam Anderson, meanwhile, put on one of the best freestyle runs in the history of monster trucks. His run had flow, high-speed momentum, huge air, wow factor, combos, and filled both the 90 seconds and bonus time. He deserved to win that night and he did.
@@furioussherman7265 Okay, Okay I'll respect your opinion. Man, I would love to go back and watch this show & classic Monster Jam shows from years gone by.
The fix to fan judging is easy. Fans vote 1-10 6 professional judges vote 20-30 You take the average of both scores. Then divide by 2 to get your 10-20 score. If the vans vote an 8.132 And the Pro judges vote a 24.736 You get a 16.434 This would 99.9% of the time negate any one hit wonders or who should of won arguments. You can have a one hit wonder voted a 10 by the fans but the pros know it aint worth nothing so it ends up a mid-pack run. The pro judges could even be the lineup of trucks there. Im not sure if MJ is still doing comp bonuses for Indys, but indys have won quite a bit with fan judging.
I think they had the right idea this year with the pro judges, but they didn't average it correctly. Instead of averaging the pro judges and then averaging the average with the fan vote, they should have added the fan vote as a 4th score, and then averaged the 4 scores. This way the pro judges have the most leverage, but the fans still have a vote, but cannot completely go crazy.
@@bigyodatheman that doesnt make sense. You cant average all 4 scores, at that point its not a middle ground. My way is the simplest, and the absolute most effective. You have to get a high score from both in order to win. And discrepancies put you in the middle.
@@Thirty-OughtSick @BeamMonster2023 Why can't you average 4 scores? The whole point of implementing the pro judges was to eliminate the fan judging problems. 4 scores, simple one to ten. Middle ground? How is giving pro judges double the amount of value in yours a "middle ground"" anyway? You're implementing two averages over two different number sets. Why overcomplicate it?
@@Thirty-OughtSick Yeah, that's too many entry points for feld to take in and calculate every run and too convoluted for most casual fans to follow along or understand. They like things simple. A ten point scale, simple. I'm amazed they even had pro judges this year.
Though purpose of racing is its it's a competition of proving who is the best if you don't stage properly That light's gonna call you out I've seen that happen even in mud racing For years It's a fair call as for destroying the trucks the way I see it In the efforts of putting the trucks intentionally into dangerous situations it's helped the drivers learn how to become more stunt professional in controlling the truck you could say They're skills of handling the truck have evolved from tearing up the trucks to now controlling the trucks and bringing them out of points of no return I didn't like that they were tearing it up and putting themselves on the line but they've learned the weaknesses of the Trucks and where it needs to be increased in strength to guarantee the Survival of the driver And survival and safety of the fans as well Because now that you're Handling a heavier Monster than what they used to be you have to learn how to control that much weight Especially at the speeds that they're going now But as for removing the crush cars and removing a dirt no no you cannot I don't care change happy people may think and love to see a lot of change because they get bored too fast Monster trucks dirt and cars are like a horse and carriage and The road be it dirt or clay you're removing a safety barrier in stopping That truck And you're abusing the equipment even more Stop trying to Demonster Rise Monster Trucks let them be what they are let them do what they do If you can't appreciate them for what they are and what they do Then You don't belong as a coordinator and director of what Monster Trucks should be doing In any event Because it's like asking someone to make a version of a movie that you're a fan of and then they're trying to put their crazy ideas in it that have nothing to do with the Move making it a failure and a flop Like what's happening in the movie industries today you have people who have no understanding about what a movie meant to someone and then they try to revisionize it and completely ruin it You're so busy changing everything that's been done that you're not stable fans pick up on that very quickly You want to bring the fans back you want to keep Then want more Remember What they are Go back to what made them popular from the beginning expand What were Monster Trucks known for in the past Car Crashing pulling Jumping Mud bagging Racing on water Until Monster Trucks go back to the things that made them great you may One day find monster trucks become an endangered species Nascar has never needed changing from what it is Outlaws have never needed to be removed from the dirt to change what they are Pulling has never needed to be removed from dirt in order to change what it is Trophy trucks have never needed to be removed from dirt in order to change what they are Leave the Monster Trucks as they are Change is good too much grand scale change Bad. foundation you remove is foundation you will not have but Nothing you will have In the words of a great wise lion Remember who you are Or in this case remember what they are do not try to remove the foundations of what they are leave it alone Let them be what they are Learn to appreciate the Monsters as much as the Fans do And as much as the drivers enjoy doing what they do Be honest be true and always be you And regardless of the hardships be the best that you can be let history be the judge.
About the freestyle scoring, for World finals XX that one is very divisive, like legitimately anyone of those or other drivers could’ve won, even Linsey Read did a good freestyle, so anyone could’ve won, where it gets interesting though it is definitely when the run was like boring or ended early like Cynthia Gauthier skyrocketing then crashing right out of the gate, she didn’t win but she got a high score for like the one move and that’s it which is very much the part that people do not like about fan judging
@@Duval-In-The-Wall all judging is flawed, like how they made Adam Anderson the champion in 2016 when it should’ve been Damon Bradshaw or Dennis Anderson
Honestly I think a lot of folks need to grow up and accept change. I haven't watched MJ in years and while certainly the changes are questionable I accept them. People get so worked up over the littlest thing
That's because typically nothing changes for the better. It always turns to shit.
But if change isn't good why should it be accepted?
@@TylerCritti you can atleast have an understanding about why those changes were made and respect them.
A harsh reality is that things when you were young will never be that good again. That goes for everything.
Fan judging is the absolute worst
No more trying to see if a run can hit a 32 or 35, it’s now random af
no. if we do that, we are going to get shit. its rare to see FELD make a actual good change. when enough people rant, the change won't be done. have you noticed all the empty seats in the crowed? have you noticed multiple independent tours/leagues are more sold out than MJ (even their speedway shows)?
As a drag racer, the call with Bari Musawwir was a fair call. If you don't have your vehicle staged deep enough and it rocks, you will roll out of the beams and you will unstage. If the tree activates before you can get back in, you're out.
This.
Yeah, I don't understand how it's controversial, it's a clean cut DQ
Exactly. He made an oopsie, he paid for an oopsie.
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My wife and I were asked to be random judges years ago. We said no because I didn't want the entire event to hate us.
based.
Which event was it?
Cry baby
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@@mosthatedandroidtunernolim9800 Only one crying is you buddy
World Finals II is so great because of the way the event completely falls apart and its awesome. Also they cut Seasock's interview from the broadcast and apparently during the interview Seasock was hella mad so there's another fun fact
If the Gun Slinger Orlando screwjob is on here, I can say 100% that the replay showed on Speed in 2004 was NOT the angle they showed/cut live.The angle used that night was right on the finish line. Gun Slinger had a small lead going up the ramp, when both trucks were in the air his lead was.increasing. There is no way physically possible Grave Digger could have passed him in the air when he was losing ground to Hartsock. I was sitting in a section closer to the start, and Hartsock's wife was in the section next to us, passing out 3*5 hero cards. For the final round she walked down to the finish line to get a better view. After the race she came back in tears and there was a pretty good chorus of boos from the crowd. It was obvious what happened. I still hate myself for not taking a picture of the replay screen (which ironically was the first year the Citrus Bowl had it, go figure).
I hope MonsterTalk does a career video on Hartsock. Dude came so close to winning the very first World Finals racing championship, seemingly hardly got to Freestyle when he was there cause of the truck breaking in racing, and then also missed the Finals a bunch of years
Legend has it that Scott Hartsock still thinks he won that race!
@@williamseaman176 *Knows he won.
@HammerTheHummer Yeah, even the local radio show mentioned it the week after. I almost stopped following the sport after that to be honest. Definitely not as closely as I did before. They let him freestyle for about 5 minutes that night, I don't think anyone was going to tell him to stop after that stuff.
Which event / year was this?
There was also the controversy involving Neil Elliot and Dennis Anderson in the championship race in Orlando back in 2010 when there was a light flickering malfunction. Same goes for the shutoff of Dennis after he slapped the wall in the Metrodome back in December of 2004.
I don't know that either of those are really controversies. Neil was pissed but the video clearly showed the light malfunctioning, so it was no one's fault. With Dennis in Minny, again he was pissed but the rule said if you touch the wall you're done. He touched the wall so he was done.
To me Monster Jam died when they got rid of the crush cars. A lot of the thrill was through the crush cars being run over and the replacement of cars with extremely high flying BKT tire stunts ironically seems much more dangerous with how close some of the landings on those tires reaching close to the grandstands. To me that mentality of extreme air stunts are what is going to lead to Monster Jam having a major disaster involving spectators comparable to other types of motorsports like the Le Mans disaster for 24 hour racing or the Ramstein disaster for air shows, far more worrisome than a bunch of crush cars that aren't stacked up or using winnebago's that have a 1 in a million chance of hitting spectators or track crew.
Not only that but the fact that they straight up lied to us about the drivers summit being where "all would be revealed" at but that never happened is straight up dicking on the fans who are already upset about the Cars being gone and so on is just plain wrong. Monster Jam needs to get there shit back together or this sport won't last much longer. Too much controversy will create immense backlash and then companies will fall and die out which us fans don't want.
@@Theunknownsoul463 agreed
crush cars screw later drivers in FS. as since cars ya know crush, early drivers get an advantage. mid to last drivers left with beaten flattened cars to try to make something happen with. dirt doesnt crush on the other hand
@@harveylong5878 right but usually at the Monster Jam events I grew up with (Metrodome) usually they brought spare cars and other vehicles to crush in case more got wrecked early on during racing. Of course the Metrodome was one of the top venues for the sport in 2000's so the managers running it likely had more budget for it so maybe I am biased towards that idk.
Either way the crush cars provided a challenge that I don't think dirt or trick only freestyles can truly match as it's as much of an endurance test for the driver as it is for the machines itself. Trying to work with and overcome physical objects impeding your vehicle on top of needing to do stunts to wow the audience is a sight I'm sad is becoming rarer and rarer at monster trucks shows as a whole.
Yeah for me it just doesn't feel right to get rid of the cars. After all, that's kinda where it all started.
The rule of using only collector type exhaust in Monster Jam trucks could be another good controversial topic.
the stupid gun censorship thing is kinda controversial
True
I would say. Force the name Slinger but Saigon Shaker (a name referring to WAR bombings) and having the national guard stationed out front with automatic weapons for security (posing with kids I may add) is pretty damn hypocritical.
@@bigyodatheman this aged horribly
@@DiecastBlazeOfficial Yup. Sad to say.
@@DiecastBlazeOfficial Still took 5 years of hypocrisy though.
I respect that you didn't list any deaths or injuries that occurred at Monster Jam events, such as the Natural High Tacoma Dome 2009 incident, but I really feel like those are necessary points in Monster Jam's history. Once again, I do respect you for deciding not to future those tragic accidents, but they changed the way Monster Jam works even to this day. It's just one of those moments where you don't know if it will help or hurt to feature it. Past that though, great video all the way.
That and FELD nowadays with the censorship
@@AlanNadeauIII I agree with you on that, like the almost immediate without notice censorship of guns. They literally forced one of the greatest icons to change his entire interview style due to that, being the late, great Scott Hartsock, and his (Gun)Slinger.
@@TwiliteTrucks Yup. And I get that FELD has brands like Disney on Ice under them, gotta be good for the kids, but like wtf man
Dan Patrick and Samson also killed a track official about around the same time unfortunately 😢
If that gets talked about, there will be more people clowning on Natural High even though it could have happened with any other truck.
MAXIMUM DESTRUCTION **Theme song Aggressively plays**
that was a good meme lol
R.I.P Scott Hartsock in Gunslinger.
Gone but not forgotten.
An interesting video I would want to see would be trucks that were either delayed from debuting or changed as a result of infamous tragedies. Examples would include Maximum Destruction and Inferno being delayed a year as a result of 9/11, And the truck "Sniper" who many may remember from Crash Madness 2 being renamed to "Incinerator" as a result of the D.C. Sniper Attacks.
@@ryanmcmillin5313 I remember that from Eric Fording's Monster Jam Iceberg video.
Inferno wasn't delayed, it ran in 2001.
Or Gun Slinger changing to just Slinger.
@@mattbauckman9907 How could I have completely forget about that one?
@@bigyodatheman Oops. I meant to refer to Hot Wheels planning to release an Inferno toy around the same time period, But due to 9/11, They released Flash Fire instead.
This channel is great. It has me more interested in monster trucks than when I was young. You earned a subscriber
World finals 2 is actually my favorite world finals to date, but the controversies made perfect sense at the time. In retrospect I'd argue a lot of the past controversies make the event more engaging than it would be otherwise.
2004 World Finals freestyle should’ve been on this list. Tom and Jimmy had the best runs that night but Medusa and Lope just had one spectacular moment and somehow won
Bring back open header zoomies
I heard that the reason FELD banned them was because of noise levels. If true, then that is the most idiotic reason I have ever heard.
I got the amazing chance to judge a triple threat event a few years ago, two days later we were invited to do it again, when I met morgan Kane he thanked us for coming back, according to him the past judges did such a bad job that even the officials were confused.
I think people give World Finals 2014 a bad name. Though the track was mostly dirt, there was still a lot of cars. They cared about the paint design. They also still let trucks run while broken, and I don't mean just broken, I mean destroyed. Madusa was demolished and she kept going until she got hung on cars. If they brought back that track, I think everyone would be very grateful.
The problem was that the dirt mounds were too clustered. And after a handful of freestyles the paint lines were destroyed and the drivers could not tell where the dirt piles were as everything looked the same from the cockpit. You can see in the later runs guys are just jamming the throttle right into the sides of the dirt mounds because they have no idea where they are. Something like the 2017 WF freestyle track was more spread out and was not terrible for FELD's anti-crush car policy.
@@Howard.Stern. Most of the trucks that jammed the throttle into the sides of dirt mounds that night were the trucks that freestyled after Todd Leduc in Metal Mulisha. You could tell that they were unsure of just how to top the run that Leduc had put on and so they went as crazy as possible, but ultimately it just didn't work out.
@@Howard.Stern. I see what you mean. Now if they had added more cars to the 2014 track it wouldn't have been as bad. I also miss when a truck would roll over and the officials would let them try to save it until the truck died. I guarantee you if people stopped showing up to shows, they'd bring cars, and truck breakage back.
@@furioussherman7265 If you look at the dirt layout for 2014 there was not enough room to move on flat ground. They changed this in future World Finals by widening the flatground areas and removing a handful of the ramps and mounds. So even once the paint is run over and gone you can still tell where you are at least.
1999 Nashville monster jam when Carolina Crusher clearly beat Bulldozer(Meents) in the first round but they gave the win to Meents to promote the Dennis Anderson vs Tom Meents rivalry
Yeah that was terrible.
5:50 this guy made a meme without trying
Monster Jam has no excuse not to use cars period. They've never been a safety hazard. Independent companies use cars a lot. They have the money to get the cars too.
Lol idiot alert
@@WaddickLawnCare Your argument is?
I absolutely loved World Finals 2. I watched the PPV broadcast and saw all of the craziness. 3+ actual hours of a Monster Truck event that had one thing after another go wrong and them make everything up on the fly. I also liked World Finals 3 on PPV because they used to be live and unedited. Those DVD's they sell of those WF's are heavily edited. I wish I still had those original PPV broadcast?
Do you happen to have or know anyone with those original unedited PPV broadcasts of WF 2 and 3?
Thank goodness Hot Wheels Monster Trucks Live did use crush cars instead of mats.
on the topic of the fans being allowed to judge I honestly say they need to go back to what they did back in 2007 where they had their own handpicked judges because the "fans" have been notorious for giving someone a load of points just for going not even 20 seconds and doing a "questionably" insane wreck and this was big back in 2000-2003 with Tom and Dennis specifically because if any one of them came out and did that in freestyle they won immediately
that said my 2 most hated things are fan judging because they always rig it no matter what and the removal of crush cars because crush cars are what made monster trucks famous and yes I'll happily admit that Bigfoot started it all with that and removing them from monster trucks removes the identity of it all and honestly just ruins the fun factor because it was much more fun watching someone hit a bus stack than jumping from one tabletop to another
Well it's also the fact that I beleive the BKT tires get cut and puncture very easily from metal. They started to fade away from cars once those tires became a sponsor and used by the trucks.
They still using them in 2023?
@@sammitchell3657 BKT tires or cars?
there was a conertversal moment for monster jam was when was brutus crashed into gun slinger in new orleans
4:06 I don't remember which World Finals it was, but I remember a similar thing happening between Neil Elliott in a Max-D truck & John Seasock in Batman.
John won after Neil was shut off. They redid the race, Neil won & advanced, Neil was booed, & John was mad!
Who wants to go to a monster truck show and not see crushed cars?
Non rednecks n hicks
I do. crush cars got boring. smashed down after the first 2 or 3 runs, leaving remaining drivers SOL and having to try to ass pull a miracle
Monster jam post 2010 sucks, one of my favorite trucks was Gun slinger and I couldn't even find the truck because they changed its name to just Slinger, half the trucks I remember are retired, crush cars are non existent, and free style has had its balls cut off, I remember when trucks would break off wheels and keep going, they would count it as a points multiplier, now if the wheels break off they hit the kill switch
The worst controversy is the inclusion of two wheel skills. Just let them freestyle and show what they can do.
I miss wheelies for sure
The Costa Rica 2018 weekend was kind of controversial because of the production, instead of using a track over the football grass field, they laid the track on the running track. Too many people wanted to boycott the event and asked for a refund. That did not prevent the event from taking place, although 4 years have passed and they have not returned.
I've often said with fan judging that it was best in like 2016/17 where you had professional judges, then they tossed the high & low, then added a fan score. Use judges zone, but have some automatic deductions that get appled to every score. Like in minimum 30 second run for any score in Freestyle, then 1 point off for every 10 seconds left on it. For skills, 5 points deducted for only doing 1 SUCCESSFUL trick or 0 for none in a stadium (6 for only doing 1 trick, 3 for doing 2 in arenas). If they did that, then I think it would be fair as the "Digger points" (or anyother truck/driver favoritism) from the fans could be averaged out.
Musawwirs interview makes it sound like a technical issue that Monster Jam didn't catch.
It's a pre programmed part of the lighting system they used. In drag racing it's a big foul to back out of staging lights once fully staged. Not a glitch in the system but probably an oversight in the planning. The rules were dictated by the technology in that situtation.
damon shouldve won freestyle 2016
MaxD vs Iron Man at WFXV is just shocking
Shoutout to you for using the monster jam urban assault soundtrack for this video, one of my favorite video games as a kid that didn’t go unnoticed
The Purple GDTL has made its way onto a shirt and supposedly a yearbook. Great video btw, love your content.
World Finals II felt great watching it live. But seeing where the sport is now, it's pretty disappointing. What Monster Jam and most monster truck racing is now just isn't for me. I'm not going to say is trash because clearly some still really enjoy it. It's just no longer what it actually was supposed to be. I'll just keep watching the Army Armstrong days over and over again.
I've always felt the officials tend to get trigger-happy with the kill switch. If all the wheels are still on, the truck isn't dumping all its fluids and nothing is on fire I say it's fair game.
I think Todd LeDuc should've won World Finals 2019 Freestyle. He measured the stadium with his truck, then had a momentum filled run. But look at it like this. Linsey Reed had a good run, but SO many others had better a run than she did, and no one else took the lead. Brianna Mahon should've taken the lead because her run was AMAZING. I honestly think Todd should've won though.
It was a little short though
@@ericfording3556 Still though, Linsey's run was highlighted by one cool save.
The middle of his run was boring.
name one thing Todd did in his run after the first jump
@@GraveDigger35 He had a consistent run filled with big air after that. I know Linsey had more momentum but her cartwheel save was nothing compared to Todd's jump or Brianna's multitude of saves and her momentum. By the way glad to see you on here, I've been watching your channel for a while.
Fantastic video! I learned a lot. I do wish they would bring back crush cars though.
I stopped watching when they started shutting down trucks because of a flat. You DO NOT shut down Dennis Anderson or Tom Meents.
I feel like WF 2019 was more controversial than 2001, mainly since the controversies didn't drag the show down, nor did it screw over other drivers.
Monster Jam will never get a dollar from me until they patch things up with BIGFOOT. How the hell they won't let the truck that started it all in the event is beyond comprehension? Guess all the trucks in Monster Jam are a sellout though.
Another controversy is Detroit 2010 where wrecking crew got a low score after an amazing save
Run wasn't much otherwise
WF2 was controversial? I've never heard this from any one before.
I think the most controversial scoring personally is neil elliot getting robbed. He should have a freestyle championship.
Oh it was definitely controversial. At the time most die hard fans condemned it for the professional wrestling style ending and carnage fest.
@@bigyodatheman Sounds like it was only controversial to gatekeepers and elitists.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon lololololol, gatekeepers? Elitests? More like people who appreciate the design and craftsmanship of these machines and don't appreciate the wreckless abandonment of trashing or running over another truck for no reason.
Pretty much every person who drove or was involved with the sport (and many who still are) before this happened hated the abuse and mindless destruction of equipment.
Get out of here with that bullshit.
This channel is so awesome. Thanks for doing this.
Fun fact about concrete shows in monster jam, I actually got the chance to see one at the Resch Center before dirt took over in 2015.
Dude, I watched World Finals II so many times on VHS, I was an kid, it was amazing to me, ngl..
But yeah, It was super chaotic, ngl.
I see Manchester 👀 lol. Tbh I’d like to see a set up like that again, even tho they couldn’t do much it’s kinda cool and unique
This is so refreshing to see and I completely agree 🙌
It was something different which was cool. I enjoyed it personally. I remember being a fan when that happened haha good times
@@DiecastBlazeOfficial I recreated the event with my toy trucks. Kinda, I loved the track
I cannot understand how the WF 20 DQ is so controversial. It’s not like an official was just eyeballing it and messed up, it was a computerized system. A red light is a red light. There’s never been a re-run of a red light ever, not even for a Grave Digger or Maximum Destruction. (Okay, there was the time the light flickered in that Grave Digger vs Maximum Destruction race, but that’s different.)
Fan judging is a two-edge sword. The pros are it obviously creates more interaction and participation from the fans and more fun to somewhat have an impact on the scoring. The cons are it will generally favor the more well-known trucks for a somewhat bias judging. I personally like it as it creates interesting discussion with the group you're attending with and it's more engaging, which is good for the sport. In the end, it's supposed to be fun for the fans and I look at it as the drivers have the races to compete with each other with an unbiased judging while the fans get to feel a part of the freestyle which is the most entertaining to watch.
Anyone remember an insane freestyle run by Grave Digger in the mid 00's where Dennis went til the truck broke? In his interview after he said he did it because he broke early the year before at that venue and wanted to make it up to the fans. I have no idea what show that was,I'd love to see it again because it blew my mind as a kid
Minneapolis of February 2005 was that show, he got shut off in the December 2004 show so he vowed to come back and go extra for the fans
@@george_2172 Any idea if theres video of it anywhere? I found an incar video but would love to see the tv footage
Here’s an Idea do a video about the history of the thunder nationals series
the “maximum destruction” then when it cuts to him freestyling had me dead
0:47 that is probably the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen happen
In my Opinion World Finals 17,18,19, and 20 has the best Racing Finalist
I think they should not let fans be the judge I mean it is cool but from what i seen when I watched it the judging seemed biased to maybe the favorite trucks
This is gonna be a good one
5:49 really got me😂😂😂
Tod luduc sould of won wf 20
@@ryanmcmillin5313 def not
The Manchester 2019 one was just sad like really I thought they used gym Matts and I feel bad for the people who went if where to go to that show and saw that track and I would have walked out right away
I would have walked in there and been like WTH!
it's no different than removing the crush cars and replacing all the dirt courses with the stupid tabletops
it's not true monster trucking if there aren't crush cars involved
Personally, it was good. Change can be good. All you can do is experiment and find out.
you should do a worst paint schemes video
I remember being at the world finals 15 talking to other Grave Digger Fans I couldn't find a single person that actually liked that purple The Legend design. I'm so glad that didn't happen lmao. Also Remember the IronMan v Max-d controversy. When they announced the Rerun of the race, everyone booed. Can't say i'm surpised Feld let their favoritism win out over actual competition. I'm just glad Meents didn't win that time. Odonnell was robbed by feld.
I think judging should ALWAYS be professional. Specifically from 2001 to 2014, every world champion was clearly the world champion. You knew a run would win if it did, and everyone was happy, save for 2004 with Hot Wheels and Madusa's scores.
fun fact : spin master just did a the grave digger the legend purple into diecast
Fun fact: this grave digger the legend design was released on spin master’s 1:64 toyline of trucks.
Fan judging kinda just ruined the sport. Say Monster mutt had the best run of the night, then Grave digger comes and just wins the competition by just doing a donut and not much exciting. Personally I think people just vote for the popular trucks because well, their popular than others
I Like The Grave Digger Design But The Purple Color Has The Ghost-Face
I Also Watched The 2001 World Finals So I Repeated The Encore
They hate it cause the people on the right side are boys and they like it cause the people on the left side are girls
If you screw up staginging at an nhra event. They don't give you a do over either red is red.
the main thing that got people so hyped about this motorsport was the ability for them to crush cars with ease.. it's sad that the biggest tour that showcases these machines are taking away the one thing that got them so popular in the first place
5:48 😂
The WF 22 Racing Championship could've been included as well given that the track was mostly dry until the final race. I personally didn't like that but there was obviously no choice but to run it in the pouring rain
Also, I've seen the purple GD the Legend truck on Google but I thought it was just someone's custom concept. Glad that it was disregarded because it does look terrible.
But the track was equal to both drivers in that sense. Not really controversial.
@@bigyodatheman Of course, I just think that the outcome would have been different if the track stayed the same for the championship race as well. It was an awesome race to the finish though
@@bigyodatheman it does get controversial when you realize that shut Ryan off but not Brandon
@@GraveDigger35 Did they shut Ryan off or did he just stall? I don't seem to remember seeing the RII blinking.
@@bigyodatheman idk, but he shut off after hitting the ramp that pooped the tire and spinning out towards the wall
I don't think I've watched MJ since around 2008 but I used to be into it a lot as a kid starting in the late 90's. I went to a small show in Durham NH in 2003. I remember a couple of the guys trucks broke and they were sitting a few rows ahead of us. I wish I would've talked to em.
3:31 - So “HOW MUCH; GATEKEEPING” goes on in “THE MONSTER JAM COMMUNITY”???
“THAT IS A BITCHN PAINT SCHEME”….. *what a shame*
That was a good max d meme 😂
What about the World Finals 17 freestyle judges? I haven't seen much about that on UA-cam
Monster Jam sucks now they dont use crushed cars. USHRA was founded on car crushes back in the 80s.. Hotwheels monster trucks live is a better show for they have car crushes
Having a scoring system in general for a meaningless championship is the most controversial. When more than 80% of the trucks In competition at the events are owned by the “governing body” there is nothing legitimate. I’m sorry but there’s nothing more controversial than that. It’s just wrestling on wheels. Purist to the actual sport would agree. I’ve not taken a single MJ champion serious since the motor madness days. While bragging rights are great for the drivers it honestly leaves monster trucks in the sports entertainment realm and it makes it nearly impossible to cross back over to the TNT or Penda days
I honestly don’t understand why people hated the purple gd the legend, it’s awesome. Also, it’s so popular already in the diecast circuit.
We took the kids to monster jam and felt like the judging on grave digger was rigged he should had won the wheelie contest in my opinion
No cars to crush is why monster Jam sucks.
I’ve attended many many events over the years and I can recall several times where an opponent of a very popular truck would appear to intentionally lose in order to pair up a popular rivalry for the championship race. I wish I could remember the particular event but I even remember the truck that was supposed to win the event experienced a mechanical failure and stopped short of the finish line and the intended loser, knowing he was supposed to lose, stopped because he didn’t know what to do 😅
Tom Meents vs Alex Blackwell?
I was there in the McDonald and Meents round in the world finals. It was absolutely atrocious, reminds me of the infamous New Orleans versus Rams game in 2018 LoL
It’s still the best racing sport out . Because they are there to put on a show for the fans .
Easier said than done, but if I'm Jimmy, I'm calling for a re-run to run that properly, and not have my first racing championship tainted that way
Not his call, though. After 17 tries I don't think he cared lol. Sad it happened but you use a drag racing pro tree you go by the rules of how it works. Same thing happened in the semis and they granted a re run, guess they weren't going to give the benefit of the doubt twice.
@@bigyodatheman I mean yeah but it still isn't fair. Camden Murphy got fucked over by the same thing Bari did, AGAINST BARI the previous round
@@AlanNadeauIII Exactly. Which is why I think they weren't going to mess with it again after all of that.
@@AlanNadeauIII I still love how Jimmy Creten quickstaged Brodozer so he couldn't spool and wasted him in round 1.
@@AlanNadeauIII And notice they don't use the pro tree lights anymore after this event.
This is the reason why I stopped watching Monster Jam. They have become boring after removing junk cars.
All though I hated the purple grave digger the legend truck design I did hope we would see it run a few times or at least once at the world final’s encore.
Pro tree lights, pro tree rules. Rolling out of the staging beams indicates a delay to stage as an aggressive act to the other racer in drag racing. Not the intent here, but it's the way the lights work, and the round before the same thing happened and the rerun caused cam to redlight himself, so I can see where the officials wouldn't want to delay any longer as they are transfixed on time points. Sucks that it happened, but that's the way they are setup.
The staging beams are not designed for monster trucks. They simply weigh and rock too much and easily trigger the sensors. During some of the world finals in Vegas (I think 2014 was one of the years) there were drivers complaining about tons of DQs or problems with their trucks not staging properly.
@@Howard.Stern. And? That changes nothing. Rules are dictated by the technology chosen. It is what it was.
Grave Digger the Legend is one of my favorite monster trucks too!
I just want Manchester 2019 to be a memory for people to forget. We don’t know if FELD will do it again. Hell I would just say “Bring back cars”
Monster Jam died the day they got rid of free standing crush cars. These crush cars were the roots of monster trucks.
Part 2 needs
Orlando 2003 racing
Orlando 2010 racing
New Orleans 2004
Monster jam world finals 2004 with three champions or Creten being mad that his truck was taken out
Jimmy was PISSED
A moment I would share is wf 17 freestyle, if you remember firestorm’s run then you know
I’m not sure what year it was but Neil Elliot and Dennis Anderson Orlando light flicker controversy
A controversial moment that I feel you left out of this video is Dawn Creten not winning the freestyle championship at World Finals 9. Now, Adam Anderson and Dawn Creten both had two of the most insanely, incredible and memorable freestyle runs in Monster Jam history. HOWEVER, I wholeheartedly believe Dawn Creten should've been a Monster Jam champion on that night NOT Adam Anderson. I don't think any favoritism played a part in the outcome either it just so happened to be Adam got ONE more point. Another controversial moment that I think of is Minneapolis 2009 I attended this non-televised show but Chad Tingler was robbed by the judges he put on one hell of a freestyle. If I recall he ended up with 4 flat tires and just kept going! He, wouldn't stop it was AWESOME! Adam Anderson was the final performance of the evening and while he put on a great show like the Anderson's ALWAYS do he went home with the freestyle win & I was very disappointed in the out-come overall it was an incredible show & first great experience to see Monster Jam in person.
I disagree. Dawn Creten's run at WF9 was otherwise not especially great outside of her jumping the triple buses and making the save afterwards; it wasn't bad, but it wasn't amazing, and it was also held back by the fact that she left 6 seconds on the regulation clock. Adam Anderson, meanwhile, put on one of the best freestyle runs in the history of monster trucks. His run had flow, high-speed momentum, huge air, wow factor, combos, and filled both the 90 seconds and bonus time. He deserved to win that night and he did.
@@furioussherman7265 Okay, Okay I'll respect your opinion. Man, I would love to go back and watch this show & classic Monster Jam shows from years gone by.
The fix to fan judging is easy.
Fans vote 1-10
6 professional judges vote 20-30
You take the average of both scores.
Then divide by 2 to get your 10-20 score.
If the vans vote an 8.132
And the Pro judges vote a 24.736
You get a 16.434
This would 99.9% of the time negate any one hit wonders or who should of won arguments.
You can have a one hit wonder voted a 10 by the fans but the pros know it aint worth nothing so it ends up a mid-pack run.
The pro judges could even be the lineup of trucks there.
Im not sure if MJ is still doing comp bonuses for Indys, but indys have won quite a bit with fan judging.
I think they had the right idea this year with the pro judges, but they didn't average it correctly.
Instead of averaging the pro judges and then averaging the average with the fan vote, they should have added the fan vote as a 4th score, and then averaged the 4 scores. This way the pro judges have the most leverage, but the fans still have a vote, but cannot completely go crazy.
@@bigyodatheman that doesnt make sense. You cant average all 4 scores, at that point its not a middle ground.
My way is the simplest, and the absolute most effective. You have to get a high score from both in order to win. And discrepancies put you in the middle.
@@Thirty-OughtSick @BeamMonster2023 Why can't you average 4 scores? The whole point of implementing the pro judges was to eliminate the fan judging problems.
4 scores, simple one to ten.
Middle ground? How is giving pro judges double the amount of value in yours a "middle ground"" anyway?
You're implementing two averages over two different number sets. Why overcomplicate it?
@@bigyodatheman Because you want the absolute most Average score to win.
@@Thirty-OughtSick Yeah, that's too many entry points for feld to take in and calculate every run and too convoluted for most casual fans to follow along or understand. They like things simple. A ten point scale, simple. I'm amazed they even had pro judges this year.
Though purpose of racing is its it's a competition of proving who is the best if you don't stage properly That light's gonna call you out I've seen that happen even in mud racing For years It's a fair call as for destroying the trucks the way I see it In the efforts of putting the trucks intentionally into dangerous situations it's helped the drivers learn how to become more stunt professional in controlling the truck you could say They're skills of handling the truck have evolved from tearing up the trucks to now controlling the trucks and bringing them out of points of no return I didn't like that they were tearing it up and putting themselves on the line but they've learned the weaknesses of the Trucks and where it needs to be increased in strength to guarantee the Survival of the driver And survival and safety of the fans as well Because now that you're Handling a heavier Monster than what they used to be you have to learn how to control that much weight Especially at the speeds that they're going now But as for removing the crush cars and removing a dirt no no you cannot I don't care change happy people may think and love to see a lot of change because they get bored too fast Monster trucks dirt and cars are like a horse and carriage and The road be it dirt or clay you're removing a safety barrier in stopping That truck And you're abusing the equipment even more Stop trying to Demonster Rise Monster Trucks let them be what they are let them do what they do If you can't appreciate them for what they are and what they do Then You don't belong as a coordinator and director of what Monster Trucks should be doing In any event Because it's like asking someone to make a version of a movie that you're a fan of and then they're trying to put their crazy ideas in it that have nothing to do with the Move making it a failure and a flop Like what's happening in the movie industries today you have people who have no understanding about what a movie meant to someone and then they try to revisionize it and completely ruin it You're so busy changing everything that's been done that you're not stable fans pick up on that very quickly You want to bring the fans back you want to keep Then want more Remember What they are Go back to what made them popular from the beginning expand What were Monster Trucks known for in the past Car Crashing pulling Jumping Mud bagging Racing on water Until Monster Trucks go back to the things that made them great you may One day find monster trucks become an endangered species Nascar has never needed changing from what it is Outlaws have never needed to be removed from the dirt to change what they are Pulling has never needed to be removed from dirt in order to change what it is Trophy trucks have never needed to be removed from dirt in order to change what they are Leave the Monster Trucks as they are Change is good too much grand scale change Bad. foundation you remove is foundation you will not have but Nothing you will have In the words of a great wise lion Remember who you are Or in this case remember what they are do not try to remove the foundations of what they are leave it alone Let them be what they are Learn to appreciate the Monsters as much as the Fans do And as much as the drivers enjoy doing what they do Be honest be true and always be you And regardless of the hardships be the best that you can be let history be the judge.
About the freestyle scoring, for World finals XX that one is very divisive, like legitimately anyone of those or other drivers could’ve won, even Linsey Read did a good freestyle, so anyone could’ve won, where it gets interesting though it is definitely when the run was like boring or ended early like Cynthia Gauthier skyrocketing then crashing right out of the gate, she didn’t win but she got a high score for like the one move and that’s it which is very much the part that people do not like about fan judging
Gautier once placed 3rd for a freestyle which lasted ONE jump
Fans as judges is idiotic and will always be
@@Duval-In-The-Wall that’s not true fan judging isn’t bad but there definitely are bad occasions like this one
@@miketrapper0464
It would never happen with professional judges
@@Duval-In-The-Wall all judging is flawed, like how they made Adam Anderson the champion in 2016 when it should’ve been Damon Bradshaw or Dennis Anderson