For anyone playing Schenken (yes, I know, that makes me an oldster), this hand is not difficult to bid. In Schenken, ANY 17+ HCP hand (except for 1NT, 2NT, and 3NT) is opened 1C. Responder MUST bid 1D with
If you assume W's D play shows he started with 5, then squeeze chances by ducking a spade are a almost a sure bet. With 4 cards to go S has SQAx and CKx. W has to keep 2 D hence only 2C. E has to keep 2S so only 2C. Thus 3rd club trick with be a winner no matter how they were divided originally.
1. The hand has a 3-loser count. You can open 2 clubs with 3.5 losers. 2. If you open 2NT, and your partner responds with Stayman, you are about to find a sweet 8+ card major suit fit.
just wondering why east wasted queen of diamonds third player doesn't always have to play high the 9 would have pulled ace anyways the queen would have been covered by king and jack and 10 are now boss getting back in is the trick though and i say they do that with 10 of hearts and they make one with clubs. 1 light
also squeeze chances looks like u can run a simple played as double squeeze duck a spade into East pitching a Dia from dummy. Now u have the spade threat in the upper hand against E. looks like the single D threat against W in the upper hand and the both suit will be clubs. Win the Dia return in dummy run hearts, then the last spade and watch spades and dia's. If u do not see a critical card fall hope for clubs seems better to me that 3-3 clubs. The problem with playing for a 3-3 clubs besides seems more unlikely given the bad break in spades, is your transportation for a squeeze is no longer there
Cash a second heart first. If both follow then ducking a spade means that the squeeze will work every time no matter how the clubs and diamonds are divided.
if south has only 12P (open 1S is right), and north has only 10p(responding with 2C is also right), this 2H forcing is in big trouble in my view. north can only bid 2NT or 3D - lead to 3H or 3NT certainly failure.
I guess you can always bid 2S (with doubleton or in extreme situations single honor spade), which should inform about misfits and weak hand. 2NT should not be forcing then (if opening hand really is 12 PC) and 3D should be bid with a stronger hand - stronger than 10 PC.
South would need to jump to show the length of hearts (3H is 5 clubs, 5 hearts, 14 to 15 points). A natural jump to 2H shows at least 4, so North only gives fit with a 4-card heart.
I too agree: Asking with RKB (if [He] to get eventually then in 6NT) allows to find the double covers in Club and Diamond(=A+K) and try for a grand slam. About squeeze as cards lies there is also a simple one in minor suits.
@@carloingravalloba Yes, that's what I kind of dislike about these videos. First they start very slowly, ensuring there is no need to rush, that it is essential to use the bidding space to our advantage and so on - but all of a sudden 6NT is the optimal bid. I mean what. Even if we know the partner has 12 PC and none of the opponents have AK in any suit - is it really that obvious to jump to slam straight away? It's just... urgh, the reception of the video is like "first we treat you as a beginner, explaining everything, but by the 3rd bid you should already know everything so 6NT is self explanatory. It's all conflicting messages, especially when one of them is dropping a joke (I hope) about not being able to ruff in NT game - I mean come on.
@@patryk_lewandowskiabc Hello. These videos, as they are presented, do not convey the idea well and sometimes arrive at contracts that are not suitable in the sense of not very constructive. It is true that during a tournament the bidding has some "freedom" but in the end what counts is the comparison with the other tables (which sometimes is not shown, perhaps in a hurry since an analysis takes time which is not always there). I once saw a person ask why he hadn't gone further in a slam as there was a squeeze on the table that would have earned a hold and IMPs but unfortunately the "claim" had been chosen by stopping before attempting. Since he hadn't received an answer, i confirmed that he was right. It is said that hurry is a bad adviser and instead you had to stop and think getting to a good result. However, I am on BBO and I am known by the nickname Lovera.
Gutsy bid and and exceedingly well played. An instructive video. Thanks.
For anyone playing Schenken (yes, I know, that makes me an oldster), this hand is not difficult to bid. In Schenken, ANY 17+ HCP hand (except for 1NT, 2NT, and 3NT) is opened 1C. Responder MUST bid 1D with
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Hi Ron, great comment for anyone who's thinking of learning a Strong Club system! Thank you :)
easier hand for any big club system not just Schenken. As I do not play 2C as game forcing, 2C seems right as u have easy rebids.
I had a partner with whom we played Schenken. I loved it.
If you assume W's D play shows he started with 5, then squeeze chances by ducking a spade are a almost a sure bet. With 4 cards to go S has SQAx and CKx. W has to keep 2 D hence only 2C. E has to keep 2S so only 2C. Thus 3rd club trick with be a winner no matter how they were divided originally.
1. The hand has a 3-loser count. You can open 2 clubs with 3.5 losers. 2. If you open 2NT, and your partner responds with Stayman, you are about to find a sweet 8+ card major suit fit.
Please comment on what the relationship between playing weak 2s and responding with 5 points (min) instead of 6 is?
Wondering why you pitched the 2 of clubs after getting the bad news on the Spades?
How is west to show his points
just wondering why east wasted queen of diamonds third player doesn't always have to play high the 9 would have pulled ace anyways the queen would have been covered by king and jack and 10 are now boss getting back in is the trick though and i say they do that with 10 of hearts and they make one with clubs. 1 light
there's also the 7 of diamonds west didn't use and used jack instead wasting easts 9 if you didn't cover 7 with king.
also squeeze chances looks like u can run a simple played as double squeeze duck a spade into East pitching a Dia from dummy. Now u have the spade threat in the upper hand against E. looks like the single D threat against W in the upper hand and the both suit will be clubs. Win the Dia return in dummy run hearts, then the last spade and watch spades and dia's. If u do not see a critical card fall hope for clubs seems better to me that 3-3 clubs. The problem with playing for a 3-3 clubs besides seems more unlikely given the bad break in spades, is your transportation for a squeeze is no longer there
Cash a second heart first. If both follow then ducking a spade means that the squeeze will work every time no matter how the clubs and diamonds are divided.
if south has only 12P (open 1S is right), and north has only 10p(responding with 2C is also right), this 2H forcing is in big trouble in my view. north can only bid 2NT or 3D - lead to 3H or 3NT certainly failure.
I guess you can always bid 2S (with doubleton or in extreme situations single honor spade), which should inform about misfits and weak hand. 2NT should not be forcing then (if opening hand really is 12 PC) and 3D should be bid with a stronger hand - stronger than 10 PC.
Dry good
FSF over 2/1?....how about more redundancy?
Why can’t the 2 hearts bid be interpreted as 5 spades and 5 hearts?…equal and touching, bid the higher one first?
South would need to jump to show the length of hearts (3H is 5 clubs, 5 hearts, 14 to 15 points). A natural jump to 2H shows at least 4, so North only gives fit with a 4-card heart.
Why he didnt finesse hearts?
There's 4 H leads and 6 H outstanding. I'd have explored that before looking at other suits. After 2 leads you find that a finesse isn't necessary.
No 6-1 change was not bad at all. 5-2 was much worst
2d forcing
It would be interesting to see his line of play when the spades would not show a singleton on either side. Old video, I know. Still interesting.
ask for Aces
I too agree: Asking with RKB (if [He] to get eventually then in 6NT) allows to find the double covers in Club and Diamond(=A+K) and try for a grand slam. About squeeze as cards lies there is also a simple one in minor suits.
@@carloingravalloba Yes, that's what I kind of dislike about these videos. First they start very slowly, ensuring there is no need to rush, that it is essential to use the bidding space to our advantage and so on - but all of a sudden 6NT is the optimal bid. I mean what. Even if we know the partner has 12 PC and none of the opponents have AK in any suit - is it really that obvious to jump to slam straight away? It's just... urgh, the reception of the video is like "first we treat you as a beginner, explaining everything, but by the 3rd bid you should already know everything so 6NT is self explanatory. It's all conflicting messages, especially when one of them is dropping a joke (I hope) about not being able to ruff in NT game - I mean come on.
@@patryk_lewandowskiabc Hello. These videos, as they are presented, do not convey the idea well and sometimes arrive at contracts that are not suitable in the sense of not very constructive. It is true that during a tournament the bidding has some "freedom" but in the end what counts is the comparison with the other tables (which sometimes is not shown, perhaps in a hurry since an analysis takes time which is not always there). I once saw a person ask why he hadn't gone further in a slam as there was a squeeze on the table that would have earned a hold and IMPs but unfortunately the "claim" had been chosen by stopping before attempting. Since he hadn't received an answer, i confirmed that he was right. It is said that hurry is a bad adviser and instead you had to stop and think getting to a good result. However, I am on BBO and I am known by the nickname Lovera.
Gosh, play the hand out...
2/1 is forcing to game to begin with,, so all that verbiage is unnecessary.
With spades 5-2 you will have learned the bad news too late.