Is Bret Hart Right to HATE Goldberg So Much?
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- What Went Wrong?... At WCW StarrCade 1999, the main event was WCW Champion Bret "Hitman" Hart vs Bill Goldberg. Late in the match, Goldberg landed a side kick on Bret's head so hard he caused a concussion that would eventually see Bret retire from the ring a few weeks later.
But was it just the kick to Bret's head? What about the elbow Goldberg landed earlier in the match? What about the Figure Four Leg Lock on the ring post that Goldberg failed to assist Bret with that saw the Hitman smack his head on the ringside mats. What about the nearly dozen matches that Bret had against the likes of Ric Flair, Sid, Chris Benoit, Jerry Flynn and, finally, Kevin Nash. If Bret had taken time off, would he have recovered and have been able to carry on wrestling?
Over the years, Bret Hart has become more and bitter bitter and vocal of his disdain for Bill Goldberg. All Goldberg can do is apologise, and for Bret that isn't enough, so Goldberg on the Who Killed WCW documentary finally had enough and declared that he's done saying sorry. Who's in the right, who's in the wrong, and ultimately, are they both taking themselves too seriously that they can never get past what happened on that fateful pay per view?
What Went WRONG?... Bret Hart vs Goldberg Career Ending Kick... WCW StarrCade 1999
Is Bret Hart Right to HATE Goldberg So Much?... What Went Wrong
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The lesson here, Bret shouldn’t wrestle men who’s name start with Gold.
Lmao
lol, the screw job that happened at survivor series, shawn had gold hearts(instead of red) on his pants.
@floggyWM1 you are building a very clever fan theory.
I'm dead xD
Golddust is fine though he good 😂👍
I think most of the blame goes to concussions not being treated seriously enough in wrestling or pro sports at the time.
People say Bret shouldn't have worked until he healed but if you are old enough to remember 2000 concussions were considered a minor injury and you were labeled "soft" if you didn't "play through the pain".
Oh yeah, I remember. I think about every time my memory fails me or I get a severe migraine.
Hell, when I had 5 concussion in the 2003 (deployment), it was “damn, you popped your cherry!” To “you’re just battle hardened now, nothing will faze you.” It wasn’t until 2008 that I was told I needed to get it checked out. Crazy to think there are probably millions of people that struggle today, because of how we used to look at concussions.
Nah, bullshit on the "soft" excuse not when he claims he was so out of it after the match and that he felt like there was something so wrong with him that he needed to see the doctor. Then allows according to Bret WcW to talk him into working for several weeks and Bret's story claims they told him don't worry about it, they'll take care of you, they'll be gentle with you.
ESEPCIALLY when he constantly cries about how WcW wasn't doing anything with him, they weren't treating him right etc. how he hated every minute he was there
"Did you ever got your bell rung ? If you try to Walk it Off, you will be just like Chris Nowinski; on the shelf for months." - a realistic wrestling promo. I remembered reading about the UnderTaker vs. (Bill) Goldberg "Super Showdown 2019 PPV" match, in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (King Abdullah International Stadium). It was a disaster...
I remember when I was a kid the test was “how many fingers am I holding up “
"Unlike Bill Goldberg" - Bret Hart. LMAO
lol
i appreciate the ending, just because bret would be better off forgiving, that doesn't mean goldberg was in anyway in the right
You’re a mook😒
Oh shut up ya mook😒
The biggest thing for me is that Bret seems to have buried the hatchet with Goldberg who apologized profusely over the years UNTIL Goldberg got a massive payout for doing Saudi shows and that is when Bret started to shit talk Goldberg again.
@@NoTimeAllTime Same with Triple H.
Also when he almost killed Undertaker
@troystahmann8659 just like undertaker has many times in his career but it wasn't inflated cus the internet and certain ppl clearly can't let hate go
Makes sense, Bret tried to use Owen's death as a way to get back control of his wrestling library so he'd do anything for a payout. It's sad to see but Bret is just a crybaby. He leads one to believe his whole career was one giant screw job 😂 I can't even listen to his interviews anymore because everyone had it out for him. Whether it's hbk or the kliq, Vince himself, hogan or Goldberg, everyone screwed him over. Hogan I believe but he been doing that his whole life lol Bret should have seen that one coming 😂😂
Ikr it always felt like fake forced hate after a while
Honestly I dont blame Bret but I'd rather he let it go.
We Hart people don’t ever let shit go. Not important shit.
@@iamcasihart Right? We even let the HBK shit go long before Bret because yeah, from a fans perspective, we got WHY it happened. Goldberg, however, was just an untrained ex-football player that couldn't wrestle for shit. Even when he finally popped up in WWE I was like "Oh god....".
@OuTSMOKE i heard someone else bring this up before, but brets head injury and stroke might make it hard for him to let things go or to keep his bitter thoughts to himself. His brain is wired differently now unfortunately
Brett was a work horse and did nothing but being the best he could be respect. That being said you have to understand when you step into that ring anything can happen deliberate or accidental that is the risk you take every time.
I feel for Brett but you cannot be so salty all these years later as you knew the risks bud let it go.
Bret buried the hatchet with Michaels (who's actions were intentional). But then again to my knowledge, Michael's superkicks never seriously injured anyone.
Goldberg is just partially to blame, but I blame WCW management.
Bret told them that he was concussed, and they ignored his pleas and forced him to wrestle further.
Absolutely so much of the hate for goldberg is misdirected. It was the upper management that pushed him so hard after a short time at the wcw power plant. Eric bischoff admitted it. They gave him squash matches to hide the fact he was so green and didn't know how to do a longer match. They should have developed him more before pushing him as a top guy. But it was the monday night wars and they needed every edge they could and it worked for them.
That’s a very good point. We’re talking about the same group of managers who told Sid to do a turnbuckle leap, and look how that turned out.
Yeah, Bill had thrown that side kick probably hundreds of times without issue...just this one was off just enough...shows the tightrope wrestlers walk with normal moves in a match.
Bill's just kind of a tool in responding to Bret about it so it's easy to dog him about it.
"his pleas" stop the cap, bret did some non WCW events too. The guy kept taking risks
Eric Bischoff saw the Steiner brothers r@ping a referee and he just laughed about it, you’re right it’s 100% on WCW management. I think Goldberg is just hated because he was the top WCW star and he was a football guy, old guys like William Regal tried to sabotage Goldberg out of envy. I think Bret finds it easy to blame Goldberg because of that fact
I’d be pissed if I was Bret too, he could’ve went another 10 years like Shawn Michaels if not for Goldberg
It’s a mistake. Get over it. Accidents happen.
Really that kick looks like it barely touches him. Leon Edwards kick to kamaru Usman was much worse.
@@thepistolguy859Leon is in MMA where you’re trying to hurt your opponent, completely different circumstances.
That's one thing people don't seem to understand. Goldberg didn't just injure Bret, he cost him tens of millions of dollars.
@eamonmac2751 Let's say your on a ladder at work and someone is spotting you. They fuck up and you fall and get seriously injured. Do you just "get over it?"
Stevie Richards is probably the most balanced, reasonable, nuanced guy I've ever heard in wrestling. An absolute breath of fresh air to hear his takes on the technics of wrestling, and also on locker-room culture and protocol.
If I'd been looking to train as a wrestler, I think I'd have applied to his wrestling school.
Nobody denies that Goldberg unintentionally injured Bret. What bothers me about Goldberg, and this is coming from a fan who appreciated him in the late nineties, is that he claims he was a good wrestler who was safe in the ring. He's full of himself. That's why it's hard for me to believe that he is really, truly sorry.
I'll never forget nearly having a heart attack watching him drop the Undertaker on his head in a botched Jackhammer. "Safe" my ass.
iv seen A LOT of "Fans" blame Bret and say it was his fault. Even tho u can clearly see in this video he kicked his head off.
@@DashCat9 Don't forget watching Undertaker drop Goldberg right on his head during a botched Tombstone.
@@DashCat9 should watch Takers comments on it... Goldberg was concussed...
@@DashCat9 THAT WAS TAKERS FAULT HE WAS TO FAT AND OLD TO SUPPORT HIMSELF FOR JACKHAMMER GO AND LOOK AND DREW AND LASHLEY THEY TOOK THE JACKHAMMER GREAT
19:35 - The irony of this is that Owen never called Austin after breaking his neck with the pile driver botch.
Another incident that popped in my mind was Juventud botch Juvi Driver on Jerry Lynn in TNA (Michinoku Driver if botch, It's technically Piledriver) And broken his neck.
What the irony? Owen isn’t Brett, Austin didn’t actually “break” his neck (according to Austin), and Austin is still bitter about it.
Owen 3:16 didn’t care
"they're both marks"
Honestly, truer words have never been spoken.
The kick by Goldberg was just the last straw that finally initiated his stroke. It was years of concussions prior to that that led to Bret‘s medical condition.
The stroke happened years later tho cuz he fell of a bike
The last thing I will add, is I’ve had 6 concussions, and it medically retired me. Yes, there is a lot of mental health obstacles that go along with the physical problems. It is so easy to hold a grudge and not be able to let things go. It’s hard to tell if someone is joking, or being serious. I’ve blown up on people I thought were being serious, when it was an innocent joke. Then you feel like an ass (At least in my experience). Thank you both for covering this topic, from all the angles you did.
I sympathize with Brett. If i went through half of the shit that he went through, I would probably be a little bitter. Dude got screwed over by a company he worked his ass off for, then got screwed over by WCW, then his brother tragically died, then he got a career ending injury by a guy who by his own admission couldn’t wrestle. I challenge anyone to go through all of that and come out farting rainbows.
Also with his head injury and stroke I'm sure his brain is wired alittle differently now as far as emotions go. He probably can't hold his bitter thoughts in like the rest of us can
Wrestling in it's day was in it's infancy unlike today where there are many safeguards in place and now there are schools to train in. I wrestled in my day and never made it far but it was fun. Yet what many people do not understand is the moment you step into that ring no matter how well you planned things out anything can happen. It is "You're" choice and if you cannot accept that you can get hurt in the ring you should not be in that ring.
I 100% agree with you what happened to Brett sucks dude was screwed left, right and centre but after all these years dude is still salty on this and yet he made the choice to wrestle and step into the ring so he needs to accept some accountability.
@@Devin-O. Pro wrestling had been around for at least 80 years by the time Goldberg and Bret wrestled. A lot of people say the wrestlers were actually BETTER then.
@pandavelli8176 pro wrestling had been around much longer than that. However, he's right in a sense. When the wcw and wwe became big name companies, they were formed from the ashes of a bunch of small companies. You didnt have the same level of theatrics in the territory days as you were beginning to see on these big shows. Would you say the cell that mankind and undertaker worked on is as safe as the current one? Same for the chamber. Wrestling has evolved alot in the last 30 years. saftey included
No. He didn't want to drop the title cause he was too big of a mark for himself in his country.
Lance Storm said something similar about how it wasn't the Goldberg match that ended Bret's career, it was actually all the matches he wrestled after that did him in.
I'm on Bret's side. This cost Bret a ton of earnings.
Stevie Richard's is the most balanced guy giving input on wrestling. I always appreciate the respect he gives everyone and his genuine positive attitude.
3:18 " the wcw mat is every bit as tight as the wcw one" 🤪
Wise words
I know it may sounds funny to some but did Bret ever consider professional therapy? I think he's still deeply traumatized by all the tragedies that happened to him within a time span of just 4 years.
to me it doesn't sound funny at all.
I do think Bret is doing better in life as those who have been around him have said as much and some things he's admitted at the time were his own issue vs always being someone else's.
yeah honestly i get being a bit salty but listening to his interviews he's straight up bitter about some things..I feel like you need to move on not for other's sake but for yours..it's not healthy to let these emotions fester and boil inside of you.
Bret is far too stubborn for therapy
I think he was also traumatized as a kid. Some of the stuff Stu did to him was straight up wrong.
“I’m not blaming Brett” but then that’s exactly what you do SERIOUSLY goldberg was to green to do some of the things he was trying out there he was reckless……and who wouldn’t be bitter
Except Goldberg wasn't reckless, Bret got the concussion from this figure four above concrete, ht thought he was too good to not be injured. Then he does a series of matches including a hardcore match against Terry Funk. The end of his career is on him. It's funny people blame Goldberg for being reckless, but we're supposed to call people like Kawada demi-Gods despite him dropping people on their neck every single match to the point Misawa's spine was holding by a thread.
4:05 Bret said in his book, WCW's doctors essentially brushed off the concussion, told him to take some painkillers and he'd be fine. So WCW kept booking him in matches despite his insistence he shouldnt be working. I think he even did a hardcore match with Terry Funk (although Bret said Terry took the bulk of the bumps and did his best to take care of him having known the situation). After all that time, just getting sicker and feeling worse, he went to a specialist (coincidentally the head doctor for the NHL) who confirmed he had a serious concussion and had to stop immediately.
Point is, I'm sure he got a concussion from Goldberg's kick, but I believe he may have made it worse continuing to work with it.
Numerous people have complained about Goldberg being dangerous.. Brett is not the first person who has claimed the Goldberg is extremely dangerous and will hurt someone and he has on a number of occasions
Goldberg doesn't belong in this business
Another issue with the kick is the size of the WCW rings. The spacing is so different and Goldberg was too close to Bret after the irish-whip.
Edit: They did mention this after I posted.
Yeah, he mentioned it but was wrong by claiming WCW used 16' rings. In WCW they were 18' like everywhere else.
Yes I agree bill and Bret didn’t have time to adjust to the kick and impact Bret maybe should have ran slower to prepare. (I’m still watching the video as I write this)
@@khamla616 Uh... you should have re-read what you typed instead. 🤣
@@Rjensen2yes they were 18’ WWE were always 20’ though
It never connected enough to cause the issues.
Probably Bret Hart's poor bump her took.
I feel like this is a trick question. A guy kicks you in the head hard enough to give you a concussion and brain damage and costs you money and quality of life....yeah, you are justified in hating that dude.
Bret had concussion before the kick... and the dozens before hand
Bill concussed himself on a ringpost.
@@insomniacbritgaming1632wrong. He had dozens after
Bret Hart got 2.2 million from Lloyds for that kick. Anybody else would be set for life from that money.
@@kadeshaderow Its not about being 'set for life' ya fucking goof.
Bret thought at this moment “You know what? Shawn doesn’t seem so bad”.
Saw this portion of the podcast previously, but came here to remark on Stevie having sleeves in the thumbnail... that was surreal.
After Droz got hurt, WWE took care of him the rest of his life. Bret got hurt, lost millions, looses his career, suffers a stroke...... Meanwhile Goldberg wrestles 1 match in Saudi and makes more than Bret would make in a year!!!! And people call him bitter?
bret left wwe ,
droz, didnt
droz also didn't have terry funk come over the next day and bash him on the head with a trash can. a bit of a joke for something so serious but still. two different people taking very different paths with one being undeniably worse than the other but somehow he seemed to have found peace. and a tank. they really fucking took care of him.
@@cats362Bret never wanted to leave WWE
@@cats362 Bret didn't want to leave, it was Vince who turned around and said "I'll give you my blessing to sign with Turner and I'll rip this contract up!", THEN Vince came back to him after Bret had signed with WCW and said "Good news, Bret! I can still keep you on for that twenty year contract because business has gone up with pay per view sales!" and Bret was like "Are you fuckin' kidding me?! I JUST signed with Turner because YOU told me to!"
@@TheWMDRabsolutely not true and cope
William Regal has stated during a match with Goldberg he carried him for 6 mins because Goldberg couldn't go more than 2mins. Goldberg denies that Regal carried him
And didn't Bret say he had that concussion but wouldn't go to hospital to get checked and it's a reason why he had his stroke
William Regal was wasted on drugs and purposely made Goldberg look bad
Bret said that WCW never got a doctor to check him over and just gave him painkillers and left him to get on with it. You can't leave a concussed person to make decisions like that for themselves. That's why most sports today have concussion protocols in place.
@Bernicia295 yeah now most professional sports have a concussion protocol but they didn't back then the NFL concussion protocol started in 2011
@@Bernicia295 Arrr I just read about something that he didn't get checked out that's all
@@Bernicia295 especially in wrestling where it's fill to the brim of people too tough for their own good.
Why is Bret the only wrestler labelled 'bitter' when others like Bischoff still get hot at the likes of Dave Meltzer for things he wrote 25 years ago. No matter how inaccurate Dave's reporting was, it didnt give anyone a concussion.
because people hate the truth
@@mattm6580 Bret's depressed.
Everything Meltzer says is a work. You think that redneck chuckfuck Cornette actually hates him? You think Eric Bichoff actually hates him?
Or Goldberg himself as he still pisses and moans about that Regal match.
@@desisdosis473 I don't think he's depressed or bitter in general, but definitely gets upset when constantly being asked about the worst moments of his life over and over again.
Its weird. I recall in one of my old DVD's Bret saying its too bad that Goldberg had to be the one who ended his career because Bill was a good guy. Not the exact words but something along those lines. Not sure why he is more angry now?
I think what set Bret off the most was the ungodly pay days goldberg got for those Saudi shows and Bret thinking had the concussion not happened he'd be getting in on that
He's not, but that doesn't make for a very good video.
@@ryankeefe2102Sounds like Bret has completely lost his marbles.
@@desisdosis473 I mean, he did have a really bad stroke... So yeah. Sounds about right
Jealousy, not bitterness
Imma be honest i absolutely understand bret. Wrestling was his life and he took it very seriously, having lost family members who were in the business besides him. If your life gets ruined like that and you cant live it like you could before i absolutely understand the grudge. Obviously it be more mature and healthy to just let it go, but thats easy to say and i dont know if he could or it even be possible since wrestling was such a big part for him. Its always easy to say something if you are the viewer, but humans arent optimal beings and we are dictated by feelings. 100% understand bret.
He took wrestling way too seriously, almost as much as if it was a legit sport "I don't lose on canada!" says plenty about how deep he had his head on his butt, even Punk lost in chicago during his AEW run, that's massive levels of markism
@@Quetzalpacheco-hv9tb he did provide for his family by wresting so it’s his way to live and make ends meet. Wrestling is definitely important for him
Forgiveness is not for the other person or entity. It is so that weight gets off your shoulder. Best advice I have ever had.
That's called letting it go. I think people changed the meaning of forgiveness to benefit themselves. They should make up another word for it, which means letting it go. It can be argued for letting things go, but forgiveness means for the other person. Not everyone can be forgiven, but it can be argued a whole lot more can be let go of.
I guess Bret doesnt hate Goldberg for ending his career, he hates him as a wrestler because he perceives Goldberg never really learned the lesson and showed any concern for the sake of future opponents. That and maybe Goldberg never apologised properly to him for what he did.
Just take a look at his match against the undertaker and you will find out how reckless Goldberg still is in the ring.
I saw this video "Top Ten Hardest Wrestlers To Work With." Goldberg hit #2 because as the narrator mentioned, he was reckless and didn't know the basics. It's a wonder that he didn't hurt others.
@@glamgal7106 He did hurt others all the time, just a lot of the time it was minor injuries or on bottom card guys so you don't hear about it and they usually don't complain because it's part of the job kinda.
Would love it if you could review another infamous Goldberg moment, his match against Regal, and share your opinion on whether you think Regal took liberties or not.
With both sides sticking steadfastly to their stories over the years it would be good to get an informed, neutral take on it.
Yes. 1: Because Goldberg had tons of time and people around him available to get better at his craft. But he never tried to get good, control his power and become safer in the ring... just look how he almost killed Taker last time he wrestled. 2: He has never really given a sincere apology or felt genuinely bad about it as far as I have seen it's always been a half assed "Yeah, yeah, sorry it happened. Didn't mean to hurt you, get over it." kinda deal.
Not Stevie Richards calling Bret Hart and Goldberg marks 😂😂
It's kind of true though, lol.
@@BIGARMADA1988 exactly. If you look at it, he's spot on.
@@BIGARMADA1988 no it’s kinda not. Bret Hart knows wrestling isn’t a real fight. Hes not a paying customer. He’s not a mark. He’s a guy who took his job seriously.
Exactly the comment I was gonna put up. I mean come on at least Nash had a moment at the top, but it’s a bit rich coming from the BwO
Pot calling the kettle black
I read Bret's book and what I remember is his doctor telling him that he had countless concussions from his stampede wrestling days to even after the Goldberg kick. Goldberg was unsafe, but it doesn't change the fact that Bret had concussions that he'd taken for 20 years.
I feel bad for Bret because not only was his career cut short by Goldberg's botched thrust kick, but just a few months prior his little brother was killed in a horrifying accident. Everything in Bret's life was completely upended in less than half a year. So I feel he's justified in his resentment and criticism of Goldberg. I just hope, for Bret's own mental health, that he's able to let go of that hatred he has festering inside him. He doesn't have to forgive or forget, but I know from experience holding onto hatred devours you from the inside out.
Bret is one of my favorite wrestlers and I just want him to be at peace mentally.
He probably blames himself for not being there to back his brother. Because owen didn't want to do it but felt he he had to
@@tylerdurden788 it's certainly possible.
I think the main reason why Bret keeps talking about it is because he had a stroke. Stroke survivors tend to fixate on certain things and since this is essentially the end of Bret's career, it's no wonder that he keeps talking about it.
And as for the Goldust match, I think that Goldust simply couldn't hold on when Bret went backwards.
The move was called the mule kick at the time because it's curves more. Thrust kick is more straight in.
😂😂😂
He comes off more mad at Goldberg than Vince for getting his brother killed due to negligence
Did he ever publicly blame wwe or Vince for that?
@@Jcompositionsyes
money speaks louder than brothers
That's peak gaslighting.
You have NO IDEA what Bret thinks about that
Screw you
I mean, Bret told Owen he was dead to him for staying in WWF, maybe that's why.
I'm a massive Bret Hart fan. At some point he needs to let the hate go. He's not hurting anybody but himself. Hate eats you up and ruins your quality of life.
7:24 the whole point of the post figure 4 is that he can only have the move on for 5 seconds, it's illegal so it's not to set the sharpshooter it's to get heat. Remember Bret wrestled face most of his career he didn't really have many moves that got him heel heat.
“Say it to my face, BILL Richards”
I like that you tried to see from both Bret and Goldberg's sides. Bret has said, "Forgive but never forget." From what I've heard, he has to take medication to prevent strokes. I've also met him many times. He remains a very warm, genuine person. I'm sure Goldberg didn't have intentions to hurt him and feels remorseful. Yet recently on this UA-cam video that featured the top 10 hardest wrestlers to work with, Goldberg made #2. The narrator mentioned that Goldberg was restless and didn't even know the basics. Thanks for your imput.
Let’s just admit we all love how Bret hates on Goldberg 😆
It’s this lmao. Bret is such a quality hater, mans really is the best 😂
@@mashonemrightfully so
@@mashonem The best there is, the best there was and the best there ever well be lol
No we don’t. Bret sucks and his boring ass wrestling style wouldn’t have lasted much longer.
Effing right!!!!!! Bret Hart cursing Goldberg for 2 minutes is better than any 2 minute Goldberg squash, or 2 minute Blue World Order skit.
Bret wrestled a hardcore match shortly after this Goldberg match, which is something that is constantly overlooked.
Thank you. Been saying that for 25 years
He wrestled benoit AFTER Goldberg.....Benoit AFTER goldberg...... Brock lesnar did not start the multiple suplexes. Benoit in every match did 3 german suplexes in a row. In every match. Just like bret did the 2nd turnbuckle elbow spot. How can someone protect their head and neck taking 3 German suplexes in a row?
If a dude did something that cost you your career, cost you alot of money for you and your family, cost you quality of life and caused you to sustain an injury that will stay with you forever, you have every right to be pissed off at that dude and hate him for life. It’s that simple.
There is a difference between being angry about it and seemingly being bitter for the rest of your life over an accident. bret just seems like a miserable person to be around from his interviews.
You shouldn't hate ANYONE.
"Protect yourself at all times" He actually thinks he's a fighter ffs
The thing that cost him his career was wrestling after and not healing from the concussion. His brother almost ended Stone Colds career and you didn't see him have this life long grudge. He knew he was hurt and tried to heal from it. It shortened his career drastically and he isn't writing books about how bad of a person Owen was. Goldberg made a mistake on going high, fine. But that happens. Bret continued to wrestle and to concuss himself and not allow himself to get better.
@@geedee1264 mark
Bret’s always held his Legacy in high regard. It’s probably not specifically Goldberg but his final years in wrestling.
His long time boss gave him a crap send off to the competition. Once there Bret hated Bischoff, Hogan and their clique. Working with Goldberg was probably the nail in the coffin.
I wish Bret would let it go but I completely understand. I can guarantee that if someone cost you $7 million then you would probably run that person down and hate them your whole life too
I don’t think it’s Goldberg's fault because Bret was wrestling with concussions before this match. Being with someone as green as Goldberg, he was already running the risk of getting hurt badly. Plus, he continued to wrestle after this, so he needs to stop blaming Goldberg for not protecting him when he shouldn’t been out there in the first place with concussion issues.
This IS THE same guy that dropped Taker on his head..
Goldberg almost knocked himself out cold in that match, too. It was just a sloppy match that shouldn't have happened.
And Bret Mark is the same guy who would do a fake ass looking figure four where he'd land on his head every time...also the guy that admitted he would straight up stomp on a guy's head in the corner and then directly after saying that "but I never hurt anybody" as if a jobber or a rookie would be willing to say Bret hurt them with Bret being the top star.
@@mrcool1519 What? are you a kid? Clearly you have never been a worker. Bret Hart NEVER hurt anyone, look at his list of opponents. HBK, Hogan, never worked anyone that was stiff. Its why you never saw Vader, Rude, etc ever get runs against Hogan especially Rude. Being stiff is self burial tool. The post figure four was only done a handful of times anyway. Hitting your head easily can happen but kicking someone in the head? Its way over the point of hitting your head. RVD is another guy that was stiff and it limited his push early on.
taker also dropped him on his head with a tombstone in that same match. I would call it even.
@@hinro what? No he didnt. Taker tombstone always has air between the head and mat. You need glasses
Happy to see Stevie doing well here on YT. His content was already good, but lately with the back and forth conversation, its on another level. Good stuff
I get why bret got upset back then. Let it go . He and the others knew Goldberg wasn't properly trained. I dont believe he intentionally hurt bret.
I'm just glad for Stevie . This stuff and videos like it, is what I've always wanted in wrestling.
This is such a weird take. Bret himself never claimed that he blames solely Goldberg for ending his career. In fact Bret forgave Goldberg, he even called Goldberg good hearted on the DVD. Goldberg has come out saying he's not apologizing to Bret anymore bc Bret doesn't forgive him but Bret literally does - Bret is also just very honest about his career and doesn't pull punches. Whether you want to admit it or not Goldberg kicking Bret in the head 200% committed to his early retirement. Yes his other concussions also contributed but a wrestling mat can't apologize and stay humble, and apparently neither can Goldberg.
Exactly.
Bret gets asked about Goldberg and the end of his career and of course he's going to recall it under bad circumstances, he'll have a monotone voice and literally just recall exactly what happened.
Goldberg gets asked about the same thing and Goldberg just goes off on Bret because he can't handle that he injured someone, thats literally it.
This beef is one sided.
i could never imagine Owen Hart talking to Steve Austin the same way Goldberg talks about Bret Hart. Austin repeatedly took chair shots to the head and gave out stunners that dramatically strained his spine that was injured by Owen - BUT IT WAS INJURED BY OWEN and Austin admits this. Austin doesn't hold resent just like Bret doesn't but they're open to talking about what happened. Goldberg isnt.
@@HawksPassedDemidovAndEiserman honestly its only because he died.
And Owen never apologized for Steve afterwards, and it wasn't the first time he injured someone with the same spot.
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Right. This is very uncharacteristic for SR.
this takes a 2007 interview and then hear say from a third party with little credibility in Bischoff. Then extrapolate on to 2024.
If I had an accident 25 years ago that cost me the only career my family had ever known, and 25 years later people keep asking how I felt 25 years ago, I’m going to tell them how I felt.
One of the funniest comments I’ve ever seen was someone saying their dream match was Brett Hart vs. Goldberg in a No Holds Barred match and Bret has a gun
2:03 look what you drew lmao
This is the best analysis I have seen of this situation. I've been trying to explain this for years. It's nice to see somebody else make this case.
Commenting before I watch this video.
Yes, yes he is.
Pro wrestling was his life. He was a professional, and took the business seriously. He worked his whole life to be as good as he was, and put his all into it every night. And it all ended in such a shitty way.
It’s sad that he’s still so bitter about it, I’d rather him be at peace. But it is what it is.
There are no accidents; just a lack of preparation and planning by wrestlers and, more, importantly by management.
There is a great book by Jessie Singer named, 'There Are No Accidents ".
While no one denies Goldberg being responsible for Bret’s injury; my biggest beef is the guy had a history of being unsafe long before he ever worked with Bret. In one match alone within about 10 seconds of each other, he dropped Meng on his head from a vertical suplex and then threw Jimmy Hart onto his face like a dart.
It’s one thing to be green. Everyone was guilty of that when new. But Goldberg was flat out dangerous. And you can’t blame it on being a former athlete new to wrestling because Lex Luger, Steve McMichael, Randy Savage and Darren Drozdov all played either pro or semi pro ball and none of them were dangerous. Hell Dennis Rodman was greener than a lime and even he worked fine.
#Truth 💪✊💯🫡
Nah. Here's Bret's own words in his book:
"“I was more responsible than anyone for downplaying my condition to myself and everyone else. I let myself go on, believing that the problem was a sore neck." So he had 9 more matches after that injuring himself more.
"“I sat in Dr. Meeuwisse’s office in Calgary. He noticed that I was slurring my words. The doctor said, ‘I can feel a hole in the back of your neck the size of a quarter…’
“He felt around the back of my skull. ‘This part here feels like hamburger. I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but your career is probably over…’”
You can't get those two injuries from being kicked in the side of the face. That can't happen on this planet. Bret's blaming a guy for ruining his career and life instead of taking accountability.
No one Blames it on him being a “former athlete” he was literally to tv with no proper training whatsoever and was given the gimmick of a destroyer.
Which is called irresponsibility or even criminal neg!igence because its the opponent who has no say in it is the one who is at risk being crippled
@@geedee1264 Yes it’s the organizations fault it’s the company’s fault. They took a random shot in the dark on the ultimate green guy and he became their biggest star. There’s gonna be plenty of issues when you make a decision like that.
Bret was getting 3 million a year for WCW and injury pay was only 75 k a year. There was huge pressure for Bret to play through the injury, not to mention that PCS was not taken seriously back then. Heck, even the NHL is still battling the importance of CTE in disabling its players after thier careers (esp enforcers).
I think it was on that documentary where Eric Bischoff said “who’s the more experienced talent?” Saying Bret should’ve taken more responsibility of that match. Yes, the risks are real. They’re always real. So everytime they go out, they shouldn’t think they’re going to get hurt, but understand, that it’s not impossible that injuries can happen. I worked construction, and we all respected the risks and did our jobs and did what it took to avoid injuries, and with all that said, injuries are still very possible
I get it too, WCW needed a new star, saw Goldberg training and said there he is, send him out. Shame it happened, but like Stevie said, I’m glad too that Goldberg said, “I’ve said sorry enough”
Bret is right. Wcw rings seemed smaller too. Also Bill didn’t grab Bret’s leg during the post spot.
Well, people are ALWAYS asking Bret about the screw job AND Goldberg, so you're gonna hear about those a lot. Bret talks about WAY more things.
Owen's death?
@@supportpatriarchyordietryinghe talks about it when he is asked. Are you ok?
I love you man
The thumbnail made me laugh like stupid 🤣🤣🤣
I would argue that Bret should be just as mad at the people who were responsible for pushing Goldberg to the moon before he was trained in the ring properly.
Oh I believe he definitely mad at Bischoff for sure.
100% this as well. Plenty of enablers who are also responsible for problems Bill caused. Cause it was absolutely not Bret alone. There’s a lot of testimonies and film showing Bill’s bad form.
I honestly believe he's using Bill as a scapegoat for his career ending, mainly through jealousy. I've met Bret, and honestly, I've never met anyone so bitter and resentful.
It's not about Goldberg it's about a person that simply can't let go. Bret's bitterness is slowy starting to overshadow his career.
Like hell it is. Besides, Goldberg cost him millions and ended his career. He has every right to be pissed.
Unfortunately, injuries that cost people millions happen all the time in sports. And the longer you live and compete the more prone you’ll be.
@@linvol20 So no one has a right to complain when they lose millions then.
Do you have any idea how that sounds? 🤣
His legacy will outlive the memory of his bitterness.
Bret blamed Goldberg for his stroke, which happened years later on a bike ride. Its possible, but impossible to prove and to make that accusation is wildly petty
Bret Hart is such a crybaby
Aww you brainless little baby, go back to bed
Bret Hart does nothing but cry all the time
Nothing is ever Goldberg's fault. Just ask him.
You' may be thinking about Gene Snitsky.
Goldberg for years apologized and said it was his fault,so what are you talking about?
Who else was injured by Goldberg?
@@eduardopazhurtado3882 Big Show aka The Giant in WCW. DDP said that Goldberg speared Giant so hard he cracked Giant's sternum. DDP learned from that so in his match with Goldberg when he knew he had to take the spear, he went limp as much as possible to limit the damage Bill did. Bill also concussed himself during that spear because his head hit the mat. Goldberg also injured himself in the match with Undertaker, and there is the story about him headbutting metal lockers. Steve is right when he says that Bill is a mark for himself.
@@tdylan Undertaker also almost killed Goldberg in that same match hehehehe.
My first Stevie videi! I wanted you to know that I was there when you won the WildKat Championship. I was happy to see you and hear Brittany call out your name.
One thing noone talks about is all the matches bret had after this. Including a hardcore match with terry funk.
I see people bring that up every time this subject is discussed. It was entirely the fault of WCW and the fact that concussions were poorly understood in those days. You can't just expect a concussed person to decide whether they're fit to continue working or not.
Here's the thing, if Bret knew he was not right after that, guy should've taken time off. If he could refuse to lose to Shawn in Montreal, he could refuse until he was in better health. Why he thought wrestling a hardcore match after he knew something wasn't right is beyond me. Yeah Goldberg played a part, but Bret should've known better. I love Bret, but the guy has a hard time accepting his role into it.
Well, you didn't watch the video then. Because Stevie talked about every single one of those matches
@@doubles7533 I could've worded my comment better yes. I was actually referring to the fact that he brought it up. And saying that when Bret is interviewed. and running his mouth about it. Noone ever ask him about all those other matches.
Because you can't self diagnose in that position
Goldberg may have apologized but I've never heard him take responsibility.
Now Bret is my favourite wrestler of all time, and I'm a fan of Goldberg for what he was.
But anyone who has done any contact sport has to know that it's not the final ring of your bell that breaks it. Bret would have received countless concussions throughout his career, and each one would have contributed to the brain damage.
You also quickly know the difference between having your bell rung and having it broken
Lemme just say, Droz forgave Dee Lo for the bad power bomb the left him fuckin paralyzed. Droz even put some blame on himself for the fishnet shirt.
D Lo did trip on the baggy clothes, I think the issue with Goldberg was he was just irresponsible, nothing D Lo or Droz could have done to prevent the running powerbomb disaster (massive massive lawsuit for the company of they don't settle it with Drozdov), whereas the belief is Goldberg was just a combination of green, strong, and extremely reckless
@@geedee1264I mean it's pretty blatant that Bret didnt get his hands high enough but "No goldberg kicked over the hands" and Bret didnt get his hands anywhere near high enough.
Studies on Muay Thai, MMA, Boxers and kick boxers have shown that repeated sub concussive blows will cause more brain damage than big time concussive blows will.
That’s why boxers take more brain damage than mma fighters, or Thai or kick boxers. Most of their thrown strikes are aimed towards the head, and the gloves spread out the point of impact, which honestly just rattles the brain more.
MMA gloves are small and sharp, and provides a concentrated point for a quicker knock out.. and less brain damage.
You’ll take more brain damage going 3/5 rounds verses being knocked flat out.
Brett might actually believe wrestling is real
I can see Bret being pissed at Goldberg. The kick was the straw that broke the camel's back and piled on top of who knows how many concussions Bret had worked through over the years. He was one of the best technical wrestlers ever to do it, and that kick is what he views as what took it away from him.
Look how long it took for Bert to forgive the wwe so maybe one day he will forgive him
Well the kick didn’t help the problem is no one recognized that Bret had a concussion and he worked 12 straight days and dropped on his head multiple times if Bret wants to blame some people he needs to blame the people in the back as well
Most fans would have forgotten about him decades ago if Shawn Michaels never existed. All he does now is interviews talking about how wrestling sucks now and how back in his day everyone sucked but he and his family. That dude was my hero as a kid, I feel guilty about that after watching two hours of recent interviews with him. He comes across as a miserable, bitter person. I understand the hatred for Goldberg but he genuinely seems to hate wrestling and wrestling fans in particular.
Goldberg apologized numerous times over the years and Bret actually forgave him at one time until he started it all up again a few years ago. Bret needs to let it go. How many times are you suppose to apologize?
@@imjustsam1745 ngl no one is as miserable as you are. Get yourself better abd remind you mommy to not let you on the internet unsupervised.
I wonder how much of the hatred is due to the brain injuries themselves. Brain damage and strokes can literally change your personality. They can have trouble regulating their emotions and become quick to anger. It’s very common in people with dementia, too. So I wonder if the bitterness of Bret today is a result of brain injury.
Dude you can see clear as day how hard Bill kicked him in the head. The whiplash of his hair and sweat should tell you.
Nah. Here's Bret's own words in his book:
"“I was more responsible than anyone for downplaying my condition to myself and everyone else. I let myself go on, believing that the problem was a sore neck." So he had 9 more matches after that injuring himself more.
"“I sat in Dr. Meeuwisse’s office in Calgary. He noticed that I was slurring my words. The doctor said, ‘I can feel a hole in the back of your neck the size of a quarter…’
“He felt around the back of my skull. ‘This part here feels like hamburger. I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but your career is probably over…’”
You can't get those two injuries from being kicked in the side of the face. That can't happen on this planet. Bret's blaming a guy for ruining his career and life instead of taking accountability.
@@al5306 Its almost as if Bret's not as bitter as people think
@@hyperchordit's almost as if he IS as bitter. Did you not hear the story about how he bitches about goldberg anytime he gets high?
Anyways Bret blatantly didnt get his hands high enough to protect himself, something Goldberg notably told him. But no Goldberg "kicked over his hands" no Bret didnt get it high enough
Wow, Stevie looks amazing for being in his early 50s. He could easily pass for his late 30s to early 40s.
I think that hating Goldberg is part of Bret's schtick now. He knows people eat it up and he delivers it.
That's his new Gimmick.💀
It is, but he's turned a lot fans against Goldberg in the process. People seem to have completely forgotten how big Goldberg was and by effect, also diss any non-technical wrestlers, like Hogan/Warrior etc.
The Vince Russo to his Jim Cornette
That's because Goldberg is an ass and can't get through a match without injuring a fellow worker. Goldberg is so dumb that he punched a car window and took himself out!
It’s easy money for him lol. Keeps him in the public eye since people will debate it forever and he’ll get booked for more interviews.
Don't blame Bret for being bitter at all. A powerhouse wrestler should not be kicking heads. That move should be reserved for smaller guys like Shawn Michaels, who btw did it safely and with more showmanship.
As a fan of both... I'm tired of Bret complaining about it. Also I'm tired of both Bret stans (not fans) and the wrestling community overhating Goldberg to the point of not acknowledging his contribution and innovation to the sport regardless if he's a safe worker or not. Bret should've never went to WCW and either stay with WWE, go to NJPW or just have a hiatus. That's a fatal mistake on his part and like Vince said "Bret screwed Bret".
Bret never wanted to leave WWE, he was forced out by Vince. Vince claimed he couldn't afford the contract he offered to Bret and pushed Bret to go to WCW.
@@SleypnyrtheFallenYou won't get a reply
I love how Bret calls Goldberg by his full government name with such disdain.
'Government name?" 🤔
You aint going to tell bret hart how to wrestle.... that much i know.
Just found your channel yesterday, great to see you Stevie. EC-DUB EC-DUB
Thank you for bringing up the fact that Bret worked dates after the kick! He worked for like a month afterwards. Not saying the kick didn’t give him a concussion, but he should have taken time off afterwards instead of working matches. I know we didn’t know about CTE back then, but we knew enough that he should’ve sat out for at least a couple weeks.
Did you even read his book?
Do you know ANYTHING about how concussions were looked at by the entire world at that point?
Actually, I don't think anybody really took concussions very seriously at all in 1999. And in any case, it wouldn't be fair to blame Bret for not taking time off - people with severe head injuries are not able to make sensible decisions like that.
That ''Grow up'' was savage but needed.
Bret hart is the best wrestler of all time. I thought it when I was a kid in the 90s and I think it more so as an adult
Agreed. In ring work peaked with Bret imo.
On the flip side, all this flippity dippity, series of spots opposed to a telling of a story style work we see now is because of it though. Bret and a few others like HBK were so good, generations to follow had to innovate greatly…but went overboard.
@@FuntClaps101Bret and Shawn hands down the best in ring workers of all time. They were 2 in a million.
@@desisdosis473 Macho Man
Curt Hennig and Eddie Guerrero need to be on that list too. Maybe even Chris Jericho
From a technical standpoint, yea... but in other measures... not necessarily.
I dont think anyone is even close to bret
I can honestly speak to how much a single concussion can change a person. I've suffered multiple, went through PCS, dealt with them before there was protocol. It truly can alter someone's personality to a point where you don't see the things you're doing as anything differently. One of the absolute worst things a person who is concussed, or is suffering from PCS can go through is an emotionally significant event. Such as losing a legendary career to an accident. When you should be giving your brain healing time, you're worrying about paying your bills, your legacy, your family, and everything else. Your brain is in overdrive when it should be on autopilot. I've witnessed it with friends as much as I've gone through it myself. It can cause permanent changes to a person, and often times leaves them bitter.
Even though I do believe it was an accident. You have to factor in Bret getting dazed twice earlier in the match. Even if he knew 1000 times before how to take that move. Confusion on top of confusion can make you do things you normally wouldn't do.
Factor in the stroke. Which I've also witnessed as something that can change a person, as a close family member had one and went from being happy all the time to have uncharacteristically bad moods. All of these can have long-term effects to create a bitter person. Not to mention all the money left on the table for someone like Bret Hart.
As someone who took himself so seriously, and the business. The bitterness makes sense when factoring in all these other things. I just hope for Bret's sake he can one day figure out what it is he needs to move past this. I know how extremely difficult that can be given trauma to the brain, but carrying around that albatross only adds weight and stress he really doesn't need.
Wish both men nothing but the best and good health. Certainly wish this situation could have ended differently.
Bret didn’t get his hand up in time and then worked dates after the kick. Just as much his fault.
In the video Stevie shows that Bret did get his hand up. And you would seriously blame a concussed person for continuing to work with a head injury? Why do you think most sports today have concussion protocols in place and don't just leave the injured person to make their own decisions?
@@Bernicia295Bret Meat Rider
@@AlfredFJones1776you are not cery smart, little boy
An under trained amateur injured a seasoned professional who's life is wrestling and had it stolen from him. Why wouldn't Bret have every right to be pissed?
I'm glad you showed the Goldust footage...if anyone in the industry is going to be in the right position, at the right time, for ANY assistance during a spot, it's going to be Dustin Rhodes.