I was playing this game in a JCB JS330 earlier today. Great fun when you are sat practically laying flat in the cab sliding backwards ..... We beat the hill eventually....
I, for one am impressed. Many of the comments here are of people who really don't know what they are talking about. That ground is slippery than all get out! The trees drop their forage and make just one slippery mess all over the place! Would I have done things differently? yes, but which operator wouldn't have? And I wasn't there so I don't know the whole extent of the terrain. Kuddos to the two getting out!
@Matthew Hoopes you're fucking stupid, apparently you've never operated either piece of equipment. Momentum isn't going to help either of these machines that move at 9mph max. You're not a pipeliner and I can tell that 😂😂
First of all, I know the dozer operator was keeping his blade low incase he starting slipping backward, he could dig it in and stop himself. That is good, but, when you realize you are slipping in the mud, you back out of the way and let the excavator scrape out the top couple inches of mud where each track will travel. And for the excavator, unless you have a rock or tree stump to grab onto, you push yourself up the hill, not pull, because when you put that bucket in the ground in front of you, you are taking too much weight off the tracks for good traction. Lastly, some people suggested going up the hill on a 45 degree angle or sideways....wrong! When you put tracks on mud or ice sideways, the tracks act like sled runners and when you get sliding down the slope on a dozer or excavator, you stand a good chance of flipping the machine and having a real bad day. Fifty one years experience operating dozers, loaders, and excavators. I should know something.
He was also doing it to try and gather more traction by moving the wight forward more notice he moves it up and down a few times real fast it helps sometimes
It might not have been possible at the very bottom, but the guy in the dozer should zig and zag and he would have gotten up that hill in half the time. The guy in the Kobelco excavator got really creative to get up the hill. That bucket is a lifesaver. Lots of experience there.
Correct...its really easy... its the same on ice and snow too,like an sled. Where I live there is snow 7 months a year so I often go sideways. You are not so lost,common sense is the most important tool we have in this buisness...and you got some of that:)
Actually, most dozers from the 80's and up are totally independent in drives. Most newer dozers are hydrostatic drive and steer/operate in a similar fashion to a stick steer lawnmower. Not only is there no diff lock you have a totally separate drive for each track,
I know I am about 8 years late, but I am watching this for the first time. Thanks for making that clear. I was wondering why the tracks were spinning at different rates and one spinning while the other was still, at times. Being locked together, along with some more aggressive cleats, would have helped a lot, especially if the mud would release from the tracks.
Both done a good job, I been a long time operator. I can tell you at 8:25 you just about lost it , it started raring up and you had the boom extended, you throttled down and tracks sit back down, I can tell you sitting in the seat that would have dropped my stomach just a little. Thanks for posting.
I always hated mud in winter, I drove the big Terex dump truck, but was delegated with taking the sharp shooter shovel to clean the dozier under carriage at the end of the day, mud tends to freeze on the rollers overnight and limit movement, wearing them out. Our trackhoe's had wide tracks on them, I've seen them practically float across an area that was 16' of back fill, my big truck would start sinking if I didn't drive fast across it.
Those tracks look pretty smooth and flat. Most of the ones I usually see on dozers and track hoe's have some type of prominent raised tread ribs for better traction, like on an army tank.
I drive a 870 which is a bit bigger then that lol . Sorry for the bad joke to those who get it . (Drive) had to do it . Needs a tad more experience and just a tad more experience Haha. We all started clawing up a hill with no idea what the heck we were doing lol . Wanted to shout out to all the OPERATORS . We are 2 percent of the public. We all stick together. Run hard and faker till ya maker boys''''' and gals ......
I have taken a D9 straight up hills like this right after rain. Them tracks must have been worn down badly. The guy on the excavator was toying with disaster though.. Even if you are good enough to feel the balance and know you won't flip, it is still best to not take the chance on such an expensive piece of equipment. Keep the arm to the rear and continue pushing your way up.
Dozers will climb slopes that look impossible, and scary, due to their weight,tracks,steady power,so I dunno what happened other than slip differential,and rocky mud but once he makes it to the top he can make the hill...less hilly LOL
I would like to clearify a fact of physics about the excavator and weather or not the operator should reach behind him or in front, The logic for reaching behind is so you dont take weight of the tracks decreasing pressure. In actuality its a wash. It doesnt matter as for as weight distribution if your over the back or the front, either way weight comes off the side your pulling or pushing from and increases to the rear of the machine. I have been running excavators for over twenty years and in all applications from pipe lining to highway and civil development. I have taken excavators up 1/1 slopes, have sat and operated on 1 1/2-1 slopes, basically I am very comfortable on steep slopes. I always pull myself up since the two techniques are a wash its best for safety and control to see and watch where your going. In fact pipe liners are the only bunch I know of that turn around and push them selves up the slope and sorry to say even though they are the best paid (which is due to politics subsidies) they are typically the least qualified and skilled.
turn around and go up backward ! you can pull more then you can push, the dozer is trying to push the blade and the weight of the motor . if you go up backward and keep blade low if it starts to slide back down drop blade.
+James Sarensen My dad, back in the day, had to do the same thing with an excavator. The rest of the crew of bulldozers made it over the hill and then cleared the next hill effectively leaving my dad all by himself to clear the hills and valley. After he cleared the first hill and started down into the valley, the excavator slipped in the mud, and my dad saw his entire life flash before his eyes when he and the excavator was sliding down the hill. After that, the bulldozer crew figured out that they left my dad behind, and came back for him. He learned a valuable life lesson. If the bulldozer crew want to be assholes, and leave you behind on the excavator, get on the CB and whine like a bitch until they come to get you.
@@jordanwolff9010 he is right if the dozer went up backwards he would make it, keep the blade just high enough to keep it off the ground...ive dome it0 many times in the same situation
You always know a good operator on how well they get a digger up a steep bank first thing my boss does to a new start is put them in a 10 ton and say theres a 45 degree bank get it up it dozer operator could have done a better job though
Idk why people saying he could did anything different ain't like he had many options it's strait shot on a slippery slope idc how long you been operating one of these if it ain't going to go it's just not going. You just take it the best way u can to get the job done.
Question re digger operator: would it have been better for him to 'push' himself up with his boom and bucket, or 'pull', as he did most of the time? My operator mate reckoned push was both more effective - and safer.
There is so much written here, but no one understood that if the bulldozer turns around, it will calmly drive into this climb in reverse. I am sure and I know because I have seen it in practice.
People are saying the dozer guy needs to push the mud off lmao. Well first if he can barely make it up the hill without pushing the ground at all, then there is no way in hell he would be able to push a load up that steep hill.
Every time the dozer man matches the speed of the left and right tracks he makes progress, whenever he spins one side faster than the other he loses ground. Far to much rev/spinning going on. That being said, he got her up there.
Excellent Video . . I'm amazed at the number of dislikes. Those guys did a nice job working together to clear that muddy grade. You could clearly see the CAT's tracks were packed with mud . . hardly getting any traction at all. Really liked the way the backhoe operator kept pulling fresh dirt up around his tracks to gain better traction.
Yeah, I noticed the right track wasn't doing as much work as the left, that hill has pushed it closer to an overhaul tho, I can bet the fluid was damn near boiling when he crossed the peak of that hill.
maybe its because the forward drive is stronger than the reverse drive ? as a disclaimer I dont know anything about heavy machinery like this, so I wouldnt know the real answer...
Same as if you take a skid steer up a steep slope with a load on the bucket backwards. Eventually all of your weight goes to the front, and the surface area of the tracks actually on the ground decreases as you're trying to go up the hill, everything goes to the front.
no it dosent work like that...both tracks drag at same power all the time. Ergo,there is like a diff.. When you turn the dozer you use the brakes,one brake on each track. You often have to use the brakes to "jiggle" forward if the grip on the ground is bad. Hope this helped you.:)
Don't you love how you state something basically as a fact because you have experience in what you stated and then someone still tells you it won't work?
I suppose they do, funny you tell me this when I have not once questioned it. I've not been on hills with equipment, middle TN is flat, but I've been in mud, hated cleaning the tracks out at the end of the day so it would not freeze and mess up the undercarriage the next morning.
The grousers are not the problem.the operator should pull himself up and track at the same time .also you don't lift the tracks off the ground when your pulling this will cause no TRACTION just like at the end of the video mate.
Why do most excavators have smooth tracks? They don't turn like a loader constantly so I can't imagine it is to stop from tearing up the dirt. And they both tear up asphalt so they aren't really roadable.
I was playing this game in a JCB JS330 earlier today. Great fun when you are sat practically laying flat in the cab sliding backwards .....
We beat the hill eventually....
I've seen catskinners back up steep hills. Don't know if that would have helped. Great job!
So this is that "Slippery Slope" I've heard so much about...
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I, for one am impressed. Many of the comments here are of people who really don't know what they are talking about. That ground is slippery than all get out! The trees drop their forage and make just one slippery mess all over the place! Would I have done things differently? yes, but which operator wouldn't have? And I wasn't there so I don't know the whole extent of the terrain. Kuddos to the two getting out!
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@Matthew Hoopes you're fucking stupid, apparently you've never operated either piece of equipment. Momentum isn't going to help either of these machines that move at 9mph max. You're not a pipeliner and I can tell that 😂😂
Drop blade and backdrag.... going up further each time. When you get to top turn around and dry slope up
First of all, I know the dozer operator was keeping his blade low incase he starting slipping backward, he could dig it in and stop himself. That is good, but, when you realize you are slipping in the mud, you back out of the way and let the excavator scrape out the top couple inches of mud where each track will travel. And for the excavator, unless you have a rock or tree stump to grab onto, you push yourself up the hill, not pull, because when you put that bucket in the ground in front of you, you are taking too much weight off the tracks for good traction. Lastly, some people suggested going up the hill on a 45 degree angle or sideways....wrong! When you put tracks on mud or ice sideways, the tracks act like sled runners and when you get sliding down the slope on a dozer or excavator, you stand a good chance of flipping the machine and having a real bad day. Fifty one years experience operating dozers, loaders, and excavators. I should know something.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge sir
This is what I wanna do when I grow up I know how to use excavator sort of my dad taught me a lot of stuff before he passed
Rick Tanguay u r right
Well stated.
He was also doing it to try and gather more traction by moving the wight forward more notice he moves it up and down a few times real fast it helps sometimes
Coulda strolled right up the hill if they woulda just let a little air out the tracks.
Air out of the tracks ? WTF
This comment made my evening! Well done.
@@derickshalo384 well, at least one person got it, lol.
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You mean grease! :)
One of Elf & Safety's sillier ideas is a reversing bleeper on a 360
for some reason,this reminds me of my childhood days
It might not have been possible at the very bottom, but the guy in the dozer should zig and zag and he would have gotten up that hill in half the time.
The guy in the Kobelco excavator got really creative to get up the hill. That bucket is a lifesaver. Lots of experience there.
That's what the old timers called "Skinning Equipment" WELL DONE!
An English built JCB would fly up there.
Aww, country fights, how cute!
Then we have to fly a mechanic in to fix it before it could get back down.. lol I’m just teasing mate.
ridiculously skilled operators and brave management
Not much cleating left on those tracks. Maybe time for a new set.
They're called grousers
Correct...its really easy... its the same on ice and snow too,like an sled. Where I live there is snow 7 months a year so I often go sideways. You are not so lost,common sense is the most important tool we have in this buisness...and you got some of that:)
The power of CAT propels you!!
Wow, talk about the slippery slope. Good job! Looked fun.
0:19 Teasing the bull with hay at the top......thats just cold lol
That reminds me a lot about life.
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I blame the liberals
Good video !
Very good help by the excavator for the dozer. Very very good driving ! It's dangerous !!!!
Actually, most dozers from the 80's and up are totally independent in drives. Most newer dozers are hydrostatic drive and steer/operate in a similar fashion to a stick steer lawnmower. Not only is there no diff lock you have a totally separate drive for each track,
I know I am about 8 years late, but I am watching this for the first time. Thanks for making that clear. I was wondering why the tracks were spinning at different rates and one spinning while the other was still, at times. Being locked together, along with some more aggressive cleats, would have helped a lot, especially if the mud would release from the tracks.
LOL Those tracks are about like a pair of smooth jaw Chanel-locks.
Both done a good job, I been a long time operator. I can tell you at 8:25 you just about lost it , it started raring up and you had the boom extended, you throttled down and tracks sit back down, I can tell you sitting in the seat that would have dropped my stomach just a little. Thanks for posting.
that every man who works with the excavator must know!
That Kobelco is a sure useful stuff
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The video doesn't do that hill justice. That son of a gun is pretty dang steep! Nice video, buddy.
Thanks!
I like heavy equipment. The operator is a very good skill. Very good engine sound. Thank you from Japan.
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it!
it got nothing to do with driver or the machine. both are very good operator
I always hated mud in winter, I drove the big Terex dump truck, but was delegated with taking the sharp shooter shovel to clean the dozier under carriage at the end of the day, mud tends to freeze on the rollers overnight and limit movement, wearing them out. Our trackhoe's had wide tracks on them, I've seen them practically float across an area that was 16' of back fill, my big truck would start sinking if I didn't drive fast across it.
Those tracks look pretty smooth and flat. Most of the ones I usually see on dozers and track hoe's have some type of prominent raised tread ribs for better traction, like on an army tank.
I drive a 870 which is a bit bigger then that lol . Sorry for the bad joke to those who get it . (Drive) had to do it . Needs a tad more experience and just a tad more experience Haha. We all started clawing up a hill with no idea what the heck we were doing lol . Wanted to shout out to all the OPERATORS . We are 2 percent of the public. We all stick together. Run hard and faker till ya maker boys''''' and gals ......
Faker till ya maker bud .
I have taken a D9 straight up hills like this right after rain. Them tracks must have been worn down badly. The guy on the excavator was toying with disaster though.. Even if you are good enough to feel the balance and know you won't flip, it is still best to not take the chance on such an expensive piece of equipment. Keep the arm to the rear and continue pushing your way up.
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I would be trying to do tricks with the excavator, which is likely why no one would let me behind the wheel. Nice job guys...
Dozers will climb slopes that look impossible, and scary, due to their weight,tracks,steady power,so I dunno what happened other than slip differential,and rocky mud but once he makes it to the top he can make the hill...less hilly LOL
The treads for both machines were not designed for soft mud and climbing, esp the excavator.
If it's really wet grousers don't matter
That first grade was STEEP. Crazy. Interesting to watch
this guys are some of the most imaginative drivers i've known!
thanks for the clarification, I suspected as much as it would be realy strange for a bulldozer to not have top notch offroad capability.
.....why do I find this so fascinating to watch
I would like to clearify a fact of physics about the excavator and weather or not the operator should reach behind him or in front, The logic for reaching behind is so you dont take weight of the tracks decreasing pressure. In actuality its a wash. It doesnt matter as for as weight distribution if your over the back or the front, either way weight comes off the side your pulling or pushing from and increases to the rear of the machine. I have been running excavators for over twenty years and in all applications from pipe lining to highway and civil development. I have taken excavators up 1/1 slopes, have sat and operated on 1 1/2-1 slopes, basically I am very comfortable on steep slopes. I always pull myself up since the two techniques are a wash its best for safety and control to see and watch where your going. In fact pipe liners are the only bunch I know of that turn around and push them selves up the slope and sorry to say even though they are the best paid (which is due to politics subsidies) they are typically the least qualified and skilled.
turn around and go up backward ! you can pull more then you can push, the dozer is trying to push the blade and the weight of the motor . if you go up backward and keep blade low if it starts to slide back down drop blade.
well put .
+James Sarensen My dad, back in the day, had to do the same thing with an excavator. The rest of the crew of bulldozers made it over the hill and then cleared the next hill effectively leaving my dad all by himself to clear the hills and valley. After he cleared the first hill and started down into the valley, the excavator slipped in the mud, and my dad saw his entire life flash before his eyes when he and the excavator was sliding down the hill. After that, the bulldozer crew figured out that they left my dad behind, and came back for him. He learned a valuable life lesson. If the bulldozer crew want to be assholes, and leave you behind on the excavator, get on the CB and whine like a bitch until they come to get you.
his got the blade up front to keep weight down to get traction............................
@@jordanwolff9010 he is right if the dozer went up backwards he would make it, keep the blade just high enough to keep it off the ground...ive dome it0 many times in the same situation
That takes some real courage and skill to pull that off
Okay Thank you so much.
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"Shit! I must go down again, I forgot my lunch in the car ..."
You always know a good operator on how well they get a digger up a steep bank first thing my boss does to a new start is put them in a 10 ton and say theres a 45 degree bank get it up it dozer operator could have done a better job though
WestIsBest ..your boss just has a 45 degree slope, just stashed in his back pocket. Get off of your mommy's computer, rookie.
I think I can, I think I can!
As an engineer, I think I chose the wrong career path... this would be a lot more fun.
It's definitely fun most of the time!
@@duramarks always an adrenaline rush climbing up hill sides
@@hahah2804 It definitely is, I wish i had some footage from my last pipeline. There were some monster hills and all the excavators had big grousers.
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Weld on some grousers !
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Be careful doing that. Grousers on our d8t caused our transmission temp to run too high
Almost like driving in soap, entertaining video
Hello, great video, good driver, thank you for sharing
Thanks!
Eh paul lanyi, that's not a backhoe that's a 360 excavator. A backhoe has a loading shovel at the front. I hope that helps.
Idk why people saying he could did anything different ain't like he had many options it's strait shot on a slippery slope idc how long you been operating one of these if it ain't going to go it's just not going. You just take it the best way u can to get the job done.
Question re digger operator: would it have been better for him to 'push' himself up with his boom and bucket, or 'pull', as he did most of the time? My operator mate reckoned push was both more effective - and safer.
Title should be "Why you buy track pads"
Good display of skilled driving.
Nice job...snow, ice and mud are the worst
There is so much written here, but no one understood that if the bulldozer turns around, it will calmly drive into this climb in reverse. I am sure and I know because I have seen it in practice.
People are saying the dozer guy needs to push the mud off lmao. Well first if he can barely make it up the hill without pushing the ground at all, then there is no way in hell he would be able to push a load up that steep hill.
those dozer tracks have no teeth..no wonder
Like grandma during nap time
They looked like they were packed up with mud.
Blind people lol
Every time the dozer man matches the speed of the left and right tracks he makes progress, whenever he spins one side faster than the other he loses ground. Far to much rev/spinning going on. That being said, he got her up there.
Grousers look worn out on the dozer
Really good job it was a joy to watch. gotta love the hatters
yes every loves people who wear hats
Why he didn't let some air from the tyre out
4 years later and that shits still funny
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Nice vid and good job at getting up there, well done.
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damn that sucks I have had this problem but the slopes I was on was only 200 feet top to bottom lol
First yellow Kobelco I've seen. Where is this? They're all that green/blue whatever colour here.
been there...it sucks,these guys do a good job.
Good Job, nice Video!
Excellent Video . . I'm amazed at the number of dislikes. Those guys did a nice job working together to clear that muddy grade. You could clearly see the CAT's tracks were packed with mud . . hardly getting any traction at all. Really liked the way the backhoe operator kept pulling fresh dirt up around his tracks to gain better traction.
Yeah, I noticed the right track wasn't doing as much work as the left, that hill has pushed it closer to an overhaul tho, I can bet the fluid was damn near boiling when he crossed the peak of that hill.
You should come to upstate ny where we deal with this everyday.
Mr. Slate would be proud. :-). Great vid.
Why not back up so you can stop with the blade + better weight balance?
maybe its because the forward drive is stronger than the reverse drive ? as a disclaimer I dont know anything about heavy machinery like this, so I wouldnt know the real answer...
Same as if you take a skid steer up a steep slope with a load on the bucket backwards. Eventually all of your weight goes to the front, and the surface area of the tracks actually on the ground decreases as you're trying to go up the hill, everything goes to the front.
the question was already awnsered but thanks though, its always good to learn something new.
no it dosent work like that...both tracks drag at same power all the time. Ergo,there is like a diff.. When you turn the dozer you use the brakes,one brake on each track. You often have to use the brakes to "jiggle" forward if the grip on the ground is bad. Hope this helped you.:)
couldnt the dozer have hooked onto the hook on the bucket and finish pulling the thing up the hill?
I back my dozer and excavator up steep grades. Hasn't failed me yet.
Backing up steep grades on hills does not work. Forwards works
Don't you love how you state something basically as a fact because you have experience in what you stated and then someone still tells you it won't work?
Even though the guy just told you it works for him every time?
That was my thought in the beginning. It is just physics. It is easier to pull something heavy (the blade) than push it. Back up the slope!
For all you pushers, a physics lesson simplified. Does a train push or pull? He should have his sprockets uphhill though
lol,a lot of youtube experts here....
I know this type of hills can be tricky.
nice driving
And here we see mature heavy equipment struggling uphill, compelled by Nature to return to the place of their birth, to spawn.
I suppose they do, funny you tell me this when I have not once questioned it.
I've not been on hills with equipment, middle TN is flat, but I've been in mud, hated cleaning the tracks out at the end of the day so it would not freeze and mess up the undercarriage the next morning.
Not a job site for a smooth tracked machine apparently nobody figured that out ahead of time
just a thought: one or the other, may be pins and bushings, / the rails with pads, or buy the
grousers and weld them on your self.;
Truck driva.you know the script matey
The tracks were as slick as a band on a wrist watch.
I was thinking that too , are they just worn out or are some tracks used just with less aggressive less grippy for driving on roads and stuff ?
The little dozer that could... xD
lol
Both machines have street tracks on them, no wonder no traction
You wonder why they no longer fit logging winches to dozers?
He only needs new tracks, but they're expensive, so everybody would try it...
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They should call it beer-thirty and break for lunch.
The grousers are not the problem.the operator should pull himself up and track at the same time .also you don't lift the tracks off the ground when your pulling this will cause no TRACTION just like at the end of the video mate.
The excavator engine is so much quieter.
you know it can rain for days on end in many places? I dont know were this is but it does not look like a dry forest.
Wonder what the converter temp is on the Big D-6?????
smart driver.I love it
Mega Machine Cam you mean operator?
Why do most excavators have smooth tracks? They don't turn like a loader constantly so I can't imagine it is to stop from tearing up the dirt. And they both tear up asphalt so they aren't really roadable.
Imagine doing this ten times in a row. Sheesh
if you watch this in fast foward its a tale of two friends going up to mordor
Yeah, and one gladly ran away to leave his friend below. lol
sure it did
hahahahaha the excavator at 5:20 is like: NO MASTER FRODO, WAIT FOR MEEEE
Got to love working in the mud and slop , where was this at ? they are putting in pipe line near my farm