Activision Blizzard Is a Hilariously Bad Company | Asmongold Reacts to The Act Man
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- Asmongold Reacts to "Activision Blizzard Is a Hilariously Bad Company" by The Act Man, shedding light on the infamous "diversity tool", the breast milk incident, Diаblо Immоrtаl lies and more..
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I live vicariously through your reactions to my videos sometimes. I gotta admit lmao. Thanks for the shoutout man, very happy you enjoyed the video!
The Acting Male himself, keep up the good work mate
Keep fighting for what you believe in man. Me and many others will continue to support you no matter what and hopefully you get justice on this bullshit!
I'm here after watching your original vid, quality content man sad to hear you are having difficulties going back to making vids. Take your time and I hope it gets better!
And this i why the act man is sooo awsome and bad... Ass
Hey Act Man of course we love your videos, the videos you send are entertaining as hell and highest quality and caliber, like have you ever watched your own videos? Theyre long, yes, but when someone asks me about how long i want the videos i say YES SINCE when your videos end i feel as sad as when i finish a Internet Historian/Incognito Mode video!
Blizzard the company that will try to educate you on how much of a biggot you are while at the same time in their workplace you need ass armour to feel protected.
😂😂😂
Even legendary ass armour can't protect you at blizzard
It was strange when someone said something like "It's like stats in a JRPG" when that's really not what the numbers in the diversity tool are. In a JRPG it's clear what the stats represent, does anyone know what the diversity tool numbers even mean?
Stop spreading lies! Even the internal investigation reported ZERO wrong doings!!
Actually I heard they nerphed ass armor now
Its easy to bash Blizzard since every time they do something in "good intention", they do it in the most blatant, unnatural and badly timed way. They are just so out of touch.
It's like that kid in school that just keeps getting in trouble no matter what.
Except their good intentions are based on the wrong things, which just makes everything pointless.
Bro, Blizzard is still running on windows explorer with their 'good intentions'
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 yeeeup, and yet people like Asmongold still give blizz money lol.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 I had many fun times in WoW on and off for many years, and met a lot of cool people. But I was getting burnt out more and more after Wrath. And as the game got more dumbed down and stupid, and blizzard got more and more scummy, I finally had enough of all the BS. Also, I kind of like games that dont look like their graphics were made by fisher price. Hate to admit that, but games are much more enjoyable and immersive with actual graphics, not cartoonish crap.
If you enjoy it enough for a sub, thats all that matters, but for me Im done giving scumbag blizzard any money for a game I dont like any more.
I once asked someone 14 years ago, back when I first played WoW on a private server, why he would play a female character. He told me "If I'm going to look at a video game character all day, it may as well be a beautiful lady." That was the best argument I've ever heard.
Shit if I ever played WoW, I'd play as a female Draenai, because they are just gorgeous. And I'm neither a woman, nor an alien.
I try to play different characters than most will play because I dont want to look like everyone else. I could care less in the gender or ethnicity, etc.
Lol bro, that was probably me. Female blood elf paladin. When transmog came out i collected every skirt and skimpy suit out there.
Not really you shouldn't be looking at your character you'd have no awareness
I do this...
I admire Blizzard's ability to piss off every demographic simultaneously. Kind of impressive
"Most people want to play a character that looks like them. That's what I do"
Something something all of Asmon's characters have hair
So does he
Honestly I find that most tend to want to play as someone that DOESNT look like them. The character actually looking like the person playing was almost never something people cared about from my experiences. Part of the point of fantasy is that they aren't you and don't need to look like you. More people that Im aware of just wanted their character to look cool. Or sexy. Likely both
@@fluidwolf a lot of people like being normal dudes in a fantasy for me I just pick what’s I think looks funny but one of my buddy’s always wants to get his character to himself with a few improvements as close as possible my sister is the exact same
I think his argument just lacks a bit of consideration of other factors. Yeah maybe some people might create a character that resembles their looks but I don’t think it’s the majority. I think people. Hose their characters by much more standards then “I want myself in the game”. My best friend (male) ALWAYS chose to play female characters in the soulsborne games. I (female) almost exclusively play male characters because I want my character to fit the story, environment and the task at hand. For me it doesn’t feel right to play a female character in dragon age because I’m up against a serious threat that requires my character to be physically strong, an exceptional leader and a terrifying monster when he needs to be. So I chose to be a dark qunari warrior. And I think for me it’s just the archetype of the hero or warrior that influences me when creating my characters. And since this archetype is a predominantly male archetype my characters are almost exclusively male. Only character I chose to play as a female was a recreation of lady Maria from Bloodborne after my first playthrough cause I wanted to experience her story. And I played her in Elden ring after my first playthrough (as a male). So yeah..
@@erynja7085 bro asmons ego went to the fucking stratosphere on this one. He just wanted to shame ppl and talk down on them. Without any statistic such discussion is pointless. It’s like trying to argument if people tend to like bananas more than apples…
“They said they were getting rid of loot boxes in overwatch 2”
I do also remember them saying they wouldn’t sell gears in diablo immoral
But look at where we are asmongold
There are no lootboxes in diablo immortal. You can increase your drops for money after a dungeon. That is technically not a lootbox.
@@Uelibertiga The gameplay loop is essentially an elaborate lootbox set-up. If you don't see that, you're either naïve or ignoring the reality of the game.
@@ToyokaX I thought it would be obvious enough that this is the case. That was the reason Activision/ Blizzard gave. So i don´t have high hopes about the statement of overwatch not containing lootboxes.
@@Uelibertiga i wasn’t talking about loot box i was talking about their lies
About diablo immortal , and how is that prove their behavior of continuous lies just to get away with things player don’t want
@@Uelibertiga "You can increase your drops for money after a dungeon"
That still is a lootbox, just with a different coat of paint. All that's changed is the acquisition.
I hope act man can get his channel monetized again, although it is very unlikely.
Lets goooo baby it happened
@@solblackguy how about LOCALS? I heard you can make some money out of it too..
He will be fine if he keeps on making content he’ll be making money
Yeah, no way he’s getting monetization back sfter he criticized UA-cam’s shit ass handling and implementation of their own guidelines.
Well if Bungie goes after UA-cam and wins then probably.
Yeah Patreon is better. He’s worth it - even before fighting Quantum. The Quantum thing makes me like him more now
"How can so many people be so stupid"
Pareto's principle: 80% of the people making those remarks are 20% of the population.
From what I have seen, there are 3 general categories.
- People who want to self-insert
- People who want their avatar to resemble an idealized version of themself
- People who want to try something completely different
i identify as a troll and sometimes a blood elf whem i'm feeling frisky.
I play characters that havea very different skin color as myself, different genders depending on the game so Im the latter category and I cant agree with asmon.
I also play characters different from my race when it comes to customization. I feel like self inserting feels egotistical lol
@@sadi5713 you totally can if you admit you are in the minority.
I always play as a woman, and for me to see someone who creates his character as irl looks is the strangest thing in the world, I don't know anyone who does it
“People are being unfair about Overwatch 2”
A year later… hahahahahahaha
Yeah, his comments really didn't age well lmao
@@roofcake8951it aged hilariously bad
What, he hates it now too?
Asmongold Twitch arguments in a nutshell:
Asmon: I'm right.
Chat: No I'm right.
Asmon: No I'm right, you're stupid.
Top tier work guys
That's the problem I have with Asmon himself. Always thinking that he is right on everything he thinks and to be fair he is right on most things he discusses, but whenever majority of chat disagree with him and Asmon gets tired of it he'll just start perma banning people because "they're stupid" and "Im always right"... It's like you can never debate or have a convo with someone that acts like that.
i have a lot of respect for the dude cuz he's just like me in a lot of ways, and this is one of the reasons i wouldn't stream is because i wouldn't have patience for people who disagree with me, and when you are this popular it would happen all the time just to wind you up. Honestly when asmon starts getting this irritated by differing opinions in chat its a sign he needs to take a week off from streaming cuz he is so much more patient after his breaks.
You forgot the part where chat backflips and then types in "pepega chat"
@@chryomadzz4360 I don't even think it's patience. It's just arrogant behavior on his part when it comes to Asmons "I'm always right mentality." Now there are some instances where people do post stupid comments and if I was him, instead of perma banning them I would just call them out for being an idiot, they can stay in the chat so long as they don't break any guidelines or being toxic towards others or myself.
@@ColinGallo sure i don't disagree with you. I just feel he is way less triggerable when he takes a break, and can let shit slide more. He's got issues, who doesn't, and i still think he manages it better than i could constantly having 50k idiots spamming your chat with 'opinions'
I'm glad to see that he is still able to get money from his channel through sponsors
I think UA-cam's ad should never be taken as a primary source of income. It turns the content creator into an employ for the algorithm. Patreon and sponsors should be the main source of income. Ssethzeentach is the prime example. The guy makes whatever the hell he wants and it shows in the video and the audience interaction. Most of his videos are basically not algorithm friendly and probably demonetized but his patreons and sponsors allow him to do whatever he wants instead of worrying about a piece of software.
@@petejones6827 he had plenty of proof, that's what his videos were about
@@petejones6827 How much did Quantum pay you to say that?
@@JJJBunney001 just wants the attention that his guitars didn't get him
@@Josh-lf9rz i wish he would pay me life a bithc right now in this damn gov controlled economy i got 5 kids to feed
Man the diversity space method is so offensive on like 100 different levels and i love it
Its basically calling white people cultureless and black people as having no ability
White guilt makes people do some crazy things
It's a fascinating dumpster fire
You gotta understand that the people that preach about diversity 90% of the time are the most racist because they’re hyper focused on the race of people. The inclusion excuse they usually run doesn’t mean anything because most don’t just exclude someone for arbitrary reason in regular social situations
White guilt????
I'd imagine you'd have breast milk at work because you have to use a pump every so often, wait a few hours, then use it again. If you spend 8+ hours a day at work, makes sense to bring the pump with you, and use it in the restroom or something. Takes time for your body to make milk, so you have to stick to a regular schedule to make enough for your baby.
Currently pumping right now as I read this comment. It makes sense that guys wouldn’t get it unless they’ve had a kid with someone who pumps/breastfeeds. If I don’t pump every 3-4 hours, the pain is truly miserable.
Watching this after the announcement that we don't get the initial PvE mode just hurts.
AB said they were getting rid of lootboxes in Overwatch 2, but they also said legendary crests are not lootboxes because you have to play the game to get your lootbox after buying the crest. So... yeah. If I had to make a guess, AB is going to have lootboxes in Overwatch 2 but there will be a similar gimmick where they say "well, it's not technically a lootbox so technically, we didn't lie.".
It's not even about loot boxes in overwatch but after essentially the whole format being destroyed by goat format they essentially gutted the audience and made a big hoha about big changes to overwatch 2. At a point you made extremely big promises on destroying a game so it should be different. Making small changes and killing a game for years doesn't help in feelings
You know what's funny? TECHNICALY the Legendary gems in Diablo Immoral REN'T loot boxes because you don'T pay for a gatcha instead you can ensure them getting droped in game from dungeons.
So in other terms they are getting past any and all regulations that may be related to loot boxes (like the ones that are in Japan and Korea.). Combine this with the fact that they removed the loot box mechanic from OW2 we might just see what comes in the future.
@@richardduska1558 some country's aren't so stupid and banned it still
@@jtowensbyiii6018 Correct. I do play mobile games but this one is worthy of banning. It is borderline illegal the way they are doing this whole thing and the amount of cash they want.
Ehm here’s your loot cylinder sir
Asmon: Almost 80%, probably higher of people will choose a race similar to what they are''. The way this was phrased suggested that when being able to choose between races and species, people would choose same/similar races rather than other species.
WoW community is 64% horde with over 35% of the population being elves(different species, not race) of some kind and almost half of the characters female(with a majority of elves being female, and I doubt there are that many women playing wow and that female elves are almost monopolised by women). You have to include the Kul tiran into the human race for it to go over 10%. And that is just in modern wow, I could not find any reliable data for tbc bc.
Being something we are not in real life can be a big part of roleplaying for far more people than you realise, especially in fantasy settings with magic, which do not exist in real life, your argument for why other races dont count.
We live in a world that is getting worse by the day, with a possible nuclear war on the horizon. Many people who play video games play them to take a break from reality or outright escape from it, many of them will not want to self insert themself, instead they will want to be someone new.
But not all people play games for the roleplaying element, there are also those that are just in it for the gameplay, and among those there is also the men that rather than staring at the backside of a man for hours on end would prefer to look at a womans.
Wow players are literal orcs irl. Playing horde is playing a character that looks like them.
@@Dragoncro0wn WoW players are just the example I used, my points would still stand for other games or tabletop games like DnD, although the way I phrased it above might have made things seem more drastic than I intended. While I agree that a large part of the playerbase probably like to self insert, 80% just seems far too high for me, but that is just my personal opinion. Also, orcs are ripped, which I seriously doubt most wow players are, but then I wouldnt know for sure as I havent played modern wow since legion and classic wow since beginning of tbc. I suppose a large amount of the players could be hunchbacked though which orcs are if that was supposed to be what you were referring to.
It was just asmon projecting. He always plays a human warrior and makes his character similar to himself
@@firedrake110 pretty much. hell most rpgs I play I have characters of pretty much every option somewhere.
And that has nothing to do with visuals, they went horde because you're forced to or you don't pvp and you don't get to do raids
In context of asmongold semi-defending OW2, i'd like to say this:
"Once you begin to dislike someone, everything they do pisses you off"
Activision blizzard has reached far enough negative PR that every single thing they do is under massive scrutiny. Now, even small gaffes like OW2 having an odd, poorly communicated release is a problem for them
Edit:I don't want anyone to misread this, i'm not defending OW2 or Acti-blizz, i think OW2 is a nightmare, somehow even removing the lootboxes fucked more things up. Even being charitable, at present OW2 looks like a side-grade at best.
They are a sinking ship and they have so many surprise fuck ups that it's hard to possibly think of OW2 coming out as a flawless release.
I personally thought there is little you can mess up with warcraft 3 reforged, and see what they did.
They also stopped updating the game for years and basically let it die.
But to be fair, overwatch 2 is fun. 5v5is way more fun than 6v6, removing a tank worked.
Removing lootboxes was a surprising change that is actually toxic for any overwatch player who consistently plays. You used to always get lootboxes for free and they didn't need keys to unlock..you could truly unlock all skins for "free". Now the only way you can get skins is by paying for a battle pass....lol
I mean if you ask me its deserved
I play a female character almost all the time as a guy, I got told it was because I have latent homosexual tendicies, my reply, I would rather stare at a girls butt all day rather then a guys.
Don't think all those OW2 takes could of aged any worse
The funny part of Mccree is that Jesse didnt decide it. In an interview for the making of Overwatch, he states that he was given a stack of papers at work one day to sign. These papers would disassociate him from the character and he would forfeit all claim to the name "Jesse Mccree". His superiors thought his name "sounded like a cowboy name" so they wanted to use it for the character.
He was told to sign, he signed. Still dont like him, but he wasnt the one who decided that.
Yeah he has no actual connection to the character at all outside them using his name because it sounded like a cowboy name.
@@LordOfSweden Jesse McCree was previous - new name is Cole Cassidy (makes me think of coleslaw 🤢)
@@LordOfSweden aye made me chuckle like " _that's_ how forgettable that new name is" 😅
Blizzard is just so cartoonishly evil at this point, the went from Clark Kent to Lex luthur
They're worse than Lex luther.
Honestly, with how incompetent and stupid they seem to be now, it's more like a transformation from superman to bizarro
Oh just wait until you read up on some of the shit Bill Gates has done and has been accused of doing. Bill Gates is IRL Lex Luthor and nobody will ever be able to convince me he isn't IRL Dr. No or some cartoonishly evil supervillain without superpowers.
The whole “your race determines the character you play as” arguement really depends on what type of game your playing
If I’m playing a customizable rpg, my character is going to be black. If I’m playing a fighting game or hero shooter like overwatch, the race of the character is the least of my priorities.
Edit: in a fantasy rpg, I’d choose a race based on how cool it looks and the gameplay potential. But In a game where there’s a limited amount of character customization (fallout) my character will almost always be black.
I am honestly curious.
If you have the option to create a character, do you really always try to re-create yourself or an image of yourself?
Aren't RPGs about roleplaying? Creating a fantasy that isn't necessarily real and playing in it? I get that sometimes you want to have a player-insert, but do you really ALWAYS create yourself? Does your stance change if the character appearances have stat differences (WoW racials), or would you still choose a black human?
Also, you said that "If I’m playing a customizable rpg, my character is going to be black" and "There are people like me that just plays whatever character looks the prettiest". So do you choose your character based on your race, or being aesthetically pleasing / looking nice?
I'm a white Northern-European and live in a very racially homogenous country. So I never thought about race growing up, and rarely do even now. I don't identify as [my race], but instead as the sum of my personality traits.
@@Ukulisti i always make something opposite to me. I dont want to play as what i already am. In wow, i chose cos of racials. So if the race had power differences i would choose the strongest race. Armor is also a big factor. In monster hunter world, woman armor is better so i made a woman
The implication of that subject implies that the discussion is regarding games that have a character customization suite as opposed to games with a set-in-stone cast you can't alter.
@@Ukulisti In games with actual races, like WoW, it'll be all over the place. However if WoW had only a human race than the default would be to match skin tone + gender for a majority. With some switching gender and skin tone because of an age old saying, "If I'm going to be staring at something for hours it better be something I like."
Funny enough on either side of the spectrum of Skin tone matters or it doesnt, both will generally reach the same default conclusion. Whatever you are irl.
Classic case of non-empathy or obsessive self-insert. Nobody is arguing that the mmo fanatics of Asmon's stream play diverse characters, but if you put the average person in front of a MMO character select screen, they would make a character of their own gender and race, it's not fucking rocket science man. You do whatever you want, but don't act like you represent other people because you're insecure about your decisions. I tend to make my characters unique and diverse as I can, because I come from a D&D background and I enjoy challenging myself in the creation of a character, but I don't argue that the trend among the vast majority of people is to self-insert. have some sense. It's pointless to have a discussion about something that has pretty much been confirmed as true forever, if you start bringing up fantasy races you're just debating for the sake of debating, and nobody like a wise-ass.
"according to the diversity chart, we need to hire 15 blacks, 23 gays, and 12 women, to join the dev team"
For me and regarding characters, I tend to go with a character that I want to look at. Sometimes it's a gruff bounty hunter looking guy. Sometimes, it's an... attractive spy/assassin character. But yeah, I tend to play human in games where you can choose the race like in Skyrim or Neverwinter. But it's why I like games where there is actual custom characters rather than preset characters to play as. But that's just me.
29:54
I normally highly respect your ability to debate and explain, but man you completely missed the mark here. Anyone who just falls back on ad hominem generally lack substance to back up their claims.
Yeah asmon hard coping on some of this. Id usually expect him to go get evidence to back up what he’s saying but instead he just says if you disagree with me you’re just stupid. Its kind of a letdown.
@R J Immersion and self-inserting are 2 completely different things. Some can't get immersed any other way but not everyone is so lacking in imagination. Most who self-insert aren't doing it for immersion, they do it because they want their ego stroked.
@@Rhodair
Agreed. I also like how it started as ppl playing a character that represents them, and then turned into just cherry picking race. Like if someone makes a muscle bound, ripped, white female character with a scar across one eye and gigantic boobs then they are obviously self inserting if they are in fact a fat, weak, scar-less, white male. 😂
@Swole Tingle Because you're arguing something that not only doesn't actually matter, but is clearly untrue once you bother to consider games outside of the MMOs you play. The vast majority of people gravitate towards characters that reflect themselves in some way, just look at Monster Hunter or Pokemon characters that people make.
@Rhodair Aurelien He didn't change any goalposts, you just willfully misinterpreted what he was saying because you were triggered.
I do agree that a majority of people would play characters that represent them if given a choice. This is especially so in games that tallow extensive customization. I only disagree that it is an 80% number. I think it is more like 60%. A lot of players have fun simply making original characters that fit narratively, reference memes (like giga chad), or don't want to fall into the stereotype of making a self-insert. In general, I think the argument stands, everyone likes to imagine themselves to be the hero.
I'm black and the first thing I do is see if I can create a character that looks likes me. Every black person I know looks for this in games simply because we are use to playing white characters in games.
@@jarroncarlton Exactly. I think Asmon just needed to say it differently. "All else being equal, people tend to pick characters that look like them". This is the take.
People play as orcs? Sure, but orcs play differently than humans, and no one said that looking like yourself is the top priority.
What about the heroes in Apex? Those heroes (afaik) have different abilities. Obviously having fun takes priority over looking like yourself.
People play as women? Maybe it's just me but I tend to play first as myself for story games and then if I play it again (Mass Effect for example, where I play a guy first), I'll play as a girl so that the voice acting feels fresh (because fun/freshness took priority).
I did go with the default white dude in Fallout 4 (I'm mixed race), but that's because IMO it's somewhat the intended face for the male character, and the voice matches the face. Same for the female character.
But the first time I play Starfield? Yeah, I'll be going with a semi-black man, to match myself. Probably, anyways. 80% chance :D
@@albertjohnston1026 pretty much yeah
@@albertjohnston1026yeah I'd prefer to play as myself, or like in mass effect, default Shepard with the correct gender (male Shepard receives a completely unfair criticism of being a worse voice despite how bland female shep sounds, it's beyond me). After that would I play an original character.
Gotta love discussions that are based entirely on "I think..." or personally limited testimony.
So, basically, if a lactating mother doesn't breastfeed often they basically get blues balls, but on their boobs. They get swollen, tender, sensitive and painful. They also start leaking after a while, and it's not just a fews drips either, it's full on stream squirting. Turns out japanese spicy cartoons get that part very accurately. Pumping will solve the problem.
Also, if you don't stimulate your milk production by breastfeeding or pumping regularly, your milk supply will dwindle until it stops altogether. And, as any research will tell you, formula is just a very poor substitute for breast milk for several reasons.
OW2 being [partially] free is not something I give Blizzard any credit for. They didn't do it because it's the player-friendly thing to do. If they could've made a lot off it, they would have in a heartbeat. Half the maps aren't even balanced for the changed player count, there aren't any noticeable changes to graphic quality, and it overall just feels like OW1 patches, not a new game. They would've sold the PvP mode too if they were confident about the reception of doing so.
Same goes for loot boxes. They didn't suddenly wake up to it being unethical game design; they designed the game with it fully in mind and reluctantly changed after the fact.
I don't care if a character looks like me.
I care if the character I'm playing fits in the setting it's in.
If I'm playing medieval fantasy, the last thing I want to see is Robocop walking around.
Asmongold was talking about ethnicity, and the chat was talking about races in context to WoW. These are different things.
Both are correct, unless they're RPing the varsity majority of characters people make is still self insert, especially if human is the only selectable race
i was thinking the same thing, like all I was seeing in chat was they were like "Why do people play horde then?" or "People are mostly girls in WoW" when, like, you're taking one game from hundreds. Some people can't use their head xD
Ya only time you got people making characters looking like them is if they are playing a completely difrent species but even then their cosmetics and stuff will have their general fahion style in real life
@@BuckSnortx same dude. I think asmon was being an ass about that point and I would like to see some legit stats. I and most of my friends don't insert ourselves that hard into the game and would rather look at the ass of a female than a male char while playing.
@@BuckSnortx damn
@@BuckSnortx just because your friends pick to play as your waifus, and you run in circles with others that do the same, doesn't mean you're a majority of players
22:30 if it's about skin color alone then Asmon is probably right, but I dont think most people in general want to have a character that actually resembles themselves. Chat's reaction is most likely because the way he worded it make people think he's talking about overall physical appearance. A comment actually mentioned this but he didnt respond to it at all.
The way Asmong immediately assumed that people disagreed with him because of political belief is a bad way to handle it IMO
nah, his argument is also speculation based on what he perceives in his own social circle, I'm Latino, most of the people I know, even afro descendants, play white characters in video games, does that gives me base to claim that 80% of latinos choose white characters? no, is that self insertion? obviously not either so calling people stupid for not agreeing with his biased take makes his argument completely stupid and makes himself a stupid person.
aye, I normally agree with Asmon 9/10 times, but this was easily his most close-minded perspective I'd witnessed in over a month
Roughly 40% of men in mmo's play a female character and roughly 10% of women in mmos play a male character.
As far as the character thing goes- I make my character based on the idea I have for them. If I want to make a pristine spellcaster elf, I make them tall and slender and blonde with no facial hair(exactly opposite of me). If I want to play a more beefy character I might make it look like myself or use a more monstrous race if available. From time to time I play a class that I think my personal looks would fit and I make a character like myself then. Really it just depends on the theme I'm going for.
@@Rancid_Ninja I’ve had male and female (plus androgenous), red, blue, black, brown, white, purple skin color. I’ve only ever had a character like myself once. I find that boring.
He was explicitly talking about humans
Imagine Quantum sees this and makes a video, trying to argue Blizzard is a good company. XD
You jest but honestly at this point....... 🤔
No they are advertising to much diversity
@@namethefifth7315 It's soulless, but why care beyond that?
In regards to the point of seeing yourself in games, I think it depends on person to person. One person may want to see themselves in games, while another may want to become someone else essentially, while a 3rd person may not care whatsoever. It's complicated to say the least.
Aye, and a lot of the chat didn't explode until Asmon started pulling 80% out his ass. He normally has very level-headed takes, but he clearly has nothing to base that opinion on. That would be an awesome experiment to have hard data for - not some extrapolated opinion.
as much as i dont like riot games, they made an interesting discovery in their playerbase, where male players usually dont pay attention to what gender their champion is, female players objectively play more female champions
@@Rhodair I thought Asmon was just saying that there ARE people who want to make a character that looks exactly like them.
Then for some reason he went ballistic. No idea why he started saying shit that needs statistics to back it up.
@@TheAwkwardGuy I think we've all done it many times where we accidently overreach in specifics when talking outside our comfort zone & unprepared. I think he reflexively doubled down when called out on something he wasn't confident about. I totally understand that. However, him holding ground _that_ many times & even threatening bans for holding different opinions was disappointing like 😕😞 missing out on a learning opportunity there, bud.
@@Rhodair Yeah he could've just asked chat if they prefer a character like themselves or not.
Could've just done that poll.
For that specific question mind you...Not for "Do people make characters that look like themselves?" because that's a no brainer lol
The fact that you had to clarify and reclarify your game Race argument that many times means you made a shitty and vaguely defined argument to begin with. Continuously narrowing down your argument until you've defined it in a way that can only make you correct after many attempts does indeed make it "correct", but also comes across as very disingenuous, especially when you were touting the absolute correctness of this argument from the outset.
I don't really care about the conclusion of the argument, but the way you presented it got on my nerves more than the subject matter itself lol
I agree 100%
I think it was pretty clear from the jump that it's not talking about fantasy races though, and that was the hangup everybody was really having on it
That overwatch comment aged incredibly poorly
Here’s a solid argument about the whole “race and character” debate if we are REALLY generalizing a lot of the nuances in this topic. In my humble opinion, I don’t think an overwhelming majority of players are creating their characters based on “themselves”.
I do however, believe that an overwhelming amount of players create their characters based on how they’d like to be conceived in-game by other players, while providing themselves some level of relatability from their characters (so they don’t feel detached from their characters). Which in other words, instead of the “real themselves”, they are creating these characters on the “idealized themselves”.
Now of course this is a broad assumption with no empirical back up, but so does Asmon’s personal opinion, so I think this could make for a good argument against it.
My ACTUAL opinion on this topic is it is personal preference, there’s no way I believe that can statistically prove either point of view. So Asmon saying 80% are doing this, it might as well be because he is doing this, same as me saying it’s because of that, it’s confirmation bias.
But as an audience, watching this debate starts with Asmon dealing with the trolls intelligently (like not starting a poll) and ends with him stating anybody disagreeing him is a moron is quite sad to be honest.
Having confidence in your belief is good, but when said belief is lacking in foundation or based purely on personal experience, it can also be dangerous and misguided. There’s a thin line between confident and opinionated.
He destroyed himself on this topic on a couple points. The best is probably 26:35 when he tries to dismiss the argument with his "oh you moron" demeanor, while his argument actually said "People will try to look like themselves as long as they will have no other choice.". ... I like the guy, he seems genuine and is fun to watch, but sometimes it's just clear that he thinks that he is much smarter than he actually is.
the majority of the games i play are games with some form of skin tone/race options, i've never met anyone who plays as a different race than their real life self regardless of who they are in real life, and that's his point.
@@wellbi he did not destroy himself on the topic. his main point was that the majority of people will try to create their character with the same skin colour/race. but people in his chat misinterpreted his point and argued that people won't try to make their character look like a replica of themselves even though that isn't his point at all.
@@xkristiann Ofc. he did, at the moment when he started to call others morons while it was his moronic inability to express his idea in the first place that was the culprit of the whole discussion.
"Look at WoW facebook group, 80 percent there will look like they look like their profile photo." ... If you look on data on races in retail WoW, "human-like" races (humans and elves) don't make more than 45% of characters created in the game (The data from 2019 I could find). So if Asmongold claims that 80 percent of people there follows his "People will try yo look like themselves." trope, the Facebook group don't represent reality then. (Or 35% of playerbase in real life resembles an Orc, Troll or Tauren more than they resemble Human or Blood-Elf.) So, absolutely useless as an argument. ... His claim was that most people will choose to look similiar in the game as they look in real life . The counterargument is that it would mean that 80 percent of characters in the game would be of "human-like" races. And you cannot dismiss it with "But Orcs aren't in real life." because, if Orcs are not in real life, that's the definition of something you will not choose by its very definition as "similar to you", yet a lot of people do, so it's self-evident that a lot of people don't choose their characters in the game on the aforementioned basis if they have a chance otherwise.
I am not saying there isn't this factor (It definitely is.), I am just saying that in this case Asmongold argument is just pulling numbers out of a hat without any ability to back it up. In this case, all Asmon has provided is logically inconsistent claims and anecdotal evidence.
@@wellbi good job ignoring everything I just said to give me an analysis that I didn't even ask for.
About the breastmilk stuff. Some might find hilarious other people stealing it or not understands why is it a big deal for some and why mothers have it in the office. If someone already wrote it down then sorry.
1. Mother's who still breastfeeding, need to collect the milk frequently (Usually 3-4 hours, but it depends on a lot of factors.) or it will have consequences: if you don't do it your body will stop producing it and the more problematic one you will leak. Sounds stupid but it's really embarrassing so you need to be cautious about it. And you need a peaceful place to do it where no one bothers you.
2. Who stole the milk actually robbing a baby from his/her food. And stealing from children is really low level.
3. Breast milk expensive and a lot mother struggleing to produce it. So they try to collect as much as they can to be able to give the most for their little ones.
Hope I helped with this exploration.
@@MoonTurky But it's not common knowledge for everyone. But thanks for your comment.
@@MoonTurky no, it explains a lot. Most people don’t know how breastfeeding works, physiologically. It’s not easy and you have to pump every few hours to keep your supply. Newborns eat every 2 to 4 hours. Also it’s more difficult to get the milk to drop with a pump than with a nursing baby, so you need to have a relaxing place so you can focus.
Not to mention the baby formula shortage that is happening. Stealing the breast milk is just cruel. Women want to breastfeed and they want to keep their jobs as well, so a lot of employers offer a comfortable place where they can pump. It’s usually just an unused office with a mini fridge.
"People like to play characters that look like them"
All hordes players getting triggered
Nah bro, I can guarantee Blood Elves vastly outnumber any other Horde race played. LOL
21:10 When it comes to character costumization it's a personal preferance. There are plenty people who make characters similuar to them AND there are plenty of people who make characters that are nothing like them.
This is something that can not be generalized.
Not without specific polling at least, would be an interesting experiment to run with the wow community
@@Ele_Underscore Indeed. I would LOVE to see the results of that.
It depends on the game too. Like nameless protag sure, but if the characters are characterized, then they don't have to be anything like you.
You're just saying anything that has to do with personal preference cannot be generalized, and that's just a dumb take, period.
You're just the kind of idiots who will always try argue nothing can be generalized while in fact everything can be if you does it smart.
@@tobyharris4777 That is also a valid point. For example the Witcher or Gothic has a pre set character.
Zack dies on the weirdest hills I swear to god. A simple google search can tell you that according to a study at least 70% female and 54% male play the opposite gender in MMO. Because imho as a dude myself, I don't wanna look at man-ass for 20 hours a day when I play an MMO, I rather stare at girl-ass. And when I occasionally turn my character around, I don't get greeted by my pathetic self, but rather a nice pair of badonkers.
As an African American, I find the “black” character models in almost all video games are atrocious and won’t play them. I never cared about what ethnicity I was playing
.Plus it’s no secret that female characters of any ethnicity/race have the best costume designs 😏. All in all, I play what looks appealing and I think almost everyone else does as well.
Sure. But when people design "black" character models they only have like three skin tones and hair styles that try to appease us. Just because it's a trash attempt doesn't mean some people wouldn't appreciate Characters that look like them.
@@DMLoosey “I find” ME. That aside, that’s some serious stereotyping as we have just as many (if not more) skin tones and hair textures as anyone else.
Edit: I would actually prefer companies not to attempt if it’s going to be piss poor, pathetic and degrading.
@@DMLoosey much of the reasoning behind why those models are often just skin tone and hair selection is due how much of a pain in the ass the modeling process would be and how clogged character creation would be
There are many european black people, northern african-mediterranean nations, southern african nations
But I feel there are only two types of black characteristics designs in video games - African American / Tribal NPCs....
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Your conclusion is skewed that you ignore the ppl that rolled non humans don’t count towards your 80% figure. Ppl that roll human rolled human sometimes to specifically look like themselves and therefore would have a higher concentration of ppl trying to have a character that looks like them.
The gender argument is nonsense. I have a group of friends that specifically play women in certain games because they’d rather look at her butt than a dude’s butt while they play.
25:21 So, here's a little something interesting for ya: A week ago, when I was in Idaho visiting relatives, my definitely-very-white cousin repeatedly changed her character's appearance in Animal Crossing New Horizons. Several times, she changed the character's skin to the darkest available shade. Several times, she changed the character's hair to a boy-ish cut. With all that considered... she's five years old. (Oh, and because it's rural Idaho, her ~10-year-old brother had zero qualms about aggressively telling her that she's not black and not a boy.)
Asmon is projecting so hard on the wanting to play as yourself or someone similar to yourself take lol.
I have literally never chosen to play a character that even remotely resembles me when I have a choice, and I'm a straigh HHHHHwite male. I've personally never understood the logic of wanting to be "represented" in a game or even in movies, and I've pretty much never _felt_ represented in any way. How simple of a personality do you have to have to feel represented by some dumbed down game/movie character :V
And I don't see myself in people just because we share skin color, idk if it's because I'm not american and grew up mostly watching hollywood movies or what...maybe the general patriotic indoctrination Americans grow up with on top of all big media is catered towards them gives them a different perspective on this?
...Also I see and experience myself every single day- when I play a game or watch a movie I wanna experience something different.
Totally agree, and I think the way Asmon handled chat is a perfect example of how some people aren't cut out for political discourse. The "I'm right and screw anyone else who thinks different" attitude is childish. Quite damaging since he has a following of impressionable fans who will back anything he says. Granted I come from a mixed background and have never had any attachment to my "race" (if that concept even exits outside of social construct) So I have my biases. I think that people caring so much about their race in media is immature, and it only adds more poison to the well.
yeah, i've noticed he has this really bad habit of not even considering anyone else's point of view. since he's using an anecdote of "this is my experience" to justify it, then we can use anecdotes to debate it. not a single person i know IRL matches his experience. he even talks about the loud minority later, yet doesnt consider that this anecdote could actually be the loud minority.
This is main problem I have with Asmon in his streams. The "I'm always right and everyone that disagrees with me is wrong and getting perma ban" mentality is pure toxicity. You can't have a normal debate or conversation with someone with that toxicity mentality.
I feel like Asmon is talking down to his chat in these sorts of discussions, rather than talking on the same level about these topics. Granted, his discissions are often involving people who intentionally misconstrue his point or try to fish a "gotcha" from him, his way of dealing with it is overly patronizing and aggressive. I personally don't give my takes out and don't really care too much how other people feel about certain topics, but the way Asmon treats these discussions kind of rubs me the wrong way. But he's gonna do what he wants, so I don't really see much value in trying to change that.
you guys are fucking delusional, every person I've met, always chooses their own race when they can in the game they play. In any character creation, I go straight for someone who looks like me or resembles me in some way. for fucks sake, not everyone plays fuckign fantasy games where ur choice is between "orcs and elves".
The avatar argument completely falls apart in any roleplaying environment
You had the power to be anything you want and you chose to play D&D as yourself?
And it's a human fighter. How original.
Honestly that was a really bad take on his behalf.
Unless I am forced to be a human in the game--chances are I won't be looking like myself. If I have to be a human and I opt out of being a thicc woman... then I will look like myself otherwise whats the point? Immersion? I can have it without looking like my character. I think people who constantly make themselves in games probably have some issues that they need to work out. Maybe depression. Maybe need to feel that they are important or something else...
Or you have those people who complain that they want to play as their skin color because a lot of games don't have many "black" skins. I am hispanic I don't see too many games with a lot of hispanic "skins" outside of very regionally places games where "hispanic" is the primary demographic.
I mean... Most people that I know... do not play as someone who looks like them. LMAO. When he said 80% and he was people who don't agree with him are morons--I laughed. 80% is the hill he wants to die on? LMAO. Because frankly unless they are forced to play the human then maybe you can make a similar argument and on the basis of race (people wanting to be the race they belong to or the race they find themselves attracted to in the case they create a female avatar).
I'm just waiting for people to complain about the lack of handicapped, black-painted, plug-sexual robots.
Because normal-functioning, gray-colored, socket-sexual robots insults their beliefs.
You get way more visibly angry at this stuff than I do, but I think that's because you're angry _for_ me, and I thank you for that.
Vid idea: Speedruns on diversity by game companies.
Simp 😂
I think the deal with "Overwatch 2" is that blizzard promised that everything except cosmetics would always be unlocked for all players who bought (the original) Overwatch. Now, if they release a "new game", Overwatch 2, they can put weapons or abilities or damage boosts behing a microtransaction and it will still technically be true that "Overwatch 1" didn't have any of this BS.
Everything you're saying about "weapons or abilities or damage boosts being a microtransition" is pure speculative BS.
When Bobby shows up to the party, the whole vibe changes
"everyone who disagrees with me is stupid" is the funniest and (ironically) most dumb argument
Something I thought would always be interesting is if someone populated a COD game based on IRL census records.
Like, build 100 models with accurate percentages and then just let the game ring spawn those models into the game as background characters. Your main cast can just be the dev team working on the game. I'd like to see a modern warfare with that and just see how accepted it is.
Will it be mediocre? Will it have this uncanny valley effect? Will it be resident evil Africa where: oh no, zombies in Africa are all African. Imagine.
27:00 I think they main thing is, asmon didn't articulate his stance well enough.
excluding fantasy races like orcs, excluding pre made characters like most games have. strictly MMOs and rpgs and certain other "create a character" games like far cry 5. his point is generally that people enjoy playing characters resembling their own race/skin color in real life. the counter points are all about the gender of the character or what about this one character with a set race, like Liu kang from MK for instance. regardless if you make a female character, being a male IRL, his point is most people would still make that character the same skin color as them IRL.
to this effect I agree with him, it just was poorly articulated lol.
even I am currently playing far cry 5 as a female character, as a male IRL. even though you almost never see your character model, which I forgot when I made it at the beginning of the game. I still made the character white..... until I found a clothing shop and realized I could straight up play as citra from far cry 3.
I think you're absolutely right, the big problem is he purposefully called out WoW as his example which is made up of mostly non-human races and is predominantly Horde which only has blood elves as a reasonable approximation. If he had used, as you said, far cry or dark souls or something else where you make a human self insert he probably wouldn't have gotten as much push back.
I think in every game where I have to make a self insert human, I either make an idealized version of myself or a hot girl but whenever there's an option to be a fantasy race I always pick something non-human because it's different and unique, like why would I want to make the 50 millionth human when I can make an Orc or a Hrothgar or something else that's a lot less common.
the majority of people i've met in MMOs play different genders and races than what they are IRL, i'm a white male and in games i've played in the past, i've created and played black males and females, asian males and females, and white males and females. in my experience, asmongold is painfully wrong about people playing things different to them, i think he fails to take escapism into account
Going off my entire friend group we all pick the same race that we are but are genders can go either way some go by one gender other go with what they feel like at that moment.
As a male I use to pick male characters but I never made myself cuz I didn't think that was fun so I put little effort into it. Then I played dark souls 1 and the guy always sounded like he was getting off to being hit and it was weird so I picked female and I've never really gone back. I also now put more effort into making a my character now to.
@@archeremiya3533 I must have missed the part he specifically referenced WoW...anyway, yea im the same way man, I used to almost always make a male character that would vaguely resemble myself or as you said an ideal version of myself. after a while it just gets boring to much of the same. I usually prefer to just make a hot girl since its the most appealing to me to look at for sometimes dozens of hours. although if there is a choice of a dark elf, super mutant, orc, etc. I tend to go for that over regular human characters, again just because its something different.
@@argothianswine5125 to me it honestly didn't seem like he was moving the goal post, he just never clearly articulated what the "goal post" was in the first place. apparently he specifically referenced WoW as an example and from what I hear most character are non-human in that game lol. thats probably where the confusion stems.
and yea I like making weird ass looking characters as well, IF there is the option to do so lol.
27:00 I agree that it is nice to play a character that resembles me. However, I think that Blizzard is over-obsessing with diversity and it can become harmful to the game by taking development time away from things like gameplay. The diversity tool is a prime example. Like I said, I enjoy playing as characters that are similar to me in real life, but also can have fun playing as someone who is nothing like me at all.
Is this really a thing? I'm me, why would i want to be in a fictional world playing a game, and still be me?
I play outriders and have a black irokese hairstyle guy and a grey haired asian guy.
Not me at all lol
@@Dargoneth I think many people just don't understand the concept of role playing. Btw that's why most of the modern RPG's are trash lol. But yeah, people like to be able to relate to their characters and think of them as a projection of themselves which includes visual appearance obviously.
@@djohnsveress6616 I completely agree. I forgot to mention that it also depends on the game genre. Having the ability to play the exact person I want to in an RPG or MMO is very important. 1st person shooters like overwatch don't really need to have these options since the point of the game is not to role play, it is to shoot people.
Yeah… asmon is not correct in the character representstion thing, hes tunnel visioned with his own exp.
In truth, the character represents what the player likes, not necessarily who they are.
Some likes themselves more and would like to see their characters alike themselves.
Some enjoy hot female, some enjoys brute creatures, some evil undead.. etc.
He is saying that the majority of people would pick the general baseplate appearance of their gender and race, 80% or higher, not all. You are now using your experience to conflict the argument that his take was of his own experience. He’s not talking about specific appearance, such as hair or eye color, but general representation. If you are a white male, you will most likely (not 100%) choose the general appearance of a white male. It’s the same with any other race/gender. If your an Asian female you’ll probably play as an Asian female. If your a black male, you’ll probably play as a black male etc.
@@chief3828 any data to back this up? This sounds like an American thing
@@JP-nf3gt he specifically said he wasn’t talking about fantasy characters because you can’t be a fucking orc in real life, if you are an orc in real life you’d probably pick an orc. I really hate to use this strong of a word but, I have to say at this point your just being down right silly.
@@JP-nf3gt Asmon was talking about playing your real race if the games only option is human not in a game like WoW where you can choose dwarf etc. He clarifies this in the video and says obviously in a fantasy game it’s different. Also I think he meant skin color more then race.
@@yoosh905 same question back at you big man. I wasn’t saying it as fact that it is 80% or higher but that’s what Asmon said. Also how did this become an American thing? No where did I mention shotguns or bud lite
The last big entity that was focused on putting numbers on peoples ethnicity appearance and culture in regards to categorize them... was the Nazis.
Good one blizzard.
The way he says, “$3000 spent on the game” at 46:34 was so loaded with emotions
Blizzard be like " we're getting rid of lootboxes! 🥰" * Makes Diablo immortal
Unrelenting barrage of media criticism: ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA etc
I have to say I disagree with asmon saying absolutely 100% without a doubt people pick characters who look like them and if you disagree you're ideological and banned.
There's the aforementioned fact that people don't always pick human characters. It doesn't outright disprove your point granted, as you mentioned you're talking about only when people pick human characters, but it does show that people don't always pick whatever they think looks similar to themselves in the broader sense. Some people just want to be an orc or a dragon. Similarly there's the point on gender, there's a very large portion of male players that play as female players simply because they like the eye candy. I know more male players who are playing female characters than female characters playing female characters, and it's a very common meme in the MMO community, so it's clearly apparent that "similarity" is not the only deciding factor here.
FInally onto the topic of race, this is where there's at least a debate to be had, but it's not as 100% obvious fact black and white as you make it out. Me personally, I wouldn't be *surprised* if what you were saying is the case as I personally do pick characters that are at least tangentially similar to my race (I'm asian so I usually pick asian/white characters), but there isn't really much to back up the claim (at least from what I could see I couldn't find any studies on it), so to state it is just a black and white fact and anyone who thinks otherwise is just dumb/wrong is a very disingenuous claim to make as we simply don't know if that is the case.
Yup.
I play a black cat girl in final fantasy.
I play mainly female characters in games.
I roll alts but they rarely look like me, I pick something that looks good.
The other thing with classes and roles in games, I pick the theory crafted min maxing choices that look cool. I’m never choosing stuff based on my own appearance, race or beliefs.
You're right about a lot asmond, but you're wrong on the outrage of overwatch. We were promised a PvE and storyline. We didn't get it. that's the problem. We all would have paid, We just ended up with a shit sandwich. You'd understand if you were invested.
Yeesh. That argument about diversity was a no win scenario. Asmongold made himself look like an ass, and the audience got spun up for no reason.
The focus of dismantling forced diversity is meant for the background/sidekick characters.
If your going to have characters, make them relatable. Dont put characters in for the sake of needing an x amount of (insert diversity type). If your gonna have a trans person, give them a compelling and understandable backstory instead of "here's a trans character. Thier backstory/personality are irrelevant"
Straight white characters with no compelling background/personality are considered throw away characters too.
27:00
have you seen genshin? the girls wanna collect and PLAY AS their husbandos and the guys wanna play as their waifus.
People don't always wanna play as something as close as resembling themselves. Sometimes they create characters they find attractive, or cool. Obviously if you add an explicit "race" option then it'd be weird to choose something other than your race.
But the main point is that it's not self evident that it is "common sense" to say people wanna play as characters that looks like themselves.
Kinda left a sour taste in my mouth how he handled it like a 7 year old perma banning whoever disagrees. But I guess he can afford to be a dick since he made it to the top and can get away with shitting on those who made him who he is.
Lost me at 12:56 "Whos bringing breastmilk to work????"
Women who have had babies have to pump sometimes at work to have enough milk for their child when they get home? How is that so perplexing to him lmao.
Bro really thought he was cooking with his overwatch 2 takes 😂
I know that when I hang out with my friends, I am not gonna worry about representation of every group. I know that if I join the army, most likely not all groups are going to be represented in my unit. I know that when I fight an enemy, more than likely the group being killed is not going to represent all individuals. I know that when activision/blizzard make a game, they are going to over represent marginalized communities, because if they actually represented real demographics, most people wouldnt be represented.
EXACTLY. It's so dumb how everyone worries so much about "representation" in every little thing these days, even in entirely fictional universes. It also doesn't even reflect reality, most of the real world is NOT diverse, there are many countries like Japan that are 80+% nationals, with very few outsiders. Or, for example, if the game setting doesn't make sense to be diverse(Like maybe half of the world got destroyed or you're in a very isolated place like a small Island) then that's perfectly fine. I wouldn't EXPECT there to be a wide diversity of races/colors/etc if I'm playing a game set in a small town in Greenland or Alaska or something, or maybe a game set in an Eskimo village.
@@TheOnlyGhxst For me its about realism. Like the controversy with Women in Ww1 battlefield (or ww2 dont even remember which one). At the end of the day i really dont care but the game put so much effort on realism its just laughable that it breaks reality so much for nothing. i think the people bothered by it are overreacting, but lets be honest is there one person on this earth that actually enjoys the game more cause there are women now?
@@TheOnlyGhxst My issue with this whole conversation is that people act like "over representation" is inherently bad or something.
If people don't care about "representation" then it shouldn't matter if they made an entire cast indian for "no reason." They have nothing to do with the story, or they're character, they just happen to be Indian, and gay, and they're non binary or some shit.
You can't tell me people wouldn't get triggered, even if the game was good. Complaining about adding these kinds of characteristics implies there HAS to be a reason for a character to be that way, and that they don't need a reason to be a cis straight white dude. The truth is that there doesn't have to be a reason, and it doesn't harm anyone to add representation to more media. Literally the ONLY reason to complain is that you have some weird feelings about whichever characteristics they're focusing on.
In reality these companies are being scummy and trying to bribe sales with diversity, that's true. The problem is that this basically has no real bearing on the game anyway. If a game is bad, it was always gonna be bad, it just happens companies have ways of selling crap. There's no difference between a game having CGI trailers, "Forced" diversity, preorder bonuses (like NMS), etc.. There's nothing inherently wrong with a company using those things, the issue is companies use these to hide their lack of good games.
Jesus asmon, pulling out the "I am right and everyone who disagrees with me must be dumb" card really makes your argument look flimsy as hell, no matter it's actual validity
Imagine working 80 hour weeks in a small office working on a game for months to years and the only form of social interaction is Twitter you’d also think people actually judge games based on “diversity” more than playability
he talks about arguments and that anybody that disagrees are idiots etc. neither he or others can proof any kind of evidence what is right or wrong in this case. Saying "80% choose their own gender and race blabla" is just pulling numbers out of your ass and at the end of the day it his assumption and opinion about this particular case, nothing else. He can not proof it, he did not proof it, then others do not share his opinion on this case and he calls them idiots when they don't agree with his opinion.
You might be right, calling somebody an idiot if that person does not agree with real facts, sure. But this guy does it all the time, calling people out and insulting them only based on the one fact, the fact they do not agree with his own opinion on something, even when he didn't show any proof or evidence about it.
Of course he would find an excuse or whatever to this argument here and redirect it and derail it and claim that nobody understands him and intentionally missunderstands him etc. then he will go into ignorance stance and stops talking about it, when he feels that he might be really wrong about it.
And when I would claim that my experience is, that 70% of male people I know and knew in WoW and other MMOs play and create female characters rather than male. It is a very common thing. Hey and you know what? I play games and MMOs longer than this guy here. So I even have more exp than him. Can I proof it? No, ofc I can't. Just like he can't do it. Do I call out others with different experiences and opinions morons, or idiots etc.? No, I don't. His attitude is really depressing.
It just shows how much of a sociopath he is, stating his own individual experiences as facts and calls everybody disagreeing on it out and insults them for having different experiences and opinions. Whats wrong with this guy, seriously?
I mean really just make a good game with a great story(how wow started), treat your employees like real people, have characters with SOME level of customizing and call it a day with plenty of post release support backed by the publics feedback. And dude that made the famous phones (immortal announce) remark needs to watch the clip on loop for 10 hours while having to think about what he decided to contribute to that day.
I'm black and in games my characters skintone is black or as dark as I can make it. I am never satisfied with the character I make unless she's brown(unless I'm something completely inhuman) it just feels better. I wish people could just agree that more customization options are better. And to be honest just accept that people want to be black in games. All these people upset never had to deal with being unable to be their race in a game and it shows. Imagine if an mmo came out and you couldn't be white. People would lose their shit.
yeah when I try to make myself in the game and only get the option of afro and cornrows...
I do the same thing. I always create a black female character with my wife's name. it's an ongoing joke with her. The only times i used a white or other character was when I didn't have an option to.
For all my fellow pandas out there, without MoP, I would’ve never felt included into the game. Thank you blizzard for the inclusivity.
22:50 why would you take 5 minutes of your time to let people vote when you can just gaslight them into believing everything you tell them, right?
I just find a few races that are appealing to me (typically a size thing as far as models go). Then I look at the background or history for each one and decide on the one I want to be immersed in at the time. I thought this is how it was done by almost everyone. We escape into these worlds, why would we want to drag RL into it?
@@VioletDeathRei guess i love myself.
@@VioletDeathRei spoken like a true white man who never had to think about not being a choice in his game
@@VioletDeathRei it's ok troll you can move on in life
@@VioletDeathRei B/c he hates White people. So, it is easier for his own cognitive dissonance to associate "negative" opinions with "White men".
It's just another form of bigotry,
@@VioletDeathRei or you could be unhappy with your real life and use Roleplay games as a self-incert/scapism to aliviate pain and somewhat tame depression . It's what I do.
you have a Point, A VERY circumstantial point, but it's real dishonest to assume *everyone* does so out of Arrogance and nothing else, there's X reasons for someone to make themselves in a game and you clearly aren't thinking about it with good will.
It would be really funny if they removed "loot boxes" and then added in "new overwatch rifts" where you can pay money to get keys and then run the pve rifts to get new gacha content like how they got around having "loot boxes" in diablo immortal. lmao. I legitimately don't trust blizzard to do shit that's positive.
Dude could not accept that people were disagreeing with him, what a whining baby
He was right tho, people were being idiots.
About the characters creations, i don't think it's that simple at all.
The point of making a character looks like you, very often, is because the person wants to create and play a better version of themself, so there is a lack of self confidence somewhere too. There are also people who just want to play a realistic version of themself in the video game for immersion, but that's pretty rare in a mmorpg with fantasy components.
However most of the person who does the opposite, they dont. Moreover, they are usually trying to create and play a character of the opposite gender because they want to play a character they would like to be with, like a phantasm.
It is weird because I am an Asian, and I NEVER make my character looks like an Asian, and I always make them no where near how myself actual looks. Because I sure as hell I don't want to relive my life again in a game lmao
I dont know if I'm not understanding his take or if he's just fallen into his own mindset of being too invested in one idea (seeing as he's always made his characters to be himself). I cant think of anything worse, I've always had female characters as a dude because for me its a seperation of myself, not a reflection so I just go with what I think 'looks good' and its easier to find female models aesthetically pleasing.
I guess its just a hardwire mindset though because I find it equally mind blowing that people would want to recreate themselves when given all the possibilities.
My exact point.
Imo, one issue with his argument is "in context of people playing human characters" is inherently biased, due to the kind of people who would generally play a human when other options exist. A large majority of people that do that are self-inserting. There are exceptions definitely, but i feel that is the majority. It causes the data to be skewed by ignoring specific groups. It's like asking a group of amish people what from of transport they use, and then using that data to say that most people use a horse and buggy for transport.
i would agree that when it comes to skin color in an rpg most people will select one that matches theirs but think he is missing the point people are making when they complain about wokeness in video games. A good example of wokeness in games is allowing people to make a black female Nazi soldier in Call of Duty because the developers want everybody to be able to feel represented in the game. historical accuracy aside, I've never played a ww2 shooter as the Waffen-SS and said, "i wish he looked more like me".
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Glad to see Act Man still making content! Good on him!
You have to remember the people that made the diversity tool for blizzard are probably the same ones whining about not getting promoted and "bro" culture. That's why I don't trust the whole sexual harassment deal when you have people like that working for you.
I think Asmon is off base. How could MMORPG stand for "Many Men Online Role Playing Girls" if people wanted to play characters that look like them?
22:42 I'm a white guy and I usually make my characters a black female if I can, because I like it when my characters are as different than me as possible. This entire idea that we need characters to look like us is absurd. I love Moana and Encanto, and they don't have any white people in it. I love Beauty and the Beast and it's all white people.
Saying that people enjoy playing their gender/race more than another in videos games may be true, I'll give you that. In your example of 1000 people surveyed I wouldn't be surprised if more people answered they prefer characters that look like them in real life.
But this is different from the original premise you made where we should be creating characters that reflect us in real life. Just because people might subconsciously pick a character that represents themselves does not mean that people who decide to are doing so just because.
You are objectively wrong that this is an important feature for games Asmongold.
In this case it's probably a bad thing that they removed the free loot boxes on level. To get skins now; you probably have to pay for a battle pass. Someone who knows' please correct me
I once suggested on reddit that the next mass effect game main character should actually be a batarian, because there's so much story potential there to look at the events of the previous games through the lens of a batarian, where someone like shepard is going to be a more complicated figure.
No matter how much shepard united everyone against the reapers, their decisions killed 300,000 batarians, even if it was a 'choose the lesser evil' situation where the real culprits were people who didn't listen to shepard for too long. You could go so many ways. Factions within batarian society who have a more nuanced take and try to take lesson in how the event is an example of the consequences of government systems who don't do enough until it's too late, whereas other factions let what happened with Shepard validate their speciesism against humans. Then there's the whole fact that they're also pretty much a nomadic society now that's been splintered from so much of their civilization being destroyed. There's A LOT of potential there.
But at least in the wee midnight hours when I posted it, everyone fucking hated this idea because no one wanted to play as a batarian. Because of course. People want to be able to choose what they look like and the ability to make characters that look like themselves. Playing as a fem shep or male shepard fundamentally feels different as well, even if you're fine with either.
Solid comment. Many good points and that experience has a ton of potential for world building and immersion.
But yeah seems to me that for many people they only want to have a "diverse experience" in the sense of having basically an option of an improved avatar of themselves.
@@nancyb7282 It doesn't really help that character creation has been a staple since the first Mass Effect so any Mass Effect game that is missing that feature is going to get some backlash. Especially after the disaster that was Andromeda, they won't want to make any risks such as being stuck as a specific race that some people might not like, especially after how negatively that game was received.
It's ridiculous how toxic and childish Asmon becomes when someone disagrees with him as seen around 25:00 and onwards. What's all this nonsensical "I gonna permaban you for disagreeing with me" about? Asmon talks out of his ass by presenting his own experiences and claiming they are general facts.
Proving all the claims he makes probably takes years of scientific work.
27:00 I used to play as a guy character in fantasy games, and I wanted him to be basically what I'd wish I'd be in that fantasy world. So I tried to make him as close to me as possible, but much more masculine, a full set of hair, no glasses. After I broke up with the last girlfriend I had, I've been mostly making a female character. I can confidently state that my choice of character creation represents and reflects on my desires or lack of something from IRL. I wouldn't be surprised if ASM is right that statistically speaking, most people make characters that represent their race, but I think the bottom line is that *people just make characters that they want*. What influences that, which they want in a character, it can be many different factors. It doesn't need to be based on appearance. It just so happens that maybe most people just don't have anything better or original to want from a fantasy character, so they "self-insert", instead of making an interesting character. So you see a lot of people make characters of the same race, appearance or whatever. I think asm is on the right track with what he's going for, but he's wrong in regards to the bigger picture.
Am guy that plays female only characters. if I’m gonna stare at an ass all day it might as well be a chick.
So basically, instead of creating a fake diverse cast of bland self insert characters, make an actual diverse cast of what people want to be.
It really just depends on the player. I have *never* made a character that looks like me. It just doesn't do anything for me. I have a friend that always makes the "same character" and that character looks nothing like him. In general RPGs should have plenty of creation/customization/outfit options unless there's some logical or historical reason otherwise.
@@onegirltwojackets2835 I don't make characters that "look" like me, but whenever I do make human characters they're almost always white like me.
Im honestly not sure how common it is to make characters similar to yourself but im pretty sure it's above 50ish%
That wasn't hes argument initaly. Hes argument was making characters that look like the player which is very much different than saying that they have the same race. Not to mention that in RP terms race represent playable races(orc, troll, human, tauren etc.) reather than skin color. Saying that 80% of players make characters that generaly look like them is a massive mistake, and the bringing in wow as an example where most people play other races than human. Than he switched the topic to gender because he was called out on it, and he had no respons to it.
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It honestly felt more like he is trying to put hes own preferences over others and disregarding those with different ones.
Damn, that overwatch segment is very sad now
"There's no orcs in real life"
EXACTLY
That means that every single orc, undead, dwarf, gnome, etc are ALL played by irl humans. Humans who look nothing like that race. Unless 80% of the playerbase pretty much every game with a race option went with human, your argument falls apart. There are people who want to play characters that are just buffed up versions of them, that is true, but they're the minority. A lot of people want to play as something completely different than what they are, hence why you get people hounding the people who play humans in fantasy games and making fun of them.
@@Arezkkuzu You're the one missing the point here. When given a chance to really go off and make something that looks NOTHING like that, that has tails or purple skin or rotten flesh, people tend to steer away from what they know and are and represent themselves as something completely different.
Your first sentence is basically just copium being like "Oh, if we just ignore this stuff that completely throws Asmond's argument out of the window then I'm so right and you're wrong".
If you strip away the player's ability to actually make someone that they can't know in our world, then yes, they're probably going to make a character that looks more like an idealised version of themselves than Suzy from the office, but in order to get to that point, you have to remove the ability to actually choose races in your game or give humans some mechanical advantage or at least more generally appealing aesthetics (which a lot of games do try to do and still end up with low human populations compared to non-human populations).
@@Arezkkuzu No, you are missing the point. They had the option of a human character. They chose not to use it, instead going with something else for whatever reason.
The people who choose nonhuman races therefore obviously rank other things as more important than representing themselves in the game.
As most people choose nonhuman races in world of warcraft, this means most people think other things are more important than self-representation.
Or put another way: The people who think this is important enough to act upon, is a small minority.
“Most guys wanna play as guys”
That’s not even remotely true. Just look at Lost Ark. It’s fucking 80% big milkers, yet the player-base is maybe 10-20% girls at most.
same for almost every MMO. Asmon is biased and completely detached from reality. L take
Lost Ark classes are predominantly gender locked, with more specs being female locked so of course players will most likely choose to play as a girl since they value class abilities and mechanics over appearance.
As for female player percentage although I can't speak for the West, in Korea it was a 33% female playerbase last time they asked.
@@ramdog_millionaire I've seen far more wardancers than strikers in KR, I think most people play for booba. Striker is better designed and visually nicer ability too
@@alwaysamwise isn't it being more visually and mechanically better designed a big reason to choose it over it's male counterpart ? Maybe you're agreeing with me and I'm misunderstanding though
@@ramdog_millionaire nah it's the other way around. Striker is the male, modern and somewhat better counterpart to wardancer. They play quite similarly and striker has a much more modern ability affects. Despite this, people still overwhelmingly pick wardancer over striker.
if there are no orcs in real life , why did i get banned of twitch for calling a guy * An ugly orc * ?
14:50 it's very simple ... The breast produces milk depending on how much The baby demands. So if a baby sucks a Lot , The breast produces a Lot, if The baby drinks a little The breast produces less.
So The baby should be on The breast every 2 or 3 hours ,
So The hours The Mom is at work, if she doesnt milk them , The breast is gonna think The baby doesnt need that many, so it produces less.
Basically , if we didnt have fórmula or technology, milk production would be a matter of life and death.
One day on not freeing The baby can very well dry The Mom.
So it's like a machine... If You stop for a while , it begins to slow down.
It's consistancy, You can't interrupt it or You Will spend a couple of days bringing it back up.
So what working women do is, they keep pumping on schedule, and freeze or store Their milk.. so when she is at work , someone is bottle feeding it to her baby at The house.
Tl:dr milk production is bases off demand. Women have to pump at work, because it would lower significantly milk production, enought to stop production altogether. It's a machine that uses demand to produce .. The breast expect to be sucked every 2 hours or so. If You are at work, The breast thinks The baby doesnt need it.
Ps.. My baby momma's we're lazy fucks, i used to Hold The pump every night while they sleept, both of them did The same for All 4 kids.
The breast never produced more than an ounce at a time, because they just didnt Care pump or wake up to feed baby. Yeah i learned All about breastfeeding because All My babys didnt tolerate fórmula and The lazy assholes of Mom skipped everything breast related.
One of Them literaly tasked me to Hold The pump every night 2 or 3 times a night.
Never got any of them to produce to baby feed. All My kids sadly had to endure Bad tummy aches All of Their baby lives. I used to have horrible FIGHTS because of this, i used to not understand and wish that i was The one with breast so i could feed them, i wouldnt have missed a single pump.
So tl,:dr mothers cannot stop pumping or Their milk production lowers very very low that in The natural world The baby would die.
Please if You are a woman, don't do this to your husbands, breastfeed your baby, please it's your job, not his.
If people don't want their character to resemble them in some way, then all this "representation" issue shouldn't exist in the first place.
I think Asmongold missed the point completely when it came to characters looking like ones self. Absolutely people make characters that look like them in RPGs.
But I find it hard to believe people pick heroes in Overwatch based on how similar to themselves they look...
He did say when you have the opportunity to create your character, then ppl tend to make them look like them. Obviously in games that have pre-made characters, nobody will be trying to find the character that mostly looks like them.
omg some people still don't understand , he spent so much time explaining exactly what he meant even if it was already clear enough
Wow, Asmon really couldn't admit on taking an L with that argument, to the point of refusing to do a poll
"Let's turn on sub mode so we can discuss this"
"Actually, let's ban anyone that doesn't agree with me"
The omnipotent Asmongold...
On my first play-through of Skyrim on 11/11/11, I created a male Nord character. In the years since, I typically play Altmer females, since I prefer magic users, and I am 6‘6“ tall. I was also a professional stage actor for 17 years (nothing you’ve seen, so don’t strain yourself), and I prefer to play characters who are not like me. If I do not play as an Altmer female , I will play as a Bosmer, Dunmer, or Redguard female. I played an orc once, and I also have a mod which allows me to play as a Dremora. I always choose female. I like to stretch my imagination by trying to figure out how someone who is not like me might solve a problem.
I know how I would solve the problem, just like I do in my dreams: I manifest a violet lightsaber and cut shit in half.
When it comes to diversity in characters, I don't think a lot of companies realize that what they're doing when they're creating their characters with diversity in mind; Activision Blizzard with their diversity charts, all this scientific bullshit that gets roped into this... I don't think they realize that they're creating the equivalent of a stock photo, or a commercial that fails spectacularly at trying to depict a group of friends or something in a normal situation and you can just smell the paper that the diversity checklist was printed on from a mile away. It's blatantly fake, it's not real, it doesn't represent anybody, it's devoid of genuine personality, emotion, possibly even devoid of humanity itself... it doesn't come across as genuine. It's completely transparent that it's a product of a checklist. Unfortunately there's so much of this going on that I think a segment of the audience smells that bullshit even when it's not there, and to add onto that problem, it's also kind of a subjective thing to start with. There's no formula for spotting a stock photo... you just see it so much that you kind of know what to look for, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can spot one every single time. Eventually you get so jaded that you start thinking everything's a bullshit stock photo.
If you've noticed, a lot of the folk/companies who keep on going on and on about how much they care about inclusivity and diversity end up getting ousted for all kinds of horrible things, like bigotry, sexual harassment/assault, abuse, causing suicide, manipulation, mistreatment of employees and their time/money, etc. This isn't just an ABK thing, either. 2K, Ubisoft, EA, Gearbox, Bungie, etc.... even infamous activists like Zoey Quinn, who has literally lead someone to commit suicide over baseless allegations directed towards them, on top of being a horribly toxic individual in general.
Just something to keep in mind, especially since companies that actually care about inclusivity or diversity don't put it on a pedestal. They just... make games. They make a character who isn't white or male and treat it like it's normal, because it is and SHOULD be treated as normal. Race, gender, sexuality: it's all a part of a person's identity, it shouldn't define why they're better or more privileged, because doing so only exasperates the problem society has with racism and inequality to begin with... something that a lot of self-proclaimed civil rights supporters/activists don't seem to understand.
i get what your saying. but the problem also lays within us as a community... being "woke" and offended because this or not is not represented. companies pick this up and try to come up with solutions which aren't ideal as u said.