you can tell in the Interview, Simon is tired of living in JRR's shadow. He just wants to see it burn. We should have expected this after Christopher's death, he was the last gatekeeper to the lore.
@@peteg475 He did attempt writing books under a different name, none of them were successful. His actions just reek of spite and jealousy at this point. Never can come come close to what his grandfather achieved so he's attempting to run it into the ground and change it all.
.. I tried and tried to warn people about something happening like this way in advance - I pointed out the whole backrooom sjw thing priscilla tolkein did, How she and her brother basically did this BEFORE this Simon guy, Showed them evidence, Talked to youtubers even about it - No one did or said anything and some even made excuses for the legendarium falling into the public domain in the far-future because of the backward-nature of someone like simon: So now its too late. Whatever happens happens and simon's probably going to end up selling the whole thing lock stock and barrel to amazon, And i know this because just ask yourselves one question: Does he have any ''Kids?' No? Yeah - When theres no one in the family to, Uh, 'Inherit' a family-franchise like the LEGENDARIUM? Then theres already 'Blood' in the water and amazon knows it.. +
@@onojioboardwalk9748 the books will always be the only true representation of Tolkiens legacy. Peter Jacksons movies and Alan Lees illustrations are great tributes in my opinion. And none of them will go away. They can produce whatever trash they want... We all know what is and what isnt Tolkien.
It started with the forging of the great Films. The threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. The rights were granted to Jackson, the great mountain miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore .And nine, nine hours were given to the race of men, who above all else desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the Land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a Master Flop. And in to this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate every film ONE SHOW TO RUIN THEM ALL. ⚔
@@Bruelax11 Seriously? Let's see... _Rings of Prime_ - Gandalf arrives in Middle-earth prior to the Great Rings being forged. Actual Lore - Gandalf arrived in Middle-earth 1000 years into the Third Age, nearly 3000 years AFTER the Great Rings were forged. ******************************************** _Rings of Prime_ - Elendil and his sons are wandering around the world before the Great Rings are forged. Actual Lore - Elendil was born in 3119 of the Second Age, 1600 years _AFTER_ the Great Rings were forged. ******************************************** _Rings of Prime_ - Sauron duped Galadriel into trusting him. Actual Lore - Galadriel, Elrond and Gil-Galad were _NEVER_ duped by Sauron in any of his many guises. ******************************************** _Rings of Prime_ - Harfoots aren't hobbits. Actual Lore - The Harfoots were one of the three early tribes of Hobbits. ******************************************* _Rings of Prime_ - Mordor is created via a nonsensical Rube Goldberg machine. Actual Lore - Morgoth created Mordor during the First Age. ****************************************** _Rings of Prime_ - Galadriel has no idea where Celeborn is, or even if he's alive. Actual Lore - Galadriel and Celeborn were married shortly after the downfall of Morgoth at the end of the First Age, and lived together for the entirety of the Second and Third Ages. ******************************************* _Rings of Prime_ - Galadriel is the most badass warrior in all of Arda, spending hundreds (thousands?) of years wandering around Middle-earth looking for orcs / Sauron. Actual Lore - Galadriel had been settled in Eregion for 800 years before the forging of the Great Rings, opposes Sauron in his Annatar form, and moves (WITH CELEBORN) to the area that would become known as Lothlorien more than 100 years before the Great Rings were forged. ****************************************** _Rings of Prime_ - Durin IV is the son of Durin III, and both are living in Khazad-Dum when the Great Rings are forged. Actual Lore - Durin IV wasn't the son of Durin III; Durin is a name given to a dwarf who is believed to be Durin the Deathless reincarnated to lead the dwarves again. Durin III was born around the time the Great Rings were forged. Durin IV was born at the end of the Second Age or early in the Third Age, more than 1500 years _AFTER_ Durin III died. ******************************************** _Rings of Prime_ - A fight between a balrog and an elf created Mithril. Actual Lore - Mithril was just a rare metal that was only found in Khazad-dum. ******************************************** _Rings of Prime_ - Elves _NEED_ mithril to survive. Actual Lore - Mithril is just a rare metal. ***************************************** That's just a handful of BS the idiots making this show have put into it. There are many, many other examples. Of course these morons can bastardize Tolkien's legendarium without having the rights to adapt specific writings. I'm legitimately not sure how anyone could fail to understand that.
@@Bruelax11 Well, some examples are 1) The show has taken events that happened very far apart in time and had them happening at the same time, such as Elendil and Isildur being alive at the time of the forging of the Rings of Power. 2) The 3 Rings of Power Celebrimbor forged on his own were the last of the Rings to be crafted, not the first, and Sauron had no role in their crafting. 3) The estrangement of the Númenoreans from the Elves was due to the former's envy of Elven immortality, not fear of losing their jobs 4) Mithril was not created from a fight between an Elf and a Balrog Beyond that, there was nothing preventing the showrunners and writers from reading what Tolkien actually wrote, regardless of what the rights situation was, and making sure they didn't blatantly contradict it. And if they couldn't manage that then they shouldn't have made the show at all.
Speechless. If any of these rumours are true for season 2 it confirms absolute crearive bankruptcy. I remember some one saying "back to the books, back to the books, back to the books" didnt realise they meant random reddit/tumblr fanfiction
Just think of Rings Of Power like a Paid Protester at a BLM rally. Rings Of Power is 100% PROPAGANDA & has nothing to do with PROFIT. The idea of "Go Woke Go Broke" is flawed because it suggest that these Leftist Propagandist have to maneuver with in a Free Market but they don't. In order to beat these Leftist we have to WIN in Politics. While I'm glad people are turning this trash off & exposing it your not going to kill these Huge Money Machines with Boycotts. They are going to keep hammering the Leftist Agendas home regardless.
They are just using Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings as a ready made audience for their agenda, just like Star Wars, just like Star Trek, just like Dr. Who, and on and on and on. They fill it with DEI and ideological hiring. They hate our culture, they hate Tolkien, who they us with an absolute passion. So they vandalize it, "corrupt it", to attack us and feel superior for doing it.
If it was about making a profit and making a good show then even the concept of a second season would be a joke to Amazon Prime. Instead we get this mockery of a series. So there has to be another reason *coughLaunderingcough* @@alistairjames490
Agreed, there´s simply no way, nothing they can write, that can undo the mistakes of Season 1 (apart from, I suppose, Galadriel waking up from a bad dream in S2 E1), so they might as well entertain us with their continuing unfaithfulness to and fundamental misunderstanding of Tolkien. I've already written off RoP, so may as well get some more laughs out of it.
I hope the final cliffhanger will be real Celeborn next to Sauron disguised as Celeborn, and Galadriel pointing a gun at them not knowing whom to shoot
If I had $700 million to spend I would make sure the script makes sense, at the very least. Somehow that doesn't matter to them at all. They don't get it. They don't understand the appeal or care about the stories JRR Tolkien wrote.
They're such weak minded failures that they blindly support anything they're told to support, so when they write a show, they can't conceive why people actually enjoy Tolkien; they seem to honestly believe that no matter what they do, all Tolkien fans will love it just because it has a name from Tolkien's writing.
Welcome to the corporate world. When they purchased the rights the wording was that they purchased "worldwide leading IP." They couldn't care less about the story, then think is a label to put to a plastic lunch box and it will sell, and if they race or gender swap the characters the lunch box will get ESG patronage.
They are making this show for people who barely have the attention span to watch Tik Tok videos and can't possibly read books. All the twists and the turns and the cliffhangers and the sudden reveals and the secret box concept are literally made for Tik Tok. No need to keep the story coherent and logical and the characters consistent when the goal is to constantly shock and awe people with red herrings. Meanwhile, Tolkien is spinning in his grave
if anything the one person to blame is JRR Tolkien grandson - Simon Tolkien. It's apparent that he is jealous of his grandfather's legacy and has been under the shadow of his grandfather success, for far too long, he did write some novel which were unsuccessful, a mediocre writer at best and nothing like his grand father. His father Christopher Tolkien was the avid defender of Tolkien's lore, a true great keeper but he passed away back in 2020, so who's left to continue that legacy, well his son Simon, and It's a shame that he has Tolkien as his surname. I don't think he cares a lot of his grand father legacy, all he cares that he has Tolkien name and he will just milk it as long as he lives... and he is a head of Tolkien estate now, and Amazon is paying a lot of money for that. I am glad though that we still have the books, which will remain untouched and uncorrupted. one can always use their own imagination when reading these epic masterpiece. You don't need films or movies.
My prediction: an elven hero and a Balrog fought in the middle of a stream and then an earthquake swallowed them both up in a chasm trapping them under the stream and their good and evil essences mixed and seeped into the stream and then a horse came by and drank from it and that's where Shadowfax comes from.
Simon let us know exactly who he was many years ago in various interviews. I cringe at the thought of him selling out his grandfather’s legacy. Such a sad state of affairs if any of this is true.
You have to admit, there is no worse way to slander Tolkien and his entire mythos than to turn character who represents innocence, joy of living and childlike wonder into... Satan. It is actually so diabolical I wonder if it was merely dumbness on the part of the "creatives" or that they knew exactly what they were doing.
> Rumor #4 Please tell me they didn't hire an Intimate Lighting Co-ordinator. > Rumor #11 Sorry... are they trying to tell us that A HORSE is AS OLD AS THE ENTIRETY OF THE THIRD AGE? This horse is about as old as fake-Gandalf's entire existence in not-Middle-earth? > Rumor #13 Sorry, hold up... are they saying that in a show which is called, for some unfathomable reason, "The Rings Of Power", you're telling me that said eponym rings ARE ONLY EVER FASHIONED IN THE FINAL EPISODES OF EACH SEASON. ffs you might as well have a show called "Reva" all about this bitter old Jedi called "Obi-Wan". > Rumor #14 SORRY are they trying to say that the thing standing next to Galadriel when she gives her gifts to the Fellowship wasn't Celeborn? "Cowladriel will have to make a choice to save not-Celeborn in the season-ending"? > This means there will be four different versions of Sauron. ... sir, *there are no versions of Sauron in this show* as there are no versions of Galadriel, Elrond, Durin, Dis, Gil-Galad, Celebrimbor... Which reminds me, have we yet heard any explanation as to how a volcano (like say, Vesuvius that destroyed a town and several villas burying it under a 10 kilometre radius at 250-300 degrees C of about five metres of volcanic ash) DIDN'T KILL EVERYTHING IN SIGHT? > I mean, it was written for them, in Tolkien's own words it, was laid out for them, easily, but they're so incapable of understanding what a good story is, what good writing is, what good literature is, what good characters are ... sir, this is the point where I would've gotten up to applaud. This is when I hit the Like button. Thank you.
I can't wait for the scene where the vampire jumps off the highest tower of Minas Tirith and lands on a passing X Wing, uses his magic lasso to steer the X Wing right into Godzilla's face, and hero pose lands and says "Thus the Age of Morbin' begins"
The problem with Rings of Power is not just it wrecking the lore. It's unbelievably awfully written and directed. Even if they stay more true to the lore in season 2, it is highly likely it will absolute shit.
The sad thing is that although these rumors could be false, every single one absolutely feels like something this show could do. One positive note: not a single rumor involved the fake hobbits, so perhaps that means they get less screentime.
The Nothobbit tribe won't get screentime. I'm sure Nori will. They didn't bring a wizard in to go off with Nori to not give them substantial screentime.
You know what? I hope this new season is so riciculous and nonsensical, so far away from everything Tolkien wrote that it burns long and bright, so that we remember the bonfire for the next 5 decades. They deserve it, the writers more than anyone, but starting the second season, any actor who willingly associates themselves with this mockery of narrative. Adar's actor was clever and jumped off the boat. Now I want it to sink.
Oh man. I want the Music of the Ainur to be peaceful Ambient/New Age, like Enya. And then I want Melkor to shout "METAL!!!!" and whip out his awesome guitar (shaped like Grond) and totally shred on it like super hardcore. Three times did the Choir begin the Ainulindalë, and three times did Melkor interrupt it with his totally rockin' headbanging Creation Metal -- The Music of The Powers! If you're gonna go camp, might as well go all out.
Thanks, I needed a laugh! Having no intention of ever watching anymore of this steaming pile, it's still fun to hear it being dissed. One of those great occasions on which it actually feels good to thoroughly hate something. Even so, it does make me a little sad too. There was so much potential and money to make it happen. This coulda been a contender...ah well...😢
Ooooooh nooooooooo..... Not Tom Bombadil and Goldberry!! They don't deserve this! I genuinely didnt think that ROP could disappoint me any more than it already has.
I'm excited for the second season only to see you guys suffer through it. It's entertaining. But seriously, you can't really save this show at this point without retconing all of the first season. So if you're not willing to do that your only option is to double down on the stupidity
@@TheOneRingcom An interesting factoid is that there is an equivalent term in English - it is epicaricacy. The English word is so rare that schadenfredue is normally used, though I think Tolkien as a philologist would have been interested in this word.
Ah, come on, we've been here before, it's already as bad as it could possible get, there's nothing new they could introduce that would... 7:54... Sauron has a child. The second greatest evil - whose single most important distinguishing feature in Tolkien's legendarium is that THEY CANNOT CREATE, ONLY CORRUPT - has a child. The ultimate act of creation. Even if we assume he has this child before his fall to Melkor... This is about the most profound corruption of Tolkien's ethos I've ever seen. You might as well have Galadriel turn to the camera to say "Eru is dead."
Why couldn't Sauron procreate pre-fall? Luthien's mother was a maiar. It's not like it would be unprecedented. That said, I think it would be stupid and terrible since we have a ton of info about Sauron and nothing says or hints that he has children.
@@alharron2145 I completely agree. That's what I wrote in the second part of my message. I was pointing out the flaw in your argument where you said Sauron could not create, only corrupt (I think they use mock in Tolkien's work). We have explicit evidence that maiar could procreate. I'm just saying what's possible, not how I think it should be implemented.
1 million bucks says they have Eru Illuvitar voiced by a transgender or female. This will be equal to or worse of a bastardization of Tolkien's work. We can only hope there isn't as much hate watching this time around.
I bet they didn't read the Silmarillion because otherwise they had died in the part when Tolkien explains about the physical appearance of the Valar that gender wasn't something casual they could choose, it was already determined.
If these rumors are true, it seems that Rings of Power is a purposeful attack on Tolkien's legendarium. These concepts are so contradictory to well established lore.
If Tom Bombadil was secretly Morgoth all along, you’d think getting his hands on the One Ring would have been quite the boon for him. In the One Ring stands a chance for Morgoth to reclaim a semblance of his great power and exert dominance over the Shadow once again. No, if there is one being that would be worse than Sauron getting the One Ring, that would be Morgoth. I don’t care if Morgoth was turned into Tom as a punishment and that’s why he turns from the ring; dumb is dumb.
All of Middle Earth was Morgoth's Ring already. I don't think Morgoth was Tom Bombadil at all, but I don't know what the Ring would have offered Morgoth that he already had more of.
@@benjamintherogue2421 I don’t think Tom Bombadil is Morgoth either. In fact, it wouldn’t make any sense as we know Morgoth was banished through the Doors of Night and into the Void at the end of the First Age. Also, Tom Bombadil was said to exist before the Dark Lord came to Arda. To claim one is the other would be a huge lore break. However, I was merely going off the rumors that the second season of The Rings of Power was going to make that claim. A lot of Sauron’s power came from Morgoth, or at least his influence, so the power he used to forge the One Ring likely tied back to the original Dark Lord too. If Morgoth was now Tom Bombadil, having some essence of his power returned to him, no matter how small, would have been irresistible to him. However, Tom was wholly uninterested in the One Ring nor did he care much about Sauron. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for the greatest evil in Arda to pass that chance up. And if the Valar had the power to change Morgoth’s personality from evil to neutral by turning him into Tom Bombadil, why wouldn’t they do the same to Sauron or the Balrogs? That goes completely against the concept of free will. Tolkien believed that free will is necessary if good and order are to prevail. Otherwise, can you say you are good when the choice has already been made for you? No, the Valar would never turn Morgoth into someone else. I really hope this rumor is fake, because it really is that bad.
He put the ring on in fellowship of the ring and it didn’t affect him. He is more of a neutral party. I have a theory he is the embodiment of the good Melkor once had because he was capable of feeling shame and guilt. Melkor is Morgoth after he puts his power and corruption into everything and spends some time in the void and turns the Noldor against the valar. The ring wraiths won’t fuck with him, but he won’t really go out of his way to kick their asses either. In the series of poems from tales from a perilous realm he assists a troll, trolls are essentially ents turned into evil by Morgoth.
@@Bruelax11 I don't think he's Melkor at all. I think he's simply an eternal entity that existed long before all of the other's were sung into existence. He was the very first character Tolkien created and he traveled the realms of Tolkien's imagination long before any of the other characters came along in Tolkien's mind. I think he's Imagination itself made manifest. Tolkien was very vague about who or what he was, but he did say he represented something very essential to his stories. That's it, that's all we have to go off. I don't know if I'm correct at all, but I certainly don't see how Tolkien could have him be Melkor. Melkor already represented something and it wasn't anything good. He certainly spawns many good conversations filled with speculation and imagination though.
@@benjamintherogue2421 he could also be Tolkein’s avatar in a way. A personification of the music of the Auinor. Gandalf does go hang out with him before the end of the return of the king because he no longer has a purpose and wants to stay out of the way while the hobbits deal with their own shit. Tom Bombadil also mentions he was around for the dark lord. Not Sauron, but Morgoth. Melkor is Satan essentially but remember Satan was originally an angel. Idk just lots to unpack
Just last week I learned that there's apparently a "fan theory" that Bombadil is Melkor and Goldberry is Ungoliant. The writers of this abomination didn't invent that, but they're apparently so useless and ignorant that they read / heard this idiotic theory and decided to run with it. Because of course they did.
Simon Tolkien hates Tolkien's legacy. He's an absolute troll. This is what happens when narcissistic brats inherit something magnificent that isn't about them.
he is jeaolus of his grand father's success, and already sick and tired to be under the shadow of his grand father, he couldnt achieve what his grandfather had achieved....a mediocre writer at best. Yes its a shame really. If he hates Tolkien's legacy so much, maybe he shouldn't use Tolkien as his surname, but I know he won't because that name is lucrative and he will milk it as long as he can, while he is still alive, Amazon is paying $$$$ a lot to Tolkien Estate for this and Simon is the head of the estate.
Going off the rails implies there was a point in the past when the train was on the rails. It wasn't even a train to begin with but a donkey and cart ambling off down the road.
I was hoping that Elrond would start flirting with Galadriel so I could yell at my TV, "WTF AMAZON!?" But Bombadil and GoldBerry being the literal embodiments of evil is enough for me.
Eru Illuvitar creating the universe and Arda. I can't even begin to express just how much it distresses me that Amazon's Ring of Power will be the first major production to show this. Bombadil is Morgoth? The show runners have been trolling the interwebs and saw some bullshit fan theory and said YEAH! that's a good idea!
I don't care who does the creation of the universe and Arda first. I only care that it's good and correct. Bombadil as Morgoth would be absolutely terrible. They don't need Bombadil in this story just like they didn't need him in the trilogy movies. Trying to answer the 'who really is Tom Bombadil' is a mistake. If he's going to be in the story he needs to remain non-definable that he is this or that.
@@PseudoNym100 "I don't care who does the creation of the universe and Arda first. I only care that it's good and correct." Well, That is my point, If Rings of Power does it it will be neither good nor correct.
I don't know why they bothered hiring actors to play Melchior and Ungoliant. They should just have let the showrunner do it. They're doing ore damage to Tolkien's world than either of those enemies ever did.
Rumor #1: Getting the rights to the Silmarillion should be a good thing. Rumor #2: A whole episode dedicated to Sauron? Um, how about no? Tolkien wisely focused on the heroes, not the villains. Rumor #3: Melkor seeing the other Valar created is neither here nor there although again we ought not to be seeing things from the villain's perspective. Rumor #4: The lighting color choices aren't much of a scoop. Rumor #5: Different actors playing Sauron is actually a good thing. Rumor #6: Don't really care which actor play Sauron first. Rumor #7: There's no way a meeting of the Maia to discuss Melkor is going to be good. There's literally no context for the audience. Rumor #8: Sauron almost corrupting Gandalf is a terrible idea and is a complete misunderstanding of who Gandalf is. Saruman otoh... Rumor #9: Dwarves are supposed to stubborn and not easily swayed. They never served Morgoth so they should be able to shake off Sauron easily. Sauron focused on men and orcs for a reason Rumor #10: Sauron having a son is an abominable notion. He's an actual evil being, not a parody like Dr. Evil. Rumor #11: I have a sinking feeling that Gandalf meeting Shadowfax will somehow culminate with Galadriel riding him since we all saw how much she just loves to ride horses... Rumor #12: Bombadil is probably the most impossible of all of Tolkien's characters to get right. There's no way ROP will succeed. Rumor #13: The One Ring has to be forged sooner or later I suppose. It really ought to be the last one he makes to make any sense. Rumor #14: Sauron pretending to be Celeborn is just melodramatic rubbish. It's evil twin soap opera level bad. And let me guess: Galadriel rejects Sauron again because we didn't have enough cringe with that in the first season.
Sounds like more dreadful fan fiction, they didn't get anything right in Series One. It's as if it was written by Melkor out in the void to purposely destroy all light, hope and joy.
Season 1 was a disgrace. Thankfully it drifted so far from Tolkien that it bore no resemblance. The closer they get to Tolkien Lore in Season 2 the more damage they can do.
If Shadowfax is pictured in these series , he will be at least 3019 years old, when he meets Gandalf . That's, if we ignore second age completely, cause who knows when it takes place . Nothing adds up .
I wouldn’t wish the anguish that this show causes me on my worst enemy. I pray to God every night it gets cancelled and this horrible spectacle can become a thing of the past as we wait for the arrival of the adaptation the fans deserve.
Deconstruction of stories with clear moral characters is always demonically elevating the wicked in place of the good. The producers and writers know exactly what they are doing.
Thank you for this summary of rumours. It is a shame and a pity that Amazon puts its hands on Tolkien's world, completely distorting it. During the video, I was wondering why the names Gandalf or Mithrandir were used. I mean, if the Amazon series really wants to show that the Maia discuss about Morgoth, it can be only in the First Age. At this time, his name was Olórin.
The only thing to take away from the rumor that these hacks now have the rights to _The Silmarillion_ is that they will then have even more lore to bastardize...
The Mearas were a breed of wild horses in the north of Middle-earth, they were not immortals. They were descended from Felaróf, who was tamed by the first King of Rohan, Eorl
If you’re not going to be reasonably faithful to the source material, what’s the point? It just gives off an air of arrogance that they think they could do it better than the author himself. They fundamentally don’t understand J.R.R. Tolkien, his worldview, and the world he was creating. So anything they create will always be a distorted, uncanny valley fan” fiction.
Simon is simply destroying his grand father legacy....I guess he has been under the shadow of his grandpa for too long , a former barrister, and mediocre novelist and writer .
He got a review back on one of his books once that basically called him a D-list writer who only got published In the first place because of his last name. Instead of looking in the mirror he blamed his grandfather for casting such a huge shadow over him. He’s a terrible human being.
At this point HBO should just buy the rights to the Silmarillion and make a proper adult animated series of it. Get the best animators/artists around, throw a billion dollars at Noah Hawley/Jon Spaihts/Guillermo Del Toro/Peter Jackson, and make 5-7 seasons. Anything is better than what we got now.
It doesn’t really matter at the end of the day. 30 years from now no one will remember the show. But the movies and books are timeless. Take heart in that fact fellow fans
There is a fine line between "the series is bad because it was poorly written" and "the series is bad because I don't want it to be good.". Spending time on rumours while acknowledging that they are rumours and still drawing the conclusion that it's going to be very bad based only on those rumours is... not good.
God I hate people like Simon. Like dude, just cause you are JRR's grandson, doesn't mean you have to follow in his footsteps. He tried writing some stuff of his own but wasn't successful, which is fine. He doesn't need to be. Don't be jealous cause you have a different calling. Honor your grandfather and his legacy and build your own life. And all these Hollywood people are the same. They can't create good stuff so they make other people's stuff their own.
Anyone gullible/stupid enough to invest a second of their time/lives, or a .01 of their money for this steaming pile of utter BS, has only themselves to blame for a 'Season: 2' even existing. You get exactly what you're willing to tolerate and enable/fund.
How. HOW does anyone have even the slightest hope for season 2? Even ignoring the bastardizing of Tolkiens work the writing was SO bad. So so so bad. What they did to galadriel is unforgivable
The train crashed into a sewage plant and burned in a horrific inferno. How can a hulking pile of burning sewage go off the rails? That ship has sailed....
you can tell in the Interview, Simon is tired of living in JRR's shadow. He just wants to see it burn. We should have expected this after Christopher's death, he was the last gatekeeper to the lore.
If he's so tired of it, he should change his name.
@@peteg475 He likes the income, doesn't care about the material.
Simon is like the stepson from a previous marriage.
@@peteg475 He did attempt writing books under a different name, none of them were successful. His actions just reek of spite and jealousy at this point. Never can come come close to what his grandfather achieved so he's attempting to run it into the ground and change it all.
he is a mediocre writer at best, he will always be under the shadow of his grandfather greatness.
Simon is such a disappointment to his grandfather's legacy.
It's somewhat unbelievable.
Yeah, he sounds like a real douche
.. I tried and tried to warn people about something happening like this way in advance - I pointed out the whole backrooom sjw thing priscilla tolkein did, How she and her brother basically did this BEFORE this Simon guy, Showed them evidence, Talked to youtubers even about it - No one did or said anything and some even made excuses for the legendarium falling into the public domain in the far-future because of the backward-nature of someone like simon:
So now its too late. Whatever happens happens and simon's probably going to end up selling the whole thing lock stock and barrel to amazon, And i know this because just ask yourselves one question: Does he have any ''Kids?' No? Yeah - When theres no one in the family to, Uh, 'Inherit' a family-franchise like the LEGENDARIUM?
Then theres already 'Blood' in the water and amazon knows it.. +
Its hybris and revenge. He is a terrible human being.
@@onojioboardwalk9748 the books will always be the only true representation of Tolkiens legacy. Peter Jacksons movies and Alan Lees illustrations are great tributes in my opinion. And none of them will go away.
They can produce whatever trash they want... We all know what is and what isnt Tolkien.
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It started with the forging of the great Films.
The threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. The rights were granted to Jackson, the great mountain miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore .And nine, nine hours were given to the race of men, who above all else desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the Land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a Master Flop. And in to this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate every film
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It's like after butchering the lore in season 1, they sat back and said "now how can we top that?"
Fans - "No one could butcher Tolkien's lore worse than the first season of this abomination."
Rings of Prime creators - "Hold my blue milk."
How did they butcher the lore? They weren’t allowed to use most of said lore.
@@Bruelax11
Seriously? Let's see...
_Rings of Prime_ - Gandalf arrives in Middle-earth prior to the Great Rings being forged.
Actual Lore - Gandalf arrived in Middle-earth 1000 years into the Third Age, nearly 3000 years AFTER the Great Rings were forged.
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_Rings of Prime_ - Elendil and his sons are wandering around the world before the Great Rings are forged.
Actual Lore - Elendil was born in 3119 of the Second Age, 1600 years _AFTER_ the Great Rings were forged.
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_Rings of Prime_ - Sauron duped Galadriel into trusting him.
Actual Lore - Galadriel, Elrond and Gil-Galad were _NEVER_ duped by Sauron in any of his many guises.
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_Rings of Prime_ - Harfoots aren't hobbits.
Actual Lore - The Harfoots were one of the three early tribes of Hobbits.
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_Rings of Prime_ - Mordor is created via a nonsensical Rube Goldberg machine.
Actual Lore - Morgoth created Mordor during the First Age.
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_Rings of Prime_ - Galadriel has no idea where Celeborn is, or even if he's alive.
Actual Lore - Galadriel and Celeborn were married shortly after the downfall of Morgoth at the end of the First Age, and lived together for the entirety of the Second and Third Ages.
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_Rings of Prime_ - Galadriel is the most badass warrior in all of Arda, spending hundreds (thousands?) of years wandering around Middle-earth looking for orcs / Sauron.
Actual Lore - Galadriel had been settled in Eregion for 800 years before the forging of the Great Rings, opposes Sauron in his Annatar form, and moves (WITH CELEBORN) to the area that would become known as Lothlorien more than 100 years before the Great Rings were forged.
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_Rings of Prime_ - Durin IV is the son of Durin III, and both are living in Khazad-Dum when the Great Rings are forged.
Actual Lore - Durin IV wasn't the son of Durin III; Durin is a name given to a dwarf who is believed to be Durin the Deathless reincarnated to lead the dwarves again. Durin III was born around the time the Great Rings were forged. Durin IV was born at the end of the Second Age or early in the Third Age, more than 1500 years _AFTER_ Durin III died.
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_Rings of Prime_ - A fight between a balrog and an elf created Mithril.
Actual Lore - Mithril was just a rare metal that was only found in Khazad-dum.
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_Rings of Prime_ - Elves _NEED_ mithril to survive.
Actual Lore - Mithril is just a rare metal.
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That's just a handful of BS the idiots making this show have put into it. There are many, many other examples.
Of course these morons can bastardize Tolkien's legendarium without having the rights to adapt specific writings. I'm legitimately not sure how anyone could fail to understand that.
@@Bruelax11 Well, some examples are
1) The show has taken events that happened very far apart in time and had them happening at the same time, such as Elendil and Isildur being alive at the time of the forging of the Rings of Power.
2) The 3 Rings of Power Celebrimbor forged on his own were the last of the Rings to be crafted, not the first, and Sauron had no role in their crafting.
3) The estrangement of the Númenoreans from the Elves was due to the former's envy of Elven immortality, not fear of losing their jobs
4) Mithril was not created from a fight between an Elf and a Balrog
Beyond that, there was nothing preventing the showrunners and writers from reading what Tolkien actually wrote, regardless of what the rights situation was, and making sure they didn't blatantly contradict it. And if they couldn't manage that then they shouldn't have made the show at all.
@@Bruelax11by changing it and making it crap. That's how
Speechless. If any of these rumours are true for season 2 it confirms absolute crearive bankruptcy. I remember some one saying "back to the books, back to the books, back to the books" didnt realise they meant random reddit/tumblr fanfiction
You misinterpreted what they said. They meant "turn our back to the books. Turn our backs to the books."
Just think of Rings Of Power like a Paid Protester at a BLM rally. Rings Of Power is 100% PROPAGANDA & has nothing to do with PROFIT. The idea of "Go Woke Go Broke" is flawed because it suggest that these Leftist Propagandist have to maneuver with in a Free Market but they don't. In order to beat these Leftist we have to WIN in Politics. While I'm glad people are turning this trash off & exposing it your not going to kill these Huge Money Machines with Boycotts. They are going to keep hammering the Leftist Agendas home regardless.
Well, as far I heard and remember, dumb & dumber never mentioned what books they were refering to.
They're going to try and give Sauron his own thingol and Melian story and Luthien child and it's going to be gross 🤮
It’s honestly impressive how little respect they have for the grandfather of fantasy
They are just using Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings as a ready made audience for their agenda, just like Star Wars, just like Star Trek, just like Dr. Who, and on and on and on. They fill it with DEI and ideological hiring. They hate our culture, they hate Tolkien, who they us with an absolute passion. So they vandalize it, "corrupt it", to attack us and feel superior for doing it.
Yeah and I say F*** them. I got the books. Nothing can take that treasure oaway from me. I don't care about anything else made.
@@ThePsyMinded yeah I mean it was probably not the best idea to piss off the Tolkein fans they destroyed a billion dollar company
The genius grandfather of fantasy!
@@mattblackburn31 the godfather of Fantasy and a genius as well
Tolkien would be furious if he could see this.
They are going to make Celebrian the daughter of Sauron and Galadriel and I'm going to die of a bad case of uncontrolable laughter.
Good grief, that would make Elrond Sauron's son-in-law. Ohhhhhhh, I wish I hadn't thought of that - I foresee it happening in Season 3....
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I can't take it anymore.... Celebrian is Galadriel and Celeborn's daughter. FFS
I just assume the whole thing is a massive money laundering project.
It HAS to be man, there's no ways especially after how horrendous season 1 was and how it was received
It defies logic why Season 2 existed as concept and is now in production. @@alistairjames490
If it was about making a profit and making a good show then even the concept of a second season would be a joke to Amazon Prime. Instead we get this mockery of a series. So there has to be another reason *coughLaunderingcough* @@alistairjames490
you are not the only one compare this to the cartoon billions spent agaist thousands .
its humiliation ritual by the (((powers that be)))
Galadriel saying "when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground" sent chills down my spine.
When did she say this. Because this is Cersei's line from season 1
@@bonganixalisa4568 It's a joke. Galadriel didnt say that but she may as well have.
"Rings of Power goes off the rails in Season 2". Erm...when was it ON the rails in Season 1?
Ha ha
True 😂😂
Season one was a massive disappointment
At this point, i invite RoP to get as crazy as possible. I will thoroughly enjoy the reviews.
Agreed, there´s simply no way, nothing they can write, that can undo the mistakes of Season 1 (apart from, I suppose, Galadriel waking up from a bad dream in S2 E1), so they might as well entertain us with their continuing unfaithfulness to and fundamental misunderstanding of Tolkien. I've already written off RoP, so may as well get some more laughs out of it.
I hope the final cliffhanger will be real Celeborn next to Sauron disguised as Celeborn, and Galadriel pointing a gun at them not knowing whom to shoot
If I had $700 million to spend I would make sure the script makes sense, at the very least. Somehow that doesn't matter to them at all. They don't get it. They don't understand the appeal or care about the stories JRR Tolkien wrote.
They're such weak minded failures that they blindly support anything they're told to support, so when they write a show, they can't conceive why people actually enjoy Tolkien; they seem to honestly believe that no matter what they do, all Tolkien fans will love it just because it has a name from Tolkien's writing.
Oh, "they" understand. They WANT to destroy it.
Welcome to the corporate world. When they purchased the rights the wording was that they purchased "worldwide leading IP." They couldn't care less about the story, then think is a label to put to a plastic lunch box and it will sell, and if they race or gender swap the characters the lunch box will get ESG patronage.
not one of these so called creators read a book .
They are making this show for people who barely have the attention span to watch Tik Tok videos and can't possibly read books. All the twists and the turns and the cliffhangers and the sudden reveals and the secret box concept are literally made for Tik Tok. No need to keep the story coherent and logical and the characters consistent when the goal is to constantly shock and awe people with red herrings. Meanwhile, Tolkien is spinning in his grave
if anything the one person to blame is JRR Tolkien grandson - Simon Tolkien. It's apparent that he is jealous of his grandfather's legacy and has been under the shadow of his grandfather success, for far too long, he did write some novel which were unsuccessful, a mediocre writer at best and nothing like his grand father. His father Christopher Tolkien was the avid defender of Tolkien's lore, a true great keeper but he passed away back in 2020, so who's left to continue that legacy, well his son Simon, and It's a shame that he has Tolkien as his surname. I don't think he cares a lot of his grand father legacy, all he cares that he has Tolkien name and he will just milk it as long as he lives... and he is a head of Tolkien estate now, and Amazon is paying a lot of money for that. I am glad though that we still have the books, which will remain untouched and uncorrupted. one can always use their own imagination when reading these epic masterpiece. You don't need films or movies.
yeah it's a shame
Season 2 needs a musical episode and a holiday special to round out the insanity.
My prediction: an elven hero and a Balrog fought in the middle of a stream and then an earthquake swallowed them both up in a chasm trapping them under the stream and their good and evil essences mixed and seeped into the stream and then a horse came by and drank from it and that's where Shadowfax comes from.
I can't believe they're doing a season 2.
5 seasons are already paid for, we are getting 5 seasons no matter how bad they do.
@@StarfishPatrick231 well thats just wonderful /s
09:50 Some suit: "we want the tweenage horse girl audience".
Simon let us know exactly who he was many years ago in various interviews. I cringe at the thought of him selling out his grandfather’s legacy. Such a sad state of affairs if any of this is true.
I loved the part where Melkor falls from the top of Nakatomi Plaza.
Simon is the biggest shame to Tolkiens name
No, that would be John (1917-2003). The harm he is accused of goes far beyond dodgy adaptations.
They're going to make Sauron the misunderstood hero/victim, aren't they?
Sauron is slightly misunderstood. However, making him seem like a victim instead of a perpetrator will be a giant mistake.
@@PseudoNym100 Agreed.
You have to admit, there is no worse way to slander Tolkien and his entire mythos than to turn character who represents innocence, joy of living and childlike wonder into... Satan.
It is actually so diabolical I wonder if it was merely dumbness on the part of the "creatives" or that they knew exactly what they were doing.
> Rumor #4
Please tell me they didn't hire an Intimate Lighting Co-ordinator.
> Rumor #11
Sorry... are they trying to tell us that A HORSE is AS OLD AS THE ENTIRETY OF THE THIRD AGE? This horse is about as old as fake-Gandalf's entire existence in not-Middle-earth?
> Rumor #13
Sorry, hold up... are they saying that in a show which is called, for some unfathomable reason, "The Rings Of Power", you're telling me that said eponym rings ARE ONLY EVER FASHIONED IN THE FINAL EPISODES OF EACH SEASON.
ffs you might as well have a show called "Reva" all about this bitter old Jedi called "Obi-Wan".
> Rumor #14
SORRY are they trying to say that the thing standing next to Galadriel when she gives her gifts to the Fellowship wasn't Celeborn?
"Cowladriel will have to make a choice to save not-Celeborn in the season-ending"?
> This means there will be four different versions of Sauron.
... sir, *there are no versions of Sauron in this show* as there are no versions of Galadriel, Elrond, Durin, Dis, Gil-Galad, Celebrimbor...
Which reminds me, have we yet heard any explanation as to how a volcano (like say, Vesuvius that destroyed a town and several villas burying it under a 10 kilometre radius at 250-300 degrees C of about five metres of volcanic ash) DIDN'T KILL EVERYTHING IN SIGHT?
> I mean, it was written for them, in Tolkien's own words it, was laid out for them, easily, but they're so incapable of understanding what a good story is, what good writing is, what good literature is, what good characters are
... sir, this is the point where I would've gotten up to applaud. This is when I hit the Like button. Thank you.
Thanks!
I can't wait for the scene where the vampire jumps off the highest tower of Minas Tirith and lands on a passing X Wing, uses his magic lasso to steer the X Wing right into Godzilla's face, and hero pose lands and says "Thus the Age of Morbin' begins"
Sadness… just complete sadness.
The problem with Rings of Power is not just it wrecking the lore. It's unbelievably awfully written and directed.
Even if they stay more true to the lore in season 2, it is highly likely it will absolute shit.
Sauron's...son? WTF
Yeah, this would be a big mistake to make.
Wasn't there a entity from Mordor named Simon the Slimeball?
The sad thing is that although these rumors could be false, every single one absolutely feels like something this show could do.
One positive note: not a single rumor involved the fake hobbits, so perhaps that means they get less screentime.
The Nothobbit tribe won't get screentime. I'm sure Nori will. They didn't bring a wizard in to go off with Nori to not give them substantial screentime.
You know what? I hope this new season is so riciculous and nonsensical, so far away from everything Tolkien wrote that it burns long and bright, so that we remember the bonfire for the next 5 decades.
They deserve it, the writers more than anyone, but starting the second season, any actor who willingly associates themselves with this mockery of narrative. Adar's actor was clever and jumped off the boat. Now I want it to sink.
Exclusive leaked dialog from season 2:
"The outer part of the shadow is called the penumbra" - Shadowfacts
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Oh man.
I want the Music of the Ainur to be peaceful Ambient/New Age, like Enya. And then I want Melkor to shout "METAL!!!!" and whip out his awesome guitar (shaped like Grond) and totally shred on it like super hardcore. Three times did the Choir begin the Ainulindalë, and three times did Melkor interrupt it with his totally rockin' headbanging Creation Metal -- The Music of The Powers!
If you're gonna go camp, might as well go all out.
I could see Melkor in all black,whips out his guitar and play the most devastating metal ever. That would be must see TV.
(Heavy Sigh) Rings Of Power is now just Tumblr fanfiction.
Thanks, I needed a laugh! Having no intention of ever watching anymore of this steaming pile, it's still fun to hear it being dissed. One of those great occasions on which it actually feels good to thoroughly hate something. Even so, it does make me a little sad too. There was so much potential and money to make it happen. This coulda been a contender...ah well...😢
Ooooooh nooooooooo..... Not Tom Bombadil and Goldberry!! They don't deserve this! I genuinely didnt think that ROP could disappoint me any more than it already has.
Not my fair Goldberry!? For shame! Is nothing sacred?
I'm excited for the second season only to see you guys suffer through it. It's entertaining.
But seriously, you can't really save this show at this point without retconing all of the first season. So if you're not willing to do that your only option is to double down on the stupidity
Schadenfreude. The german term has no greater meaning than watching others suffer through The Rings of Power.
Same!
And completely agree
@@TheOneRingcom An interesting factoid is that there is an equivalent term in English - it is epicaricacy. The English word is so rare that schadenfredue is normally used, though I think Tolkien as a philologist would have been interested in this word.
Ah, come on, we've been here before, it's already as bad as it could possible get, there's nothing new they could introduce that would...
7:54... Sauron has a child. The second greatest evil - whose single most important distinguishing feature in Tolkien's legendarium is that THEY CANNOT CREATE, ONLY CORRUPT - has a child. The ultimate act of creation. Even if we assume he has this child before his fall to Melkor... This is about the most profound corruption of Tolkien's ethos I've ever seen. You might as well have Galadriel turn to the camera to say "Eru is dead."
Why couldn't Sauron procreate pre-fall? Luthien's mother was a maiar. It's not like it would be unprecedented.
That said, I think it would be stupid and terrible since we have a ton of info about Sauron and nothing says or hints that he has children.
@@PseudoNym100 The fact that Tolkien never mentioned the 2nd biggest villain of his entire legendarium having offspring should be reason enough, IMO.
@@alharron2145 I completely agree. That's what I wrote in the second part of my message. I was pointing out the flaw in your argument where you said Sauron could not create, only corrupt (I think they use mock in Tolkien's work). We have explicit evidence that maiar could procreate. I'm just saying what's possible, not how I think it should be implemented.
1 million bucks says they have Eru Illuvitar voiced by a transgender or female.
This will be equal to or worse of a bastardization of Tolkien's work.
We can only hope there isn't as much hate watching this time around.
I bet they didn't read the Silmarillion because otherwise they had died in the part when Tolkien explains about the physical appearance of the Valar that gender wasn't something casual they could choose, it was already determined.
Making bombadil and goldenberry melkor and ungolient is absolutely completely and utterly disgusting
If these rumors are true, it seems that Rings of Power is a purposeful attack on Tolkien's legendarium. These concepts are so contradictory to well established lore.
If Tom Bombadil was secretly Morgoth all along, you’d think getting his hands on the One Ring would have been quite the boon for him. In the One Ring stands a chance for Morgoth to reclaim a semblance of his great power and exert dominance over the Shadow once again. No, if there is one being that would be worse than Sauron getting the One Ring, that would be Morgoth. I don’t care if Morgoth was turned into Tom as a punishment and that’s why he turns from the ring; dumb is dumb.
All of Middle Earth was Morgoth's Ring already. I don't think Morgoth was Tom Bombadil at all, but I don't know what the Ring would have offered Morgoth that he already had more of.
@@benjamintherogue2421 I don’t think Tom Bombadil is Morgoth either. In fact, it wouldn’t make any sense as we know Morgoth was banished through the Doors of Night and into the Void at the end of the First Age. Also, Tom Bombadil was said to exist before the Dark Lord came to Arda. To claim one is the other would be a huge lore break. However, I was merely going off the rumors that the second season of The Rings of Power was going to make that claim. A lot of Sauron’s power came from Morgoth, or at least his influence, so the power he used to forge the One Ring likely tied back to the original Dark Lord too. If Morgoth was now Tom Bombadil, having some essence of his power returned to him, no matter how small, would have been irresistible to him. However, Tom was wholly uninterested in the One Ring nor did he care much about Sauron. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for the greatest evil in Arda to pass that chance up.
And if the Valar had the power to change Morgoth’s personality from evil to neutral by turning him into Tom Bombadil, why wouldn’t they do the same to Sauron or the Balrogs? That goes completely against the concept of free will. Tolkien believed that free will is necessary if good and order are to prevail. Otherwise, can you say you are good when the choice has already been made for you? No, the Valar would never turn Morgoth into someone else. I really hope this rumor is fake, because it really is that bad.
He put the ring on in fellowship of the ring and it didn’t affect him. He is more of a neutral party.
I have a theory he is the embodiment of the good Melkor once had because he was capable of feeling shame and guilt. Melkor is Morgoth after he puts his power and corruption into everything and spends some time in the void and turns the Noldor against the valar.
The ring wraiths won’t fuck with him, but he won’t really go out of his way to kick their asses either. In the series of poems from tales from a perilous realm he assists a troll, trolls are essentially ents turned into evil by Morgoth.
@@Bruelax11 I don't think he's Melkor at all. I think he's simply an eternal entity that existed long before all of the other's were sung into existence. He was the very first character Tolkien created and he traveled the realms of Tolkien's imagination long before any of the other characters came along in Tolkien's mind. I think he's Imagination itself made manifest. Tolkien was very vague about who or what he was, but he did say he represented something very essential to his stories. That's it, that's all we have to go off.
I don't know if I'm correct at all, but I certainly don't see how Tolkien could have him be Melkor. Melkor already represented something and it wasn't anything good.
He certainly spawns many good conversations filled with speculation and imagination though.
@@benjamintherogue2421 he could also be Tolkein’s avatar in a way. A personification of the music of the Auinor. Gandalf does go hang out with him before the end of the return of the king because he no longer has a purpose and wants to stay out of the way while the hobbits deal with their own shit.
Tom Bombadil also mentions he was around for the dark lord. Not Sauron, but Morgoth.
Melkor is Satan essentially but remember Satan was originally an angel. Idk just lots to unpack
Just last week I learned that there's apparently a "fan theory" that Bombadil is Melkor and Goldberry is Ungoliant. The writers of this abomination didn't invent that, but they're apparently so useless and ignorant that they read / heard this idiotic theory and decided to run with it. Because of course they did.
To be clear, it was never at any point on the rails.💩
Simon Tolkien hates Tolkien's legacy. He's an absolute troll. This is what happens when narcissistic brats inherit something magnificent that isn't about them.
he is jeaolus of his grand father's success, and already sick and tired to be under the shadow of his grand father, he couldnt achieve what his grandfather had achieved....a mediocre writer at best. Yes its a shame really. If he hates Tolkien's legacy so much, maybe he shouldn't use Tolkien as his surname, but I know he won't because that name is lucrative and he will milk it as long as he can, while he is still alive, Amazon is paying $$$$ a lot to Tolkien Estate for this and Simon is the head of the estate.
I feel like canceling my Amazon membership.
Going off the rails implies there was a point in the past when the train was on the rails. It wasn't even a train to begin with but a donkey and cart ambling off down the road.
Didn't think it would be possible but Season 2 of this travesty actually sounds worse than Season 1 was.
As far as I know these are unsubstantiated rumors. Some of them are not bad (only 2 or 3) but most are a travesty if they prove true.
They have to deconstruct Tolkien because he was a conservative, white, male, and most of all, loved by many.
Wasn't it rumored that Simon sold what he did to Amazon because he hated being in the shadow of his grandfather's legacy?
I was hoping that Elrond would start flirting with Galadriel so I could yell at my TV, "WTF AMAZON!?"
But Bombadil and GoldBerry being the literal embodiments of evil is enough for me.
Eru Illuvitar creating the universe and Arda. I can't even begin to express just how much it distresses me that Amazon's Ring of Power will be the first major production to show this.
Bombadil is Morgoth? The show runners have been trolling the interwebs and saw some bullshit fan theory and said YEAH! that's a good idea!
I don't care who does the creation of the universe and Arda first. I only care that it's good and correct.
Bombadil as Morgoth would be absolutely terrible. They don't need Bombadil in this story just like they didn't need him in the trilogy movies. Trying to answer the 'who really is Tom Bombadil' is a mistake. If he's going to be in the story he needs to remain non-definable that he is this or that.
@@PseudoNym100 "I don't care who does the creation of the universe and Arda first. I only care that it's good and correct."
Well, That is my point, If Rings of Power does it it will be neither good nor correct.
@@tarzan8575 that's certainly the likely outcome, unfortunately.
Hahahahahahahahahaha Tom Bombaldil and Goldberry are actually Melkor and Ungoliant????!!!! Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha😆🤣
It’s hard to believe anyone was willing to sell them more rights after the disaster of season 1. 🤦🏻♀️
Why? Everyone has a price.
maybe Sauron wrote the script!
How can it go off the rails in Season 2? It's never been *_on_* the rails.
If this is true, it is huge . As far as I know the Silmarillion was always off the table .
I don't know why they bothered hiring actors to play Melchior and Ungoliant. They should just have let the showrunner do it. They're doing ore damage to Tolkien's world than either of those enemies ever did.
The Rings of Power is already burned. No way to save it. Just save the money.
Oh they are saving the money ;)
huh, thinks its safe to say.....this is a series that should be cast into the fire and never spoken of ever again.
I’m happy to learn about season 2 on UA-cam. Season 1 didn’t feel like Middle Earth to me. Just doesn’t seem like canon at all.
Rumor #1: Getting the rights to the Silmarillion should be a good thing.
Rumor #2: A whole episode dedicated to Sauron? Um, how about no? Tolkien wisely focused on the heroes, not the villains.
Rumor #3: Melkor seeing the other Valar created is neither here nor there although again we ought not to be seeing things from the villain's perspective.
Rumor #4: The lighting color choices aren't much of a scoop.
Rumor #5: Different actors playing Sauron is actually a good thing.
Rumor #6: Don't really care which actor play Sauron first.
Rumor #7: There's no way a meeting of the Maia to discuss Melkor is going to be good. There's literally no context for the audience.
Rumor #8: Sauron almost corrupting Gandalf is a terrible idea and is a complete misunderstanding of who Gandalf is. Saruman otoh...
Rumor #9: Dwarves are supposed to stubborn and not easily swayed. They never served Morgoth so they should be able to shake off Sauron easily. Sauron focused on men and orcs for a reason
Rumor #10: Sauron having a son is an abominable notion. He's an actual evil being, not a parody like Dr. Evil.
Rumor #11: I have a sinking feeling that Gandalf meeting Shadowfax will somehow culminate with Galadriel riding him since we all saw how much she just loves to ride horses...
Rumor #12: Bombadil is probably the most impossible of all of Tolkien's characters to get right. There's no way ROP will succeed.
Rumor #13: The One Ring has to be forged sooner or later I suppose. It really ought to be the last one he makes to make any sense.
Rumor #14: Sauron pretending to be Celeborn is just melodramatic rubbish. It's evil twin soap opera level bad. And let me guess: Galadriel rejects Sauron again because we didn't have enough cringe with that in the first season.
Don’t know why you keep referring to Eru as a he, we all know Eru will be a she in the show 😂
How is anyone ever going to believe Galadriel has any wisdom at all?
She's the most gullible creature ever created.
I didn't think it could be worse, but i believe in the showrunners, cast and crew. You can do it! 💪
Sounds like more dreadful fan fiction, they didn't get anything right in Series One. It's as if it was written by Melkor out in the void to purposely destroy all light, hope and joy.
The Entwives left to fight patriarchal oppression - quick make a show
Tom Bombabmdil is the Secret Fire, the Flame Imperishable, the Holy Spirit of the Blessed Trinity. He is not the devil. 😢
Season 1 was a disgrace.
Thankfully it drifted so far from Tolkien that it bore no resemblance.
The closer they get to Tolkien Lore in Season 2 the more damage they can do.
R.O.P. is truly the worst thing ever....i cannot help but think its done deliberatly...obviously..LOL
Rings of Poop S2, the next abomination.
If Shadowfax is pictured in these series , he will be at least 3019 years old, when he meets Gandalf . That's, if we ignore second age completely, cause who knows when it takes place . Nothing adds up .
I wouldn’t wish the anguish that this show causes me on my worst enemy. I pray to God every night it gets cancelled and this horrible spectacle can become a thing of the past as we wait for the arrival of the adaptation the fans deserve.
Deconstruction of stories with clear moral characters is always demonically elevating the wicked in place of the good. The producers and writers know exactly what they are doing.
So Melkor's punishment from Eru is to be the happiest, chillest dude in Middle Earth? 😂
Thank you for this summary of rumours. It is a shame and a pity that Amazon puts its hands on Tolkien's world, completely distorting it. During the video, I was wondering why the names Gandalf or Mithrandir were used. I mean, if the Amazon series really wants to show that the Maia discuss about Morgoth, it can be only in the First Age. At this time, his name was Olórin.
This show is like some awful nightmare that I can't wake up from.
The only thing to take away from the rumor that these hacks now have the rights to _The Silmarillion_ is that they will then have even more lore to bastardize...
The Silmarillion as an anthology series could actually be good.
If it was handled by a component studio.
The Mearas were a breed of wild horses in the north of Middle-earth, they were not immortals.
They were descended from Felaróf, who was tamed by the first King of Rohan, Eorl
Strangle it by way of total indifference.
Amazon is doing to Tolkien what Disney did to the Brothers Grimm.
If you’re not going to be reasonably faithful to the source material, what’s the point? It just gives off an air of arrogance that they think they could do it better than the author himself. They fundamentally don’t understand J.R.R. Tolkien, his worldview, and the world he was creating. So anything they create will always be a distorted, uncanny valley fan” fiction.
Simon is simply destroying his grand father legacy....I guess he has been under the shadow of his grandpa for too long , a former barrister, and mediocre novelist and writer .
He got a review back on one of his books once that basically called him a D-list writer who only got published In the first place because of his last name. Instead of looking in the mirror he blamed his grandfather for casting such a huge shadow over him. He’s a terrible human being.
At this point HBO should just buy the rights to the Silmarillion and make a proper adult animated series of it. Get the best animators/artists around, throw a billion dollars at Noah Hawley/Jon Spaihts/Guillermo Del Toro/Peter Jackson, and make 5-7 seasons. Anything is better than what we got now.
$1,000 says Eru will be female
You’re upset the wrong things.
Who cares what bits Eru has, it’s the story that’s important.
@@doubleplusdanny and the story will suck. Just like in season 1
Mr. Tolkiens most liked in season 1: Give me the cashload and give it to me fast
It doesn’t really matter at the end of the day. 30 years from now no one will remember the show. But the movies and books are timeless. Take heart in that fact fellow fans
Im sorry but even the actors resemble a low budget PBS REMAKE...
$250,000,000.00
There is a fine line between "the series is bad because it was poorly written" and "the series is bad because I don't want it to be good.". Spending time on rumours while acknowledging that they are rumours and still drawing the conclusion that it's going to be very bad based only on those rumours is... not good.
God I hate people like Simon. Like dude, just cause you are JRR's grandson, doesn't mean you have to follow in his footsteps. He tried writing some stuff of his own but wasn't successful, which is fine. He doesn't need to be. Don't be jealous cause you have a different calling. Honor your grandfather and his legacy and build your own life. And all these Hollywood people are the same. They can't create good stuff so they make other people's stuff their own.
Anyone gullible/stupid enough to invest a second of their time/lives, or a .01 of their money for this steaming pile of utter BS, has only themselves to blame for a 'Season: 2' even existing.
You get exactly what you're willing to tolerate and enable/fund.
Tolkein is rolling in his barrow..when in doubt,always follow your lore.
How. HOW does anyone have even the slightest hope for season 2? Even ignoring the bastardizing of Tolkiens work the writing was SO bad. So so so bad.
What they did to galadriel is unforgivable
It's crazy that of all the rumours in this video the most logical and credible is Sauron having a son.
The train crashed into a sewage plant and burned in a horrific inferno. How can a hulking pile of burning sewage go off the rails? That ship has sailed....
What we’d like to see is TOLKIEN story!
Wait! They're going to do a season 3?
ARRRRGGGGGHHH!
I need to go wash my ears and my eyeballs.
There are indeed curses in the tounges of men that fit Simon Tolkien but none are repeatable here