Yes, please do more video essays. I love your normal video format, and don't want to see that go away, but this was really well researched & presented, as well as informative.
Thanks! I’m hoping for a good response to this, I have a handful of ideas that might be worth building an essay out of. This one has taken about five months from script to publication, so don’t expect them to be a regular occurrence!
Hello there calling you guys from the end of 2023 Yeah we still can't kill that little bastard It's a goddamn honey badger!!!! Seriously the closest piece of silicon you can get to its graphics processor on a budget is the RX 5500 XT which you can sometimes SOMEtimes get for about a $150 when it's on sale or when you buy it used. That's the graphics card alone That's not even taking it to consideration the CPU which you need an ryzen 7 2700x which will run you a cool $200 on sale new or around 120 used. Yeah for those keeping notes brand new and on sale that's already over $350.... Yeah..... Not a good start considering we haven't even taken into account the RAM the SSD the power supply or really anything else, 550, Right now if you want it brand new and only if you find yourself with some massive discounts you are looking at around $550 to match the series s again that is with some mega hefty discounts. Or if you somehow manage to find yourself with some ultra heavy discounts because you were lucky that particular day on a blue moon or because you got yourself some used parts that are ridiculously low price you are still looking at $450. But you know that's fine, considering the rate of depreciation on the parts by next year you should be able to build a series s killer for around $300 with some good discounts and only a few used parts...... Except the Series s will drop price to $250 next year because there's going to be a new series s with better components and a 1 terabyte hard drive releasing next year or the year after that for $300. On better news however we might be able to beat the series X.... With used parts on discount... Not necessarily the leaked Series X all digital or PS5 digital..... I mean used parts and heavy discounts will probably get you to 450.... But those things are going to be sold for 400 bucks...... Or you know about 350 used for the PS5 considering the leaks for the Xbox say it's going to come with a 1-year subscription to game pass I don't think we're going to see any used Xbox sx digitals on the market next year.
@@anarchyandempires54525500xt is bad example. vega 56 on samsung can be flashed to 64 and undervolted to match 5600xt EASILY with most being capable of 1080/ti ballpark for 70$
as for today (april 27, 2023) I finally managed to build 2 entire gaming pcs for around 700usd for both. It took me more than 5 years of work, and 7 of savings (I am from a very poor country and minimum salary is less than 180usd per month). My current specs are i5 8500 rtx 3060ti 16gb 2666mhz dual (2x8) p650m 80plus bronze and a ryzen 3 3100 gtx 1060 3gb 600w 80plus white 16gb 2666mhz (2x4 and 1x8). U might argue about bottleneck and other things to improve, and I already know that, but I can say I am definitely happy with what I have achieved, being the 200usd rtx 3060ti I bought (now is 160usd) the best buy I could possibly do, making my whole budget around 720usd for both computers. It was a long journey, and I had to make many things to achieve it, changing processors and reselling computers along the whole process of improving my own. It was incredible, and I enjoyed it, I encourage any pc enthusiast to buy on the used market such as this channel has offered to do in their videos. I don't really know how many people will read this, hopefully just the creator and some others, but I just want to say that I hope others can enjoy this process as much as I did. Thank you very much Iceberg for your videos, keep it going!
The GPU shortage didn't even START to end until early 2022, and it wasn't until later in the year where prices were down to somewhat reasonable prices. In November 2021 I bought a Gigabyte Aero 15 with a i7 9750H, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 1660ti, and a 4K OLED screen for $1500, it was great coming from a 4130T with integrated graphics, but even at the time it wasn't a powerhouse, and still cost a ton. Even today it cost $1200, but most of that is probably cause of the screen, but at the height of the shortage I thought is was a good deal cause that GPU would have been probably $400 alone. I wound up buying one in late summer 2022 for $200 to go with my 12100 build, which is the system I still use and is also the first one I've ever built from scratch. The laptop wound up being stolen from my apartment 6 months after I bought it, along with a bunch of pre 1965 silver coins, and that's when I decided to move out of that crackhouse.
I never really had a console killer because by the time I had enough money to get a decent gpu, the gpu market was taken over by miners and then chip shortage. My 580 should get a purple heart at this point
I upgraded to a RTX 2070 Super in 2019 and I am still using it. I upgraded from an Intel i7 6700 to an R7 3700x in 2020. It was a CPU I bought for my first ever PC build in 2016. But it's 2022 and the GPU prices are decreasing but they are still way over MSRP. But when a GPU that cost $500 is going for $1,200 prices aren't going to come down that quickly.
It'd be interesting to know the discount rate for console makers since they buy bulk GPUs. Supposedly the lastest consoles are sold at a loss, as the service fees and their store make up the difference and profit.
Same is true for Valve's Steam Deck. Handheld gaming PC more or less equivalent to a PS4 for $399. Other handheld PC competitors are $999 at the low end. Valve even said they are selling at a loss on the hardware and plan to make it up through Steam video game sales.
@@lizardinthelites I'm 100% sure that's the case for their lowest end model. The 512 GB version is probably close to cost. 512 GB SSDs and a better display don't cost that much, especially not the $300 difference to the low end model
More video essays please! I love watching video essays on cars and firearms and the history of pretty much anything including computers and tech. So i say yes to more! This video was excellent!
Fast forward to nearly 2023. There still isn't a viable console killer, Ethereum crashed in price, went to proof of stake so no longer possible to effectively mine on a GPU. Many miners so dogmatically convinced that it's worth keeping their hardware because something else will be a way to convert electricity into gold. Nvidia is starving the market of 2 year old "new" RTX cards keeping them ABOVE their MSRP, and with the trend in new GPU price to performance, we won't see a viable console killer this generation either. AMD GPU'S, even with big reductions on "New" cards and Ryzen 5000 CPU's still aren't viable as console killers. So even if you can grab a used 6600 for £180-£200, a new/used 5600 for £130-£150 factor in some cheap ddr4 a mobo, case, SSD and PSU, you will still be looking at minimum about £480 And still probably won't have the full gaming potential of a 9th gen console. Sure, you could go for a Ryzen 1000-2000 CPU, but they have surprisingly held their value and are difficult to get cheaper than the better and more recent R5 5600. Now, 2 years into this console generation we are looking at a refresh coming soon. Where we could be seeing greater performance. Where will the console killer stand then? It's definitely possible to upgrade your way to console performance with a GPU; but you will more than likely be paying 50-75% of the price of a console to get their. Sure, PC has more functionality, but it lacks the easy nature of a console. Consoles are very "living room TV" friendly, meaning, they won't be dying anytime soon. Is the console killer dead? Or will the PC marketplace start having to reflect the console Price/performance as the economy dips into another recession? Gamers on a budget have no better option than a console it seems, and although lacking in total functionality, the simplicity of a console, makes it much easy to sit down Infront of at the end of a long day.
A year later and not much has changed. You could get a series s brand new for £190 recently and you'd have to spend probably £400 on the used market to match it's performance.
at least here in the states you can match (with the used market) the price and performance (minus raytracing but who really uses raytracing) of the PS5, the rx 5700xt is going for $150 for the series S, no, Microsoft has to be taking a MAJOR loss on that, you can't even come close
It frustrates me so much how regular people constantly fail to consider long term costs in everything they consume. What about online subscriptions, more expensive accessories and games, lack of access to piracy and more general control over your device, etc?
This Video is so good i watch it every now and then. These Essay Style Videos are great but i think really tedious to make and clickwise not that appealing sadly. Keep up the good work.
Yeah. Nvidia 4000 series has launched. Crypto bubble already burst and GPUs are still wildly expensive. A "console killer" pc is still no more possible now than it was when this video came up.
Good video. I will have to say that one thing I hate is when those "Console Killer" pc builds try to beat the price of the console but then don't start following up with what the PC can be if you took the XBL or PS+ cost and put that into the PC over time
Potato masher guy got so triggered when I called him out. He had to constantly upgrade it and it still got trashed by the PS4. He tried a "Pro" version and that got trashed too. He had every excuse in the book but in the end Console reigned supreme. For historical context 2005 Xbox 360 runs 2015 Rise of the Tomb raider very well with good graphics/performance but a 2005 Pc will NEVER even boot the game.
almost 2 years later and you're starting to see gpus around their msrp. Still not enough to be considered a console killer(specially with how cheap you can get a series S), but depending on AMD this gen, who knows. Otherwise I think we may have to wait for RTX 5000 / RX 8000 to come.
Love the detailed analysis, keep up the good work. Here is my solution for a wicked console killer though , let me know what you think. I7 8700k clocked up to 5.0ghz, GTX 1080ti (has peformance that closley mirrors a RTX 2080 and a RTX 3060) and then stuff all the other parts along with it, should be about 1030USD. (I'm pricing the stuff here, according to the stuff you can find in South Africa). Would be cool if you ever tried a build like that though
I love video essays. I love pc builds and console killer builds. Where have you been all my life? Anyway, I love your videos, consider yourself subscribed!
2014-2019 had to be the best years being a pc builder.prices where fine, parts were abundant. Still remember building my first gaming machine out of an old optiplex, upgrading the cpu and then putting a r9 270 in it.
As someone who thought the 8th gen consoles were trash in most respects, the value the 9th gen machines offer is astounding. It's a shame that they too are suffering from shortages and scalpers, but as you said console market's prospects for normalcy look far better than that of GPU's. I'm still sticking to my PC, as it's my preferred platform for a number of reasons, and I already had a great rig prior to the CCP Virus. I even managed to get an Ampere GPU at MSRP, but even if I hadn't I would've rode out this nightmare with my old GTX 1080 just fine. If I had any friends looking to get into gaming right now though, I'd point them to a PS5 or XBSX, or a prebuilt if they were absolutely insistent on going with a PC.
PC ports are often so bad these days, regarding stutter or crashes until later patches, that I wonder if it is even worth it anymore. Got a pretty high end system (5800X3D / RTX 3080) but am mostly using my Xbox Series X and things are more enjoyable on that Xbox thing. Got a nice 4k screen, accepted 60hz on Xbox and don't care much about going back to having pc as a main system. Pc buyers remorse? Yes, unfortunately, yes. Always used to be a pc gamer first but idk anymore.
I have this same deal with my series x. The major problem is that my entire backlog is on the system, and with Gamepass, I can get good games. I won a pc with a 2600 and 1070ti which is still useful. But I also don't play new games. The next game I'm excited for is a Gears, Halo, or Mass effect. Something like that would get me to do a massive upgrade I'm hoping for, like the 7800x3d and 7900xtx. But until one of those games release...I'm not really interested in a PCMR experience. I just wanna experience the game...and I can do that on a console that already has 300+ owned games.
@clipzy5032 I want to go more PC as as games show up on PC Xbox app where I can continue my Achievement grind, I'll likely move more to PC. My upgrade is to get a future proof PC that will last me around 5 years. Looking at Arma 3, Reforger, and 4 when it comes out.
@@austinfowler2707 gl future proofing atm i had a system with 2020+ parts and its allready and 1080 med settings in most new games (rx 6700 and Radeon 5600x)
Personally I've seen the console vs Pc war die because console exclusives are found and ported to PC now. Nearly every popular twitch streamer, content creator is on PC. The console became more a PC and a PC a console with Xbox being integrated right into windows and with the Steam deck showing the other way.
Make a follow up video mate, the time has come we caught up already, The RTX 2080 cloud be found regularly for less than $220, I just bought mine a week ago for $198, my total build costed me $650 but that because I built slim SFF build (11.5 L) small parts are always more expensive for some reason
Well I actually can say that the era of console killers may be returning. I checked the used markets and a used PS5 disc edition costs 500 euros here. While for 514 euros I was able to configure a system with: Ryzen 7 3700x (100 euros combo with an Asus B450 Prime MB) RX 6700xt Powercolor Hellhound (200 euros) 16gb 3200mhz ddr4 G Skill Ripjaw (35 euros someone was selling new old stock) 1tb Adata Legned 710 SSD (49 euros brand new, alright far from PS5 SSD) Deepcool PK650D PSU (65 euros brand new) Antec P182 case (20 euros plus 5 euros for a new fan) A Blu Ray Burner (40 euros, because without that I would be comparing this to a used digital edition)
I'm posting from a year in the future and while we didn't get a "golden age" of cheap parts, there are things like used 3080's for $500 so it's not all bad now.
it still not really possible to match A Ps5's smooth experience even with the latest and the greatest... It is just not possible without doubling the bandwith along with minimizing the latency between the CPU/GPU/Memory,the latter being the "impossible" part unless you know how to tape them all together. And there is "uncompressing chip" that boost streaming of assets 3x times more faster than a top of line PC hardware...
Look, just admit it there’s no possible way to ever be a consoles price 500 bucks to get a next generation device that has all types of games Plus, you can get around 1500 with a $15 subscription, beat that PC
The fun part is that consoles actually killed themselves and are nothing but PCs kept alive by even being sold at a loss. Yet there will always be a demand for people for which an actual PC is to complicated. The console k*ller PC was however doomed from the start. As it still was to complicated for console folks aside anything else. That said, you by a console then you agree with being sold the lesser experience in any game and unlike PCs it will never change from there on.
I write code for a living and I’m attracted to consoles. A PC is not too complicated for me but for me, gaming time is premium. That and I cannot be bothered to deal with Windows 11 and it’s garbage, more than I have to at my work. I don’t want to come home from work after sitting in front of my PC for 8 hours, only to sit in front of my PC again. This is why consoles are great for me. Couch gaming with access to games instantly. Also I like physical ownership of my games, something which is dead on PC. Most of my games on my PlayStation 5 are on discs.
One thing a lot of people forget to mention is while YES the consoles are powerful with "basically a 3700x and basiclly a 6700xt" They run on an APU. The CPU side of that APU might have 8 cores and run at 3.7ghz but it only has what? 3MB of cache? Somewhere around that number and Maybe a 15-20w TDP. 3700x has the same cores and slightly higher speeds but it has tripple the cash and can run with more power going to it for longer. And the Gpu may have similar cores and speeds but it has tripple the memory and its not shared RAM its dedicated The specs make it look close to a 3700x but theres a lot of forgotten factors like way less cache. Way lower tdp. It will thermal throttle. It has 16gb of RAM and 2 or maybe more GB of that is shared with the built in GPU which again takes away the resources of the CPU. A 3700x 6700XT cpu gpu combo will eat a ps5 and xbox s alive. So will any modern system. My two cents.
As long as Nvidia is focused on RTX and DLSS we are screwed. They low spec machines holding the whole industry back. The problem with the console is that its no longer a console, its using pc components, it has pc features, you can install harddisk like a pc, but they are not a pc. Computer games have become so low quality its no longer worthwhile, no developer is going to make something that doesn't run on a console.
i actually recently built a console killer (sort of) core i5 7400 from a goodwill desktop, ex crypto mining h110mc, and a gtx 980 for under and a goodwill sealed power supply all for under 250 dollars it kills a switch and a series s but not the series x or ps5
Looking at today, it seems that other than the first year of the new console launch (as well as shitty GPU market we're having now), console-killing PCs will always make a come back as Moore's Law is still maintained, and that no company can quickly up-generation their consoles like those for PC parts.
What a joke, most people who actually look at the current gen console fidelity knows that the games are running in low and have worse ray tracing... you also don't need a powerful PC to get console level performance at 1080p/1440p which is all you need considering the PS5 can't run most modern AAA games at 4K with a consistent frame rate. The best bit you did is trying to push the idea that the 8th gen consoles had magical performance when the reality is that they were obsolete on launch (which is why they got so many reiterations)...
Console killers never popped up until a few years after the release of a console, whining that there werent console killers less than a fucking YEAR after the release of the ps5 and SX is just dumb, here we are now 3 years later and you can build a ps5 equivalent pc NEW for admittedly 130 more than a ps5 BUT through steam sales and No online memberships you can quickly make that back, Plus if you go used you can and will match the ps5
Even if one has to start from absolute 0 either chosing a console or a PC (completely or partially new), a PC still can do more (in general tasks and in games from the past) and WILL last longer than consoles; furthermore upgrades to a computer don't need to replace the entire thing, and good luck if you want to add more RAM or change the CPU on a console instead. Right now, as a person on the poorer side of the economy, I confidently and shamelessly say that IF your ONLY goal is to game at 1080/1440p 60FPS, then an Xbox Serie S is the best and only console that you should even take into consideration. If you want to pay more to get a Serie X or a No Games 5, then you should consider paying what WOULD BE PAID FOR ONLINE ON CONSOLE immediately for PC (3 years of online is €180), getting €700 togheter, or even more, and just get a good computer now. "But le graphics!" someone may say, and once again, IF you only care about the three games that came out of these new consoles' graphics, then get a Serie S, if you instead plan to do more (as said above) then get a decent CPU, compromise on graphics and wait for a better upgrade in the future. To frivolously spend money is the privilege of the rich and the mistake of the spoiled.
Hi there, 2 year old video in my feed for no good reason. Turns out the "console killers" went away because in 2021 you had to sell a kidney to get a GPU so never mind building a "console killer" PC for 600ish dollars, not happening. But you're a ghost now, so I guess you can never learn.
I was a playstation fan right up to ps4. But my wireless quest 2 Vr headset and 6900xt and 8 core I7 11700f 32gb ddr 4 ram with 4 terabyte storage will crush your PS5 easily. And it will take several years before it becomes 'obsolete ' Even seven yr old graphics cards will run modern titles at 1080p. Not only that but psvr isnt backwards compatible with older titles like pcvr. It doesnt have built in games to download direct, isnt wireless and doesnt have a fraction of what pcvr has on steam or occulus store! And also cd keys. And the games cost a lot less.
Considering consoles sell at a loss and only make money from players paying for online services, there will never be a true consile killer pc because consoles could literally be given away for free ,sony and Microsoft would just charge more for online
Consoles made sense back in the day but now with how pc's are powerful and versatile it's just better Don't even get me starded on proprietary hardware
Consoles make perfect sense for casual gamers, or kids. Pc is great, I love it, but it's not for everyone. Even though it can potentially beat the current gen consoles. Just not price wise.
@redslate that's very true. Consoles starting to support mouse and keyboard too. I hope gyro aim becomes more common as cross-platform becomes the norm. Give both platforms viable aiming inputs, and get rid of aim assist.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 PC for gaming is making less and less sense as hardware prices inflate, & 'certain' companies fix prices way beyond what it should reasonably be. Hell, a build to match a PS5 would be 600-800USD now. If you want a PC mainly for gaming, I think it's better to save the buck for a console. If you want it for other things too, sure it's maybe worth the spend.
@@EthernetDasCoisas I still think there's more to pc than raw performance, but I agree for AAA gaming/visuals. You can't beat the bang for buck with consoles.
Yet still, there is no pirate bay on consoles, will happily take worse performance and a bit lower graphic settings because why not? I support the people who deserve it, and for EA, i say nah
Yes, please do more video essays. I love your normal video format, and don't want to see that go away, but this was really well researched & presented, as well as informative.
Thanks! I’m hoping for a good response to this, I have a handful of ideas that might be worth building an essay out of. This one has taken about five months from script to publication, so don’t expect them to be a regular occurrence!
@@IcebergTech do more please
Fighting the series s is especially hard .
Yeah, that's a fight that can't be won on even grounds
Hello there calling you guys from the end of 2023 Yeah we still can't kill that little bastard It's a goddamn honey badger!!!!
Seriously the closest piece of silicon you can get to its graphics processor on a budget is the RX 5500 XT which you can sometimes SOMEtimes get for about a $150 when it's on sale or when you buy it used.
That's the graphics card alone That's not even taking it to consideration the CPU which you need an ryzen 7 2700x which will run you a cool $200 on sale new or around 120 used.
Yeah for those keeping notes brand new and on sale that's already over $350.... Yeah..... Not a good start considering we haven't even taken into account the RAM the SSD the power supply or really anything else, 550, Right now if you want it brand new and only if you find yourself with some massive discounts you are looking at around $550 to match the series s again that is with some mega hefty discounts.
Or if you somehow manage to find yourself with some ultra heavy discounts because you were lucky that particular day on a blue moon or because you got yourself some used parts that are ridiculously low price you are still looking at $450.
But you know that's fine, considering the rate of depreciation on the parts by next year you should be able to build a series s killer for around $300 with some good discounts and only a few used parts...... Except the Series s will drop price to $250 next year because there's going to be a new series s with better components and a 1 terabyte hard drive releasing next year or the year after that for $300.
On better news however we might be able to beat the series X.... With used parts on discount... Not necessarily the leaked Series X all digital or PS5 digital..... I mean used parts and heavy discounts will probably get you to 450.... But those things are going to be sold for 400 bucks...... Or you know about 350 used for the PS5 considering the leaks for the Xbox say it's going to come with a 1-year subscription to game pass I don't think we're going to see any used Xbox sx digitals on the market next year.
@@anarchyandempires54525500xt is bad example. vega 56 on samsung can be flashed to 64 and undervolted to match 5600xt EASILY with most being capable of 1080/ti ballpark for 70$
also ryzen 1200 is just barely enough and with a320 and cheapest storage and ram you'll pay no more than 250
as for today (april 27, 2023) I finally managed to build 2 entire gaming pcs for around 700usd for both. It took me more than 5 years of work, and 7 of savings (I am from a very poor country and minimum salary is less than 180usd per month). My current specs are i5 8500 rtx 3060ti 16gb 2666mhz dual (2x8) p650m 80plus bronze and a ryzen 3 3100 gtx 1060 3gb 600w 80plus white 16gb 2666mhz (2x4 and 1x8). U might argue about bottleneck and other things to improve, and I already know that, but I can say I am definitely happy with what I have achieved, being the 200usd rtx 3060ti I bought (now is 160usd) the best buy I could possibly do, making my whole budget around 720usd for both computers. It was a long journey, and I had to make many things to achieve it, changing processors and reselling computers along the whole process of improving my own. It was incredible, and I enjoyed it, I encourage any pc enthusiast to buy on the used market such as this channel has offered to do in their videos.
I don't really know how many people will read this, hopefully just the creator and some others, but I just want to say that I hope others can enjoy this process as much as I did. Thank you very much Iceberg for your videos, keep it going!
The GPU shortage didn't even START to end until early 2022, and it wasn't until later in the year where prices were down to somewhat reasonable prices. In November 2021 I bought a Gigabyte Aero 15 with a i7 9750H, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 1660ti, and a 4K OLED screen for $1500, it was great coming from a 4130T with integrated graphics, but even at the time it wasn't a powerhouse, and still cost a ton. Even today it cost $1200, but most of that is probably cause of the screen, but at the height of the shortage I thought is was a good deal cause that GPU would have been probably $400 alone. I wound up buying one in late summer 2022 for $200 to go with my 12100 build, which is the system I still use and is also the first one I've ever built from scratch. The laptop wound up being stolen from my apartment 6 months after I bought it, along with a bunch of pre 1965 silver coins, and that's when I decided to move out of that crackhouse.
I never really had a console killer because by the time I had enough money to get a decent gpu, the gpu market was taken over by miners and then chip shortage. My 580 should get a purple heart at this point
stupid question but: rx 580 or gtx 580?
@@Bukki13 rx 💞🥰
I upgraded to a RTX 2070 Super in 2019 and I am still using it. I upgraded from an Intel i7 6700 to an R7 3700x in 2020. It was a CPU I bought for my first ever PC build in 2016. But it's 2022 and the GPU prices are decreasing but they are still way over MSRP. But when a GPU that cost $500 is going for $1,200 prices aren't going to come down that quickly.
It'd be interesting to know the discount rate for console makers since they buy bulk GPUs. Supposedly the lastest consoles are sold at a loss, as the service fees and their store make up the difference and profit.
Same is true for Valve's Steam Deck. Handheld gaming PC more or less equivalent to a PS4 for $399. Other handheld PC competitors are $999 at the low end. Valve even said they are selling at a loss on the hardware and plan to make it up through Steam video game sales.
@@lizardinthelites I'm 100% sure that's the case for their lowest end model. The 512 GB version is probably close to cost. 512 GB SSDs and a better display don't cost that much, especially not the $300 difference to the low end model
More video essays please! I love watching video essays on cars and firearms and the history of pretty much anything including computers and tech. So i say yes to more! This video was excellent!
Fast forward to nearly 2023. There still isn't a viable console killer, Ethereum crashed in price, went to proof of stake so no longer possible to effectively mine on a GPU. Many miners so dogmatically convinced that it's worth keeping their hardware because something else will be a way to convert electricity into gold. Nvidia is starving the market of 2 year old "new" RTX cards keeping them ABOVE their MSRP, and with the trend in new GPU price to performance, we won't see a viable console killer this generation either.
AMD GPU'S, even with big reductions on "New" cards and Ryzen 5000 CPU's still aren't viable as console killers. So even if you can grab a used 6600 for £180-£200, a new/used 5600 for £130-£150 factor in some cheap ddr4 a mobo, case, SSD and PSU, you will still be looking at minimum about £480 And still probably won't have the full gaming potential of a 9th gen console. Sure, you could go for a Ryzen 1000-2000 CPU, but they have surprisingly held their value and are difficult to get cheaper than the better and more recent R5 5600. Now, 2 years into this console generation we are looking at a refresh coming soon. Where we could be seeing greater performance. Where will the console killer stand then?
It's definitely possible to upgrade your way to console performance with a GPU; but you will more than likely be paying 50-75% of the price of a console to get their.
Sure, PC has more functionality, but it lacks the easy nature of a console. Consoles are very "living room TV" friendly, meaning, they won't be dying anytime soon.
Is the console killer dead? Or will the PC marketplace start having to reflect the console Price/performance as the economy dips into another recession? Gamers on a budget have no better option than a console it seems, and although lacking in total functionality, the simplicity of a console, makes it much easy to sit down Infront of at the end of a long day.
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A year later and not much has changed. You could get a series s brand new for £190 recently and you'd have to spend probably £400 on the used market to match it's performance.
£400 seems like a low-ball, but maybe I'm overestimating the series s.
at least here in the states you can match (with the used market) the price and performance (minus raytracing but who really uses raytracing) of the PS5, the rx 5700xt is going for $150
for the series S, no, Microsoft has to be taking a MAJOR loss on that, you can't even come close
It frustrates me so much how regular people constantly fail to consider long term costs in everything they consume. What about online subscriptions, more expensive accessories and games, lack of access to piracy and more general control over your device, etc?
It's like cheap printers with expensive ink. Money's in game pass
@@HelloTher1313 literally
Console wins in price
PC wins in everything else
Apart from the first two minutes, this is one of my favorite tech-vids on youtube.
"will need to wait for rtx 4000 for prices to drop." comedy.
This Video is so good i watch it every now and then. These Essay Style Videos are great but i think really tedious to make and clickwise not that appealing sadly. Keep up the good work.
Yeah. Nvidia 4000 series has launched. Crypto bubble already burst and GPUs are still wildly expensive. A "console killer" pc is still no more possible now than it was when this video came up.
not so sure about that. I'm seeing used 5700XTs on ebay for
It all depends on what you want I guess
Good video. I will have to say that one thing I hate is when those "Console Killer" pc builds try to beat the price of the console but then don't start following up with what the PC can be if you took the XBL or PS+ cost and put that into the PC over time
Wow, crazy how good this video is. Should have way more views than it does.
How did I not see this video, it’s so amazing your videos have amazing quality I can’t wait for you to hit 100k
Oh man, Bryan IS the man.
He's been quiet lately...
That intro cracked me up so much I spilled my coffee. 🤣
Man, despite being one of your earlier videos, this is pure gold! Fantastic work!
Potato masher guy got so triggered when I called him out. He had to constantly upgrade it and it still got trashed by the PS4. He tried a "Pro" version and that got trashed too. He had every excuse in the book but in the end Console reigned supreme.
For historical context 2005 Xbox 360 runs 2015 Rise of the Tomb raider very well with good graphics/performance but a 2005 Pc will NEVER even boot the game.
almost 2 years later and you're starting to see gpus around their msrp. Still not enough to be considered a console killer(specially with how cheap you can get a series S), but depending on AMD this gen, who knows. Otherwise I think we may have to wait for RTX 5000 / RX 8000 to come.
you'll see xbox series at $500 and PS5 at $400 in some resellers. GPU prices is still whack in my region
Love the detailed analysis, keep up the good work. Here is my solution for a wicked console killer though , let me know what you think. I7 8700k clocked up to 5.0ghz, GTX 1080ti (has peformance that closley mirrors a RTX 2080 and a RTX 3060) and then stuff all the other parts along with it, should be about 1030USD. (I'm pricing the stuff here, according to the stuff you can find in South Africa). Would be cool if you ever tried a build like that though
I think the craziest is that not even the Series S, being the weakest one can be killed by a PC because of its sheer cheapness
superb editing
I love video essays.
I love pc builds and console killer builds.
Where have you been all my life?
Anyway, I love your videos, consider yourself subscribed!
2014-2019 had to be the best years being a pc builder.prices where fine, parts were abundant. Still remember building my first gaming machine out of an old optiplex, upgrading the cpu and then putting a r9 270 in it.
This was fantastic! More essays please.
As someone who thought the 8th gen consoles were trash in most respects, the value the 9th gen machines offer is astounding. It's a shame that they too are suffering from shortages and scalpers, but as you said console market's prospects for normalcy look far better than that of GPU's.
I'm still sticking to my PC, as it's my preferred platform for a number of reasons, and I already had a great rig prior to the CCP Virus. I even managed to get an Ampere GPU at MSRP, but even if I hadn't I would've rode out this nightmare with my old GTX 1080 just fine. If I had any friends looking to get into gaming right now though, I'd point them to a PS5 or XBSX, or a prebuilt if they were absolutely insistent on going with a PC.
Honestly, even now you can't beat the consoles. You just need to accept you're spending more on a PC that is slightly better.
PC ports are often so bad these days, regarding stutter or crashes until later patches, that I wonder if it is even worth it anymore.
Got a pretty high end system (5800X3D / RTX 3080) but am mostly using my Xbox Series X and things are more enjoyable on that Xbox thing.
Got a nice 4k screen, accepted 60hz on Xbox and don't care much about going back to having pc as a main system.
Pc buyers remorse? Yes, unfortunately, yes. Always used to be a pc gamer first but idk anymore.
There is still the indie scene that is mostly exclusive to the PC and mobile ecosystem. A lot of 3A games just aren't worth it
Sounds like you lying
Not gonna lie lmao
1 year later and this is only getting worse 1700$ USD for a GPU! Literally the price of 3 PS5's and 300$ for games..... And that's just the GPU 😢
why didn't i wach this earlier its sooooooo cool, love the vid
Zen 2 is now aging
Zen 3 offer a 35 40% increase perf to gen 2
Zen 4 offer a 35 40% increase perf to gen 3
The same to gpu
This essay was great to watch.
I'm technically a pcmr gamer yet still play on my switch and ps5 half the time 😂
I have this same deal with my series x.
The major problem is that my entire backlog is on the system, and with Gamepass, I can get good games.
I won a pc with a 2600 and 1070ti which is still useful.
But I also don't play new games.
The next game I'm excited for is a Gears, Halo, or Mass effect.
Something like that would get me to do a massive upgrade I'm hoping for, like the 7800x3d and 7900xtx. But until one of those games release...I'm not really interested in a PCMR experience.
I just wanna experience the game...and I can do that on a console that already has 300+ owned games.
@@austinfowler2707 I've been playing more on my pc recently i kinda go back and forth lol
@clipzy5032 I want to go more PC as as games show up on PC Xbox app where I can continue my Achievement grind, I'll likely move more to PC.
My upgrade is to get a future proof PC that will last me around 5 years. Looking at Arma 3, Reforger, and 4 when it comes out.
@@austinfowler2707 gl future proofing atm i had a system with 2020+ parts and its allready and 1080 med settings in most new games (rx 6700 and Radeon 5600x)
two years later, gpu prices dropped dramatically, and....still aint doing it
You deserve more views. Keep up the good work
i absolutely loved that intro.
What happened? Nvidia and AMD got too greedy and priced a lot of people out of PC Gaming...
AMD is probably making more money selling APUs to Sony and MS than they are selling gaming GPUs.
We need a 2024 Q1 follow up Iceberg
I missed this one but honestly I don’t think I’ve seen a better video intro 🤣🤣🤣
Personally I've seen the console vs Pc war die because console exclusives are found and ported to PC now. Nearly every popular twitch streamer, content creator is on PC. The console became more a PC and a PC a console with Xbox being integrated right into windows and with the Steam deck showing the other way.
Damn man I recently found your channel and I’m loving it!
Man, how did I miss this when it came out
amazing video mate
I just saw this. This was very well done! And yeah, like you, I don't want to live in a world where console gamers are right. LOL
3 years later, they are back even harder. It's almost like it's a cycle...
Ooo a 28min video, gonna be good
Hope so!
I have a PS5 and really want to buy a PC to get a better experience but it looks as if I have to pay £1500+ to beat it 😞
Got a "PS5 equivalent" build video lined up for the end of the month. I believe it cost me just under £1300.
I ended up buying a pre-built 3070 from Currys and it is awesome, definitely beats PS5 performance
@@ChickenPopGames does curry’s deliver in the USA?
@@SonGoku-hi8ow don’t know but PC Specialist may do as they built it
@@ChickenPopGames ok thank u
This, the intro reminds me of DJ Peach Cobbler so much
20:38 That didn't age well...
Those takes on graphic card prices dropping aged very poorly, r.i.p.
Your videos remind me of greenhamgaming
That's very kind, though I don't think I have his dramatic flare!
These days so many years later a Ryzen 5 3600 + RX 6600 XT will do the job if you find them at the right price.
I love this stuff!
Me too
I'm like 2 seconds in. So I'm saying scalpers are the problem.
it is impossible for any of these machines to be classified a console killer no matter the price PC has a huge issue and is plagued with cheaters
Damn what an intro
What an intro!
3060 match the consoles Pshaw. It's closer to the Ti especially in first party games.
What game is it at 6:15?
Still haven't got proper direct storage yet... Maybe 2 games 🤣
Make a follow up video mate, the time has come we caught up already, The RTX 2080 cloud be found regularly for less than $220, I just bought mine a week ago for $198, my total build costed me $650 but that because I built slim SFF build (11.5 L) small parts are always more expensive for some reason
Well I actually can say that the era of console killers may be returning. I checked the used markets and a used PS5 disc edition costs 500 euros here. While for 514 euros I was able to configure a system with:
Ryzen 7 3700x (100 euros combo with an Asus B450 Prime MB)
RX 6700xt Powercolor Hellhound (200 euros)
16gb 3200mhz ddr4 G Skill Ripjaw (35 euros someone was selling new old stock)
1tb Adata Legned 710 SSD (49 euros brand new, alright far from PS5 SSD)
Deepcool PK650D PSU (65 euros brand new)
Antec P182 case (20 euros plus 5 euros for a new fan)
A Blu Ray Burner (40 euros, because without that I would be comparing this to a used digital edition)
and now in 2024 we Have ai processing and console killers are still unatainable
My PC is a console killer, but it's killing PS8's and Xbox Series Y's
I'm posting from a year in the future and while we didn't get a "golden age" of cheap parts, there are things like used 3080's for $500 so it's not all bad now.
I quite enjoyed this video
it still not really possible to match A Ps5's smooth experience even with the latest and the greatest... It is just not possible without doubling the bandwith along with minimizing the latency between the CPU/GPU/Memory,the latter being the "impossible" part unless you know how to tape them all together. And there is "uncompressing chip" that boost streaming of assets 3x times more faster than a top of line PC hardware...
You might speak fr yourself in this case.
Look, just admit it there’s no possible way to ever be a consoles price 500 bucks to get a next generation device that has all types of games Plus, you can get around 1500 with a $15 subscription, beat that PC
Aged like fine wine now that that Xbox series x is 350$
I love your content.
10:55 game name?
Bioshock Infinite
The fun part is that consoles actually killed themselves and are nothing but PCs kept alive by even being sold at a loss.
Yet there will always be a demand for people for which an actual PC is to complicated.
The console k*ller PC was however doomed from the start. As it still was to complicated for console folks aside anything else.
That said, you by a console then you agree with being sold the lesser experience in any game and unlike PCs it will never change from there on.
I write code for a living and I’m attracted to consoles. A PC is not too complicated for me but for me, gaming time is premium. That and I cannot be bothered to deal with Windows 11 and it’s garbage, more than I have to at my work. I don’t want to come home from work after sitting in front of my PC for 8 hours, only to sit in front of my PC again.
This is why consoles are great for me. Couch gaming with access to games instantly. Also I like physical ownership of my games, something which is dead on PC. Most of my games on my PlayStation 5 are on discs.
We will finally have hope when Nvidia releases a sub 200$ rtx 4050 that matches the 3060
Lol not gonna happen as the new 4060 even loses to the 3060 sometimes. 50 series are always just trash period
@@zethloveless7238 one can only dream where nvidia is not the greedy bastards that they are😂
this video need more views
I spend more on hardware but I win it back by buying games retardedly cheap and not paying for multiplayer access.
Still just waiting on that crash...lol
Watching in 2023. You can kill a console now
One thing a lot of people forget to mention is while YES the consoles are powerful with "basically a 3700x and basiclly a 6700xt"
They run on an APU. The CPU side of that APU might have 8 cores and run at 3.7ghz but it only has what? 3MB of cache? Somewhere around that number and Maybe a 15-20w TDP.
3700x has the same cores and slightly higher speeds but it has tripple the cash and can run with more power going to it for longer. And the Gpu may have similar cores and speeds but it has tripple the memory and its not shared RAM its dedicated
The specs make it look close to a 3700x but theres a lot of forgotten factors like way less cache. Way lower tdp. It will thermal throttle. It has 16gb of RAM and 2 or maybe more GB of that is shared with the built in GPU which again takes away the resources of the CPU.
A 3700x 6700XT cpu gpu combo will eat a ps5 and xbox s alive. So will any modern system.
My two cents.
Not to give too much away just yet, but you might find this Friday's upcoming video interesting
As long as Nvidia is focused on RTX and DLSS we are screwed. They low spec machines holding the whole industry back. The problem with the console is that its no longer a console, its using pc components, it has pc features, you can install harddisk like a pc, but they are not a pc. Computer games have become so low quality its no longer worthwhile, no developer is going to make something that doesn't run on a console.
300€ for a 1650 happened
i actually recently built a console killer (sort of) core i5 7400 from a goodwill desktop, ex crypto mining h110mc, and a gtx 980 for under and a goodwill sealed power supply all for under 250 dollars it kills a switch and a series s but not the series x or ps5
Yeah still no change really
Looking at today, it seems that other than the first year of the new console launch (as well as shitty GPU market we're having now), console-killing PCs will always make a come back as Moore's Law is still maintained, and that no company can quickly up-generation their consoles like those for PC parts.
why does this have so few views jesus christ AND YES I THOUGHT YOU GAVE ME XBOXAHOY VIBES LMAO
Being the 5th viewer and being the first comment
What a joke, most people who actually look at the current gen console fidelity knows that the games are running in low and have worse ray tracing... you also don't need a powerful PC to get console level performance at 1080p/1440p which is all you need considering the PS5 can't run most modern AAA games at 4K with a consistent frame rate. The best bit you did is trying to push the idea that the 8th gen consoles had magical performance when the reality is that they were obsolete on launch (which is why they got so many reiterations)...
Ask I shall receive...
Console killers never popped up until a few years after the release of a console, whining that there werent console killers less than a fucking YEAR after the release of the ps5 and SX is just dumb, here we are now 3 years later and you can build a ps5 equivalent pc NEW for admittedly 130 more than a ps5 BUT through steam sales and No online memberships you can quickly make that back, Plus if you go used you can and will match the ps5
Bought a XFX rx 580 8gb OC Black on ebay for $60 a few weeks ago! Console killers are back!
Even if one has to start from absolute 0 either chosing a console or a PC (completely or partially new), a PC still can do more (in general tasks and in games from the past) and WILL last longer than consoles; furthermore upgrades to a computer don't need to replace the entire thing, and good luck if you want to add more RAM or change the CPU on a console instead.
Right now, as a person on the poorer side of the economy, I confidently and shamelessly say that IF your ONLY goal is to game at 1080/1440p 60FPS, then an Xbox Serie S is the best and only console that you should even take into consideration. If you want to pay more to get a Serie X or a No Games 5, then you should consider paying what WOULD BE PAID FOR ONLINE ON CONSOLE immediately for PC (3 years of online is €180), getting €700 togheter, or even more, and just get a good computer now.
"But le graphics!" someone may say, and once again, IF you only care about the three games that came out of these new consoles' graphics, then get a Serie S, if you instead plan to do more (as said above) then get a decent CPU, compromise on graphics and wait for a better upgrade in the future.
To frivolously spend money is the privilege of the rich and the mistake of the spoiled.
Hi there, 2 year old video in my feed for no good reason. Turns out the "console killers" went away because in 2021 you had to sell a kidney to get a GPU so never mind building a "console killer" PC for 600ish dollars, not happening. But you're a ghost now, so I guess you can never learn.
I was a playstation fan right up to ps4. But my wireless quest 2 Vr headset and 6900xt and 8 core I7 11700f 32gb ddr 4 ram with 4 terabyte storage will crush your PS5 easily.
And it will take several years before it becomes 'obsolete ' Even seven yr old graphics cards will run modern titles at 1080p.
Not only that but psvr isnt backwards compatible with older titles like pcvr.
It doesnt have built in games to download direct, isnt wireless and doesnt have a fraction of what pcvr has on steam or occulus store!
And also cd keys. And the games cost a lot less.
Considering consoles sell at a loss and only make money from players paying for online services, there will never be a true consile killer pc because consoles could literally be given away for free ,sony and Microsoft would just charge more for online
'console killer' PCs start to gain popilarity somewhere after the middle of consoles' life since PC hardware is getting cheaper and consoles aren't
Consoles made sense back in the day but now with how pc's are powerful and versatile it's just better
Don't even get me starded on proprietary hardware
Consoles make perfect sense for casual gamers, or kids. Pc is great, I love it, but it's not for everyone. Even though it can potentially beat the current gen consoles. Just not price wise.
You could make the argument that consoles are blurring the lines that define a "PC."
@redslate that's very true. Consoles starting to support mouse and keyboard too. I hope gyro aim becomes more common as cross-platform becomes the norm. Give both platforms viable aiming inputs, and get rid of aim assist.
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 PC for gaming is making less and less sense as hardware prices inflate, & 'certain' companies fix prices way beyond what it should reasonably be. Hell, a build to match a PS5 would be 600-800USD now. If you want a PC mainly for gaming, I think it's better to save the buck for a console. If you want it for other things too, sure it's maybe worth the spend.
@@EthernetDasCoisas I still think there's more to pc than raw performance, but I agree for AAA gaming/visuals. You can't beat the bang for buck with consoles.
2 years later and the crypto crash has changed this. Console killers are back.
Yet still, there is no pirate bay on consoles, will happily take worse performance and a bit lower graphic settings because why not? I support the people who deserve it, and for EA, i say nah