@@GermanConquistador08 Unfortunately peaceniks would rather bow down and let Russia run all over everybody's because its easier or they listened to the soviet nation anthem when they were 14, thought it was the coolest thing ever and never looked back, so willing to throw Ukraine under the bus but when a different nation invades them you better believe they will cry out "what did I do to deserve this?"
@@GermanConquistador08 I do think the terms are a little unrealistic, but people in the comments section are missing that Ukraine is willing to negotiate and seek terms. Russia is the power which wants total war.
@@GermanConquistador08 international law is bullshit America broke it every opportunity they can. Some delusional moral principle that hasn’t applied since the 1950s two seconds after it came into effect It’s not going to make Ukraine win.
@@NoName-oz3gj Ukraine is will run out of manpower and resources, there won't be a stalemate, at least not at current borders. Russia has enough to push at least to the borders of Donetsk oblast
Looking at the peace plan of both the countries, it is unlikely anyone would accept that, that the peace plan are so extreme end of either side, hence the war will continue.
@@Alien43Depends on what you mean by achievable. There's a chance for Russia to physically take the claimed territory, but little to none for Ukraine to accept and recognize the terms and claims.
I think Russia gave up on the "Denazification" peace term a while back, also I doubt that Ukraine's "demilitarized zone inside Russia" is a serious idea. Edit: Almost forgot to mention this but, a while back my mother came up with a rather unique alternative solution. All the disputed territories (the Crimean peninsula and those other four areas) become a single neutral state independent from both Ukraine/NATO/America and Russia.
Denazification is likely acomplished. Right sector is disbanded, Azov, Aidar, Donbass and Kraken are practically non-existent. Those units were SS, but now they are gone.
@@hesh9646 You are the only bot lol. The guy is absolutely correct. Ukraine were smoking pot when they made these conditions. Even they themselves know that they can`t get such a settlement.
@@XYZ_55 The reality is probably, yes. They`ve lost those territories in practice and all the people who don`t want to live under Russian rule have either moved to Ukraine proper or to Europe. Everything there is destroyed anyway so they have nothing to come back to and this war has dragged on long enough that they have settled in wherever their current home is. Also, the war has taken a huge toll in both lives and money and war fatigue is a real thing.
@@eganplaysMCYes, but at least Ukraine will still be receiving aid from them, and they get to maintain a large standing army instead of being demilitarized, so at least their sovereignty is intact.
I like that everyone literally doesn’t care that giving any territories to Russia is a violation of international law. Russia simply seized these territories by force and is now demanding their recognition. But yes, who cares about international law? It’s probably some kind of joke.
@@EtienneMorin-ot1hr yes but there’s no way they are gonna get 100% of their country back they should try and get as much as possible not impossible also Crimea ain’t even Ukrainian
It’s most likely going to be the stalemate either that or something similar to the winter war ending were yes Finland did give up territory, but most people thought it really won the war because it was able to survive
I don't think so, think about Texas independence from the USA, then the minority in the power start eradicating everything that was considered from the USA, especially the population, then have a civil war and try to join in a military alliance with Russia of China, allowing with that to put military forces, bases and nukes in that territory. What do you think the USA would do, did you think that it would stay and let what the Texas government wanted to do?
@@sadfrog15 the so-called "holodomor" famine was shared by Russians & Kazakhs, Ukrainians were not intentionally starved and were not the only ones starving. Low harvests combined with kulaks destroying food supply & machinery to protest collectivization, also bureaucratic corruption, led to a widespread famine. There never was another famine in the region after it, though regular famines had occurred every other decade for hundreds of years before it
There is also the possibility that one or the other government collapses during the war. This is not unlikely, as countries collapsing due to a war they're fighting has been rather commonplace in the 20th and 21st centuries
Not that common as people think of. Hussein remained in power in Iraq even after disasterous conflict with Iran and Gulf War, it needed direct American invasion to finally topple him; Gaddafi's Lybia waged seveal poorly managed war campaigns in 1970-1980s but kept the regime stable for 30 years until the Arab Spring. Just being stuck in the prolonged war doesn't automatically mean the country leadership will collapse.
Problem with reclaiming territory: Crimea is majority pro-Russian at this point and is too strategically important for Russia, particularly their navy. Donetsk and Luhansk are majority pro-Russian and would never accept returning to Ukraine. The fighting would be over a population that hates you. If Ukraine accepted withdrawal from Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, but ceded DPR, LPR and Crimea officially, it would be much more realistic. But Russia also would want to keep the land bridge to Crimea through the southern oblasts.
I don't know, the first Russian peace deal, except for the demilitarization of Ukraine, seems a bit more realistic, although the stalemate is also very possible.
The stalemate is just a small timeout for the next round. Unless one wins (Realistically only Russia) the whole thing will start all over again within a few years or months.
The issue is that the ''demilitarisation'' of Ukraine is Russia's main peace term. The entire goal of the special operation was to conquer Ukraine, whether as a puppet state or as being directly annexed into Russia. Second thing is that most of Ukraine's fortifications are located in the region Russia has declared ''annexed,'' so Ukraine will never give them up without a fight.
@@fotppd1475 You might as well go back in time and say the same thing about North and South Korea, India and Pakistan, Transnistria and Moldova, Russia and Georgia. But you would be wrong, wouldn't you?
@@tsumugikotobuki0131 The way Russians see it, (to put it in American terms) Imagine if Canada was supplied weapons by Russia, increasing their military budget, start cutting ties with the US and considering joining a military alliance with Russia. The US response would be 100% obvious. Demilitarization would hardly be enough for them.
@@fotppd1475 Ukraine never wanted to join NATO until Russia attacked them. They even elected a pro-Russian government and president in 2010, but were backstabbed in 2013/2014 when trying to join the EU, triggering the protests and revolution. The problem with your argument is that you assume Canadians and Ukrainians don't have a will of their own. In fact they both want to be a part of NATO, and nobody is forcing them to want this.
@@Tonyx.yt.Germany lost territories after starting the war and invading other countries together with Austria-Hungary. Ukraine never invaded anyone to "deserve" that, russia did. Ukraine is defending just like France in WWI. Your bot point is beyond laughable, try harder next time
@@lordfoxquaad1611 oh yeah suuuure, they defend themself rejecting deals in march 2022 because bojo lured them into the anglo american ethernal waged wars🤡
@@TileBitan it wasn't annexation, people vote to become part of Russia after Ukrainian coup in 2014. And first one only say about Crimea, LNR and DNR will remain part of Ukraine. It was Minsk agreement that Ukraine refuse. Next one was with 4 more regions. And if Russia offer next it will include even more regions to prevent Ukraine attack on Russian territory.
well I mean both sides seem to think that on a long enough time scale their victory is certain so it's not ridiculous of them to think they'll be able to get everything they want. It's really just a matter of which sides doubt in their war effort becomes too much.
Honestly stalemate or some variation of it is what’s most likely going to happen. The other one would be Russia gets its claimed territory and that’s it no you can’t join nato etc
That's if the war is manageable on the long run for the russian side. And to be fair, seeing inflation, interest rates, cost of war and taxes grow in Russia while the capacity to emit debts gets increasingly reduced, as well as their monetary reserves... The assumption that Russia can continue like this for 1, 2 or 3 more years is debatable.
@@Radbot776 Nop, I'm sad to tell you that, right now, interest rates, inflation or reserves are in much, much better shapes than Russia, and have had far lower pics than Russia's current one. We're not at 9% annual inflation, nor 19% interest rates. More importantly, there actually are some people ready to take western debt. Or ukrainian debt. Russia... Russia struggles. And russian banks increasingly can't afford to take this debt. Same with taxes btw, you have not seen income taxes growing by 14% year on year in the west. Or profit taxes by 25%. Russia needs to tax its population much more heavily. And will likely have to augment next year again.
@@marcbuisson2463от войны истощаются все, а не только Россия. Россия и Западные страны проигрывают от этой ситуации, Россия продает ресурсы Азиатским странам за дешево, а западные страны за дорого покупают ресурсы у Арабских и Азиатских стран (которые иногда могут быть куплены за дешево у России). Поэтому, единственные кто выигрывают от Русско-Украинской войны, это нейтральные страны.
@@marcbuisson2463 that’s on paper The reality is 60 % of Americans live paycheck to paycheck West europe is American vassal states there economy’s are good as long as America floods paper into them. The. They create improper statistics to keeps fools happy. In America the inflation goes a hair more and the country goes homeless
At least they want the land they always controlled and which belongs to them by all the international laws. Unlike some kremlin senile, laughably annexing the city of Zaporizhzhia he never captured nor controlled
@@marluxia8832 it is sad that people are defending their homeland from foreign invader? It is sad that russia is wasting hundreds of thousand of human lives for territorial greed.
I almost fully agree to this. My scenarios r: For the next 1-3 years: Stalemate: 65% chance Russian victory: 30% chance Ukrainian victory: 5% chance Next 3-5 years: Russian (total) victory: 75% chance Stalemate: 25% chance Ukrainian victory: 0% chance
I sincerely doubt this war will end favourably for Ukraine. They really need to be more realistic with their peace terms to have any room for peace negotiations.
Withdrawing from Kherson and Zaphorizia is entirely unrealistic. Russia isn't able to take those cities. Only the Ukrainian model is based on International law and fair justice. It's the one to be pursued.
@@GermanConquistador08 How is taking Kherson unrealistic when they literally took it 9 days into the war? March 1 2022 Kherson city was Russian. They just chose to leave it, because they were taking high casualties bringing supplies across the Antonivka Road Bridge (Their only logistical point for getting across the Dnipro river) and decided it was more worth it to let the Ukrainians take it back than hold it. This is also after paratroopers failed to secure Kyiv, and thus an early victory, leading to Russia turning all their focus on the south and east rather than the north and northeast, which is how we got to where the war is now, still entirely focused on the south and east.
@@GermanConquistador08Hey, what does the international law say about bombing a region that wants to join another country (Donbass) ? I think there might be a little quirk named « Self-determination » in the international law, that also happens (what a surprise !)to be the basis of the international law.
People in the comments aren’t getting what negotiation is. Yes, both peace terms aren’t fair and realistic but that’s the point. At first each side is saying everything it wants and ONLY AFTER they’ll hear each other and find a compromise. How else do you think peace talks are working?
What was it now ? I kinda forgot now. Wasn’t it like « Zelensky leaves and an internationally monitored referendum takes place in eastern ukraine » or something on the line ?
@@elgrandefleau7359 Essentially ukr remain neutral and guaranteed independence by G5 nations and russia but allowed a large standing army, crimea remains russian, condemning of far right groups, two breakaway oblasts decide their future either staying ukrainian with more autonomy, joining russia or staying independent. It was signed by both parties for a reason.
@@TommyTipexYou sure the first treaty allowed a large standing army? I heard in fact that Ukraine would still be forced to demilitarize, which is one of the major reasons why Ukraine ultimately decided against the peace plan
Well, Ukraine could have had it all if they kept their part of the Minsk agreements. The Ukrainians just had to grant some autonomy to Donetsk and Luhansk within Ukraine.
@@НевенаНиколова-к6ы Lol so in other words Ukraine should have just done as russia would want? All that was planned by russia. They would have claimed those territories without war.
They could not start the coup in 2014. They could acknowledge pro-russian faction in society and not strip 12M ukrainians from right on representative and right to be elected (and lost to them elections again) They could sent diplomats on Donbass, not murderers. As Poroshenko promised. They could stop shelling civilians after Minsk accords. As Zelenskiy promised. They could not attack Donetsk again 22.02.22. They could accept Istambul in May 2022 and at least hold Kherosn and Zaporojie. They made all wrong moves. All they want is escalation, to assume control by the power of the strong. And they successfully escalated to the point where their enemy is stronger.
@@НевенаНиколова-к6ы According to the Minsk agreements both Donetsk and Lugansk were supposed to remain parts of Ukraine. They never were to become "sovereign countries", let alone be annexed by Russia. Ukraine and Zelensky adhered to the Minsk 2 agreement where possible, but russia and the 'separatists' failed to meet their obligations. russia didn't withdraw its military forces, with over 30,000 personnel crossing into Ukraine in a year. Separatists didn't allow Ukrainian border guards to monitor the Russian-Ukrainian border, refused to integrate into Ukraine's judicial and political systems, and continued shelling Ukrainian towns like Avdiivka in 2018 and Mariupol in 2020, breaching the ceasefire 4,000 times.
Technically yes, but in practice no. Russia is a fully legal and recognized successor of the USSR. Many contracts concluded in the USSR are valid with Russia. While Ukraine did not receive such rights@@brobot_8371
@@samuelkutnar5174 Oh give it up Vasily, everybody and their mother are laughing at the denazification claim, its the most obvious pandering to domestic audience since the ghost WMD's in Iraq.
Break Down: Russia Terms: possible though the demilitarizition will not stand the forces neutralitiy might. Ukraine Terms: highly unlikley as they are losing the war, out of man power, equipment, and time. Also cant enforce such a deal on Russia. Stalemate: the most likely scenario, Russia will win any war of attrition, but Zelensky will never accept any type of peace and will just keep griding down until total collapse or russia gets tired.
@@Kirttv_Official Ukraine is also suffering from the war of attrition, even worse than Russia. Its soldiers demoralized, shortages of manpower to fill the gaps in the frontline. Massive opposition against conscription and dessertions among the army. It is stadistically more probably for Ukraine to lose the war of attrition than Russia.
@@Kirttv_Official Look at history, Russia wins wars through attrition. That is how they have always won wars, and that is how they will continue to win wars. They are the kings of attrition.
@@guard6069No it's the opposite. Russia is on borrowed time, the war economy is completely unsustainable, they have manpower issues and are burning through their old soviet stockpiles at a significant higher rate than what they can produce. This is why it's Russia that is pushing for peace now while Ukraine is still pushing for total victory. Ukraine knows that time is on their side, otherwise they would agree to the current peace to not risk loosing more
The problem with Ukraines peace plans is they act as if they are negotiating from the position of power they aren’t. Russia is on their land. They are relying on foreign support overwhelmingly Russia is not. Like they want to demand Russia just pack up and leave and on top of that set up a demilitarization zone IN THEIR OWN BORDER. at least the Russian one is more realistic in that there most likely will be territorial changes and the “demilitarization of Ukraine” is left ambiguous on purpose because it can probably be negotiated further.
finally someone speak about the denazification of ukraine and ukraines peace terms are just unreallistic russias terms are reallistic ones (im from fin)
@@timester3030And you might be pathetic if you use autism to refer to something that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Thus, you must be leotarded.
Russian terms are more than fair, and Ukraine will just recieve worse and worse terms from now on. Meanwhile Ukrainian terms are bordeline insane, almost if it was a joke.
Fourth option: All the Ukrainians oblasts vote whether they want to join Russia or stay in Ukraine, the vote is final and cannot be appealed. Actual democracy. Russia pays reparations to Ukraine for whatever they take, which will be peanuts compared to just the profits they'll make from rare minerals in Donbass anyway Ukraine remains neutral, and NATO and Russia both invest into it to create a buffer state that won't be a puppet to either side, like they planned in early 2010s until NATO made other plans (Euromaidan)
It would be perfect, but if you will take maps of 2005-2012 elections, Kiev will lose half of the country, much more than Russia wanted to take. Nazi will never agree on referendums. And NATO never accepts result of elections they've lost.
They tried that option with Crimea in 2014 and that’s how this entire mess started. Russia just rigged the elections and the West pointed out the fraud
Yea, Mongolians were here too someday. Poland, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Sweeden, France, Germany. UK was in Crimea for some time. Turkey, at least their vassals. Norse vikings, greek republics. Ostgoths who settled in north Italy later. Huns. Arians. Many other tribes no one will ever remember. The Grand Steppes are the highway of the Eurasia. And movement will not stop. The history is not ended. Understanding it, to die for Ukraine borders who survived only 33 years is such a stupid idea.
It would be easier for the USSR to come back into existence than for Russia to accept the Ukrainian option for peace. Zelensky would greatly help his people by listening to the advice of Brazil, China, and other countries that see Putin's obvious victory in this war. If this continues for the next few years, there will be no men or women left in Ukraine between the ages of 15 and 60, as they will all be sent to the front by the comedian president.
Thing is Zlonsky got assurance from the US of some sort And judging how the Eastern Europe is rearming it probably means that the next US president will either leave or disband NATO just to allow more countries to attack Russia
The second one is only possible if like putin dies or is couped, the first one is could happen eventually as the west loses interest in ukraine or if Russia actually gets their shit together, but not soon, and if the conflict ends soon or if both sides are unable to do anything, the last option is what will happen.
I don' understand this obsession with a country's collapse / withdrawal after a dictator is deposed. I think there's almost zero chance that a transition of power would end the war on Ukrainian terms, even if there was a democratic revolution in Russia
@@freetime5803I mean it is very possible. If Putin were to die then there would be not a strong man at the top wanting the war. The Russians oligarchs are there for show. They hold little real power. And anyone who replaced Putin would most likely be more willing to negotiate. The difference between Nazi Germany and Russia is that the western allies plus Russia were never going to negotiate and they had just too many advantages especially later in the war to even both. While Russia has the upper hand at the current moment. The war is more or less slow attrition warfare. People get sick of that real quick.
@@ZOV_Ebat_Azov3333 Pro russian or not, if people want to steal from independent neighbours and want to kill because propaganda called someone bad, then those people shouldnt have any rights. I tried to see people, forgive for past, but some ruSSians only want to expand their borders instead of peace
Am I the only one who thinks the Ukrainian ones are too harsh,Like pre war borders are understandable but pre 2014 borders, I don't think thats happening. Russian ones are harsh too,like Ukraine cannot have a millitay,bruhh you are just asking them to fully submit to you,and wth denazification means?
Denazification - demolition of monuments to Bandera and other "Nazis" in Ukraine, renaming of all streets, possibly trial of Azov members. Also most likely this is the extradition of all people who tortured civilians or prisoners of war (I don't know for sure). Demilitarization will most likely be like the remilitarization of Germany after WWI (sorry for bad english)
Russia's one is harsher. Having no military just makes you vulnerable from further invasion. Russia plans to set up a puppet regime in Ukraine, and since it has come to a stalemate with little advances, Russia wants to make Ukraine as weak as possible.
😢😢Sadly, the only option is to be decided on the battlefield where one surrenders and capitulates to the other side. And it's obvious who will wave the white flag first. The one with the nukes won't lose that I can guarantee you. It's impossible.
That's assuming the nukes work. Most people thought Russia would roll Ukraine in a few days to a few weeks. Now over two years. Also, China told Russia not to use its nukes. Russia desperately needs China's money, since they are one of the few countries buying Russia's oil.
If Ukraine surrenders tomorrow russia is the weakest it's been in decades and NATO is more powerful than ever. "Victory" for russia is still a major loss.
if Ukraine surrenders tomorrow russia is the lowest it has been in decades and NATO is more powerful than ever. "Victory" for russia is still a major L
Unfortunately, looks like the stalemate scenario is likely gonna be it. Basically that's a Russian win since Ukraine can't join any military alliance while having contested borders and they can't get enough strength to actually take any territory back
i dont think ukraine and the west would allow it so if they wanna annex it they probably need to collapse the frontline and race to it to reach it which seems unlikely to happen this year
Honestly the problem isn't really with Ukraine's equipment (which is already very limited with severe shortages in armoured vehicles and artillery) but with manpower. Even when it comes to armoured vehicles you see more and more videos of Ukrainian troops travelling in civilian trucks or light MRAPs while Russian troops either travel in infantry fighting vehicles or armoured personnel carriers, which are much better armed and armoured. Ukraine has a severe demographic crisis, as a result of the war it's down to almost half of its population with an estimated 6-11 million in Russian-occupied territory and another 4 million people having fled the country leaving it with 26-33 million people. I mean, when it comes to the point when you're dragging men into vans to be shipped off to the front then you probably aren't winning, there's even a video of a Ukrainian soldier with down syndrome on the frontlines being verbally and perhaps physically abused. Pretty sad and fucked up.
@@dampugI see no videos where Ukraine troops travels with civillans cars. Russia didn t have a great time with manpower either. They lost most of their experience pailots and personel. They even sent to front ships crew from its navy to fight.
I doubt there are Any videos of downsyndome soldiers on the front. But there are videos of Ukrainians using pick-up trucks (Like ford F150s and Toyotas) to get to place to place @@Vlad-yi6oo
Ukraine wants respect of international law. At the same time, russia doesn’t hold a single oblast center yet wants to get it for free along with demilitarization and no alliances. Is this not dreaming?
Not really. The Korea scenario happened because the US started actively supporting South Korea, and the North realised there was no winning that. Here, on the other hand, the US is unwilling to get involved directly because of nukes, and Russia keeps pushing despite the weapons, vehicles and drones that NATO sends to Ukraine. So there's no more ways of realistically escalating left, Russia is in that weird area where it's not strong enough to steamroll its enemies, but strong enough to not back down when pressured
Totally different. Imagine if the United States claimed parts of Mexico (like Baja). They conquer most of it. Even if the conflict freezes up, Baja would then just become American. Relationship between MX and USA would be in shambles, basically forever, but they are two independent countries, just like they were before. Korea was one country for centuries until WW2, after which it was forcibly divided.
So in Ukraine's peace proposal, Russia not only loses more territory than what it gained from 2022, it would also lose Crimea a territory which came to Russia without any war in 2014, also it would weaken Russia in it's strategic positions by having western security guarantees and all deaths of the SMO since 2022 would have died for nothing? This will never happen.
@@el_gabron that’s an opinion, fact is ukraine refuses all peace agreements that don’t grant them crimea and 1991 borders, it’s an lunatic idea to claim Russian territory and expect to get support with unrealistic demands.
@@el_gabronif ukraine wasn't basically a nato supported war machine sending conscripts (just like russia) to die off far from home they wouldn't even be holding up to this day
@@TotorL_GD Who said wars are fair? Plus, it’s also unfair for the hundreds of donetsk and lugansk citizend murdered by Ukraine prior to the military operation.
To expect Russia to withdraw after nearly 3 years of fighting is deluded. Honestly, the Russian peace plan is the most realistic, Ukraine has already lost most of the land in the regions Russia is demanding, the populations are more pro Russian in those reigons too. It's better for Ukraine to do that than lost hundreds of thousands more in an attritional war they're currently losing anyway, better to be left standing than not existing at all.
In my opinion, i think ukraine should have all former russian occupied land pre-2014 as it is part of ukranian sovereignty and at the same time. Ukraine must become fully a neutral country, not having an alliance with either the russian side or the western side due to how important the geography of ukraine is.
I propose that Russia is allowed to keep the territory it’s currently occupying, but in return Russia must cede Kaliningrad to Lithuania or Poland. Ukraine isn’t allowed to join Nato, but there is some security deal in place that leaves Ukraine protected from another Russian invasion.
Unfair and unjust lmao. Tell that to Ukrainians who went to Russia during first Chechen war, and made it turn into war by murdering civilians.😂 Ever wondered why chechens are so eager?
Любая война это плохо. Бедныелюди Украины пострадали от нее. Украинское правительство виновато в том что так безответственно вели политику имеея рядом такого грозного соседа со своими интересами
@@antonweismour7625 And also because Russia is a really dogshit neighbor. Neither side has won the war, Russia has isolated itself and killed ~150 thousand of their own men whilst wasting millions perhaps even billions of dollars into the war. Also, it's not like Ukraine asked Russia to invade them, the war was always Russia's
These are the possible endings of a peace, but at this moment either Ukraine gives up territory or the war continues(And we continue with the food crisis etc)😬
RF no longer agrees to option 1, after Kursk. Option 3 is also unlikely. A full-scale war is not the type of conflict that ends in a freeze, as the risks of new war are too great for the sides
I would like to see border around the frontline but based on topography, logistics and consensus, Ukraine getting back Kherson oblast west of Crimea water canal and joining western institutions. That's my idea of small win for Ukraine - I'm Polish I don't want Ukraine to loose but don't want them to ever be strong after the war. Ukraine should become to Poland what Poland was to Germany for last 30 years - economic colony.
@@Dudelsackpfeifer Oposite, Crimea escaped exacply becaiuse nazi banned their president and all eastern faction from participation, and started to kill protesters. If not NATO intervention, we'd live like in Belarus/Baltc/Kazakhstan/Armenia/Finland. Russia need no war in NATO do not invades it's friends.
@@iamaim2847The Baltic’s and Finland are safe because of NATO intervention. Why do you think Finland applied for membership immediately after the war in Ukraine started? I understand Belarus and Kazakstan, but Armenia? The country Azerbaijan has been invading since they know Russia will do nothing about it.
@@louisnall3102 >The Baltic’s and Finland are safe because of NATO intervention. Finland was not in NATO and had a border with Russia for decades. No war there. I don't remember when baltic states joined NATO (or they are just EU?) But still Russia moved out even Berlin to keep peace. And Warshaw pact and USSR republics. Just not to make a war. And I ended with NATO aggressors started war here. Russia withdrew without defeat from Sumy region. And NATO started attack on Kurst region. What are guarantees they will not move the war forward, if Russia will move back? >Armenia? The country Azerbaijan has been invading since they know Russia will do nothing about it. And what should they do? Invade and make them join new USSR? Again, it is a result of USSR shuter. Caucasus was in war for centuries. USSR ended it, until it couldn't. Now Caucasus returned to it's basic state exactly because Russia do not take responsibility to assume control and end the war.
I don't watch BBC because of the risk of propaganda. Just please go back to watching Russia Today if you're going to use cheap "insults" rather than an actual response.
@@PolnocMappingRussia is able to enforce terms which is why the current war started. Russias ideal outcome is annexing a land bridge to Crimea and gaining control of Ukraines diplomatic side of government. (Aka the ability to tell Ukraine they can’t join NATO or EU nor hold ties to any such nations.)
It's ultimately up to Ukraine's allies what outcome they want in my view. The US for one can will give Israel basically everything they want as they commit heinous atrocities while they force Ukraine to fight with one hand behind their back just to get their internationally recognised borders back.
That’s negotiable terms only non negotiable terms are returning of held lands along with Ukrainian diplomatic freedoms. What Russia wants is control of a land bridge to Crimea and to control Ukraines diplomacy with other nations. (Namely to prevent joining of EU or NATO.)
those peace terms are outrageous on both sides lol. i think some form of negotiated ceasefire following current frontline will be the way it ends, neither side has to give up on territory they claim which would politically costly. i think ukraine not joining nato (or maybe not the eu?) but still receiving aid from the west is likely too
Russia: our peace is total win
Ukraine: our peace is total win
Only the Ukrainian model is based on International law and fair justice. It's the one to be pursued.
@@GermanConquistador08 Unfortunately peaceniks would rather bow down and let Russia run all over everybody's because its easier or they listened to the soviet nation anthem when they were 14, thought it was the coolest thing ever and never looked back, so willing to throw Ukraine under the bus but when a different nation invades them you better believe they will cry out "what did I do to deserve this?"
@@GermanConquistador08 Yourth is the only correct position
@@GermanConquistador08 I do think the terms are a little unrealistic, but people in the comments section are missing that Ukraine is willing to negotiate and seek terms. Russia is the power which wants total war.
@@GermanConquistador08 international law is bullshit America broke it every opportunity they can. Some delusional moral principle that hasn’t applied since the 1950s two seconds after it came into effect It’s not going to make Ukraine win.
Both Ukraine and Russia should be given to Moldova
This is the best case scenario
Finally someone I can get behind
Nah
Why?
Why not to Mongolia?
We are not reaching peace
Certain businesses find this to be too profitable to sue for peace.
@@SimplyDuker And its sad.
Anytime soon anyways
Uhh, i think ukraine and Russia did peace treaty today
Ye ye you cannor say that without being in battlefield
I don’t think both countries could agree to any of these terms
Yeah, they're both total victories. Stalemate is most realistic
@@NoName-oz3gj Ukraine is will run out of manpower and resources, there won't be a stalemate, at least not at current borders. Russia has enough to push at least to the borders of Donetsk oblast
Sadly...
@@Srbenda126 I never said it would be the stalemate in the vid, just a stalemate in general.
Russian one doesnt seem so unreasonable, considering how they performed in 2024 as well
Looking at the peace plan of both the countries, it is unlikely anyone would accept that, that the peace plan are so extreme end of either side, hence the war will continue.
Thing is, Russia's demands are far more realistically achievable due to it's military while Ukraine's are simply a dream.
@@Alien43 Achievable, yes. More fair? No.
@@Alien43Depends on what you mean by achievable. There's a chance for Russia to physically take the claimed territory, but little to none for Ukraine to accept and recognize the terms and claims.
@@superdrive986 Ukraine doesnt have the military power to defend tho
@@amppari_234 its not about fairness in a real military conflict
I think Russia gave up on the "Denazification" peace term a while back, also I doubt that Ukraine's "demilitarized zone inside Russia" is a serious idea.
Edit: Almost forgot to mention this but, a while back my mother came up with a rather unique alternative solution. All the disputed territories (the Crimean peninsula and those other four areas) become a single neutral state independent from both Ukraine/NATO/America and Russia.
i feel like the least reasonable/probably clause for both peace terms are the demilitarizations
Denazification is likely acomplished. Right sector is disbanded, Azov, Aidar, Donbass and Kraken are practically non-existent. Those units were SS, but now they are gone.
Not really, denazification is a political change in the Ukrainian government and probably a return to the pre-2014 constitution and laws
@@ВојводаГибаничарскиyou have no clue what you are talking about 😂
@@SteelHilsec-nk7hrTbf, when was the last time anyone said anything about Azov? Those guys are probably just a regular unit at best by now
Nothing but the stalemate scenario is likely to happen ,
Russian peace proposal is quickly becoming the reality on the ground and is completely realistic.
Ukraine's conditions seem more unrealistic
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@@hesh9646 You are the only bot lol. The guy is absolutely correct. Ukraine were smoking pot when they made these conditions. Even they themselves know that they can`t get such a settlement.
@cowboybeboop9420
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@@cowboybeboop9420 And you think Ukraine is going to relinquish claim to their territories? Lol
@@XYZ_55 The reality is probably, yes. They`ve lost those territories in practice and all the people who don`t want to live under Russian rule have either moved to Ukraine proper or to Europe. Everything there is destroyed anyway so they have nothing to come back to and this war has dragged on long enough that they have settled in wherever their current home is.
Also, the war has taken a huge toll in both lives and money and war fatigue is a real thing.
3rd outcome is more realistic than Ukraine term
also more realistic than the Russian terms, which are a little more realistic than Ukrainian terms
@@ddaazahh8064 Dude the stalemate is basically the same as Russia's terms. Ukraine still lost territory and cannot join NATO.
@@eganplaysMCYes, but at least Ukraine will still be receiving aid from them, and they get to maintain a large standing army instead of being demilitarized, so at least their sovereignty is intact.
@@eganplaysMCExactly it's basically accept peace terms according to the country that was most powerful or continue the war which is more likely...
I like that everyone literally doesn’t care that giving any territories to Russia is a violation of international law. Russia simply seized these territories by force and is now demanding their recognition. But yes, who cares about international law? It’s probably some kind of joke.
Realistically, there's no getting back all Ukrainian territory-- that's for certain.
of course its possible just not by current military means
Ukraine wants war reperations Wants Russia to leave Crimea 😂 this is what happens when u allow a comedian to be president
@@ratilantgull602I mean, wanting your country back seems pretty legit to me
How is it possible @@prodbykomrebi
@@EtienneMorin-ot1hr yes but there’s no way they are gonna get 100% of their country back they should try and get as much as possible not impossible also Crimea ain’t even Ukrainian
It’s most likely going to be the stalemate either that or something similar to the winter war ending were yes Finland did give up territory, but most people thought it really won the war because it was able to survive
Or like Chechnya or Afghanistan, where Russia withdraws and/or leaves insurgent forces under the de facto control over previously occupied territory.
I don't think so, think about Texas independence from the USA, then the minority in the power start eradicating everything that was considered from the USA, especially the population, then have a civil war and try to join in a military alliance with Russia of China, allowing with that to put military forces, bases and nukes in that territory. What do you think the USA would do, did you think that it would stay and let what the Texas government wanted to do?
@@ctccaspidothe USA never killed millions of Texans with a famine, + Texas asked to join the United states instead of being conquered
@@sadfrog15 the so-called "holodomor" famine was shared by Russians & Kazakhs, Ukrainians were not intentionally starved and were not the only ones starving. Low harvests combined with kulaks destroying food supply & machinery to protest collectivization, also bureaucratic corruption, led to a widespread famine. There never was another famine in the region after it, though regular famines had occurred every other decade for hundreds of years before it
@@johnny4221 ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for apple pie
Russian outcome: Unlikely but possible
Ukrainian outcome: Virtually impossible
Stalemate: Current and likely
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Russian outcome is going to be very likely, but it would be even harsher
it would be stupid to accept the russian outcome. Russia will just invade it again.
The ukrainian outcome is more likely then the russian one
@@der_Hague because ?
There is also the possibility that one or the other government collapses during the war. This is not unlikely, as countries collapsing due to a war they're fighting has been rather commonplace in the 20th and 21st centuries
Exactly. I wouldn't even rule out the possibility of a working-class uprising bringing the war to an end. It's happened before, after all.
Not that common as people think of. Hussein remained in power in Iraq even after disasterous conflict with Iran and Gulf War, it needed direct American invasion to finally topple him; Gaddafi's Lybia waged seveal poorly managed war campaigns in 1970-1980s but kept the regime stable for 30 years until the Arab Spring. Just being stuck in the prolonged war doesn't automatically mean the country leadership will collapse.
@@Ocelot835 Arab Spring? You mean staged coups backed by Western counties.
@@Ocelot835 Another example is with Bashar in Syria. Half the world wanted to see him go yet hes still here
@Nictator42 The mutineers scenario way possible, military will go to kiev to ask "unharmful questions"
Problem with reclaiming territory:
Crimea is majority pro-Russian at this point and is too strategically important for Russia, particularly their navy.
Donetsk and Luhansk are majority pro-Russian and would never accept returning to Ukraine. The fighting would be over a population that hates you.
If Ukraine accepted withdrawal from Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, but ceded DPR, LPR and Crimea officially, it would be much more realistic. But Russia also would want to keep the land bridge to Crimea through the southern oblasts.
We must fix that
@@TotorL_GD you guys can barely gain ground anymore how y'all gonna fix Crimea lmao
@@Surname-gt7so i think he meant he is gonna fix Donbass and Crimea not liking ukraine, im afraid to ask how he wants to do that
@@Surname-gt7soHe might be talking about committing a genocide or deporting them
@@NuortenHistoria how about investments
I don't know, the first Russian peace deal, except for the demilitarization of Ukraine, seems a bit more realistic, although the stalemate is also very possible.
The stalemate is just a small timeout for the next round.
Unless one wins (Realistically only Russia) the whole thing will start all over again within a few years or months.
The issue is that the ''demilitarisation'' of Ukraine is Russia's main peace term. The entire goal of the special operation was to conquer Ukraine, whether as a puppet state or as being directly annexed into Russia. Second thing is that most of Ukraine's fortifications are located in the region Russia has declared ''annexed,'' so Ukraine will never give them up without a fight.
@@fotppd1475 You might as well go back in time and say the same thing about North and South Korea, India and Pakistan, Transnistria and Moldova, Russia and Georgia. But you would be wrong, wouldn't you?
@@tsumugikotobuki0131 The way Russians see it, (to put it in American terms) Imagine if Canada was supplied weapons by Russia, increasing their military budget, start cutting ties with the US and considering joining a military alliance with Russia.
The US response would be 100% obvious. Demilitarization would hardly be enough for them.
@@fotppd1475 Ukraine never wanted to join NATO until Russia attacked them. They even elected a pro-Russian government and president in 2010, but were backstabbed in 2013/2014 when trying to join the EU, triggering the protests and revolution.
The problem with your argument is that you assume Canadians and Ukrainians don't have a will of their own. In fact they both want to be a part of NATO, and nobody is forcing them to want this.
Ukraine has an too absurd peace request
Imagine saying a country demanding its borders be respected is "absurd".
@@Alex-ez1lk imagine losing a war and pretend to set conditions, like germany in 1918 asking to keep all his territories abroad 🤡
@@Tonyx.yt.Germany lost territories after starting the war and invading other countries together with Austria-Hungary. Ukraine never invaded anyone to "deserve" that, russia did. Ukraine is defending just like France in WWI. Your bot point is beyond laughable, try harder next time
@@lordfoxquaad1611 oh yeah suuuure, they defend themself rejecting deals in march 2022 because bojo lured them into the anglo american ethernal waged wars🤡
@@Alex-ez1lk it is absurd. There is no way Russia would give up Donbass and crimea.
Each Russian peace deal better that the next one 😂 Georgia was smarter to agree at first one.
Good point. The West is keep on feeding these poor Ukrainians and Georgians to the Russian Bear🐻 and it's really sad.
given that the first one was toppled government and annexation of 4 regions you are severely mistaken
@TileBitan if Mexico started shelling civilians in Lake Chapala, what would the US do?
@@TileBitan it wasn't annexation, people vote to become part of Russia after Ukrainian coup in 2014. And first one only say about Crimea, LNR and DNR will remain part of Ukraine. It was Minsk agreement that Ukraine refuse. Next one was with 4 more regions. And if Russia offer next it will include even more regions to prevent Ukraine attack on Russian territory.
@@trololoev wrong, im talking about the first few days when Putin tried to reach Kiev
Next level Ukrainian term: *Annex Russia*
Russia would probably agree to that since in practice it just means that they get all of Ukraine.
@@cowboybeboop9420 holy cow and the russian oligarchs can just remove zelensky from office, put a russian president and it is as if russia won.
da, welcome back Ukraine Oblast
@@cowboybeboop9420lol
ukraine wants 1991 borders, well i think russia is 100% happy with spring and summer 1991 borders 🤣
doesnt seem like either of them are taking peace talks seriously if both of their proposals are "give me everything i want"
Exactly.
well I mean both sides seem to think that on a long enough time scale their victory is certain so it's not ridiculous of them to think they'll be able to get everything they want. It's really just a matter of which sides doubt in their war effort becomes too much.
The conflict hasn’t reached that stage yet. Give it a few more years
Those were Russian peace terms in 2022. Today it will be much harsher
Honestly stalemate or some variation of it is what’s most likely going to happen. The other one would be Russia gets its claimed territory and that’s it no you can’t join nato etc
That's if the war is manageable on the long run for the russian side.
And to be fair, seeing inflation, interest rates, cost of war and taxes grow in Russia while the capacity to emit debts gets increasingly reduced, as well as their monetary reserves...
The assumption that Russia can continue like this for 1, 2 or 3 more years is debatable.
@@marcbuisson2463same thing with the west tho, everything hanging on strings and hairs
@@Radbot776 Nop, I'm sad to tell you that, right now, interest rates, inflation or reserves are in much, much better shapes than Russia, and have had far lower pics than Russia's current one.
We're not at 9% annual inflation, nor 19% interest rates. More importantly, there actually are some people ready to take western debt. Or ukrainian debt. Russia... Russia struggles. And russian banks increasingly can't afford to take this debt. Same with taxes btw, you have not seen income taxes growing by 14% year on year in the west. Or profit taxes by 25%. Russia needs to tax its population much more heavily. And will likely have to augment next year again.
@@marcbuisson2463от войны истощаются все, а не только Россия. Россия и Западные страны проигрывают от этой ситуации, Россия продает ресурсы Азиатским странам за дешево, а западные страны за дорого покупают ресурсы у Арабских и Азиатских стран (которые иногда могут быть куплены за дешево у России). Поэтому, единственные кто выигрывают от Русско-Украинской войны, это нейтральные страны.
@@marcbuisson2463 that’s on paper
The reality is 60 % of Americans live paycheck to paycheck
West europe is American vassal states there economy’s are good as long as America floods paper into them. The. They create improper statistics to keeps fools happy. In America the inflation goes a hair more and the country goes homeless
So both sides want complely opposite things that contradict each other. Cool.
Well to be fair they probably would not be fighting a war if that was not the case.
Because both sides intend to win
that's usually how war happens
Hence the war.
@@dafeekielelliott2442 Both sides completely agree on "We should own everything" goals, they just don't agree on who "we" is
The Ukrainian terms are laughable at this point
At least they want the land they always controlled and which belongs to them by all the international laws. Unlike some kremlin senile, laughably annexing the city of Zaporizhzhia he never captured nor controlled
It's really sad that Ukraine has already laid hundreds of thousands of the lives of her soldiers for them.
@@marluxia8832 it is sad that people are defending their homeland from foreign invader? It is sad that russia is wasting hundreds of thousand of human lives for territorial greed.
Yes, but zelemskys junta will do anything to hold the power
@@ilya1421 putler's junta*
Third solution is just American peace terms lmao
Американские мирные условия: Отдать всю Россию Украине
american peace terms will be a total break up of the russian federation, and continue the process that started in '91
@@pauliusiv6169 Based
Most likely scenerios
1st - Stalemate 60% odds
2nd - Russian Victory 35% odds
3rd - Ukrainian Victory 5% odds
5% is still too generous
I almost fully agree to this. My scenarios r:
For the next 1-3 years:
Stalemate: 65% chance
Russian victory: 30% chance
Ukrainian victory: 5% chance
Next 3-5 years:
Russian (total) victory: 75% chance
Stalemate: 25% chance
Ukrainian victory: 0% chance
@@realmacabreytunless nato launch a surprise invasion 😭
@@realmacabreyt you've been smoking too much copium again
Source: Pulled out from my azz
I sincerely doubt this war will end favourably for Ukraine. They really need to be more realistic with their peace terms to have any room for peace negotiations.
Withdrawing from Kherson and Zaphorizia is entirely unrealistic. Russia isn't able to take those cities. Only the Ukrainian model is based on International law and fair justice. It's the one to be pursued.
@@GermanConquistador08 ...pursues by whom? The Ukraine has no power for it, and the westoids have no will for it.
@@GermanConquistador08 How is taking Kherson unrealistic when they literally took it 9 days into the war? March 1 2022 Kherson city was Russian. They just chose to leave it, because they were taking high casualties bringing supplies across the Antonivka Road Bridge (Their only logistical point for getting across the Dnipro river) and decided it was more worth it to let the Ukrainians take it back than hold it. This is also after paratroopers failed to secure Kyiv, and thus an early victory, leading to Russia turning all their focus on the south and east rather than the north and northeast, which is how we got to where the war is now, still entirely focused on the south and east.
@@GermanConquistador08interesting what international law thinks about invasion of Ukraine in Kursk
@@GermanConquistador08Hey, what does the international law say about bombing a region that wants to join another country (Donbass) ? I think there might be a little quirk named « Self-determination » in the international law, that also happens (what a surprise !)to be the basis of the international law.
Both of these terms show that both sides are not actually willing to reach a peace agreement
It's Ukraine not willing to reach a peace agreement. Why would Ukraine bomb civilians 24/7 if they wanted peace?
"peace is when I win"
I don't see how one can really negotiate any kind of a peace with a nation that denies your right to self-rule.
@@el_gabron Exactly. It’s impossible to negotiate with Ukraine because Ukraine doesn’t even allow Donetsk and Lugansk People to exist
@@Manticorus_YT russian education at its finest
Хахаха стюпидо европейцен не андерстенд, что между Россией и Украиной нет никакой войны, только наша народная забава - СЛАВЯНСКИЙ ЗАЖИМ ЯЙЦАМИ
Слишком тонко и слишком толсто одновременно.
People in the comments aren’t getting what negotiation is. Yes, both peace terms aren’t fair and realistic but that’s the point. At first each side is saying everything it wants and ONLY AFTER they’ll hear each other and find a compromise. How else do you think peace talks are working?
And the first peace plan from May 2022 seems so good now.
What was it now ? I kinda forgot now. Wasn’t it like « Zelensky leaves and an internationally monitored referendum takes place in eastern ukraine » or something on the line ?
@@elgrandefleau7359Haahaha. They might have worded it like that but the referendum in Crimea showed that is not at all how it would go.
@@elgrandefleau7359 Essentially ukr remain neutral and guaranteed independence by G5 nations and russia but allowed a large standing army, crimea remains russian, condemning of far right groups, two breakaway oblasts decide their future either staying ukrainian with more autonomy, joining russia or staying independent. It was signed by both parties for a reason.
@@TommyTipexYou sure the first treaty allowed a large standing army? I heard in fact that Ukraine would still be forced to demilitarize, which is one of the major reasons why Ukraine ultimately decided against the peace plan
@@TommyTipex That would have been ideal coming from a pro-Ukrains point of view. Crimea, DPR and LPR are not going back.
The borders are extremely unbalanced
Especially for ukraine, they lost a lot of their important agricultural and coast territories
Well, Ukraine could have had it all if they kept their part of the Minsk agreements. The Ukrainians just had to grant some autonomy to Donetsk and Luhansk within Ukraine.
@@НевенаНиколова-к6ы Lol so in other words Ukraine should have just done as russia would want? All that was planned by russia. They would have claimed those territories without war.
They could not start the coup in 2014.
They could acknowledge pro-russian faction in society and not strip 12M ukrainians from right on representative and right to be elected (and lost to them elections again)
They could sent diplomats on Donbass, not murderers. As Poroshenko promised.
They could stop shelling civilians after Minsk accords. As Zelenskiy promised.
They could not attack Donetsk again 22.02.22.
They could accept Istambul in May 2022 and at least hold Kherosn and Zaporojie.
They made all wrong moves. All they want is escalation, to assume control by the power of the strong. And they successfully escalated to the point where their enemy is stronger.
@@НевенаНиколова-к6ы According to the Minsk agreements both Donetsk and Lugansk were supposed to remain parts of Ukraine. They never were to become "sovereign countries", let alone be annexed by Russia.
Ukraine and Zelensky adhered to the Minsk 2 agreement where possible, but russia and the 'separatists' failed to meet their obligations. russia didn't withdraw its military forces, with over 30,000 personnel crossing into Ukraine in a year. Separatists didn't allow Ukrainian border guards to monitor the Russian-Ukrainian border, refused to integrate into Ukraine's judicial and political systems, and continued shelling Ukrainian towns like Avdiivka in 2018 and Mariupol in 2020, breaching the ceasefire 4,000 times.
@@НевенаНиколова-к6ы There would be no need for Minsk agreements if Russia hadn't taken Crimea and armed the separatists in DPR and LPR.
Ukraine is so clowning. Demilitirizing military borders? Wanting more than just donetsk and getting crimea back? Pfft
Yes, we have all rights to do this.
@@TotorL_GDyour country didnt exist till 1991 be fr
@@Chosen_Ash technically, russia didnt either
Technically yes, but in practice no. Russia is a fully legal and recognized successor of the USSR. Many contracts concluded in the USSR are valid with Russia. While Ukraine did not receive such rights@@brobot_8371
@@Chosen_Ash 1918
It's gonna end up being a stalemate. No way either side is accepting the peace terms
Because both side's peace terms are nonsensical
@@henryy3556Russia’s seemed reasonable until they said “demilitarization of ukraine”
also “denazification” because it’s kinda vague
@@HogBurgerlol
but then we saw zelensky cheering a nazi with the whole canadian parlament, ukrainian soldiers with nazi signs, etc.
@@samuelkutnar5174 Oh give it up Vasily, everybody and their mother are laughing at the denazification claim, its the most obvious pandering to domestic audience since the ghost WMD's in Iraq.
Break Down:
Russia Terms: possible though the demilitarizition will not stand the forces neutralitiy might.
Ukraine Terms: highly unlikley as they are losing the war, out of man power, equipment, and time. Also cant enforce such a deal on Russia.
Stalemate: the most likely scenario, Russia will win any war of attrition, but Zelensky will never accept any type of peace and will just keep griding down until total collapse or russia gets tired.
Russia will loose attrition war because they are suffering internal issues like people being extremely unhappy.
@@Kirttv_Official Ukraine is also suffering from the war of attrition, even worse than Russia. Its soldiers demoralized, shortages of manpower to fill the gaps in the frontline. Massive opposition against conscription and dessertions among the army. It is stadistically more probably for Ukraine to lose the war of attrition than Russia.
@@Kirttv_Official Look at history, Russia wins wars through attrition. That is how they have always won wars, and that is how they will continue to win wars. They are the kings of attrition.
@@Kirttv_Officialyall have been saying this since the start of the war lmao
@@guard6069No it's the opposite. Russia is on borrowed time, the war economy is completely unsustainable, they have manpower issues and are burning through their old soviet stockpiles at a significant higher rate than what they can produce. This is why it's Russia that is pushing for peace now while Ukraine is still pushing for total victory. Ukraine knows that time is on their side, otherwise they would agree to the current peace to not risk loosing more
I am taking the russian one. Thanks.
the stalemate scenario will probably happen
At least russia tried to be realistic, what map is zelenskyy looking at??
The problem with Ukraines peace plans is they act as if they are negotiating from the position of power they aren’t. Russia is on their land. They are relying on foreign support overwhelmingly Russia is not. Like they want to demand Russia just pack up and leave and on top of that set up a demilitarization zone IN THEIR OWN BORDER. at least the Russian one is more realistic in that there most likely will be territorial changes and the “demilitarization of Ukraine” is left ambiguous on purpose because it can probably be negotiated further.
finally someone speak about the denazification of ukraine and ukraines peace terms are just unreallistic russias terms are reallistic ones (im from fin)
Blessed scenario: Crimea annexes both Ukraine and Russia, restoring canonical lands.
Crimea is part of Russia anyway and called for SMO the hardest. So you could say Crimea annexed Russia anyway, cause you know, one and the same.
I thought the war has ended💀
you might be acoustic
Turn on the news once in a while
@@timester3030 Acoustic?!?
Ignorant
@@timester3030And you might be pathetic if you use autism to refer to something that has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Thus, you must be leotarded.
Russian terms are more than fair, and Ukraine will just recieve worse and worse terms from now on.
Meanwhile Ukrainian terms are bordeline insane, almost if it was a joke.
Fourth option:
All the Ukrainians oblasts vote whether they want to join Russia or stay in Ukraine, the vote is final and cannot be appealed. Actual democracy.
Russia pays reparations to Ukraine for whatever they take, which will be peanuts compared to just the profits they'll make from rare minerals in Donbass anyway
Ukraine remains neutral, and NATO and Russia both invest into it to create a buffer state that won't be a puppet to either side, like they planned in early 2010s until NATO made other plans (Euromaidan)
It would be perfect, but if you will take maps of 2005-2012 elections, Kiev will lose half of the country, much more than Russia wanted to take. Nazi will never agree on referendums. And NATO never accepts result of elections they've lost.
That is honestly balanced and fair.
@@ReikerForge this is better than all 3 options
They tried that option with Crimea in 2014 and that’s how this entire mess started. Russia just rigged the elections and the West pointed out the fraud
@@kanaserwisowy7166 The elections in 2022 were rigged, but the one in 2014 seemed legitimate
At least, it seems the likelihood of a stalemate scenario (the so-called Korean scenario, but I would rather say “Kashmir scenario”) is increasing.
Ukraine's proposals are ridiculous compared to Russia's current advantages.
The future is a mysterious, scary , and exciting place. an entirely different outcome from all of the above might happen
Ukrainian's terms are just hilarious.
real
Hilarious is your chauvinistic fart in the comments
No it isnt
i dont think wanting your land back is hilarious
@@nonameloginss Either way, I doubt the DPR and LPR would allow Ukraine to annex them again after what happened in the past 10 years
I have a solution, give the land back to the rightful owner of Mongolia
Yea, Mongolians were here too someday. Poland, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Sweeden, France, Germany. UK was in Crimea for some time. Turkey, at least their vassals. Norse vikings, greek republics. Ostgoths who settled in north Italy later. Huns. Arians. Many other tribes no one will ever remember. The Grand Steppes are the highway of the Eurasia. And movement will not stop. The history is not ended.
Understanding it, to die for Ukraine borders who survived only 33 years is such a stupid idea.
Ukraine claiming crimea is the funniest shi ever like it’s been a decade
name of music?
Castle of Darkness
It would be easier for the USSR to come back into existence than for Russia to accept the Ukrainian option for peace. Zelensky would greatly help his people by listening to the advice of Brazil, China, and other countries that see Putin's obvious victory in this war. If this continues for the next few years, there will be no men or women left in Ukraine between the ages of 15 and 60, as they will all be sent to the front by the comedian president.
Thing is Zlonsky got assurance from the US of some sort
And judging how the Eastern Europe is rearming it probably means that the next US president will either leave or disband NATO just to allow more countries to attack Russia
The second one is only possible if like putin dies or is couped, the first one is could happen eventually as the west loses interest in ukraine or if Russia actually gets their shit together, but not soon, and if the conflict ends soon or if both sides are unable to do anything, the last option is what will happen.
This comments sounds like Hitler thinking that the death of FDR will somehow turn the tide of the war in the west but in 2024
I don' understand this obsession with a country's collapse / withdrawal after a dictator is deposed. I think there's almost zero chance that a transition of power would end the war on Ukrainian terms, even if there was a democratic revolution in Russia
Its not like russia has a chain of command to keep it going
@@freetime5803I mean it is very possible. If Putin were to die then there would be not a strong man at the top wanting the war. The Russians oligarchs are there for show. They hold little real power. And anyone who replaced Putin would most likely be more willing to negotiate. The difference between Nazi Germany and Russia is that the western allies plus Russia were never going to negotiate and they had just too many advantages especially later in the war to even both. While Russia has the upper hand at the current moment. The war is more or less slow attrition warfare. People get sick of that real quick.
@@freetime5803 cope
Russia is still making progress, so the peace term can not happen right now.
Yea they are at 3 km of Kiev😂😂😂
@@Vlad-yi6oo not funny
@@B_O_L_SZ_E_W_I_K isn t. But is not my fault that russian leaders are idiots
@@Vlad-yi6oo nobody officially said that
@@3xSoda its was a joke
Demilitarized INSIDE RUSSIA 😂 you wish Ukraine 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
Russian bot moment
В твоих мечтах
@@Typical_Human549 для тебя все пророссийские люди это боты?)
Может хватит так глупо мыслить?
@@ZOV_Ebat_Azov3333 Pro russian or not, if people want to steal from independent neighbours and want to kill because propaganda called someone bad, then those people shouldnt have any rights. I tried to see people, forgive for past, but some ruSSians only want to expand their borders instead of peace
@ZOV_Ebat_Azov3333
Yes, yes they are
Nobody in their right mind would support Putin on any moral terms
Am I the only one who thinks the Ukrainian ones are too harsh,Like pre war borders are understandable but pre 2014 borders, I don't think thats happening.
Russian ones are harsh too,like Ukraine cannot have a millitay,bruhh you are just asking them to fully submit to you,and wth denazification means?
Ukrainian and Polish political behaviour is like that of a whiney child
Denazification - demolition of monuments to Bandera and other "Nazis" in Ukraine, renaming of all streets, possibly trial of Azov members. Also most likely this is the extradition of all people who tortured civilians or prisoners of war (I don't know for sure). Demilitarization will most likely be like the remilitarization of Germany after WWI (sorry for bad english)
Russia's one is harsher. Having no military just makes you vulnerable from further invasion. Russia plans to set up a puppet regime in Ukraine, and since it has come to a stalemate with little advances, Russia wants to make Ukraine as weak as possible.
Russia's one is worse
@@DedOrAlive Make sense
😢😢Sadly, the only option is to be decided on the battlefield where one surrenders and capitulates to the other side. And it's obvious who will wave the white flag first. The one with the nukes won't lose that I can guarantee you. It's impossible.
That's assuming the nukes work. Most people thought Russia would roll Ukraine in a few days to a few weeks. Now over two years. Also, China told Russia not to use its nukes. Russia desperately needs China's money, since they are one of the few countries buying Russia's oil.
But will make a damn fool of itself in the process
If Ukraine surrenders tomorrow russia is the weakest it's been in decades and NATO is more powerful than ever. "Victory" for russia is still a major loss.
if Ukraine surrenders tomorrow russia is the lowest it has been in decades and NATO is more powerful than ever. "Victory" for russia is still a major L
Russian Government (specially, Sergey Kravtsov) are doing some things that can erase Russia from the maps in the perspective of 10-20 years
Unfortunately, looks like the stalemate scenario is likely gonna be it. Basically that's a Russian win since Ukraine can't join any military alliance while having contested borders and they can't get enough strength to actually take any territory back
would the russians not annex odessa on their terms?
i dont think ukraine and the west would allow it so if they wanna annex it they probably need to collapse the frontline and race to it to reach it which seems unlikely to happen this year
Honestly the problem isn't really with Ukraine's equipment (which is already very limited with severe shortages in armoured vehicles and artillery) but with manpower. Even when it comes to armoured vehicles you see more and more videos of Ukrainian troops travelling in civilian trucks or light MRAPs while Russian troops either travel in infantry fighting vehicles or armoured personnel carriers, which are much better armed and armoured. Ukraine has a severe demographic crisis, as a result of the war it's down to almost half of its population with an estimated 6-11 million in Russian-occupied territory and another 4 million people having fled the country leaving it with 26-33 million people.
I mean, when it comes to the point when you're dragging men into vans to be shipped off to the front then you probably aren't winning, there's even a video of a Ukrainian soldier with down syndrome on the frontlines being verbally and perhaps physically abused. Pretty sad and fucked up.
@@dampugI see no videos where Ukraine troops travels with civillans cars. Russia didn t have a great time with manpower either. They lost most of their experience pailots and personel. They even sent to front ships crew from its navy to fight.
I doubt there are Any videos of downsyndome soldiers on the front. But there are videos of Ukrainians using pick-up trucks (Like ford F150s and Toyotas) to get to place to place @@Vlad-yi6oo
No, they really only seemed to want the east.
A Korean style peace armistice would last at most 5 years unless it's enforced by the United States Millitary.
Like it was in korea, right?
Is Ukraine dreaming? Like Seriously?
Just interrupting negotiations to buy more time for plunder before elites could leave to EU.
Ukraine wants respect of international law. At the same time, russia doesn’t hold a single oblast center yet wants to get it for free along with demilitarization and no alliances. Is this not dreaming?
@@denarte6986 Russia literally holds all of Luhansk and I am PRETTY sure Donetsk is the oblast center of Donetsk Oblast...
@@denarte6986 you seems to be outdated by your incel gang.
anybody else kinda zone out, forget you're watching a hypothetical map video and not the usual real one, and go "WAIT WHAT HAPPENED?"
I get the feeling this will become another North Korea-South Korea scenario.
Not really. The Korea scenario happened because the US started actively supporting South Korea, and the North realised there was no winning that. Here, on the other hand, the US is unwilling to get involved directly because of nukes, and Russia keeps pushing despite the weapons, vehicles and drones that NATO sends to Ukraine. So there's no more ways of realistically escalating left, Russia is in that weird area where it's not strong enough to steamroll its enemies, but strong enough to not back down when pressured
Totally different. Imagine if the United States claimed parts of Mexico (like Baja). They conquer most of it.
Even if the conflict freezes up, Baja would then just become American.
Relationship between MX and USA would be in shambles, basically forever, but they are two independent countries, just like they were before.
Korea was one country for centuries until WW2, after which it was forcibly divided.
That would never last 2 years
Russia have no reason to stop artillery war. Nazi have no respawning manpower.
Демилитаризация России это чушь собачья 😂, моська лает. Это равносильно требованию Люксембурга демилитаризировать США
Only Russia has the realistic position to enforce its terms on Ukraine. It is only a matter of time.
The last one is like Korean war, there is an armistice then we have a de facto new border
I can't make my comment visible by "Top Comments" because of Y Corp's trash community guidelines. Skibidi.
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@@ZajeXD55 The YT Shorts got me bro. It got me 😭
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@@Terranallias18 better check your brain if its not rotted
Skibidi
I think the best solution would be to go back to the 2021 borders
So in Ukraine's peace proposal, Russia not only loses more territory than what it gained from 2022, it would also lose Crimea a territory which came to Russia without any war in 2014, also it would weaken Russia in it's strategic positions by having western security guarantees and all deaths of the SMO since 2022 would have died for nothing? This will never happen.
Yes. That's called loosing a war of aggression. Remember Japan? "a small and victorious war"
@@ПавелСакулин-щ3м В таком случае это не мир, а капитуляция
@@ПавелСакулин-щ3м чел, лучше весь мир сожжем. Нафиг нам это нужно?
Будет либо победа либо ядерный апокалипсис.
Усраина смешна
Не розумію окупантської, він щось про Суджу пиздить?
Russian peace terms seem a lot more achievable.
Russia’s treaty is not harsh enough and Ukraine’s treaty is unrealistic.
That's unfair
"not harsh enough" like they can actually enforce any of their claimed goals
@@el_gabron that’s an opinion, fact is ukraine refuses all peace agreements that don’t grant them crimea and 1991 borders, it’s an lunatic idea to claim Russian territory and expect to get support with unrealistic demands.
@@el_gabronif ukraine wasn't basically a nato supported war machine sending conscripts (just like russia) to die off far from home they wouldn't even be holding up to this day
@@TotorL_GD Who said wars are fair? Plus, it’s also unfair for the hundreds of donetsk and lugansk citizend murdered by Ukraine prior to the military operation.
North/South Korea: "First time?"
To expect Russia to withdraw after nearly 3 years of fighting is deluded. Honestly, the Russian peace plan is the most realistic, Ukraine has already lost most of the land in the regions Russia is demanding, the populations are more pro Russian in those reigons too. It's better for Ukraine to do that than lost hundreds of thousands more in an attritional war they're currently losing anyway, better to be left standing than not existing at all.
That's what I agree with for now but it all now depends on the elections
Russia claims Snihurivka as apart of Russian Kherson.
Russian one if the most likely
my peace treaty: *SVIET ONION*
I initially thought there was finally a peace term.
Sasly it is not...
Both should be given to Mongolia
In my opinion, i think ukraine should have all former russian occupied land pre-2014 as it is part of ukranian sovereignty and at the same time. Ukraine must become fully a neutral country, not having an alliance with either the russian side or the western side due to how important the geography of ukraine is.
So we should suck clocks just because Russia is aggressive state?
There is no trust in West.
I propose that Russia is allowed to keep the territory it’s currently occupying, but in return Russia must cede Kaliningrad to Lithuania or Poland. Ukraine isn’t allowed to join Nato, but there is some security deal in place that leaves Ukraine protected from another Russian invasion.
So it is totaly not an european invasion, but Europe wants to take land?
Bro you ain't getting back crimea
Crimea is Russia I am from Crimea Ukraine is not welcomed here
Cringe Russian bot.
Crimea is and will always be Internationally Recognized Ukrainian territory.
Cope about it.
@@ИринаЛукьяненко-ь3ъ - Not you aren't, Bot.
@@GermanConquistador08She's not a bot.
Read her name,it's Irina.
@@GermanConquistador08 very interesting. Crimea will always be russian recognized (by Russia itslef) territory, and that is enough.
Ukrainian terms: More just and fair, but less realistic
Russian terms: Unfair and unjust, but are more likely to happen
Unfair and unjust lmao. Tell that to Ukrainians who went to Russia during first Chechen war, and made it turn into war by murdering civilians.😂
Ever wondered why chechens are so eager?
Poor ukraine
Любая война это плохо. Бедныелюди Украины пострадали от нее. Украинское правительство виновато в том что так безответственно вели политику имеея рядом такого грозного соседа со своими интересами
@@antonweismour7625How is Ukraine to blame
@@antonweismour7625 And also because Russia is a really dogshit neighbor.
Neither side has won the war, Russia has isolated itself and killed ~150 thousand of their own men whilst wasting millions perhaps even billions of dollars into the war. Also, it's not like Ukraine asked Russia to invade them, the war was always Russia's
@@bulkax303If you know the consequences then why continue to be stupid?
@@Zeptus1488 Because appeasing is never the solution - If Ukraine gives up russian claims then we could have a second czechoslovakia
These are the possible endings of a peace, but at this moment either Ukraine gives up territory or the war continues(And we continue with the food crisis etc)😬
Or Russia just f**k off
The stalemate is the most realistic by far
RF no longer agrees to option 1, after Kursk. Option 3 is also unlikely. A full-scale war is not the type of conflict that ends in a freeze, as the risks of new war are too great for the sides
It isnt a full scale war well not for russia at least
both peace deals are absoloutely outrageous...
As always the everything radical is
It s just the average hoi4 peacedeal😂
Not really, Russia's is lenient I'd say.
I would like to see border around the frontline but based on topography, logistics and consensus, Ukraine getting back Kherson oblast west of Crimea water canal and joining western institutions. That's my idea of small win for Ukraine - I'm Polish I don't want Ukraine to loose but don't want them to ever be strong after the war. Ukraine should become to Poland what Poland was to Germany for last 30 years - economic colony.
Maybe NATO should stay away just like pre 2014.
That resulted in the annexation of Crimea in 2014. If Ukraine had been in NATO all along, none of this would have happened.
@@Dudelsackpfeifer Oposite, Crimea escaped exacply becaiuse nazi banned their president and all eastern faction from participation, and started to kill protesters. If not NATO intervention, we'd live like in Belarus/Baltc/Kazakhstan/Armenia/Finland. Russia need no war in NATO do not invades it's friends.
@@iamaim2847The Baltic’s and Finland are safe because of NATO intervention. Why do you think Finland applied for membership immediately after the war in Ukraine started?
I understand Belarus and Kazakstan, but Armenia? The country Azerbaijan has been invading since they know Russia will do nothing about it.
@@louisnall3102
>The Baltic’s and Finland are safe because of NATO intervention.
Finland was not in NATO and had a border with Russia for decades. No war there. I don't remember when baltic states joined NATO (or they are just EU?) But still Russia moved out even Berlin to keep peace. And Warshaw pact and USSR republics. Just not to make a war. And I ended with NATO aggressors started war here.
Russia withdrew without defeat from Sumy region. And NATO started attack on Kurst region.
What are guarantees they will not move the war forward, if Russia will move back?
>Armenia? The country Azerbaijan has been invading since they know Russia will do nothing about it.
And what should they do? Invade and make them join new USSR?
Again, it is a result of USSR shuter. Caucasus was in war for centuries. USSR ended it, until it couldn't. Now Caucasus returned to it's basic state exactly because Russia do not take responsibility to assume control and end the war.
who told you about "demilitarized zones", i've litterally NEVER heard of that idea from pro-ukranian speakers.
wtf?
You can't demand terms if you are loosing the war - NATO and the Ukraine should remember that.
XD
You should add Russia too considering they're not able to enforce demands either
@@PolnocMapping Please go back to watching BBC and let the adult talk. And do remember to take your booster shot.
I don't watch BBC because of the risk of propaganda. Just please go back to watching Russia Today if you're going to use cheap "insults" rather than an actual response.
@@PolnocMappingRussia is able to enforce terms which is why the current war started.
Russias ideal outcome is annexing a land bridge to Crimea and gaining control of Ukraines diplomatic side of government.
(Aka the ability to tell Ukraine they can’t join NATO or EU nor hold ties to any such nations.)
It's ultimately up to Ukraine's allies what outcome they want in my view. The US for one can will give Israel basically everything they want as they commit heinous atrocities while they force Ukraine to fight with one hand behind their back just to get their internationally recognised borders back.
I think Russia’s peace deal is quite fair, except from the demilitarisation which is just ridiculous
That’s negotiable terms only non negotiable terms are returning of held lands along with Ukrainian diplomatic freedoms.
What Russia wants is control of a land bridge to Crimea and to control Ukraines diplomacy with other nations.
(Namely to prevent joining of EU or NATO.)
Siberia is Kosovo
...And Kosovo is Serbia. Congrats, now we have a Serbian Siberia, or Serberia for short 😎
there will be no stalemate. this is an existential war
those peace terms are outrageous on both sides lol. i think some form of negotiated ceasefire following current frontline will be the way it ends, neither side has to give up on territory they claim which would politically costly. i think ukraine not joining nato (or maybe not the eu?) but still receiving aid from the west is likely too
At the current pace, Ukraine should accept the russian peaceterms, cuz if they dont russia will annex way more than just the east of Ukraine
There is one English word that describes zelenski the best - delusional
Yeah neither side is budging or willing to compromise, we ain’t getting peace terms chief
Russia’s terms are reasonable and for future peace in the area, ukraines are ludicrous and a pipe dream
Now compare that to 2022 peace terms