Back to normal! We have two case reviews coming up -- both are good cases. Really excited about that, especially because one of them has a 3D airflow animation in it. We've been experimenting with those for helping with understanding/educational material lately and have really liked it. Check out the EK video here: ua-cam.com/video/6VjYFdHMC3A/v-deo.html And support our work here: store.gamersnexus.net/ Or here! www.patreon.com/gamersnexus More to come soon!
History = context. Without context, EK's actions (or really any other company/nation-state, shout-out to the History of Everything YT channel) make little sense.
Nvidia holds such an unsurpassed majority of the market already, with the 4090 being largely unbothered by the 7900XTX that it doesn't really matter to them what price AMD has on their highest end card. Even the 4080 (VRAM aside) is more favourable due to it's better upscaling and RT support.
They haven't kept prices Fair since the pandemic. The New Normal is overcharging for everything. Most people have just become accustomed to it since there's nothing we can do about it.
Tech Report has been a zombie site for years at this point, and it still makes me sad. Their early investigations into frame times and frame pacing ("Inside the second") were some of the most eye-opening and impactful gaming/tech related journalism I've ever read.
Nothing lasts forever. The first major loss in the tech scene was the closure of [H]ard|OCP back in the day. While that was a result of Kyle accepting a position at Intel, it is inevitable that all the tech sites will face eventual closure of their traditional web presence. All the others like Tom's Hardware et al. will follow in time. The reason is that people aren't interested in reading articles anymore, or interminably paging through ad-laden reviews. We lack attention span these days - if you don't offer easily-digestible sound-bitey video content then your business model won't stand the test of time.
anandtech stopped becoming relevant and anything else but a access journalism ad frontend 10+ years ago, same goes for Toms Hardware etc... so this was long overdue.
Huge compliments to Vitalii, TIm, and Andrew on the editing of the most recent EK video as well. The production value was fantastic and after rewatching it a second time I really appreciated the work they did.
This is a tough standard to implement. The term 'life expectancy' is very ambiguous. Are we talking solely the amount of time that the device will be functional, functional at a certain standard or level, or the time that updates will be available for the device.
Those PIRG people are heroes, remembering from their interview in the Asus controversy. Super educated and knowledgeable caring people. Not many Louis Rossman type people out there that dedicate their time to teaching others how to protect themselves against scummy practices and advocate for them
I put on the EK expose as a background video while playing some ubislop. I then watched it again, this time paying attention on the tv with a large bag of snacks at hand. It is a masterpiece of journalism and I hope it's just the start for GN. Outstanding work.
AMD giving up on high end sucks man. Will only promote Nvidia's monopoly on enthusiast level builds, just when with 6900xtx and 7900xtx made them viable high end options if you did not want to pay the absurd prices nvidia asks for their top end. Such a shame
The issue with AMDs strategy of focusing on the mid-range is that less informed consumers often look at the flagships when making buying decisions. That's the reason these "halo products" exist: to improve brand image and drive sales, while the real profit is made from high-volume mid-range offerings.
That's actually one of the scarier parts for me is that most of the online publications and websites especially from the early 2000s are now gone for me.
One of the questions I answered during a job interview back in the day was how do I stay informed on changing tech news… my answer included Anandtech and Tom’s Hardware. I got the gig. Loved the technical deep dives in those articles and now I am here. Keep up the good work my friends.
@@davidg3944 Obligatory reminder that Nestle should always be boycotted - they own sl4v3s (YT deletes comments without the 1337 speak), a cartel and have 4ssasinat3d people for trying to expose them.
the only person I found to really blame for what happened here is Mitrović. that guy played the dirtiest of games while pretending he cared about EK legacy. he pulled the most money to his own pocket from the company and still remains at helm while doing so. Konig is also a guilty party for not parting his ways with him or rather for getting him in the company portfolio in the first place. the other two that were US based didn't actually matter as much as these two guys but primary suspect is Mitrović in my opinion. he's the reason solvency ever became an issue and workers not getting paid are because of him directly.
@@xQuandaleDinglex Starting and leading a venture is not insignificant, but few meaningful things are built on one exceptional person. GamersNexus often talks about meeting engineers, "the guys on the ground," who are clearly very competent and invested in their work. The problem isn't that they lack a "visionary" to direct them, it's the new people in charge. Capricious fools who run every business that gets acquired into the ground in a fit of rabid greed and cruelty.
@@GamersNexus now if I could just get them to RMA my 2 water blocks that are seeping before the remaining characters disappear and end up sipping adult beverages on the beach in Cambodia that would be great lol
I'm happy the FTC is getting involved. I had a sprinkler system for years. After a few years, they said I had to buy a subscription to keep using my sprinkler system. I ended up with a different sprinkler system. It made more sense financially.
A subscription...FOR YOUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM!?!? What are they going to do if you stop paying? Turn it off??? Ridiculous. You made the right choice, I'm sure.
Save water. Let God water your lawn whenever He feels like it, or let Mother Nature do the same, if you swing that way. Definitely don't the Devi- uhh Internet water your lawn.
@@GraeTendo manmade droughts throw a wrench in the works in some areas, but I get what you mean. Handing off watering duties to some centralized system that's always looking for new ways to squeeze money out of you is not the way to go.
RIP Anandtech.. I remember finding him right as he got started. I was new in the Air Force and just put together a computer and had a dial up modem. I remember being impressed with his reviews and kind of followed all these years. LOVE THE FORMAT KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
That EK video is honestly incredible. Stuff like that is kinda why I don't think YT is a total lost cause. Would never see that kinda quality on regular TV, not intentionally.
It's so freaking weird to see my own obscure language, spoken by about 2 million people worldwide, featured this prominently on the very first news update. Will definitely give your EK piece a long look now, that you mentioned you also go into its history and background, since I'm pretty damn curious now for not just 1 obvious reason (I like computer hardware stuff and playing LEGOs with it as a manchild) but now 2 after seeing my country this notably involved in a GamersNexus story lol.
Steve: "I really like the format and I want to use it again..." Tech Hardware News Industry : **sweats profusely** all jokes aside lol, I really appreciate the work y'all put into actual journalism and your commitment to journalistic integrity. please keep up the good work!~
@@GamersNexus If you do, I really hope you will look into all the underhanded tactics he intends to use, like outright lying to make his case, the game he build the entire EU initiative on, he claims had 12 million players, at the time it was shut down after 10 years, when the car licenses would have to be renewed, it had less than 100 people playing it, he is not someone to be trusted, nor worthy of having on your channel in my humble opinion, if the initiative passes as it is written, it will effectively shut down every single game that dares to have any multiplayer components ever.
@@MrsMaisie he is referring to minimum ownership, not concurrent player counts. since you cannot define when someone is "done" with a game, I think it is just as accurate to refer to it this way. 12 million is a low estimate for the number of copies that will be rendered inoperable. think about it like this: you are not using your can opener right now. but that doesn't mean you never use it, and it doesn't mean you should never be able to never use it again. the same is true for any other product. we cannot be playing every game we own at all times. I'm here if you have any more questions. thank you for your interest in the subject.
That PIRG letter to the FTC is amazing. A lot of those devices I am actually familiar with too, and it stands to reason that EVERY company is either responsible for maintaining their servers, or pushing a patch that no longer requires them at all.
On the EK tax filing, the value reduction in the tax paper work (for sections II.3 and II.2) on the machines and buildings could also be due to depreciation, not necessarily a sale of assets.
AMD reverting to the Polaris days honestly isn’t a bad idea for them, but man NVIDIA’s gonna milk that for all its worth. Hopefully their 9000 series shows a 6000/7000 series comeback.
RT is still hugely overhyped and an insane waste of resources. I have absolutely no problem with Nvidia milking the audience that think stuff like RT is mandatory
Don't forget that AMD isn't the only one not targeting the high end with GPUs, AMD is most likely focusing RDNA4 on giving the imminent 2nd gen Intel GPUs a good smackdown.
Yup I agree. If they can offer a good midrange for a very aggressive price, RDNA 4 could be sell very well for AMD. Rumors seem to be that they worked hard on RT performance too. Only thing that could be a problem is their upscaling technology, but who knows, maybe they will have something in the oven already. I'm really curios how this will play out for them.
PLEASE let that letter to the FTC happen. When buying a product for the promised features are taken away or changing them to subscription is atrocious. I bought the product to do X things that were offered and changing the device to no longer do those things in the way advertised is ethically wrong, if not legally. Changing them in that way completely changes what I paid for. I'm fine with them changing it going forward for anyone buying that product as of the change, but I should be grandfather in to the functionality when I bought it with continued support for those features.
Asrock did that to us with the X470 Taichi motherboard. They disabled the external clock generator in later BIOS updates. That's the main reason I bought it.
The majority of computer gaming cards (by market share) are sold in the $250-$500 range. If AMD can come in and offer a better prospect this range they could, over a few years start to see real movement in the area of market share.
They're trying to fight back against Intel Arc series clawing away the market in that price segment (The entry to mid segment Nvidia doesn't care about).
I used to buy high-end without thinking about it, but the last decade the performance gains are incremental rather than revolutionary. Even right now, I'm scrutinizing every part for a new build I'm considering. I'm even looking if it is worth doing at all, as my current rig is doing very well. I got a 4070 Ti Super after literally running numbers in a spreadsheet. It offered best price-performance ratio. 4080 was only 5% faster at best, but 40% more expensive. 4090 was stupid expensive, and still is. It would only be worth it if I required 24 Gb VRAM, but for my needs, 16 Gb is more than enough. I saved $1500 vs. 4090 - that saving alone about pays for the rest of the upgrade. Crazy.
You came to the same conclusions as I did. I upgraded my GPU from...a GTX Titan 6GB(2012) to the Asus TUF 4070 Ti Super 16GB, I specced out a $1000 GTX Titan GPU in 2012 because I wanted to use it for multiple generations, little did I know I would use it for 12 years. I stopped high end gaming around 2014 so I didn't bother to keep up with the trends. The only reason I even bought a new GPU is for AI tinkering and image generation and the needed Pytorch libs no longer supported the old Kepler generation cards. The only reason I would get a 90 class card like the 4090 is for the 24GB VRAM, the performance while nice isn't worth 2.5-3x the cost, in Canada a 4090 goes for $2500-$3000+ and that's the price of a high end system on it's own. My old rig is still chugging along(64GB 3930K, 2012) and I'm seeing all these stories about defects in Intel CPUs and other issues with AMD which makes me put off getting anything new. Plus inflation doesn't help and I can't justify spending that kind of money without a business case(which I don't have).
@@GamersNexus I want to see a benchmark compared to an ~$810 PC (the cost of the pro after disc drive and stand) since we have directly comparable titles.
@@fredocuomo5386 1. Nobody bought the Neo Geo. The games cost $500 each, adjust that for inflation. 2. PS3's launch price was wildly unpopular, there are still memes floating around from it all these years later. They dropped the price by $100 within the year, and gave away 5 Blu-rays to everyone who bought one, to sweeten the deal. Xbox 360 outsold PS3 significantly for the first half of that generation, the only time Xbox ever outsold PlayStation.
On steam hardware survey the 4090 has 0.96% of market share. The closest amd rival that is not IGPU is the: AMD Radeon RX 580 0.73% market share. Can you blame them for changing their strategy? This is a bloodbath.
@@tamasvarga5905 Not really, and the more the world changes the more you find it doesn’t, AMD has a cost focused attempt to compete at all levels with Nvidia and people don’t care enough about saving money at the halo tiers to be a worthwhile strategy. So they are going to regain market share at the core of the market before going for a fully featured high end card. AMD is not incapable of making good RT cards, they just have been slow to invest the money and die area on their chips for it in an effort to hold a price advantage. They are shifting to focusing on cheap chips to hit the are of the market where there are more people who care about saving money, the kind of people Nvidia has already mostly stopped caring about. AMD is not a company full of marketers, they have engineers too and they are damn good at their jobs as well.
Its sad how so many old sites vanished without letting ppl know before to archive and save stuff too. Plenty of stuff is gone or just in some random guys head, old video or notes or something knows about
hot off the press dang, also hope AMD leaving doesnt mean we dont get well performing GPUs at reasonable prices. not even sure what we're defining as "high end" anymore
I remember a time where a "70 series card" was considered high-end, but now those cards are now considered "mid range" at prices, thet would have gotten you a "80Ti" series in the past
Based on rumors (so grain of salt, though this close to the launch it's relatively safe amount of salt) - "Flagship" RDNA 4 card will have 16GB of GDDR6 20GBps memory and will performance wise be between 7900XT and 7900XTX. Could start a bit lower, because optimizations always take time, but while it might not be "high-end" in end of 2024, it shouldn't be bad. Question is price. Sources vary between 500 and 650 dollars. Oh - also it should almost catch up or at least do a big leap in terms of Ray Tracing compared to NVIDIA (rumors saying that "flagship" should compete easily with RTX 4070 TI in RT)
I don't think that is what that means, that would be commercial suicide for AMD. Based on the rumors, it's just they won't be doing high end flagship GPUs. So, they won't be doing stuff like the 7900 XTX for example. They're not going to try and compete with the 5090 or 5080. They're going to focus on the low end to mid range price range. So, think of like their 7700 XT, 7800 XT, and 7900 GRE in this gen. That is the kind of GPUs that they want to steal the marketshare from Nvidia with. They want to compete with Nvidia's 60 and 70 model cards. That is something they are already doing well, and this new allocation of resources might mean the next gen of mid range GPUs are probably going to be something special.
The strategy for AMD seems sound. They need to substantially improve the $200-$700 market. With more devs optimizing for AMD it will improve their overall performance charts and earn some goodwill since Nvidia doesn't care about that market. TBH it seems clear that the gaming market is an afterthought for Nvidia currently.
AMD's value proposition just isn't good enough. They are trying to keep prices as if GPUs are still being hoarded for crypto even though Ethereum isn't using GPUs anymore. The prices haven't come down at all, and they expect people to buy their stupid cards at inflated prices because slightly cheaper than NVIDIA, but less ray tracing. If reviewers would be honest and just admit it's a shitty value proposition compared to just a couple years ago, maybe we'd have an actually competitive AMD by now.
@@N4CR you can thank god you’re not a VR Simmer, there is no offering for what I need and I got a AMD CPU already, easy to talk a big Game when you can afford to (except for simming I wouldn’t think about upgrading the old 2080 Super I got lying around or consider an AMD.) it’s 4090 or nothing no one in DCS or MSFS world wants to deal with AMD in VR.
@@N4CR enjoy your rasterisation, poor drivers, bad software compatibility, dogshix raytracing etc. but hey u are an amd user, u must only be gaming or otherwise braindead
The issue is, those are just APIs. APIs have layers they have to connect through, and in those layers there's a buttload of non optimized code. Someone needs to do that, but they won't invest a lot of time to cater to 10% of the market.
@@cIappo896 But optimizing that code is not the job of game studios? Or am I wrong here? If you look at a typical Linux distribution, you're going to be using Mesa, and that's where that lives.
It's not just vendors. Every single architecture has quirks that can be addressed differently by devs if they want to. If you go deep in a game engine like UE5 you will find comments like "use this for Turing and newer, for Kepler it crashes, Pascal has a perf degradation etc. GPU vendors do new tricks every generation to squish whatever they can, so there is a lot of weird variety that graphics programmers "pay" for with frustration. And then there are various driver bugs for various architectures and these bugs can change with driver versions...
Many non E have the better audio codec like the steel legend. I want the better audio section which is ACL 1220 or 4080. 1200 is middle and 897 is low end
Man, my 7800xtx has been a dream!!! The only time i had problems was playing helldivers 2 funnily enough. Every other game has been a noce to play. I got it because the linux community singed AMDs praises for so long i thought i should switch. I got a crash yesterday from Insurgency Sandstorm, something something wayland related. It almost felt nostalgic compared to the horror I faced with my previous nvida 3060. Im not good for development, but i am alright at bug reports. Everything I submitted for helldivers 2 was exceptional. Anyway, this is going for way too long. Positive experiences with high end AMD gpus sad to see them go.
any chance this channel start doing a new series of company histories in tech. i personally found the history segment of EK quite interesting as well and i in fact watch Company Man channel specifically for the company histories
As someone with ADHD who often gets distracted and clicks off from watching your videos on news (no offense, good videos bad brain) I found that the history segments about EKWB especially captured my focus and the video in it's entirety held my attention much more than usual. It was an excellent video. I think investigations are one of your strong suits.
Damn, I first head of Anand when I was in Raleigh working for NC State and I think he was still in high school. It was just past the Geocities stage and it was a lot of fun. Very cool.
I feel like AMD should make their laptop CPU graphics solution more compelling, that would do a lot more for market share than releasing more desktop graphics cards. Right now it's pretty common for AMD laptops to also come with mobile GeForce so you can actually game on them and there's no reason it should be that way.
An interesting solution could be for AMD to do graphics with Apple, as Apple's M-series chips have been increasing integrated graphics in interesting ways, and port those products to improve their own integrated graphics for Linux and Windows laptops. Kind of just keep going on with what Apple got out of partnering with AMD in the first place, only bring something back this way.
if AMD actually sold laptops with AMD GPU's in it I'd be intrigued. But to be honest, Nvidia has this market cornered. You'll never get the performance of a discrete card out of the igpu. Even if its a new higher end APU. There are also some weirdness with power consumption, when I was shopping and testing laptops I noticed that the battery life was often times worse running the AMD igpu and turning off the 3050 rather than running the 3050 and turning off the igpu, etc. Not every case, but 100% the case when idling or watching youtube, or web-browsing. From what I can tell if you need a powerful laptop you cross shop the more expensive models which are often only a hundred bucks within the popular entry level markets. At this point, you're already going to be buying an AMD laptop, it'll just have an nvidia gpu in it. Thems the way it is. I wanted to try the framework but could not, would not drop the 1500 dollars on it over better priced options with better hardware (not build quality)
AMD's laptop APUs coming out within the next year are designed to do exactly this. Note that memory bandwidth has improved dramatically in the last couple years, without which this wasn't possible.
Can't blame AMD, ive seen far to many comments along the line of "i was hoping AMD would keep my nvidia purchase price lower" when the only reason nvidia will lower prices is when people dont buy overpriced GPUS with to little VRAM 😂 Edit - typos
This is not "a strategy". Top end RDNA4 simply didn't pan out. It was an ambitious MCM design with silicon interconnects that straddled the MCMs using the same technology that attaches V-Cache to the base chip. Basically this interview is about saving face. RDNA5/UDNA5 will be back in full swing going for the top end.
@@andersjjensen oh yeah this "pivot" definitely is about AMD saving face. My comment was less about AMDs strategy and more about how people who want Nvidia cards will be the ones who moan about this the most 🤣.
@@HappyDrunkGamer They always will. They forget that the reason Pascal was such an absurdly good and "cheap" generation was because AMD was having node issues and hadn't gotten themselves clear of the Global Foundries contract, so Nvidia could go with a very mature trailing TSMC node with stellar yields. But complaining about graphics cards prices has always been a thing. And that's the thing I can't wrap my head around with Nvidia users: Apple dorks see the vulgar price tag as a GOOD thing. They take pride in (being ripped off for) a status symbol. But Nvidia users complain about prices while insisting on not wanting to trade on a single thing, even to the point where they defend Nvidia's shortcomings (a LOT of 3070/3070ti owners aren't particularly happy with 8GB now....). If AMD ever manages to rip the face of Nvidia with raw performance, efficiency and features.... AMD isn't going to be shy about the asking price. Which will probably see a lot of current AMD users shrug and just shop elsewhere.
@@andersjjensen true, the only Nvidia card I can think off that everyone seemed happy with was the 1080ti, which in an ironic twist, Nvidia only released and priced as such, because of AMD as the hype around Vega. Jensen won't fall for that again. Even if it means losing market share for a generation, Nvidia have th cash to suck it up and tempt gamers back the following gen or by pumping needless RTX features into games that cripple performance on AMD and Intel GPUs
yeah.. people deserved that... even amd had a simillar comparative and better value product... people still gonna buy Nvidia anyway... so cant blame them
Steve, thanks for engaging the community with the community poll. Really enjoyed the format, you are doing great at investigative journalism and I can’t wait to see what you produce for us next.
As much as I love the GN deep-dives on things like EK liquidity problems, Intel being clueless about their own products, and Gigabyte/NZXT explosives, it's sad that these companies can't control themselves to the degree that we even need these investigations in the first place.
Honestly, given how AMD performs in ray tracing, and how well (or bad) their upscaler works, it leaving behind the high end is the right choice, unless they manage to improve their performance in these aspects. While many people might disagree, IMO these are fairly important not just for me, but for most people in the high end category, so they will have a hard time competing there with their current offerings.
High end needs some serious remake. Everytime the chip process is smaller, they add more transistors and/or speed increases thus using more power. The power consumption for the 4090 is already critical. I notice on with the Black Myth,Wukong demo on 4K(Ultimate), 576 watt total with no overclock(has an LCD display and framerate was minimal. 19,avg = 25). This is maybe not the peak as that can be higher . So it is best to make mid-range with affordable prices and reasonable power consumption. And come back when Nvidia does not suspect it. Let nvidia sleep for a while.
@@Faselbob It's not well formulated, I'll give you that. For starters, generally upscalers are nice to move the usual framerate into VRR range in top games at high resolutions. Another knob. But then, if you use FSR, that's gonna look shitty and have noticeable artifacts. DLSS isn't perfect, but it's far better at not showing many artifacts. XESS is also okay these days from what I've seen, but from my understanding it has a decent performance impact on non-intel hardware. And who knows if Intel will actually keep the money flowing to that unit.
@@marsdijs9061 Well considering that AMD has been doing this exact same thing for over a decade now and it's only made things worse for them I don't think letting Nvidia sleep is ever going to work for them. As for power consumption the only issue here is having a plug standard that will work for the power needs. People have been grossly under spec-ing their PSU's for years and we are seeing those people get the rude awaking that has been coming for all of those years.
Not thrilled about the lack of AMD Halo products going forward, from a couple perspectives. 1. AMD and Linux work well together and i rarely have problems nowadays. My experience with Nvidia was not comparable. 2. The Framework 16 uses an all-AMD loadout as of now - I really, *really* hope that AMDs decision to abandon the high end doesn't have a negative effect on future GPU releases for the platform.
AMD partners directly with Framework to build out their modular dGPUs for the Framework 16. Problems could range from less models to choose from (a 7700S is the most current model, and many have been hoping for something more powerful already) or, if they're already trimming out High End models, they decide to not made further dGPUs in general for Framework. That's my main fear. But I'll just have to wait and see, like everyone else
Nvidia 2022: 4090 for $1600+ Nvidia 2024: 5090 for $2999 since AMD is out of the high end market.. 5080 for $1999.. & 5070 for $1199 Nvidia 2026: 6090 for your soul.. 6080 for your mind.. & 6070 for your arm The more U buy the more U lose
Its great reward system for their loyal fans isn't it? lol. Nvidia "Thank you for buy our overpriced last generation of cards! for that we will increase the next generation card price by $400-$600. We here at Nvidia thanks you so much for your loyalty... LMAO
The EK report you did was truly amazing! So glad you guys did that, I doubt there is another channel team which could have done it to that standard. Great work again guys, much love and kudos!
Buy 1030 instead! It is some what cheaper! 😂 In reality buy 8800XT and if enough people do it aka AMD would get 50% from 20% they have now… NVIDIA could reduce their prices to get market share back…
EK (surprisingly) did not own any fabrication machinery & relied on suppliers to make every item. Most of their offices were also rentals. Unless they owned millions worth of office equipment, they can't declare much as far as traditional types of depreciation go.
@@RM1969RM if everything is rental then it's scuffed yes. But I'm going to go off on a limb here and presume that they do actually own physical stuff and that can be amortized and stuff, hell probably even inventory can be. Anyway on face value those numbers aren't egregious. I don't know Slovenian law. It can be bad, it can be nothing.
@@TheHighborn I agree. I just wanted to point out the rental element of their structure. PS. There is something I can't figure out: do electronic components in warehouse follow the depreciation curves (hence tax write offs) or do they follow market valuation themes (which can end up adding to their tax due to increased valuations of unused components made for older computer hardware due to low supply)?
I think learning about the company history was really really valuable It made me see EK in a completely different light than what I'd seen them in, both before and after their downfall
Honestly we need Intel in the market, even just mid range would work for now just to force AMD to actually bother competing against Nvidia and give us worthwhile products that don't rely on being slightly cheaper to make up for the performance gap.
@@ac8598 they're basically just giving them away to get their foot into the door. Don't expect that to continue if they actually make something worthwhile.
Revolute is a digital-only bank from the UK (It has an EU subsidairy because of brexit) that just VERY recently got its banking license. Make from that what you will.
Revolut got the UK banking license recently, but it had one in Lithuania for years. It's a regular bank, covered by the deposit guarantee and all other EU regulations. It's not like PayPal. It's just that it's easy to open an account there, and they are probably trying to open up many accounts and use them before they get blocked.
Love the videos. You guys are now a big voice for consumers! Really appreciate all the work your doing. Without your investigation we would not see big corps do anything for the issues you reported!
Keep up the great work, guys! You're setting a fantastic example! I wish I could give more! Oh, quick idea, trimmable mod mats. None of yours will fit either of my carts I work on, but just by an inch±. If two sides had some "ribs" along them for like 2-3", you coukd use them as guides to cut the mat to fit. Idk, just an idea. I would like to get one from you, but they just wouldn't get used unfortunately. Anyway thanks ya'llz!
AMDs wording is problematic. All they talk about / mention is providing gaming support and leave professional applications out of the conversation. Nvidias performance & features in professional applications has always been better. Its the biggest reason AMD is 2nd best and so unpopular by comparison. You'd think they figure that out?
I dunno man, I have to think people who need professional features, while they certainly do exist, have to be a relatively small fraction of the total market. Certainly not the "biggest reason". You can't realistically tell me you look at the steam survey and go "yeah they're all animating". I have to imagine the biggest reason is that brand perception and brand loyalty are really hard things to change.
@@GhengisJohn Gamers are surprisingly myopic.The world of content creators, photo editors, regular people that edit their cell phone videos, the list goes on and on. The world doesn't revolve around gaming, thank God. We'd be moving backward if it did.
@freedomearthmoon1 Uh huh. "Regular people who edit their cell phone videos" are picking their card based on professional features. Have you spoken to "regular" people? I have worked selling electronics. They tend to struggle with things like file types or need the difference between a Playstation 4 and a Playstation 5 explained to them and you imagine they're picking their video cards based on "professional features"? You are delusional.
@@freedomearthmoon1Lol yeah okay 👍 , while gaming market is nearly $300 billion globaly, your idea of professional applications doesn't even come near that.
@@sammasic5849 your on drugs, Who buys the most from Nvidia? AI start-ups, companies trying to add AI to their products and venture capital firms are all trying to get their hands on Nvidia's chips, driving up their price. But the biggest buyers are Big Tech companies Microsoft, Amazon, Meta and Google that need the chips to build and train their own AI models.Jun 27, 2024
In the poll i voted for no recap thinking it was just going to be a rehash of the previous ek vids but while watching i realized it was different from what i had in mind, so this is me admitting that i was wrong and that the 'recap' was a great primer for the rest of the vid and it all flowed really well
I don't get people complaining about amd dropping high end. The market share for 7900xt and xtx is essentially 0. They should be conserving money and resources where they can and focusing more on R&D to try and get back on top, not wasting it making high-end gear no one is buying. People are weird, and dumb. Don't get me wrong, I'm using a 7900xt and I'm kinda sad but like, give them time. This every 1 or 2 here's a new product line is stupid. There's almost no noteworthy change other than power draw approaching the point a PC will need a dedicated power plant just to turn on.
The rx 7600 shouldn't even exist yet they launched it at a horrible price and it's a garbage barge and it will make it's comeback with the rx 8000 series slightly better.
because these nvidia idiots want amd to lose money on products that not many are buying so it will bring down nvidias pricing but that hasnt happened . idiots
@jasonvors1922 yup. The 7800 and 7900 are the only cards from 7000 worth buying. The lower ones are just crap and if this is really where AMDs GPU division is at then they need to stop and take time to make a real improvement on their architecture before releasing anything in a real volume again. Especially high end.
I mean as long as the long term plan is to come back to the high end market, then yeah. nVidia's monopoly on the high end market just means they will continue to raise prices which sucks for those of us that do 4k high refresh gaming and content creation (CUDA) because a mid-range card just will not do.
To anyone crying about AMD giving up on the high end... did you guys buy AMD's high end products? We all want competition, but nobody wants to buy the competition.
@@UNOwenWasMe the general point stil lstands, for all the talk that nvidia is the worst thing on the planet, people buy up those products because they offer more, and what they do they do better than amd. it sucks but such is the situation we find ourselves in.
Guess my 6900XT will need to survive for a few more years. My last NVidia card was a GeForce 4 Ti4600, back in 2003, and after 3 MSI units failed on me, I've moved to an ATi Radeon 9200, and I never looked back to them.
Very similar story here. The first real video card I had was a GeForce FX5200, it died on me after less than a year, and after limping along with a MX440 from the recycling - rife with driver problems NVidia introduced right before declaring it "legacy" - I got a Radeon 9250, which cost peanuts and was useful until I ran out of AGP boards to put it in. Ever since then most of the things I hear about the NVidia lifestyle are just... "you live like this??" I want my next GPU to be boring and uneventful, the equivalent of a desktop monitor, not an AI-upscaling fake-200Hz Smart TV. The announcement is exactly the sort of thing I wanted to hear.
Yeah, this will have the impact of people looking at best of the best, seeing AMD's "best" is blown out of the water by Team Green and deciding AMD must be shit.
@@Pers0n97 You did not understand their comment at all. AMD’s “best” is going to be 5070-tier, if even. People will see that and assume AMD [Radeon] is a shit/low end brand.
@@LeftJoystick It will all depend on the price. If they are 5070 tier but cost 33% less (which they probably easily could), they will be see as the smarter gaming rig.
@GamersNexus atleast when your company conducts constant surveillance, I get some excellent journalism out of the deal. Seems a lot better of a deal than being constantly monitored for IoT devices to work.
But they haven't changed their strategy in over a decade. Ever since Vega failed they have used the excuse of "sweet spots" and "value" to try and paper over the constant shortcomings of their hardware. Meanwhile the market as clearly replied that when faced with only two GPU makers people are not going to willingly choose the lesser hardware.
@@Hybris51129 But people do just that. Take a look at Steam survive data. Amount of 3050 there is just crazy, that card is crap and need DLSS just to catch up with cheaper 6600. RT? Both cards can only dream about it. Same with 3060, 67(50) was cheaper, 30% faster so again you need upscaling just to get to radeon performance and stil people bought 3060. Because of RT? It's not that faster in it at all. So no, market obviously is willing to choose the lesser hardware. Somebody said it already here, AMD main issue is that people are morons.
@@gorjy9610 And yet instead of providing products that can attract those "morons" they simply give up and leave the money on the table for Nvidia. Again I don't think the 3050/60 owners are the morons here only the people that try to justify AMD's anti-consumer actions in leaving the duopoly.
Literally one in one million gamers cares about high-end gpus. What people is looking for good quality and decent performance. So makes sense to abandon it and make it for everyone affordable gpus.
Hearting because it's a good question. I don't think the 13/14 series has anything to do with Arc, so personally, I wouldn't hold it against the Arc team. Makes more sense to weigh Arc's actions against itself. The Arc GPUs had a rough launch, have gotten way better, but still have compatibility issues. That's what they'll have to overcome.
The only thing I like about Intel processors right now is you, can build a feasible gaming PC for $500 with 12100F + A750/6600. Wish AMD had a sub modern $100 processor with enough PCIe lanes and cheap motherboards with wifi, and NVIDIA/AMD had a half decent sub $200 graphics card like Arc A750.
Really glad to see you speak on Anandtech, as well as your personal interactions with him and another industry legend. Can't imagine riding into an event with those 2 next to me. Preservation of not just hardware, but the tomes worth of knowledge that very much serves as a very good learning material to this day. I volt modded my HD4850 from information I grabbed there. Amazing publication, and I hope you among a few others are looked back on in a similar light, lots of effort being poured into getting the numbers right, and being fair is something I'll always respect.
Most less educated consumers will look ONLY at flagship products. That means NVIDIA cards will get top billing. AMD only focusing on the mid-range graphics cards, gives NVIDIA an easy victory until RDNA5.
Yes! because INtel is trustworthy company who sells million of defective chips and refuse a recall. I would not buy anything from them right now. they have put profits above quality like most american corporation now.
Oh god "Tech Report" I haven't heard that name in many many moons. I don't know what it is today, but way back the forums where an amazing place to learn & get help.
Back to normal! We have two case reviews coming up -- both are good cases. Really excited about that, especially because one of them has a 3D airflow animation in it. We've been experimenting with those for helping with understanding/educational material lately and have really liked it.
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is there a intel microcode video coming up? i havent updated mine since i thought there was a video coming
History = context. Without context, EK's actions (or really any other company/nation-state, shout-out to the History of Everything YT channel) make little sense.
@@spg3331 Hoping to work on Intel ucode again soon! We'll see
Solid news , solid Ethics
Antec? 😏
surely Nvidia will keep prices fair with AMD out of the high end GPU space... :/
Monopoly timeeeee
The more you buy, the more you save. The more you buy, the more you save. The more you buy, the more you save. The more you buy, the more you save.
Nvidia holds such an unsurpassed majority of the market already, with the 4090 being largely unbothered by the 7900XTX that it doesn't really matter to them what price AMD has on their highest end card. Even the 4080 (VRAM aside) is more favourable due to it's better upscaling and RT support.
I can see... In the future...
$3k for 5090, 8 GB
$5k for 5090 ti 17.5GB
Remember, Big brother once said "the more you buy, the more you save".
They haven't kept prices Fair since the pandemic. The New Normal is overcharging for everything. Most people have just become accustomed to it since there's nothing we can do about it.
RIP Anand and The Tech Report used to always be open in my tabs, then all the good writers left...
Yeah this is sad
Tech Report has been a zombie site for years at this point, and it still makes me sad. Their early investigations into frame times and frame pacing ("Inside the second") were some of the most eye-opening and impactful gaming/tech related journalism I've ever read.
Nothing lasts forever. The first major loss in the tech scene was the closure of [H]ard|OCP back in the day. While that was a result of Kyle accepting a position at Intel, it is inevitable that all the tech sites will face eventual closure of their traditional web presence. All the others like Tom's Hardware et al. will follow in time.
The reason is that people aren't interested in reading articles anymore, or interminably paging through ad-laden reviews. We lack attention span these days - if you don't offer easily-digestible sound-bitey video content then your business model won't stand the test of time.
anandtech stopped becoming relevant and anything else but a access journalism ad frontend 10+ years ago, same goes for Toms Hardware etc... so this was long overdue.
I still miss HardOCP.
Huge compliments to Vitalii, TIm, and Andrew on the editing of the most recent EK video as well. The production value was fantastic and after rewatching it a second time I really appreciated the work they did.
I am passing this along!
16:53 Forcing manufacturers to publish life expectancy for devices is an absolute must. Hope they make it happen.
But life expectancy is EXPECTANCY, which is basically a guess.
Customers can and will use it against every company.
That's why there's warranty.
@@Helliox "Use it against every company" you mean hold them to their own standards? The horror.
This is a tough standard to implement. The term 'life expectancy' is very ambiguous. Are we talking solely the amount of time that the device will be functional, functional at a certain standard or level, or the time that updates will be available for the device.
We need guaranteed operation estimates, any failure within that that isn't from an act of God, should be replaced free.
Those PIRG people are heroes, remembering from their interview in the Asus controversy. Super educated and knowledgeable caring people. Not many Louis Rossman type people out there that dedicate their time to teaching others how to protect themselves against scummy practices and advocate for them
Thanks!
@@nathanproctor6174 Woah it's the real guy himself! Thank you for your work
I put on the EK expose as a background video while playing some ubislop. I then watched it again, this time paying attention on the tv with a large bag of snacks at hand. It is a masterpiece of journalism and I hope it's just the start for GN. Outstanding work.
Thank you. Will try to keep investing effort into those big stories!
Ubislop lmao
AAAA gaming
I also hope you guys keep up content like this - it's so incredibly well done and refreshing to see objective takes on actual evidence.
what kind of snacks?
AMD giving up on high end sucks man. Will only promote Nvidia's monopoly on enthusiast level builds, just when with 6900xtx and 7900xtx made them viable high end options if you did not want to pay the absurd prices nvidia asks for their top end. Such a shame
I assume u meant the 6950xt
Most people don’t buy those though
Thats what i thought
Nvidia gonna monopoly this one
I hope something unwanted not gonna happen
Especially world is all about money 😭😭
Just bad sales, you can see how bad by checking the Steam hardware survey
Very few AMD GPUs
Does not matter fans, gamers buy NVidia anyway.
The issue with AMDs strategy of focusing on the mid-range is that less informed consumers often look at the flagships when making buying decisions. That's the reason these "halo products" exist: to improve brand image and drive sales, while the real profit is made from high-volume mid-range offerings.
That's the concern for sure! Feels like newer or less tuned-in consumers see the shiny stuff first and filter in from there.
@@GamersNexus I work for 2 pc building businesses. Far too often clients opt for high end Nvidia on name alone. “Big number” syndrome I call it.
I think if they really make a gpu in the midrange that really is a deal. It can overcome that. But that price has to be right
Died 2019
Born 2024
Welcome back Polaris
Yes! They need flagship GPUs to draw eyes to their product line, even if those parts themselves are not big sellers.
That's actually one of the scarier parts for me is that most of the online publications and websites especially from the early 2000s are now gone for me.
One of the questions I answered during a job interview back in the day was how do I stay informed on changing tech news… my answer included Anandtech and Tom’s Hardware. I got the gig. Loved the technical deep dives in those articles and now I am here. Keep up the good work my friends.
Man mentions some over the top toothbrush during this, and I get an ad for a bougie toothbrush called the Quip 360 during this. Thanks Steve.
hahaha. The algorithms are crazy
i have that toothbrush
I have the version made by a gigantic Swiss food conglomerate: Nestle's Quip.
Back to you, Steve
@@davidg3944 Obligatory reminder that Nestle should always be boycotted - they own sl4v3s (YT deletes comments without the 1337 speak), a cartel and have 4ssasinat3d people for trying to expose them.
Company history made that video. Knowing who EK was makes me even more upset that these handful of people have destroyed such a hand-built business.
Everything always goes to shit when the visionary founder steps away.
the only person I found to really blame for what happened here is Mitrović. that guy played the dirtiest of games while pretending he cared about EK legacy. he pulled the most money to his own pocket from the company and still remains at helm while doing so. Konig is also a guilty party for not parting his ways with him or rather for getting him in the company portfolio in the first place. the other two that were US based didn't actually matter as much as these two guys but primary suspect is Mitrović in my opinion. he's the reason solvency ever became an issue and workers not getting paid are because of him directly.
@@inkredebilchina9699 (((silberstein)))
He never stepped away, he was always there.@@xQuandaleDinglex
@@xQuandaleDinglex Starting and leading a venture is not insignificant, but few meaningful things are built on one exceptional person. GamersNexus often talks about meeting engineers, "the guys on the ground," who are clearly very competent and invested in their work.
The problem isn't that they lack a "visionary" to direct them, it's the new people in charge. Capricious fools who run every business that gets acquired into the ground in a fit of rabid greed and cruelty.
I loved the format of the ek video and especially loved the nick names of the characters. It made it much easier to follow the "players"
Thank you! Glad that storytelling helped, as it was very confusing to follow for us originally!
@@GamersNexus now if I could just get them to RMA my 2 water blocks that are seeping before the remaining characters disappear and end up sipping adult beverages on the beach in Cambodia that would be great lol
I'm happy the FTC is getting involved. I had a sprinkler system for years. After a few years, they said I had to buy a subscription to keep using my sprinkler system. I ended up with a different sprinkler system. It made more sense financially.
A subscription...FOR YOUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM!?!? What are they going to do if you stop paying? Turn it off??? Ridiculous. You made the right choice, I'm sure.
Why on earth would you get a sprinkler system connected to internet?
I would imagine it wouldn't be that hard to jailbreak that
Save water. Let God water your lawn whenever He feels like it, or let Mother Nature do the same, if you swing that way.
Definitely don't the Devi- uhh Internet water your lawn.
@@GraeTendo manmade droughts throw a wrench in the works in some areas, but I get what you mean. Handing off watering duties to some centralized system that's always looking for new ways to squeeze money out of you is not the way to go.
RIP Anandtech.. I remember finding him right as he got started. I was new in the Air Force and just put together a computer and had a dial up modem. I remember being impressed with his reviews and kind of followed all these years.
LOVE THE FORMAT KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
love the shirt steve! also met a guy in public with one of the disappointment builds shirts and had to chat with him. cool dude.
hahaha! That's awesome!
There were a times where Anand Tech and Toms Hardware was all, RIP!
That EK video is honestly incredible. Stuff like that is kinda why I don't think YT is a total lost cause. Would never see that kinda quality on regular TV, not intentionally.
When Steve’s hair finally goes full silver fox, he will transition from Tech Jesus to Tech God the Father.
He can join Lord GabeN atop the PC gaming heavens
He should sport an eye patch and ascend to Tech Allfather, Tech Odin
He, and always will be the Tech Split End. He should get a damned haircut already.
He looks like a Witcher side character
@@jesperburns Tech Odin is good, lol. Eye patch mandatory.
Welcome back Steve. We missed you.
Thank you! Glad to be back to normal coverage!
It's so freaking weird to see my own obscure language, spoken by about 2 million people worldwide, featured this prominently on the very first news update. Will definitely give your EK piece a long look now, that you mentioned you also go into its history and background, since I'm pretty damn curious now for not just 1 obvious reason (I like computer hardware stuff and playing LEGOs with it as a manchild) but now 2 after seeing my country this notably involved in a GamersNexus story lol.
trust me, it's a worthy watch. also: pozdrav iz Hrvatske ^^
AMD partnering with EVGA for some real solid 6,7,8 cards would make me so happy
That would be am INCREDIBLE comeback. :)
That would be just cope.
@@chronozetaunfortunately yeah
evga would have to hire a ton of people
Except EVGA was never high end but overhyped and overpriced. Lots of RMA returns.
An EVGA 384 bit, 24GB 7800XT would be amazing
“It can run Crysis! Only gamers ge…” I’M DEAD.
Can we have a full case review with Tech Steve using only numbers and emoji faces?
🤔
Damn and you thought the 4090 was ridiculously expensive? Wait till the 5090 and beyond 😭
$2500sih
CEO = Cat Executive Officer
Catbert is actually the director of HR
Steve: "I really like the format and I want to use it again..."
Tech Hardware News Industry : **sweats profusely**
all jokes aside lol, I really appreciate the work y'all put into actual journalism and your commitment to journalistic integrity. please keep up the good work!~
Will you interview Ross Scott on Stop Killing Games campaign
We want to work with him on something! Not sure what yet.
Seconded. The sooner GN can cover this, the better.
@@GamersNexus If you do, I really hope you will look into all the underhanded tactics he intends to use, like outright lying to make his case, the game he build the entire EU initiative on, he claims had 12 million players, at the time it was shut down after 10 years, when the car licenses would have to be renewed, it had less than 100 people playing it, he is not someone to be trusted, nor worthy of having on your channel in my humble opinion, if the initiative passes as it is written, it will effectively shut down every single game that dares to have any multiplayer components ever.
I can hear Pirate Software reeee-ing as we speak.
@@MrsMaisie he is referring to minimum ownership, not concurrent player counts. since you cannot define when someone is "done" with a game, I think it is just as accurate to refer to it this way. 12 million is a low estimate for the number of copies that will be rendered inoperable.
think about it like this: you are not using your can opener right now. but that doesn't mean you never use it, and it doesn't mean you should never be able to never use it again. the same is true for any other product. we cannot be playing every game we own at all times.
I'm here if you have any more questions. thank you for your interest in the subject.
That PIRG letter to the FTC is amazing. A lot of those devices I am actually familiar with too, and it stands to reason that EVERY company is either responsible for maintaining their servers, or pushing a patch that no longer requires them at all.
I'm really hoping that a patch can be pushed in time for the Spotify Car Thing, that way I can keep using it after it's "discontinued"
On the EK tax filing, the value reduction in the tax paper work (for sections II.3 and II.2) on the machines and buildings could also be due to depreciation, not necessarily a sale of assets.
AMD reverting to the Polaris days honestly isn’t a bad idea for them, but man NVIDIA’s gonna milk that for all its worth. Hopefully their 9000 series shows a 6000/7000 series comeback.
RX580 aged extremely well, still can run almost anything pretty well. Meanwhile the GTX1060 is just bad.
RT is still hugely overhyped and an insane waste of resources. I have absolutely no problem with Nvidia milking the audience that think stuff like RT is mandatory
Don't forget that AMD isn't the only one not targeting the high end with GPUs, AMD is most likely focusing RDNA4 on giving the imminent 2nd gen Intel GPUs a good smackdown.
Yup I agree. If they can offer a good midrange for a very aggressive price, RDNA 4 could be sell very well for AMD. Rumors seem to be that they worked hard on RT performance too. Only thing that could be a problem is their upscaling technology, but who knows, maybe they will have something in the oven already. I'm really curios how this will play out for them.
7000 series is bad cause there is a 5 to 10% improvements only
PLEASE let that letter to the FTC happen. When buying a product for the promised features are taken away or changing them to subscription is atrocious. I bought the product to do X things that were offered and changing the device to no longer do those things in the way advertised is ethically wrong, if not legally. Changing them in that way completely changes what I paid for. I'm fine with them changing it going forward for anyone buying that product as of the change, but I should be grandfather in to the functionality when I bought it with continued support for those features.
Asrock did that to us with the X470 Taichi motherboard. They disabled the external clock generator in later BIOS updates. That's the main reason I bought it.
Yes! It's a form of bait switch!
What are u talking about
The majority of computer gaming cards (by market share) are sold in the $250-$500 range. If AMD can come in and offer a better prospect this range they could, over a few years start to see real movement in the area of market share.
I mean that's been their strategy the whole time, it's not like it's some bold new move for them
If they can price cheaper then 5070 with performance between 5070 and 5080 they will take over next generation no problem
They're trying to fight back against Intel Arc series clawing away the market in that price segment (The entry to mid segment Nvidia doesn't care about).
@@CreatingCarnage1 it won't be hard to undercut a card that's probably gonna be 900 dollars
I used to buy high-end without thinking about it, but the last decade the performance gains are incremental rather than revolutionary. Even right now, I'm scrutinizing every part for a new build I'm considering. I'm even looking if it is worth doing at all, as my current rig is doing very well. I got a 4070 Ti Super after literally running numbers in a spreadsheet. It offered best price-performance ratio. 4080 was only 5% faster at best, but 40% more expensive. 4090 was stupid expensive, and still is. It would only be worth it if I required 24 Gb VRAM, but for my needs, 16 Gb is more than enough. I saved $1500 vs. 4090 - that saving alone about pays for the rest of the upgrade. Crazy.
You came to the same conclusions as I did.
I upgraded my GPU from...a GTX Titan 6GB(2012) to the Asus TUF 4070 Ti Super 16GB, I specced out a $1000 GTX Titan GPU in 2012 because I wanted to use it for multiple generations, little did I know I would use it for 12 years.
I stopped high end gaming around 2014 so I didn't bother to keep up with the trends.
The only reason I even bought a new GPU is for AI tinkering and image generation and the needed Pytorch libs no longer supported the old Kepler generation cards.
The only reason I would get a 90 class card like the 4090 is for the 24GB VRAM, the performance while nice isn't worth 2.5-3x the cost, in Canada a 4090 goes for $2500-$3000+ and that's the price of a high end system on it's own.
My old rig is still chugging along(64GB 3930K, 2012) and I'm seeing all these stories about defects in Intel CPUs and other issues with AMD which makes me put off getting anything new.
Plus inflation doesn't help and I can't justify spending that kind of money without a business case(which I don't have).
19:51 we already live in a cyberpunk dystopia, tbh
Facts
I was hoping you'd talk about the PS5 Pro "technical details" video with Mark Cerny, the cost, and the public reaction.
Maybe next episode!
Next episode!
@@GamersNexus 🙏
@@GamersNexus I want to see a benchmark compared to an ~$810 PC (the cost of the pro after disc drive and stand) since we have directly comparable titles.
ps3 launch price in todays dollars is $934..neo geo launch price in todays dollars is $1581..$700 ps5 pro isnt that bad
@@fredocuomo5386 1. Nobody bought the Neo Geo. The games cost $500 each, adjust that for inflation.
2. PS3's launch price was wildly unpopular, there are still memes floating around from it all these years later. They dropped the price by $100 within the year, and gave away 5 Blu-rays to everyone who bought one, to sweeten the deal. Xbox 360 outsold PS3 significantly for the first half of that generation, the only time Xbox ever outsold PlayStation.
On steam hardware survey the 4090 has 0.96% of market share.
The closest amd rival that is not IGPU is the:
AMD Radeon RX 580 0.73% market share.
Can you blame them for changing their strategy? This is a bloodbath.
That GPU was before the RTX era.
@@tamasvarga5905that’s the point.
1% is actually quite a lot given how much it costs. My 7900XT is so unpopular it's not even listed in the steam hardware survey LOL.
@@alexmills1329 the point is that the world has changed and you cant go back.
@@tamasvarga5905 Not really, and the more the world changes the more you find it doesn’t, AMD has a cost focused attempt to compete at all levels with Nvidia and people don’t care enough about saving money at the halo tiers to be a worthwhile strategy. So they are going to regain market share at the core of the market before going for a fully featured high end card. AMD is not incapable of making good RT cards, they just have been slow to invest the money and die area on their chips for it in an effort to hold a price advantage. They are shifting to focusing on cheap chips to hit the are of the market where there are more people who care about saving money, the kind of people Nvidia has already mostly stopped caring about. AMD is not a company full of marketers, they have engineers too and they are damn good at their jobs as well.
It’s really sad nobody wants any in-depth cpu architecture articles anymore. Makes me feel lonely
Its sad how so many old sites vanished without letting ppl know before to archive and save stuff too. Plenty of stuff is gone or just in some random guys head, old video or notes or something knows about
I loved the video! My partner and I needed some Mule mugs, so we bought yours to support your amazing work.
hot off the press dang, also hope AMD leaving doesnt mean we dont get well performing GPUs at reasonable prices. not even sure what we're defining as "high end" anymore
Let’s hope they meant high end pricing lol
I remember a time where a "70 series card" was considered high-end, but now those cards are now considered "mid range" at prices, thet would have gotten you a "80Ti" series in the past
Based on rumors (so grain of salt, though this close to the launch it's relatively safe amount of salt) - "Flagship" RDNA 4 card will have 16GB of GDDR6 20GBps memory and will performance wise be between 7900XT and 7900XTX. Could start a bit lower, because optimizations always take time, but while it might not be "high-end" in end of 2024, it shouldn't be bad. Question is price. Sources vary between 500 and 650 dollars.
Oh - also it should almost catch up or at least do a big leap in terms of Ray Tracing compared to NVIDIA (rumors saying that "flagship" should compete easily with RTX 4070 TI in RT)
I don't think that is what that means, that would be commercial suicide for AMD. Based on the rumors, it's just they won't be doing high end flagship GPUs. So, they won't be doing stuff like the 7900 XTX for example. They're not going to try and compete with the 5090 or 5080. They're going to focus on the low end to mid range price range. So, think of like their 7700 XT, 7800 XT, and 7900 GRE in this gen. That is the kind of GPUs that they want to steal the marketshare from Nvidia with. They want to compete with Nvidia's 60 and 70 model cards. That is something they are already doing well, and this new allocation of resources might mean the next gen of mid range GPUs are probably going to be something special.
means anything with 900 and a lot of X's in the name, RX 8800 XT is already confirmed.
28:26 It’s perfect. He’s mastered it.
I have to thank Kepler_L2 for singlehandedly forcing me to learn how to "quote" that emoji.
The strategy for AMD seems sound. They need to substantially improve the $200-$700 market. With more devs optimizing for AMD it will improve their overall performance charts and earn some goodwill since Nvidia doesn't care about that market. TBH it seems clear that the gaming market is an afterthought for Nvidia currently.
I really appreciated the extra introduction in the EK investigation video. It genuinely helped me keep track of everything in the rest of the video.
12:52 My first gpu was the 270x. Played through tomb raider 2013 1080p high settings. Great times.
The people who only cheered for AMD to keep Nvidia high-end prices in check and buy Nvidia got their way.
AMD's value proposition just isn't good enough. They are trying to keep prices as if GPUs are still being hoarded for crypto even though Ethereum isn't using GPUs anymore. The prices haven't come down at all, and they expect people to buy their stupid cards at inflated prices because slightly cheaper than NVIDIA, but less ray tracing. If reviewers would be honest and just admit it's a shitty value proposition compared to just a couple years ago, maybe we'd have an actually competitive AMD by now.
Yeah I'm laughing now, got an XTX and will be set for ages. They can enjoy their 1500 dollar 16gb 5080s lmao.
@@N4CR you can thank god you’re not a VR Simmer, there is no offering for what I need and I got a AMD CPU already, easy to talk a big Game when you can afford to (except for simming I wouldn’t think about upgrading the old 2080 Super I got lying around or consider an AMD.) it’s 4090 or nothing no one in DCS or MSFS world wants to deal with AMD in VR.
@@z33r0now3 YEP unfortunately, its often the niche group/mostly affected
@@N4CR enjoy your rasterisation, poor drivers, bad software compatibility, dogshix raytracing etc. but hey u are an amd user, u must only be gaming or otherwise braindead
11:45 considering that things like Vulkan, OpenGL, etc. exist, it would be great if there was no need to optimize for a vendor in the first place.
OpenCL is the one that would've filled that hole, but it's super dead.
The issue is, those are just APIs. APIs have layers they have to connect through, and in those layers there's a buttload of non optimized code. Someone needs to do that, but they won't invest a lot of time to cater to 10% of the market.
@@cIappo896 But optimizing that code is not the job of game studios? Or am I wrong here? If you look at a typical Linux distribution, you're going to be using Mesa, and that's where that lives.
It's not just vendors. Every single architecture has quirks that can be addressed differently by devs if they want to. If you go deep in a game engine like UE5 you will find comments like "use this for Turing and newer, for Kepler it crashes, Pascal has a perf degradation etc. GPU vendors do new tricks every generation to squish whatever they can, so there is a lot of weird variety that graphics programmers "pay" for with frustration. And then there are various driver bugs for various architectures and these bugs can change with driver versions...
"X870" is the same chip as B650E, that's why it has the same amount of lanes. They're selling a B series chipset at halo prices.
I don't know why anyone would buy a non E mobo.
It's terrible value for money
No they're not the extra lanes are used for ubs 4. Then you end up with the same lanes after that take up.
Many non E have the better audio codec like the steel legend. I want the better audio section which is ACL 1220 or 4080.
1200 is middle and 897 is low end
Just buy it!
@@russellbower2557steel legend x670E is alc 1220
Also commenting again. the format for EK Video was SO great and was really well done from editing to the 3D Scenes DO MORE!
Please keep the background info coming. You are providing a great service.
Man, my 7800xtx has been a dream!!!
The only time i had problems was playing helldivers 2 funnily enough.
Every other game has been a noce to play.
I got it because the linux community singed AMDs praises for so long i thought i should switch.
I got a crash yesterday from Insurgency Sandstorm, something something wayland related.
It almost felt nostalgic compared to the horror I faced with my previous nvida 3060.
Im not good for development, but i am alright at bug reports. Everything I submitted for helldivers 2 was exceptional.
Anyway, this is going for way too long.
Positive experiences with high end AMD gpus sad to see them go.
any chance this channel start doing a new series of company histories in tech. i personally found the history segment of EK quite interesting as well and i in fact watch Company Man channel specifically for the company histories
Definitely something we've talked about!
Anandtech, Tom's Hardware, and HardOCP were my go-tos back in the early and mid 2000's!
Xtremesystems too.
Anandtech, Tom's Hardware, and Linux Format, might as well have alternated as my home page!
Yet all of them were junk. Hardocp especially.
CPU magazine
As someone with ADHD who often gets distracted and clicks off from watching your videos on news (no offense, good videos bad brain) I found that the history segments about EKWB especially captured my focus and the video in it's entirety held my attention much more than usual. It was an excellent video. I think investigations are one of your strong suits.
Damn, I first head of Anand when I was in Raleigh working for NC State and I think he was still in high school. It was just past the Geocities stage and it was a lot of fun. Very cool.
9:15 Ah, Juicero, that's a name I haven't heard in years. The glorified Water Cooler (except with their proprietary juice bags).
I feel like AMD should make their laptop CPU graphics solution more compelling, that would do a lot more for market share than releasing more desktop graphics cards. Right now it's pretty common for AMD laptops to also come with mobile GeForce so you can actually game on them and there's no reason it should be that way.
people will continue to buy the laptops with Nvidia Gpus anyway because of the brand image
An interesting solution could be for AMD to do graphics with Apple, as Apple's M-series chips have been increasing integrated graphics in interesting ways, and port those products to improve their own integrated graphics for Linux and Windows laptops. Kind of just keep going on with what Apple got out of partnering with AMD in the first place, only bring something back this way.
if AMD actually sold laptops with AMD GPU's in it I'd be intrigued. But to be honest, Nvidia has this market cornered. You'll never get the performance of a discrete card out of the igpu. Even if its a new higher end APU. There are also some weirdness with power consumption, when I was shopping and testing laptops I noticed that the battery life was often times worse running the AMD igpu and turning off the 3050 rather than running the 3050 and turning off the igpu, etc. Not every case, but 100% the case when idling or watching youtube, or web-browsing.
From what I can tell if you need a powerful laptop you cross shop the more expensive models which are often only a hundred bucks within the popular entry level markets. At this point, you're already going to be buying an AMD laptop, it'll just have an nvidia gpu in it. Thems the way it is. I wanted to try the framework but could not, would not drop the 1500 dollars on it over better priced options with better hardware (not build quality)
AMD's laptop APUs coming out within the next year are designed to do exactly this. Note that memory bandwidth has improved dramatically in the last couple years, without which this wasn't possible.
Can't blame AMD, ive seen far to many comments along the line of "i was hoping AMD would keep my nvidia purchase price lower" when the only reason nvidia will lower prices is when people dont buy overpriced GPUS with to little VRAM 😂
Edit - typos
This is not "a strategy". Top end RDNA4 simply didn't pan out. It was an ambitious MCM design with silicon interconnects that straddled the MCMs using the same technology that attaches V-Cache to the base chip. Basically this interview is about saving face. RDNA5/UDNA5 will be back in full swing going for the top end.
@@andersjjensen oh yeah this "pivot" definitely is about AMD saving face. My comment was less about AMDs strategy and more about how people who want Nvidia cards will be the ones who moan about this the most 🤣.
@@HappyDrunkGamer They always will. They forget that the reason Pascal was such an absurdly good and "cheap" generation was because AMD was having node issues and hadn't gotten themselves clear of the Global Foundries contract, so Nvidia could go with a very mature trailing TSMC node with stellar yields. But complaining about graphics cards prices has always been a thing. And that's the thing I can't wrap my head around with Nvidia users: Apple dorks see the vulgar price tag as a GOOD thing. They take pride in (being ripped off for) a status symbol. But Nvidia users complain about prices while insisting on not wanting to trade on a single thing, even to the point where they defend Nvidia's shortcomings (a LOT of 3070/3070ti owners aren't particularly happy with 8GB now....). If AMD ever manages to rip the face of Nvidia with raw performance, efficiency and features.... AMD isn't going to be shy about the asking price. Which will probably see a lot of current AMD users shrug and just shop elsewhere.
@@andersjjensen true, the only Nvidia card I can think off that everyone seemed happy with was the 1080ti, which in an ironic twist, Nvidia only released and priced as such, because of AMD as the hype around Vega. Jensen won't fall for that again. Even if it means losing market share for a generation, Nvidia have th cash to suck it up and tempt gamers back the following gen or by pumping needless RTX features into games that cripple performance on AMD and Intel GPUs
yeah.. people deserved that... even amd had a simillar comparative and better value product... people still gonna buy Nvidia anyway... so cant blame them
Steve, thanks for engaging the community with the community poll. Really enjoyed the format, you are doing great at investigative journalism and I can’t wait to see what you produce for us next.
Loved the EK expose, I'm used to watching 60 minutes or some news show to get details and investigations like that. Very good job!
As much as I love the GN deep-dives on things like EK liquidity problems, Intel being clueless about their own products, and Gigabyte/NZXT explosives, it's sad that these companies can't control themselves to the degree that we even need these investigations in the first place.
Think of it from the other side. They're doing what they need to do to give GN dramatic content! /s
Honestly, given how AMD performs in ray tracing, and how well (or bad) their upscaler works, it leaving behind the high end is the right choice, unless they manage to improve their performance in these aspects.
While many people might disagree, IMO these are fairly important not just for me, but for most people in the high end category, so they will have a hard time competing there with their current offerings.
High end needs some serious remake. Everytime the chip process is smaller, they add more transistors and/or speed increases thus using more power. The power consumption for the 4090 is already critical. I notice on with the Black Myth,Wukong demo on 4K(Ultimate), 576 watt total with no overclock(has an LCD display and framerate was minimal. 19,avg = 25). This is maybe not the peak as that can be higher . So it is best to make mid-range with affordable prices and reasonable power consumption. And come back when Nvidia does not suspect it. Let nvidia sleep for a while.
Granted I've not cared about this stuff in ages so I might be missing the point, but why would the high end sector need upscaling?
@@Faselbob It's not well formulated, I'll give you that. For starters, generally upscalers are nice to move the usual framerate into VRR range in top games at high resolutions. Another knob.
But then, if you use FSR, that's gonna look shitty and have noticeable artifacts. DLSS isn't perfect, but it's far better at not showing many artifacts. XESS is also okay these days from what I've seen, but from my understanding it has a decent performance impact on non-intel hardware. And who knows if Intel will actually keep the money flowing to that unit.
@@marsdijs9061 Well considering that AMD has been doing this exact same thing for over a decade now and it's only made things worse for them I don't think letting Nvidia sleep is ever going to work for them.
As for power consumption the only issue here is having a plug standard that will work for the power needs. People have been grossly under spec-ing their PSU's for years and we are seeing those people get the rude awaking that has been coming for all of those years.
dont care about RT or upscalong.
I only care for pure rasterization performance.
Not thrilled about the lack of AMD Halo products going forward, from a couple perspectives.
1. AMD and Linux work well together and i rarely have problems nowadays. My experience with Nvidia was not comparable.
2. The Framework 16 uses an all-AMD loadout as of now - I really, *really* hope that AMDs decision to abandon the high end doesn't have a negative effect on future GPU releases for the platform.
why would not making a desktop RX 9999 XTX XXX edition affect laptop hardware?
AMD partners directly with Framework to build out their modular dGPUs for the Framework 16. Problems could range from less models to choose from (a 7700S is the most current model, and many have been hoping for something more powerful already) or, if they're already trimming out High End models, they decide to not made further dGPUs in general for Framework.
That's my main fear. But I'll just have to wait and see, like everyone else
I don't think you could call the typical laptop integrations really high end.
@@blackastheskyFramework isn't a typical laptop though, it has a modular system that allows for upgrades down the line, such as a discrete GPU
@@dude21699 fair point, but afaik the dGPUs available for the 16 were criticised for *not* being high-end.
Nvidia 2022: 4090 for $1600+
Nvidia 2024: 5090 for $2999 since AMD is out of the high end market.. 5080 for $1999.. & 5070 for $1199
Nvidia 2026: 6090 for your soul.. 6080 for your mind.. & 6070 for your arm
The more U buy the more U lose
Its great reward system for their loyal fans isn't it? lol. Nvidia "Thank you for buy our overpriced last generation of cards! for that we will increase the next generation card price by $400-$600. We here at Nvidia thanks you so much for your loyalty... LMAO
The EK report you did was truly amazing! So glad you guys did that, I doubt there is another channel team which could have done it to that standard.
Great work again guys, much love and kudos!
Here comes RTX 5090 costing $2499 just when I need to upgrade to one for work and gaming…
Well, why not just buy 10? You'll save more you know. Jensen said so himself.
5090 will 100% be $1999 or higher.
So buy the RX 8800
Buy 1030 instead! It is some what cheaper!
😂
In reality buy 8800XT and if enough people do it aka AMD would get 50% from 20% they have now… NVIDIA could reduce their prices to get market share back…
You need a new job.
6:10 reduction in machine and building value seems normal, in terms of amortisation.
EK (surprisingly) did not own any fabrication machinery & relied on suppliers to make every item. Most of their offices were also rentals. Unless they owned millions worth of office equipment, they can't declare much as far as traditional types of depreciation go.
@@RM1969RM if everything is rental then it's scuffed yes. But I'm going to go off on a limb here and presume that they do actually own physical stuff and that can be amortized and stuff, hell probably even inventory can be. Anyway on face value those numbers aren't egregious. I don't know Slovenian law. It can be bad, it can be nothing.
@@TheHighborn I agree. I just wanted to point out the rental element of their structure.
PS. There is something I can't figure out: do electronic components in warehouse follow the depreciation curves (hence tax write offs) or do they follow market valuation themes (which can end up adding to their tax due to increased valuations of unused components made for older computer hardware due to low supply)?
I think learning about the company history was really really valuable
It made me see EK in a completely different light than what I'd seen them in, both before and after their downfall
Thanks Steve, your EK in depth video was a great video to watch. It really show the work and passion you put into it! Please keep up the good work!
If Intel Arc jumps into the high end GPU market, it's gonna be funny as hell.
Their prices are OK, so I wouldn't mind.
Honestly we need Intel in the market, even just mid range would work for now just to force AMD to actually bother competing against Nvidia and give us worthwhile products that don't rely on being slightly cheaper to make up for the performance gap.
they literally can't but sure
You wish
@@ac8598 they're basically just giving them away to get their foot into the door. Don't expect that to continue if they actually make something worthwhile.
Yes we can hear you Steve !
I’m not sure if he sees the chat ?
Maybe it’s pre recorded ?
Must be pre-recorded!
@@Fly-Co2 You're drunk grandpa go home!
Revolute is a digital-only bank from the UK (It has an EU subsidairy because of brexit) that just VERY recently got its banking license. Make from that what you will.
Revolut got the UK banking license recently, but it had one in Lithuania for years. It's a regular bank, covered by the deposit guarantee and all other EU regulations. It's not like PayPal. It's just that it's easy to open an account there, and they are probably trying to open up many accounts and use them before they get blocked.
They used to be based in the UK, but had to split because of Brexit. They aren't shady, but they are an odd choice for a company.
Revolut has been around for yeaaaarrsss. There's a world outside the UK, make of that what you will.
I like that you ended your paragraph with "Make from that what you will", make from that what you will.
Love the videos. You guys are now a big voice for consumers! Really appreciate all the work your doing. Without your investigation we would not see big corps do anything for the issues you reported!
I really enjoyed the EKWB coverage. I always enjoy your deep dives into "troubles" in the tech/gaming space.
Question are you guys going to revisit the Zen 5 9000 series performance situation with Windows 11 [23H2 vs. 24H2]?
We will for the next round of tests!
Keep up the great work, guys! You're setting a fantastic example! I wish I could give more! Oh, quick idea, trimmable mod mats. None of yours will fit either of my carts I work on, but just by an inch±. If two sides had some "ribs" along them for like 2-3", you coukd use them as guides to cut the mat to fit. Idk, just an idea. I would like to get one from you, but they just wouldn't get used unfortunately.
Anyway thanks ya'llz!
AMDs wording is problematic. All they talk about / mention is providing gaming support and leave professional applications out of the conversation. Nvidias performance & features in professional applications has always been better. Its the biggest reason AMD is 2nd best and so unpopular by comparison. You'd think they figure that out?
I dunno man, I have to think people who need professional features, while they certainly do exist, have to be a relatively small fraction of the total market. Certainly not the "biggest reason". You can't realistically tell me you look at the steam survey and go "yeah they're all animating". I have to imagine the biggest reason is that brand perception and brand loyalty are really hard things to change.
@@GhengisJohn Gamers are surprisingly myopic.The world of content creators, photo editors, regular people that edit their cell phone videos, the list goes on and on. The world doesn't revolve around gaming, thank God. We'd be moving backward if it did.
@freedomearthmoon1 Uh huh. "Regular people who edit their cell phone videos" are picking their card based on professional features. Have you spoken to "regular" people? I have worked selling electronics. They tend to struggle with things like file types or need the difference between a Playstation 4 and a Playstation 5 explained to them and you imagine they're picking their video cards based on "professional features"? You are delusional.
@@freedomearthmoon1Lol yeah okay 👍 , while gaming market is nearly $300 billion globaly, your idea of professional applications doesn't even come near that.
@@sammasic5849 your on drugs, Who buys the most from Nvidia?
AI start-ups, companies trying to add AI to their products and venture capital firms are all trying to get their hands on Nvidia's chips, driving up their price. But the biggest buyers are Big Tech companies Microsoft, Amazon, Meta and Google that need the chips to build and train their own AI models.Jun 27, 2024
I can't believe i have been watching you guys and hadn't been subscribed this whole time!
In the poll i voted for no recap thinking it was just going to be a rehash of the previous ek vids but while watching i realized it was different from what i had in mind, so this is me admitting that i was wrong and that the 'recap' was a great primer for the rest of the vid and it all flowed really well
I don't get people complaining about amd dropping high end. The market share for 7900xt and xtx is essentially 0. They should be conserving money and resources where they can and focusing more on R&D to try and get back on top, not wasting it making high-end gear no one is buying. People are weird, and dumb. Don't get me wrong, I'm using a 7900xt and I'm kinda sad but like, give them time. This every 1 or 2 here's a new product line is stupid. There's almost no noteworthy change other than power draw approaching the point a PC will need a dedicated power plant just to turn on.
The rx 7600 shouldn't even exist yet they launched it at a horrible price and it's a garbage barge and it will make it's comeback with the rx 8000 series slightly better.
because these nvidia idiots want amd to lose money on products that not many are buying so it will bring down nvidias pricing but that hasnt happened . idiots
@jasonvors1922 yup. The 7800 and 7900 are the only cards from 7000 worth buying. The lower ones are just crap and if this is really where AMDs GPU division is at then they need to stop and take time to make a real improvement on their architecture before releasing anything in a real volume again. Especially high end.
I mean as long as the long term plan is to come back to the high end market, then yeah. nVidia's monopoly on the high end market just means they will continue to raise prices which sucks for those of us that do 4k high refresh gaming and content creation (CUDA) because a mid-range card just will not do.
To anyone crying about AMD giving up on the high end... did you guys buy AMD's high end products?
We all want competition, but nobody wants to buy the competition.
I have a 7900 XTX and I'm not crying... weird dynamics here huh
Like gordon Moore of pc world said on here about the internet. They are nothing but hypocrites.
I did
the most expensive card I've ever bought was 250$
@@UNOwenWasMe the general point stil lstands, for all the talk that nvidia is the worst thing on the planet, people buy up those products because they offer more, and what they do they do better than amd. it sucks but such is the situation we find ourselves in.
Guess my 6900XT will need to survive for a few more years. My last NVidia card was a GeForce 4 Ti4600, back in 2003, and after 3 MSI units failed on me, I've moved to an ATi Radeon 9200, and I never looked back to them.
Diamond Hard grip on that card til it's last breath.
Very similar story here. The first real video card I had was a GeForce FX5200, it died on me after less than a year, and after limping along with a MX440 from the recycling - rife with driver problems NVidia introduced right before declaring it "legacy" - I got a Radeon 9250, which cost peanuts and was useful until I ran out of AGP boards to put it in. Ever since then most of the things I hear about the NVidia lifestyle are just... "you live like this??"
I want my next GPU to be boring and uneventful, the equivalent of a desktop monitor, not an AI-upscaling fake-200Hz Smart TV. The announcement is exactly the sort of thing I wanted to hear.
Me too same thing
Very good reporting and video on EK Steve and team. I’ll be honest I hope you never have to make one again but I don’t see that happening.
I'm starting to think at this rate we'll need two different Disappointment Tour T-shirts for this year alone.
Yeah, this will have the impact of people looking at best of the best, seeing AMD's "best" is blown out of the water by Team Green and deciding AMD must be shit.
Exactly.
The Halo effect will work in reverse if you product compare poorly to another one, so it's actually better to just get rid of it.
@@Pers0n97 You did not understand their comment at all.
AMD’s “best” is going to be 5070-tier, if even. People will see that and assume AMD [Radeon] is a shit/low end brand.
@@LeftJoystick It will all depend on the price.
If they are 5070 tier but cost 33% less (which they probably easily could), they will be see as the smarter gaming rig.
Perfect, news for my lunch break. Great timing. Thanks Steve.
Glad to hear the surveillance system is worki--
I mean, what a coincidence!
@GamersNexus atleast when your company conducts constant surveillance, I get some excellent journalism out of the deal. Seems a lot better of a deal than being constantly monitored for IoT devices to work.
@@Hactarux Ha! Fair enough. The phones listening to us could step it up.
I find AMD going full circle back to their sweetspot strategy oddly funny.
Guess they got nostalgic lol
But they haven't changed their strategy in over a decade. Ever since Vega failed they have used the excuse of "sweet spots" and "value" to try and paper over the constant shortcomings of their hardware. Meanwhile the market as clearly replied that when faced with only two GPU makers people are not going to willingly choose the lesser hardware.
@@Hybris51129 But people do just that. Take a look at Steam survive data. Amount of 3050 there is just crazy, that card is crap and need DLSS just to catch up with cheaper 6600. RT? Both cards can only dream about it.
Same with 3060, 67(50) was cheaper, 30% faster so again you need upscaling just to get to radeon performance and stil people bought 3060. Because of RT? It's not that faster in it at all.
So no, market obviously is willing to choose the lesser hardware. Somebody said it already here, AMD main issue is that people are morons.
@@gorjy9610 And yet instead of providing products that can attract those "morons" they simply give up and leave the money on the table for Nvidia. Again I don't think the 3050/60 owners are the morons here only the people that try to justify AMD's anti-consumer actions in leaving the duopoly.
@@Hybris51129 What product? Catgirls?
Love ya guys! Great work, im a little pumped, my shirts on the way! Really been waitin on it, awesome!
I love the long form content that you do. Those investigation are some of my favorite youtube videos of all time, for informational matters.
- "Hey bro, your fly is opened."
- "I know dude, I don't have the WIFI password."
- "Bummer, bro."
Literally one in one million gamers cares about high-end gpus. What people is looking for good quality and decent performance. So makes sense to abandon it and make it for everyone affordable gpus.
I agree. 4090s are a nightmare.
Do we have any faith in Battlemage after the 13 14 debacle?
Hearting because it's a good question. I don't think the 13/14 series has anything to do with Arc, so personally, I wouldn't hold it against the Arc team. Makes more sense to weigh Arc's actions against itself. The Arc GPUs had a rough launch, have gotten way better, but still have compatibility issues. That's what they'll have to overcome.
Yeah, my first reaction as an AMD CPU user was "so much for smashing the duopoly"
battlemage isnt gonna be competing with the 4090 and 5090
The only thing I like about Intel processors right now is you, can build a feasible gaming PC for $500 with 12100F + A750/6600.
Wish AMD had a sub modern $100 processor with enough PCIe lanes and cheap motherboards with wifi, and NVIDIA/AMD had a half decent sub $200 graphics card like Arc A750.
The EK Video was a really good piece. Kudos for researching and putting everything into context. Thanks for doing the legwork
❤
Really glad to see you speak on Anandtech, as well as your personal interactions with him and another industry legend. Can't imagine riding into an event with those 2 next to me. Preservation of not just hardware, but the tomes worth of knowledge that very much serves as a very good learning material to this day. I volt modded my HD4850 from information I grabbed there. Amazing publication, and I hope you among a few others are looked back on in a similar light, lots of effort being poured into getting the numbers right, and being fair is something I'll always respect.
For comparison, my parents bought a Panasonic CRT TV in 2000 that lasted for 20 years.
Most less educated consumers will look ONLY at flagship products. That means NVIDIA cards will get top billing. AMD only focusing on the mid-range graphics cards, gives NVIDIA an easy victory until RDNA5.
Here's to hoping battlemage delivers forcing AMD to do better.
Amd should be stepping up it's game and releasing drivers at the same pace as nvidia and not be so lazy and wait months to fix simple bugs.
i mean, as long as intel and amd keep both fighting over second place, eventually they'll battle each other into accidentally fighting for first place
Yes! because INtel is trustworthy company who sells million of defective chips and refuse a recall. I would not buy anything from them right now. they have put profits above quality like most american corporation now.
I appreciated the Back To The Future 2 clips 😅
Oh god "Tech Report" I haven't heard that name in many many moons. I don't know what it is today, but way back the forums where an amazing place to learn & get help.
Sounds like EK are behaving and acting more like a criminal enterprise than a legitimate business with regard to how they are handling their finances.