Games workshop make it bafflingly hard for new people to enter the game. Multiply your number by your shape! lol. It's mad. I bought my first box of miniatures and have spent a lot of time trying to figure out just where to start. Thank you for this clear helpful video.
Exactly. How they think saying 2 white circles is easier than just saying 4". They could have so many more new customers by just digitising the rules set so you don't need a PhD in gaming to understand the rules.
What's more baffling is that the the number of inches don't relate to the number of sides of the shapes! Logically, if we must use shapes, this would make more sense: 1" - Circle (one side) 2" - Semi- Circle ( two sides) 3" - Triangle ( three sides) 6" - Hexagon ( six sides)
@@tabletopskirmishgames no man really very creative and clever. nice explainations im currently watching ur how to videos while being on the proces of buying the game ! nc videos !!!
I really enjoy your friendly demeanor. It feels very genuine, like you're a good guy just trying to show the people the rules. Love the visual and situational examples too!
I played this for the first time with absolutely no knowledge of the game beforehand. The people i played with were super helpful, nice and patient. Great introduction to 40k :)
Very nice intro, thank you for your help. As for the game itself I must say I absolutely hate the shapes-represent-distance idea. If those shapes were at least in any way related to what they represent (like: triangle is tree inches, square is four, for example) but no, they're just arbitrary. Guess what - we already have a set of arbitrary symbols representing numbers. They're called numbers.
Thanks for doing this series! I want to play a game of Kill Team at my local GW, but want to have some grasp on the game so I don't have to ask everything the while time
Awesome, thanks for watching! I played my first game of 40k at a store a couple of weeks ago and although I'd practiced and made the videos, I still forgot a lot of things and was clunky in the game play. There were some awesome people there to help, just let them know you are new and they will pair you with someone who is helpful and experienced. I made a video about playing your first game here ... ua-cam.com/video/DiGjoxoB--w/v-deo.html
Here I am once again. Time to learn a another game from your wonderful channel. Working on my Ork Boyz and Gretchin as I do. Gotta keep going back because I have trouble focusing while building
This is brilliant! Really helpful to get us going with Killteam. Great production and very clear explanation. Liked and subscribed. Will be watching the whole series and playthroughs to get a better feel for the game. Thanks a lot mate. Cheers from Quebec
@@tabletopskirmishgames Thank you for all your content! I’ve just discovered your Weekend Warriors project. Really cool stuff. I’ll look into it for my oldest. Cheers!
I am not interested in KILL TEAM. I am interested in your great explanatiory content :) Abloslutely love the Core Space series. Hope to see more of that too. Keep up the good work Lee!
It took me a year to accept it, I played for a while, now I've given up again 🤣 More due to the stock issues and the way the new season has been handled, though.
Honestly it took me a second and I felt stupid, but the gauge is really intuitive. The black triangle end is 1". The white circle end is 2". The side with the blue square is a whole 3". The red pentagon stick is just a whole 6". Honestly the tool could be useful in 40k for small movements and engagement range. Also great for tight spots like KT and you can butt/lay it on the models base as opposed to cheating the tape measurer (I know people who can't read them).
It took me a year to get over the shapes and I kept converting them to inches. When I stopped doing that and especially with the new Gallowdark rules, the game got so much better for me. Definitely a great tool to use, and I'm finding it is perfect for AoS as you have to stay 3" away from other models.
Getting back into killteam and these videos are super helpful. Though I have to say, years later and the fact that they didn't use number of edges on shape == number of inches still thoroughly pisses me off haha. Was circle(1) -> line(2) -> triangle(3) -> hexagon(6) really too much of an intuitive leap??
I don’t know who came up with those new measuring crap sticks. It’s irritating me. I think I might have made a mistake buying it. 😡. I’ll go take a break now. Think and think about it lol. But your review and help in it it is awesome. 👍
Arnt the models movements measured in increments of white/circle/2 inches..so you lose inches if it only takes 1 inch to get around something? Which is why going over or through a windows costs 1 white/circle/2 inches.. as this may be faster.. This would mean your example (3:50) of the model moving around the junk pile is incorrect??? Great video.
Thanks! If you make a ‘Normal Move’ and just walk around rather than going over something like a scrap pile, then you can use any of the symbols as long as they add up to the values of your Movement characteristic. So you could use 1 Triangle, 1 Circle, and 1 Square as they would total 6 inches which is equivalent to the values of the 3 White Circles. If you ‘Traverse’ that’s when it costs you the white circle value. You can see the ‘Normal Move’ rules on Page 61 of the Core Book. The minimum increment of movement is 1 Triangle, so you can’t move in half inches. If you move anything less than 1 Triangle, it still equals 1 Triangle. I’ll be covering movement in later videos. Thanks for watching! 👊
I bought the original kill team when it came out a few years back, seems they have changed everything? I was new to it back then and still am, need to find people to play. Do I need a whole new rule book?
Kill Team uses the same models, but many of them in the new edition have extra sprues to make the operatives wysiwyg. But you can easily use what you have as long as it's clear which model is being played as which operative.
I'm a 40K vet and I've been interested in dipping my toe in the 40K Kill Team waters for a couple years now. I must say however, that the new movement system with the shapes and colors is absolutely absurd. We've had a simple movement system for years that has been play tested millions of times without issue, I don't understand the need to re-invent movement. I'll probably pick up Kill Team at some point and immediately throw the silly colored movement stick in the trash.
I'm about to start a WH40k how to play series for the main game which doesn't have the shapes involved. The more I played with the shapes rules for KT, the less I liked them.
Hey, the way I read the rules is If your movement is 3 circle you have to move in 2 inch (circle) increments or less. Your move is not 6 inches broken down how you like as you suggest at around 4minutes. The rule on page 61 states this. These rules are terribly written.
Did you see the ‘Normal Move 2’ example on page 61? The operative has a Movement characteristic of 3 circles but moves 1 Triangle, then 2 Circles, then 1 more triangle. So I’m pretty sure that when you make a normal move you can break it up as long as you stick to the minimum increment of movement which is 1 Triangle. But, when climbing (page 74-75) you do have to stick to the Circles and any movements are rounded up to the circle. (But you do have to be within 1 Triangle of a wall to start climbing! 😵💫) Just writing all these shapes makes me think they should have just stuck to inches!
@@tabletopskirmishgames I agree! It is unnecessarily complicated. “Remember that distances can be broken down to smaller increments, so long as the total distance the operative moves does not exceed its movement characteristic” page 61 so smaller than circle but not square? So you can do 6 triangle or as the example 2 triangle and 2 circle. Just not the square. Of course when you dash it all changes again!!
Mistake You said that 3o is equal a 6 move and that is not so. 3o Means You can move a straight line up to 2, then you can turn left or right or in diagonal and move another direction straight line up to to and then turn again and move up to 2
I know, it makes zero sense. The shapes put me off playing but I'm glad I gave it another go because I've been loving the game since into the Dark was released. Since making the videos, I've found that it's easier to just say the colour and ignore the shapes completely. Hope that helps!
I really can't think of a worse idea for game rules than using colored shapes with potentially a multiplier instead of... you know... a ****ing NUMBER. "It becomes very intuitive" Well no, it doesn't. It remains incredibly dumb.
I desperately wanted to like this system. I love skirmish games, but the shape measurement system is honestly one of the most imbecilic game design decisions I've ever come across and every time I hear someone trying to explain it while trying to keep a rational tone, I want to laugh. I just wish I could talk to the person at GW who thought it was a good idea, and all the people who approved it and find out how their minds work.
This square circle etc stuff is just atrocious. Who could've come up with such design? A line - 1 inch, cross - 2 inches, asterics of 3 lines - 3 inches, hexagon - 6 inches. Christ, it's so simple, it's baffling. "yeah we want to use geometric shapes" but we have no idea how to use them. Or Dot - 1inch, line - 2 inches, triangle - 3 inches, hexagon - 6 inches. ARGHHHH WHY DOES PENATGON STANDS FOR 6 ITS INSUFERABLE. Great video, though.
They put me off the rules for most of the last year but recently I've been giving it a go in preparation for this new set, and have to say I'm getting over the shapes now. I found that it worked when I didn't try to convert it to inches or think about inches. Taking a while to fully get on board, though 🤣
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Games workshop make it bafflingly hard for new people to enter the game. Multiply your number by your shape! lol. It's mad. I bought my first box of miniatures and have spent a lot of time trying to figure out just where to start. Thank you for this clear helpful video.
Wait until you get to line of sight! 🤣 Really pleased it was helpful, thanks for watching!
@@tabletopskirmishgames your videos were awesome and a huge help. Thanks for making them.
Exactly. How they think saying 2 white circles is easier than just saying 4". They could have so many more new customers by just digitising the rules set so you don't need a PhD in gaming to understand the rules.
What's more baffling is that the the number of inches don't relate to the number of sides of the shapes!
Logically, if we must use shapes, this would make more sense:
1" - Circle (one side)
2" - Semi- Circle ( two sides)
3" - Triangle ( three sides)
6" - Hexagon ( six sides)
Agreed. They do make it hard on new gamers interested in the hobby
I love the production value of your orange arrow 😂
I’ve levelled up since the green arrow I used in the Warcry how to play series 🤣
Like a 1970s educational video presentation. Rate it!
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Excellent! The orange pointy arrow was my favorite part.
I moved on to the themed Orange colour from the green arrow I used in the Warcry videos 🤣
Agreed
@@tabletopskirmishgames no man really very creative and clever. nice explainations im currently watching ur how to videos while being on the proces of buying the game !
nc videos !!!
It was a sick arrow.
I spilled my tea when the literal orange arrow appeared from the top of the screen.
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This is better than the official GW videos, especially for newbies! Thanks and great work!
Thanks so much! Great to hear the videos are helpful 👊
ya - this is a great tutorial - official GW tutorial is not even a tutorial.
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I really enjoy your friendly demeanor. It feels very genuine, like you're a good guy just trying to show the people the rules. Love the visual and situational examples too!
That’s so cool, thanks very much! Thanks for watching too, loads more on the way! 👊
I played this for the first time with absolutely no knowledge of the game beforehand. The people i played with were super helpful, nice and patient. Great introduction to 40k :)
Hey that's awesome, glad you had a great first experience!
Finally somebody that explains it in full detail I have been searching.
Just got my first KT starter set, so looking forward to getting stuck into these videos. Thanks Lee 🙏
Hey nice one! The starter set is great, have fun getting the minis painted up. The Orks are still some of my favourite minis of all time, awesome.
I'm following your tutorial on the dkok paint scheme too! First time handling contrast paints, so fingers crossed 😬😀
Nice one, contrasts are great for those models
The structure of this series is perfect. Thank you for making these.
Thanks so much, great to hear they are helpful. Thanks for watching! 👊
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This is great! Simple, concise, educational, and... fun! All the Kill Team Orange pointers and such were a great idea.
Thanks so much! Really pleased the videos are helpful. More on the way today 👊
Excellent overview and intro to the game, Lee! Thank you so much for all you do for the skirmish wargaming community.
Thanks for watching! Really pleased the videos are helpful 👊
This is a great way to get to know the rules. I tried watching the GW videos, but this is a lot clearer and better paced. Thank you for making this
I feel like I understand this game well enough to play it already after listening to you. Thank you
I have been wanting to get into Warhammer kill teams for awhile now, this video really helped me learn how to play. Thanks ever so much.
That's great to hear. Thanks for watching!
Watched a few "How to play" videos by this point and yours was imo the best by far. Subbed for the rest.
That’s great to hear, thanks so much! 👊
Looking forward to these!! You did such an amazing job going through Warcry. Watched them all and gave me a quick and great understanding of the game.
That’s really cool to hear, thanks for watching them all! 👊
@@tabletopskirmishgames Np, thanks for the quality content!
Very nice intro, thank you for your help. As for the game itself I must say I absolutely hate the shapes-represent-distance idea. If those shapes were at least in any way related to what they represent (like: triangle is tree inches, square is four, for example) but no, they're just arbitrary. Guess what - we already have a set of arbitrary symbols representing numbers. They're called numbers.
Thank you, really happy to hear it was helpful. Yes, I agree, numbers work just fine 🤣
Love the steady pacing and clear explanations!
That’s great to hear. Thanks for watching! 👊
Thanks for doing this series!
I want to play a game of Kill Team at my local GW, but want to have some grasp on the game so I don't have to ask everything the while time
Awesome, thanks for watching! I played my first game of 40k at a store a couple of weeks ago and although I'd practiced and made the videos, I still forgot a lot of things and was clunky in the game play. There were some awesome people there to help, just let them know you are new and they will pair you with someone who is helpful and experienced. I made a video about playing your first game here ... ua-cam.com/video/DiGjoxoB--w/v-deo.html
Thank ]you a lot to take your time to ilustrate clearly and visualy most of the stuff. I get lost easily with just "narrative" videos!
Glad it was helpful!
This is very helpful. Looking forward to watching the next episodes.
Awesome, thanks for watching and really happy they are helpful.
Here I am once again. Time to learn a another game from your wonderful channel. Working on my Ork Boyz and Gretchin as I do. Gotta keep going back because I have trouble focusing while building
Great to see you back for more! Enjoy getting your game ready and thanks for watching 👊
I like your use of props in this video. Gives a good visual representation.
Nice one, thanks and thanks for watching! 👊
5 or a 6 would be a 3. Not sure your dice agree there 5:56
Thanks, yeah the 4-5 dice mistake didn’t match the audio there 🥴
This is brilliant! Really helpful to get us going with Killteam. Great production and very clear explanation.
Liked and subscribed. Will be watching the whole series and playthroughs to get a better feel for the game.
Thanks a lot mate.
Cheers from Quebec
Thats awesome to hear, thank you so much! Thanks for watching them all too 👊
@@tabletopskirmishgames Thank you for all your content! I’ve just discovered your Weekend Warriors project. Really cool stuff. I’ll look into it for my oldest. Cheers!
This is a fantastic overview! Thanks for making it.
Thanks for watching! Really happy it’s helpful. 👊
Holy hell. The physical effects for the arrow and “X” are what made me subscribe. You’re a funny dude.
The arrows have a life of their own sometimes 🤣 Thanks for watching and subscribing too, that’s awesome! 👊
I loved the arrow appearing out of nowhere xD
It has a life of its own some times! 🤪
The distances being measured in the shapes just seems like such an unnecessary extra step in my opinion … great video though 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Yeah, I found the more I played the more I didn't like it. Thanks for watching!
Well presented and easy to follow. Now to watch the next one 😁
Awesome, thank you!
Best video on the subject.
Honestly the new circle square rubbish for distance just seems like an unnecessary over complication. What was wrong with just stating everything in "
"highly trained operatives" *shows orks*. Loved it!
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Thanks for this good Video.
Thanks for watching!
When this guy brought out a printed out orange arrow I Lost my Shit, the funniest thing I've ever seen
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Just found your channel and these Kill Team videos - very helpful - thanks very much! New Subscriber
That's awesome, thank you!
THANK YOU! me and a friend tried playing and learning earlier but the core book we found was awful to try and learn the game!
Thanks for watching! Really pleased it was helpful.
These videos are so helpful
Awesome to hear, thanks for watching!
I think your channel is awesome. Keep up the awesome work !
Thanks Ashley, appreciate that and will do!
This is an awsome series my friend ;-) Thank you. Very useful.
That’s so cool to hear, really happy it’s been helpful. Thanks for watching 👊
Thanks for the video
I am not interested in KILL TEAM. I am interested in your great explanatiory content :) Abloslutely love the Core Space series. Hope to see more of that too. Keep up the good work Lee!
Thank you! You bet, I’ve got LOTS planned for Core Space as we get closer to their release of First Born. Thanks for watching! 👊
great videos!
Thanks, Claire!
"Highly Trained Operatives"
* proceeds to show Orks *
I might be expecting too much from the Kommandos! 🤣
great job. FYI in the 1d3 section you showed a 4,5=3
Aaagh no, thanks for letting me know 👊
I gotta say, the "distance" system in this game is unnecessarily convoluted lol. Like just say the number inches
On second thought, its not too bad if youre using the measuring things they give you
It took me a year to accept it, I played for a while, now I've given up again 🤣 More due to the stock issues and the way the new season has been handled, though.
Honestly it took me a second and I felt stupid, but the gauge is really intuitive.
The black triangle end is 1". The white circle end is 2". The side with the blue square is a whole 3". The red pentagon stick is just a whole 6". Honestly the tool could be useful in 40k for small movements and engagement range. Also great for tight spots like KT and you can butt/lay it on the models base as opposed to cheating the tape measurer (I know people who can't read them).
It took me a year to get over the shapes and I kept converting them to inches. When I stopped doing that and especially with the new Gallowdark rules, the game got so much better for me. Definitely a great tool to use, and I'm finding it is perfect for AoS as you have to stay 3" away from other models.
What box do I get the orange pointer arrow mini? Love the sculpt.
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That orange pointy arrow needs a patreon
🤣 Yes, he definitely needs some support to keep on pointing! 🤪
Getting back into killteam and these videos are super helpful. Though I have to say, years later and the fact that they didn't use number of edges on shape == number of inches still thoroughly pisses me off haha.
Was circle(1) -> line(2) -> triangle(3) -> hexagon(6) really too much of an intuitive leap??
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Thank you! 👊
I don’t know who came up with those new measuring crap sticks. It’s irritating me. I think I might have made a mistake buying it. 😡. I’ll go take a break now. Think and think about it lol. But your review and help in it it is awesome. 👍
It makes reading the rules a bit weird for sure. I can see a lot of people just using inches and a tape measure.
Which edition is this? I am looking for 3rd edition explanation. Never played killteam before and have not read core rules of any edition yet.
This is the current edition
Arnt the models movements measured in increments of white/circle/2 inches..so you lose inches if it only takes 1 inch to get around something? Which is why going over or through a windows costs 1 white/circle/2 inches.. as this may be faster..
This would mean your example (3:50) of the model moving around the junk pile is incorrect???
Great video.
Thanks!
If you make a ‘Normal Move’ and just walk around rather than going over something like a scrap pile, then you can use any of the symbols as long as they add up to the values of your Movement characteristic. So you could use 1 Triangle, 1 Circle, and 1 Square as they would total 6 inches which is equivalent to the values of the 3 White Circles. If you ‘Traverse’ that’s when it costs you the white circle value.
You can see the ‘Normal Move’ rules on Page 61 of the Core Book. The minimum increment of movement is 1 Triangle, so you can’t move in half inches. If you move anything less than 1 Triangle, it still equals 1 Triangle.
I’ll be covering movement in later videos. Thanks for watching! 👊
I bought the original kill team when it came out a few years back, seems they have changed everything? I was new to it back then and still am, need to find people to play. Do I need a whole new rule book?
Yeah this is a completely new edition and the rules have changed across the board.
I got myself Ankha the Collosus Necron Overlord.
If the color and shape represent distance- then why isn't it also represented on the orange disk as such?
Does Kill Team use different models than 40k? Or can I use my 40k models?
Kill Team uses the same models, but many of them in the new edition have extra sprues to make the operatives wysiwyg. But you can easily use what you have as long as it's clear which model is being played as which operative.
I like the part where he continuously pelts his kriegsman with dice.
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We say stealthy skull and retikill to remember lol
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This seems foreign to me. I must have an old rule book? Getting into it since launch. I don’t remember the shapes
Yes, the shapes are a new feature of this edition. GW changed the game a lot and made it quite different from 40k and the previous Kill Team.
The pure greed of selling a rhombus to measure distance 😂
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And a black square. *thunder and lightning*
Those measuring gauges are a disgustingly transparent cash grab by GW lets be honest.
Great series anyway, thanks!
Yeah a big gimmick for sure
@@tabletopskirmishgames Just seen GW is selling them for ~£19 😂 You can't make this up. On eBay they're ~£5
Waot you cant use the minis codex?
I'm a 40K vet and I've been interested in dipping my toe in the 40K Kill Team waters for a couple years now. I must say however, that the new movement system with the shapes and colors is absolutely absurd. We've had a simple movement system for years that has been play tested millions of times without issue, I don't understand the need to re-invent movement. I'll probably pick up Kill Team at some point and immediately throw the silly colored movement stick in the trash.
I'm about to start a WH40k how to play series for the main game which doesn't have the shapes involved. The more I played with the shapes rules for KT, the less I liked them.
I think I understand the idea behind it, but it seems to fall short in practice. Atom at Tabletop Minions does a good review of this as well
Sigh. I just wished I had someone to play this with...
My son didn't like it so I had to play myself haha
Can you better explain what all the tokens mean?
5:56 That's not a 5 or 6 ;)
Hey, the way I read the rules is If your movement is 3 circle you have to move in 2 inch (circle) increments or less. Your move is not 6 inches broken down how you like as you suggest at around 4minutes. The rule on page 61 states this. These rules are terribly written.
Did you see the ‘Normal Move 2’ example on page 61? The operative has a Movement characteristic of 3 circles but moves 1 Triangle, then 2 Circles, then 1 more triangle. So I’m pretty sure that when you make a normal move you can break it up as long as you stick to the minimum increment of movement which is 1 Triangle.
But, when climbing (page 74-75) you do have to stick to the Circles and any movements are rounded up to the circle. (But you do have to be within 1 Triangle of a wall to start climbing! 😵💫)
Just writing all these shapes makes me think they should have just stuck to inches!
@@tabletopskirmishgames I agree! It is unnecessarily complicated. “Remember that distances can be broken down to smaller increments, so long as the total distance the operative moves does not exceed its movement characteristic” page 61 so smaller than circle but not square? So you can do 6 triangle or as the example 2 triangle and 2 circle. Just not the square. Of course when you dash it all changes again!!
where is part 6? :(
Here it is ... ua-cam.com/video/1vloPjOF8_k/v-deo.html
@@tabletopskirmishgames but it's killteam not The core rules for underworld :(
Mistake
You said that 3o is equal a 6 move and that is not so.
3o
Means
You can move a straight line up to 2, then you can turn left or right or in diagonal and move another direction straight line up to to and then turn again and move up to 2
Great video although some of GWs idea do make me very 🤬
why use all that complicated system? why no just use metric system? so weird to me
or is it a black circle
Why is it a pentagon if it’s 6 inches……
I know, it makes zero sense. The shapes put me off playing but I'm glad I gave it another go because I've been loving the game since into the Dark was released. Since making the videos, I've found that it's easier to just say the colour and ignore the shapes completely. Hope that helps!
@@tabletopskirmishgames but what if your colorblind lol
Everything sounds better in a British Accent.
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I really can't think of a worse idea for game rules than using colored shapes with potentially a multiplier instead of... you know... a ****ing NUMBER.
"It becomes very intuitive" Well no, it doesn't. It remains incredibly dumb.
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I desperately wanted to like this system. I love skirmish games, but the shape measurement system is honestly one of the most imbecilic game design decisions I've ever come across and every time I hear someone trying to explain it while trying to keep a rational tone, I want to laugh.
I just wish I could talk to the person at GW who thought it was a good idea, and all the people who approved it and find out how their minds work.
It's so pointless. I gave up on the game soon after playing Octarius a few times. Glad I've given it another go now, though it's good fun.
the shape algebra is still my least favorite part of the game.
It's still weird to say 'white' etc instead of inches.
This square circle etc stuff is just atrocious. Who could've come up with such design? A line - 1 inch, cross - 2 inches, asterics of 3 lines - 3 inches, hexagon - 6 inches. Christ, it's so simple, it's baffling. "yeah we want to use geometric shapes" but we have no idea how to use them. Or Dot - 1inch, line - 2 inches, triangle - 3 inches, hexagon - 6 inches. ARGHHHH WHY DOES PENATGON STANDS FOR 6 ITS INSUFERABLE.
Great video, though.
Why in the fuck can't they just use a number to represent inches...you know...like in the old days, instead of stupid ass shapes.
It soon got annoying. I changed to my own Weekend Warriors ruleset.
You're full of BS if you think the color coded shapes are "a good way" to do anything.
I fucking hate the widget and shapes. It literally is why i didn't buy into this game when it came out.
They put me off the rules for most of the last year but recently I've been giving it a go in preparation for this new set, and have to say I'm getting over the shapes now. I found that it worked when I didn't try to convert it to inches or think about inches. Taking a while to fully get on board, though 🤣