Beware the New "Fake" HDMI 2.1 !
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
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0:00 - Intro
1:50 - What to Know
2:16 - Current Highest Speed
4:32 - Bandwidth & Speed Summary
5:16 - The New Features
5:36 - Dynamic HDR
7:35 - eARC
9:53 - Variable Refresh Rate
10:31 - Quick Media Switching
11:10 - Quick Frame Transport
12:38 - Auto Low Latency Mode
13:56 - WHAT Are They Thinking?
This video explains the new changes in the HDMI naming system and the features of products that carry the HDMI 2.1 label. I explains that, contrary to popular belief, the label does not indicate the capabilities of the device and that the device manufacturers have no say in the naming. So in order to know a devices capabilities, you need to know all the possible features and look for them in the device specs. These features include: Dynamic HDR, Enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC), Variable Refresh Rate (VRR), Quick Media Switching (QMS), Quick Frame Transport (QFT), and Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM). Then I explain the supposed reasoning for why the went with the dumb naming system.
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Cool. My monitor got a free magical upgrade with this decision.
That sounds like an "Upgrade" to Windows 8.1 Starter Edition, assuming that was a thing
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If someone wants to sue you kindly direct them to sue the HDMI Consortium for deceptive practices since they would get more money.
superpower upgrade!
What an upgrade
If you're curious why they did this, because TV and device manufacturers paid them to do it. Remember that the HDMI Consortium, the company that controls the HDMI standard and Licensing, is run by all of the TV and device manufacturers. Recently, those manufacturers took over, and made it so that everything will have the same number attached to it so that consumers are more confused. It is a vastly anti-consumer move, and is 100% done to be confusing, so somebody might get an old device that doesn't support 4K 120 hertz, but it's still HDMI 2.1 in the marketing materials. This was solely done for marketing material. That's it.
UA-cam has been recommending me a video from HDTVTest about how 2023 TVs still won't get 4 HDMI 2.1 ports. Well have no fear, HDTVTest! Now everything is HDMI 2.1! Problem solved!!!
They have to get rid of all of their old tech stock. Sell it to unsuspecting, non tech customers. Public rip off.
2.1 cable work on 1.1 tv so figer it so if some one dose not have to look for a 1.1 cable it not confusing at all
Vista ready was another such a successful example, those computers could boot Windows Vista indeed, but that was it. Microsoft explained it was at request of computer sellers having to much stock that Microsoft agreed with them allowed to put a Vista Ready sticker on it.
Ok... well, whatever.
Very informative video, thanks for that. I cannot believe the HDMI people are going down this route. Like did they not see the enormous backlash of the whole USB renaming scandal? I don't think there's a single positive thing about this change.
There isn't really any reason for them to care about backlash when there is no competition.
@@lance_374 DisplayPort, USB C
I was immediately reminded of that drama and I just hate it. Went shopping for a new USB Flash drive and it was just sooo confusing. But, and that may be the goal: If I hadn't known about the USB naming scheme, I would have bought some shitty product maybe because it said it has USB 3.2
@@lance_374 Display port is one
@@willywestsidee most hardware doesn't have displayport and it's not the consumer soldering in those ports, so no. Not really a choice 👍
Why can't companies stick with a simple naming scheme. This is getting ridiculous
It really is. First USB, now this
@@ThioJoe WiFi also
@@Blood-PawWerewolf what did wifi do ?
@@ThioJoe This makes the USB Implementers Forum's antics seem almost reasonable. (Almost.)
I agree it's just so fkn annoying when you need a new cable it's crazy how many different names there are for just a few different cables (hdmi/displayport and usb for example as I use a lot of them). It makes it difficult to find the proper cable for your needs at times as some have bs marketing and aren't the advertised speeds.
This all seems very similar to the USB 3.0 and 3.1 situation
Yea
excuse me, I think you mean USB 3.2 gen 2x2 ultra super mega high speed pro
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@@mjc0961 nah, he just meant 3rd Generation USB 3.2 Gen 1 2x2 SuperHighSpeed Certified USB 3.2 Gen 3 4x4 Type C UltraHighSpeed Compatible Class 10 A1 certified Dual Interface SDXHC UHS Card
@@mjc0961 Sounds like it's going full "Power Rangers ___".
There should be a class lawsuit action against HDMI Org for confusing specification and consumers. They should be forced by a judge to make the spec far more simplified and transparent for people. It cannot be that hard, unless deliberate by the Org behind which stand the biggest consumer electornics companies.
I think you’re right it should be a lawsuit, because one can call a thing whatever they want but it is a completely different thing when you were calling something someway and change it to make it purposely as confusing as possible for consumers for a profit for TV companies so they can advertise the new thing although it is in fact the old thing, it literally looks like a move designed specifically to deceive people more exactly customers
Yea, it seems like fraudulent advertising if you call two things the same name even tho they have vastly different specs.
@@azmc4940 have you ever purchased a tin of baked beans?
there all the same thing, just some have better labels?
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I'm sure some hard-charging young lawyer out there will likely pick this up and run with it. Someone should. This clearly disadvantages consumers and the general public at large - and it should NOT be allowed to stand.
I appreciate your effort to make longer videos. I learned a lot and enjoyed it. Thank you.
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Dude this is SOOOOOOO FREAKING AWESOME, thank for this video man is really helpful.
So, HDMI basically pulled a USB 3.1/3.2
What are you doing here?
@@World_of_OSes watching a video about HDMI cables, obviously
@@markusTegelane It's just a surprise to see someone that I recognize from the comments on my own channel, while reading through the comments on a different channel.
@@World_of_OSes Yes, I follow a lot of tech channels on this website. It was only a matter of time until you were gonna find me in teh comments.
Great explanations! This is a great guide for anyone shopping for a new HDMI device! I'll point anyone to this video who might want to know about this before shopping.
thanks joe I always appreciate you explaining the way you do
Awesome information and a great video. Thank you for clearing up the confusion...👍
Awesome. My CRT from 1980 with VGA only is now HDMI 2.1 compatible. Yay!
company: "from now on all HDMI is HDMI 2.1"
also company: "Sometimes my genius…It's almost frightening"
Thanks for doing this video! It was actually really helpful!! 🎉
It would be nice if our computers could turn our TVs on and off when used as a monitor. I have to do everything manually while computer monitors have been doing it for decades.
TVs can,. Via HDMI CEC, I make android firmware for TV boxes and they can power on and off the TV with CEC, the issue is GPUs don't work with this tech :)
nice video , you didnt mention anything about the little elephant in the cable , the hdcp addition to the equipment that does not offer anything to the user experience (it might retract )
It might retract indeed. Ever tried to play a 4K BluRay on a PC? You will be amazed by what is required to do this, and you will buy a separate BluRay player instead.
Awesome informative video, thanks for the update on tech idiocracies. I would not have thought of looking out for this kind of stuff.
Very thorough and information video about HDMI thanks @ Joe
This is USB 3.2 all over again but even worse. I genuinely think this needs to be reported to consumer protection agencies because this is getting out of hand.
it is!
*Thank you for making this one of my most popular videos gets this concern so much in the comments, I can just refer them here*
Back on the old days of ThioJoe, we had to wrap our cables in aluminum foil and duct tape to get any of these features.
This was very helpful. Thank you.
HDMI has long been a bit of a mess due to all the optional features, this change makes the problem much worse.
HDMI connectors are also just too fragile. Not only the cable side, but also the device/port connection. Unfortunately, the DisplayPort specifications have lagged behind HDMI and DP ports are almost never seen outside computer equipment and computer monitors.
Thank you for the info
Thanks. Information appreciated.
I have a 12-cylinder, Ford Tempo.
It only has four physical cylinders, but it got upgraded to eight cylinders and now twelve cylinders on paper. Oh, and the RANGE has now been extended.
I just love your work ...
I thought it was referring to the cable provided with my monitor. I've read in the reviews the screen didn't have it's full refresh rate on HDMI, but it does on DisplayPort
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Nice one Joe.
Thank you, this is especially useful for me, because i use my oled tv as pc monitor.
Thank for this. We really need it.
Thanks, TJ~
Why can't there be a 2.2? Why the hell do we need an A
It's an alpha-version…
a real a-hole move
@@johanponken HDMI 2.1 and HDMI 2.1a are the exact same thing.
Learnt few new things , thank you
In related news, used car lots are now allowed to advertise an old 1969 Corvair or 1987 Chevette a "new 2023 Corvette".
Good as Gold great job 👏
Now imagine you're trying to buy a cable on Amazon, and how most sellers never list any of the specs. Same thing with devices connected.
Welcome back Man.
Good to know thank you
Very good explanation of everything to look for and nice quality lighting too. Thanks.
Cheers Joe, helps a lot 👍
On a side note, what is the comet screensaver you are using?
[CITATION NEEDED]
I believe it, but I'm really struggling to find the source. You should consider posting citations in the video description at the very least.
I'm looking at the specs sheet overview and don't know what I'm looking for.
The source is the HDMI specification...
It's like with the projector manufacturers who will give the resolution based on the HDMI input limit, but not the actual resolution the projector is outputting.
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Thanks!
Many thanks to you too! Glad it was helpful 🙏
Good video
Cool, we have Dynamic High Dynamic Range now.
That's very dynamic...
Good luck getting HDMI splitters to work now... finding one that suits your setup will be hell
huh??!! how bizarre - thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info - very useful!
I love how (apart from the speeds) those "features" were literally possible until they f*cked us over with hdcp. Pretty much creating a problem to sell the solution 🙃
Really interesting stuff! So I guess DisplayPort is the last bastion of consistent naming lol.
What about AUX?
@@clashcraft_cc I meant for display technology.
A more widely used feature of eARC is configuring the TV for example to turn off HDMI connected components when the TV is turned off and vice versa. Also switching inputs when devices are turned on or disks are inserted and other of those sorts of features are supported. The latest gaming consoles support some of these features if you look in their settings.
7 months late but thats not a feature or eARC or ARC.
its HDMI CEC(Consumer Electronics Control) that enables turning on devices when your TV is turned on or vice versa.
eARC and ARC are audio return channels, eARC just being an "extension" of ARC in that it has a higher bandwith and supports 3d Audio(like dolby atmos and similiar) they do have the ability to adjust the volume of components "downstream"(so using the TV removes volume button changes the soundbars volume level instead of the TVs)
ugh, this reminded me of usb back when i was trying to figure out what version to look for in a product description and it turned out it depended if a seller wanted to use a new or old version of the versions...so..bleah
anyway this seems more advertiser-friendly and not consumer-friendly...though for international sellers is it really so bad to lie anyway? couldn't they just call it free speech if they had to call it anything at all, which they don't. 🙂
At the moment, eARC is the peak of awesomeness for me. I love to use my HomePods as Speakers for the PlayStation. :D
Nice!
Huzzah! My 7 year old TV set magically has the latest HDMI spec! I don't think I can buy a replacement remote for it any more, but there's apparently no EoL date for marketing BS.
14:17 I'd been thinking from the start that this sounded a lot like what they did with USB ;)
ive seen alot of your videos and was hoping you have a way to fix bios causing a windows laptop display not working because i have a windows laptop that doesnt have working display because of bios. I have no way of connecting an external monitor to it because it only has 1 USB port the Aux port and the chager port
Joe, I was truly $*$% lucky I got the fabled Sony inZone M9 gaming monitor for a third off the MSRP on an ebay open box deal, as I was shopping for cables for the thing as I literally WAS NOT HDMI 2.1 ready before this rigamarole was brought to our public attention via this video.
I was sadly afraid the misinformation spread to cables as I mainly shopped Amazon, where noname labels were dominating the selection thereof! Where's the actual brand name cables these days? Anyways I was lucky the hardware I DID buy (3-port switcher, extra cable for the PC) actually works competently enough for my monitor...
yay my monitor from 2009 that is 900p 60hz has gotten a new upgrade!
HDMI is just a connector. I would never use a connector spec to determine capabilities of the device anyway. It's like saying a PC has USB-A connectors. That tells me nothing about it's CPU or GPU or RAM.
Similarly just because a device has USB 3 capability does not mean it will necessarily be able to completely saturate the bandwidth. You have to look at the device specs.
While it's definitely concerning there is no clear spec for consumers to determine their TV capabilities easily,, bundling it together with the HDMI spec was always going to cause problems at some point.
Commenting on the CEC part, my TV supports CEC, and the only thing that I use it for is to use my Switch to turn the TV on and change the TV's input to the Switch's input automatically as soon as I turn on the console. It doesn't do anything else afaik.
I have a device that seems to only work with cables that have the shield pins connected (2, 5, 8, 11) Some cables have them connected and some don't. How do I tell the difference? Is there any definitive label I should be looking for, because it seems like a lottery up until now?
100% agree. I'm OK with "HDMI 2.1 Good" or something to say it is the full HDMI 2.1 - all bandwidth, all features and "HDMI 2.1 CRAP" edition if it is only a fraction of the bandwidth or missing features. They'll get away with it by making cabled HDMI 2.1 "compatible"
About controlling devices through hdmi. You know how on a laptop monitor you can change the brightness in windows, but on a desktop monitor you change it in the OSD? Yeah you are supposed to be able to do this on a desktop monitor or a tv too. Potentially the monitor OEM could just make a desktop app that had all the functions from the OSD or even changes display profiles based on time or what you are doing.
I use my TV as a monitor(double duty). Is there something to look for in a new purchase there? I give you 5 stars on your review subjects and presentations.
I have home internet that is based off of phone signal. The ISP says I can have download speeds up to 100. The first 10 minutes or so after power cycling my 2 in 1 modem/router my speeds are in the high 20's to low 30's. Then they range from 8-22 any other time. I have great signal strength at least 4 bars sometimes 5. My ISP can't figure out why they keep dropping. Any ideas?
*I used to hate you for pranking me, but you've started to grow on me.*
When consumers start getting confused about what they think their product is and what it does. It leaves a nice gap for exploits. Remember back in the days when cables were being extremely over hyped? I do.
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*I have a TCL C735*
It's got all features 100%
But that black screen you were talking bout
that happens as the Tv changes
resolution and settings in inputs
especially in gaming..That's fine..but
sometimes this happens during mid-game
With all features turned on?
And sometimes those features automatically change on their own
So i need to keep checking from time to time
To see if they are still on? Annoying..
that pisses me off??
Don't know why and not sure if it's the Tv
Or the game content but regardless
it shouldn't happen
I know the Higher End Tvs like Samsung
And Sony don't have that issue...
But for the most part it works ok
But when your playing and you're in a battle
Or fight scene and it cuts off like that
For at least a couple seconds
Makes me wanna take a baseball bat to it
The sound is still going but not screen
Stop buying TCL products. Its from a country that's about to be ociscised from society. (CH)
😂This is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a while
I would like to watch this video, but I absolutely can't because of either a UA-cam bug or some crazy other reason. I'm getting literal thousands of identical ads no matter what I do on this video. There is no way to skip any one of them. No other video is doing it, but I'll probably try again later or some other day. Maybe on a different device or account. This is a serious problem, though.
I tried again and it is all better now. I still don't understand what happened or why.
Quality thorough and well popularised information. Thanks Joe!
Joe's back yeeees
I never left 🤔
Brilliant video. Extremely informative. Thank you.
(I haven’t watched the video yet) is there any sort of a list of good HDMI cables?
So the HDMI folks saw what the USB were doing, and said “hold my beer”.
(8:25) But that's still the same number of cables, so I don't see the benefit of that, other than getting more lag while playing on your console.
Do you have a better example where you actually save a cable? Because the HDMI to the audio device is still an audio cable in this scenario.
Really the only other option would be Optical which does not have as much bandwidth as eARC
@@ThioJoe That's true, optical is also often the ONLY option to connect a TV to an older audio system that doesn't have HDMI (like the Logitech Z906).
good to know
Why is this any problem? Every device should have recent enough connector anyway or it just doesn't support its specs. Same was back in days with VGA. One definedly needed to check if the cable and card was able to deliver and produce that crisp 160MHz signal.
I remember shopping for an HDMI 2.1 cable, I thought it will be straight forward to buy, but it wasn’t as the marketing did not make it clear.
And now, we have this. Sheesh 😢
But thanks for detailed information about this.
For some reason I was notified on my phone about this video, but not on desktop. In fact, the video isn't even on your channel as of right now on desktop. Weird?
Miss you Joe
CEC is more useful this way: I had a TV, a DVD player and a Home Theater all separated, that means 3 remotes, with CEC, I could use the Home Theater remote to control my dvd player and TV, because that was the most complete remote in the house, times changed and I haven't used CEC in some time, so maybe with smart TVs you can control other devices via smart menu or something (does anyone know?)
I remember when HDMI was convenient and easy to use…
i am early, but thanks for warning us thiojoe!
Did the HDMI team just take USB's crack pipe??? Whatever's in it I want some cuz it's got to be damn good.
Reminds me of those "Super Ultra Heavy Duty" Dry Cell Batteries you see at the Dollar Store.
Time to get a display port cable and use that instead.
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5:23 what happened to the colour here?
By the way I do enjoy your videos
Good old DVI-I ... I never left thee!
I got a LG oled tv last year 4x HDMI 2.1 ports it's great cause I got ps5 series x and gaming PC
First the USB naming and now the HDMI?
Someone needs to build a simplified naming translator for consumers!
I don’t understand this? Didn’t the term “HDMI” already serve the purpose of broadly referencing all versions of the standard? Isn’t the version number supposed to provide specificity?
What is the goal here?