Russ, as someone who is new to this whole bike thing I really appreciate all of your videos!!! They’ve helped me learn lots and get even more excited about exploring by bike. I think a review of the new 2019 Salsa Vaya and a comparison to how it has changed (since it’s been around for so long) might be worthwhile. Thank you for making such great and honest content!
I moved from a Salsa Pistola road bike to a Trek CheckPoint ALR last spring and I'm loving it. I run GravelKing 38 mm slicks -- tubeless, of course -- and it's great both on pavement and the semi-packed loose-over-hard country roads around me.
Jason... How does your gravel bike handle on pavement? I'm assuming you are using as a road bike when on gravel? Or do you swap out the gravel tires for road tires?
Felt Breed 20/30 when they are available. 420 mm CS. Similarly to Midnight Special (420mm CS) and 650B tires, but with a slacker front end and slightly longer WB. For the same price as the Midnight Special, you get a carbon fork, Shimano 105 groupset, and hydraulic disc brakes. I love the Midnight Special, but it's a hard value proposition.
Fuji Jari 1.5, would love to see how it compares to the others. Wife and I both have them. Love them! 1x SRAM, currently setup all road, 46t front chain ring, 700cx28c Continental 4000 sii tires, but love that we can switch quickly back to gravel....
I got a Trek Checkpoint ALR 4 this year. It is the entry point for the line - I love it. It is aluminum and has mount points all over it. It has adjustable chain stay length. I like it.
Went the flat bar route, my neck injuries don’t like drop bars. The 2022 Trek FX Sport 5 is perfect for my riding needs and super comfortable with plenty of performance. 1x11 gravel drivetrain, 700x40 tires, 22lbs, and can be used for any of my non-MTB rides.
LOVED this video. Please consider doing a review on touring bikes as well. I would love to see the underrated bikes that, in a way, opened the road (literally) to adventure bikes. Specially bikes like the Masi Giramondo, Fuji Touring, Surly Ogre, Salsa Marrakesh, Kona Sutra, etc
Hey Russ. Another great vid. I know you tried the Doppler, but I would like to see you review the Breezer RADAR. I settled on that over the Salsa Journeyman, and I would like to hear your take on it. It's another budget bike! Keep it up!
I'd like for you to review the Specialized AWOL. I love the one I have. I've put so many miles this year since buying it, that I have to force myself to ride some of my other bikes! It's become my default, go-to bike for so many different type of rides. You did the Specialized Diverge. I almost bought that one, but went with the AWOL anyway. Thanks! Love your reviews.
Thanks for the great reviews! I really enjoy your reviews and they're super helpful! I saw the Cannondale recently put out a new line of gravel bikes called the Topstone. Heard they are more on the affordable side as they have stuck to their aluminum heritage. Please consider reviewing!
After riding a cyclocross bike that cost me 1000€ with bigger tires, I went all out and bought myself a lauf seigla rigid weekend warrior ( long name ik) wich turned out to be the perfect gravelbike for me, eventhough it is super race orientated, i mostly like to use it for bikepacking . Especially if you are younger, athletic or don’t care about comfort that much, i would always go for a more racey bike just because it makes riding more fun. ( and even now, 4 years after the Release of this video, you can get alot of gravel bikes with a serious amount of mounting points)
I agree with Russ on gearing, although not mentioned in this video gravel bikes gearing is way to high, if you use it off road in a hilly area the gearing needs to be LOW. I bought a bike that had a 2x set up with 48x32 chainset and a standard 11 speed shimano set up at the back 11 - 32 (I think) I rode a lot of gravel roads in a very hilly area and found that on some of the more bumpy tracks I was walking. So I looked into alternatives as I liked the bike otherwise and came across the derailleur hanger extender which I thought due to its price I will try and see if it works. SO I bought an extender on ebay which bolts where the derailleur would bolt and lowers the mech an inch or thereabouts so my Shimano 105 road mech with the medium cage now runs with a 40 tooth sprocket low gear. (Shimano XT cassette) I have done a few hundred miles now with this set up and there is a little performance drop in terms of gear shifting but its perfectly adequate for me and I now have super low gears for the steep and bumpy trails. Please keep up the good work Russ I'm loving the content.
Great video Russ! I’m looking at getting a gravel bike next spring so this helps. Looking forward to the Otso review I have been drooling over those for a while.
I actually wanted it all so I got a Trek Checkpoint (ALR4) and put a redshift suspension stem on it. Has all the rack and fender mounts, changable wheelbase and clearance for up to 45mm tyres. Pretty happy with it so far although I didn't change much from the initial setup, yet. Just a little bit heavier than some other Gravelbikes but still not what I'd concider to be heavy. At some point I gonna upgrade it with an extra compliant carbon seatpost and that should help with the weight and also add some comfort for longer rides.
I ride my old Genesis Coix de Fer with 1x11 speed derailers and a Surly Open Bars. Brooks saddle and flat pedals. Carradice saddle bag with a 5 liter frame bag is my choice of bags. The other bike is a Project12 Patient Zero with short rigid forks and 2.6" x 29" tires.
+1 for the Giramondo (27.5 version for me), I bought it on a whim a little over a month ago. So far I've done gravel roads, true MTB single track, and a 55 mile road ride. It is by far the most versatile bike I've ever owned.
Great review/explanation. I just purchased a Vitus Substance CRX Adventure bike - it's takes both 650b (which it comes with) and 700c. It is a very solid bike, handles well and comes in a great prices point! Thanks for the info!
Great video again! I'd recommend a look at Sonder bikes from the UK. Small direct sales brand at a low price point for a great bike. Have a Camino AL. Has a growing cult following who are generally pretty evangelical about it
I have bought my very first gravel frame (Csepel Deepspace; 4130 double butted tubes, tapered head-tube, thru axle) I started to disassemble my cyclocross bike and It will get the set from that. Most of my cyclist friend asked me “why steel? “ the reason is simple: I not compete and I hated the harsh, bumpy feeling of aluminum... This bike is built for eternity (+ 1 day) .
If you had to choose, what is one bike that can do it all? 50-70% road & 30-50% gravel and/or mtb paths. I used to have a cannondale synapse carbon and it was amazing, just a bit too "springy" and "snappy" for me. Although I do want something that can snap into action when I want to get out the saddle, I like stability and not fearing for my life going down a hill 😂 I'm considering a new purchase, and these are a few I'm looking at and a few feature's I'd like. Wanted Specs: - Aluminum frame (Unless carbon won't crack on me from a spill lol) - Thru axles front & back. - Clearance for 38/40c tires(I think that's plenty, right?) What's the 29er equivalent for a gravel bike? like...29ers to c tires...? - Complete shimano tiagra/105 groupset preferably - I really like the Giant D-fuse seatpost from what I see. - Hydraulic disc brakes - unless you'd like to convince me I'm better off with mechanical. - More relaxed geometry. - Best bang for the buck lol Options: ***I think the shops near me try to always put a matching shimano crankset on their bikes, so I tried to look past that in these specs. - Giant Contend Ar 1 2020 - Giant Contend Ar 2 2020 - Giant Contend SL 2 disc 2020 (if it can fit bigger tires, though I'm not sure about this bike anymore) - Giant Revolt Advanced 2 2019 - Giant Revolt Advanced 2 2020 (highest cost I want to pay) - Giant Revolt Advanced 3 2020 - Trek Checkpoint AL4 2019 - Trek Checkpoint ALR4 2019 - Trek Checkpoint ALR5 2020 Thank you in advance!!!
Great video, thanks But, I still can't decide on my next gravel bike. Niner RLT steel and the Cannondale slate are also good ones to look at. I've seen the Surlys and also the Breezer Inversion . Anybody have one of these I mentioned?
I think the best ones are the one you already own. I've been putting drop bars on my old rigid mountain bikes since mountain bikes first came out. Never knew they were supposed to be called 'gravel bikes.' Does everything I need in a bombproof steel package. Has cantilever disc brakes with the largest possible rotor size (559mm), and compatible with road levers.
I see someone below mentioned Norco. I recently bought a Threshold cross bike and debated buying a Search instead, but given that I’m on the road more than off I chose the former. They market the Threshold as a cross racer but it has fender mounts, lower bottom bracket and clearance for 42mm tires and was more than plush enough for me. The Search would be right down your alley. Norco being a mountain bike company first, they skew to the plusher side. The top Search has a dropper post. I didn’t need that...
I’d say there were four main reasons I switched to the Search. 1) It came with tubeless ready wheels. I am a total tubeless convert! 2) The ability to run bigger tires with fenders with 650b wheels (one dislike would be that you can’t purchase the bike with 650b wheels unless you ride a smaller frame...I had to purchase the 650b wheel set). 3) The 1X SRAM option vs the double. Really like getting rid of the front derailleur. 4) The extra mounts for cages on the forks, and under the downtube for Bikepacking (which I have done twice on it). I got the Threshold for gravel, but also raced a season of cross. Basically, the Threshold is a cross bike that can do gravel, and the Search is a gravel bike that can do cross.
Colleen Welch I bought the Threshold Carbon Rival 1x, the 2018. I was previously on a Brodie Romax cross as my only bike, so I’m used to the cross bikes. Like you I wanted the 1x, and also wanted thru axles and hydraulic discs. The model I bought also has tubeless wheels, which I also want to try. I’ve also been throwing around the idea of doing a bit of cross, and the rides I do are probably 90% on road, 10% off. I wanted it to be able to do everything, but have a road bias. I like to run fenders and big tires. I only have one other bike, a Surly Big Dummy, so the Threshold is a mostly everything bike for me, if I’m not carrying cargo. If I were going to get another bike it would be an all mountain full suspension MTB, 27.5+. I don’t feel like I need a road or gravel specific bike with the Threshold, it covers a wide range for me.
Trek Checkpoint AL 3, Felt Breed 40, Felt Broam, Giant, Liv's 2019 Gravel bike, Jamis(Any more basic brands that maybe should or shouldn't be ruled out). Pretty much entry level $1000 or under with females and unisex both included pretty please! Oh and internal cables and disc breaks a must- From a fellow PNWer thoroughly in over their head with options
Ragley Trig, Pipedream A.L.I.C.E. are 2 I'm looking at now. Long time mtb rider, looking at maybe getting into some gravel riding for multiple reasons. Thanks!
Great video covering a lot of questions I know I've had in the past. One thing I think you could have spend a minute on is actual tire sizes. 48 vs 40s vs 50s vs 2-inch range vs as high as 3-inch. I have a 2017 Fargo with 27.5x3 WTB Rangers and have been debating whether I should just swap tires to something a little smoother and faster rolling like the Schwalbe G-One All around or to just bite the bullet and build out a second set of wheels for tires in the 50 range. I've heard very positive things about the 2.8 inch G-One All arounds, but I fear that might handicap me when I take my Fargo on some of the loose singletrack we have in Nevada.
@@PathLessPedaledTV That's a fair point. And I think that's why folks like myself get so stumped. I see people online riding gravel on little 30-40mm tires, but my local "gravel roads" would probably shred small tires like that! Thanks again!
A good overall of your bike reviews. Bikes suggestions to review, Cannondale Topstone, and the Felt Breed. The Felt on paper is shipped with 650B and the geometry looks fast. The top model has a 11-42 cassette and a 42 t 1x gearing. Looks Schweet! I'd like to hear your take on gearing in terms of climbing and top end, single vs cyclocross double, etc. and in your opinion a good in between compromise for us old men who need to climb these gravel mountain roads in Pennsylvania. Great work and by the way I really liked your analogy of the Dirty Kanza course and a bad relationship. Great stuff!
@@PathLessPedaledTV Gearing options would be a great video, highlighting available sub compact cranks (Sugino, FSA, Rotor, etc), rear derailleur hacks (Wolfstooth, new Shimano ones that unofficially take bigger than the offical 34 tooth cassette, etc), how combos work, etc.
You could try contacting KinesisUK. They are focused on long distance riding in general, definitely more on the bikepacking side than classic touring though. I ride the aluminium Tripster AT myself and love it to bits!
If I were to go with only 1 bike and no other choice, I would go with a gravel bike. Luckily I can have nice things. I have a road and MTB. The cheapest and most practical conversion to a gravel would be a MTB. Road brifters are not compatible with MTB gearing. But I wish there was a transforming straight bar to a bull horn bar. The bar ends would simply bend forward. Voila, you're in the hood position of a drop bar. There is a convertible bar, bull horns to TT aero position. So it's not so far fetched.
If you're dealing with chunky gravel roads, I find the longer wheelbase to be really helpful. May just be me but I find the bike is better at following a straight line (slightly) with a longer wheelbase. Of course, the head tube angle is more important in that regard.
Enjoying your videos and reviews. It banes me to think Gravel bikes losing mounts at least critical ones that make the bikes versatile for all a round use like basic fender and rack mounts. Heck I think its ridiculous that Cross bikes usually dont have fender mounts yet they make some of the most fun and suitable winter training and commuting bikes. At least there is more choice now than ever before and videos like this one are very helpful figuring out what's best for your needs.
Russ, great content like always. I’ve been considering the Rove for a bit, looking forward to the review! BTW with this much good content I decided to Patreon up, you deserve it, Cheers
Really glad I stumbled onto this channel. So many things makes so much more sense since I watched your videos. If possible contact Fairlight and see if you could test Fairlight Secan. Thanks !
I have discovered 80's and 90's rigid MTB frames with their large tire clearance to be excellent gravel bike foundations. Kitted out with big supple gravel tires, new components, i.e., upgraded brake pads, 1x10 or 11 clutch drivetrains (or keep the 3x7 or 8) etc. and drop bars. Damn I love these old school MTB frames. I have done so with a 1982 Peugeot Crazy Horse and a 1997 Trek Mountain Track. It's a blast! :D :D
I'd say if you're serious about a gravel bike, talk to a bike fitter first to ensure you're getting something that's going to work with you. It ends up being too much time in the saddle to have things wrong. I've owned and been riding the Trek Boone Disc in carbon for a few years which has been built up for my "racier" rides. A while back I bought a GT Peace Tour frame off Nashbar for about $40 that was old stock in my size, and built it up as a commuter. I did a 310mi charity ride from Pittsburgh to Wash. DC I ended up riding the GT Peace Tour because the fit and angles are so much better than the Trek. I'd say some great values out there are the Jamis Renegade, Raleigh Willard/Amelia are heavily overlooked (Tamland if your budget is higher), Trek Checkpoints, if you have the $$ go with one with IsoSpeed. Soma, I've heard that the C'dale Topstone is doing something right.
Great video. I have been toying with the idea of switching my Jamis Exphat to 650b but being a little over 6ft I think I’ll just buy some of the widest tires that’s it’s capable of running. 🍺🍺🍺🍺
Interesting. But I need one to replace my Cannondale Sunspse (2015 with rim brakes) just to smooth out my rides on this damn “chip seal” crap on “paved” roads in Texas! Just need lower pressure. Right now I’m riding a hard tail MTB on it just so I can keep riding. Enjoyed this series of videos! Thanks!
And another suggestion, if you don't mind: This video covers wheel and tyre sizes and geometry. Excellent! Then you promised to talk about drivetrains, so this we have covered as well. Check! What is left? The whole area of ergonomy: adventure handlebars, "supple frames", "supple seat posts". Now, many companies come with some kind of suspension: Specialized Future Shock, C-Dale Slate, Lauf fork, Canyon Hoverbar, suspension posts... Any views on that?
Try out the new offerings from Black Mountain Cycles! They have their classic monstercross but now have an all road 650b bike and a disc monster cross bike
Tires - you want 40c or thereabouts. Brakes - you want hydraulic discs. Gears - you want LOW. When I cracked the frame on my "cyclocross" bike, I picked up a Cannondale Topstone 105.
I think you should try to get a hold of the new Nukeproof Digger Pro that's coming out next month. The price is killer and can take all kinds of tire sizes.
Do a budget version of this with entry level bikes. most of us really don’t have 2k$ to drop on something. (Salsa Journeyman, Fuji Jari range around 600-800$).
I would say more accessories reviews, not only bikes. How to organize/pack (recently I found out Wolftooth product/system, Brad, looks promising) for a trip -- I mean how to squeeze everything from the frame capacity. One note about choosing gravel bike is to check geometry for stretch (how far you can reach) and for toe overlap, coming from MTB world is too easy to forget that this is an issue with bikes designed for dropbars. And also -- picking up 1X bike is not a bad thing but such bike will be rather limited for particular task, so it rather contradicts gravel idea, but of course if such purchase is a conscious decision, why not...
Hey Russ, you often express your likes and dislikes with the stock drive trains that come with the bikes you review but I don't really understand the difference and the mechanics between the 1x and 2x f werivetrains. Could you do a video breaking it down and explaining how I know if the drivetrain that's coming with the bike is worth it or if I should ask them to switch it out at the time of purchase? If I'm going to spend two grand on a bike can I expect that theyll switch out the drivetrain if I ask?
Yeah, with due respect, in this video you did not touch that subject -- drivetrains -- and it is often overlooked. Many bikes have drivetrains directly from road bikes. When it isn't enough? What short gears and when we may need? Same for faster gears. For whom 1x is good, when it is not.
Can you recommend a gravel bike that my wife and I should consider? We will ride the rails-to-trails in PA (very clean, smooth, level trail) and a little road. Normal distance will be ~ 15 miles. We are active adults (we both run) but are not looking to race, nor speed, more enjoyment (trails have a speed limit of 15mph). We are in our late 50’s. Maybe one option in the $400-$600 range and another in the $1000-$1,500 range. Thank you!
Russ.. great video.. My Salsa Journeyman 650 B Sora is great for me.. looking forward to getting me a Surly Straggler 650B soon.. waiting to see what new colors come out..🚵🏽♂️👍🏽#650BSUPPLELIFE
I'm like a problem child, somewhere in the middle. I'm 5'8" but I ride a 56cm. My inseam is 34". So I would love to try the 650B but worried that my bike is too big at 56cm. Both my gravel and road bike is 56cm and they fit me perfect. I'm just short of 60 and would love a little more easy run on that Red Texas Mud!
Thinking to buy gravel bike, never had one before. At my country we have a lot of good gravel roads. I would mostly ride loops like long uphills from 5 to 15 km around 6 to 10 % and back. Realy love the look and simplicity of 1x draviterain. Planning to buy Canyon grail AL 7.0 bike w SRAM Rival1 front 38 and 11-42T in the back. I am solid recreational rider. Would driveterain like that be proper for uphill riding?
Hi, been gratefully watching you videos for some time. Would you look at the Lauf gravel bike and offer a review! Also what do you think of the Checkpoint ALR5.
Very helpful. As someone looking to get a little more sturdy bike, this has been one of the few channels to find balanced reviews. For me, I find it difficult to find good information on those steel racy bike that can run sort of narrow to full on supple. Thank you. I loved to see a special episode of the bourbon series such as: "bikes built on bourbon.". :) The bar tape wrapping could be a sobriety test.
Hi Russ, great job on the videos, really helpful. I am interested in the Otso Warakin, a bit pricey to upgrade but looks like a great one bike does it all bike?
@@PathLessPedaledTV I believe that it does have fender strut mounts on the inside of the fork, but no other mount options. really torn right now, I want a 650b but with a bit more relaxed head tube angle than the MS, and steel frame. So many options, mind boggling!
Great video. What’s your opinion on steel, titanium, carbon and aluminum? I have an Exploro but considering a steel Norco or maybe even a Moots. Keep up the good work!!
Where do your good old Salsa Vaya’s fall vs “gravel bikes”? We have Vayas and enjoy them for varied types of riding. What is the difference between the Vaya and a gravel bike?
The Vaya is a definitely a gravel bike. It's an all-rounder / light tourer and many people used it/still use it for grave before other options were available. Definitely capable of gravel and a lot more. In terms of handling, its closer to the more stable end of the spectrum.
Thank you. You and Laura have had much influence on our bike choices and usage. We have Bromptons, Vayas, and titanium road bikes. Been following you since early Brompton days and love your content.
Really nice video. I look forward to seeing the video about turning your old road bike into a gravel bike. Have you already made this one or is it yet to come?
I understand you prefer drop bars, but are there flat bar bikes that are "gravel" bikes? Our would that just fall into the mountain bike category? I'm thinking of the Surly Bridge Club, maybe...
Hey Russ! Long time viewer/fan. Love your review vids as well as your route/travel/event ride vids! I would love it if you could get a 2019 Giant Revolt Advanced 2 to review. Particularly interested in what you think about their custom mech/hydro system and their d-fuse dampening seat post and front end. Also super interested in how you think a 650b wheelset would work with its geometry. I'm a shorter rider so looking to 650b x 40 instead of the 700 x 40 that comes with it.
Hi Russ, I see you have a pair of Quoc. Have you done a long term review on them yet.I just received mine and I am saving them until I get my new gravel bike build.
Since you already have 128 comments on this video (I skimmed them all!), someone may have already suggested this, but how about a Thesis OB1? Randall (the founder) doesn't have a lot of bikes to let out to demo, but it's worth asking. He would also be a great PLP subject. Also, curious that you referred to where you are as the Pacific Northwest. Missoula? Hmmm.
Russ, as someone who is new to this whole bike thing I really appreciate all of your videos!!! They’ve helped me learn lots and get even more excited about exploring by bike. I think a review of the new 2019 Salsa Vaya and a comparison to how it has changed (since it’s been around for so long) might be worthwhile. Thank you for making such great and honest content!
I moved from a Salsa Pistola road bike to a Trek CheckPoint ALR last spring and I'm loving it. I run GravelKing 38 mm slicks -- tubeless, of course -- and it's great both on pavement and the semi-packed loose-over-hard country roads around me.
Jason... How does your gravel bike handle on pavement? I'm assuming you are using as a road bike when on gravel? Or do you swap out the gravel tires for road tires?
Felt Breed 20/30 when they are available. 420 mm CS. Similarly to Midnight Special (420mm CS) and 650B tires, but with a slacker front end and slightly longer WB. For the same price as the Midnight Special, you get a carbon fork, Shimano 105 groupset, and hydraulic disc brakes. I love the Midnight Special, but it's a hard value proposition.
Fuji Jari 1.5, would love to see how it compares to the others. Wife and I both have them. Love them! 1x SRAM, currently setup all road, 46t front chain ring, 700cx28c Continental 4000 sii tires, but love that we can switch quickly back to gravel....
I got a Trek Checkpoint ALR 4 this year. It is the entry point for the line - I love it. It is aluminum and has mount points all over it. It has adjustable chain stay length. I like it.
Cool. Didn't know you could adjust the CS on the Checkpoints.
Went the flat bar route, my neck injuries don’t like drop bars. The 2022 Trek FX Sport 5 is perfect for my riding needs and super comfortable with plenty of performance. 1x11 gravel drivetrain, 700x40 tires, 22lbs, and can be used for any of my non-MTB rides.
Hi Russ, Can tell how hard you are working on your channel as you do lots of vids! Sometimes multiple in same day. You
re doing a good job! Thanks.
LOVED this video. Please consider doing a review on touring bikes as well. I would love to see the underrated bikes that, in a way, opened the road (literally) to adventure bikes. Specially bikes like the Masi Giramondo, Fuji Touring, Surly Ogre, Salsa Marrakesh, Kona Sutra, etc
This was a really good video! Lots of great info that lots of channels don't really talk about.
Hey Russ. Another great vid. I know you tried the Doppler, but I would like to see you review the Breezer RADAR. I settled on that over the Salsa Journeyman, and I would like to hear your take on it. It's another budget bike! Keep it up!
I'd like for you to review the Specialized AWOL. I love the one I have. I've put so many miles this year since buying it, that I have to force myself to ride some of my other bikes! It's become my default, go-to bike for so many different type of rides. You did the Specialized Diverge. I almost bought that one, but went with the AWOL anyway. Thanks! Love your reviews.
Thanks for the great reviews! I really enjoy your reviews and they're super helpful!
I saw the Cannondale recently put out a new line of gravel bikes called the Topstone. Heard they are more on the affordable side as they have stuck to their aluminum heritage. Please consider reviewing!
I'm really curious about the Topstone.
I would love a “Best Gravel Bikes Around $1,000” sort of video if you don’t already have one on the channel.
Keep up the good work!
Include entry level bikes please.
Salsa journeyman is a great choice around $1000 you can get it with 700c wheels or 650b wheels. I also hear good things about the specialty diverge.
After riding a cyclocross bike that cost me 1000€ with bigger tires, I went all out and bought myself a lauf seigla rigid weekend warrior ( long name ik) wich turned out to be the perfect gravelbike for me, eventhough it is super race orientated, i mostly like to use it for bikepacking . Especially if you are younger, athletic or don’t care about comfort that much, i would always go for a more racey bike just because it makes riding more fun. ( and even now, 4 years after the Release of this video, you can get alot of gravel bikes with a serious amount of mounting points)
I agree with Russ on gearing, although not mentioned in this video gravel bikes gearing is way to high, if you use it off road in a hilly area the gearing needs to be LOW. I bought a bike that had a 2x set up with 48x32 chainset and a standard 11 speed shimano set up at the back 11 - 32 (I think) I rode a lot of gravel roads in a very hilly area and found that on some of the more bumpy tracks I was walking. So I looked into alternatives as I liked the bike otherwise and came across the derailleur hanger extender which I thought due to its price I will try and see if it works. SO I bought an extender on ebay which bolts where the derailleur would bolt and lowers the mech an inch or thereabouts so my Shimano 105 road mech with the medium cage now runs with a 40 tooth sprocket low gear. (Shimano XT cassette) I have done a few hundred miles now with this set up and there is a little performance drop in terms of gear shifting but its perfectly adequate for me and I now have super low gears for the steep and bumpy trails. Please keep up the good work Russ I'm loving the content.
Cannondale Topstone Sora, Nukeproof Digger, Ghost Road Rage, Opus Spark 4 AE, KHS Grit 110, Masi CXGR Comp, Raleigh Willard 3.
Added to the list of bikes to try to review.
Great video Russ! I’m looking at getting a gravel bike next spring so this helps. Looking forward to the Otso review I have been drooling over those for a while.
I actually wanted it all so I got a Trek Checkpoint (ALR4) and put a redshift suspension stem on it. Has all the rack and fender mounts, changable wheelbase and clearance for up to 45mm tyres. Pretty happy with it so far although I didn't change much from the initial setup, yet. Just a little bit heavier than some other Gravelbikes but still not what I'd concider to be heavy. At some point I gonna upgrade it with an extra compliant carbon seatpost and that should help with the weight and also add some comfort for longer rides.
Great video, thanks for the info. .. building one from older road bike soon hopefully .... purchasing one within the next year hopefully
I ride my old Genesis Coix de Fer with 1x11 speed derailers and a Surly Open Bars. Brooks saddle and flat pedals. Carradice saddle bag with a 5 liter frame bag is my choice of bags. The other bike is a Project12 Patient Zero with short rigid forks and 2.6" x 29" tires.
The Masi Giramondo is one of the most versatile bikes I’ve ever ridden. Highly recommend it. I have the 700c version and I ride it everywhere.
+1 for the Giramondo (27.5 version for me), I bought it on a whim a little over a month ago. So far I've done gravel roads, true MTB single track, and a 55 mile road ride. It is by far the most versatile bike I've ever owned.
Great review/explanation. I just purchased a Vitus Substance CRX Adventure bike - it's takes both 650b (which it comes with) and 700c. It is a very solid bike, handles well and comes in a great prices point! Thanks for the info!
Great video again! I'd recommend a look at Sonder bikes from the UK. Small direct sales brand at a low price point for a great bike. Have a Camino AL. Has a growing cult following who are generally pretty evangelical about it
I have bought my very first gravel frame (Csepel Deepspace; 4130 double butted tubes, tapered head-tube, thru axle) I started to disassemble my cyclocross bike and It will get the set from that. Most of my cyclist friend asked me “why steel? “ the reason is simple: I not compete and I hated the harsh, bumpy feeling of aluminum... This bike is built for eternity (+ 1 day) .
If you had to choose, what is one bike that can do it all?
50-70% road & 30-50% gravel and/or mtb paths.
I used to have a cannondale synapse carbon and it was amazing, just a bit too "springy" and "snappy" for me. Although I do want something that can snap into action when I want to get out the saddle, I like stability and not fearing for my life going down a hill 😂
I'm considering a new purchase, and these are a few I'm looking at and a few feature's I'd like.
Wanted Specs:
- Aluminum frame (Unless carbon won't crack on me from a spill lol)
- Thru axles front & back.
- Clearance for 38/40c tires(I think that's plenty, right?) What's the 29er equivalent for a gravel bike? like...29ers to c tires...?
- Complete shimano tiagra/105 groupset preferably
- I really like the Giant D-fuse seatpost from what I see.
- Hydraulic disc brakes - unless you'd like to convince me I'm better off with mechanical.
- More relaxed geometry.
- Best bang for the buck lol
Options:
***I think the shops near me try to always put a matching shimano crankset on their bikes, so I tried to look past that in these specs.
- Giant Contend Ar 1 2020
- Giant Contend Ar 2 2020
- Giant Contend SL 2 disc 2020 (if it can fit bigger tires, though I'm not sure about this bike anymore)
- Giant Revolt Advanced 2 2019
- Giant Revolt Advanced 2 2020 (highest cost I want to pay)
- Giant Revolt Advanced 3 2020
- Trek Checkpoint AL4 2019
- Trek Checkpoint ALR4 2019
- Trek Checkpoint ALR5 2020
Thank you in advance!!!
Great video, thanks But, I still can't decide on my next gravel bike. Niner RLT steel and the Cannondale slate are also good ones to look at. I've seen the Surlys and also the Breezer Inversion . Anybody have one of these I mentioned?
I think the best ones are the one you already own. I've been putting drop bars on my old rigid mountain bikes since mountain bikes first came out. Never knew they were supposed to be called 'gravel bikes.' Does everything I need in a bombproof steel package. Has cantilever disc brakes with the largest possible rotor size (559mm), and compatible with road levers.
Great ,helpful& enjoyable video!you are a great speaker and what drew me in to be a subscribing viewer almost a yr.ago yea!!🤗
I see someone below mentioned Norco. I recently bought a Threshold cross bike and debated buying a Search instead, but given that I’m on the road more than off I chose the former. They market the Threshold as a cross racer but it has fender mounts, lower bottom bracket and clearance for 42mm tires and was more than plush enough for me. The Search would be right down your alley. Norco being a mountain bike company first, they skew to the plusher side. The top Search has a dropper post. I didn’t need that...
Excuse me...'supple' not 'plush'.
I had the Threshold, sold it, and bought the Search XR. Just recently switched to 650B wheels and bigger tires. Absolutely love it!
Sounds supple! What was the biggest diff for you bw the Thresh and Search?
I’d say there were four main reasons I switched to the Search. 1) It came with tubeless ready wheels. I am a total tubeless convert! 2) The ability to run bigger tires with fenders with 650b wheels (one dislike would be that you can’t purchase the bike with 650b wheels unless you ride a smaller frame...I had to purchase the 650b wheel set). 3) The 1X SRAM option vs the double. Really like getting rid of the front derailleur. 4) The extra mounts for cages on the forks, and under the downtube for Bikepacking (which I have done twice on it). I got the Threshold for gravel, but also raced a season of cross. Basically, the Threshold is a cross bike that can do gravel, and the Search is a gravel bike that can do cross.
Colleen Welch I bought the Threshold Carbon Rival 1x, the 2018. I was previously on a Brodie Romax cross as my only bike, so I’m used to the cross bikes. Like you I wanted the 1x, and also wanted thru axles and hydraulic discs. The model I bought also has tubeless wheels, which I also want to try. I’ve also been throwing around the idea of doing a bit of cross, and the rides I do are probably 90% on road, 10% off. I wanted it to be able to do everything, but have a road bias. I like to run fenders and big tires. I only have one other bike, a Surly Big Dummy, so the Threshold is a mostly everything bike for me, if I’m not carrying cargo. If I were going to get another bike it would be an all mountain full suspension MTB, 27.5+. I don’t feel like I need a road or gravel specific bike with the Threshold, it covers a wide range for me.
Trek Checkpoint AL 3, Felt Breed 40, Felt Broam, Giant, Liv's 2019 Gravel bike, Jamis(Any more basic brands that maybe should or shouldn't be ruled out). Pretty much entry level $1000 or under with females and unisex both included pretty please! Oh and internal cables and disc breaks a must- From a fellow PNWer thoroughly in over their head with options
Ragley Trig, Pipedream A.L.I.C.E. are 2 I'm looking at now. Long time mtb rider, looking at maybe getting into some gravel riding for multiple reasons. Thanks!
Great video covering a lot of questions I know I've had in the past. One thing I think you could have spend a minute on is actual tire sizes. 48 vs 40s vs 50s vs 2-inch range vs as high as 3-inch.
I have a 2017 Fargo with 27.5x3 WTB Rangers and have been debating whether I should just swap tires to something a little smoother and faster rolling like the Schwalbe G-One All around or to just bite the bullet and build out a second set of wheels for tires in the 50 range. I've heard very positive things about the 2.8 inch G-One All arounds, but I fear that might handicap me when I take my Fargo on some of the loose singletrack we have in Nevada.
That's a hard topic since it is so terrain specific but I can try to make that in a vid.
@@PathLessPedaledTV That's a fair point. And I think that's why folks like myself get so stumped. I see people online riding gravel on little 30-40mm tires, but my local "gravel roads" would probably shred small tires like that! Thanks again!
I would really like to see a review on the Cinelli Zydeco, if possible. Thank you for all the reviews of these awesome bikes!
A good overall of your bike reviews. Bikes suggestions to review, Cannondale Topstone, and the Felt Breed. The Felt on paper is shipped with 650B and the geometry looks fast. The top model has a 11-42 cassette and a 42 t 1x gearing. Looks Schweet! I'd like to hear your take on gearing in terms of climbing and top end, single vs cyclocross double, etc. and in your opinion a good in between compromise for us old men who need to climb these gravel mountain roads in Pennsylvania.
Great work and by the way I really liked your analogy of the Dirty Kanza course and a bad relationship. Great stuff!
Gearing is another issue to address!
@@PathLessPedaledTV Gearing options would be a great video, highlighting available sub compact cranks (Sugino, FSA, Rotor, etc), rear derailleur hacks (Wolfstooth, new Shimano ones that unofficially take bigger than the offical 34 tooth cassette, etc), how combos work, etc.
You could try contacting KinesisUK.
They are focused on long distance riding in general, definitely more on the bikepacking side than classic touring though.
I ride the aluminium Tripster AT myself and love it to bits!
I got myself a Kinesis AT in feb. I love it so much!
If I were to go with only 1 bike and no other choice, I would go with a gravel bike. Luckily I can have nice things. I have a road and MTB. The cheapest and most practical conversion to a gravel would be a MTB. Road brifters are not compatible with MTB gearing. But I wish there was a transforming straight bar to a bull horn bar. The bar ends would simply bend forward. Voila, you're in the hood position of a drop bar. There is a convertible bar, bull horns to TT aero position. So it's not so far fetched.
Could you please try to review the Soma fog cutter , you're on they you tube like list! 😉👍
If you're dealing with chunky gravel roads, I find the longer wheelbase to be really helpful. May just be me but I find the bike is better at following a straight line (slightly) with a longer wheelbase. Of course, the head tube angle is more important in that regard.
It depends on how u want your bike to feel. Some prefer the added stability, some like the rear end a little rowdy.
Enjoying your videos and reviews. It banes me to think Gravel bikes losing mounts at least critical ones that make the bikes versatile for all a round use like basic fender and rack mounts. Heck I think its ridiculous that Cross bikes usually dont have fender mounts yet they make some of the most fun and suitable winter training and commuting bikes. At least there is more choice now than ever before and videos like this one are very helpful figuring out what's best for your needs.
Russ, great content like always. I’ve been considering the Rove for a bit, looking forward to the review! BTW with this much good content I decided to Patreon up, you deserve it, Cheers
Awesome. Thanks for supporting the channel!
Would like to see you review the new Giant Revolt gravel bike
Great introduction! Suggested reviews: Cannondale Topstone, Ribble CGR Ti, New Canyon Grail AL without doubledecker handlebar, Sonder Camino Ti
Great reviews. I would like to see you review the Raleigh Tamland, Fuji Jari (aluminum) and the offerings from Black Mountain Cycles. Thanks.
Will add to the list for next spring.
Really glad I stumbled onto this channel. So many things makes so much more sense since I watched your videos. If possible contact Fairlight and see if you could test Fairlight Secan.
Thanks !
I have a Secan on the way and it'll be very interesting comparing it to my Soma Fog Cutter. Fairlight is a super interesting company.
Dig the outro music. Very 80s cop show esque!
Great overview; I’d love to see a comparison chart; maybe 3D with chainstay length on X, some measure of trail on Y, and max tire clearance on Z.
Great vid as always, Russ. I'd love to see a review of Bombtrack's 2019 Audax, Hook EXT and EXT-C if you're able to get a hold of them.
I have discovered 80's and 90's rigid MTB frames with their large tire clearance to be excellent gravel bike foundations. Kitted out with big supple gravel tires, new components, i.e., upgraded brake pads, 1x10 or 11 clutch drivetrains (or keep the 3x7 or 8) etc. and drop bars. Damn I love these old school MTB frames. I have done so with a 1982 Peugeot Crazy Horse and a 1997 Trek Mountain Track. It's a blast! :D :D
I'd say if you're serious about a gravel bike, talk to a bike fitter first to ensure you're getting something that's going to work with you. It ends up being too much time in the saddle to have things wrong. I've owned and been riding the Trek Boone Disc in carbon for a few years which has been built up for my "racier" rides. A while back I bought a GT Peace Tour frame off Nashbar for about $40 that was old stock in my size, and built it up as a commuter. I did a 310mi charity ride from Pittsburgh to Wash. DC I ended up riding the GT Peace Tour because the fit and angles are so much better than the Trek.
I'd say some great values out there are the Jamis Renegade, Raleigh Willard/Amelia are heavily overlooked (Tamland if your budget is higher), Trek Checkpoints, if you have the $$ go with one with IsoSpeed. Soma, I've heard that the C'dale Topstone is doing something right.
A look at Surly Bridge Club would be swell
Great video. I have been toying with the idea of switching my Jamis Exphat to 650b but being a little over 6ft I think I’ll just buy some of the widest tires that’s it’s capable of running. 🍺🍺🍺🍺
Please review: Jamis, surly, raleigh, and up and coming companies.
Keep up the good work.
A review on the Jamis Renegade line would be nice.
Omg that quick picture of the Canyon gravel bike with the two handlebars... "WTF" is correct
Would like to see a review of the Jamis Renegade and Jamis Sequel.
Chris Lonsberry... I would as well. I don’t hear enough about Jamis and where they rank among other brands.
I would love to see a review on a Schwinn Vantage RX1, its a mid priced bike I’d like to hear something about.
great stuff Russ, I really enjoy your reviews. I just got my t-shirt too! :)
Interesting. But I need one to replace my Cannondale Sunspse (2015 with rim brakes) just to smooth out my rides on this damn “chip seal” crap on “paved” roads in Texas! Just need lower pressure. Right now I’m riding a hard tail MTB on it just so I can keep riding. Enjoyed this series of videos! Thanks!
Hei Russ, another great video, thanks a lot! Great job!!
You want a suggestion? Moots Baxter -- both with and w-out susp. fork!! And not only this one bike, the whole MONSTERCROSS area as well.
And another suggestion, if you don't mind: This video covers wheel and tyre sizes and geometry. Excellent! Then you promised to talk about drivetrains, so this we have covered as well. Check! What is left? The whole area of ergonomy: adventure handlebars, "supple frames", "supple seat posts". Now, many companies come with some kind of suspension: Specialized Future Shock, C-Dale Slate, Lauf fork, Canyon Hoverbar, suspension posts... Any views on that?
Try out the new offerings from Black Mountain Cycles! They have their classic monstercross but now have an all road 650b bike and a disc monster cross bike
Those Black Mountain Cycles look rad.
Great video Russ,great info that I can use. Thanks
Tires - you want 40c or thereabouts. Brakes - you want hydraulic discs. Gears - you want LOW. When I cracked the frame on my "cyclocross" bike, I picked up a Cannondale Topstone 105.
47 or bust for us :)
I think you should try to get a hold of the new Nukeproof Digger Pro that's coming out next month. The price is killer and can take all kinds of tire sizes.
Do a budget version of this with entry level bikes. most of us really don’t have 2k$ to drop on something. (Salsa Journeyman, Fuji Jari range around 600-800$).
Reviewed the Journeyman! Aventon review coming.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Curious on how you feel about direct to consumer bikes like motobecane?
Wandering Sailor generally skeptical at lower price points.
Agree.
Budget gravel bike: get older steel-frame mountain bike on Craigslist for under $100, put drop bar on it if you must and....you have a gravel bike!
So harsh on that midnight special fork....lol... I love it. Trying to decide between midnight special and the bombora. $$$$$ ouch
Its fine and functional...just makes my eyes die :)
@@PathLessPedaledTV LMAO, still the best bike reviewer! Now if I can just make up my mind on what to buy.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I'm with you on Crust making the Bombora a production bike!
I would say more accessories reviews, not only bikes. How to organize/pack (recently I found out Wolftooth product/system, Brad, looks promising) for a trip -- I mean how to squeeze everything from the frame capacity. One note about choosing gravel bike is to check geometry for stretch (how far you can reach) and for toe overlap, coming from MTB world is too easy to forget that this is an issue with bikes designed for dropbars. And also -- picking up 1X bike is not a bad thing but such bike will be rather limited for particular task, so it rather contradicts gravel idea, but of course if such purchase is a conscious decision, why not...
Please review the Kona Sutra LTD and Trek. You seem to have your favorite off brands.
Hey Russ, you often express your likes and dislikes with the stock drive trains that come with the bikes you review but I don't really understand the difference and the mechanics between the 1x and 2x f werivetrains. Could you do a video breaking it down and explaining how I know if the drivetrain that's coming with the bike is worth it or if I should ask them to switch it out at the time of purchase? If I'm going to spend two grand on a bike can I expect that theyll switch out the drivetrain if I ask?
That would be a good one.
Seconded, I would really like to see that as well.
Yeah, with due respect, in this video you did not touch that subject -- drivetrains -- and it is often overlooked. Many bikes have drivetrains directly from road bikes. When it isn't enough? What short gears and when we may need? Same for faster gears. For whom 1x is good, when it is not.
Zbigniew Andruszkiewicz Topic for a future video. If I talked about everything in on one video it could go on for hours :)
All the gravel...great video and great Info
Can you recommend a gravel bike that my wife and I should consider? We will ride the rails-to-trails in PA (very clean, smooth, level trail) and a little road. Normal distance will be ~ 15 miles. We are active adults (we both run) but are not looking to race, nor speed, more enjoyment (trails have a speed limit of 15mph). We are in our late 50’s. Maybe one option in the $400-$600 range and another in the $1000-$1,500 range. Thank you!
Russ.. great video.. My Salsa Journeyman 650 B Sora is great for me.. looking forward to getting me a Surly Straggler 650B soon.. waiting to see what new colors come out..🚵🏽♂️👍🏽#650BSUPPLELIFE
I'm like a problem child, somewhere in the middle. I'm 5'8" but I ride a 56cm. My inseam is 34". So I would love to try the 650B but worried that my bike is too big at 56cm. Both my gravel and road bike is 56cm and they fit me perfect. I'm just short of 60 and would love a little more easy run on that Red Texas Mud!
Topstone cannondale and giant revolt please 😁😁😁
Jamis Renegade!
Expat
Ross.. you need to review this: Norco Search XR Steel
Norco demos are super hard to get. Been working on that for the last year as well. Can keep trying.
Thanks for getting your hands on the Sequoia.
Next season do you think you’ll be able to review Rodeo Labs Trail Donkey and Flanimal?
Sent them a message a while back. Hopefully they can put aside a demo bike.
What if your have ridden only hardtail mountainbikes and want a gravelbike
My travel bike is one of my old steel, rigid Konas with drop bars.......they do it all.
Have you ever thought about a bamboo frame bike. Im thinking about getting the kit and building it.
Great video. Really value your reviews. How about giving the Pugsley 2.0 for a review. 4.3 inch tires... many mounting points... great on gravel.
Frame Material choice? Can Carbon become damaged from a slung rock? Try and do a LITESPEED Gravel / Cherohala review if you could #TIBIKE.
How would you rife on gravel with a bike with fat tires but very flat and no grip. I have bought a cyclocross 2 years ago.
What are your thoughts on the Trek Checkpoint. I'm new to cycling, and your videos have been very helpful. Thank you
Thinking to buy gravel bike, never had one before. At my country we have a lot of good gravel roads. I would mostly ride loops like long uphills from 5 to 15 km around 6 to 10 % and back.
Realy love the look and simplicity of 1x draviterain. Planning to buy Canyon grail AL 7.0 bike w SRAM Rival1 front 38 and 11-42T in the back.
I am solid recreational rider. Would driveterain like that be proper for uphill riding?
Sure. Without a load. I would swap to a 46 but that is because I'm always carrying crap with me.
how about the Bombtrack Hook ext, the Surley ECR 29+, SAlsa Fargo GX 29 and the Australian made Curve GXR (Titanium), or the , many thanks
Hi, been gratefully watching you videos for some time. Would you look at the Lauf gravel bike and offer a review! Also what do you think of the Checkpoint ALR5.
Low-end and high-end checkpoint comparison!
Been riding my surly disc trucker a ton on gravel. May but be a “gravel bike” but with compass tires it eats up gravel
Very helpful. As someone looking to get a little more sturdy bike, this has been one of the few channels to find balanced reviews. For me, I find it difficult to find good information on those steel racy bike that can run sort of narrow to full on supple. Thank you.
I loved to see a special episode of the bourbon series such as: "bikes built on bourbon.". :) The bar tape wrapping could be a sobriety test.
Review the Cannondale Topstone 105. I love it and want to hear your opinion.
Hi Russ, great job on the videos, really helpful. I am interested in the Otso Warakin, a bit pricey to upgrade but looks like a great one bike does it all bike?
Yes. It’s fun and has adjustable rear geo. No mounts in the front tho.
Yea, that is one thing i'm a bit put off by, I wonder if a different fork could be fitted?
@@PathLessPedaledTV
@@banjercat Yes.
@@PathLessPedaledTV I believe that it does have fender strut mounts on the inside of the fork, but no other mount options. really torn right now, I want a 650b but with a bit more relaxed head tube angle than the MS, and steel frame. So many options, mind boggling!
Brandon Sumner check out the End Point Hunter Gatherer.
Great video. What’s your opinion on steel, titanium, carbon and aluminum? I have an Exploro but considering a steel Norco or maybe even a Moots. Keep up the good work!!
Hi Russ! Any tips about bike fit for gravel/non competitive/long distance riders?
BTW, I love your channel. Keep it supple!
Where do your good old Salsa Vaya’s fall vs “gravel bikes”? We have Vayas and enjoy them for varied types of riding. What is the difference between the Vaya and a gravel bike?
The Vaya is a definitely a gravel bike. It's an all-rounder / light tourer and many people used it/still use it for grave before other options were available. Definitely capable of gravel and a lot more. In terms of handling, its closer to the more stable end of the spectrum.
Thank you. You and Laura have had much influence on our bike choices and usage. We have Bromptons, Vayas, and titanium road bikes. Been following you since early Brompton days and love your content.
Really nice video. I look forward to seeing the video about turning your old road bike into a gravel bike. Have you already made this one or is it yet to come?
I understand you prefer drop bars, but are there flat bar bikes that are "gravel" bikes? Our would that just fall into the mountain bike category? I'm thinking of the Surly Bridge Club, maybe...
Hey Russ! Long time viewer/fan. Love your review vids as well as your route/travel/event ride vids! I would love it if you could get a 2019 Giant Revolt Advanced 2 to review. Particularly interested in what you think about their custom mech/hydro system and their d-fuse dampening seat post and front end. Also super interested in how you think a 650b wheelset would work with its geometry. I'm a shorter rider so looking to 650b x 40 instead of the 700 x 40 that comes with it.
Hi Russ, I see you have a pair of Quoc. Have you done a long term review on them yet.I just received mine and I am saving them until I get my new gravel bike build.
Haven't done a long term review, since I've actually been riding in a pre-production run. Those have been holding up awesome though.
Since you already have 128 comments on this video (I skimmed them all!), someone may have already suggested this, but how about a Thesis OB1? Randall (the founder) doesn't have a lot of bikes to let out to demo, but it's worth asking. He would also be a great PLP subject. Also, curious that you referred to where you are as the Pacific Northwest. Missoula? Hmmm.
Yeah. OB1 looks super cool. Used the term PNW because a lot of our mixed terrain riding has been in OR.
Masi would be a neat one to review.
I’m thinking of purchasing a Litespeed Watia. I’m in between sizes, would you recommend going smaller or bigger? Thank you in advance
I’d like to see the Basswood from Framed reviewed.