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Mr Max! I loved this tank too when it came out and I thought it was a way better Leo PTA in all respects, but after the nerf, it was just destroyed and If I remember correctly even Progetto 65 got hammered too. I don't understand why some 'fun' tanks has to be always nerf in to an oblivion. This tank ws basically iin many respects like Leo PTA, but more fun. Not an easy medium to play as you don't literally have no armor, but still a fun tank. Some decision made by Wargaming durin this my now over 11 years time, have been awful. One of the annoying things from the start for me hvae been these soft stats that you cannot even see in your garage and youneed third part websites to figure them out, which is just bollocks, but those stats often are those which can ruin a tank completely.
When your tank doen't behave at all the way you try to play... at least I will lose my temper. For this reason many of my tanks are just wallfowers now. I don't play with them anymore. Thankfully I ahve 300 tanks, so I am not so depended on every teek that is done, but it irritates me still.
My experience exactly. Some rounds, the gun behaves and its a wonderful tank to play, even post nerf.... And some times, the RNG is just completely WILD WEST!
Ive only ever played the standard b wayyyy before the nerf, so my opinion on it is that it's amazing and consistent I cant imagine how they massacred this tank, but based on my experience with the progetto 65 before and after the nerf it must be just really sad
Thanks Max, I thought it was just me being hopeless 😂 I tried everything to get this tank to work including using bond equipment. It needs some love badly.
The entire line is very infuriating to play. The downtime when you have no choice but to empty your entire magazine is horrific. How WG butchered a perfectly fine line is beyond me.
This is why I have a Pantera in my garage that's never been played. Why would I becuase I already have a Progetto 46 and no desire to grind any further up the line.
This was my favorite tank in the game. Had 67% WR solo and 99%+MoE in 600+ battles before the nerfs, without food, regular equipment. Now I struggle to stay above 55% with food. Sure it was slightly OP but they nerfed it to oblivion. I think they nerfed it because it was powerful and at the same time free to play (flexible, great pen) and free to play against (gets penned with HE).
I think it is a playable tank, but nothing helps the gun, the reload time is not a problem for me, I remember the last game I had with it before I sold it was Mastery game when I carried the game...5387 damage, 1439 EXP, 5 tanks destroyed, 9 damaged, but I almost broke my mouse and keyboard because 36 shots fired, 22 hits on targets of those shots 18 penetrations, finishing off the last two tanks JPZ E100 and T30 was when I started raging because fully aimed shots at around 150 meters distance started hitting ground or on side of their turrets or would miss completely. I was using double bushes so they could not spot me and was running out of HEAT rounds...I sold it immediately after the game..
I played the Standard B right when it came out and left moe at around 80% when it had high requirements. After some time after the nerf and everything I bought it had a game with 0 dmg and got 3 marks with 97%. That’s all you need to know about how the tank performs now
I always pick Comms expert over Side by Side, because if I do get comms expert (via spotting or tracking, often the latter), then I have the side by side bonus permanently, so if all the other mediums die I'll still get the equivalent of side by side bonus outside of its parameters.
played the whole italian line pre-nerf and they were all amazing, especially Standard B where i managed to have higher DPG than on most X tiers I play (above 3,3k)... lovely vehicle, didnt play it one game after the nerf, same for tier X progetto
When this tank came out, it was quite possibly my most favorite tier IX Medium... but the removal of the rammer and then the nerfs to accuracy, reload and such killed it. I was forced to sell it, along with the Progetto 65. Shame really, I like those tanks, I like their playstyle...
Its got bad hidden stats on the gun. It needs rotation and verts. Drop the vents. The projetto does this to me too. Good candidate for the experimtal stabilization+aim time. Its still gonna wiff some.
If you only use camo on one fully trained crew member, rather than all, plus a directive, you only lose 2%, so you can try out some of the other skills
I have a question. On medium tanks with bad gun handling and which cannot take a gun rammer, I consider vents, rotation device and stabs. I know the rotation device doesn't actually improve aiming circle size on rotation (I saw your video on that), but it allows you to turn to target faster, and therefore to start the aiming circle closure faster. What fo you think?
Thank you @@MaxGamingFPS. I know improved aiming circle device is a fixed bonus, but in dynamic situations the fastest rotation and reduced bloom (comparatively) could be better. It's difficult to decide.
I mark him to 100% , with some battle 9k damage or 12k spoted damage... Yes now a days , hes si badest than 2018/2019, but it was great to play with optics vents et stabs
It's the Sigma, or propensity of fired rounds to go to the edge of the aiming circle. If you have a big aiming circle, even if the round is going to towards the middle of the circle, it's going to miss the target completely.
It's a shame. One of my most pleasant and favorite tech trees butchered for no reason. Playing this thing and the progetto 65 feels like torture. Can't hit anything, constantly reloading, can't even Intuition properly, always penned. Awful experience.
I didn't like any of the Italian high tier tanks even before the nerfs. I don't do that badly in them but I always seem to be cursed with teams of morons every time I play one and the guns have always been unreliable for me(other than the 46) to be able to maybe make up for it.
for game 2, there isn't support coming with u otherthen char sniping at back with 40sec long reload. even there isn't an E77 yoloing u, u got no chance to do anything and lock youself up at the position. so not going up to position the begin of the game and choice a defense posiiton with char to create a crossfire and see what going on is the right choice~ just my personal experience with this game. watch where u team go first before commit to certain position.
Actually it is not bad at all. if you would have reloaded HEAT on the ho ri completely, you would have been able to put him down to a one shot for the 60 but insdtead your ruh shooting.
I don‘t get your point. If you are serious about needing to fully aim this gun, you should use a gun laying drive, maybe improved aiming, but not vertical stabilizers. And why on earth use hardening if the tank has these major issues with gun handling?
@@MaxGamingFPS, there is no use in using a vertical stabilizer if you fully aim through the entire aiming time anyway. Maybe you should recheck what the vertical stabilizer does - at least according to its description. If you have any inside knowledge beyond that, I would be more than happy to hear about it. Oh - and please do not put any words in my mouth I did not actually say, it‘s way below you. I guess you can read and know what the word „if“ means.
I like it. Maybe I don't play enough with it to dislike it? Buy Lion ! That's the moral of the story. They nerfed Progetto 65 and this line because of the Lion. Stupid WG...
The funny thing about the progetto now is that it has worse gun handling than the batchat in every single I still remember when people would say that one of the main advantage it had over the batchat was its gun handling at the cost of alppha and mag capacity
You need to calm down in this tank. Stop constantly moving and shooting like crazy. You are interrupting your reload, not aiming and that is ruining your games.
everything in this game besides leo 1 isn't worth playing.. 80% of the games are like that manerheim line batte so you need to have the best mobility & accuracy to get as much damage as you can before you inevitably die & autolose
Honestly i hate this autoreloader mechanic. Its just so inflexible. Should i shoot him once so i save my pitiful dpm a little or should i shoot him 2 times so i will reload for 20s. Honestly its the most unfun annoying mechanic. Id rather play a clip tank where i know i have x shots i can use and i will have the same amount y seconds later. Or even better, play the reverse autoloader wich is actually an upgrade to single shot guns unlike the normal autoreloader wich just punishes you for firing instead of giving you an edge. Or even better play the best one the double barrel. Its just so much better. It can single, double and even double tap and it barely gets punished for it. Sure you lose some dpm if you dont just single fire but it gives you the option to choose the perfect option for the situation. Honestly dont think the autoreloader is better than a normal autoloader. It should be an upgrade but its just dreadful to play. I dont have problens with the tanks on the prog 65 line. Its just their gimmick actively holds you back
I feel like you hate literally every tank, i cant remember a single video where you actually liked it, ill give ya that i dont watch you alot, but from the videos i saw you only hates the stuff
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Mr Max! I loved this tank too when it came out and I thought it was a way better Leo PTA in all respects, but after the nerf, it was just destroyed and If I remember correctly even Progetto 65 got hammered too. I don't understand why some 'fun' tanks has to be always nerf in to an oblivion. This tank ws basically iin many respects like Leo PTA, but more fun. Not an easy medium to play as you don't literally have no armor, but still a fun tank. Some decision made by Wargaming durin this my now over 11 years time, have been awful. One of the annoying things from the start for me hvae been these soft stats that you cannot even see in your garage and youneed third part websites to figure them out, which is just bollocks, but those stats often are those which can ruin a tank completely.
When your tank doen't behave at all the way you try to play... at least I will lose my temper. For this reason many of my tanks are just wallfowers now. I don't play with them anymore. Thankfully I ahve 300 tanks, so I am not so depended on every teek that is done, but it irritates me still.
WG massacred Italian tanks for NO reason. I am down to only Lion, and not playing it much at all too....
Lion was the reason progetto line got nerfed.
Ye wg bad move sad it did exaclty opposite effect ye just less italians on randoms @@ChelovekOdin
And nowadays we don't see lion that much to.
@@vladancovic6782 Because ppl got bored and forgot the tank, like many others. It being in limitted number doesn't help it too.
@@ChelovekOdin What? Prog was nerfed after people got Lion, nerf has nothing to do with Lion
My experience exactly. Some rounds, the gun behaves and its a wonderful tank to play, even post nerf.... And some times, the RNG is just completely WILD WEST!
Ive only ever played the standard b wayyyy before the nerf, so my opinion on it is that it's amazing and consistent
I cant imagine how they massacred this tank, but based on my experience with the progetto 65 before and after the nerf it must be just really sad
I swear I feel like I see you a lot on wot comments
That PZ VII was GAMING on empires border
Thanks Max, I thought it was just me being hopeless 😂 I tried everything to get this tank to work including using bond equipment. It needs some love badly.
Agree. Infuriating.
The entire line is very infuriating to play. The downtime when you have no choice but to empty your entire magazine is horrific. How WG butchered a perfectly fine line is beyond me.
This is why I have a Pantera in my garage that's never been played. Why would I becuase I already have a Progetto 46 and no desire to grind any further up the line.
This was my favorite tank in the game. Had 67% WR solo and 99%+MoE in 600+ battles before the nerfs, without food, regular equipment. Now I struggle to stay above 55% with food. Sure it was slightly OP but they nerfed it to oblivion. I think they nerfed it because it was powerful and at the same time free to play (flexible, great pen) and free to play against (gets penned with HE).
I think it is a playable tank, but nothing helps the gun, the reload time is not a problem for me, I remember the last game I had with it before I sold it was Mastery game when I carried the game...5387 damage, 1439 EXP, 5 tanks destroyed, 9 damaged, but I almost broke my mouse and keyboard because 36 shots fired, 22 hits on targets of those shots 18 penetrations, finishing off the last two tanks JPZ E100 and T30 was when I started raging because fully aimed shots at around 150 meters distance started hitting ground or on side of their turrets or would miss completely. I was using double bushes so they could not spot me and was running out of HEAT rounds...I sold it immediately after the game..
I played the Standard B right when it came out and left moe at around 80% when it had high requirements. After some time after the nerf and everything I bought it had a game with 0 dmg and got 3 marks with 97%. That’s all you need to know about how the tank performs now
I always pick Comms expert over Side by Side, because if I do get comms expert (via spotting or tracking, often the latter), then I have the side by side bonus permanently, so if all the other mediums die I'll still get the equivalent of side by side bonus outside of its parameters.
played the whole italian line pre-nerf and they were all amazing, especially Standard B where i managed to have higher DPG than on most X tiers I play (above 3,3k)...
lovely vehicle, didnt play it one game after the nerf, same for tier X progetto
The good old hidden sigma value
When this tank came out, it was quite possibly my most favorite tier IX Medium... but the removal of the rammer and then the nerfs to accuracy, reload and such killed it. I was forced to sell it, along with the Progetto 65.
Shame really, I like those tanks, I like their playstyle...
Hard to Imagine, but the Leopard PTA has vorse Gunhandling stats then the Standard B 🤯
I was shocked how bad this tank was then I revisited it a while back! Thansk WG!
The Standard Bean
The Standard Bricked
Its got bad hidden stats on the gun. It needs rotation and verts. Drop the vents.
The projetto does this to me too. Good candidate for the experimtal stabilization+aim time. Its still gonna wiff some.
If you only use camo on one fully trained crew member, rather than all, plus a directive, you only lose 2%, so you can try out some of the other skills
This tank got done dirty the most when WG nerfed whole line. From very nice tank, maybe slightly too good, straight to garbage.
I remember when you could install a gun rammer on this tank it was beautiful. I knew it was too good to last...
The only thing this tank has over the skoda is better pen. Nuts how badly it got nerfed.
love my P44 Pantera, but switching ammo in auto reloader is really awful
I very rarely play Italian tanks now. They need to be improved by WG
wg saw that comunity loved these italian tanks and nerfed it to sell lion, make so much sense to nerf tanks nobody think is overpowered
I have a question. On medium tanks with bad gun handling and which cannot take a gun rammer, I consider vents, rotation device and stabs. I know the rotation device doesn't actually improve aiming circle size on rotation (I saw your video on that), but it allows you to turn to target faster, and therefore to start the aiming circle closure faster. What fo you think?
You are not wrong about getting to the target quicker. However, It’s still better to use IAU over IRM since it will reduce the circle size.
Thank you @@MaxGamingFPS. I know improved aiming circle device is a fixed bonus, but in dynamic situations the fastest rotation and reduced bloom (comparatively) could be better. It's difficult to decide.
One of the very few tier 9's i sold after the nerf. Its disgustingly bad...
In the perfect scenario, mm and rng in your favour, it's a good tank. 1 out of 10 games
I mark him to 100% , with some battle 9k damage or 12k spoted damage... Yes now a days , hes si badest than 2018/2019, but it was great to play with optics vents et stabs
It used to be gold standard.
Now it's sub-standard.
Does anyone know when Steel Aces is released?
to this day i dont understand why tf wg decided to nerf the italian meds. it was so unnecessary
I actually like seeing streamers struggling with tanks like the rest of us 50%wr or less normies.
Idk why i have over 4k avg damage a game in this tank instead of some "better ones"
Please tell us, what parameter determines, whether it needs to be fully aimed. We all now, that RNG is random, so there must be a parameter.
It's the Sigma, or propensity of fired rounds to go to the edge of the aiming circle. If you have a big aiming circle, even if the round is going to towards the middle of the circle, it's going to miss the target completely.
This tank needs a buff, even a small one will help
the gun acuracy Sound like skoda t56
Thanks for the pick I've suggested this beast :)
The Cent 7/1 is another tier 9 medium with oof gun handling.Not sure why.
You could have save some shots here and there to improve your DPM a bit. Easy to say when you're spectating of course...
i dont know but the accuracy seems nice there.
It's a shame. One of my most pleasant and favorite tech trees butchered for no reason. Playing this thing and the progetto 65 feels like torture. Can't hit anything, constantly reloading, can't even Intuition properly, always penned. Awful experience.
Thank you! finally someone who doesn't simp for this tank, its terrible and I can't play it, especially when it was stock
so this is like the grille
I didn't like any of the Italian high tier tanks even before the nerfs. I don't do that badly in them but I always seem to be cursed with teams of morons every time I play one and the guns have always been unreliable for me(other than the 46) to be able to maybe make up for it.
for game 2, there isn't support coming with u otherthen char sniping at back with 40sec long reload. even there isn't an E77 yoloing u, u got no chance to do anything and lock youself up at the position. so not going up to position the begin of the game and choice a defense posiiton with char to create a crossfire and see what going on is the right choice~ just my personal experience with this game. watch where u team go first before commit to certain position.
also standard B, not the tank that belong to front line for most of the time, no armor to hold the line, and no firepower to kill the enemy fast.
Actually it is not bad at all. if you would have reloaded HEAT on the ho ri completely, you would have been able to put him down to a one shot for the 60
but insdtead your ruh shooting.
Also try the AMX 30 and 30B. That gun... :-/
I disagree. Nice tank to play even after the nerf. As a casual free to Play player i had avarage 3300 combined which I wouldnt complain about.
game is masacred since wargaming did transfer the accounts from cis to EU.
I don‘t get your point. If you are serious about needing to fully aim this gun, you should use a gun laying drive, maybe improved aiming, but not vertical stabilizers.
And why on earth use hardening if the tank has these major issues with gun handling?
If you really just said I should use GLD and not use Stab you are completely clueless and I can’t help you…
@@MaxGamingFPS, there is no use in using a vertical stabilizer if you fully aim through the entire aiming time anyway.
Maybe you should recheck what the vertical stabilizer does - at least according to its description. If you have any inside knowledge beyond that, I would be more than happy to hear about it.
Oh - and please do not put any words in my mouth I did not actually say, it‘s way below you. I guess you can read and know what the word „if“ means.
this tank dpm is cancer
they fkd it that's all there is to it!
I like it. Maybe I don't play enough with it to dislike it?
Buy Lion ! That's the moral of the story. They nerfed Progetto 65 and this line because of the Lion. Stupid WG...
The funny thing about the progetto now is that it has worse gun handling than the batchat in every single
I still remember when people would say that one of the main advantage it had over the batchat was its gun handling at the cost of alppha and mag capacity
You need to calm down in this tank. Stop constantly moving and shooting like crazy. You are interrupting your reload, not aiming and that is ruining your games.
This line is just a lost cause. There is no need to play this line.
My first tier 9 marked and I did it after the nerf.🤡☠️
lie more :)
I have 2194 overall wn8, why should I lie about marking a tank?😂
The Mannerheim Line game, you were the only one on that flank
At the start of the game, pushing the correct location SOLO is way worse than camping
everything in this game besides leo 1 isn't worth playing.. 80% of the games are like that manerheim line batte so you need to have the best mobility & accuracy to get as much damage as you can before you inevitably die & autolose
This thing is just t9 lion
Honestly i hate this autoreloader mechanic. Its just so inflexible. Should i shoot him once so i save my pitiful dpm a little or should i shoot him 2 times so i will reload for 20s. Honestly its the most unfun annoying mechanic. Id rather play a clip tank where i know i have x shots i can use and i will have the same amount y seconds later. Or even better, play the reverse autoloader wich is actually an upgrade to single shot guns unlike the normal autoreloader wich just punishes you for firing instead of giving you an edge. Or even better play the best one the double barrel. Its just so much better. It can single, double and even double tap and it barely gets punished for it. Sure you lose some dpm if you dont just single fire but it gives you the option to choose the perfect option for the situation. Honestly dont think the autoreloader is better than a normal autoloader. It should be an upgrade but its just dreadful to play. I dont have problens with the tanks on the prog 65 line. Its just their gimmick actively holds you back
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yes, aS TANK, TOO SITUATIONAL, AND ONLY FOR SHORT SITUATION...
hi try he on the tank ,
I feel like you hate literally every tank, i cant remember a single video where you actually liked it, ill give ya that i dont watch you alot, but from the videos i saw you only hates the stuff
I like good tanks; Leopard 1, E75, E50, T57 Heavy, 60TP, Object 260, Progetto 46, Skoda T56, Skorpion G. To name a few, there are more.
@@MaxGamingFPS alright! :)
Maybe get gud
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