Awesome video. That's got to be the most complicated guitar body build I've seen. Based on all the work involved a used Turner is a bargain. "Turn exotic wood into sawdust" reminded me of what a fighter pilot friend of mine said about the F-15 he was flying: "Turns prefectly good and expensive jet fuel into noise".
While working at the Guitar Trader (in San Diego), I played a Rick Turner "Lindsay" guitars! I was afraid to rotate the pickup too much, for fear that the wires would break!
One of the guitars that's on my guitar building ToDo list. Very unique guitars and well thought out from you guys on how to do it. I didn't realise they had a 25" radius both sides! Cheers guys.
Have not seen the copy carver for a while and was wondering if it was still around or had been tossed to the curb. Glad to see it and am still thinking about building one myself.
Very nice. I asked once before...why is the battery box on the face? Is it to be covered with a trapeze ? That would force battery changes to coincide with string changes...which I suppose wouldn't be optimal. I'd like to see every step of this build. It's a nice one to tackle.
I don't know because I've never touched one but always assumed there was a skeleton, steel rod and plate frame holding the strings that was the business end of the tailpiece and the contrasting often black sheet metal shroud somehow fit or snapped on to it. If that's not how they do it , it might be a good idea if you want to hide a rout under a tailpiece trapeze thing of that size.
After looking at a video with a few, looks like many of the ones without the Piezo have no shroud or rout, regular trapeze with rods coming from the strap button. up to the plate that holds the strings. Can see full wood between. Heart breaker guitars has some Turner guitar videos. There's a doc on his shop, an hour of him being interviewed if you search. Great stuff. Got me dreaming of making a hybrid guitar with a model one mashed up with another classic.
Maybe I'm wrong, it's only some of them now, and videos talking about the prototype that have the 2 rod open tailpiece. The black plate ones are on a lot of ones without the Piezo switch up top.
Nice video. The copy carver really caught my eye, this is the first I have seen it. I dug the bike break. Did you build it or where did it come from? Keep up the great work!
The "copy carver" is a stripped down, improvised, DIY mechanism similar to the tracer mechanisms which would allow mills, lathes, routers, or very specialized grinders (like those used to create crankshafts and camshaft for example), to utilize a two or three dimensional part or template, to define the limits, the geometry, of the workpiece based on the known geometry and dimensions of the template or the existing part. The profile of the part being turned in the lathe, or the surface(s) of the part being machined by the mill or the router, is created by the tracer mechanism, just as in the improvised copy xarver, is following the geometry of that template or part, and the difference between this and the CNC is that rather than a physical two or three dimensional template or part, the CNC profile or surface geometry that will be created is controlled by code containing numerical data, representing two or three dimensional positions on that template around that part containing the exact same coordinate data that the template or the existing part has it's just defined by the numbers representing the x and z or X y and z coordinates that exist on the template or the part, and this coordinate data controls and sets the dimensions of the finished part. Tracer machines are the direct precursor of NC and then CNC machines. Just like the similarities between a pin router and a vertical mill are pretty minimal. The table and the cutter are in the same relation to each other, with the pin router ear limits are set by a template and the PIN, on the CNC machine your limits are set by the two and three dimensional positions to find in the code, exact same information, just two different ways of presenting it. The pin router all of your feeding of the tool into the part, or part into the tool, however you want to think about it, how fast that tool is fed, how far it steps over to clear the material out, all of those things are done by hand, with the operator pushing the part around with his hands. With the vertical mill I can do the same exact thing, I can put a pin in the table and use the vertical Mill as a pin router. I have many times. But the vertical Mill allows me to securely, precisely, accurately locate and hold that work piece to that table, getting my hands away from that cutter. Now, all of the aspects of how that material is being cut by that cutter is controlled by me, either entering that information into the code, if I'm running the machine in automatic mode and running a CNC program, or I can control all of those aspects of that material being cut by the cutter by hand by using it manual mode and I control the movements, and how fast, how deep, how hard (woah, sorry, didn't mean to get your Mrs. turned on there LOL), how fast is that sharpened cutter spinning, and I'm moving the part, just like on a pin router, but instead of my hands and fingers holding that part and keeping it from being grabbed by the cutter, with my hands, I've got it clamped down securely, I've got dowel pins or stop blocks to locate my part exactly where I want it, I can repeat that location with those pins or those blocks extremely accurately and precisely, I can hold my workpiece, I can clamp it as securely as I want and I can use the hand cranks to control exactly how much material I'm removing how fast I'm removing it how deep every cut is. I can do the exact same thing that the pin router is doing I'm just doing it with a hand crank, with metal or wood clamps, a vice, or whatever fixturing or work holding I think works best, allows me to get in and get out quickly, getting the job done extremely accurately, precisely, much more safely securing the part and holding on to it as it's machined, instead of pushing my hands, my hands, anywhere near that cutter spinning at however many thousand RPM. The two machines are extremely similar, just as his copy Carver is extremely similar in many ways to tracer equipped machines, If you look at the history of the pin router and the NC machine, they were introduced to thousands of shop floors in America at about the same time. Manual Mills, like a bridgeport, are far more old school than a pin router. I've run both plenty of times I've run manual Mills I've CNC Mills I've run pin routers, many times. All of these tools can do a great job depending on who's using the tool, just like any tool in a shop, it's only as good as the person using it... or it's only as crappy as the person using it. The capabilities and limitations of every tool in the shop exactly match the capabilities and limitations of the person using that tool.
Matt I be lei every He used a molding cutter too rough out the body and he blended the rest by hand with a plane & scrapers. I remember watching a documentary about him with Lindsey Buckingham it was all about the guitar it was a long time ago before utube & the internet. But You guys did an Amazing job. Those are Really nice🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪💪💪💪🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
Matt, as usual another great production by Texas Toast. Did you use the sander you radius fretboards to radius the blank for the copy carver? Is a 25 inch radius to much fot the machine? The blank was a really clean bit of work. Thanks
The "copy carver" is a stripped down, improvised, DIY mechanism similar to the tracer mechanisms which would allow mills, lathes, routers, or very specialized grinders (like those used to create crankshafts and camshaft for example), to utilize a two or three dimensional part or template, to define the limits, the geometry, of the workpiece based on the known geometry and dimensions of the template or the existing part. The profile of the part being turned in the lathe, or the surface(s) of the part being machined by the mill or the router, is created by the tracer mechanism, just as in the improvised copy xarver, is following the geometry of that template or part, and the difference between this and the CNC is that rather than a physical two or three dimensional template or part, the CNC profile or surface geometry that will be created is controlled by code containing numerical data, representing two or three dimensional positions on that template around that part containing the exact same coordinate data that the template or the existing part has it's just defined by the numbers representing the x and z or X y and z coordinates that exist on the template or the part, and this coordinate data controls and sets the dimensions of the finished part. Tracer machines are the direct precursor of NC and then CNC machines. Just like the similarities between a pin router and a vertical mill are pretty minimal. The table and the cutter are in the same relation to each other, with the pin router ear limits are set by a template and the PIN, on the CNC machine your limits are set by the two and three dimensional positions to find in the code, exact same information, just two different ways of presenting it. The pin router all of your feeding of the tool into the part, or part into the tool, however you want to think about it, how fast that tool is fed, how far it steps over to clear the material out, all of those things are done by hand, with the operator pushing the part around with his hands. With the vertical mill I can do the same exact thing, I can put a pin in the table and use the vertical Mill as a pin router. I have many times. But the vertical Mill allows me to securely, precisely, accurately locate and hold that work piece to that table, getting my hands away from that cutter. Now, all of the aspects of how that material is being cut by that cutter is controlled by me, either entering that information into the code, if I'm running the machine in automatic mode and running a CNC program, or I can control all of those aspects of that material being cut by the cutter by hand by using it manual mode and I control the movements, and how fast, how deep, how hard (woah, sorry, didn't mean to get your Mrs. turned on there LOL), how fast is that sharpened cutter spinning, and I'm moving the part, just like on a pin router, but instead of my hands and fingers holding that part and keeping it from being grabbed by the cutter, with my hands, I've got it clamped down securely, I've got dowel pins or stop blocks to locate my part exactly where I want it, I can repeat that location with those pins or those blocks extremely accurately and precisely, I can hold my workpiece, I can clamp it as securely as I want and I can use the hand cranks to control exactly how much material I'm removing how fast I'm removing it how deep every cut is. I can do the exact same thing that the pin router is doing I'm just doing it with a hand crank, with metal or wood clamps, a vice, or whatever fixturing or work holding I think works best, allows me to get in and get out quickly, getting the job done extremely accurately, precisely, much more safely securing the part and holding on to it as it's machined, instead of pushing my hands, my hands, anywhere near that cutter spinning at however many thousand RPM. The two machines are extremely similar, just as his copy Carver is extremely similar in many ways to tracer equipped machines, If you look at the history of the pin router and the NC machine, they were introduced to thousands of shop floors in America at about the same time. Manual Mills, like a bridgeport, are far more old school than a pin router. I've run both plenty of times I've run manual Mills I've CNC Mills I've run pin routers, many times. All of these tools can do a great job depending on who's using the tool, just like any tool in a shop, it's only as good as the person using it... or it's only as crappy as the person using it. The capabilities and limitations of every tool in the shop exactly match the capabilities and limitations of the person using that tool.
No no no, don’t tip over my bucket, list!😉🙂 ...waiting on the 💉vaccine, ....build a Tele class ; of all walnut , similar to ...🤔George, Harrison all rose wood? Then come back and will build a Turner type LB ...with you sipping suds on the stool, ...please👏🏼, and don’t throw away the templates 🤞🏼...strong work, excellent!
I find that CNC machines take away from the art that is guitar making. It might be faster, but I feel you lose a lot of the personal touch that goes into guitar making. I'd take a copy carving machine over CNC any day.
The "copy carver" is a stripped down, improvised, DIY mechanism similar to the tracer mechanisms which would allow mills, lathes, routers, or very specialized grinders (like those used to create crankshafts and camshaft for example), to utilize a two or three dimensional part or template, to define the limits, the geometry, of the workpiece based on the known geometry and dimensions of the template or the existing part. The profile of the part being turned in the lathe, or the surface(s) of the part being machined by the mill or the router, is created by the tracer mechanism, just as in the improvised copy xarver, is following the geometry of that template or part, and the difference between this and the CNC is that rather than a physical two or three dimensional template or part, the CNC profile or surface geometry that will be created is controlled by code containing numerical data, representing two or three dimensional positions on that template around that part containing the exact same coordinate data that the template or the existing part has it's just defined by the numbers representing the x and z or X y and z coordinates that exist on the template or the part, and this coordinate data controls and sets the dimensions of the finished part. Tracer machines are the direct precursor of NC and then CNC machines. Just like the similarities between a pin router and a vertical mill are pretty minimal. The table and the cutter are in the same relation to each other, with the pin router ear limits are set by a template and the PIN, on the CNC machine your limits are set by the two and three dimensional positions to find in the code, exact same information, just two different ways of presenting it. The pin router all of your feeding of the tool into the part, or part into the tool, however you want to think about it, how fast that tool is fed, how far it steps over to clear the material out, all of those things are done by hand, with the operator pushing the part around with his hands. With the vertical mill I can do the same exact thing, I can put a pin in the table and use the vertical Mill as a pin router. I have many times. But the vertical Mill allows me to securely, precisely, accurately locate and hold that work piece to that table, getting my hands away from that cutter. Now, all of the aspects of how that material is being cut by that cutter is controlled by me, either entering that information into the code, if I'm running the machine in automatic mode and running a CNC program, or I can control all of those aspects of that material being cut by the cutter by hand by using it manual mode and I control the movements, and how fast, how deep, how hard (woah, sorry, didn't mean to get your Mrs. turned on there LOL), how fast is that sharpened cutter spinning, and I'm moving the part, just like on a pin router, but instead of my hands and fingers holding that part and keeping it from being grabbed by the cutter, with my hands, I've got it clamped down securely, I've got dowel pins or stop blocks to locate my part exactly where I want it, I can repeat that location with those pins or those blocks extremely accurately and precisely, I can hold my workpiece, I can clamp it as securely as I want and I can use the hand cranks to control exactly how much material I'm removing how fast I'm removing it how deep every cut is. I can do the exact same thing that the pin router is doing I'm just doing it with a hand crank, with metal or wood clamps, a vice, or whatever fixturing or work holding I think works best, allows me to get in and get out quickly, getting the job done extremely accurately, precisely, much more safely securing the part and holding on to it as it's machined, instead of pushing my hands, my hands, anywhere near that cutter spinning at however many thousand RPM. The two machines are extremely similar, just as his copy Carver is extremely similar in many ways to tracer equipped machines, If you look at the history of the pin router and the NC machine, they were introduced to thousands of shop floors in America at about the same time. Manual Mills, like a bridgeport, are far more old school than a pin router. I've run both plenty of times I've run manual Mills I've CNC Mills I've run pin routers, many times. All of these tools can do a great job depending on who's using the tool, just like any tool in a shop, it's only as good as the person using it... or it's only as crappy as the person using it. The capabilities and limitations of every tool in the shop exactly match the capabilities and limitations of the person using that tool.
I find that most people who make blanket statements about CNC machines and how much easier and faster and impersonal they make anything and everything are usually people who haven't any significant understanding or personal experience with CNC machines, or they've watched their neighbor who's got a little toaster on steroids with the router cutter in it and calls it a CNC machine and he can almost make a margarita with that little thing, but mostly the people saying that are people who either haven't done it in any significant amount, or who couldn't do it, or who are afraid to try, or who see something different point at it insult it because they fear it, or they think it's a lot of work and a lot of learning and they don't want to do it so they dismiss it, but I've never met anyone who has a real understanding and real world experience and knowledge of what a real CNC machine can do and what you have to do in order to make that tool as useful as that tool can be, say any of that crap about those CNC tools. But I'll say it again, limitations or capabilities of every tool in every shop exactly match the limitations and the capabilities of the person who is using that tool. Y'all have a great life stay safe. ✌🏼
Hot pin router and weenie roller action in the same video...can't handle all this excitement at once.
“Turn exotic wood into sawdust!” Love it!
It us a crime against humanity that you guys are only at 26K!
Great techniques to get the radius done. Love the "endless jigs of magic" you guys are constantly thinking up and employing! ~ cheers!
Awesome video. That's got to be the most complicated guitar body build I've seen. Based on all the work involved a used Turner is a bargain. "Turn exotic wood into sawdust" reminded me of what a fighter pilot friend of mine said about the F-15 he was flying: "Turns prefectly good and expensive jet fuel into noise".
While working at the Guitar Trader (in San Diego), I played a Rick Turner "Lindsay" guitars! I was afraid to rotate the pickup too much, for fear that the wires would break!
One of the guitars that's on my guitar building ToDo list. Very unique guitars and well thought out from you guys on how to do it. I didn't realise they had a 25" radius both sides! Cheers guys.
They are pretty neat, looking forward to seeing yours
Too cool how y'all figured it out!! Looking forward to seeing the finished product!! Great job!!
Love the shape Matt!! So cool
Quite the adventure to think thru going from nothing to something. Looks great!!
What did yall do for the pickup rotator.........thanks too.......
Have not seen the copy carver for a while and was wondering if it was still around or had been tossed to the curb. Glad to see it and am still thinking about building one myself.
You guys do great work.
Very nice. I asked once before...why is the battery box on the face? Is it to be covered with a trapeze ? That would force battery changes to coincide with string changes...which I suppose wouldn't be optimal. I'd like to see every step of this build. It's a nice one to tackle.
It does get covered up with a trapeze shaped deal it is not exactly traditional
I don't know because I've never touched one but always assumed there was a skeleton, steel rod and plate frame holding the strings that was the business end of the tailpiece and the contrasting often black sheet metal shroud somehow fit or snapped on to it. If that's not how they do it , it might be a good idea if you want to hide a rout under a tailpiece trapeze thing of that size.
After looking at a video with a few, looks like many of the ones without the Piezo have no shroud or rout, regular trapeze with rods coming from the strap button. up to the plate that holds the strings. Can see full wood between. Heart breaker guitars has some Turner guitar videos. There's a doc on his shop, an hour of him being interviewed if you search. Great stuff. Got me dreaming of making a hybrid guitar with a model one mashed up with another classic.
The doc I was mentioning wasn't on the Heartbreaker channel, it was like a regular interview documentary from about 15 or 20 years back.
Maybe I'm wrong, it's only some of them now, and videos talking about the prototype that have the 2 rod open tailpiece. The black plate ones are on a lot of ones without the Piezo switch up top.
4:17 That's the strangest CNC machine I've ever seen. ;-)
Nice video. The copy carver really caught my eye, this is the first I have seen it. I dug the bike break. Did you build it or where did it come from? Keep up the great work!
The "copy carver" is a stripped down, improvised, DIY mechanism similar to the tracer mechanisms which would allow mills, lathes, routers, or very specialized grinders (like those used to create crankshafts and camshaft for example), to utilize a two or three dimensional part or template, to define the limits, the geometry, of the workpiece based on the known geometry and dimensions of the template or the existing part. The profile of the part being turned in the lathe, or the surface(s) of the part being machined by the mill or the router, is created by the tracer mechanism, just as in the improvised copy xarver, is following the geometry of that template or part, and the difference between this and the CNC is that rather than a physical two or three dimensional template or part, the CNC profile or surface geometry that will be created is controlled by code containing numerical data, representing two or three dimensional positions on that template around that part containing the exact same coordinate data that the template or the existing part has it's just defined by the numbers representing the x and z or X y and z coordinates that exist on the template or the part, and this coordinate data controls and sets the dimensions of the finished part. Tracer machines are the direct precursor of NC and then CNC machines. Just like the similarities between a pin router and a vertical mill are pretty minimal. The table and the cutter are in the same relation to each other, with the pin router ear limits are set by a template and the PIN, on the CNC machine your limits are set by the two and three dimensional positions to find in the code, exact same information, just two different ways of presenting it. The pin router all of your feeding of the tool into the part, or part into the tool, however you want to think about it, how fast that tool is fed, how far it steps over to clear the material out, all of those things are done by hand, with the operator pushing the part around with his hands. With the vertical mill I can do the same exact thing, I can put a pin in the table and use the vertical Mill as a pin router. I have many times. But the vertical Mill allows me to securely, precisely, accurately locate and hold that work piece to that table, getting my hands away from that cutter. Now, all of the aspects of how that material is being cut by that cutter is controlled by me, either entering that information into the code, if I'm running the machine in automatic mode and running a CNC program, or I can control all of those aspects of that material being cut by the cutter by hand by using it manual mode and I control the movements, and how fast, how deep, how hard (woah, sorry, didn't mean to get your Mrs. turned on there LOL), how fast is that sharpened cutter spinning, and I'm moving the part, just like on a pin router, but instead of my hands and fingers holding that part and keeping it from being grabbed by the cutter, with my hands, I've got it clamped down securely, I've got dowel pins or stop blocks to locate my part exactly where I want it, I can repeat that location with those pins or those blocks extremely accurately and precisely, I can hold my workpiece, I can clamp it as securely as I want and I can use the hand cranks to control exactly how much material I'm removing how fast I'm removing it how deep every cut is. I can do the exact same thing that the pin router is doing I'm just doing it with a hand crank, with metal or wood clamps, a vice, or whatever fixturing or work holding I think works best, allows me to get in and get out quickly, getting the job done extremely accurately, precisely, much more safely securing the part and holding on to it as it's machined, instead of pushing my hands, my hands, anywhere near that cutter spinning at however many thousand RPM.
The two machines are extremely similar, just as his copy Carver is extremely similar in many ways to tracer equipped machines, If you look at the history of the pin router and the NC machine, they were introduced to thousands of shop floors in America at about the same time. Manual Mills, like a bridgeport, are far more old school than a pin router. I've run both plenty of times I've run manual Mills I've CNC Mills I've run pin routers, many times. All of these tools can do a great job depending on who's using the tool, just like any tool in a shop, it's only as good as the person using it... or it's only as crappy as the person using it. The capabilities and limitations of every tool in the shop exactly match the capabilities and limitations of the person using that tool.
Matt I be lei every He used a molding cutter too rough out the body and he blended the rest by hand with a plane & scrapers. I remember watching a documentary about him with Lindsey Buckingham it was all about the guitar it was a long time ago before utube & the internet. But You guys did an Amazing job. Those are Really nice🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪💪💪💪🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
Very cool. It looks like it's pretty heavy, how much does the body weigh?
I love the shirt Mat
Jim Fuller is a good friend have you checked out his new company www.fullerphx.com
Hey Matt. Did you guys think of using the fret board radius sander?
Did you ever finish this guitar?
How thick is the guitar before the 25 degree bevel?
Nice i hope you can finish them though without headaches
Too late HAHAHA
Matt, as usual another great production by Texas Toast. Did you use the sander you radius fretboards to radius the blank for the copy carver? Is a 25 inch radius to much fot the machine? The blank was a really clean bit of work. Thanks
The copy carver rides again! Have you guys done necks with it before?
How did you build the 25 degree radius blank you are using to drive the copy carver?
This copy carver is totally rad
It is a really neat tool
Great video ... I’ve never heard of Rick Turner Guitars ... headed to check them out now ...
This body design seems like it would be neck diving, is it?
You should invite Rick Turner to your shop just for fun and talk with him about it and stuff
Is that body much heavier than a typical thickness body?
A Matt vs Chris scratch build off maybe cigar box 🤔
If it was a build off would we have to do a cigar box?
@@TexasToastGuitars possibly, and a pickaxe handle! wind your own pick ups, make your own bridge, etc. 😉
What would Ben Crow do? How many weeks you got, 😂😂😂😉 (sorry Ben but too amusing to miss)
Ben did a bunch of videos where he built guitars in a day or less. He could do it :)
@@TexasToastGuitars yep watched them all, glad he's doing what he does best, I hope he does an acoustic 👍
Yeah, that would have been tough without the beloved pin router! CNC is for little girls, by the way...
And you can't even program one, set one up, or run one, so you don't even measure up to a little girl.
... by the way.
The "copy carver" is a stripped down, improvised, DIY mechanism similar to the tracer mechanisms which would allow mills, lathes, routers, or very specialized grinders (like those used to create crankshafts and camshaft for example), to utilize a two or three dimensional part or template, to define the limits, the geometry, of the workpiece based on the known geometry and dimensions of the template or the existing part. The profile of the part being turned in the lathe, or the surface(s) of the part being machined by the mill or the router, is created by the tracer mechanism, just as in the improvised copy xarver, is following the geometry of that template or part, and the difference between this and the CNC is that rather than a physical two or three dimensional template or part, the CNC profile or surface geometry that will be created is controlled by code containing numerical data, representing two or three dimensional positions on that template around that part containing the exact same coordinate data that the template or the existing part has it's just defined by the numbers representing the x and z or X y and z coordinates that exist on the template or the part, and this coordinate data controls and sets the dimensions of the finished part. Tracer machines are the direct precursor of NC and then CNC machines. Just like the similarities between a pin router and a vertical mill are pretty minimal. The table and the cutter are in the same relation to each other, with the pin router ear limits are set by a template and the PIN, on the CNC machine your limits are set by the two and three dimensional positions to find in the code, exact same information, just two different ways of presenting it. The pin router all of your feeding of the tool into the part, or part into the tool, however you want to think about it, how fast that tool is fed, how far it steps over to clear the material out, all of those things are done by hand, with the operator pushing the part around with his hands. With the vertical mill I can do the same exact thing, I can put a pin in the table and use the vertical Mill as a pin router. I have many times. But the vertical Mill allows me to securely, precisely, accurately locate and hold that work piece to that table, getting my hands away from that cutter. Now, all of the aspects of how that material is being cut by that cutter is controlled by me, either entering that information into the code, if I'm running the machine in automatic mode and running a CNC program, or I can control all of those aspects of that material being cut by the cutter by hand by using it manual mode and I control the movements, and how fast, how deep, how hard (woah, sorry, didn't mean to get your Mrs. turned on there LOL), how fast is that sharpened cutter spinning, and I'm moving the part, just like on a pin router, but instead of my hands and fingers holding that part and keeping it from being grabbed by the cutter, with my hands, I've got it clamped down securely, I've got dowel pins or stop blocks to locate my part exactly where I want it, I can repeat that location with those pins or those blocks extremely accurately and precisely, I can hold my workpiece, I can clamp it as securely as I want and I can use the hand cranks to control exactly how much material I'm removing how fast I'm removing it how deep every cut is. I can do the exact same thing that the pin router is doing I'm just doing it with a hand crank, with metal or wood clamps, a vice, or whatever fixturing or work holding I think works best, allows me to get in and get out quickly, getting the job done extremely accurately, precisely, much more safely securing the part and holding on to it as it's machined, instead of pushing my hands, my hands, anywhere near that cutter spinning at however many thousand RPM.
The two machines are extremely similar, just as his copy Carver is extremely similar in many ways to tracer equipped machines, If you look at the history of the pin router and the NC machine, they were introduced to thousands of shop floors in America at about the same time. Manual Mills, like a bridgeport, are far more old school than a pin router. I've run both plenty of times I've run manual Mills I've CNC Mills I've run pin routers, many times. All of these tools can do a great job depending on who's using the tool, just like any tool in a shop, it's only as good as the person using it... or it's only as crappy as the person using it. The capabilities and limitations of every tool in the shop exactly match the capabilities and limitations of the person using that tool.
Given the choices of hands on, or CNC I choose hands on when it comes to guitar builds! I did not mean to ruffle any feathers ... ... ...
No no no, don’t tip over my bucket, list!😉🙂 ...waiting on the 💉vaccine, ....build a Tele class ; of all walnut , similar to ...🤔George, Harrison all rose wood? Then come back and will build a Turner type LB ...with you sipping suds on the stool, ...please👏🏼, and don’t throw away the templates 🤞🏼...strong work, excellent!
I find that CNC machines take away from the art that is guitar making. It might be faster, but I feel you lose a lot of the personal touch that goes into guitar making. I'd take a copy carving machine over CNC any day.
I really dig the copy caver too
The "copy carver" is a stripped down, improvised, DIY mechanism similar to the tracer mechanisms which would allow mills, lathes, routers, or very specialized grinders (like those used to create crankshafts and camshaft for example), to utilize a two or three dimensional part or template, to define the limits, the geometry, of the workpiece based on the known geometry and dimensions of the template or the existing part. The profile of the part being turned in the lathe, or the surface(s) of the part being machined by the mill or the router, is created by the tracer mechanism, just as in the improvised copy xarver, is following the geometry of that template or part, and the difference between this and the CNC is that rather than a physical two or three dimensional template or part, the CNC profile or surface geometry that will be created is controlled by code containing numerical data, representing two or three dimensional positions on that template around that part containing the exact same coordinate data that the template or the existing part has it's just defined by the numbers representing the x and z or X y and z coordinates that exist on the template or the part, and this coordinate data controls and sets the dimensions of the finished part. Tracer machines are the direct precursor of NC and then CNC machines. Just like the similarities between a pin router and a vertical mill are pretty minimal. The table and the cutter are in the same relation to each other, with the pin router ear limits are set by a template and the PIN, on the CNC machine your limits are set by the two and three dimensional positions to find in the code, exact same information, just two different ways of presenting it. The pin router all of your feeding of the tool into the part, or part into the tool, however you want to think about it, how fast that tool is fed, how far it steps over to clear the material out, all of those things are done by hand, with the operator pushing the part around with his hands. With the vertical mill I can do the same exact thing, I can put a pin in the table and use the vertical Mill as a pin router. I have many times. But the vertical Mill allows me to securely, precisely, accurately locate and hold that work piece to that table, getting my hands away from that cutter. Now, all of the aspects of how that material is being cut by that cutter is controlled by me, either entering that information into the code, if I'm running the machine in automatic mode and running a CNC program, or I can control all of those aspects of that material being cut by the cutter by hand by using it manual mode and I control the movements, and how fast, how deep, how hard (woah, sorry, didn't mean to get your Mrs. turned on there LOL), how fast is that sharpened cutter spinning, and I'm moving the part, just like on a pin router, but instead of my hands and fingers holding that part and keeping it from being grabbed by the cutter, with my hands, I've got it clamped down securely, I've got dowel pins or stop blocks to locate my part exactly where I want it, I can repeat that location with those pins or those blocks extremely accurately and precisely, I can hold my workpiece, I can clamp it as securely as I want and I can use the hand cranks to control exactly how much material I'm removing how fast I'm removing it how deep every cut is. I can do the exact same thing that the pin router is doing I'm just doing it with a hand crank, with metal or wood clamps, a vice, or whatever fixturing or work holding I think works best, allows me to get in and get out quickly, getting the job done extremely accurately, precisely, much more safely securing the part and holding on to it as it's machined, instead of pushing my hands, my hands, anywhere near that cutter spinning at however many thousand RPM.
The two machines are extremely similar, just as his copy Carver is extremely similar in many ways to tracer equipped machines, If you look at the history of the pin router and the NC machine, they were introduced to thousands of shop floors in America at about the same time. Manual Mills, like a bridgeport, are far more old school than a pin router. I've run both plenty of times I've run manual Mills I've CNC Mills I've run pin routers, many times. All of these tools can do a great job depending on who's using the tool, just like any tool in a shop, it's only as good as the person using it... or it's only as crappy as the person using it. The capabilities and limitations of every tool in the shop exactly match the capabilities and limitations of the person using that tool.
Have you made a lot of guitars with CNC machines?
I find that most people who make blanket statements about CNC machines and how much easier and faster and impersonal they make anything and everything are usually people who haven't any significant understanding or personal experience with CNC machines, or they've watched their neighbor who's got a little toaster on steroids with the router cutter in it and calls it a CNC machine and he can almost make a margarita with that little thing, but mostly the people saying that are people who either haven't done it in any significant amount, or who couldn't do it, or who are afraid to try, or who see something different point at it insult it because they fear it, or they think it's a lot of work and a lot of learning and they don't want to do it so they dismiss it, but I've never met anyone who has a real understanding and real world experience and knowledge of what a real CNC machine can do and what you have to do in order to make that tool as useful as that tool can be, say any of that crap about those CNC tools. But I'll say it again, limitations or capabilities of every tool in every shop exactly match the limitations and the capabilities of the person who is using that tool. Y'all have a great life stay safe. ✌🏼
@@TexasToastGuitars Fuck yeah, check out a tracer equipped lathe, I think you'd dig that tool
To answer Andy's question: No, I do not know how to scone.
I think the shirt reads Score?
@@TexasToastGuitars I don't know how to do that, either. 😭 (😆)