MV Dali Hitting Key Bridge in Baltimore - Track and Video Analysis
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2024
- Dali Lost Power Outbound from Baltimore
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March 26, 2024
In this episode - maritime historian at Campbell University (@campbelledu) and former merchant mariner - discusses the allision between MV Dali and the Baltimore Key Bridge.
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None of the local Baltimore TV channels are showing the footage of the ship going dark at 01:24:33. They just keep showing the Dali striking the bridge and the collapse. They are not showing the full story that is available to anyone that can see Stream Time LIVE or Sal's reporting at 0800 EST. I live in the Baltimore TV market and the stations that are still covering this live have not once shown the portion of the video that clearly shows the Dali losing power and going dark. They just keep showing the video after it has regained power. It was too late at that point. Great job Sal on providing more of the full story in a timely manner.
Yes, they do know, but they don't want that part of the narrative out
Fear mongering
As long as they aren't harmfully speculating it's probably better for mainstream news to step back and let others do that stuff rather than jumping in and risking spreading misinformation
If they are not showing all of the video and not giving all of the information that is clearly available they are spreading misinformation. 😮@gigitrix
@@davidwheeler7503 The “narrative” called “reporting on an active investigation that isn’t commenting to the press yet” and “journalists are not specialists in the subject matter.”
Give it 12 hours.
Hi Sam, Great channel. I'm a marine engineer; here's my guess at what has happened.
When a ship leaves port there is a requirement to start stand-by generators for the duration of the voyage out.
But sometimes there are other issues, a switch board failure, or auto-control issue and you can lose the lot. it has happened to me a few times over the years.
Everything goes off-line and the main engines shut down automatically because they have no feed pumps for fuel, lube oil and air.
The emergency generator will usually start - a small diesel housed on the upper deck usually behind the bridge. It gives enough power for the nav gear and some ventilation, and enough power to enable the engineers to get the rest of the gear back on-line.
That is probably driving the lights we see come back on but not as many as before. The engineers then go round the engine room and control room and manually switch all the gear back on. That can take some time.
But because of the emergency the engineers in this case would have to make a terrible decision to start the main engines immediately to go emergency full astern possibly without supporting pumps and almost certainly with some engine damage.
Black smoke is always a sign of incomplete combustion. the massive pumps that supply air to the engine room would be off-line and so the engines would be gasping for air. The fuel would burn but without enough air hence the black smoke.
in full-astern mode the rudder would be useless.
I really hope the anchor team got off the foredeck before the bridge came down on top of them.
Cheers
Pretty ridiculous the Tugs are not with ship until free in ocean waters. That might have cost more in fuel but Safety should take priority ! Imagine $ saved now!
@@acesupsilver1039 The distance from Baltimore to the open ocean is over 200 miles
I believe the ship company issued a statement that their crew was clear and unharmed.
The construction team filling potholes on the bridge, on the other hand... At least 8 fell in, only 2 saved last I heard.
good point, they will at least be escorting past the bridge going forward, I would guess... @@dah61789dah
Thank you.
I live in the suburbs of Baltimore. I want to thank you for such a clear, calm and concise video on this tragedy. It was confirmed a half hour ago that the 6 missing construction workers are presumed dead. No word on how many vehicles were still on the bridge when the impact happened. All of Maryland is in shock right now.
The Maryland Transit Authority said there were no passenger vehicles on the bridge. The ship did call in an emergency radio call 90 seconds before the impact and the police were able to shut down the bridge in time.
I believe that's true if you watch the video you can see two vehicles traveling right to left on the bridge and don't seem to make it to the last support beams. Sadly. Tragically.
Prayers to everyone affected and to the whole state🙏
If you watch the video, you can clearly see all the cars drive over the bridge.
Why do people not pay attention then ask stupid questions.
I’m sorry for all of the Marylanders this has got to be tough for all 377 of you.
It’s refreshing to see there is still quality content on UA-cam that doesn’t dramatise, states the facts and is respectful to what is a tragedy with real impact to real people. My thoughts go out to all these people. Thank you for your video.
The only source of news about what is going on with shipping. Thanks Sal.
I'm mentioning this channel in others' reports of this accident
I agree. An awesome source of info brought to us by an entertaining and informative man. I give him and this channel many thanks.
I don't do X anymore but linked this vid and Sal's channel on Blue Sky. Nobody better for all things shipping than Sal
For the next drinking game instead of "Bab el-Mandeb" and a sip of beer, for "Baltimore" or "Francis Scott Key Bridge" it will be a shot of 100 proof or greater whiskey. What an incredible tragedy - truly a gate of tears.
Excellent summary, with available information. I had heard there were two pilots aboard. Would this be normal, or perhaps training a newer pilot? Not that either would have an effect on ship's power. Seemed almost as if there was a short or overload that tripped a main breaker. That could explain a delay before power is reconnected.
Also, is there history of other ships losing power on either side of the Key Bridge? If so, would make an interesting map and possibly some statistical analysis. If this is a semi-regular occurrence, it's bad luck (chance) that it hit the pier. If it's a one-time event, the chances of hitting the pier practically dead-center, and (I think) avoiding a pylon just before the pier is, well, exceptional. Sometimes things just do add up perfectly to cause a disaster. Swiss cheese slices lining up and all. But what a terrible circumstance. I expect the replacement bridge will have stout islands (dolphins?) protecting the piers. Just terrible for everyone affected.
Chief, dont EVER apologize for quality of your video. You literally are doing a better job than MSM.
Or anybody else for that matter.
A monkey with an extra chromosome does better than the MSM 😂
Dedicated subject experts like Sal are the future of news reporting. Distributed expertise, at the ready for specific news scenarios. It's just innately more informed than a handful of reporters that have to cover everything, most of which they can't possibly have expertise in.
So appreciate this kind of knowledge.....NEVER apologize. JUst thanks from us all.
Too true. None of the news stations have provided anything. There was one with a bridge expert but the news lady kept asking him questions about ships he couldn't fully answer
So mush better than any news channel. They just start naming names and don’t show the ship going dark or anything! Thank you for your wonderful video! And your very good explanation!
Twenty five years in the Navy and agree 100% - silence is a terrible thing aboard ship. Great analysis, thank you.
Silence and darkness
@@tednsuzy How about darkness, silence, emergency lighting, then the pounding of feet followed by a door crashing open, the engine room crew bursting out followed by billowing black smoke.
1) BTM is the must , on any ship !!!! BTM is not teached in academies , the way the SHOULD BE TEACHED..........2) interaction of PILOTS / CREW are neither.... very bad situation, fellow Navy Man(!)
20 in CG. Not engineer but enough time on cutters to know silence and darkness is a bad day. Luckily, I’ve only seen it in drills. With enough hands to be in aft steering to manually move rudder but with no time for these guys on board and limited staff. Also, not knowing if these ships have access for hands to actually steer manually. I’m glad I found this channel, more people need to follow.
Great coverage & commentary on this tragic event, thank you
Dr Berry, I watch your channel. Fun to see you follow Sal too!
Dr Berry, I watch your channel. Fun to see you follow Sal too!
I'm old enough to remember when the mainstream news reported like this. Thank you so much.
Chat bot
I’m old and you’re full of s**t. Never seen the mainstream news dedicate 7:55 to something like this.
When was that?
Yep a good 20 odd years ago journalism is a crap shoot these days with political bias and no real investigation work reporting on facts and what is known
You're really laying it out there, and dating yourself, you "Old Fogey", you.
Damn....a functioning, and factual media, you say?
It's difficult recalling such a time.
That era actually ended, about 3 minutes after it was created. I'm pretty sure that only Disco died a quicker death. 😂🤣🤣🤣
Man I drove across the key bridge yesterday afternoon. Twelve hours later and it's gone. What a horrible mess.
Reminds me of when I visited the Internet Archive in San Francisco and then the next day it burned down.
@@baltakatei Suspicious. Very suspicious.
❤
@@friedrichrubinstein2346
Agreed.
I drive across that bridge every day....
You showed and greatly detailed more in the 7 minutes than the news and officials have all day. Thanks
A few things to add. 1) During a blackout the GMDSS radio equipment will work on battery power. ECDIS (Electronic chart display) and VDR (voyage data recorder) work with their own UPS. The engineroom alarm system has its own batteries, normally together with the GMDSS batteries. 2) The second steering gear is connected to the emergency switchboard, but normally it takes a minute for the emergency switchboard too disconnect from the main switchboard and the emergency generator to start. In this minute the normal generators (if switched on stand-by) have a change to start and power everything. 3) The rudder must have water pressure from propeller to have effect. Without the engine the rudder is mostly useless. 4) When giving astern the vessel will start to turn to port or starboard due to the propeller effect. You can't stop this with the rudder, only with a bowthruster. Dragging one anchor will give the vessel also drag on one side and make it turn.
To me it looked like starboard side anchor dragging turned the ship at the last minute, into the bridge piling.
This ship has a 5,500 HP bow thruster. Was that powerless as well?
Also Delaware river, the Betsy Ross Bridge, has Massive concrete dolphins protecting against ships that could striking the support piers. Is this a grand scale peony wise dollar foolish mishap?
@@peterepoet2535We don't know if they had power to run the bowthrusters after the blackout. They also had very little time to reset and restart systems.
However its radio and AIS transponder appear to be online throughout. Radio was used for mayday, AIS wasn’t useful except for understanding course and speed.
thanks for the information
Never seen your channel before today but, I've been watching news and I've seen a couple of your videos now and the information you have is WAY better than the news outlets.
Same here
Ditto!
Fantastic video. So much better more informative than the dozens of clueless reporters talking about this. Thank you.
ok but this what he does. do you want him telling you about an erupting volcano?
This channel is amazing. I've been subscribed for a year now and this owner is very experianced in shipping. Thank you sir for the smart and insightful reporting.
Thanks for the update. Better than anything in the regular news media.
They all have the same video.
They all choose to leave out the first part.
The important part.
Yeah I'm surprised none of the major news sources, not even AP newswire know how to use marinetraffic.
Much better content than the news media
@@Anolaana they know how to do that...i guess they have their reasons...this is all looking reaally sus....
I hope he addresses the previous collision/allision this same ship had in Antwerp port in July 2016. That was put down to captain and pilot error. And also an incident in 2020….
This is excellent reportage. A credit to you. And, an illustration of how the "siloed" nature of the Internet allows for levels of objectivity and depth of coverage that are no longer even attempted on television and radio. Extremely well done.
I am a heavy tow pilot on the Mississippi between St. Louis and New Orleans and unfortunately this situation is not as uncommon as one would hope. Less than 24 hours after the Baltimore incident the Mississippi was closed to traffic from MM 160-162 for several hours due to the M/V Thunderbird losing power/control in a very congested, commercial area. Luckily there were/are many tugs and fleet boats in this area and the ship was quickly assisted and able to anchor in the middle of the channel without damage to the vessel or any surrounding infrastructure.
Ships collapsing a bridge is absolutely uncommon. I'm suspect of anyone trying to whitewash this
why didn't the tugs run the Dali all the way past the key bridge? seems like that should have been standard operating procedure since there were no fenders protecting the bridge.
@@blueconversechucksIt would make sense, but the next ship in line had to be taken off the pier, time is money. I know being on CG cutters we didn’t have tugs for long after leaving pier- if required at all. But all crew stays at mooring stations until sufficiently out of port in case of anything. We have drills for loss of steering (thankfully just drills, never real thing), but we have enough hands to be in aft steering to manually work rudder in case. I don’t know how it works on the commercial ships. Certainly very few hands on board and have to move the product.
I was in the navy as a Surface Warfare Officer and brought US Navy Warships into port as officer of the deck many times. Losing propulsion/steering in a channel is a WORST CASE scenario and there are often times literally only seconds to recover. The US Navy in fact puts extra redundant engineering equipment online with a 'run it until it breaks' mindset during restricted maneuvering in channels like this to avoid a collision or grounding - it is THAT important. A big ship like this loses control of propulsion/steering and doesn't have tugs to immediately assist they have NO chance to control their movement for some distance/time. Very tragic but thank God it didn't happen during rush hour.
Agree!! Seconds for the back-ups to kick in.. If this happened past the bridge, there would have been more options...
missed rush hour by what...4 hours? Hundreds would have been caught on that bridge...
Why do you think it changed direction so sharply?
Indeed...timing is everything. Some of our guys just got off their shift, heading home across the Key, right before it happened. Still, 6 workers filling potholes on the bridge, yet to be recovered. So very sad.
It literally levels out on a direct path towards the bridge.
So I'm Longshoreman at the port of Baltimore and was working Dundalk a couple of hours before this happened, I was told by my union brothers that the ship lost power a couple times why we were discharging and loading the ship. They knew the ship had a power problem before it left port and still decided to set sail.
If that's the case I can see the Lawyers lining up already...
Somebody's in T R O U B L E, yikes.....
Then why didn't the tug boats accompany the ship until it had cleared the bridge? What is the protocol in this case?
Uh oh....and I bet the capt will point to corporate pressure to defer maintenance and deliver product.
Terrible situation.
Ahhh explains much!
Thank you for this video. My dad was a retired merchant mariner (also served in the north Atlantic during WWII), then became a harbor pilot before he finally really retired. I've always loved following shipping. The media asking why it couldn't stop in time or drop anchors to stop it just displayed their lack of knowledge about large ships.
They don't understand how hard it is to stop all that mass
Media would not get it. They think a ship has Breaks too
First visit to this channel. Intelligent, informative, and concise. UA-camrs like this are the salt of the earth.
Hi Sal! I’m A ship’s Captain (not this one’s obviously - for those who didn’t understand what I meant before editing) and I’ve been to Baltimore (at very same Terminal) many times… What I find strange here is that this vessel has released both tugs shortly after entering the main channel. When I was there last time in 2022 It was mandatory to keep the aft tug’s line attached for as long as vessel passes under the bridge and only then, it would be let go. I’m not sure when and why this regulation has changed, but obviously, it was a mistake. Having a tug acting as a rudder/brake might have been useful at least to minimize the impact if not preventing the accident altogether.
Maybe it was intentionally changed so things could go wrong? After all, look at the world we now live in.
"I am the captain now"
Cannot believe we get a reply on youtube before the hounding desperate major networks find you 😅
Yes that make much sense on the safety side of things for the tugs to be in control until the Ship clear the bridge
Like you Captain, I have been to Baltimore many times over the course of some 20 years. I am not certain about that regulation, however, before the docking pilots merged with the Maryland Pilot Association, the docking pilot would take the vessel south of the bridge and disembark to a tugboat. As part of the merger with Maryland Pilots, the association started cross training their pilots to do both Bay transits and docking/undocking work. As such, my experience was the release of the tugs was a judgement call for the pilot once they were lined up with the bridge.
I think he is *a* ship captain, not captain of this ship.
This is the best, most accurate, and knowledgable coverage of this anywhere. Every other news outlook is just guessing and asking stupid questions.
@@woke_jesus While you wakeup, this has been a problem for hundreds of years.😁
this guy is specialized at this so you really expect the local news to report like this?
@@stereolababy No, but I at least expect them to show the whole story & not intentionally leave out the proof that there was a power failure onboard. There is too much bias and/or censored reporting now and not just in the USA either. Canada is even worse.
@@woke_jesus Don Lemon is now calling himself woke_jesus. Saying you are for free speech and demanding laws against it all in one breath.
You mean if I contact someone that knows this area and shipping you get a more detailed description ? Duh.
Sal:
As a lifelong Baltimorean and traveler over the Key bridge countless times, I wanted to thank you for yesterday's excellent coverage and analysis of this tragic event on your channel. Also the live stream last evening with John Konrad provided further expert insight not found on any other media. Really appreciate what you do.
Thank you for your analysis. National media hasn’t shown this in-depth analysis like you.
lol why would they ? He is probably the best in the world at what he does. No journalist even understands what he’s talking about. He’s a subject expert.
@@bluefoodog4189hmmm maybe the journalists should reach out to subject experts to relay that information to the public
As a retired submarine officer and licensed professional mechanical engineer, I want to thank you for posting this. Excellent coverage. Bravo Zulu
thank you for your service!
BZ indeed.
Rah
Man, sub life aint easy!
former snipe here, surface, looks like a standard power drop, been though a few
Channels like this blow main stream media away. Thanks for being there when the whole world needs you.
The mainstream media is up to its usual asinine questions. Repeating details over and over as if it’s new information. And keeping the drama on.
Everything blows mainstream media away. Watching that garbage just dumbs people down.
I especially don't like how right wing media is trying to blame this all on Biden (not trying to start a political debate here, but they are!)
@@salemcripple , frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't been blamed on Trump, yet.
For real
I live in Baltimore.
As a historian.... up until a few days ago, Dali was an Italian artist known for "The Broken Bridge and The Dream." Locally, "The Dream" packed up and left on "The Exodus" and now we have a broken bridge.
Coincidence? Accident? 🤔
Canton neighborhood here, and Art major at Towson, however didn’t know that work until now. That painting….. eerie.
As a Chief Engineer for 20 years with Maersk Lines, onboard a container ship and watching the video I believe only certain events could have taken place.
A ship that size has 4 generators, 3 of them should be running & online to support all the engine room machinery, deck machinery, house load, including both a very large (KW), bow thruster, and stern thruster motor, used during maneuvering in & out of port.
In order to lose all three generators, and ships power, would be caused by 2 things only: Drop of fuel pressure, or the machinery electrical computer system failed, both causing the generator main power breakers to open, loosing all power, as seen on the video. I believe the issue was low fuel pressure that could be caused by various machinery failures. One area that will be investigated closely is if the Fuel Oil 'Standby' pump was set in "Auto Start/Stop" position. All critical machinery, including the F/O system, consists of 2 pumps/motors that are designed to automatically start if the system pressure drops below a certain set point. If the Fuel Oil standby pump selector switch was not in the Auto Start/Stop position, when the F/O pump that was on line failed the Standby pump did not start and fuel pressure was lost, causing the generators to starve for fuel and once the electrical automation senses a drop in generator speed, it will trip the main power breaker(s), and all power is lost to the ship. Once a ships power is lost (lights going out the first time), the ship's Emergency Generator comes on & is designed to restart a generator engine & re-supply power to the entire ship (lights coming back on). Shortly after the lights come on the Captain realized he was on a collision course for the bridge, he put the ship in Full Astern, causing full fuel pressure to the Main Engine, (black smoke from the stack). The loss of power the second time (lights went out again), was caused by a power surge to the one generator that was supplying all machinery systems, including the Bow Thruster, which the Captain at a last attempt, requested max power to the Bow Thruster, tripping the power back off. When a ship loses power, it loses all steering until the Emergency Generator starts & supplies power to the Steering Hydraulic pumps. Once the power was lost the second time, the vessel course could not be changed, travelling at 9 knots, and collided with the bridge.
Michae E. Buckley III,
Chief Engineer
Maersk Line Ltd
I know I’m late with my comment but why wouldn’t the tugs that helped the deberthment be called back to help push the ship out of harm?? or is that even possible?
With knowing only operating on one generator what was the best option?
Thank you for not over dramatizing what may have happened, and for just reporting facts known at this point. You just gained a new subscriber.
I subscribed too!
and me@@smudgey1kenobey
You may not be satisfied Sal, but your coverage of this very sad and very disruptive event is already vastly better than anyone else. Thank you for compassionate, unbiased, factual reporting.
Man this channel has become one of the most important on UA-cam.
Thanks for the update. Please keep us updated as you have more analysis.
Man it always surprises me how often I come to this channel. I do absolutely nothing with boating / ships / water IRL but with the news lately I always end up here. First the submarine implosion, then the whole middle east ship attacks, now this.
If you changed channels, you would be aware of any of this. [winking emoji goes here.]
Wow I thought I was the only one, your an awesome communicator Sal please keep doing what your doing.
Same. And now I have developed an interest in shipping. And am trying to think how our modern world is dependent on global shipping and how similarly our future world (maybe as early as next century) will be dependent on space shipping and how easily and quickly some F-up in orbit can cause a Kessler. We are witnessing Earth learning a global lesson in supply chain resilience in the wake of Covid, Russo-Ukraine war, Red Sea attacks, the odd incident like this one and Evergreen blocking Suez and finally the New Cold War (USA-China). I fear we might have to relearn this in space-based supply chains about 100 years later. Because although friend-shoring, near-shoring and outright re-routing (like around Cape of Good Hope) appear viable options to answer the current string of supply chain crises, most of these might not be an option for the space-based economies and related supply chains. All the consumers of finished goods would still be on Earth. Only the mining and some processing and manufacturing will be moved off-Earth.
Shows how shipping ties the world together. Many global events affect and are affected by it
@@kimbuck2177 yeah, last year a commercial submersible used for diving tours around the wreck of the Titanic imploded at great depth.
Thanks Sal. You’re the only person I want to listen to after something like this happened . Professional succinct expert analysis, not wild hyperbole.
My thoughts are with the people who have been affected by this terrible tragedy .
this is the elites fighting with the SUGAR barons that run the US’s sugar production
100%
You mean you don't like headlines like "Engineer surprised by bridge being destroyed"? I'm not a professional engineer, but I am not surprised that a 100,000 tons at 7.5 Knots took out a pylon and the bridge went down, just look at how it was constructed, no thought that it might get a hit like that.
I just needed to know it was man made disaster.
Like others have said, don't apologize for the quality of the video, the quality was 100% fine! Great information thank you for actually reporting on it unlike most media.
Thank you for getting these videos out so quickly.
In an event like this, you were the channel I turned to for information.
Your “quick, dirty news” is better than any other ,mainstream news I’ve seen so far. Seriously. Thank you.
@@woke_jesus I agree. I was quoting him in his episode. Not my words, his. I dig it tons.
Baltimore Port worker tells ITV News that the Dali ship that crashed into the Francis Scott Key bridge experienced total power failures in the two days that it was docked before the crash: “It was having power problems with draining electrical popping circuit breakers and everything with the mechanics that were working on it,” Julie Mitchell, Co-Administrator from Container Royal said. Container Royal monitors the tonnage on all containers that come in and out of Baltimore Port
This is important info and hopefully the crew won't take bribes or be threatened to shut up about those 2 days of power issues...
That’s horrible that this tragedy could’ve been avoided but ignored mechanical issues.
This incident is EXACTLY why we NEED MORE American Flagged JONES ACT ships!!
This ship is a Foriegn Flagged vessel, and has a very high possibility that it was NOTas well maintained as an American Flagged Jones Act vessel would be! We must maintain the JONES ACT to keep our American owned and Operated ships sailing!!! This disaster WAS Preventable!!
@@smytbconsidering the state of _other_ us flagged vehicles with significant maintenance and build quality issues, I don't see it changing all that much
The workers were likely rushed and any maintenance was likely not being done too high enough standard due to overall cost
Seems like a "profit trumps all" kind of issue to me
Was this made by BOEING😄Sorry,not sorry.. ANOTHER UNDERLYING ISSUE event.. What happened to " see , hear something, SAY something.. Overlooked , Nothing to see here.. The saving of the dollar , evil here on earth..
Thank you for the clear explanation. My son was 4 years in USCG. They just got to town so will show him this as he finished up duty in Maryland after patrol from AK to Mexico. Prayers for all, very sad!
Absolutely the best and most accurate analysis I’ve seen. I wish everyone would watch this and stop with the conspiracy theories!
All the news outlets should show the two videos you have and it would answer most of the questions regular people have at the time
The news doesn't want to answer real questions, just push a certain narrative!
100%
Except it's not their job to inform you. It's their job to mystify, manipulate and distract you. That's why they never tell the full story, always cant it in a particular direction and go into hysteronics on camera
@@nicholashodges201mainstream media's poor coverage doesn't always mean something so nefarious. Basically nobody at any news desk is an expert in that they cover (besides sports and weather, maybe). Because of this, they often won't even know to look for the correct, complete story. Also, the pressure to get stories out fast directly negates thorough research. By the time they "do their homework" nobody cares about the story anymore. We, the general public, only have ourselves to blame.
@@brandonclark5576 wow. You're gullible. You've *never* noticed all of the "coincidences" in MSM AND forgotten the last 7 years of disproven media narratives such as the Russia collusion hoax and the *deliberate* suppression of the various Biden related scandals, particularly the Hunter laptop during the midterms?
Corporate media *only* exists to mystify, manipulate and distract you
My wife’s nephew is in the coast guard and was called up to patrol this. He is there now
Keep us informed here in the comments?
you should't release information like that on youtube.....
@@jfkesq It's public info relax.
So you don’t like the kid enough to call him nephew? Your wife’s nephew?
@@Plutogalaxy My parents' other kids are around here doing something.
The news channels told me nothing. This was so informative and clear as to what happened. Thank you!
Its amazing that most people and the Baltimore news media didn't talk about what causes the light on the vessel to go out in 1 min. Now there's the #1 source of issue right there.
Thanks for kicking this out early, Dr. Sal!
Thanks for this information! I grew up in Dundalk and to us, the Key Bridge was more than just a bridge. It was part of our community and stood as a Colossus as you entered the Inner Harbour! A part of us went down with that bridge this morning. I pray for all those people who were on and around the bridge and their families that are being affected by this tragedy!
Apologies for the tragic incident. You all will come back harder.
I live in Dundalk now - just off Bear Creek - our lovely navigational landmark is gone! But praise GOD it didn't happen during rush hour! Prayers for all those who lost their lives. Now the economic impact on Baltimore.....
Thank U again for your videos - Do note that none of the commentators have yet noted that certain systems did work / people did their jobs and it thankfully saved many many lives. The ship called Mayday prompting people to close bridge vehicle traffic - they quickly closed the lanes of bridge traffic at both sides. You can also see this in the video, at first there is bridge vehicle traffic, and then it stops.
Thank you for such a clear/concise report/briefing on this tragic incident. Your report/briefing is a welcomed relief
Don’t worry if it’s not synchronised to the exact second 😉
This is still the best channel on UA-cam for shipping news…. And their accidents 😂
Agreed. This is golden just the way it is!
Amen
Important to point out that when you decide to back down, you induce a loss of steering as there is no longer prop wash over the rudder.
*That is the best assessment I have seen . . . The two most important considerations are mechanical failure and human error . . .*
I agree prop walk is the likely cause. Though I would have expected at 8kts there is enough speed to keep the rudder useful? My boat (which to be clear is only a few tons) has no maneuverability in reverse at 1-2 kts, but at 6kts the rudder can overcome the prop walk and keep the boat going straight.
@@justinadamson3155 any ahead bell will give the vessel better steerage than a backing bell.
@@xCheddarB0b42x Exactly. Every skipper who has tried for the first time to back a single-screw vessel into a slip understands this.
@@justinadamson3155 How is there prop-walk if there's no power to the prop? I can see how it might still be turning (maybe because the engines take a while to stop rotating after they switch off or because they are free-wheeling through the water), but surely without the torque being applied by the engine there can't be any prop-walk? Wouldn't the props more likely be causing drag?
WoW. Great video. Just discovered your channel because of this incident.
Very detailed and easy to understand.
Best place to get good info on what’s going on so far.
Good job.
For the people that is lost our prayers and condolences. Tks for your time to investigate, share and explain. A major tragedy for all the people affected directly and in logistics a long headache.
Power outage… thanks for such a fast and accurate idea of what happened. I can imagine the panic and confusion in those minutes.
hyundai...
is the ship navigation computer controlled ?
@@waltermullen9987 I'd be willing to bet..Yes, just about everything is computer controlled nowadays.
When I was in the USN we'd have two generators on line in situations like this even though we'd normally use just one for everyday steaming.
Our electrical and propulsion systems were separate, that being said,...if they lost electrical power they may have lost engine control as well.
No such thing as a power outage on ships that have many back up power sources generators.
@@woke_jesusDepends on current and wind, position of rudder and drag of prop if not turning or walk if still under engine power. Not clear if engine was lost also. If the rudder was centered the ship should have gone straight for quite a ways. But with enough momentum one would expect the ship not to veer so sharply unless the rudder turned to starboard when control was lost.
You’re doing a better job explaining this than mainstream media. You have a new subscriber.
It’s amazing what competency will bring to the world. When an expert shows up, we feel good.
@@MBheli621 especially independent experts without vested interests.
That is because the mainstream media is looking for a way to blame this on Trump. That is just what they do.
You still pay attention to MSM????
Thank you for this content. This is probably the most complete explanation for the events that I've seen so far.
Hello Sam
I got the link to your channel from Juan Browne's Blancolario channel. I have to tell you that your coverage of this incident is the best I've seen so far. Surpassing the MSM coverage in every possible way.
This is a terrible tragedy for sure but we should be glad that it didn't happen during rush hour or at would have been much worse.
RIP To those who perished and condolences to their families.
Juan posted a video so his followers (aka me) would get the alert to watch Sam’s channel. It worked out well for me to find this stellar report as the curiosity piqued around here. Such a stunning loss!
Please don’t apologize. You are giving great analysis on a developing story and using your own expertise. We appreciate your video.
thank you sir for providing a A#1 class video regarding this tragic event. i suspect this is the very best coverage of this that is online or in the news. this is so well done i have passed it on to others who don't have the time to 'find' this incredible view. gain, thank you, job well done.
you are the best, my first stop for shipping news and clarity.
Why can't CNN interview YOU instead of the many people who have so little information? I mean, the GPS and all, this is the analysis we would all like to see. Thanks for your fantastic videos!
Why watch Corporate corrupt media when we have First Rate Citizen Journalists (rated by citizens) like Sal et al.
I don’t watch the enemy of the people. Left or right, they all have an agenda.
... because it's CNN. They haven't had anything of value in decades
truth and fact mix badly with propaganda, you can get one or the other.
because the CNN needs to MILK the news on a 24 hour-days schedule,they gotta make a whole series of reports that verge from half fake/truth to clear truth eventually,they cannot survive with just a 7 min report for a whole day
No use bothering with national media when it comes to Shipping. Thanks for getting the facts out there and keeping the speculation to a minimum.
No use bothering with them for anything.
national news is speculating on the cause, was it:
A: Donald Trump
B: Global Warming
C: The Patriarchy/Racism
D: Russians
or
E: All of the above
@@snoopstp4189don't forget to add Boeing to the list
@@snoopstp4189I don't know what weirdo news you're watching, but that's not even close to reality.
Watched this & your other vid this morning & learned more than I could've had Inwatched the news all day. Thanks!
Thank you Sal. Concise professional evaluation priceless.
Hervorragende Analyse des maritimen Events! Als pensionierter Kapitän der Handelsmarine mit 15 Jahren Erfahrung als Kapitän von ULCCs und ERZTRÄGERN (475.000 DWT) ist der Verlust der Stromversorgung das Worst-Case-Szenario für jeden Kapitän! Danke für die Infos.
Gibt es (abseits von den Funkgeräten) keine Redundanz in der Stromversorgung der essentiellen Systeme Ruder und Maschinensteuerung bei Schiffen dieser Größe?
Ich frage als Fahrzeugingenier. Bei Kraftfahrzeugen ist es obligatorisch eine (ggf eingeschränkte) Kontrolle über Lenkung und Bremsen auch beim Verlust eines Energiekreises zu behalten. Bei Bremsen sind sogar zwei zu 100% getrennte Systeme vorgeschrieben, zählt man den Antrieb dazu sogar drei Systeme.
@@peterebel7899surely an APU or some emergency power?
@@peterebel7899Natürlich. Aber es nützt relativ wenig, wenn die Hauptmaschine still steht, ohne Antrieb kann man so ein Schiff nicht mehr kontrollieren. Meistens gibt es auf Schiffen drei Generatoren (2 Haupt- und ein Notfallgenerator), aber die laufen am Ende über einen gemeinsamen Leiter, bevor der Strom auf die verschiedenen Netze verteilt wird und diese sind auch nicht unbedingt räumlich getrennt. Alles zum Steuern läuft über einen getrennten Schaltkasten, Du kannst also davon ausgehen, als das Licht im Schiff wieder anging, waren nur der Notfallgenerator, die Brücke und die Rudermaschine in Betrieb. Wenn Wind/Strömung stark von der Seite drückt, hast Du zu der Zeit immer noch keine Chance, auf Kurs zu bleiben. Entsprechend sieht es auch so aus, als hat die Mannschaft im Maschinenraum versucht, so schnell wie möglich die Maschine wieder in Betrieb zu bekommen und das Schiff volle Fahrt zurück etwas abzubremsen, aber der Bremsweg von einen Schiff ist auch dann zu groß und knapp 2 km/h eben genug um eine Brücke einzudrücken und zum Einsturz zu bringen.
@@devintariel3769 Not just an APU, the whole power net has to be redundant (and independent)
@@peterebel7899Ich habe hier in einem anderen Kommentar gelesen: Ja, es gibt eine Redundanz der Stromversorgungssysteme - aber es braucht Zeit, um diese hochzufahren. Solange ist das Schiff praktisch nicht manövrierfähig und entwickelt eine Eigendynamik der Drift, die bei dieser Schiffsmasse dann nur langsam wieder einzufangen ist - in diesem Fall zu langsam.
Thank you for this update. It cleared up some questions I had based on other reporting. Absolute worst thing to happen at a very bad time. Really appreciate all your videos, aleays informative.
Excellent reporting. Being a retired Marine, steam, and diesel engineer. I have a problem with the situation. When leaving Port, you always have a standby generator in the engine room running. If the generator that is online fails, you simply throw a switch and re-power the ship. This obviously did not happen, and the ship was out of power long enough for the automated emergency generator to kick in.
It sounds like oversteering and operator error with mechanical failure as well. I think when the ship started to lose power the crew panicked and made a lot of mistakes. When the ship twists they were hard left and when it starts going left they spin it around hard right trying to correct the ship but its too late. 100k tons has A LOT of momentum out there. Id believe it was intentional if he had just went head on into it but the careening and twisting of the ship tells me panic induced error.
Thanks Sal for all you do.
Am old enough to remember the Sunshine Skyway Bridge. This definitely has brought those memories back. Thoughts and prayers for those involved in Baltimore.
That was in Florida right? Around 80s
@@Victor_James68 Mouth of Tampa Bay, I-275 South end of Pinellas and Sarasota.
@@Victor_James68yes, May 1980. Total of 33 fatalities with most being on the Greyhound bus that landed upside down. That was during a sudden storm that was primarily the cause.
THANK YOU. This video settled about a dozen arguments in Twitter.
I tried. But on fb ppl dont watch the video they just keep typing lmao.
This is the BEST and most IMPORTANT coverage of the accident. First time I have seen Sal. I know not to expect ANY ACCURATE or FACTUAL news from the main stream media. They have no conceivable understanding of inertia, loads or how huge ships are harder to handle without power than the reporters own phones. Thank you Sal for explaining and showing what happened. I live right on Lake Huron and see ships half as big as the DALI have trouble making way in our shipping channels. Sorry to say but that bridge was designed as a delicate structure without sufficient protection. Just looking at the chart is so enlightening. And the synch job was great. Will be watching as the months and years go on in this saga.
I appreciate what you do so much Sal. Keep it up!
Having tugs accompany ships until they're clear of obstacles like bridges might be a good idea.
It might be a good idea to better maintain ships.
@@tedmoss defense in depth
The blame is to the port authority, They let ships cross a bridge that was never build to withstand ships this size colliding with it.
I worked on a ship that had a brand new ABC propulsion system, And it would shut down on its own every order port we would enter for no real reason.
You can maintain a ship to the max, and things like this will still happen. @@tedmoss
Would a tug have been able to react in time? I doubt it. OTOH bridges shouldn't be collapsing if ships that regularly pass under them lose steerage. I think this is a case of "What's going wrong with bridge construction?" I doubt that engineer designing those piers factored in the possibility that a container ship would crash into them.
@@tedmosswhen ships become old, there are things which you can't predict
Hardly haphazard Sal! Very professional - on short notice.
I saw your earlier episode - you've got your finger on the pulse of this - and share insights all the others miss! Thanks Sal!
Thank you for this! It's the best coverage I've seen.
Amazing video & analysis, which you posted fairly early after the accident. So glad you put this together. Not a single thing to appologize for. As others have said, we did not get this good of an analysis from MSM
Much better than all the news channels that are guessing/speculating! Thank you Sal
Thx for posting useful info instead of repeating the same 5 soundbytes that mainstream media is pumping out. Also, for those in the comments section not familiar with how diesel engines work, thick black smoke is an indication that the power requested (throttle position) is higher than what can be produced either due to lack of intake air, an overload condition, etc. Basically, it's what I would expect to see if they went FULL reverse and the demand from the prop(s) is higher than what the engine can produce. It's simply "unburnt fuel".
Also an indication of lack of power to and from the engines.
I had a hard time finding this channel again. I couldn't get into my UA-cam history atm. You just got a new subscriber. You did a better job than all MSM.
This was extremely insightful. Wayyy better than anything in media.
That ship must have completely severed the bridges’ foundational connections. There was a connection point transitioning from the concrete foundation (going deep down into the earth most likely into solid bedrock under the water) and the structural steel supporting the bridge span.. That connection point is (was) most likely huge bolts. These bolts connect the concrete foundations and the steel above. As a structural engineer… that sight is sickening. We design structures to “bend” or otherwise deform. In extreme events like an earthquake (seismic loading) or severe loading from hurricanes or tornados (wind loads) or extreme loading from snow or multiple heavy vehicles on the bridge span (live loads)… the structure in question should deform and bend in a way that is apparent to the users of the structure. It is a way to warn them to take immediate action and flee and get off (or out) of the structure. The worst possible failure is a sudden collapse without warning. Often after major Structural failures like this (think 9-11 World Trade Center collapse or famous dam failures) the building codes, steel, and concrete codes are all “updated” to make subsequent failures less likely. When that bridge is redesigned… the possibility of a shear loading failure (caused by a high speed ship impact) should be accounted for and the engineering designs improved. It will make all subsequent bridge designs more expensive but safer. Pray for the families that lost loved ones in this incident but rest assured the organizations responsibe for that design are paying attention and will mandate improvements in the future. There is a famous engineering story about Soviet Structural Engineers… when they designed a bridge and it was being “load tested” by driving many heavenly laden vehicles onto the span… the engineer who signed off on the design would be standing under the bridge at the time… if the engineer isn’t willing to put his life on the line to demonstrate his confidence in the design… then the public should not be allowed on it either.
It's a 50 year old bridge. Ships were much smaller back then.
@@SteamCrane Yes many things get “grandfathered” in for practicality. As a small example… guardrail designs have become much more stringent in modern times… many little mundane details guard against falls from height for a “working surface”. Today the height of the guardrail, the space in between the rails (sometimes no space is allowed at all so not even a child could squeeze through)… the force needed to “bend the rail” if a huge crowd is pushing on it.. etc etc… in older structures you will still see designs from decades ago that would in no way pass OSHA or IBC (the building code) requirements of todays standards… but to go through all the structures to bring them up to the current code standards would be economically and practically impossible… so they are left as is and the only time they will get changed is if the owner of the structure wants to spend the money or they are doing new construction or modifying the original design. I agree… in this case the bridges foundations were most likely designed to “catch” a smaller ship and protect the steel connections… but when a larger ship impacted it bypassed the concrete entirely and impacted directly on the connection point. Like when they mandated that all semi trucks had to have a rail installed on the rear of the trailer… so civilian automobiles would be stopped from going “under” the trailer leading to instant decapitation and loss of life.
Mr. "Dependable" for the latest! Thanks Sal!
This is the most comprehensive description i have heard of what happened. Thank you.
Sal, your time to shine. Thank you sir.
Thanks very much for this excellent analysis . Loss of power in a narrow shipping channel is the most dreadful thing , one can imagine especially with a vulnerable structure in close proximity . As it appears, the crew acted in a text book fashion , to take way off the ship , but the distance to the pylon was perhaps too short to do that , considering the initial speed and the mass of the ship. My heart goes out to the people on the bridge at the time of it's collapse .
You are doing a great job. Dont need to be perfect, better to get out your analysis than wait.
You Did Great And Thank You For Showing What Information You Have!
Easily the best report on the situation out there, thanks for a great channel
Never heard of your channel before, but UA-cam suggested it! Thank Goodness! MSM is WORTHLESS for accurate information! I'm now subscribed.
News is all over the place. Sal=straight to the point reporting! Thanks Sal!!!!
Nice job Sal. I’ve been a subscriber for about 2 months now and enjoy your analysis 👍
No apologies, this is outstanding coverage that we aren't getting anywhere else. Thank you!
Reports are that the ship issued a MayDay, when it lost power, which resulted in closing the bridge and stopping more vehicles from going onto the bridge. Which minimized the number of vehicles on the bridge.
If that’s the case, how was a construction crew pouring concrete still topside when it collapsed then???
@@joshuaraleigh4648 Time the increment between, when the lights on the ship go out, and when the collision/collapse occurred. Then ask yourself how long it wold take to shutdown a concrete worksite? I spent thirty years doing heavy and light construction. Crews don’t just move that quick. And there was probably no time to warn a crew on the bridge. The mayday, resulted in closing access for vehicles entering the bridge, and not enough time to warn and evacuate anyone on the bridge.
@@joshuaraleigh4648 I don't think they had enough time. Mayday was issued and bridge was shut down per official statements.
But it was shut down to new traffic. People on the bridge were another story.
@@joshuaraleigh4648that pretty much answers itself doesn't it
@@bengee2902 What I want to know is are you paying Benji the television dog royalties to use a version of his name?
You are way more current and informed than the news at this moment. Good Job.
Yours was the first report I saw, fantastic coverage! You have done a great job
Thank you and very well done! Much better than traditional news sources and zero nonsense 🎉🎉🎉🎉
ref silence aboard ship:
I was in the USCG and we took our 210' to the yards.
Mostly we had shore power....but once... they had to cut off everything..
Nothing aboard ship was running.. we were in drydock.
Not even the emergency lighting was hooked up.
It was the darkest, loneliest, sensation ever... short of having it happen underway.
It was then I decided ... "if we ever go down, I am not gonna be below decks."
Afterwards.... every time we "had to go out but didn't have to come back".... in extra heavy weather...
I made sure to stay on the bridge (my post) or at least not 'below' as much as possible.
I did not like the idea of death at sea...but if it came..... i did not want to be in steel blackness.
So, yeah..... even in port.... in drydock..... that silence gets to you.
Submariners must be a special breed indeed.
Best news we had as been from you.I’m in Baltimore we had better reports from you & the BBC then our hometown news stations.my prayers are with the mayor Brandon Scott so much stress for such a young man😢.
Outstanding analysis Sal. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
Power went out and then came back on line and she thru it in reverse hense all the black smoke billowed out and then you can see the rear end kick out and then power went out again and then collided into the bridge. KLW World news broke this down several times this morning.Thanks sal👍
Seems to me like the anchor was dropped before they got power back, which left them committed to trying to stop.
@@richardreid6377 Nope, that anchor didn't help, if it had caught on something it would just snap the chain. 100,000 tons is a lot of weight.
@@richardreid6377 I agree, we know they dropped the anchor, and if they dropped the anchor during that outage they probably felt committed to trying to stop the boat. Once power came back up they felt they had to commit to the stop and call for full astern. Then the prop walk steered the boat straight into the pylon. Unclear why they didn't also get back the rudder at that point, it seems to me at 8kts the rudder should have been able to overpower the prop walk? I've never driven anything longer than 32'' though so I dunno. Certainly in my boat there is no maneuverability while reversing at 1-2 knots, but at 6 knots I can steer her.
If they hadn't dropped the anchor yet, going full astern is a bit of a baffling decision.
Power going out the second time was after the Dali was headed for and almost at the bridge. Not a factor in this incident.
Bigger question is wouldn't the captain and pilots know the risk of turning out of the channel if they try to slow.
In aviation incidents, continuing to fly is given highest priority.
However, it's clear that communicating helped bridge authorities shutdown traffic. BUT missing the bridge would have been better.
@@saty580 It seems probable to me that their standard procedure is to drop anchor immediately if you lose power in the harbor, since you don't know when/if you will get it back. I speculate that they dropped it the first time they lost power, then when the power came back they felt committed to trying to stop so they put the engines in reverse.
I have watched this channel a few times. Now I am subscribed. This is a must have channel to get ship incident information. This is so much better than all the news networks.
Hell of a way to commence year #3 of What’s Going on With Shipping. I see another wave of subscribers have found your channel. Keep up the good work Dr. Sal.
It's wild how quick the bridge collapsed 😢