I can't even click copy or paste ryan@summitsolutions. When I enter it my browser says not secure and won't let me enter it. Dude my whole life has been hacked my ex just got full custody of my kids for a month her sister's ex is in jail for 40 years because of stuff the authorities found on his phone. He reads on a 3rd grade level could barely use google. Please help me.
If you're intending to go into cyber security/IT/Tech get your bachelors in computer science so you're not pigeon holed into just cyber security and its niches. With a BS in Comp Sci. you can get a job in all areas that encompass computer science, with cyber security being a subset of that. It would be harder for a cyber security degree to allow you to deviate from that subset. If you want to specialize in cyber security, get a masters degree after getting experience at cyber security job.
Nah, all companies want are experience and certificates. You don't even have to go for any degrees if you are planning to get a job in tech. If you want to rank up in the hiearchy however, you need a bachelors at least. You would be surprised how many people work as a programmer having some sort of arts degree. Lol.
WOW! I learned to code and obtained an associates for full stack dev and it was insane but a great set of skills, now going into obtaining my cybersecurity bachelors VERY happy to find this video made a few months ago and what you stated is so true about cyber. I started coding 2 years ago and CS was popular and now cyber seems to be where its at. Thanks for the video!!!
I'm a senior for my BSc in Cybersecurity and we had classes in both python and c#. Even with an advanced c# course. I agree with what Ryan here is saying. I already get emails every day with job offers and I haven't even updated my resume in a few years. lol
Thank you so much for this video man! I’ve leaned more towards Cyber security but also was wondering if I should go for CS instead. I just got out of the military and I’m starting my first year of college this Spring at UTSA whose known for having the #1 Cyber Security program in the country! I’m so stoked to get started.
Whatever your situation is just know you are already ahead of the pack ! I ruined my opportunity for the military but thankfully this is America and the opportunities are endless !
CS you can apply to a lot more career paths including cyber. If you want to really get the best of both, find a solid CS bachelors program and pursue a masters in Cybersecurity. You learn the fundamentals of computers in a decent CS program. Also don’t forget about a few good security certifications on the side.
Just came across the comment. CS is the best idea for someone who wants options. But not so much for someone who wants to specialize and grow in the Cyber Security Field.
I know it has been about a year since you posted this but I wanted to thank you. I am coming up on finishing my second year of a CS degree and have quickly realized the subject matter doesn't really interest me too much and have recently decided to redirect to Cyber Security. I'd definitely say part of me was a little worried how this would play out but I also am actively coding on the side via my own personal projects and self paced courses on Udemy. It might just all work out!
Hey, I’m noticing the same thing I’m a first year CIT major thinking of transferring to CS but I noticed the material is not that interesting to me. I want to get a profession in cyber but I’m not sure if I should transfer into CS or Cyber. Any tips?
My advice: BSc in CS + CISSP if blue team and/or OSCP if red team. Flexibility with CS so you can pivot into a dev role if you want, but use top certs to target cyber roles.
A caveat to getting a cybersecurity degree: a lot of the cybersecurity degrees do not teach you crap. When I see a candidate with a cybersecurity degree instead of certifications, I am instantly more weary and skeptical of their knowledge. I give them a chance, it just turns out the majority of them lack fundamental knowledge. This is just because cybersecurity degrees are relatively new and a lot of variation between the degrees; some will be too theoretical whereas some will be too hands-on. Additionally, cybersecurity itself is not an entry-level field. There are entry-level cybersecurity jobs, but most entry-level cybersecurity jobs are mid-level IT jobs. The experience and knowledge gained in the previous IT job lays the fundamental knowledge required in cybersecurity. On the other hand, computer science degrees have been around for a while and most are relatively well-developed and most will have very little variation with the core subjects. Also, computer science degrees allow for more job security as they are less specialized than cybersecurity.
I know a Walmart cashier with 5 security certs. Doubt he can ever run a SOC or he would choose another career. Certs are studying a book and being a good test taker that you will forget the next morning.
This here is exactly why I switched to computer science despite all of the advanced mathematics it requires. Computer science degrees are very versatile and widely respected, whereas Cyber Security degrees are new and may not be respected or teach the true fundamentals
I am a 1st year bachelor of cybersecurity student, but found myself much more passionate about maths and coding compared to pen testing. THe only subject I am really interested in cybersecurity is cryptography because its maths heavy. I was thinking about transfer to computer science or software engineering previously, but after watched you video, I decided to give myself one more semester in the cybersecurity course
I really wished I'd seen this video sooner I did a Cyber Security BootCamp and it was extremely hard, went from 40 students to 10. Majority of the students who actually understood the material already had experience using the software tools and knowledge of the commands they had to use. Way too much information to grasp at a fast pace. I ended up dropping the class.
I’m in a cybersecurity bootcamp through a local community college. It’s so much information. They break it into two semesters where I go. Even then I still feel like it’s too fast to be able to comprehend. Almost finished with the first semester
Love that this popped up. I’ve been interested in both. I took a cyber security club back in high school (cyber patriot) and that’s what got my interested. I am in the process of getting a cyber security certificate and only need one more course , while I was also just taking courses for a Computer science degree. I think I may put my focus into cyber security
@@ImAshleeS Im enjoying it. The classes I have taken so far have included virtual environments via Packet tracer. I liked setting up routers switches, firewalls etc. Waiting on the classes to process to receive my certificate for it now.
Ryan, thank you for the explanation. The way you instated, I am paraphrasing here "looking at today you're making more money as a software/computer science, looking in the next 2-5 year". I was a little insecure of the idea I'll be regretting the desicion on majoring in Cyber Security.
Thank you for telling me that I am on the right path. 2nd year student in CS at a technical collage. I will have an AS degree in a few more months. I'm here to see what route to take. I'm not the best problem solver so I was looking into the Cyber Security field. I have no clue about how they differ.
Hey man im doing the exact same thing. I go to a trade school and in a few months I graduate. How is it looking for you man whats the update on your situation
Thank you for the video... I am just going to start my undergraduate this year but was very confused between cs and cbs , but now I have a plus point towards cyber security 🤗🙃😎👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hey so I’m considering adding a cybersecurity certification or a Bachelors in cybersecurity to my background and I am wrapping up my masters in criminal justice: homeland security in May. I’m curious to hear your opinion regarding this avenue, would it be worth tacking that on seeing as many new crimes, and the security of critical infrastructures are primarily through the web now and are evolving into such. Let me know your thoughts if at all possible. Thank you. (My goals are to work to combat human trafficking, terrorism, or in an intelligence field)
This is DA video, my husband graduated from Cyber Security BS and I am working on my Computer Science Software Engineer BS. This is the fight in my house XDDD we joke around a lot but thank you about the informative video. Much Love from 2 nerds.
I went for a BA in Mathematics. Now, after 20 years working in computer infrastructure and support, I'm doing an MSc in Cyber Security. Looking forward to see where it takes me.
@@unholy7324 Still doing the MSc - another 18 months to go. I'm on a Software Security module at the moment - doing a bit of a crash course in C and Assembly to test out vulnerabilities like buffer overflows and format string vulnerabilities. Quite challenging fitting it in around work but it is interesting.
@@ralph17p head down keep going! After 1.5 years of teaching myself networking, pentesting, and python I received an email scheduling my first interview today. If my knuckle dragging ass can do it....
Good points. I went somewhat a different route. All my mentors that are currently at the top or upper median of this industry highly recommended CS over cyber. Because everything is going automation and someone has to write all of that. Particularly when you consider the normalization of remote work. Coders with focus and knowledge in cybersec are going to be in higher demand than ever.
I'm sorry maybe I'm just confused but above you said that your mentors recommended CS over cyber than you said that someone with cyber knowledge and coding is going to be in more demand???
@@waliullah3286 I was explaining that cs practitioners that can develop and maintain cyber security infrastructure are in demand because many of the enterprise functions in the cyber security space are being automated by engineers who can design scripts and applications to replace people doing it. Most ticket issues that cannot be immediately solved at the application level are already escalated to engineers anyway. So, approaching infrastructure as code from a cs background is far easier and likely more valuable long term than climbing the purist cyber security hierarchy and discovering you have to go back and learn to code anyway. It’s like achieving journeyman as a race car driver and then finding out that in order to graduate into masterclass rank you need to know how to build the engine that drives the car. Ultimately it depends on how far you want to go, some people are happy being mid level. My mentor had to go back and learn to code later in his career and lamented not doing it earlier in college.
@@alonzodavis3987 thanks for the explanation, I'm currently an As level student in a 3rd world country who originally was planning on becoming a doctor but can't due to expenses, so now have decided to go into the computer science field out of which cybersecurity seemed most interesting (from the outside atleast) and futureproof (especially where I'm from) and also considering that i hate algebra was leaning towards a bs in cyber over a bsCS but who knows, I'll keep on researching as I have some time in hand and make a decision
4:22 cybersecurity is my first priority and also i love coding but i am not comfortable with deep maths that are teach by the uni in computer science degree because it gives a lot of pressure to students ..... i learn deep maths with coding side by side rather than in uni.
Appreciate the video. I’m going to Woz U boot camp for cyber security and it’s 33 weeks. Mainly because I’m a veteran and my education benefits are paying for it. I know you’re against boot camps in most situations.
Your answer really make sense and to the point to me. All the elaboration really resonate with my thinking as well. Really help me to clarify some decisions i am making.🙏🏻🙏🏻
not sure about the pros for a cybersecurity degree. the demand for cybersecurity professionals is specifically for those with a lot of experience like senior professionals, not juniors with bachelors, because it's just the nature of the job. lots of companies don't want some script kiddie being entrusted with their security (exaggeration but...) and there's a lack of job opportunities for juniors.
Here cyber is in the computer science. Here in belgium first year is a general year. Then for your 2-3th year you gotta pick a certain direction you wanna go. Programming, cyber, business, ...
One of the coming trends is that for programmers to have admin level access to corporate computers they must have a Cyber Security certification. The certification is a breeze for those that understand computers at a technical level the way software engineers do. Get the engineering degree and the rest is a piece of cake.
thank you!!! this is the video i was looking for!, i was debating between CS and Security, but didnt know whch one to learn first, i had heard that it was a good idea to become a computer scientist first (because of the knowledge you get on computers since you learn how they work form the inside out) and then learn about cyber security but i guess is not such a bad idea to go straight into cyber security? and then if im really interested i guess go for CS or something else? thank you so so much!!!
Want to clarify a point with a Masters in Comp Sci, not sure how it isn't worth it, all of the professionals I have talked to through the national labs have said otherwise. Maybe it is different in the private sector but I wouldn't think it'd be.
Younger and less sure about career? Get a degree in computer science. Further into career and sure you want to be in infosec? Go with the cyber degree. After a number of years experience it will not matter. Boot camp and unbranded carts are like cheap attendance awards and will do little to help you get a job. .
Enjoyed the video. Unfortunetly I was very unwell with covid back in Jan 2021 and still recovering now a year later. I maybe loosing my job down to capability/I'll health. Being unwell can open your eyes to try something new that I may not off before falling ill because you just get 'comfortable' in your job. I've been advised I can take free courses to learn new skills or better your skills and I'm thinking of computering route. You also gain a qualification and certificate at the end. Cyber security or coding is interesting me. I currently have no qualifications or haven't studied these before but I'm interested. At the age of 32 am I to late? Taking some courses and studying appeals to me and would feel a good use of my time whilst recovering. Would be interested in your thoughts. I've also just subscribed 😀 👍
I am almost 50 and I am in school now for a Bachelors in Cybersecurity. With my background as a 30 year Paramedic and Volunteer Firefighter and 20 years as a police officer then throw in the past 6 years as a death investigator I have wondered if it was the right decision
you can do a roadmap, first take the ccna (its a better option than taking the Network+), then take the linux+ in order to get a good understandind of how it works, and then the security+. Before the security+ you have to choose other certifications according to what you are going to specialize.
As someone in IT I see both worlds am going to Go back and get a bachelor's degree and its gonna be Computer science or Computer networking and not Cyber security. And this is because at work(fortune 500) it feels like the Networking People are so much more needed Because they tend to double as security as well forex ample with doing things like building a vpn Tunnel and configuring a firewall. whereas cyber security it feels like Tools are incorporating good security components and forcing good security practices unto the users which means that the Cyber security Hype will die down than go up. And with COMP sci you get to create the Tools that all the other IT fields use so I would rank them like this and you can always learn all to be honest. 1 Networking 2 computer science 3 cyber security
One thing you said that I want to emphasize is do what you like to do! I'm going to college online, so this especially applies to me. I tried cybersecurity and didn't like it (even though I have sec+ for my job). I switched to computer science because I know coding is what I love to do. You said BS in cybersec and then learn to code on the side. What about BS in CS and study cybersec on the side for certs (Sec+, CISSP etc). What are your thoughts on that? I am in gov contracting and they love those certs.
BS in CS is also a very good option. It is more generalized and that's beneficial to a lot of jobs for new grads. Contrary to some beliefs, jobs aren't looking for people that can already do X things. They are looking for people who are quick to learn and will have a short period of time between acquiring role-specific tasks and executing those tasks well. Especially in the tech sector they are also looking for people who can think "how can we automate this or make this simpler?" which isn't something you can really just teach in school. School is good for building foundational understandings to make it easier to navigate through and reason a problem. So having something that showcases "I know how to interpret software, modify software, or create custom software solutions (e.g. scripts)" will be very sought after. As for certifications, if government contractors like that and that's your sphere of work, then go for it.
I am not very tech-wise or have any experience with coding. I find cybersecurity interesting because I like to understand the vulnerability of the tech world. For right now I'm starting my major with computer science but I find it quite challenging. Should I switch my major to cybersecurity, or should I find a more easier path?
I want to get into cybersecurity field but should I go for bachelors in cybersecurity or computer science? and then obviously masters in cybersecurity.
It depends on your goals, I suppose. My end goal is to run my own cyber security based company so I'll focus on a dual degree in economics and computer science but still apply for software engineering and computer science (gen). Since, the university I plan to do my Master's in requires a, "Bachelor’s degree or equivalent in Computer Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Software Engineering, or Computer Science." then it doesn't matter if I take a bachelor in such. With that said, I might end up taking for my dad's business so it's also something I can fall back on. So, what are your goals? What do you're universities offer for an undergrad and what are requirements for a Master's? Anyways, take my opinion with a grain of salt, I am not a professional (lol).
Thanks for the video! My bachelors has nothing to do with computer science…is getting a masters of computer science something that’s achievable? I’ve really interested but it’s seems kinda intimidating
If I get a MS in Data Science and get a Cybersecurity certificate, how likely would I be able to land a job in Cybersecurity? I'm not particularly good at coding (like, the complicated coding). I'm already admitted to the program so it's kind of too late to back out now. Wish I have known about Cybersecurity degree sooner
Guys what best ?? Computer science then master Cyber security . Or Cyber security then master Cyber security. What is your choice?? And what you think petter?
Great video!!! I’m back in school taking classes for my masters of computer science. My bachelors was in economics. I'm trying to decide on if I should do a concentration in big data management or cybersecurity. What do you think is the better choice? Income and job market differences between these two? Btw, I like your heels
You economics background will help you later in life when you have money to invest. Cybersecurity is a management field. To initially build your initial nest egg you need a technical field. Engineering is where it starts.
What are your thoughts on WGU? I’m specifically interested in their Cybersecurity bachelor’s degree. It comes with 14 certifications and the tuition is significantly cheaper than B&M schools. I’m just a bit hesitant as I would be going in as a complete beginner. I’m a few years out of high school and work in a non related field.
Hi Ryan Great content, I really admire you. Do you recomment doing a bachelors degree in cyber security and then to go for the masters ? Or it is better to do a comp sc. bachelors and than the cyber sec. masters ??
Hi Tamas, I appreciate it! I recommend doing a Bachelors Degree in Cyber Security at the minimum. I think I'll make a video explaining my view though on the masters, etc.
I've recently decided to go back to school for a career change to cybersecurity. I was wondering if you think it matters which school someone goes to. For example, if I got a degree from VT or Syracuse vs a St Bonaventure or Kennesaw State. The biggest difference I see (besides name recognition) is the length of the classes (7 weeks vs full semester). I was curious what your thoughts are since you're a hiring manager.
From my experience in the real world. Where you chose to go to college doesn’t really matter. All that matters is that you finish and get that degree. So it’s best to find the cheapest college for the program your wanting to take, because you don’t want to borrow more in student loans then you’ll be making your first years on the job.
The only thing that matters is that your school is accredited and likely to remain that way. I would not go to one that doesn't offer an engineering path also. When the internet was originally developed physical security was assumed and just getting things to work was the main objective. No thought was placed on security as it was developed to be completely private for engineers to use only. Once the engineers get the bugs worked out of the internet protocols there will be much less need for cybersecurity. Get an engineering degree if you are planning long term.
Hello Ryan. I have no experience in Cyber but believe it be the way forward with regards to warfare. I'm looking into studying a MS in Cybersecurity. The particular program's track is in Policy, however. Is this still a good option with good benefits?
What about the boot camp at Georgia Tech? It’s ranked top 8 boot camps because of the one on one training and community environment that you get after completing the boot camp?
I know this is 11months old. Praying you see this. I am currently working on both MIS and Cybersecurity degree. Along with a coding bootcamp (hopefully soon) I'm curious have I potentially messed up by not going CS?
Hi! Thank you for this great information. I am currently doing BS in computer technology. But I am thinking about changing it to either Data science or Cybersecurity!! What would you prefer, if it was for you? Thank you again
I am a writer I love it. But I worked in cyber fraud. I need to finish my degree just in case my family needs me to work. I’m thinking of cyber security BA.
Hey Ryan Im gonna finish my bachelors in computer science next year, and i plan on doing masters in cyber security after that. Not sure if its the right decision, stuck between USA,CANADA and AUSTRALIA. Drop a recommendation of the country and the uni's if possible. Cheers🍺
Hi pro am from somalia am in first year in university am want to learn a networking and cybersecurity after that .plz tell me my decision is right or wrong 🙏
i appreciate this information really helped me.Thinking of signing on to University of Central Florida for Cyber Security and wonder as a recruiter how would that do?
I'm 42 years old and am a successful aircraft maintanence technician. I currently make a little over 100k a year. I have no degree only a certificate through the FAA which I learned to get in 18 months. Cyber security intrigues me. Would it be worth it for me to go into cyber security? Since I'm making over 100k right now?
Hey thank you for the educational video, ive got 1 year left from graduation of computer science bachelor and ive been thinking about getting into cyber security masters since im passionate about it, would you say its worth taking masters for cyber security or do i just take another route? What would you prefer ive been considering for awhile but i need a non bias answer. Thank you again
It's worth a Masters in Cyber Security, but I would recommend trying to find work beforehand and have a cyber security side gig/job/internship while doing it
Thank you for the insightful video. I was planning on going for a bachelors in CS and then Masters in cybersecurity. My reasoning is that I will transfer into my cybersecurity team at my current company and have been told the skills you get from a CS degree will set me up for a greater technical understanding and I can gain my experience from cyber on the job. Any thoughts??
Hey Ryan, I love cyber security, I've never work in the field sadly but I would like to transition to it. From many moons I've been a fan of CTFs and I am doing medium to hard boxes in different free platforms. Using kali as my main OS. I know I should transform this passion as my main job but here's where I need input from guys like you. What would you do in your shoes. Also sending my resume over for tweaks. Thank you kindly.
How are my chances with just a BA in criminal justice? I’m currently learning code on the side. I wouldnt mind going back to college but that would be a financial hit. The other option is bootcamp which could boost my shot if I do well. I just don’t want to waste my degree and start over..
I have a BS in Cybersecurity. I'm about to finish my Masters in the same. I've been watching a lot of videos, reading a lot of articles, and talking to IT personnel who have been bashing getting a degree. They all talk about certifications/certifications/certifications. It's been very discouraging. What are your thoughts?
@@syedfaheemulhassan6521 Honestly, If you want to be a manager or CISO, then yes. Get those degrees and a CISSP. If you want to do anything like ethical hacking, incident repaonse, or auditing then I would recommend getting a bachelor's in computer science and minor in Cybersecurity (with cyber certs while also learning html, Java, or python). Or skip masters degree and get 2 bachelor's degrees: cyber and computer science. I am behind the curve learning how to code two yrs after graduation.
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you mentioned needing 4 years of experience at 5:58 . what if I got my bachelor's in 2 years? 🤔
I can't even click copy or paste ryan@summitsolutions. When I enter it my browser says not secure and won't let me enter it. Dude my whole life has been hacked my ex just got full custody of my kids for a month her sister's ex is in jail for 40 years because of stuff the authorities found on his phone. He reads on a 3rd grade level could barely use google. Please help me.
If you're intending to go into cyber security/IT/Tech get your bachelors in computer science so you're not pigeon holed into just cyber security and its niches. With a BS in Comp Sci. you can get a job in all areas that encompass computer science, with cyber security being a subset of that. It would be harder for a cyber security degree to allow you to deviate from that subset. If you want to specialize in cyber security, get a masters degree after getting experience at cyber security job.
Thank you🙏🏻🙏🏻
+1
so u dont agree wth him?
Nah, all companies want are experience and certificates. You don't even have to go for any degrees if you are planning to get a job in tech. If you want to rank up in the hiearchy however, you need a bachelors at least. You would be surprised how many people work as a programmer having some sort of arts degree. Lol.
But it also depends on your capabilities as a student
I was really bad at C++ and math during my Comp Sci degree so I switched to Cyber
WOW! I learned to code and obtained an associates for full stack dev and it was insane but a great set of skills, now going into obtaining my cybersecurity bachelors VERY happy to find this video made a few months ago and what you stated is so true about cyber. I started coding 2 years ago and CS was popular and now cyber seems to be where its at. Thanks for the video!!!
I'm a senior for my BSc in Cybersecurity and we had classes in both python and c#. Even with an advanced c# course. I agree with what Ryan here is saying. I already get emails every day with job offers and I haven't even updated my resume in a few years. lol
How did they find your resume?
Finally someone knows what he's talking about between CyberSecurity vs. CS degree. Thank you for an awesome video!
Thank you so much for this video man! I’ve leaned more towards Cyber security but also was wondering if I should go for CS instead. I just got out of the military and I’m starting my first year of college this Spring at UTSA whose known for having the #1 Cyber Security program in the country! I’m so stoked to get started.
Congrats buddy, that's great, let me know how it goes
Whatever your situation is just know you are already ahead of the pack ! I ruined my opportunity for the military but thankfully this is America and the opportunities are endless !
Toaster??
@@duckl637 Can you kindly explain to me how you ruined your opportunity to join the military?
@@davejoe4692 that can literally be anything.
CS you can apply to a lot more career paths including cyber. If you want to really get the best of both, find a solid CS bachelors program and pursue a masters in Cybersecurity. You learn the fundamentals of computers in a decent CS program. Also don’t forget about a few good security certifications on the side.
Wdym by certifications?
This is the best idea
Just came across the comment. CS is the best idea for someone who wants options. But not so much for someone who wants to specialize and grow in the Cyber Security Field.
I know it has been about a year since you posted this but I wanted to thank you.
I am coming up on finishing my second year of a CS degree and have quickly realized the subject matter doesn't really interest me too much and have recently decided to redirect to Cyber Security. I'd definitely say part of me was a little worried how this would play out but I also am actively coding on the side via my own personal projects and self paced courses on Udemy.
It might just all work out!
Hey, I’m noticing the same thing I’m a first year CIT major thinking of transferring to CS but I noticed the material is not that interesting to me. I want to get a profession in cyber but I’m not sure if I should transfer into CS or Cyber. Any tips?
My advice: BSc in CS + CISSP if blue team and/or OSCP if red team. Flexibility with CS so you can pivot into a dev role if you want, but use top certs to target cyber roles.
A caveat to getting a cybersecurity degree: a lot of the cybersecurity degrees do not teach you crap. When I see a candidate with a cybersecurity degree instead of certifications, I am instantly more weary and skeptical of their knowledge. I give them a chance, it just turns out the majority of them lack fundamental knowledge. This is just because cybersecurity degrees are relatively new and a lot of variation between the degrees; some will be too theoretical whereas some will be too hands-on.
Additionally, cybersecurity itself is not an entry-level field. There are entry-level cybersecurity jobs, but most entry-level cybersecurity jobs are mid-level IT jobs. The experience and knowledge gained in the previous IT job lays the fundamental knowledge required in cybersecurity.
On the other hand, computer science degrees have been around for a while and most are relatively well-developed and most will have very little variation with the core subjects. Also, computer science degrees allow for more job security as they are less specialized than cybersecurity.
Your words are going to stay in my mind for many upcoming years.👌👍
I know a Walmart cashier with 5 security certs. Doubt he can ever run a SOC or he would choose another career. Certs are studying a book and being a good test taker that you will forget the next morning.
You can pass an exam for Security certs, however you need at least 5 years hands on experience to be able to actually qualify as a CISSP or CISM.
This here is exactly why I switched to computer science despite all of the advanced mathematics it requires. Computer science degrees are very versatile and widely respected, whereas Cyber Security degrees are new and may not be respected or teach the true fundamentals
I am a 1st year bachelor of cybersecurity student, but found myself much more passionate about maths and coding compared to pen testing. THe only subject I am really interested in cybersecurity is cryptography because its maths heavy. I was thinking about transfer to computer science or software engineering previously, but after watched you video, I decided to give myself one more semester in the cybersecurity course
How has the extra semester impacted your thought process? Would love an update! As I’m considering changing my degree. 😊
He's probably dead
@@cookedpotato yes he got hacked and out of shame he eliminated himself.
@@noedits5543 lol imagine being a Cyber security graduate and you got hacked Soo fast 💀💀
I think your right, he couldn't take the shame
@@cookedpotato he was joking
I really wished I'd seen this video sooner I did a Cyber Security BootCamp and it was extremely hard, went from 40 students to 10. Majority of the students who actually understood the material already had experience using the software tools and knowledge of the commands they had to use. Way too much information to grasp at a fast pace. I ended up dropping the class.
Thanks for this comment
Holy Cow!! It’s that hard
I’m in a cybersecurity bootcamp through a local community college. It’s so much information. They break it into two semesters where I go. Even then I still feel like it’s too fast to be able to comprehend. Almost finished with the first semester
Crash course is always the best
Love that this popped up. I’ve been interested in both. I took a cyber security club back in high school (cyber patriot) and that’s what got my interested. I am in the process of getting a cyber security certificate and only need one more course , while I was also just taking courses for a Computer science degree. I think I may put my focus into cyber security
How are you liking cyber security?
@@ImAshleeS Im enjoying it. The classes I have taken so far have included virtual environments via Packet tracer. I liked setting up routers switches, firewalls etc. Waiting on the classes to process to receive my certificate for it now.
@@micaiahreese that’s super cool! Thank you for replying back.
Ryan, thank you for the explanation. The way you instated, I am paraphrasing here "looking at today you're making more money as a software/computer science, looking in the next 2-5 year". I was a little insecure of the idea I'll be regretting the desicion on majoring in Cyber Security.
Don't 'regret' your decision, just start focusing on the now and making a gameplan for how you want to direct yourself :)
thank you! i am going through a career transition and I am now looking into these career paths.
Legit answered all the questions I was struggling with!! thank you man!!
You're welcome
This was perfect and exactly what I was wondering thank you so much from someone trying to make a career change in my 30s
Thank you for telling me that I am on the right path. 2nd year student in CS at a technical collage. I will have an AS degree in a few more months. I'm here to see what route to take. I'm not the best problem solver so I was looking into the Cyber Security field. I have no clue about how they differ.
Hey man im doing the exact same thing. I go to a trade school and in a few months I graduate. How is it looking for you man whats the update on your situation
Thank you for the video... I am just going to start my undergraduate this year but was very confused between cs and cbs , but now I have a plus point towards cyber security 🤗🙃😎👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hey so I’m considering adding a cybersecurity certification or a Bachelors in cybersecurity to my background and I am wrapping up my masters in criminal justice: homeland security in May. I’m curious to hear your opinion regarding this avenue, would it be worth tacking that on seeing as many new crimes, and the security of critical infrastructures are primarily through the web now and are evolving into such. Let me know your thoughts if at all possible. Thank you.
(My goals are to work to combat human trafficking, terrorism, or in an intelligence field)
Holy shit, absolutely amazing video from someone with experience, thank you very much!
I'm glad it helped :)
This is DA video, my husband graduated from Cyber Security BS and I am working on my Computer Science Software Engineer BS. This is the fight in my house XDDD we joke around a lot but thank you about the informative video. Much Love from 2 nerds.
I went for a BA in Mathematics. Now, after 20 years working in computer infrastructure and support, I'm doing an MSc in Cyber Security. Looking forward to see where it takes me.
What are you doing 4 months later?
@@unholy7324 Still doing the MSc - another 18 months to go. I'm on a Software Security module at the moment - doing a bit of a crash course in C and Assembly to test out vulnerabilities like buffer overflows and format string vulnerabilities. Quite challenging fitting it in around work but it is interesting.
@@ralph17p head down keep going! After 1.5 years of teaching myself networking, pentesting, and python I received an email scheduling my first interview today. If my knuckle dragging ass can do it....
Does that still matter after 20 years of work experience? Thought a BSc or MSc only matter when you first get a job.
Did you have to earn a bachelor in cybersecurity before earning your master's?
Good points. I went somewhat a different route. All my mentors that are currently at the top or upper median of this industry highly recommended CS over cyber. Because everything is going automation and someone has to write all of that. Particularly when you consider the normalization of remote work. Coders with focus and knowledge in cybersec are going to be in higher demand than ever.
I'm sorry maybe I'm just confused but above you said that your mentors recommended CS over cyber than you said that someone with cyber knowledge and coding is going to be in more demand???
@@waliullah3286 I was explaining that cs practitioners that can develop and maintain cyber security infrastructure are in demand because many of the enterprise functions in the cyber security space are being automated by engineers who can design scripts and applications to replace people doing it. Most ticket issues that cannot be immediately solved at the application level are already escalated to engineers anyway. So, approaching infrastructure as code from a cs background is far easier and likely more valuable long term than climbing the purist cyber security hierarchy and discovering you have to go back and learn to code anyway.
It’s like achieving journeyman as a race car driver and then finding out that in order to graduate into masterclass rank you need to know how to build the engine that drives the car.
Ultimately it depends on how far you want to go, some people are happy being mid level. My mentor had to go back and learn to code later in his career and lamented not doing it earlier in college.
@@alonzodavis3987 thanks for the explanation, I'm currently an As level student in a 3rd world country who originally was planning on becoming a doctor but can't due to expenses, so now have decided to go into the computer science field out of which cybersecurity seemed most interesting (from the outside atleast) and futureproof (especially where I'm from) and also considering that i hate algebra was leaning towards a bs in cyber over a bsCS but who knows, I'll keep on researching as I have some time in hand and make a decision
4:22 cybersecurity is my first priority and also i love coding but i am not comfortable with deep maths that are teach by the uni in computer science degree because it gives a lot of pressure to students ..... i learn deep maths with coding side by side rather than in uni.
Great information to have in back pocket! Thanks for sharing! 😀
Appreciate the video. I’m going to Woz U boot camp for cyber security and it’s 33 weeks. Mainly because I’m a veteran and my education benefits are paying for it. I know you’re against boot camps in most situations.
Most situations, but there's always an exception to the rule. I would see what kind of people have graduated Woz U and what they are doing
What happened after the boot camp?
Thanks a lot for your detailed knowledge, I m acknowledge by your information, thanks a lot again ❤️❤️
Hi Ryan Crandall, Thank you for explaining everything crystal clear.
Just turned in my resume for a big orange store yesterday. I'm nervous so I'm watching all I can LOL
Thanks bro, this video is very helpful for me to make a choice for my degree!💻
I appreciate the advice Ryan the recruiter. Cybersecurity it is!
The thing I wanted the mosttttt.thank youuuu
Well said. As a dentist, I agree with this message
That's awesome 👌 thanks for such an informative video😊
Your answer really make sense and to the point to me. All the elaboration really resonate with my thinking as well. Really help me to clarify some decisions i am making.🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thanks, man. Your info rings true. Thanks for the info!
not sure about the pros for a cybersecurity degree. the demand for cybersecurity professionals is specifically for those with a lot of experience like senior professionals, not juniors with bachelors, because it's just the nature of the job. lots of companies don't want some script kiddie being entrusted with their security (exaggeration but...) and there's a lack of job opportunities for juniors.
I think you misspoke at end. No biggie. Believe you meant bachelors in Cyber Security with coding on side. Points well taken. Thank you.
One of the best videos out here !! 💪🏾💪🏾
Awesome Thanks!
Would you recommend getting a 2 year certificate or associates degree
Here cyber is in the computer science. Here in belgium first year is a general year. Then for your 2-3th year you gotta pick a certain direction you wanna go. Programming, cyber, business, ...
This was extremely helpful!!!
Computer Science all the way! Just pick up the certs you need what ever field you want to specialize in.
Thank you Ryan this helped a lot (:
Im going to go to a CC with a cybersecurity program, started learning coding already. I definitely want to transfer to a 4 year college afterwards
One of the coming trends is that for programmers to have admin level access to corporate computers they must have a Cyber Security certification. The certification is a breeze for those that understand computers at a technical level the way software engineers do. Get the engineering degree and the rest is a piece of cake.
Very informative, thanks dude!
Glad it was helpful!
Makes sense thank you for this!
great video!!!
Great video I’m really interested in cyber security so I can take care of my family
Thanks man this vid cleared a lot up for me.
thank you!!! this is the video i was looking for!, i was debating between CS and Security, but didnt know whch one to learn first, i had heard that it was a good idea to become a computer scientist first (because of the knowledge you get on computers since you learn how they work form the inside out) and then learn about cyber security but i guess is not such a bad idea to go straight into cyber security? and then if im really interested i guess go for CS or something else? thank you so so much!!!
Happy to help buddy!
Want to clarify a point with a Masters in Comp Sci, not sure how it isn't worth it, all of the professionals I have talked to through the national labs have said otherwise. Maybe it is different in the private sector but I wouldn't think it'd be.
Thanks for the info. Cheers!
Any time!
Younger and less sure about career? Get a degree in computer science. Further into career and sure you want to be in infosec? Go with the cyber degree. After a number of years experience it will not matter.
Boot camp and unbranded carts are like cheap attendance awards and will do little to help you get a job. .
Thank you this was helpful.
And thank you very much for this talk
You are very welcome!
Bro thanks for your advice🥂😁🥂
The college I’m looking to transfer has the option to do cyber security with a minor in computer science I think I might want to do that
Currently about to get my AS for CS. Just started getting a bigger interest in cyber. Worried i wasted two years of schooling now
It's never a waste, and there's always time to pivot :)
Enjoyed the video. Unfortunetly I was very unwell with covid back in Jan 2021 and still recovering now a year later. I maybe loosing my job down to capability/I'll health. Being unwell can open your eyes to try something new that I may not off before falling ill because you just get 'comfortable' in your job. I've been advised I can take free courses to learn new skills or better your skills and I'm thinking of computering route. You also gain a qualification and certificate at the end. Cyber security or coding is interesting me. I currently have no qualifications or haven't studied these before but I'm interested. At the age of 32 am I to late?
Taking some courses and studying appeals to me and would feel a good use of my time whilst recovering.
Would be interested in your thoughts.
I've also just subscribed 😀 👍
Never too late, just start your journey and it'll be alright. You probably already started it by now so, good luck
I am almost 50 and I am in school now for a Bachelors in Cybersecurity. With my background as a 30 year Paramedic and Volunteer Firefighter and 20 years as a police officer then throw in the past 6 years as a death investigator I have wondered if it was the right decision
Just came across this video and it cleread my mind. Am 41 years and starting my BSc.Cyber Security in 2 days. I hope to make it to Master's
Or if you know people, that’s your key into getting a coding or cybersecurity job. It’s very challenging due to these fields being saturated
Thank you for the insights! Very helpful! Do you recommend CCNA or Network+ along with the degree in cyber security? Thanks!
you can do a roadmap, first take the ccna (its a better option than taking the Network+), then take the linux+ in order to get a good understandind of how it works, and then the security+. Before the security+ you have to choose other certifications according to what you are going to specialize.
@@gustavoortizvasquez6442 Awesome! Thank you!
Great content mate✨
Thank you 🙌
As someone in IT I see both worlds am going to Go back and get a bachelor's degree and its gonna be Computer science or Computer networking and not Cyber security.
And this is because at work(fortune 500) it feels like the Networking People are so much more needed Because they tend to double as security as well forex ample with doing things like building a vpn Tunnel and configuring a firewall.
whereas cyber security it feels like Tools are incorporating good security components and forcing good security practices unto the users which means that the Cyber security Hype will die down than go up.
And with COMP sci you get to create the Tools that all the other IT fields use
so I would rank them like this and you can always learn all to be honest.
1 Networking
2 computer science
3 cyber security
One thing you said that I want to emphasize is do what you like to do! I'm going to college online, so this especially applies to me. I tried cybersecurity and didn't like it (even though I have sec+ for my job). I switched to computer science because I know coding is what I love to do.
You said BS in cybersec and then learn to code on the side. What about BS in CS and study cybersec on the side for certs (Sec+, CISSP etc). What are your thoughts on that? I am in gov contracting and they love those certs.
BS in CS is also a very good option. It is more generalized and that's beneficial to a lot of jobs for new grads. Contrary to some beliefs, jobs aren't looking for people that can already do X things. They are looking for people who are quick to learn and will have a short period of time between acquiring role-specific tasks and executing those tasks well. Especially in the tech sector they are also looking for people who can think "how can we automate this or make this simpler?" which isn't something you can really just teach in school.
School is good for building foundational understandings to make it easier to navigate through and reason a problem. So having something that showcases "I know how to interpret software, modify software, or create custom software solutions (e.g. scripts)" will be very sought after. As for certifications, if government contractors like that and that's your sphere of work, then go for it.
I am not very tech-wise or have any experience with coding. I find cybersecurity interesting because I like to understand the vulnerability of the tech world. For right now I'm starting my major with computer science but I find it quite challenging. Should I switch my major to cybersecurity, or should I find a more easier path?
I want to get into cybersecurity field but should I go for bachelors in cybersecurity or computer science? and then obviously masters in cybersecurity.
It depends on your goals, I suppose.
My end goal is to run my own cyber security based company so I'll focus on a dual degree in economics and computer science but still apply for software engineering and computer science (gen). Since, the university I plan to do my Master's in requires a, "Bachelor’s degree or equivalent in Computer Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Software Engineering, or Computer Science." then it doesn't matter if I take a bachelor in such.
With that said, I might end up taking for my dad's business so it's also something I can fall back on.
So, what are your goals? What do you're universities offer for an undergrad and what are requirements for a Master's?
Anyways, take my opinion with a grain of salt, I am not a professional (lol).
Thanks for the video! My bachelors has nothing to do with computer science…is getting a masters of computer science something that’s achievable? I’ve really interested but it’s seems kinda intimidating
Thank you so much!
If I get a MS in Data Science and get a Cybersecurity certificate, how likely would I be able to land a job in Cybersecurity? I'm not particularly good at coding (like, the complicated coding). I'm already admitted to the program so it's kind of too late to back out now. Wish I have known about Cybersecurity degree sooner
Guys what best ??
Computer science then master Cyber security .
Or
Cyber security then master Cyber security.
What is your choice??
And what you think petter?
I’m a current college student Pursuing a cybersecurity degree thanks!
May i ask what college you attend?
What about a BSc in Computer Science and then doing MSc in Information Security?
Great video!!! I’m back in school taking classes for my masters of computer science. My bachelors was in economics. I'm trying to decide on if I should do a concentration in big data management or cybersecurity. What do you think is the better choice? Income and job market differences between these two? Btw, I like your heels
You economics background will help you later in life when you have money to invest. Cybersecurity is a management field. To initially build your initial nest egg you need a technical field. Engineering is where it starts.
What are your thoughts on WGU? I’m specifically interested in their Cybersecurity bachelor’s degree. It comes with 14 certifications and the tuition is significantly cheaper than B&M schools. I’m just a bit hesitant as I would be going in as a complete beginner. I’m a few years out of high school and work in a non related field.
in the exact same boat as you, i was hesitant but i think im gonna go for it
Hi Ryan
Great content, I really admire you.
Do you recomment doing a bachelors degree in cyber security and then to go for the masters ? Or it is better to do a comp sc. bachelors and than the cyber sec. masters ??
Hi Tamas, I appreciate it!
I recommend doing a Bachelors Degree in Cyber Security at the minimum. I think I'll make a video explaining my view though on the masters, etc.
Hello!
I am also interested is cybersec and am starting my bachelor's this year,
Can you name some good colleges for Cybersec masters.
Fantastic
I've recently decided to go back to school for a career change to cybersecurity. I was wondering if you think it matters which school someone goes to. For example, if I got a degree from VT or Syracuse vs a St Bonaventure or Kennesaw State. The biggest difference I see (besides name recognition) is the length of the classes (7 weeks vs full semester). I was curious what your thoughts are since you're a hiring manager.
From my experience in the real world. Where you chose to go to college doesn’t really matter. All that matters is that you finish and get that degree. So it’s best to find the cheapest college for the program your wanting to take, because you don’t want to borrow more in student loans then you’ll be making your first years on the job.
The only thing that matters is that your school is accredited and likely to remain that way. I would not go to one that doesn't offer an engineering path also. When the internet was originally developed physical security was assumed and just getting things to work was the main objective. No thought was placed on security as it was developed to be completely private for engineers to use only. Once the engineers get the bugs worked out of the internet protocols there will be much less need for cybersecurity. Get an engineering degree if you are planning long term.
Hello Ryan. I have no experience in Cyber but believe it be the way forward with regards to warfare. I'm looking into studying a MS in Cybersecurity. The particular program's track is in Policy, however. Is this still a good option with good benefits?
What about the boot camp at Georgia Tech? It’s ranked top 8 boot camps because of the one on one training and community environment that you get after completing the boot camp?
those heels are killer btw
I know this is 11months old. Praying you see this. I am currently working on both MIS and Cybersecurity degree. Along with a coding bootcamp (hopefully soon) I'm curious have I potentially messed up by not going CS?
Excellent sir
Hi! Thank you for this great information. I am currently doing BS in computer technology. But I am thinking about changing it to either Data science or Cybersecurity!! What would you prefer, if it was for you? Thank you again
Oooh that's a good questions. Both are going to do well, so I would start taking maybe both classes and see which one you naturally gravitate towards
that was a really helpfull vid.
Glad to hear that!
I am a writer I love it. But I worked in cyber fraud. I need to finish my degree just in case my family needs me to work. I’m thinking of cyber security BA.
Makes sense
Hey Ryan Im gonna finish my bachelors in computer science next year, and i plan on doing masters in cyber security after that. Not sure if its the right decision, stuck between USA,CANADA and AUSTRALIA. Drop a recommendation of the country and the uni's if possible. Cheers🍺
Hi pro am from somalia am in first year in university am want to learn a networking and cybersecurity after that .plz tell me my decision is right or wrong 🙏
i appreciate this information really helped me.Thinking of signing on to University of Central Florida for Cyber Security and wonder as a recruiter how would that do?
I'm 42 years old and am a successful aircraft maintanence technician. I currently make a little over 100k a year. I have no degree only a certificate through the FAA which I learned to get in 18 months. Cyber security intrigues me. Would it be worth it for me to go into cyber security? Since I'm making over 100k right now?
Did you mean to say to major in Cyber Security with coding on the side @ 7:00?
Current cybersecurity major Class of ‘23
Awesome buddy!
Hey thank you for the educational video, ive got 1 year left from graduation of computer science bachelor and ive been thinking about getting into cyber security masters since im passionate about it, would you say its worth taking masters for cyber security or do i just take another route? What would you prefer ive been considering for awhile but i need a non bias answer. Thank you again
It's worth a Masters in Cyber Security, but I would recommend trying to find work beforehand and have a cyber security side gig/job/internship while doing it
Thank you for the insightful video. I was planning on going for a bachelors in CS and then Masters in cybersecurity. My reasoning is that I will transfer into my cybersecurity team at my current company and have been told the skills you get from a CS degree will set me up for a greater technical understanding and I can gain my experience from cyber on the job.
Any thoughts??
Hey Ryan,
I love cyber security, I've never work in the field sadly but I would like to transition to it. From many moons I've been a fan of CTFs and I am doing medium to hard boxes in different free platforms. Using kali as my main OS. I know I should transform this passion as my main job but here's where I need input from guys like you.
What would you do in your shoes.
Also sending my resume over for tweaks. Thank you kindly.
How are my chances with just a BA in criminal justice? I’m currently learning code on the side. I wouldnt mind going back to college but that would be a financial hit. The other option is bootcamp which could boost my shot if I do well. I just don’t want to waste my degree and start over..
I have a BS in Cybersecurity. I'm about to finish my Masters in the same. I've been watching a lot of videos, reading a lot of articles, and talking to IT personnel who have been bashing getting a degree. They all talk about certifications/certifications/certifications. It's been very discouraging. What are your thoughts?
I'd be interested in an answer to this too!
Sir is it good to do bs in cyber security then master in cyber security or bachelor is enough?
@@syedfaheemulhassan6521 Honestly, If you want to be a manager or CISO, then yes. Get those degrees and a CISSP.
If you want to do anything like ethical hacking, incident repaonse, or auditing then I would recommend getting a bachelor's in computer science and minor in Cybersecurity (with cyber certs while also learning html, Java, or python).
Or skip masters degree and get 2 bachelor's degrees: cyber and computer science.
I am behind the curve learning how to code two yrs after graduation.
what if I take bachelor in computer science and continue master in cyber security ?