@@ContractHacker Do you think getting a Cyber Security Specialist certificate is good? My college offers it. I was thinking of getting into IT work 1st and get more experience with computers. I wasn't exposed to computers until I was reaching my junior to senior year of high school.
@@ContractHacker Hi. Can you make a video for obtaining certificates for one year? And what are the qualifications to enroll on a certification class? Like, does it require a Bachelors Degree? Or I can enroll directly to certification classes? I am really interested about cyber security and someday I want to be a cyber security engineer. I don’t know where to start. There’s a course in our country (Philippines) where they offer BS in Cyber Security for four years, but I was confused when you started talking about the one year certification. Can you tell me or us more about the certifications and how to obtain one? And qualifications as well. Thank you.
Boiled down, certifications give a measure of how well you know how the sausage is made at the powershell, config t, or sudo level. A bachelors gives you some insight into the management of the resources under your purview. A master's gives you a much broader scope of how IT fits into the success of the business overall, specifically the value of IT as a profit center and revenue generator, maybe even a leader in their critical infrastructure sector. It is the transition from the IT get it done folks to senior management and articulating the justification for IT budgets for the resources to have the super-smart IT folks, software, etc
Your camera is so good and the fact you look straight into the camera without blinking.... several times I’m thinking if I’m watching an AI or human talk 😂
My counselor uses this saying when describing Cyber Security degrees. "Your knowledge will be a mile long but only an inch deep." You tend to learn about a lot of things but you aren't exactly proficient at any of those things. So I would agree that once you find the direction you want to go that you start working on certifications.
Hi, I am just starting to do my research about cyber security and I agree with you. I would like to start on obtaining certifications. However, I would like to know how? and if that requires me to have a bachelor's degree if I am going to pursue one year of certification? Any insights or ideas will be highly appreciated. Thank you.
@@ej-ns3ve i am in the same boat as you,trying to find an online associates degree for cyber security but i also hear alot about certificates etc,i get a bit confused and dont know where to start in the IT field,i am really interested in cyber security and i heard system adminstrator is also a good path to take.
@@SolidGeddoe if you would like, we can join forces together to figure it out. I am really into cyber security field. Maybe we can help each other figure it out. Two minds are better than one. 😀 Please let me know if you’re interested.
@@ej-ns3ve Not sure what state youre in but i was looking around online and a counselor in california told me about a college called Rio Hondo college,he said theres alot of programs and associates degree in IT cyber security that can be completed online,i might enroll into that college.
Congrats on the degree! Majoring for a BS in Cybersecurity, too. Yes, the benefits of college is the networking and learning the fundamentals that will help me on my certifications. Cheers!
@@ankitbasnet837 idk about other counteries, but it's probably the same. In poland you need maths, because this is basically the subject they teach for first year, you probably need a really basic science knowledge
College route point #3 is where I’m slacking with self study route. Starting from scratch learning the sections to build a study book, but networking is key. PBS Crash Course - Computer Science & intellectual property are awesome with great visuals to learn basics. Ted talk is great to pick up lingo and new Key Words as well as a personable responses. (Great picture and audio quality, Video point structure 💯 straight to the points👍🏼)
@@omairtech6711 You are missing the right literature. If you need help with anything you cant just ask a prof or phd. You have no other students you can work with. I mean if I would mention all reasons I could write an acedemic work about it because the list is so long
Self studying is a skill, for real. Some people need deadlines and a "higher authority" to continue chasing technical skills, similar to learning how to play instruments.
Great video. I am currently in a college with a 4.0 GPA, just got my Security +, still planning to attain my Network + and A+ as a personal goal. The Cert I will attain after these is the CCNA and onward to the OSCP. I personally think the more knowledgeable to networking you become the easier Cybersecurity becomes as identifying what is typical and non typical activity traversing a network becomes more second nature. I know this is not the only aspect however, I felt it is a position that will provide some of the most useful experience fresh out of college going into a cyber security role.
@@elchinmammadov624 The security+ is higher in the tier system of CompTIA, however many employers view the credentials differently. A+ shows competency in Hardware & Software, Security + shows competency regarding basic security concepts such as the CIA Triad, or the Encryption Algorithms. If you were to be an employer looking for someone to maintain servers etc. you would most likely desire an A+ over a Security+. If you are an organization maintaining data for companies through cloud services, you would be more likely to want someone with Security+ and either Net+/A. The government is big regarding the Security + as it is attached as a requirement for clearance jobs.
@@darnellg8599 your getting the certs while attending school? I start my cybersecurity degree in sept as a junior. Should I try and bang out these certs after a few semesters?
@@TeShady I have tackled 3 certifications now. I got my CompTIA Network +, CompTIA Security +, and my CCNA. My security plus got me a contract job working for the government making good money. I would highly recommend you studying for a certification while in school. Remember though, each cert correlates to different roles in IT. Make sure to stack certs wisely. I would recommend personally starting at Security + as it is the cert that leads to work most immediately of the entry level certifications with CompTIA.
Just take the easiest Computer Science related degree you can get and focus on doing CTF's. Even more interesting is to focus on AI because AI based anomoly detection is the future of blue team
I have been in the cyber security for almost 15 years , You can absolutely get into the field without a degree in cyber security but make sure you get a degree. A computer science degree with security certifications will get you into the career a couple years After you start. The one thing that most people don’t tell you is without a degree, they will pay you dramatically less than a person who has a degree even if you are better then them. The knowledge can be the same no matter if you go the certification route but the money will not
It is also very hard to get a cyber security job out of college Unless you get a job at a big company and even when I land in my first job, it took me 2 to 3 years to get into the cyber security field, even with a masters degree in cyber security
@@1jmorrison I think it depends, you can easily get a job as a SOC analyst if you work at a big company of gov org they will Prob pay some certs for you
I believe cyber security employers would want candidates to have a degree in the near future. The same thing happened with the programming job title. Back then you could have gotten a job just with certificates and proof of knowledge. Now it's very difficult to get into programming without a computer science degree.
Hey Colin, I really love your knowledge on the industry. I chose to go back to college and work on my Associate Degree in Cybersecurity while obtaining my certifications as well. That my University offers to Cybersecurity students to take and pass. Then do some internship closer to my graduation date. After I graduate I was planning on working in the industry. Then go back to school to get my Bachelor's degree a few months after I graduate. The reason for that being is I want to work for the government and I have to have a 4 year degree. Also I feel like with my Associate degree and certifications I will get paid more starting off at entry level.
Good choice this is what I did, Paid nothing for my associates and got a job, and went back to get my bachelor's while having already certifications and getting the job experience. Finished and was able to get many job offers.
@@jeffersoncruz59 I’m trying to find resources on like videos on whether the CC route is worth it. Besides it being less expensive, I want to make sure its a good choice. Just fyi I don’t really have much of a background in IT.
I love how he talked about the pros and cons first and then related it to his own experience. Most people will just tell us what they go through and not explain both ends of the spectrum.
How come you think you will regret it ? I thought with computer science / cyber security etc and those degrees in the IT field you can make a lot financially ?
Absolutely great I am software engineer. I taught myself two years ago. Right now, I teaching cyber security for fun beside my full time job as software engineer Thanks Your video is amazing
I really like this channel! Small Tips: 1- Add a master volume control, so that your voice's volume will be consistent for the whole video. 2- Make the video transitions bit smoother. its a little bit of work but once you get it it will be fast easy after a couple of videos. Good luck buddy! Keep up the good work!
You don't wanna do Comp Sci. It has a lot of math. It is very stressful. You learn how computers work inside and out, problem-solving, programming. I was lowkey depressed for that 1 year. Unless you don't mind the challenges of math and other theory-based classes. That's why I switched back to CyberSecurity.
@@amalcandraw depends on the schools program that you attend but Cybersecurity majors doesn’t require high levels of math like computer science majors do
I went to psu for security and risk analysis, dropped out because I was completely failing info science and technology...I was drinking a lot. Definitely didn’t help. That was 7 years ago. I’m 31 years old now, ready to go back and major in cyber security. I don’t feel confident but I no longer party. Married with 3 kids now
you got this man, I used to drink a ton and I'm currently an electrician. But I haven't drank in almost two years now and want to pursue a different career. And cyber security looks to be it, good luck on your future!
I'm a computer science student with an interest in Cyber Security. I think what I'm going to do is to put security in practice with my current software dev activities. Example I do django apps and I should practice defensive programming. This is the only path i know in my case.
At 18 you are probably not mature enough to be trusted with cyber security. Even at 19. In college you learn to be an adult which includes working with others who ARE NOT in any computer science field. Also, having exposure to things like art, music, theater, literature and other humanities helps you be a more well rounded person. I've worked my whole life in computers but my college degree was not in science. I am NEVER bored, and I'm an active member of my community. Yes, I've taken computer courses at my local community college (including security ones) but my art history classes make going to Museums and Galleries more fun.
I really want to do a day in the life style.. Unfortunately I have to respect the privacy of my employer and our clients. I still do want to share some basic information of what I do as a consultant on a daily basis, but I will need to find a better way to present that info while respecting my employer.
You would not have had this opportunity at all if you hadn’t went to pen state to begin with. Especially since penstate actually makes sure that students have an internship before they graduate. Career fairs at penstate are really good as well, a lot of fortune 100 representatives usually go there. If you actually look at the stats of EY employees, you’ll notice that quite a lot of them are penstate grads.
Hey Aman, thanks for your comment. I am well aware of Penn State's reputation and that is a major factor why I chose to go there! As I said in the video, I'm very thankful I graduated from there. I do agree that this opens a lot of doors but I would have to disagree that I would not have had the opportunity at all if I hadn't went there. I am a firm believer that if you work hard enough no doors are closed. That said, it is absolutely a more difficult route. I don't want to come across as if I am saying that I "didn't need college" or anything like that. In this video I was attempting to present both sides and basically tell people that college isn't the only option.
there's also cybersecurity boot programs that have a duration of 1 year or less were you meet various professors and get to gain connections with people in the field for a fraction of the price and time as compared to getting a bachelors degree in the field
@UA-cam Deleted my Other Account for Mean Comments yeah I've already said that. And bit scared from your name for my comment :/ (See it in all reply comments of that comment)
After watching these types of videos I have come to the conclusion that I will be doing both. I understand that I am not a self study person I need the traditional school route. I prefer to go to college and get my certifications on the side.
That's what I am doing. My college offers certs prep classes too. It is towards the end of my degree but they are only two credit classes. I think I have the choice to choose between two of them. I am thinking security + and one more. Security + was based on recommendation.
You have to do your own due diligence. Research, research, research. Talk to pros who are in the field you want to be a part of. Get the real dirt. Then make your own decision. And own it.
Hey Colin, this video gives me a good insight of what's better for me. I've always wanted to be a Cyber Security Expert/ a Penetration Tester and and wanted to pursue CybSec degree in a University. I had a short amount of time deciding which Uni I should attend, and I chose Arizona State University Computer Science (Cyber Security) Degree Program. I've tried discovering lots of universities, but I had a hard time choosing one that focuses more in Cyber Security, rather than Computer Science. Long story short, I chose the ASU's Comp Sci (CyberSec), and I'm now struggling with a lot of Math and Comp Sci lessons that I don't think necessary. Yes, I know that Cyber Security also needs programming, but I feel like this degree is 90% on Computer Science, and as I read the road map, I've realized that I will get the Cyber Sec Part at the end of the program, they don't even specify what classes are on it, I'm starting to think that this is a course regarding creating a secure environment with programming, rather than penetration testing. I'm kind struggling a lot, because they teach a lot of programming stuffs that I can't understand (Im currently at Java 2 -- GUI and OOP). I hope I can still get the job I want as a Penetration Tester.
Hi, I understand what you going through but trust me.... it’s all for the better. All that math and comp science BS will come in handy when you land a job. Just hang in there and thug it through !
I know for sure that location also matters, for instance the DMV (DC Maryland Virginia), an area that has tons of tech, cyber, federal companies. Trying to break into the security world in this area without a degree is pretty challenging because of the competition.
Thank you so much for the information. I'm considering taking a master's degree in this field, it's just 1 year so I think there is not much loss (except maybe money).
I really appreciate this video and the time you gave to make it. I’m thinking for my children who are getting a computer engineering degree to get a certificate to go with it. Our UNiversity offers it but our community college offers stuff super cheap
Just in general glad you mentioned it, general education courses are so dumb and a huge time waster , it’s just a way for them to pump out more money out of you , like honestly without gen electives that’s like a good 1.5 + years shaved off whatever course you are taking or more if you didn’t get the credit . Only a select view doe make sense but still has nothing to do with what your taking🤦🏽♂️🙄
Going to college for a 4 years degree on IT is a waste of time and money, it’s easier to go for certificates so you’ll learn specific skills that you need, abs not filler classes that college ask you to take you to get your money. Cybersecurity is a hot field right now and you’ll get a job super easy.
Third option, a lot of people miss Its the 2 year associates degrees at community colleges. Its a mix of the 2 you mentioned. Community college associates IT degrees (There is some I've seen that are like systems administrator+ cyber security etc community colleges usually have multiple IT degree paths including ones that transfer over to university level IT degee) are honestly probably the best way to get into IT, bachelors is I'd say the second best, self study certs isn't a good way to go anymore... maybe 5-10 years ago it was, but it's not now. Community college, many of those IT degrees there will set you up with the ability to get 6-8 certs in the 2 years you'll be there, ntm in your final year a lot of them have a co-op/internship class that will count as like 3 credits plus you get paid and work experience before you graduate 2 birds with one stone, where they literally set you up with an internship, make sure the community college has one of those classes if it doesn't, meh. So 2 year community college, 6-8 certs, final year Co-op/internship...its a great way to get into the industry imo. I'm gonna be honest, i don't think IT at the bachelor's level is worth it for most people, if you are gonna go technology bachelor's degree, I'd say CS, EE, or Computer Engineering. I really don't see IT, cyber security, information technology, Computer information systems, degrees at the bachelor's of level are worth as much as CS, CPE, or EE.
I really like your stand, very neutral. It may come out as rude but for some reason you start explaining something and in the middle you start adding points to your speech with a different tone so my attention goes there. But please don't take it as plain insult, I really liked your video. Cheers!
Could have used a breakdown of the WGU method and comparing it to a traditional university program. With WGU you can get the certs while you work entry level, then transfer them in as credit toward your degree. You might get your BA cyber in a year depending on what you transfer in, and for less than 10k.
Great video. The idea of the video is awesome. Only complaint, which was a deal breaker for me, is the audio quality. When there is a pause in speech the next sentence starts out screaming at me, and for this reason, I could only watch half the video. I would try more of your content but it's scary how loud it gets lol
I am embarking into Cybersecurity after 15 years of owning my own business. I’m in an Introduction to Cybersecurity course at NC State University which leads into a full 10 month program. As an older person I appreciate your take on degree vs. no degree. I hear it’s possible to make it in this industry with a good solid foundation of knowledge and a couple important certifications. Thanks for putting out these You Tube videos. I’ve enjoyed following you.
@@AmaraSoGolden Hi Thanks for asking. I loved the introductory course! Now I am trying to coordinate my schedule so I can have plenty of time to focus on the full program (10 months). I am also researching what position really appeals to me, so I can start working towards it, rather than trying to do it all and not have a focus. Where are you in this Cybersecurity industry?
@Janice Williams thanks for replying. I’m actually looking at the same 10 month program at NC. I have to previous I.T experience so I’m looking to take the December intro course. Do you know anyone who went the boot camp route and found a job. I don’t see many people speak about that.
@@AmaraSoGolden oh I am so excited for you. You will do great since you have IT experience. I too asked that question of who got work after the program and they only sited the same example in the literature about one man who had absolutely no experience but after hard work through the program now works as head of the department in a medical institution (not sure if it’s a hospital or not) I would be very curious what they tell you when you ask that question. Let me know.
@Janice Williams right cause that’s the deciding factor for me. But I just spoke to admission like a minute ago and registered for it. I hope I gain a lot from it.
I'm prior military and work for an IT company in their Cyber Security dept. Cyber Security is such a broad field. The more I look it seems like a lot of people are trying to switch careers and work in Cyber because of the nice salaries. I get it and understand but I would advise people to follow their real interests because Cyber isn't necessarily fast paced and exciting all the time. The other thing to note, to me it isn't all that important to rush out and get a Cyber Security degree. In my department we've had web developers, coders, database experts. A large number of people in my dept don't have college degrees, and if they have a degree it isn't Cyber or even IT related (But they do have experience in the field). Degrees are more necessary for government jobs but not necessarily for contracting jobs with private sector companies. Even with government jobs I think more importance is placed on showing the completion of higher level education than the actual major. We have the requirement to have particular certifications due to supporting certain contracts. Their is a manager in my company who has about 5 managers under him. His degrees are not even IT related and some of the managers under him have no degree at all.
Are you familiar with the Vet Tec Program through the VA for disabled veterans? I hate not working full time as a DV and really want to get into something that I can do physically. I was military intelligence in the Army and held a TSsci clearance. You think it would be worth taking their courses through Intellectual Point. I can't seem to find any info on the program other than their own propaganda.
Hey Colin ! I’m really deciding on doing cyber security or computer science as a whole but feel more interested in cyber security ! Any thoughts on this path ? I don’t mind doing cyber security As a job ! Just curious with job opportunities within have a computer science degree
Hey Kevin, when deciding between comp sci and cyber security I would say the biggest factor is the maturity and reputation of the cyber security program you are looking at. If it is a very reputable cyber security program that will go a long way! I would just advise you to understand the security program at the school before committing to it. I have a in-depth blog post comparing the two degrees! cybercareerschool.com/cyber-security-vs-computer-science-degree/ Many schools have a "cyber security program" but it will really just be a mix between multiple degree programs within their Information Technology College. If you are really into the technical aspects of the field you cannot go wrong with a comp sci degree, this will open many doors for you and allow you to learn harder cyber security concepts later on. If you are considering this route I must advise you that this will be much more work, you need to make sure that you are getting involved with security projects and clubs on the side. Hopefully this helps! It's a very hard choice between the two but it really comes down to your specific interests and path!
I am taking 3rd year diploma from college in Business Information System. My focus is on Info Sec, so I am gonna approach the non-traditional way. Hope I can get there soon.
@@KingKongHitDaBong It's BSc comes under computer science degree. As I am studying it part time, it looks like you work with both programming and business mixed. So it's helpful.
I agree with the uselessness of Geology and such in degrees. Each state has a board that tries to decide what will make us all "well-rounded" after we graduate. My solution is to look into Associate degrees. You learn the nuts and bolts of a degree subject without all the fluff classes. You are in and out with a degree, which is more useful without the 3rd- and 4th-year management classes. If you want to be a manager, then transfer that degree to a 4-year program.
Edited: your route that you choose has everything to do with your situation before you go in: experience and current resources (mentally and financially)
Interesting take, definitely found this video to be helpful. Recently, through my community college I was accepted into an IT apprenticeship at a bank. It includes free tuition for the rest of my associates degree. There's the promise of a job offer after the completion of the apprenticeship and I am considering going for my bachelors. The time commitment is huge. I've seen a lot of IT people complete their degrees mid career....just to check that box. That's I might do. Cool video, thanks!
Thanks for the video, great info. I never finished college & am considering getting a degree on this major. However, I am considering going the certificate route. Can you maybe do a video or provide a list of certifications you’d recommend to get done?
I would recommend starting with the network+ and the security+. These will establish a strong foundation and will set you up for more advanced certifications later on. After those two you will need to consider what career path you want so you can choose the most specific cert for that area. I have a whole area devoted to certifications on my blog! I recently just wrote a guide on the 7 best beginner certifications that you will find helpful! cybercareerschool.com/category/blogs/certifications/
Well as a Finn, the education is free.. So the cost is only if I need to apply study leave from work. And in Finland you can get at least 2 years of study leave in every 5 years time. I'm now studying Bachelor's degree and working 60% of the time.
more than 90 percent of employers looking for people who hold a bachelor degree in the relevant field. Especially in the UK. now I do not know the situ in the US but I reckon a bachelors degree open up much more opp.
you can get these interns just by going to job fairs at your local university for free. In college they teach to the book, not the problem. You can also buy the same txt books they use at Harvard, not to mention you can watch the lectures for free in fact you can go to the 400lv courses in college without being enrolled to sit in and learn. You just won’t get a piece of paper but you’ll save 3 years of your life not learning anything. There’s a reason they don’t teach you about money and why corporations “train” you regardless if you have a degree. That should tell you how valuable it is
I have a bachelors in business and I’m enrolled in a cyber security bachelors program as a transfer student. They’re letting me apply all my gen ed credits from my first degree so I only have to take the degree specific courses. This will allow me to get a second bachelors in Cybersecurity in only about 3 semesters. I’d recommend this to anyone with a completed undergrad.
Thanks for the video. The degree I am perusing right now is in Computer Information Systems. My school does offer a specific Cybersecurity degree, but the CIS degree here offers four concentrations, and Cybersecurity is one of them. I’m really considering on doing it.
I agree with you. It all comes down the recruiter and hope to whatever God you believe in that they're at least a "technical" recruiter. I'm luckier than most. Military paid for my a+ so I knew a little bit. I paid for my sec+. Fell off from studying CYSA+ since the start of the virus. I wish I did go to college because its my strict and I think I learn better because I'm steered that way. Self study can be overwhelming/underwelming. Definitely highs, lows, and even purgatory lol. Mistakes? Nothing against the military but I probably should have went to a university after CC and finish my degree THEN went into the military or see how engineering life was. Never know maybe I would have went into IT. Gov't/contractors LOVE bachelor degrees which is my only gripe. Not going to even get started on experience. It's still hard for both parties who have either degrees or certification to get hired. I REFUSE to work as a help desk due to the other qualifications I have. If anything SYSADMIN then slowly make the move to cyber. Even thought about going into programming. I have a couple months before I have to sweat for a IT job.
Kenyatta, thanks so much for your response. I totally agree on the technical recruiter part too. A good interviewer can really set you up well to display your expertise!
Would you recommend majoring in a computer science degree or cyber security degree? I don’t want to be limited to only Cyber security with the degree but at the same time it’s also the career I’m most interested in?
Thoughts on the military route? Currently I'm getting a certificate from a bootcamp backed by my local uni (UCF), and after that I'm planning on going full time 4 years in the military, specifically for cyber security. Is this a viable option to get 4 years of industry experience, and how would it look on my job resume?
hell yes do it, because realistically no company is going to hire you just based off of you having certificates/ a bachelor's. If you go in and serve for four years while applying your knowledge in cybersecurity, your chances of getting hired by a reputable company increase tremendously. You must go through background checks and such to work for these companies, they have to trust you, military will look excellent on your resume, wishing you luck
@hawks2025 My plan as of right now is: during winter break, learn as much as I can about network, security, and how to ethically hack and code on Python. Then go to the Air Force recruiter, take the ASVAB and score high enough for Cyber Security (around that field). Then, hope that I get the job. Were about to go to war with China, pretty sure the military would like more bodies in cyber security.
As a older male (27) looking to make a career change from Automotive I have no idea where to start. I know for a fact that I will fall off with self study so I’m currently trying to get into a 4 year program. If that doesn’t work I’ll just take the community college route. Whatever it takes truly
I'm basically where you at right now(27 years old female) , except the fact that I dropped out of pharmacy school after spending years pursuing the education. I'm looking into piling certification and doing bootcamps . going back to school is just out of the question for me as I have spent my whole life in school. its tricky.
@@ikramelmi4127 boot Camp is another headache and wasting time and money. In my opinion it’s good idea to get accredited degrees either from college or university. Thanks sister in Islam
That time investment (in my opinion) is bullshit. You finish high school at 18-19 boom 4 years + 2 for masters and ur 25 yo getting a 100k $ a year (and ur a cool hacking guy)
Hey Colin I got a question im just starting out I love your video this really was eye opening and helped me walk away with a good perspective. Would you recommend getting a computer science degree with a concentration in cybersecurity? Im a father of two and im restarting my life and my education in a manner of speaking. I want to go into this industry the right way. But I dont know how or where to start off. Im gonna go to school but I want to make sure I don't waist my own time in the process.
Coming from hvac and construction, covid lung got me so I'm looking for a career that doesn't have as much wear and tear on my body, I Love hvac but cybersecurity seems to be calling my name, service and repairs while learning this will be interesting
Hi Colin, thanks for this insightful video. Could I get your perspective on doing a Masters in Cyber Security? I studied an unrelated degree (accountancy) and am thinking of spending 2 years to do part-time masters (not as long as a bachelor's). I am already in the cyber security industry at the entry level. Would I be better off going for the certification route? Thanks in advance! Also, I'm thinking of doing either CRISC or CISM. Are you able to recommend which to do first?
Great vlog! Really helped me understand the importance of experience and skills over degree. I have recently taken up a CEH course at EC Council University out of passion and interest but now I am clueless on what course to take next to have a career in cyber security. Could you help me decode this? Thanks!
Currently going to school for information systems. Was thinking of continuing that while getting cyber security certs on the side. Do you think that is a decent way to go? I worry about limiting myself by just getting a cyber security degree.
I just finished a cyber security bachelor's degree thru an online course. To me and my parents, it was worth it, cause I was the first in my family to have a BA 🙂 I already knew way ahead of time that a BA in this field isn't necessary, since you need specific licenses, such as Security + and other more specific ones (one I want to really go for relating to Ethical Hacking) But due to military and the pandemic and other related stuff, doing both BA and certificated industry licenses, couldn't do both But it really is nice to have a BA and have the basic fundamental idea what is cyber security. For those who already have a BA...yeah, not worth the investment, but then again, another degree is still nice to have on a resume, but isnt required in this field 😅
Colin, if I already have a BS in National Security should I get a second Bachelors degree in Cyber or just get my certifications only at SANS institute? TIA!
You have a degree. That box is checked. Get your certs and make some money. Don't waste money on another degree. Alot of employers just want to see that you have one.
Shameless shill for my school Dakota State University - I liked it, and they teach you a lot. But if you’re unsure about the school you want to go to, you can look for schools with a CAE designation from the NSA. It’s a type of certification for the curriculum and maturity of the cyber security program being taught.
Self Study here from genesis transitioned through various roles eventually into Info Sec (Enjoyed the journey, still have plenty to learn. easily spend a life time continuing to learn),... still went the college route so not having a degree doesn't preclude me from moving into leadership positions down the road.
I’m 39 and planning on doing an online school next year. The college I’m looking at has a BS in information technology with a minor in cyber security. They also have a BS in cyber security. I don’t know which route I should go with.
Information technology is a broader subject which cybersecurity is under. If I were you, I'll go with the former because it will let you be well grounded on a wider range of topics in the IT industry and will also prepare you for a wider range of opportunities.
Want more? Check out an educational blog I'm currently building over at cybercareerschool.com/blog/
thanks bro
Thanks for checking out the video!
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@@ContractHacker Do you think getting a Cyber Security Specialist certificate is good? My college offers it. I was thinking of getting into IT work 1st and get more experience with computers. I wasn't exposed to computers until I was reaching my junior to senior year of high school.
@@ContractHacker Hi. Can you make a video for obtaining certificates for one year? And what are the qualifications to enroll on a certification class? Like, does it require a Bachelors Degree? Or I can enroll directly to certification classes? I am really interested about cyber security and someday I want to be a cyber security engineer. I don’t know where to start. There’s a course in our country (Philippines) where they offer BS in Cyber Security for four years, but I was confused when you started talking about the one year certification. Can you tell me or us more about the certifications and how to obtain one? And qualifications as well.
Thank you.
Love how this guy doesnt give us a whole bunch of nonsense at the beginning THANK YOU
Curiously. Almost all videos I skip the first 4 minutes
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Gd I know what you mean as there's a lot of click baiters out there that just want your veiws
Boiled down, certifications give a measure of how well you know how the sausage is made at the powershell, config t, or sudo level. A bachelors gives you some insight into the management of the resources under your purview. A master's gives you a much broader scope of how IT fits into the success of the business overall, specifically the value of IT as a profit center and revenue generator, maybe even a leader in their critical infrastructure sector. It is the transition from the IT get it done folks to senior management and articulating the justification for IT budgets for the resources to have the super-smart IT folks, software, etc
Your camera is so good and the fact you look straight into the camera without blinking.... several times I’m thinking if I’m watching an AI or human talk 😂
Hahahaha
AI has really improved
Have you seen the ceo of Bitcoin speak in an interview? 😂😂
Most ethical hackers don't blink when they're talking 😂
Dude's head is moving but his eyes arent.. staring straight into my soul
As soon as I saw you didn't have an introduction slide with a jingle I liked the video.
My counselor uses this saying when describing Cyber Security degrees. "Your knowledge will be a mile long but only an inch deep." You tend to learn about a lot of things but you aren't exactly proficient at any of those things. So I would agree that once you find the direction you want to go that you start working on certifications.
Hi, I am just starting to do my research about cyber security and I agree with you. I would like to start on obtaining certifications. However, I would like to know how? and if that requires me to have a bachelor's degree if I am going to pursue one year of certification? Any insights or ideas will be highly appreciated. Thank you.
@@ej-ns3ve i am in the same boat as you,trying to find an online associates degree for cyber security but i also hear alot about certificates etc,i get a bit confused and dont know where to start in the IT field,i am really interested in cyber security and i heard system adminstrator is also a good path to take.
@@SolidGeddoe if you would like, we can join forces together to figure it out. I am really into cyber security field. Maybe we can help each other figure it out. Two minds are better than one. 😀 Please let me know if you’re interested.
@@ej-ns3ve Not sure what state youre in but i was looking around online and a counselor in california told me about a college called Rio Hondo college,he said theres alot of programs and associates degree in IT cyber security that can be completed online,i might enroll into that college.
@@SolidGeddoe Thanks for the info. I’ll look into it.
I did computer science degree, you didnt miss out on anything. You could catch up in a year and learn the most during internships as well
Congrats on the degree! Majoring for a BS in Cybersecurity, too. Yes, the benefits of college is the networking and learning the fundamentals that will help me on my certifications. Cheers!
What year are you in?
What if you have no previous computer skills ? Plz help
Does cyber security require science background?
@@ankitbasnet837 idk about other counteries, but it's probably the same.
In poland you need maths, because this is basically the subject they teach for first year, you probably need a really basic science knowledge
could you share your experience? Was it worth getting a degree and is it paying off
College route point #3 is where I’m slacking with self study route. Starting from scratch learning the sections to build a study book, but networking is key. PBS Crash Course - Computer Science & intellectual property are awesome with great visuals to learn basics. Ted talk is great to pick up lingo and new Key Words as well as a personable responses. (Great picture and audio quality, Video point structure 💯 straight to the points👍🏼)
Self study is actually really hard to achieve.
I failed self study
It's really hard too indicate your own mistakes
Why precisely?
@@omairtech6711 You are missing the right literature. If you need help with anything you cant just ask a prof or phd. You have no other students you can work with. I mean if I would mention all reasons I could write an acedemic work about it because the list is so long
@CarCio Designs no one said it was impossible to be self taught, you are one of the fortunate ones that was able to learn yourself!
Self studying is a skill, for real. Some people need deadlines and a "higher authority" to continue chasing technical skills, similar to learning how to play instruments.
Great video. I am currently in a college with a 4.0 GPA, just got my Security +, still planning to attain my Network + and A+ as a personal goal. The Cert I will attain after these is the CCNA and onward to the OSCP. I personally think the more knowledgeable to networking you become the easier Cybersecurity becomes as identifying what is typical and non typical activity traversing a network becomes more second nature. I know this is not the only aspect however, I felt it is a position that will provide some of the most useful experience fresh out of college going into a cyber security role.
why would you get A+ if you have Sec+?
@@elchinmammadov624 The security+ is higher in the tier system of CompTIA, however many employers view the credentials differently. A+ shows competency in Hardware & Software, Security + shows competency regarding basic security concepts such as the CIA Triad, or the Encryption Algorithms. If you were to be an employer looking for someone to maintain servers etc. you would most likely desire an A+ over a Security+. If you are an organization maintaining data for companies through cloud services, you would be more likely to want someone with Security+ and either Net+/A. The government is big regarding the Security + as it is attached as a requirement for clearance jobs.
Update: Got my Network+
@@darnellg8599 your getting the certs while attending school? I start my cybersecurity degree in sept as a junior. Should I try and bang out these certs after a few semesters?
@@TeShady I have tackled 3 certifications now. I got my CompTIA Network +, CompTIA Security +, and my CCNA. My security plus got me a contract job working for the government making good money. I would highly recommend you studying for a certification while in school. Remember though, each cert correlates to different roles in IT. Make sure to stack certs wisely. I would recommend personally starting at Security + as it is the cert that leads to work most immediately of the entry level certifications with CompTIA.
I love when the start of a section blasts my eardrums out
Im starting a BS in cyber security and feel like computer science would be better, and watching this video backed it up 100%
At the end of the day, both of these paths will get you to a great career. Pursue whichever is most interesting for you!
Just take the easiest Computer Science related degree you can get and focus on doing CTF's. Even more interesting is to focus on AI because AI based anomoly detection is the future of blue team
I have been in the cyber security for almost 15 years , You can absolutely get into the field without a degree in cyber security but make sure you get a degree. A computer science degree with security certifications will get you into the career a couple years After you start. The one thing that most people don’t tell you is without a degree, they will pay you dramatically less than a person who has a degree even if you are better then them.
The knowledge can be the same no matter if you go the certification route but the money will not
It is also very hard to get a cyber security job out of college Unless you get a job at a big company and even when I land in my first job, it took me 2 to 3 years to get into the cyber security field, even with a masters degree in cyber security
@@1jmorrison I think it depends, you can easily get a job as a SOC analyst if you work at a big company of gov org they will Prob pay some certs for you
I believe cyber security employers would want candidates to have a degree in the near future. The same thing happened with the programming job title. Back then you could have gotten a job just with certificates and proof of knowledge. Now it's very difficult to get into programming without a computer science degree.
Hey Colin, I really love your knowledge on the industry. I chose to go back to college and work on my Associate Degree in Cybersecurity while obtaining my certifications as well. That my University offers to Cybersecurity students to take and pass. Then do some internship closer to my graduation date. After I graduate I was planning on working in the industry. Then go back to school to get my Bachelor's degree a few months after I graduate. The reason for that being is I want to work for the government and I have to have a 4 year degree. Also I feel like with my Associate degree and certifications I will get paid more starting off at entry level.
Good choice this is what I did, Paid nothing for my associates and got a job, and went back to get my bachelor's while having already certifications and getting the job experience. Finished and was able to get many job offers.
@@jeffersoncruz59 I’m trying to find resources on like videos on whether the CC route is worth it. Besides it being less expensive, I want to make sure its a good choice. Just fyi I don’t really have much of a background in IT.
@Jay Gaming that’s what I want to do as well but i don’t know if a associates in cyber security will really put me out there
any updates?
Very helpful! Thanks Colin. I like that you're a real person, with regular zits and a pink rock lamp.
I love how he talked about the pros and cons first and then related it to his own experience. Most people will just tell us what they go through and not explain both ends of the spectrum.
Bachelors degree in CS with 0 experience and I’m still starting my masters in CS next month. I’m sure I’ll regret it later but I’m having fun learning
I think you're either too young or have rich parents.
@@qzqx3047 Every word you just said was wrong. Lol
@@jlgspaz13 why not get some work experience before you go for your grad school? That’s what I would do.
@@qzqx3047 because it's his life, not yours
How come you think you will regret it ? I thought with computer science / cyber security etc and those degrees in the IT field you can make a lot financially ?
Being in a class room and hearing a professor rattle off acronym’s 😂😂 I felt that pain
Absolutely great
I am software engineer.
I taught myself two years ago.
Right now, I teaching cyber security for fun beside my full time job as software engineer
Thanks
Your video is amazing
I really like this channel! Small Tips:
1- Add a master volume control, so that your voice's volume will be consistent for the whole video.
2- Make the video transitions bit smoother. its a little bit of work but once you get it it will be fast easy after a couple of videos.
Good luck buddy! Keep up the good work!
I'm barely going to enroll into college and this helped me find the right path I wanted. Thank you!
You don't wanna do Comp Sci. It has a lot of math. It is very stressful. You learn how computers work inside and out, problem-solving, programming. I was lowkey depressed for that 1 year. Unless you don't mind the challenges of math and other theory-based classes. That's why I switched back to CyberSecurity.
feel you
Is there math in cybersecurity?
@@amalcandraw depends on the schools program that you attend but Cybersecurity majors doesn’t require high levels of math like computer science majors do
I went to psu for security and risk analysis, dropped out because I was completely failing info science and technology...I was drinking a lot. Definitely didn’t help. That was 7 years ago. I’m 31 years old now, ready to go back and major in cyber security. I don’t feel confident but I no longer party. Married with 3 kids now
you got this man, I used to drink a ton and I'm currently an electrician. But I haven't drank in almost two years now and want to pursue a different career. And cyber security looks to be it, good luck on your future!
You’re still very young, go for it
I'm a computer science student with an interest in Cyber Security. I think what I'm going to do is to put security in practice with my current software dev activities. Example I do django apps and I should practice defensive programming. This is the only path i know in my case.
"Rattling off acronyms," I feel you.
Great information here. I chose the college route and will definitely move forward quickly with getting my certs as well.
This is very important but having a college degree is prestigious too
No its not.....
@@drkdrive facts
At 18 you are probably not mature enough to be trusted with cyber security. Even at 19. In college you learn to be an adult which includes working with others who ARE NOT in any computer science field. Also, having exposure to things like art, music, theater, literature and other humanities helps you be a more well rounded person. I've worked my whole life in computers but my college degree was not in science. I am NEVER bored, and I'm an active member of my community. Yes, I've taken computer courses at my local community college (including security ones) but my art history classes make going to Museums and Galleries more fun.
Thanks Colin. This is actually helpful. I was in dilemma on choosing computer science vs cybersecurity.
Which one have you chosen?
Can you do a video of a day and life as a cyber security consultant
I really want to do a day in the life style.. Unfortunately I have to respect the privacy of my employer and our clients. I still do want to share some basic information of what I do as a consultant on a daily basis, but I will need to find a better way to present that info while respecting my employer.
@@ContractHacker please do so if you have time later on :)
@@ContractHacker please please if you can. thx
You would not have had this opportunity at all if you hadn’t went to pen state to begin with. Especially since penstate actually makes sure that students have an internship before they graduate. Career fairs at penstate are really good as well, a lot of fortune 100 representatives usually go there. If you actually look at the stats of EY employees, you’ll notice that quite a lot of them are penstate grads.
Tbh big 4 are probably the biggest employer of penstate grads for their Technology Advisory departments.
Hey Aman, thanks for your comment. I am well aware of Penn State's reputation and that is a major factor why I chose to go there! As I said in the video, I'm very thankful I graduated from there. I do agree that this opens a lot of doors but I would have to disagree that I would not have had the opportunity at all if I hadn't went there. I am a firm believer that if you work hard enough no doors are closed. That said, it is absolutely a more difficult route.
I don't want to come across as if I am saying that I "didn't need college" or anything like that. In this video I was attempting to present both sides and basically tell people that college isn't the only option.
@@ContractHacker oh no!!! I’m sorry if I came off rude! Yes everyone can definitely get anywhere they want to just takes more hard work.
Never knew antoine griezmann did a cyber security degree
there's also cybersecurity boot programs that have a duration of 1 year or less were you meet various professors and get to gain connections with people in the field for a fraction of the price and time as compared to getting a bachelors degree in the field
How would you do that?
@@sebastianrios2076 look up universities in your area that carry the Cybersecurity program and ask about it
@@Nicolevalladaresd alr thanks man. I'll call a bunch of places and I'll prob just ask you if I have any other questions
@@sebastianrios2076 have you done it? And how use full are those boot camps/classes
Awesome camera :)
Fucking microphone
Which camera? :)
@UA-cam Deleted my Other Account for Mean Comments yeah I've already said that. And bit scared from your name for my comment :/
(See it in all reply comments of that comment)
After watching these types of videos I have come to the conclusion that I will be doing both. I understand that I am not a self study person I need the traditional school route. I prefer to go to college and get my certifications on the side.
That's what I am doing. My college offers certs prep classes too. It is towards the end of my degree but they are only two credit classes. I think I have the choice to choose between two of them. I am thinking security + and one more. Security + was based on recommendation.
You have to do your own due diligence. Research, research, research. Talk to pros who are in the field you want to be a part of. Get the real dirt. Then make your own decision. And own it.
Hey Colin, this video gives me a good insight of what's better for me. I've always wanted to be a Cyber Security Expert/ a Penetration Tester and and wanted to pursue CybSec degree in a University. I had a short amount of time deciding which Uni I should attend, and I chose Arizona State University Computer Science (Cyber Security) Degree Program. I've tried discovering lots of universities, but I had a hard time choosing one that focuses more in Cyber Security, rather than Computer Science. Long story short, I chose the ASU's Comp Sci (CyberSec), and I'm now struggling with a lot of Math and Comp Sci lessons that I don't think necessary. Yes, I know that Cyber Security also needs programming, but I feel like this degree is 90% on Computer Science, and as I read the road map, I've realized that I will get the Cyber Sec Part at the end of the program, they don't even specify what classes are on it, I'm starting to think that this is a course regarding creating a secure environment with programming, rather than penetration testing. I'm kind struggling a lot, because they teach a lot of programming stuffs that I can't understand (Im currently at Java 2 -- GUI and OOP). I hope I can still get the job I want as a Penetration Tester.
Hi, I understand what you going through but trust me.... it’s all for the better. All that math and comp science BS will come in handy when you land a job. Just hang in there and thug it through !
Hello, if you see this can you talk about how things turned out? for better or worst after a year
I know for sure that location also matters, for instance the DMV (DC Maryland Virginia), an area that has tons of tech, cyber, federal companies. Trying to break into the security world in this area without a degree is pretty challenging because of the competition.
Military service is a good work around in areas like that
Thank you so much for the information. I'm considering taking a master's degree in this field, it's just 1 year so I think there is not much loss (except maybe money).
do you mind me asking where? I'm looking into getting a masters too but the school I'm looking ats program is 2 years
If your in California, csusb has a really good program and offers scholarships for cyber security students.. especially at masters level
@@dennisthemenice8476 i just got accepted into the cyber security masters program. It’s nice to know it has a reputation lol
Currently about to get registered for an associate's degree in cyber security
I really appreciate this video and the time you gave to make it. I’m thinking for my children who are getting a computer engineering degree to get a certificate to go with it. Our UNiversity offers it but our community college offers stuff super cheap
Just in general glad you mentioned it, general education courses are so dumb and a huge time waster , it’s just a way for them to pump out more money out of you , like honestly without gen electives that’s like a good 1.5 + years shaved off whatever course you are taking or more if you didn’t get the credit . Only a select view doe make sense but still has nothing to do with what your taking🤦🏽♂️🙄
Honestly the only video that really helped me thanks!
Going to college for a 4 years degree on IT is a waste of time and money, it’s easier to go for certificates so you’ll learn specific skills that you need, abs not filler classes that college ask you to take you to get your money.
Cybersecurity is a hot field right now and you’ll get a job super easy.
What about 2 year programs offered at community colleges?
Third option, a lot of people miss Its the 2 year associates degrees at community colleges. Its a mix of the 2 you mentioned. Community college associates IT degrees (There is some I've seen that are like systems administrator+ cyber security etc community colleges usually have multiple IT degree paths including ones that transfer over to university level IT degee) are honestly probably the best way to get into IT, bachelors is I'd say the second best, self study certs isn't a good way to go anymore... maybe 5-10 years ago it was, but it's not now. Community college, many of those IT degrees there will set you up with the ability to get 6-8 certs in the 2 years you'll be there, ntm in your final year a lot of them have a co-op/internship class that will count as like 3 credits plus you get paid and work experience before you graduate 2 birds with one stone, where they literally set you up with an internship, make sure the community college has one of those classes if it doesn't, meh. So 2 year community college, 6-8 certs, final year Co-op/internship...its a great way to get into the industry imo. I'm gonna be honest, i don't think IT at the bachelor's level is worth it for most people, if you are gonna go technology bachelor's degree, I'd say CS, EE, or Computer Engineering. I really don't see IT, cyber security, information technology, Computer information systems, degrees at the bachelor's of level are worth as much as CS, CPE, or EE.
I really like your stand, very neutral. It may come out as rude but for some reason you start explaining something and in the middle you start adding points to your speech with a different tone so my attention goes there. But please don't take it as plain insult, I really liked your video. Cheers!
Could have used a breakdown of the WGU method and comparing it to a traditional university program. With WGU you can get the certs while you work entry level, then transfer them in as credit toward your degree. You might get your BA cyber in a year depending on what you transfer in, and for less than 10k.
What is the WGU/ WGU method?
@@taviowoods6272 Western governor University
Great video. The idea of the video is awesome. Only complaint, which was a deal breaker for me, is the audio quality. When there is a pause in speech the next sentence starts out screaming at me, and for this reason, I could only watch half the video. I would try more of your content but it's scary how loud it gets lol
Thank you for the information and video, great job! Good luck in your current Indevors. 👍
I am embarking into Cybersecurity after 15 years of owning my own business. I’m in an Introduction to Cybersecurity course at NC State University which leads into a full 10 month program. As an older person I appreciate your take on degree vs. no degree. I hear it’s possible to make it in this industry with a good solid foundation of knowledge and a couple important certifications. Thanks for putting out these You Tube videos. I’ve enjoyed following you.
How did the introduction course go @janice?
@@AmaraSoGolden Hi Thanks for asking. I loved the introductory course! Now I am trying to coordinate my schedule so I can have plenty of time to focus on the full program (10 months). I am also researching what position really appeals to me, so I can start working towards it, rather than trying to do it all and not have a focus. Where are you in this Cybersecurity industry?
@Janice Williams thanks for replying. I’m actually looking at the same 10 month program at NC. I have to previous I.T experience so I’m looking to take the December intro course. Do you know anyone who went the boot camp route and found a job. I don’t see many people speak about that.
@@AmaraSoGolden oh I am so excited for you. You will do great since you have IT experience. I too asked that question of who got work after the program and they only sited the same example in the literature about one man who had absolutely no experience but after hard work through the program now works as head of the department in a medical institution (not sure if it’s a hospital or not) I would be very curious what they tell you when you ask that question. Let me know.
@Janice Williams right cause that’s the deciding factor for me. But I just spoke to admission like a minute ago and registered for it. I hope I gain a lot from it.
I'm prior military and work for an IT company in their Cyber Security dept. Cyber Security is such a broad field. The more I look it seems like a lot of people are trying to switch careers and work in Cyber because of the nice salaries. I get it and understand but I would advise people to follow their real interests because Cyber isn't necessarily fast paced and exciting all the time. The other thing to note, to me it isn't all that important to rush out and get a Cyber Security degree. In my department we've had web developers, coders, database experts. A large number of people in my dept don't have college degrees, and if they have a degree it isn't Cyber or even IT related (But they do have experience in the field). Degrees are more necessary for government jobs but not necessarily for contracting jobs with private sector companies. Even with government jobs I think more importance is placed on showing the completion of higher level education than the actual major. We have the requirement to have particular certifications due to supporting certain contracts. Their is a manager in my company who has about 5 managers under him. His degrees are not even IT related and some of the managers under him have no degree at all.
Are you familiar with the Vet Tec Program through the VA for disabled veterans? I hate not working full time as a DV and really want to get into something that I can do physically. I was military intelligence in the Army and held a TSsci clearance. You think it would be worth taking their courses through Intellectual Point. I can't seem to find any info on the program other than their own propaganda.
Thanks for the awesome vids dude!
Hey Colin ! I’m really deciding on doing cyber security or computer science as a whole but feel more interested in cyber security ! Any thoughts on this path ? I don’t mind doing cyber security As a job ! Just curious with job opportunities within have a computer science degree
Hey Kevin, when deciding between comp sci and cyber security I would say the biggest factor is the maturity and reputation of the cyber security program you are looking at. If it is a very reputable cyber security program that will go a long way! I would just advise you to understand the security program at the school before committing to it.
I have a in-depth blog post comparing the two degrees! cybercareerschool.com/cyber-security-vs-computer-science-degree/
Many schools have a "cyber security program" but it will really just be a mix between multiple degree programs within their Information Technology College.
If you are really into the technical aspects of the field you cannot go wrong with a comp sci degree, this will open many doors for you and allow you to learn harder cyber security concepts later on. If you are considering this route I must advise you that this will be much more work, you need to make sure that you are getting involved with security projects and clubs on the side.
Hopefully this helps! It's a very hard choice between the two but it really comes down to your specific interests and path!
@@ContractHacker What do you think about UTSA’s cyber security program?
This helps me think about it from a different pov! Thankyou soo much, greetings from India!
Happy for you. I am in the process of doing the same. Thanks for the motivation.
I am taking 3rd year diploma from college in Business Information System. My focus is on Info Sec, so I am gonna approach the non-traditional way. Hope I can get there soon.
what exactly is Business Information Systems? is it similar to management information systems, also is it more business or tech heavy?
@@KingKongHitDaBong It's BSc comes under computer science degree. As I am studying it part time, it looks like you work with both programming and business mixed. So it's helpful.
I agree with the uselessness of Geology and such in degrees. Each state has a board that tries to decide what will make us all "well-rounded" after we graduate. My solution is to look into Associate degrees. You learn the nuts and bolts of a degree subject without all the fluff classes. You are in and out with a degree, which is more useful without the 3rd- and 4th-year management classes. If you want to be a manager, then transfer that degree to a 4-year program.
Bad at acronyms too.. also feel the same toward the corps as you do college … I don’t regret it but wow what a wild ride … 3 yrs to go
Edited:
your route that you choose has everything to do with your situation before you go in: experience and current resources (mentally and financially)
Awesome answer.
Hey are you in the field already?
Interesting take, definitely found this video to be helpful.
Recently, through my community college I was accepted into an IT apprenticeship at a bank. It includes free tuition for the rest of my associates degree. There's the promise of a job offer after the completion of the apprenticeship and I am considering going for my bachelors.
The time commitment is huge. I've seen a lot of IT people complete their degrees mid career....just to check that box. That's I might do. Cool video, thanks!
Thanks for the video, great info. I never finished college & am considering getting a degree on this major. However, I am considering going the certificate route. Can you maybe do a video or provide a list of certifications you’d recommend to get done?
I would recommend starting with the network+ and the security+. These will establish a strong foundation and will set you up for more advanced certifications later on. After those two you will need to consider what career path you want so you can choose the most specific cert for that area.
I have a whole area devoted to certifications on my blog! I recently just wrote a guide on the 7 best beginner certifications that you will find helpful!
cybercareerschool.com/category/blogs/certifications/
Colin Kelly Thanks for responding!! Great, let me check those out!
@@rinavelli have you started?
@@MalumFashEntertainment nope. not yet. i’m currently in the process of moving. once i’m settled & get a new laptop, i will!
Well as a Finn, the education is free.. So the cost is only if I need to apply study leave from work. And in Finland you can get at least 2 years of study leave in every 5 years time. I'm now studying Bachelor's degree and working 60% of the time.
Thats dope
Bachelors in computer Science or cybersecurity?
If more Americans knew you had things such as “study leave” we might not be so angry and stupid
more than 90 percent of employers looking for people who hold a bachelor degree in the relevant field. Especially in the UK.
now I do not know the situ in the US but I reckon a bachelors degree open up much more opp.
you can get these interns just by going to job fairs at your local university for free. In college they teach to the book, not the problem. You can also buy the same txt books they use at Harvard, not to mention you can watch the lectures for free in fact you can go to the 400lv courses in college without being enrolled to sit in and learn. You just won’t get a piece of paper but you’ll save 3 years of your life not learning anything. There’s a reason they don’t teach you about money and why corporations “train” you regardless if you have a degree. That should tell you how valuable it is
I have a bachelors in business and I’m enrolled in a cyber security bachelors program as a transfer student. They’re letting me apply all my gen ed credits from my first degree so I only have to take the degree specific courses. This will allow me to get a second bachelors in Cybersecurity in only about 3 semesters. I’d recommend this to anyone with a completed undergrad.
How did you do that ?
Great vid, but you really do need to fix the audio, there are huge volume spikes, especially when starting a new section.
Someone didn’t compress and normalize their audio correctly.
Thanks for the video. The degree I am perusing right now is in Computer Information Systems. My school does offer a specific Cybersecurity degree, but the CIS degree here offers four concentrations, and Cybersecurity is one of them. I’m really considering on doing it.
Hey Collin ! What do you think about bootcamps ? ASU has a 6 month cyber security boot camp I was looking into
Have you done the Bootcamp and if you did has it been a good start?
Starting ComputerNetworking/Cybersecurity in an NJ college and I plan on transferring to Penn State!
Great video currently going both routes getting certifications first then college to study computer science!
Hello Colin what are your thoughts in WGU cyber security degree ?
I just applied today I heard recommendations (western govern university)?
I agree with you. It all comes down the recruiter and hope to whatever God you believe in that they're at least a "technical" recruiter.
I'm luckier than most. Military paid for my a+ so I knew a little bit. I paid for my sec+. Fell off from studying CYSA+ since the start of the virus. I wish I did go to college because its my strict and I think I learn better because I'm steered that way. Self study can be overwhelming/underwelming. Definitely highs, lows, and even purgatory lol.
Mistakes? Nothing against the military but I probably should have went to a university after CC and finish my degree THEN went into the military or see how engineering life was. Never know maybe I would have went into IT.
Gov't/contractors LOVE bachelor degrees which is my only gripe. Not going to even get started on experience. It's still hard for both parties who have either degrees or certification to get hired. I REFUSE to work as a help desk due to the other qualifications I have. If anything SYSADMIN then slowly make the move to cyber. Even thought about going into programming. I have a couple months before I have to sweat for a IT job.
Kenyatta, thanks so much for your response. I totally agree on the technical recruiter part too. A good interviewer can really set you up well to display your expertise!
Would you recommend majoring in a computer science degree or cyber security degree? I don’t want to be limited to only Cyber security with the degree but at the same time it’s also the career I’m most interested in?
If you ever get the answer to this lmk, im in the same boat as you.
@@Oneandonly_246 likewise
Loved this..1year is enough that's great
Thoughts on the military route? Currently I'm getting a certificate from a bootcamp backed by my local uni (UCF), and after that I'm planning on going full time 4 years in the military, specifically for cyber security. Is this a viable option to get 4 years of industry experience, and how would it look on my job resume?
hell yes do it, because realistically no company is going to hire you just based off of you having certificates/ a bachelor's. If you go in and serve for four years while applying your knowledge in cybersecurity, your chances of getting hired by a reputable company increase tremendously. You must go through background checks and such to work for these companies, they have to trust you, military will look excellent on your resume, wishing you luck
@hawks2025 My plan as of right now is: during winter break, learn as much as I can about network, security, and how to ethically hack and code on Python. Then go to the Air Force recruiter, take the ASVAB and score high enough for Cyber Security (around that field). Then, hope that I get the job. Were about to go to war with China, pretty sure the military would like more bodies in cyber security.
Yes
You’d be sweeping the mp until 1800 til ur 1sausage tells u to fck off, please don’t
As a older male (27) looking to make a career change from Automotive I have no idea where to start. I know for a fact that I will fall off with self study so I’m currently trying to get into a 4 year program. If that doesn’t work I’ll just take the community college route. Whatever it takes truly
I'm basically where you at right now(27 years old female) , except the fact that I dropped out of pharmacy school after spending years pursuing the education. I'm looking into piling certification and doing bootcamps . going back to school is just out of the question for me as I have spent my whole life in school. its tricky.
Also 27 same thing here changing it up. Y’all do any good? Lol
@@ikramelmi4127 boot Camp is another headache and wasting time and money. In my opinion it’s good idea to get accredited degrees either from college or university. Thanks sister in Islam
That's what I thought that's y I went straight ahead in doing a CS degree
Thank man this really helps alot 👍💯
That time investment (in my opinion) is bullshit. You finish high school at 18-19 boom 4 years + 2 for masters and ur 25 yo getting a 100k $ a year (and ur a cool hacking guy)
Hey Colin I got a question im just starting out I love your video this really was eye opening and helped me walk away with a good perspective. Would you recommend getting a computer science degree with a concentration in cybersecurity? Im a father of two and im restarting my life and my education in a manner of speaking. I want to go into this industry the right way. But I dont know how or where to start off. Im gonna go to school but I want to make sure I don't waist my own time in the process.
Im planning on trying to learn as much as i csn before i go get my bachelors in cybersecurity i wanna be working while im in school tbh
Great content Colin!
Coming from hvac and construction, covid lung got me so I'm looking for a career that doesn't have as much wear and tear on my body, I Love hvac but cybersecurity seems to be calling my name, service and repairs while learning this will be interesting
Hi I'm interested in going to non-traditional way for cyber-security, for person that's just starting now would be most prudent way to begin?
check out Network Chuck on youtube, he talks extensively about self learning
I experienced this with programming. Great stuff👍🏼
What if your employer pays for your degree up to a master's no strings attached 100% for units, books, and any other expenses?
Hi Colin, thanks for this insightful video. Could I get your perspective on doing a Masters in Cyber Security? I studied an unrelated degree (accountancy) and am thinking of spending 2 years to do part-time masters (not as long as a bachelor's). I am already in the cyber security industry at the entry level. Would I be better off going for the certification route? Thanks in advance!
Also, I'm thinking of doing either CRISC or CISM. Are you able to recommend which to do first?
Great vlog! Really helped me understand the importance of experience and skills over degree. I have recently taken up a CEH course at EC Council University out of passion and interest but now I am clueless on what course to take next to have a career in cyber security. Could you help me decode this? Thanks!
Invest in bootcamps
Ejpt cpent oscp
I've done both and he's speaking facts. Except I did a masters.
If you did go the certification route do you think the pay would be the same as a college degree or even close?
Currently going to school for information systems. Was thinking of continuing that while getting cyber security certs on the side. Do you think that is a decent way to go? I worry about limiting myself by just getting a cyber security degree.
Hi, 1 year later, did you end up deciding on what to do? I was thinking the same exact thing. How did it go for you?
hello can you answer above comment
Hello I am a senior in highschool and was also interested in Information systems and also getting cybersecurity certs. Pls answer
I just finished a cyber security bachelor's degree thru an online course. To me and my parents, it was worth it, cause I was the first in my family to have a BA 🙂
I already knew way ahead of time that a BA in this field isn't necessary, since you need specific licenses, such as Security + and other more specific ones (one I want to really go for relating to Ethical Hacking)
But due to military and the pandemic and other related stuff, doing both BA and certificated industry licenses, couldn't do both
But it really is nice to have a BA and have the basic fundamental idea what is cyber security.
For those who already have a BA...yeah, not worth the investment, but then again, another degree is still nice to have on a resume, but isnt required in this field 😅
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
İf l go to the BOTCAMP what do you think it is good ?????????? Bootcamp vs college
Colin, if I already have a BS in National Security should I get a second Bachelors degree in Cyber or just get my certifications only at SANS institute? TIA!
Dude go for certifications. Stop throwing money to college institutions. Watch video, pay for some resources online.
You have a degree. That box is checked. Get your certs and make some money. Don't waste money on another degree. Alot of employers just want to see that you have one.
Either way, both are much better than the military route.
Shameless shill for my school Dakota State University - I liked it, and they teach you a lot.
But if you’re unsure about the school you want to go to, you can look for schools with a CAE designation from the NSA. It’s a type of certification for the curriculum and maturity of the cyber security program being taught.
Self Study here from genesis transitioned through various roles eventually into Info Sec (Enjoyed the journey, still have plenty to learn. easily spend a life time continuing to learn),... still went the college route so not having a degree doesn't preclude me from moving into leadership positions down the road.
I am at UMGC now and I have a minor for Cyber and a major for Systems Management in IT. Does this sound like a good match? Thanks. Great video thanks.
I’m 39 and planning on doing an online school next year. The college I’m looking at has a BS in information technology with a minor in cyber security. They also have a BS in cyber security. I don’t know which route I should go with.
Same man! I’m 33 and looked into BS in Information Technologies, but my brother is going for Cyber Security and now I don’t know which to shoot for.
Information technology is a broader subject which cybersecurity is under. If I were you, I'll go with the former because it will let you be well grounded on a wider range of topics in the IT industry and will also prepare you for a wider range of opportunities.