I've watched this episode I-dunno-how-many times, and this is the first time I realized that Toby anglicanizes Mendoza's name, and EJO immediately corrects his pronunciation.
Fun fact: Vaughn Armstrong, the actor playing the apologetic sergeant in this scene, also played numerous roles across the Star Trek franchise including Admiral Forrest on Enterprise. It's a small universe, y'know!
so in a round about way your saying Starfleet decided to provoke the Colonial Fleet and outta everyone they could have gone after they pick *Adama* that's up there with typical Starfleet command thought process.
TOBY: I''d also like to spend some time in a dark room alone so that I didn't so I wouldn't have to face my wife and my son and have them see my humiliation. MENDOZA: [Turns away slightly and looks down, but nods his head to acknowledges yeah, that's exactly what I've been doing.] Justice and fairness isn't always about obtaining a legal or economic benefit. People are harmed emotionally as wel[
And then you just have another pissed off guy with brown skin that will do his best to pass that on to his kids, and the circle goes round and round. The damnest thing is that most of these hard feelings can just be resolved with honesty from the cops. "Yeah, kid. I saw a brown person in an almost completely white town, and I jumped to the wrong conclusion. I was wrong to do that, and I need to seriously consider my actions from now on." But of course that will never happen either. Cops REALLY don't like it when someone points out they are wrong about something...and the circle goes round and round.
It's even more hard hitting when you know Toby's background, how his father was a convicted criminal, a part of the NYC Jewish mob's enforcement arm, known as Murder, Inc. So Toby obviously knows what it feels like to see one's father taken away in handcuffs, even when it was merited, let alone what Justice Mendoza's son must be feeling.
I love how that Barney Fife bigot cop tries to rationalize it "I'm not entirely convinced he wasn't drinking?" Oh really? Is that what you think "those people do?" Get in the car with their wife and child to go antiquing after throwing a few back?
Bernard "Barney" Fife is a fictional character in the American television program The Andy Griffith Show, portrayed by comic actor Don Knotts. You are welcome.
This is a wonderful portrayal of what a Supreme Court Justice is supposed to be. Interesting that we have three Supreme Court Justices that aren't in the pockets of billionaires. Interesting that we have 6 Supreme Court Justices that's so obviously are in the pockets of billionaires.
The show's about politics written by a guy who can do it well, which is why so many loved it. Nobody is here for your politics, even if it was well-written.
I think it's hysterical that you think liberal justices are somehow all paragons of virtue and conservative justices are all just this side of the antichrist.
@@2013jpm We came here to enjoy this well-written show about politics, not read your well-written political comments! ... let me know when you see it, 'kay? ^_^
@@2013jpm West Wing wasn't a political show. It was a drama. Aaron Sorkin said if he could've written it neutral, he would have but you can't have good drama if people don't have a point of view. People who get caught up in the politics of the show miss the point that it's not about politics. The politics are the impetus for the drama, nothing more.
It’s causing despair in places like Australia, so how must you guys feel. Your Supreme Court is a model to the world and these craven megalomaniacs contempt it. I so feel for you.
I am here because i watched this scene JUST NOW! 3:15AM on the 24th of December 2022. I was going to record that difficult, beautiful moment.. ..i THANK you! For seeing it's need to be shared before my hand was necessary. Before I had even seen the lights of that police car. THANKYOU
@@dave29123 "Common?" By 2003 camera phones were already selling significantly more then *cameras*. In 2005 Nokia became the worlds largest camera producer. I don't know where you found that information, but it's wrong. It's also weird to me that kids are now googling how the 00s were, drawbacks of growing old lol. Kids photographing each other in the school locker rooms were already a big issue at this time, and is why cameras on phones in many places of the world soon started having "mandatory click sounds".
@@TzunSu I just googled and read the first article that appeared. I really didn't put much effort into the search. I stand corrected. I've watched more than a few 'reaction' videos of people being exposed to the 'oldies' movies &music from the '90s & '00s. :)
You sure? It's my understanding 0.08 is the legal limit, and if the "judge" was drunk enough to blow a 0.1, then he would be dead because of his personal health issues?
And while I love the show and the very under-utilized James Edward Olmos, couldn’t them springing the judge and killing any police report be considered, well, a cover-up?
No. It's all explained in the scene if you'll just pay close attention. It was a mistake that could have been blown way out of proportion for both sides and would have ended up being a whole lot of noise that would have just hurt everyone involved. The police involved were in the wrong and the judge, being a judge, knew the law inside and out otherwise he would not have been a USSC nominee. No threats or intimidation were employed, just a rather blunt statement of facts. If it makes you feel better, sure, you could call it a cover-up, but it was anything but.
no, the police recognizing an arrest was made on the basis of racial prejudice can, on their own motion, choose to not enforce the arrest and expunge the record.
Yes. The next question is, "WHAT was covered up?" They didn't cover up anything that Mendoza did wrong. The beneficiary of this cover up was Barney Fife. Perhaps a small local scandal, but realistically, the racist sheriff is probably a product of his racist community, so his constituents probably want him to keep pulling over Hispanic people anyways. In other words, Toby nailed it when he said, "There's nothing about this that doesn't stink and there's nothing about this that wouldn't be better if you were a supreme court justice."
welcome to america: - nobody was charged - being jailed isn't "on record" - without a "charge" (which would be recorded) then "no harm" p.s. being held in jail - however long - isn't the same as prison. learn how US justice system works ... or don't.
Well, yes, it could be seen that way, especially in today’s highly charged political climate. But as other commenters have said, it is not in fact a cover-up. It is a valid and legal solution to a situation in which there is nothing that doesn’t stink. It is regrettable that it would be hard to convince certain people of that today. (Just a note: if you think I’m talking about just one side or the other, you’re not thinking clearly.)
I love how the writer wants us to feel sorry for the racially profiled Hispanic and then asks the Jewish communications director to be unsympathetic to his Passion of being profiled as if Toby doesn't get it.. Pathetic I guess we're not supposed to remember Toby's indignation when he was called a New York kind of whatever and he lost his temper and said hes talking about us Josh, hes talking about Jews..
Not sure what scene you watched that implied Toby "doesn't get it". He lays out a speech about how he gets it, but sees that today it's more important that the Supreme Court justice-to-be not sit in a jail cell out of some quest for vengeance.
I believe Toby was being what is known as "professional" in this scene. He was here to do a job (getting Mendoza out of trouble so he could become SCJ which is a very big deal on several levels) and he didn't allow his feelings to get in the way of that.
Toby's character doesn't fly a single straight course-- he gyrates between a idealist believer and a political operative. He's a conflicted character between ideals and reality. Also, from a narrative point of view, Richard Schiff is great at being the foil in a scene (whatever somebody else's character is, he can make dramatic tension).
As someone that drove thru Connecticut last year, Sam is valid in that argument
Edward James Olmos could flash freeze molten lava with a stare and 2 words.
Same about vaporizing an iceberg. (The "So say we ALL!!" speech from Galactica miniseries).
I loved him in “Stand and Deliver”!
So say we all.
If u get the chance see his address to the UN@@zvimur
Toby makes his point to Mendoza, but also gets him get a little retribution by making the officers eat crow to his son and wife.
I've watched this episode I-dunno-how-many times, and this is the first time I realized that Toby anglicanizes Mendoza's name, and EJO immediately corrects his pronunciation.
Fun fact: Vaughn Armstrong, the actor playing the apologetic sergeant in this scene, also played numerous roles across the Star Trek franchise including Admiral Forrest on Enterprise. It's a small universe, y'know!
I thought that was him.
@@italianviking80 His voice is very distinctive. I think a majority of Star Trek fans might, at a minimum, hear it and go "he sounds familiar ..."
Admiral Forrest vs Admiral Adama my moneys on The Old Man I don't think Forrest can roll the hard six.
so in a round about way your saying Starfleet decided to provoke the Colonial Fleet and outta everyone they could have gone after they pick *Adama* that's up there with typical Starfleet command thought process.
I absolutely love this scene
It’s grade A liberal fanfic smut lol. I love it too.
@@wynnecsfanfic? How do you get that?
TOBY: I''d also like to spend some time in a dark room alone so that I didn't so I wouldn't have to face my wife and my son and have them see my humiliation.
MENDOZA: [Turns away slightly and looks down, but nods his head to acknowledges yeah, that's exactly what I've been doing.]
Justice and fairness isn't always about obtaining a legal or economic benefit. People are harmed emotionally as wel[
And then you just have another pissed off guy with brown skin that will do his best to pass that on to his kids, and the circle goes round and round.
The damnest thing is that most of these hard feelings can just be resolved with honesty from the cops.
"Yeah, kid. I saw a brown person in an almost completely white town, and I jumped to the wrong conclusion. I was wrong to do that, and I need to seriously consider my actions from now on."
But of course that will never happen either. Cops REALLY don't like it when someone points out they are wrong about something...and the circle goes round and round.
truth is truth
It's even more hard hitting when you know Toby's background, how his father was a convicted criminal, a part of the NYC Jewish mob's enforcement arm, known as Murder, Inc. So Toby obviously knows what it feels like to see one's father taken away in handcuffs, even when it was merited, let alone what Justice Mendoza's son must be feeling.
Toby is an AMAZING character.
one of the best in all tv land
Toby’s character is the conscience of the West Wing
I love how that Barney Fife bigot cop tries to rationalize it "I'm not entirely convinced he wasn't drinking?" Oh really? Is that what you think "those people do?" Get in the car with their wife and child to go antiquing after throwing a few back?
One of my favorite scenes! There are so many!!
It me!
Bernard "Barney" Fife is a fictional character in the American television program The Andy Griffith Show, portrayed by comic actor Don Knotts.
You are welcome.
This is a wonderful portrayal of what a Supreme Court Justice is supposed to be. Interesting that we have three Supreme Court Justices that aren't in the pockets of billionaires. Interesting that we have 6 Supreme Court Justices that's so obviously are in the pockets of billionaires.
The show's about politics written by a guy who can do it well, which is why so many loved it. Nobody is here for your politics, even if it was well-written.
I think it's hysterical that you think liberal justices are somehow all paragons of virtue and conservative justices are all just this side of the antichrist.
@@2013jpm We came here to enjoy this well-written show about politics, not read your well-written political comments!
... let me know when you see it, 'kay? ^_^
@@2013jpm West Wing wasn't a political show. It was a drama. Aaron Sorkin said if he could've written it neutral, he would have but you can't have good drama if people don't have a point of view. People who get caught up in the politics of the show miss the point that it's not about politics. The politics are the impetus for the drama, nothing more.
It’s causing despair in places like Australia, so how must you guys feel. Your Supreme Court is a model to the world and these craven megalomaniacs contempt it. I so feel for you.
That was good acting there.
I am here because i watched this scene JUST NOW!
3:15AM on the 24th of December 2022.
I was going to record that difficult, beautiful moment..
..i THANK you! For seeing it's need to be shared before my hand was necessary. Before I had even seen the lights of that police car.
THANKYOU
Toby could always provide guidance.
Hard hitting. ❤❤❤
So smug but I still love it. Today with cell phones it would go down differently.
You think they didn't have cellphones in the late 90s and early 00s?
Maybe he means filming it
A quick google search says the first video camera on a cell phone was in May '99, but they didn't become common until the iphone in ''07.
@@dave29123 "Common?" By 2003 camera phones were already selling significantly more then *cameras*. In 2005 Nokia became the worlds largest camera producer.
I don't know where you found that information, but it's wrong. It's also weird to me that kids are now googling how the 00s were, drawbacks of growing old lol.
Kids photographing each other in the school locker rooms were already a big issue at this time, and is why cameras on phones in many places of the world soon started having "mandatory click sounds".
@@TzunSu I just googled and read the first article that appeared. I really didn't put much effort into the search. I stand corrected.
I've watched more than a few 'reaction' videos of people being exposed to the 'oldies' movies &music from the '90s & '00s. :)
This show...!
Anyone looking for the full episode, this might be 1x17 instead of 1x15
It’s 1x15. 1x17 is “The White House Pro-Am”, where the Federal Reserve chairman dies.
Guy sounds almost exactly like the president
There are no county police nor thruways in Connecticut but other than that, great scene
Well, it's not like they can name a real police force, given how good people are at separating TV from reality.
No one truly believes Connecticut exists anyway
I think that was just a dig at the police officer. The writer however probably confused Connecticut with New Jersey.
There’s a sheriff Is multiple counties. Not much difference.
We don't have county governments (technically counties exist but are not used).
He means .01
Thanks. Where the decimal point goes varies with whatever system is used.
You sure? It's my understanding 0.08 is the legal limit, and if the "judge" was drunk enough to blow a 0.1, then he would be dead because of his personal health issues?
There's no greater embarrassment than being humiliated in front of your own FAMILY by FAMILY
And while I love the show and the very under-utilized James Edward Olmos, couldn’t them springing the judge and killing any police report be considered, well, a cover-up?
No. It's all explained in the scene if you'll just pay close attention. It was a mistake that could have been blown way out of proportion for both sides and would have ended up being a whole lot of noise that would have just hurt everyone involved. The police involved were in the wrong and the judge, being a judge, knew the law inside and out otherwise he would not have been a USSC nominee. No threats or intimidation were employed, just a rather blunt statement of facts. If it makes you feel better, sure, you could call it a cover-up, but it was anything but.
no, the police recognizing an arrest was made on the basis of racial prejudice can, on their own motion, choose to not enforce the arrest and expunge the record.
Yes. The next question is, "WHAT was covered up?"
They didn't cover up anything that Mendoza did wrong. The beneficiary of this cover up was Barney Fife. Perhaps a small local scandal, but realistically, the racist sheriff is probably a product of his racist community, so his constituents probably want him to keep pulling over Hispanic people anyways.
In other words, Toby nailed it when he said, "There's nothing about this that doesn't stink and there's nothing about this that wouldn't be better if you were a supreme court justice."
welcome to america:
- nobody was charged
- being jailed isn't "on record"
- without a "charge" (which would be recorded) then "no harm"
p.s. being held in jail - however long - isn't the same as prison.
learn how US justice system works ... or don't.
Well, yes, it could be seen that way, especially in today’s highly charged political climate. But as other commenters have said, it is not in fact a cover-up. It is a valid and legal solution to a situation in which there is nothing that doesn’t stink. It is regrettable that it would be hard to convince certain people of that today.
(Just a note: if you think I’m talking about just one side or the other, you’re not thinking clearly.)
Love the show but this scene is total bull$shit. 100%
Times have definitely changed
Sam violated a HIPPA regulation divulging a person’s medical condition without their consent
HIPPA applies to health care providers, health insurers, and health information clearinghouses. Sam is none of those.
No application here at all. Anyway the condition is declared publicly for any nominee.
Sean, that is a common misunderstanding of HIPPA.
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Whatever you're smoking, you should stop...
I love how the writer wants us to feel sorry for the racially profiled Hispanic and then asks the Jewish communications director to be unsympathetic to his Passion of being profiled as if Toby doesn't get it.. Pathetic I guess we're not supposed to remember Toby's indignation when he was called a New York kind of whatever and he lost his temper and said hes talking about us Josh, hes talking about Jews..
I guess you've never heard of people Jewish people being racist 🤦♂️🤣🤣
Not sure what scene you watched that implied Toby "doesn't get it". He lays out a speech about how he gets it, but sees that today it's more important that the Supreme Court justice-to-be not sit in a jail cell out of some quest for vengeance.
Tell me you didn’t understand the scene without telling me you didn’t understand the scene.
I believe Toby was being what is known as "professional" in this scene. He was here to do a job (getting Mendoza out of trouble so he could become SCJ which is a very big deal on several levels) and he didn't allow his feelings to get in the way of that.
Toby's character doesn't fly a single straight course-- he gyrates between a idealist believer and a political operative. He's a conflicted character between ideals and reality. Also, from a narrative point of view, Richard Schiff is great at being the foil in a scene (whatever somebody else's character is, he can make dramatic tension).
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