As a lawyer I really appreciate this. Sam protects his client, makes sure he doesn’t get in trouble, and then aggressively advocates for him. It’s perfect representation.
@@yarrrthekraken It's a deposition. Sam says correctly that the other guy can try to cite them for contempt, but even with that there's nothing that stops them from walking out.
Throwing a folder onto the table and claiming it's something important is an old trick. You can't react because you don't know what you're reacting to. Sam is waiting for him to show his cards not just claim them. Good writing.
Yes. And Sorkin wrote the use of that trick into a Newsroom episode. They know that Leona's son has hacked Will's phone. Bluff they have the proof in a folder on the table. Then record his admission. Now they have proof.
In real life, Claypool would have gone to jail for a few weeks or months for illegally obtaining medical records according to HIPAA regulations. The staffer who leaked the information should have served the maximum sentence of one year in federal prison. Leo hiring her back was a sentimental touch, but she should have suffered the consequences for leaking classified information especially since she was stone cold sober.
Sam Seaborn is a very controlled but extremely passionate and incredibly skilled person. You don't want to make an enemy of him and have him come after you with all the legal tools at his disposal especially in defense of those he considers family. He will go scorched earth on your ass...
Tell him that he is is violation of HIPPA, and tell him you'll answer the question after he is charged with illegally obtaining private medical records.
@@MtotheFourthPower Actually, that is exactly how it works. Unless Leo signed a document stating that law firm had access to his medical information, they have no right to it. Pay and compensation, yes. That's public information, but not his personal medical records. Hell, even within an organization, medical information is strictly controlled. For instance if you have a medical issue that you have to take time off work for, but do NOT want the entire company to know about? It stays in HR. If it does not, they can fire whomever in HR leaked it because they broke the law.
What is the problem with someone going to rehab. It simply means they had a problem and they sought professional help. That by anyone’s standard is someone you trust. The ones you do not trust are the ones who do not admit their problem and the ones who do not seek help.
@@glenndallas7171 Only just saw this. That is the question I was raising. I am fully aware the Republicans wanted to use it politically. The question is why it is seen as a stigma that Leo previously had a prescription drug addiction. If it was not seen as a stigma the Republicans could not have used it. BTW this question is largely rhetorical- because to me the answer is Leo’s past addiction to prescription drugs and the fact he is a recovering alcoholic is not an issue. After all one of my country’s most popular Prime Ministers (Bob Hawke) was a probably a recovering alcoholic. He had given up the grog by the time he became PM. But prior to that he was well known as a heavy drinker, and at one time he was in the Guinness Book of Records for a beer drinking feat. Edit Just checked- while he was at Oxford he drank a yard of beer in 11 seconds ( which was the record fastest at the time)
good acting ....question is not answerable under same set of laws. It can be argued that he invalidated or weakened his own inquiry by asking that question, knowing that it was illegally obtained. David he is good at it, huh!!!
What phishing means? Definitions: A technique for attempting to acquire sensitive data, such as bank account numbers, through a fraudulent solicitation in email or on a web site, in which the perpetrator masquerades as a legitimate business or reputable person.
If the information was obtained illegally, wouldn't Josh answering any questions about such information either confirming or denying it construe aiding and abetting?
Hands down, This series is THE most misunderstood. Too many people from one side of bipartisan politics only see what they want. This is an idealized concept of "the perfect moderate leaning left" Administration, with a POTUS (Bartlet) embodying a marriage of the best aspects of Carter, Reagan, FDR, and Teddy Roosevelt with a smattering of Lincoln. Bartlet was written to be more subtle with it, but he was as "scorched earth" with those that were too left as he was with those too right on the spectrum.. and too many miss it because they only want to see and hear what they want. For example... it goes over everyone's heads that this "investigation" is going the same route as one against the POTUS right now. I didn't vote for him.. but I don't have partisan blinders on either so I can see it.
@@bluekitty3731 Please... what is happening is not going to be what you "true Blue Democrats" pretend it is. The Dossier.. the Jan. 6th "insurrection" myth.. the "rape allegations"... Stormy's Big Surprise that also never happened... none of it is going to happen. No.. what hasn't aged well is every time "we've got Trump".. when you voted for (historically proven with video footage even...) THE man who is the lying racist predator you project onto Trump. P.S. _ the reason Maxwell's List has never been released is either Joe, Hunter, or both of them are on it!!
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Trump is a grifter criminal you delusional fascist clod.
Sorry, but Rob Lowe can't play tough. Just can't. Neither can the guy who is Josh Lyman. I remember the one episode where he tried to tough talk some senator from Wisconsin while he was wearing Ferris Bueller glasses. Just can't pull it off.
He may not be who you want in a dark alley fight, but if the world of politics, you'd want no one else in your corner than Sam the Man and J. Their loyalty to each other is what makes them such great characters.
It's the visible fury of the nice guy that is really intimating. It isn't a man defending his boss, but a son defending his father.
Beautifully put. One of the many great moments.
As a lawyer I really appreciate this.
Sam protects his client, makes sure he doesn’t get in trouble, and then aggressively advocates for him. It’s perfect representation.
Not really. You can't refuse to answer questions like that, or walk out
@@yarrrthekraken jeepers, bother to know the terms of the formal body your in. Eejit.
@@yarrrthekraken It's a deposition. Sam says correctly that the other guy can try to cite them for contempt, but even with that there's nothing that stops them from walking out.
@@yarrrthekraken You have a problem with it? Cite him for contempt...
You would be beyond lucky if you had a friend HALF as loyal and compassionate as Sam Seaborn is to Josh.
Or Josh and Sam are to Leo
That loyalty is earned. Long and hard.
Throwing a folder onto the table and claiming it's something important is an old trick. You can't react because you don't know what you're reacting to. Sam is waiting for him to show his cards not just claim them. Good writing.
Yes. And Sorkin wrote the use of that trick into a Newsroom episode. They know that Leona's son has hacked Will's phone. Bluff they have the proof in a folder on the table. Then record his admission. Now they have proof.
Sam Seaborn my favorite character in West Wing.
In real life, Claypool would have gone to jail for a few weeks or months for illegally obtaining medical records according to HIPAA regulations. The staffer who leaked the information should have served the maximum sentence of one year in federal prison. Leo hiring her back was a sentimental touch, but she should have suffered the consequences for leaking classified information especially since she was stone cold sober.
But it happens a lot and no one damn well gets consequences.
lmao that is absolutely not how HIPAA works.
Obtained illegal information is not criminal for the lawyer so long as they don’t solicit or drive the illegal activity
@@recalef Right, but it's Claypool. I wouldn't be surprised if he charmed Karen into getting him dirt.
This is...patently false.
Sam Seaborn is a very controlled but extremely passionate and incredibly skilled person. You don't want to make an enemy of him and have him come after you with all the legal tools at his disposal especially in defense of those he considers family. He will go scorched earth on your ass...
the *GREATEST* show in the _HISTORY_ of television
By far.
Tell him that he is is violation of HIPPA, and tell him you'll answer the question after he is charged with illegally obtaining private medical records.
Fruit of the Poisonous Tree.
That... or he's bluffing.
Exactly.
That's not how HIPAA works...
@@MtotheFourthPower Actually, that is exactly how it works. Unless Leo signed a document stating that law firm had access to his medical information, they have no right to it. Pay and compensation, yes. That's public information, but not his personal medical records.
Hell, even within an organization, medical information is strictly controlled. For instance if you have a medical issue that you have to take time off work for, but do NOT want the entire company to know about? It stays in HR. If it does not, they can fire whomever in HR leaked it because they broke the law.
He looks so much like a cool Clark Kent or Atticus Finch!
You know, I'm pretty sure he believed Sam down to his toes.
Woah looks like Malory's got a badass big brother and one hell of a boyfriend in Josh and Sam.
What is the problem with someone going to rehab. It simply means they had a problem and they sought professional help. That by anyone’s standard is someone you trust. The ones you do not trust are the ones who do not admit their problem and the ones who do not seek help.
The problem wasn't that Leo went to rehab. It's that the Republicans wanted to use the stigma against addiction/going to rehab to ruin Leo's career.
Glenn Dallas It was addressing the fact that the creator of the show was doing hard drugs.
America never lets anyone off the hook.
@@lizziebkennedy7505 Yes - that is the problem isn’t it - that drug addiction is seen as a stigma even if you are a recovering addict
@@glenndallas7171 Only just saw this. That is the question I was raising. I am fully aware the Republicans wanted to use it politically. The question is why it is seen as a stigma that Leo previously had a prescription drug addiction. If it was not seen as a stigma the Republicans could not have used it.
BTW this question is largely rhetorical- because to me the answer is Leo’s past addiction to prescription drugs and the fact he is a recovering alcoholic is not an issue. After all one of my country’s most popular Prime Ministers (Bob Hawke) was a probably a recovering alcoholic. He had given up the grog by the time he became PM. But prior to that he was well known as a heavy drinker, and at one time he was in the Guinness Book of Records for a beer drinking feat.
Edit Just checked- while he was at Oxford he drank a yard of beer in 11 seconds ( which was the record fastest at the time)
Great simile
good acting ....question is not answerable under same set of laws. It can be argued that he invalidated or weakened his own inquiry by asking that question, knowing that it was illegally obtained. David he is good at it, huh!!!
Of course we know how irrelevant the rehab information can be; the past is not the present nor is it a reliable predictor of the future.
Wouldn't him having the records invalidate the whole case as fruit of the poisonous tree?
In a criminal case yes. In a congressional or a civil investigation no.
@richardcarlson127 not entirely accurate. Medical records obtained illegally are still protected.
i was sam for halloween my senior year
That actor conducting the deposition always plays low-life characters in all his roles.
David Tingwald except when he was a regular on the west wing
Sorry, not west wing but Miami vice
Gilroy in The Shield.
He was also a good guy on the military team in the Stargate movie
Stripes- he joined the Army so he wouldn't be drafted. D.I. replies " Son, there ain't no draft anymore."
Does anyone happen to know which season and episode this is from?
Larry Zito! John Diehl should have been around longer on Miami Vice.
He got bored with always being a minor character. Can't blame him.
If a document was obtained illegally you are not obligated to address that document.
That's Cruiser from the movie Stripes.
What phishing means?
Definitions: A technique for attempting to acquire sensitive data, such as bank account numbers, through a fraudulent solicitation in email or on a web site, in which the perpetrator masquerades as a legitimate business or reputable person.
If the information was obtained illegally, wouldn't Josh answering any questions about such information either confirming or denying it construe aiding and abetting?
I believe the answers would be stricken/ignored, because the evidence was obtained illegally, similar to a coerced confession
Look where we are? Down that hole. I would claim years looking for the least cause.
What did the delay achieve?
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nope stop walk out call a judge report it as a crime .............................!
No one in the room committed a crime.
This is what happens when you hire Paris Geller.
But he's not even Mexican
true, but I believe he met his fate in Mexico via “The Shield”
Hands down, This series is THE most misunderstood. Too many people from one side of bipartisan politics only see what they want. This is an idealized concept of "the perfect moderate leaning left" Administration, with a POTUS (Bartlet) embodying a marriage of the best aspects of Carter, Reagan, FDR, and Teddy Roosevelt with a smattering of Lincoln. Bartlet was written to be more subtle with it, but he was as "scorched earth" with those that were too left as he was with those too right on the spectrum.. and too many miss it because they only want to see and hear what they want.
For example... it goes over everyone's heads that this "investigation" is going the same route as one against the POTUS right now. I didn't vote for him.. but I don't have partisan blinders on either so I can see it.
Well this didn't age well.
@@bluekitty3731 Please... what is happening is not going to be what you "true Blue Democrats" pretend it is. The Dossier.. the Jan. 6th "insurrection" myth.. the "rape allegations"... Stormy's Big Surprise that also never happened... none of it is going to happen.
No.. what hasn't aged well is every time "we've got Trump".. when you voted for (historically proven with video footage even...) THE man who is the lying racist predator you project onto Trump.
P.S. _ the reason Maxwell's List has never been released is either Joe, Hunter, or both of them are on it!!
Trump is a grifter criminal you delusional fascist clod.
A cheap hack.
Should have charged Josh with assault right there
You need to toughen up
Yeah, but then they have to explain how they got Leo's medical records in violation of HIPAA.
What bullshit.
Sorry, but Rob Lowe can't play tough. Just can't. Neither can the guy who is Josh Lyman. I remember the one episode where he tried to tough talk some senator from Wisconsin while he was wearing Ferris Bueller glasses. Just can't pull it off.
Josh Lyman was played by Bradley Whitford.
He's extremely tough in HIS environment. LAW.
Yeah, sounds like unclematt3 thinks physical is the only way to be tough.
that's like, your opinion, man. you don't get it.
He may not be who you want in a dark alley fight, but if the world of politics, you'd want no one else in your corner than Sam the Man and J. Their loyalty to each other is what makes them such great characters.
Rob Lowe acting tough? Naahh. Doesn't work.
Why would they be? They’re lawyers dude not exactly MMA fighters.