Did the Apostles Really Die As Martyrs?-Sean McDowell | AMP 2019
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Well done, Sean! Your contribution to the cause of Christ with this lecture has helped me tremendously over the past year.
This was great! Thank you
Fantastic presentation!
Great video
Wish I could "thumbs up" this more than once.
Yes, and another good one to those that say it was all made up/hoax is that no one willingly dies for a known lie.
@River Scott "Look into military and/or espionage history for plenty of people who died for what they knew to be a lie."
Not really. In such cases, people might die while propagating a lie but they are dying for something they think greater, something they think justifies the lie. They also do not die in a situation in which telling the truth could save them.
I would also add there is a strong historical / church history that Matthew wrote his gospel. So it doesn't matter how he died - there's 1 more.
The student will not be greater than the teacher..and that's why you shouldn't expect Jesus to come before tribulation to gather His followers quietly only to return with a shout seven years later..we are in end times and you need to prepare yourselves to live as the disciples did..we will not be raptured first..we will be persecuted for His namesake "but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." (Matthew 24:13) Figured it was a good place to put that as I study..because why would now be any different than then..
The John 17
In John 17 Jesus is praying about two groups.
From John 17:6-19 it is speaking of the disciples.
Then what do we read?
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
--(About that second group in the same chapter we read as follows)....
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
--SOUND FAMILIAR? Well when we study and rightly divide, and when we use the instructions we are given in Isaiah 28:9-10 as to HOW we come to understand doctrine, then as we let GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR it becomes crystal clear:
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YE MAY BE (see above John 17:24). 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
(THEN WE READ-same chapter)
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. (SEE ABOVE, JOHN 17:21)
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
JESUS CLEARLY PRAYED FOR THE DISCIPLES “NOT” TO BE TAKEN FROM THE WORLD,...
BUT HE CLEARLY PRAYS THAT THISE WHO BELIEVED THROUGH THE DISCIPLES MESSAGE BE TAKEN TO WHERE HE IS WHICH MATCHES WITH JOHN 14 WHICH IS ABOUT THE RAPTURE.
IS THE WORD RAPTURE IN THE BIBLE?
The word Rapture, ...do you know where it came from and what it means? Let me show you how the word RAPTURE became affiliated with a BIBLICAL thing:
The verse:
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
--THE PHRASE “CAUGHT UP” comes from the ORIGINAL Greek word (from the Greek New Testament Manuscript) HARPAZO.
What does HARPAZO MEAN?
◄ 726. harpazó ►
Strong's Concordance
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Definition: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Usage: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.
HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō - properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively - like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force
THE SAME WORD HARPAZO was translated in the SAME CONTEXT as 1 Thessalonians 4:17 in the following verses:
PAUL WRITES:
2 Corinthians 2: 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO) to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;). 4 How that he was CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO) into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
--THE SAME WORD IS ALSO USED IN THE FOLLOWING VERSE IN THE SAME CONTEXT:
Acts 8:36-40 King James Version (KJV)
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord CAUGHT AWAY (HARPAZO) Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
---THE SAME WORD IS ALSO USED IN THE FOLLOWING VERSES IN THE SAME CONTEXT:
Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO) unto God, and to his throne.
--IF YOU KNOW about History, you understand that for a while, ROME made it so that the forced upon language was LATIN. For a while ROME did not allow people to have a Bible and for a while ROME had the LATIN VULGATE as the preferred Bible.
Now we know that it was GOD who changed the languages. And we know that words change depending on the Language and also the tense (past, present, future)....
-So when we look at the ORIGINAL word HARPAZO, from the New Testament Greek manuscripts from which the New Testament was translated from and we see what the Latin Vulgate for example has for the verses above (when we search what HARPAZO was translated to in the LATIN), what do we see?
1 Thessalonians 4:17 (VUL) deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul RAPIMUR (HARPAZO) cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus
Revelation 12:5 et peperit filium masculum qui recturus erit omnes gentes in virga ferrea et RAPTUS (HARPAZO) est filius eius ad Deum et ad thronum eius
2 Corinthians 12:4 quoniam RAPTUS (HARPAZO) est in paradisum et audivit arcana verba quae non licet homini loqui
2 scio hominem in Christo ante annos quattuordecim sive in corpore nescio sive extra corpus nescio Deus scit RAPTUM (HARPAZO) eiusmodi usque ad tertium caelum
NOW LET US TRANSLATE RAPTUS TO ENGLISH (FROM LATIN)...
First the meaning of the LATIN word RAPTUS:
raptus, raptus [m.] U Noun
Translations
violent snatching or dragging away
robbery
carrying off
abduction
NOW LOOK AT THE MEANING OF HARPAZO (original Greek)-
◄ 726. harpazó ►
Strong's Concordance
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Definition: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Usage: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.
HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō - properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively - like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force
AND WHAT IS THE LATIN WORD RAPTUS IN ENGLISH?
translate.yandex.com/?lang=en-la&text=rapture
According to the above translation link, Rapture in the English is translated to RAPTUS in the Latin.
Now depending on the tense (past, present, future), you will get a Latin variation (RAPTUS, RAPMUR, RAPTUM, etc....)
THE WORD HARPAZO IS IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK MANUSCRIPT.
THE WORD RAPTUS is in the Latin.
And when we translate HARPAZO to straight English, we get CAUGHT UP OR CAUGHT AWAY.
WHEN WE TRANSLATE HOWEVER FROM LATIN TO ENGLISH WE GET RAPTURE.
It IS Biblical.
To learn more about the RAPTURE rightly divided I recommend the following series on the Rapture starting with WHAT IS THE RAPTURE.
Rapture Series Part ONE: WHAT IS THE RAPTURE?(scroll down past the still image for the video) www.godtube.com/watch/?v=1M110CNU
Rapture Series Part TWO: RAPTURE VS SECOND COMING. ua-cam.com/video/xtaayL34q0Y/v-deo.html
Rapture Series Part THREE: Pretribulation Rapture. ua-cam.com/video/biANvTxoCgc/v-deo.html
Rapture Series part FOUR: Why I CANNOT believe in a Post Tribulation Rapture (according to the Word of God) ua-cam.com/video/kk301-98Cdg/v-deo.html
Rapture Series Part 5: “WHY I CANNOT BELIEVE IN A MID-TRIBULATIONAL RAPTURE.
ua-cam.com/video/gfHazmg8T9k/v-deo.html
EXCLUSIVE PROMISES TO THE CHURCH:
1.) Redeemed by Jesus blood, (Ephesians 1:7).
2.) Crowns, (1 Corinthians 9:25, 2 Timothy 4:8, James 1:12, 1 Peter 5:4).
3.) To be clothed in white Raiment.
4.) To be joint heirs with Christ, seated on the throne.
5.) To be made Kings and Priests and to reign, (Revelation 1:5-6, Revelation 20:6).
6.) To be kept from the hour of temptation, (Revelation 3:10).
7.) Judgement first BEGINS at the house of God, when these things BEGIN to come to pass look up, HIDDEN MANNA is an OVERCOMER REWARD....
Why is RAPTURE a biblical thing when the word is not found in the Bible?
That blessed event many know as the Rapture was spoken of in scripture, it is a Biblical event.
When we are asked from others why the word "Rapture" is not in the Bible, we have to understand how to respond, because it is a Biblical topic and nothing in scripture is written as unimportant or idle....
2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
One of the main Rapture verses came from the Apostle Paul:
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
------This blessed event is to be a COMFORT to believers, but it has turned into something that causes such division among the Body of Christ.
The word HARPAZO which is the original Greek word found in the original Greek manuscript means as follows:
726. harpazó ►
Strong's Concordance
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Definition: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Usage: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.
HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō - properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively - like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force ...
WHEN we take the Greek HARPAZO and translate it to English, we get CAUGHT UP, or CAUGHT AWAY, depending on the tense used.
----It is the same word used in the following verses in the same context:
2 Corinthians 12:2-4 King James Version (KJV)
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO) to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO) into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
----WE ALSO READ:
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord CAUGHT AWAY (HARPAZO) Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
----AND WE ALSO READ:
Revelation 12:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was CAUGHT UP (HARPAZO) unto God, and to his throne.
---NOW THE GREEK New Testament Manuscript was as you know translated into various languages. For a while the Latin Vulgate was the only version allowed.
What follows is the Latin Vulgate translation of the above verses that have Harpazo in them, however translated in the Latin:
[VUL - Latin Vulgate]
1 Thessalonians 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul RAPIEMUR (HARPAZO) cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus
2 Corinthians 12:2 2 scio hominem in Christo ante annos quattuordecim sive in corpore nescio sive extra corpus nescio Deus scit RAPTUM (HARPAZO) eiusmodi usque ad tertium caelum
2 Corinthians 12:4 quoniam RAPTUS (HARPAZO) est in paradisum et audivit arcana verba quae non licet homini loqui
Revelation 12:5 et peperit filium masculum qui recturus erit omnes gentes in virga ferrea et RAPTUS (HARPAZO) est filius eius ad Deum et ad thronum eius
----Depending on the tense, we find that the word HARPAZO from the original Greek New Testament Manuscript, was translated to RAPIEMUR, RAPTUM OR RAPTUS in the Latin Vulgate (Latin translation of the Bible), and the root word RAPTUS when translated to English (from Latin), becomes RAPTURE (see screen shot image)...
The word Rapture comes from the Latin translation of a biblical word and event (Harpazo). Although the word "Rapture" is not found in the English translation of our Bible, it comes from the Latin version of the Bible that was for a time the only version allowed.
When we take the Greek HARPAZO and translate it to straight English (bypassing the Latin), we get CAUGHT UP OR CAUGHT AWAY. However, when we take the Greek HARPAZO and translate it to Latin, depending on the tense we will get one of the variations of the Latin word RAPTUS again depending on the tense. And when we take the Latin word Raptus and translate it to straight English (from the Latin), that is where we get the word RAPTURE. Linguistics can be tricky in that even our names will change depending on what language it is spoken in....Jesus name in the Hebrew is Yeshua.
PRETRIBULATION PROOF
Let God be true and every man a liar...(Roman's 3:4)....
Did you know that in the Old Testament "24" was used to describe a GROUP of people LARGER than 24?
24 was used in the Old Testament TWICE to represent a LARGER group:
1.) King David divided the Levitical priesthood into 24 orders, (1 Chronicles 24:3-5). Each order represented the entire priestly tribe and the whole nation of Israel as it functioned before God.
2.) In 1 Chronicles 25 King David did a similar dividing into 24 of the singers and musicians who would perform worship in the Temple. There were 288 musicians total and King David had them divided into 24 divisions, so similar to the previous chapter, 24 symbolizes the whole group.
Now I want to show you something....
In the prophetic book of Revelation (which literally means UNVEILING), we see a group described as "24 Elders" in heaven BEFORE Jesus opens the first seal (Rev. 4 & 5).
Now I hear people try to say that the 24 Elders are simply the 12 original Apostles/Disciples of the Lord and the 12 Original sons of Jacob from where the 12 Tribes of Israel came from....
Two scriptural facts debunk that:
1.) The Disciples were Jews, NOT out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation....the sons of Jacob (Jacob was Isaac’s son, Isaac was Abraham’s son) were Hebrew, as the Bible makes clear that Abraham was called a Hebrew in Genesis 14:13, and even Joseph-one of the 12 Tribes was also referred to as a Hebrew in Genesis 39:14.
2.) The Bible states clearly that NO ONE but Jesus has ascended up to heaven but He that came from heaven; and Hebrews 11 makes clear that even those of Old Testament times to whom the promises were made (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. SHALL NOT be made perfect without us (Church). Romans 8 states that we shall be GLORIFIED TOGETHER. So keep that in mind when you read that there is a group in heaven clothed in white raiment (glorified), crowned and seated on the throne at rest; singing about being redeemed by Jesus blood out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation.
The Jewish apostle and 12 Sons of Jacob were NOT “out of every kindred, tongue people and nation".
We cannot ignore that the group in Revelation 4 & 5 describes themselves as "out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation" which has ALWAYS been a LARGE group in scripture.
REMEMBER:
24 was used in the Old Testament TWICE to represent a LARGER group:
1.) King David divided the Levitical priesthood into 24 orders, (1 Chronicles 24:3-5). Each order represented the entire priestly tribe and the whole nation of Israel as it functioned before God.
2.) In 1 Chronicles 25 King David did a similar dividing into 24 of the singers and musicians who would perform worship in the Temple. There were 288 musicians total and King David had them divided into 24 divisions, so similar to the previous chapter, 24 symbolized the whole group.
In their description, EVERYTHING we read about the 24 Elders are things ONLY promised to the CHURCH.
The 24 Elders are crowned with GOLD KINGLY CROWNS OF SALVATION -see Rev. 4.....(now read 2 Timothy 4:8, Psalm 21:1-7)....
The 24 Elders are clothed in white Raiment and seated at rest in the throne with Jesus in their midst (overcomer promises from Jesus HIMSELF-Rev. 3:5, 3:21 ), ....
You must understand that the Bible interprets itself. We learn what an OVERCOMER is in the Holy Word and truth:
1 John 5:4-5 (KJV)
4 For whatsoever is BORN OF GOD overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?
An OVERCOMER is a born again believer in Christ.
The 24 Elders in Rev. 4 & 5 sing in the FIRST PERSON PLURAL (we, our, us) even in the original manuscripts; and they describe themselves as REDEEMED BY JESUS BLOOD, OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, TONGUE, PEOPLE AND NATION;
They also sing about being made KINGS AND PRIESTS and about REIGNING. (All exclusively promised ONLY to the Church).
Now, what is the original Greek word translated to "ELDER" in the Original language and it's meaning?
An ELDER of which Peter called himself one (1 Peter 5),...is as follows:
HELPS Word-studies
4245 presbýteros - properly, a mature man having seasoned judgment (experience); an elder.
Therefore an "Elder" is a mature person having experience to judge.
Remember that as we grow in Christ we go from milk to meat in our understanding. Babies start off on formula, then as they mature they can drink milk, then eat solids. Our walk with Christ is one of growth and even in our understanding of the meat of the word we do grow and mature.
WHO is promised to JUDGE WITH CHRIST according to the word?
1 Corinthians 6:2 (KJV)
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? .....
Jude. 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
WE MUST STAND ON THE TRUTH OF THE WORD-RIGHTLY DIVIDED. WE MUST FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS IN ISAIAH 28:9-10 WHICH IS "HOW" SCRIPTURES MAKES CLEAR WE ARE TO UNDERSTAND DOCTRINE.
Again-keep in mind that the BIBLE which is truth makes clear that WE SHALL BE GLORIFIED TOGETHER (Roman's 8:16-18).....and that no one from Old Testament times of which the promises were first made [Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc.], shall be made perfect (glorified) without us. (Hebrews 11:39-40).
That group in Rev. 4 & 5 can ONLY be (according to the WORD AND TRUTH), no one else BUT THE FAITHFUL CHURCH. If you do not argue against what the WORD OF GOD (JESUS) Himself shows us in the REVELATION (unveiling) OF JESUS CHRIST, you can see the truth of it.
THE FAITHFUL CHURCH shall be in heaven, joint heirs with Christ BEFORE Jesus opens that first seal.
In the first seal, it is JESUS HIMSELF (while He is in heaven) who unleashes that crowned rider in Rev. 6 at the START of that 7 year period, that has the GREAT TRIBULATION IN IT.
Jesus unleashes the Antichrist (the only one who shall have a KINGDOM on earth during that 7 year period that has the great tribulation in it, is the Antichrist), Jesus Millennial Kingdom is after that time... -
THE ANTICHRIST KINGDOM is comprised of the false prophet, the antichrist, the dragon, the 10 kings who shall give the Antichrist their power and he in turn makes them part of his antichrist kingdom, and MYSTERY BABYLON.
Jesus ALONE is worthy to open those seals, and it is only after His bride is up safely, seated on the throne with Jesus in her midst (Rev. 4&5), ....that Jesus unleashes the Antichrist (first seal) in his full conquering power, in order for him to CONFIRM (magnify/strengthen) THE covenant with MANY, which begins that 7 year period.
Jesus unleashes the Antichrist only after the Church is in heaven, because judgement FIRST BEGINS in the HOUSE OF GOD.
Then the Antichrist CONFIRMS THE COVENANT WITH MANY (which begins that 7 year period that this Antichrist figure will break-3 1/2 years AFTER he confirms it)....
JESUS HIMSELF shows us a pre-tribulation always Rapture by presenting the Church in her position of inheritance and promise in Revelation 4 & 5.
Family of Christ, of all the warnings in scripture, one of the most serious FROM JESUS HIMSELF is against those who take away or add to what REVELATION says:
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
IF HAVING YOUR PART TAKEN OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE FOR TAKING AWAY FROM WHAT IS IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION, MEANS THAT YOUR NAME SHALL NOT BE FOUND IN THAT BOOK....PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR ETERNAL PORTION SHALL BE FOR HAVING TAKEN OUT OF WHAT IS IN THE BOOK WE ARE TO RECEIVE BLESSINGS FOR HEARING AND READING....
Revelation 20:15 (KJV)
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT BELIEVE ALL THAT THE WORD OF OF GOD HAS SAID?
So we ought to carefully study and rightly divide especially what is in Revelation. And we are to let the Holy Bible interpret itself.
We are to FEAR GOD, which is the BEGINNING of wisdom...AND let GOD be true and EVERY man-no matter the bells and whistles or outward appearance of righteousness any man carries, if what you want is what came from God, STAND FIRM nothing wavering on what God said, studied and rightly divided-in the manner we are told to study in Isaiah 28:9-10
oh my word is the voice at the beginning Joy Clarkson?!?!?!?
No, that is our fantastic Ministry Care Associate Manager's voice!
@@RTB_officialhaha, ok thank you! it sounds a lot like Joy and I believe she was an undergrad at Biola - she has a podcast now and loves to speak so I wondered if it might be her!
The story about the martyrdom of the apostles is not the central theme of the Gospel.
You can’t take “vociferous notes”.
wonderful sermon but please mind your hand sign. Thankyou !
wu wu lol I saw that
I'm pretty sure when Tacitus talks about the Christians confessing he's talking about confessing to starting the fire. It's either dishonest, or lazy deduction skills, or motivated reasoning to state otherwise. We can be reasonably sure that they believed in Jesus but I don't see how renouncing said belief would get them off the hook for arson.
Actually, the Christians were not prosecuted for arson under Nero. They were persecuted for belong to a certain group that Nero blamed for arson - so the confessing definitely refers to their confession to be Christians. A bit like if the US jails or kills al-Kaida members despite them not having been part of 9/11. Whether renouncing Christ could get you off the hook under Nero I do not know - but that is certain how it was done under Trajan, as shown by his exchange of letters with Pliny the Younger.
apologetic nonsense. too much special pleading. using 2nd century writings is not "evidence". this can be dismissed as hearsay. citing the writings of josphus is also quite dishonest as many scholars believe these writings to be later interpolations. we have no idea if any of the apostles were even asked to recant their faith upon their deaths. we have no written testimony of the original 12 apostles. I find it very strange that jesus had thousands of followers and, yet not one single contemporary historian recorded anything about his life, miracles, death and resurrection.
Josephus has been academically examined along with an Arabic translation which differs on a few key phrases and the understanding is that the Josephus copies we have are correct except a few interpolations that made it seem he believed in Christianity. Take those interpolations out and you still have Josephus reporting that Christians themselves believed it.
There was not one bit of special pleading involved but sound logic and evidence. And yes, we do have written testimony at least of Peter (his 1st letter is uncontroversial) as well as of Paul, though he was not part of the Twelve.
You can say "yet not one single contemporary historian recorded" only by first rejecting all contermporary historians.
@@str.77 how can you say that there is no special pleading? the bible alludes to the deaths of james, peter, judas. as to the other nine nobody knows how they died or if they even had the opportunity to recant their faith. without evidence you have speculation which is special pleading. how have i rejected all contemporary historians when not a single one recorded these events. you do understand what contemporary means?
@@SuperSglenn I still don't see any special pleading. The video accurately relates whether and when we have sources about when an apostles died. The Bible is not the be all, end all of this. He hibestly states if we have no information or extremely shaky one (e.g. Bartholomew). You might disagree with his assessment or dating but how is this special pleading?
@@SuperSglenn Contemporary means at the same time. You can only say no historian if you reject the gospels and Josephus. Unless you take the word on such an extreme sense that "contemporaneous" would be more appropriate. But then I must ask you, whether you make the sane demands of other events. How about rejecting information about Alexander the Great, Hannibal or the reigns of many Emperors? Keep also in mind that Judea was a backwater province that was of little interest to those outside - how much less a small sect in that country? Even Josephus, a native, would not have come to write his huge work about it had it not been for the war. Finally, most ancient writings are lost.