By far THE best video I have watched to date on Revelation and the Day of the Lord. I have Christians in my life who, when asked if they’ve read the Book of Revelation, say, “No. It’s too scary. I’d rather not know.” What?!? If you don’t learn this, you put yourself at massive risk to The Mark and Satan’s schemes during the end times. I became a believer 2/2024. I can’t put the Bible down. I hunger for God’s Word. Ache for it. I began on page 1. Study Bible with lots of commentary to help you think through scripture. Eschatology study is my greatest hunger. David, your lectures are my favorite. You articulate and present with such grace, directness, and wisdom. I will share this video over and over. Thank you.
Brilliant in clarity & teaching. The use of Charts and Details covering the Beginning of Birth Pangs, The Great Tribulation, and the Day of the Lord, superimposed into the Timelines, to dispel errors and and to bring forth the truths from the Bible is breath-takingly clear. Thank you so much for your presentation here.
I've never encountered someone who teaches about the day of the Lord as effectively as you do. I thank God for granting you the wisdom and insight into His Word. Your approach to Bible teaching, rightly dividing the Word of God with collaborating scriptures, is truly exemplary. You are a blessing to the body of Christ.
To GOD ALONE be the glory! I have studied the Scriptures with Bro Rosenthal and it's true that the rapture will occur sometime before the Wrath of God is poured out at the opening of the 7th seal! We true believers, if we are still alive and remain, will be caught up to meet Jesus in the middle of the air, but the dead IN Christ will be resurrected first and we will ALL receive our resurrection bodies! Hallelujah!
I will be praying for you in your talk with your pastor. Don’t let him tell you that this is a message for the Jewish people because it says in Daniel it’s called the time of Jacob’s trouble! Remember in the same book of Daniel it says that the anti Christ will make war with the saints and prevail against us. I was forced to switch my theology from pre tribulation to post tribulation/pre wrath about 4 years ago. I have been trying to tell as many believers as I can to get ready for what the Bible says will take place , with mixed results. I have not had much luck with pastors it seems they teach them in Bible colleges how to not take what the scriptures clearly and plainly state but to trust in men who wrote books on the topic.
I’ll be praying for you. All of my friends think I’m a heretic. Even my family. It’s the correct view. I’m certain. The pretrib view is American Dream escapist theology unfortunately.
I just finished your study on the 6 proofs of a pre-wrath rapture, I really appreciated it. The timelines make more sense than anything I've ever studied
There is no rapture at all. Your just cherry picking different verses trying to assemble a brand new Lincoln Continental from discarded junk yard auto parts!!!!!
For sure those days at that time will be shortened during the cosmic disturbance! Sun goes black, moon drips down in blood, and the stars fall----yes, that will DEFINITELY shorten the days, glory to God!!! If I'm still living when that time comes, I will be shouting HALLELUJAH when Jesus returns to rapture us out of here!!!
Excellent presentation. I've been tracking with the timing of the rapture, as I've used the term, COINCIDES with the sealing of the 144K, God has ALWAYS had a witness on the earth since FATHER Abraham, and as the witness of the church is removed, it's replaced by the 144K. What is mind blowing to me is the hostility and ultra dogma of most of the pretrib crowd, as if ANY notion or suggestions of otherwise is a blatant blasphemy and insult to them. Durst not mention it at church! 😮😳
Thank you for your contribution to eschatology. When I was questioning the pre tribulation views in bible college, it was Marvin Rosenthal`s book that helped me to transition to a pre wrath position. Since then I have refined my understanding as to the seals and trumpets and the timing of the Day of the Lord. First I believe the sealed scroll relates to Daniel`s sealed scroll that would be opened at the time of the end. And it is Jesus after his ascension to the throne of God breaks the seals and set in motion God`s will for human history that begins the birth pangs. You say that birth pangs do not last 2000 years. But nor do they last 3 1/2 years. Remember 1000 years is as a day to God. I would certainly agree that the 70th week is experiencing the intense culmination of birth pangs. Also you show the valid correlation of Jesus outline in Matthew 24 and the seals of Revelation. Although you ended your teaching before the trumpet call, you need to be consistent in seeing John`s trumpets follow the same sequence as taught in Matthew 24. The rapture occurs after the trumpet call and just before the wrath. The confusion comes from seeing a vision of the raptured saints at the throne of God before the 7th seal of 7 trumpets is opened. The solution is that the vision is a prefiguring and foreseeing the logical outcome of the sealing of the bond servants of God, both the 144000 Jews and the innumerable saints in heaven. But the consequence of the sealing does not occur until after the trumpets. It is similar to the 6th trumpet foreseeing the outcome of the armies gathering at the Euphrates which is realized in the 6th bowl when the river is dried up. I have learned a lot from Zion`s Hope and others in synthesizing my own views.
The 7 trumpets are angelic trumpets. It's God's Trump at the resserction. The wrath of God comes at the cosmic signs when the last martyr is killed at the 5th seal.
#Zion's Hope, I'm with you and appreciate all of your teachings. Still, I have a question. How will we definitely know when we enter into the 7-year period? To be more specific, if we look around now, it looks like we have already entered into those 7 years as all of the first 4 seals are occurring right now and have been for decades and centuries. How will "then" look different from "now"? There must be some other kind of marker to indicate that we've entered into that time period, right? So, what are we to be looking for specifically? Furthermore, in what condition is the earth when the 7 years begin? Will we be living in a NWO Communistic society worldwide when the AC rises up and opposes the NWO? This would certainly explain the falling away first and then the AC coming on the scene being then possessed by Satan. If the AC rises up as a man who acts as a deliverer, no wonder so-called believers will fall away. He will then be shot, if you will, around the 3.5 mark. But he will recover miraculously by the empowering of Satan. At that point, those who are in the know will recognize that he is the prophesied AC (1st beast).
Dear Taylor King, we will know when we enter into the 7 year period when the antichrist and restored Israel signs a 7 year covenant which the antichrist will break in the middle at the 3 1/2 point! Please read Daniel 9:24, 25,26 and 27! At this writing, all of this happens in the future but how long in the future only Jesus knows!❤
Do you think, the covenant of peace made with Isreal which triggers the 70 th week to begin, we will be aware of it clearly? Like will it be a big deal or something very hard to know if it's happened?
We may have an idea, but until the abomination of desolation takes place, that is the confirmation of who he is. I think along with the beginning of sorrows, we'll have a pretty good idea of who it is. But if it were absolutely known, then the people living in Judea in Matthew 24:15-16 could take off much sooner. Wouldn't need to rush.
I don't think this should be presented as the rapture of "the Church" because, it will include OT believers, prophets and everyone that believes in Yeshua. I think it would be correct to say " resurrection & rapture" of all who believe. I do believe, King David will be there, Moses will be there Joshua will be there and all the rest. The way you stated "The Rapture of the Church" plays to replacement theology. What we know as the NT Church thinks they are the only ones going. They mix-up tribulation and wrath to justify being taken out before the tribulation time comes. We will have trials and tribulation but the wrath of God is not upon us. Tribulation is mentioned 13 times in NT and none of them say anything close to n/a to Church people. Just my opinion, back it up with your own study. Tp
The "church" is a wordthat should not be in the Bible. The word church is a middle age English word that evolved from a late 3rd early 4th century greek word kyriosdoma, which translates to Lord's house. The word ekklesia (Greek for "called out ones") was a common word used by Jews and used by the Rabbis in the LXX. The jews knew what the word ekklesia meant and they knew it referred to all those called out from darkness in old Testament and new testament times. Old Testament Saints are those that lived by faith in God and new testament saints are those that live by faith in God. It is one body of believers from all of human history. The ekklesia is not replacing Israel. The ekklesia are the natural branches of Israel and the wild branches of Gentiles. We, the ekklesia, are all one in Christ through faith.
For those questioning David's take on the timing of the rapture (and resurrection of the dead in Christ), consider this... The disciples asked Jesus 'What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?' In his answer, Jesus listed, in order, a dozen or so events that had to happen culminating in the darkening of the sun and moon and the falling of the stars just prior to his appearance on the clouds. Then in Revelation, Jesus showed John a similar list of events in the form of two visions... Rev chapters 6-11 and Rev chapters 12-14. Two visions of the same time frame from two different perspectives (heaven, then Earth). Here's a comparison of Matthew and the two visions of Revelation: Event Matt Revelation (2 visions, same events) False Christs 24:46:113:8 (1st Seal) Wars 24:66:313:7 (2nd Seal) Famines, Earthquakes, Pestilence 24:76:5-8 13:16 (3rd & 4th Seals) Persecution, Martyrdom 24:96:913:10-15 (5th Seal) False prophets 24:1113:11-14 Gospel to all nations 24:1414:6 Abomination of Desolation 24:1512:6 Flee Judea 24:1612:6-17 Beginning of 'great distress' 24:2112:7 Days 'cut short' 24:22 Sun & moon darkened, stars fall 24:296:12 (6th Seal) Jesus' 2nd Coming (on the clouds) 24:306:1514:14 (6th Seal) Gathering of the elect (Rapture) 24:317:2-14 14:15 (6th Seal) --- Start of God's Wrath (Days of Noah) 24:378:1-5 (7th Seal) Temple opened (indicates the end of each vision) 11:1915:5 Overview of Revelation: Beginnings of birth pains 6:1-8 (Seals 1-4) Abomination of Desolation Great Tribulation (persecution of Jews & Christians) 6:9-11 (5th Seal) Second Coming 6:12-17 (6th Seal) God's Wrath starts Chapters 8-11 (7th Seal, Trumpets 1-7) Second vision (pause to recap Great Tribulation) Chapters 12-14 God's Wrath concludes Chapters 15-16 (Bowls 1-7) Twice, Jesus told us that the gathering of the elect (144,000, Resurrection of the Dead, Rapture of living believers) would occur sometime after the Abomination of Desolation and immediately after the signs in the sun, moon, and stars. Paul also said the gathering would happen after the Abomination of Desolation in 2 Thes 2:3-4. It seems Jesus twice gave us a chronological list of events leading to the sign of his coming and the start of God's wrath. If so, the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls occur sequentially, and a Resurrection of the Dead/Rapture, at the 6th Seal when Jesus first appears in the clouds, occurs just prior to God's wrath being poured out in the form of Trumpets and Bowls.
DOTL - Hebrew and Greek Exact Phrase Verses There have been so many claims, points, doctrines, positions expressed on the Day of the Lord, I thought it would be good to even test my own position against what the verses that expressly stated DOTL in the Hebrew and Greek. I will admit a couple of my thoughts went down the drain. While no damage to my overall beliefs on the issue, there was change. I used the Interlinear to search out the Hebrew and Greek. In the Hebrew the term DOTL is "hwhy ewy" and in the Greek is "hmera kuriou" as used in the Interlinear data base. These are the verses where the exact term DOTL is used: Isaiah 13: 6 Joel 1: 15 Joel 3: 14 Amos 5: 18 Amos 5: 20 Zephaniah 1: 7 Zephaniah 1: 14 Malachi 4: 15 1 Thessalonians 5: 2 2 Peter 3: 10
A lot of people wonder if a 3rd temple is necessary. I've heard people say the 3rd temple is the body of believers and the abomination of desolation is the apostasy and great falling away in people's heart and spirit. An intriguing idea, but I think Revelation 11 and Zechariah 14:16-21 show a physical 3rd temple will be standing in end times. Jesus will reign from this temple in the millennium and people will bring gifts to this temple.
The problem with the pre wrath cut short idea is this. The beast of Revelation 13 is given authority for 42 months. This must start at the point that the abomination is set up, which is the mid point of the 70 week. i.e at the end of the first 1260 days (3.5 years -42 months) So now the specific persecution and martyrdom comes upon the saints as spoken of in Daniel:7:21-25 which is exactly the same as we read in Revelation 13:5. There we read that 42 months or Time times half a time or 1260 days or 3.5 years is the specific time given for the beast (the 4th) to overcome the saints of the most high. Now either there is a contradiction and this designated time of 42 months given for the beast to reign, persecute and kill the saints is wrong or the cut short teaching is wrong. Here is the resolve. Cut short doesn't mean the tribulation is cut short it means it wont go any further than the alloted time given. That is why we read in Matt 24:29-31 "Immediately after the tribulation of those day" After means after. What happens after? The cosmic catastrophy (sun-moon darkened and stars fall) Then Jesus comes, to gather His elect the dead rising first.
5th Trumpet in Revelation 9 lasts for 5 months. So we know there is at least that much time inbetween the 6th seal in Revelation 6, which matches the Day of the Lord descriptions in Matthew 24 and Joel 2:31, and then the return of Christ in Revelation 19.
Sun moon and stars turning dark (not falling).. as Signs in the sun, the moon, and also in the stars, as per Luke 21:25. And we can also read on from there. I have always taken these as part of the days of sorrows before Christ returns in judgement. And to look up when such things Begin to happen. So after those days of particular listed trials, the dead in Christ rises first in effect as God promised resurrection for all believers, then those who are alive and remaining would be caught up to join them in heaven AFTER that (AND AFTER or possibly/probably as soon as, the confirming of the AC man of sin is revealed when he gets cut off and possessed from perdition around the midway point of his leadership).. so some of us -- by a mystery rapture Jesus had also mentioned in passing -- may yet be given to escape the attacks that man of sin will launch out prevailing over God's tribulation period saints new and old come Rev 13th chapter !?! Rev 13 comes only After all the tribulation seals (waxing worse and worse unto martyrdom) are permitted by the hand of God whereby Christ is the One who opens those seals one by one, BUT no further, no more held back return wrath judgements after the bowls of his indignation gets filled with that reserved for the trampling of unholy evildoers.. wild grapes, come the time of His Harvest in Rev 14. Until then, just a reminder the Lord has warned us not to be after more miracle/magic signs than that as that evil one will be given powers to perform miracles/tricks and by bewitching and peace shall he deceive many. Stick close to Jesus and we'll be alright.
Wow you really seem to know your stuff. That's great. I have heard an interesting interpretation before that the reason the sun and moon is darkened is because of smoke on the ground from the earth blocking out the sun. Just something interesting i heard before. I have some thoughts on the identity of the beast that continues the 42 months that might help you further understand.
QUESTION 🙋♀️ Do you think the 2 WITNESSES get RAPTURED with all other believers, or do they have a separate resurrection? And how does this line up with Jn6:39,40,44,54 KJV where Jesus said he shall raise ALL believers “on the last day” (and that must include the 2 witnesses)?
The rapture belief (potentially just for a few who make it, or as God wills) is not about a death and resurrection. Yes certainly God would resurrect us after death from this earthly life, just as He (Jesus) made the way being the Lord of The Resurrection; who was, who is, and is to come, already risen the 2nd Adam for us. Have you not read the book for yourself? The 2 witnesses are from before the Lord and they get killed for their evangelistic ministry back to Israel, shortly whenever that be, but shall be risen when called back up before all eyes. And so when Jesus returns stepping back there, all 144,000 symbolised remnant of israelites out of the tribulation will grieve in conviction for their disbelief, and be saved.
There are two groups that John sees in revelation. Some that are beheaded and martyred. But also at the seventh seal when he seals the 144000 He sees a group that just appears. in heaven They get a crown of righteousness. No longer shall the sun scorch them ( a group that may be outdoors ). No longer shall they thirst and hunger ( they can’t buy or sell ). And their tears will be wiped away. They shall before the throne of God for eternity
Jesus said He already accomplished Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy: Luke 18:31 KJV Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and *all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.* Luke 24:44 KJV And he said unto them, …. *all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.* If He's right, then Daniel 9:27 is all about Messiah and not an AC. Dan 9:27 KJV And *he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:* Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, *_This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many._* Romans 15:8 KJV …. *_Jesus Christ_* was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, *_to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:_* (Dan 9:27 cont'd) and in the midst of the week *he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,* Hebrews 10:12 KJV … *_he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,_* … Hebrews 10:10 KJV … we are sanctified through *_the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all._* (Dan 9:27 cont'd) and for the… overspreading of abominations *he shall make it desolate,* even until the consummation, and *that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.* Matthew 23:37-38 KJV *O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,* _thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee_ ... [38] *_Behold, your house is left unto you desolate._*
Sorry David, but the signs at the 6th seal and Joel 2:31 simply are not the same as the signs in Matthew 24. At the 6th seal sign, the sun appears black as sackcloth (made from the hair of black goats) and the moon appears as blood. Note carefully that in both cases, the sun and the moon, they must be VISIBLE. How would anyone know the sun was black unless that SAW the sun? How would anyone know the moon appeared red unless they SAW a blood moon. Bottom line is, but the sun and moon are VISIBLE here. Second, this sign for the coming Day of the Lord will be seen after that rapture, and is written in Revelation 6, which on John's timeline will be a few days before the 7th seal which will begin the time of Jacob's trouble or the 70th Week of Daniel. On the other hand, Matthew 24 tells us the sun and moon are darkened. With this English word, we might wonder, HOW MUCH darkened? We need only to look at the Greek word behind "darkened." The Greek word, is "skotizō." Strong tells us... 1. to cover with darkness, to darken 2. to be covered with darkness, be darkened ...A. We are talking about the sun and moon, so 2A is our best definition. If the sun and moon are deprived of light, it is speaking of total darkness. In fact, I have heard several pre-wrath teachers speak of the sign of Christ's coming to Armageddon as the sign of total darkness. Let's talk about the TIMING of this sign. Jesus said it would be "after the tribulation of those days." So where is this on John's timeline? The tribulation or 70th week goes from chapter 8 to chapter 16 in Revelation, so "after the tribulation" would be any time between the 7th bowl and His coming as shown in Rev. 19. When we consider TIME, the 7th bowl will be poured out over seven years AFTER the opening of the 6th seal. ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given timeline is immediately suspect and will be proven wrong.
By far THE best video I have watched to date on Revelation and the Day of the Lord. I have Christians in my life who, when asked if they’ve read the Book of Revelation, say, “No. It’s too scary. I’d rather not know.”
What?!? If you don’t learn this, you put yourself at massive risk to The Mark and Satan’s schemes during the end times.
I became a believer 2/2024. I can’t put the Bible down. I hunger for God’s Word. Ache for it. I began on page 1. Study Bible with lots of commentary to help you think through scripture. Eschatology study is my greatest hunger. David, your lectures are my favorite. You articulate and present with such grace, directness, and wisdom. I will share this video over and over. Thank you.
Praise God for men who love and fear the Word of God.
Brilliant in clarity & teaching. The use of Charts and Details covering the Beginning of Birth Pangs, The Great Tribulation, and the Day of the Lord, superimposed into the Timelines, to dispel errors and and to bring forth the truths from the Bible is breath-takingly clear. Thank you so much for your presentation here.
I've never encountered someone who teaches about the day of the Lord as effectively as you do. I thank God for granting you the wisdom and insight into His Word. Your approach to Bible teaching, rightly dividing the Word of God with collaborating scriptures, is truly exemplary. You are a blessing to the body of Christ.
Great presentation David! Loved the illustrations and you only mentioned 'planet' once - lol. Blessings...
To GOD ALONE be the glory! I have studied the Scriptures with Bro Rosenthal and it's true that the rapture will occur sometime before the Wrath of God is poured out at the opening of the 7th seal! We true believers, if we are still alive and remain, will be caught up to meet Jesus in the middle of the air, but the dead IN Christ will be resurrected first and we will ALL receive our resurrection bodies! Hallelujah!
Halleluyah!
Revelation 6:16? Matt.24? The wrath of the Lamb is a description of the Jewish apocalypse from 70 a d. Nothing to do with 21st century anybody!!!!!
I'm confused, is he saying we should be expecting the Rapture any day now, or a few years have to pass first, sorry, I don't get it😢
The clearest explanation on this difficult subject. Thank you
AMAZING timing! I'm about to present the Pre-Wrath view to our executive pastor, and this video is most helpful! Thank you so much!!!
I will be praying for you in your talk with your pastor. Don’t let him tell you that this is a message for the Jewish people because it says in Daniel it’s called the time of Jacob’s trouble! Remember in the same book of Daniel it says that the anti Christ will make war with the saints and prevail against us.
I was forced to switch my theology from pre tribulation to post tribulation/pre wrath about 4 years ago. I have been trying to tell as many believers as I can to get ready for what the Bible says will take place , with mixed results. I have not had much luck with pastors it seems they teach them in Bible colleges how to not take what the scriptures clearly and plainly state but to trust in men who wrote books on the topic.
I’ll be praying for you. All of my friends think I’m a heretic. Even my family. It’s the correct view. I’m certain. The pretrib view is American Dream escapist theology unfortunately.
I just finished your study on the 6 proofs of a pre-wrath rapture,
I really appreciated it. The timelines make more sense than anything I've ever studied
There is no rapture at all. Your just cherry picking different verses trying to assemble a brand new Lincoln Continental from discarded junk yard auto parts!!!!!
@@davidwoods6015you do not believe we will meet Jesus in the air?
For sure those days at that time will be shortened during the cosmic disturbance! Sun goes black, moon drips down in blood, and the stars fall----yes, that will DEFINITELY shorten the days, glory to God!!! If I'm still living when that time comes, I will be shouting HALLELUJAH when Jesus returns to rapture us out of here!!!
So, are we looking for the Rapture any day, or waiting right before the wrath of God?
This channelisnew to me. So far, it's been really good.
Trust in the Lord. This is still His planet we are His people
I am enjoying the teaching. Thank you so much!
Great teaching Thank you so much. God bless
Amen, maranatha
Excellent presentation. I've been tracking with the timing of the rapture, as I've used the term, COINCIDES with the sealing of the 144K, God has ALWAYS had a witness on the earth since FATHER Abraham, and as the witness of the church is removed, it's replaced by the 144K.
What is mind blowing to me is the hostility and ultra dogma of most of the pretrib crowd, as if ANY notion or suggestions of otherwise is a blatant blasphemy and insult to them. Durst not mention it at church! 😮😳
I enjoy your teachings, along with those of Charles Cooper and Alan Kurschner.
Thank you for your contribution to eschatology. When I was questioning the pre tribulation views in bible college, it was Marvin Rosenthal`s book that helped me to transition to a pre wrath position. Since then I have refined my understanding as to the seals and trumpets and the timing of the Day of the Lord. First I believe the sealed scroll relates to Daniel`s sealed scroll that would be opened at the time of the end. And it is Jesus after his ascension to the throne of God breaks the seals and set in motion God`s will for human history that begins the birth pangs. You say that birth pangs do not last 2000 years. But nor do they last 3 1/2 years. Remember 1000 years is as a day to God. I would certainly agree that the 70th week is experiencing the intense culmination of birth pangs. Also you show the valid correlation of Jesus outline in Matthew 24 and the seals of Revelation. Although you ended your teaching before the trumpet call, you need to be consistent in seeing John`s trumpets follow the same sequence as taught in Matthew 24. The rapture occurs after the trumpet call and just before the wrath. The confusion comes from seeing a vision of the raptured saints at the throne of God before the 7th seal of 7 trumpets is opened. The solution is that the vision is a prefiguring and foreseeing the logical outcome of the sealing of the bond servants of God, both the 144000 Jews and the innumerable saints in heaven. But the consequence of the sealing does not occur until after the trumpets. It is similar to the 6th trumpet foreseeing the outcome of the armies gathering at the Euphrates which is realized in the 6th bowl when the river is dried up. I have learned a lot from Zion`s Hope and others in synthesizing my own views.
Agreed
The 7 trumpets are angelic trumpets.
It's God's Trump at the resserction. The wrath of God comes at the cosmic signs when the last martyr is killed at the 5th seal.
To say the seven trumpets mirror the seven seals is your BELIEF and is not the flow of Revelation
Thank you!
Thank you David, a great man of GOD.
I'm wondering if there's any teaching on the Two Witnesses as they would be a part of Daniel 70th week.
#Zion's Hope, I'm with you and appreciate all of your teachings. Still, I have a question. How will we definitely know when we enter into the 7-year period? To be more specific, if we look around now, it looks like we have already entered into those 7 years as all of the first 4 seals are occurring right now and have been for decades and centuries. How will "then" look different from "now"? There must be some other kind of marker to indicate that we've entered into that time period, right? So, what are we to be looking for specifically?
Furthermore, in what condition is the earth when the 7 years begin? Will we be living in a NWO Communistic society worldwide when the AC rises up and opposes the NWO? This would certainly explain the falling away first and then the AC coming on the scene being then possessed by Satan. If the AC rises up as a man who acts as a deliverer, no wonder so-called believers will fall away. He will then be shot, if you will, around the 3.5 mark. But he will recover miraculously by the empowering of Satan. At that point, those who are in the know will recognize that he is the prophesied AC (1st beast).
Dear Taylor King, we will know when we enter into the 7 year period when the antichrist and restored Israel signs a 7 year covenant which the antichrist will break in the middle at the 3 1/2 point! Please read Daniel 9:24, 25,26 and 27! At this writing, all of this happens in the future but how long in the future only Jesus knows!❤
@@jayonnaj18 amen
Do you think, the covenant of peace made with Isreal which triggers the 70 th week to begin, we will be aware of it clearly? Like will it be a big deal or something very hard to know if it's happened?
We may have an idea, but until the abomination of desolation takes place, that is the confirmation of who he is. I think along with the beginning of sorrows, we'll have a pretty good idea of who it is. But if it were absolutely known, then the people living in Judea in Matthew 24:15-16 could take off much sooner. Wouldn't need to rush.
I don't think this should be presented as the rapture of "the Church" because, it will include OT believers, prophets and everyone that believes in Yeshua. I think it would be correct to say " resurrection & rapture" of all who believe. I do believe, King David will be there, Moses will be there Joshua will be there and all the rest. The way you stated "The Rapture of the Church" plays to replacement theology. What we know as the NT Church thinks they are the only ones going. They mix-up tribulation and wrath to justify being taken out before the tribulation time comes. We will have trials and tribulation but the wrath of God is not upon us.
Tribulation is mentioned 13 times in NT and none of them say anything close to n/a to Church people. Just my opinion, back it up with your own study. Tp
The "church" is a wordthat should not be in the Bible. The word church is a middle age English word that evolved from a late 3rd early 4th century greek word kyriosdoma, which translates to Lord's house. The word ekklesia (Greek for "called out ones") was a common word used by Jews and used by the Rabbis in the LXX. The jews knew what the word ekklesia meant and they knew it referred to all those called out from darkness in old Testament and new testament times. Old Testament Saints are those that lived by faith in God and new testament saints are those that live by faith in God. It is one body of believers from all of human history. The ekklesia is not replacing Israel. The ekklesia are the natural branches of Israel and the wild branches of Gentiles. We, the ekklesia, are all one in Christ through faith.
For those questioning David's take on the timing of the rapture (and resurrection of the dead in Christ), consider this...
The disciples asked Jesus 'What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?' In his answer, Jesus listed, in order, a dozen or so events that had to happen culminating in the darkening of the sun and moon and the falling of the stars just prior to his appearance on the clouds.
Then in Revelation, Jesus showed John a similar list of events in the form of two visions... Rev chapters 6-11 and Rev chapters 12-14. Two visions of the same time frame from two different perspectives (heaven, then Earth).
Here's a comparison of Matthew and the two visions of Revelation:
Event Matt Revelation (2 visions, same events)
False Christs 24:4 6:1 13:8 (1st Seal)
Wars 24:6 6:3 13:7 (2nd Seal)
Famines, Earthquakes, Pestilence 24:7 6:5-8 13:16 (3rd & 4th Seals)
Persecution, Martyrdom 24:9 6:9 13:10-15 (5th Seal)
False prophets 24:11 13:11-14
Gospel to all nations 24:14 14:6
Abomination of Desolation 24:15 12:6
Flee Judea 24:16 12:6-17
Beginning of 'great distress' 24:21 12:7
Days 'cut short' 24:22
Sun & moon darkened, stars fall 24:29 6:12 (6th Seal)
Jesus' 2nd Coming (on the clouds) 24:30 6:15 14:14 (6th Seal)
Gathering of the elect (Rapture) 24:31 7:2-14 14:15 (6th Seal)
--- Start of God's Wrath (Days of Noah) 24:37 8:1-5 (7th Seal)
Temple opened (indicates the end of each vision) 11:19 15:5
Overview of Revelation:
Beginnings of birth pains 6:1-8 (Seals 1-4)
Abomination of Desolation
Great Tribulation (persecution of Jews & Christians) 6:9-11 (5th Seal)
Second Coming 6:12-17 (6th Seal)
God's Wrath starts Chapters 8-11 (7th Seal, Trumpets 1-7)
Second vision (pause to recap Great Tribulation) Chapters 12-14
God's Wrath concludes Chapters 15-16 (Bowls 1-7)
Twice, Jesus told us that the gathering of the elect (144,000, Resurrection of the Dead, Rapture of living believers) would occur sometime after the Abomination of Desolation and immediately after the signs in the sun, moon, and stars. Paul also said the gathering would happen after the Abomination of Desolation in 2 Thes 2:3-4.
It seems Jesus twice gave us a chronological list of events leading to the sign of his coming and the start of God's wrath. If so, the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls occur sequentially, and a Resurrection of the Dead/Rapture, at the 6th Seal when Jesus first appears in the clouds, occurs just prior to God's wrath being poured out in the form of Trumpets and Bowls.
DOTL - Hebrew and Greek Exact Phrase Verses
There have been so many claims, points, doctrines, positions expressed on the Day of the Lord, I thought it would be good to even test my own position against what the verses that expressly stated DOTL in the Hebrew and Greek.
I will admit a couple of my thoughts went down the drain. While no damage to my overall beliefs on the issue, there was change.
I used the Interlinear to search out the Hebrew and Greek. In the Hebrew the term DOTL is "hwhy ewy" and in the Greek is "hmera kuriou" as used in the Interlinear data base. These are the verses where the exact term DOTL is used:
Isaiah 13: 6
Joel 1: 15
Joel 3: 14
Amos 5: 18
Amos 5: 20
Zephaniah 1: 7
Zephaniah 1: 14
Malachi 4: 15
1 Thessalonians 5: 2
2 Peter 3: 10
A lot of people wonder if a 3rd temple is necessary. I've heard people say the 3rd temple is the body of believers and the abomination of desolation is the apostasy and great falling away in people's heart and spirit. An intriguing idea, but I think Revelation 11 and Zechariah 14:16-21 show a physical 3rd temple will be standing in end times. Jesus will reign from this temple in the millennium and people will bring gifts to this temple.
Just can't see an event only the Father knows occurring at "specific' time frame as you describe
The problem with the pre wrath cut short idea is this. The beast of Revelation 13 is given authority for 42 months. This must start at the point that the abomination is set up, which is the mid point of the 70 week. i.e at the end of the first 1260 days (3.5 years -42 months) So now the specific persecution and martyrdom comes upon the saints as spoken of in Daniel:7:21-25 which is exactly the same as we read in Revelation 13:5. There we read that 42 months or Time times half a time or 1260 days or 3.5 years is the specific time given for the beast (the 4th) to overcome the saints of the most high. Now either there is a contradiction and this designated time of 42 months given for the beast to reign, persecute and kill the saints is wrong or the cut short teaching is wrong. Here is the resolve. Cut short doesn't mean the tribulation is cut short it means it wont go any further than the alloted time given. That is why we read in Matt 24:29-31 "Immediately after the tribulation of those day" After means after. What happens after? The cosmic catastrophy (sun-moon darkened and stars fall) Then Jesus comes, to gather His elect the dead rising first.
5th Trumpet in Revelation 9 lasts for 5 months. So we know there is at least that much time inbetween the 6th seal in Revelation 6, which matches the Day of the Lord descriptions in Matthew 24 and Joel 2:31, and then the return of Christ in Revelation 19.
Sun moon and stars turning dark (not falling).. as Signs in the sun, the moon, and also in the stars, as per Luke 21:25. And we can also read on from there.
I have always taken these as part of the days of sorrows before Christ returns in judgement. And to look up when such things Begin to happen.
So after those days of particular listed trials, the dead in Christ rises first in effect as God promised resurrection for all believers, then those who are alive and remaining would be caught up to join them in heaven AFTER that (AND AFTER or possibly/probably as soon as, the confirming of the AC man of sin is revealed when he gets cut off and possessed from perdition around the midway point of his leadership).. so some of us -- by a mystery rapture Jesus had also mentioned in passing -- may yet be given to escape the attacks that man of sin will launch out prevailing over God's tribulation period saints new and old come Rev 13th chapter !?!
Rev 13 comes only After all the tribulation seals (waxing worse and worse unto martyrdom) are permitted by the hand of God whereby Christ is the One who opens those seals one by one, BUT no further, no more held back return wrath judgements after the bowls of his indignation gets filled with that reserved for the trampling of unholy evildoers.. wild grapes, come the time of His Harvest in Rev 14.
Until then, just a reminder the Lord has warned us not to be after more miracle/magic signs than that as that evil one will be given powers to perform miracles/tricks and by bewitching and peace shall he deceive many. Stick close to Jesus and we'll be alright.
Wow you really seem to know your stuff. That's great. I have heard an interesting interpretation before that the reason the sun and moon is darkened is because of smoke on the ground from the earth blocking out the sun. Just something interesting i heard before. I have some thoughts on the identity of the beast that continues the 42 months that might help you further understand.
QUESTION 🙋♀️ Do you think the 2 WITNESSES get RAPTURED with all other believers, or do they have a separate resurrection? And how does this line up with Jn6:39,40,44,54 KJV where Jesus said he shall raise ALL believers “on the last day” (and that must include the 2 witnesses)?
The rapture belief (potentially just for a few who make it, or as God wills) is not about a death and resurrection.
Yes certainly God would resurrect us after death from this earthly life, just as He (Jesus) made the way being the Lord of The Resurrection; who was, who is, and is to come, already risen the 2nd Adam for us.
Have you not read the book for yourself? The 2 witnesses are from before the Lord and they get killed for their evangelistic ministry back to Israel, shortly whenever that be, but shall be risen when called back up before all eyes. And so when Jesus returns stepping back there, all 144,000 symbolised remnant of israelites out of the tribulation will grieve in conviction for their disbelief, and be saved.
There are two groups that John sees in revelation. Some that are beheaded and martyred. But also at the seventh seal when he seals the 144000 He sees a group that just appears. in heaven They get a crown of righteousness. No longer shall the sun scorch them ( a group that may be outdoors ). No longer shall they thirst and hunger ( they can’t buy or sell ). And their tears will be wiped away. They shall before the throne of God for eternity
Jesus said He already accomplished Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy:
Luke 18:31 KJV
Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and *all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.*
Luke 24:44 KJV
And he said unto them, …. *all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.*
If He's right, then Daniel 9:27 is all about Messiah and not an AC.
Dan 9:27 KJV
And *he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:*
Mark 14:24
And he said unto them, *_This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many._*
Romans 15:8 KJV
…. *_Jesus Christ_* was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, *_to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:_*
(Dan 9:27 cont'd)
and in the midst of the week *he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,*
Hebrews 10:12 KJV
… *_he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,_* …
Hebrews 10:10 KJV
… we are sanctified through *_the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all._*
(Dan 9:27 cont'd)
and for the… overspreading of abominations *he shall make it desolate,* even until the consummation, and *that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.*
Matthew 23:37-38 KJV
*O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,* _thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee_ ...
[38] *_Behold, your house is left unto you desolate._*
So what’s your point?
Sorry David, but the signs at the 6th seal and Joel 2:31 simply are not the same as the signs in Matthew 24. At the 6th seal sign, the sun appears black as sackcloth (made from the hair of black goats) and the moon appears as blood. Note carefully that in both cases, the sun and the moon, they must be VISIBLE. How would anyone know the sun was black unless that SAW the sun? How would anyone know the moon appeared red unless they SAW a blood moon.
Bottom line is, but the sun and moon are VISIBLE here.
Second, this sign for the coming Day of the Lord will be seen after that rapture, and is written in Revelation 6, which on John's timeline will be a few days before the 7th seal which will begin the time of Jacob's trouble or the 70th Week of Daniel.
On the other hand, Matthew 24 tells us the sun and moon are darkened. With this English word, we might wonder, HOW MUCH darkened? We need only to look at the Greek word behind "darkened." The Greek word, is "skotizō." Strong tells us...
1. to cover with darkness, to darken
2. to be covered with darkness, be darkened
...A.
We are talking about the sun and moon, so 2A is our best definition. If the sun and moon are deprived of light, it is speaking of total darkness. In fact, I have heard several pre-wrath teachers speak of the sign of Christ's coming to Armageddon as the sign of total darkness.
Let's talk about the TIMING of this sign. Jesus said it would be "after the tribulation of those days." So where is this on John's timeline? The tribulation or 70th week goes from chapter 8 to chapter 16 in Revelation, so "after the tribulation" would be any time between the 7th bowl and His coming as shown in Rev. 19. When we consider TIME, the 7th bowl will be poured out over seven years AFTER the opening of the 6th seal.
ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given timeline is immediately suspect and will be proven wrong.
Ehat do you believe Johns Gid given timeline is?