Wouldn't it be fantastic if we could have a movie made by those historian biographers who have drilled into these massive personalities? I always loved the Digby from the movie AB2 far. Thank you for expanding on this brilliant leader of men!
Digby was one of these eccentric British officers whose appearance belied a good, capable officer & a fierce fighter...they are men who other men will follow into battle any time, anywhere...
I had this book pre-ordered and it is a gorgeous thing, loaded with photographs of DT-W and his friends and family. Digby’s role in keeping the evaders safe after the withdrawal from Arnhem features in “The Grey Goose of Arnhem” by Canadian CanLoan officer Leo Heaps. It’s my favourite SWW book (so far).
English (Lancashire and west Yorkshire): habitational name from Tatham in Lancashire. The placename derives from the Old English personal name Tāta (from an obsolete element meaning 'joyful' compare Old Norse teitr) + Old English hām 'village homestead'.
I mean this with all respect, but it seems that this man would have made a great addition to the Monty Python's Flying Circus crew. The Bowler Hat and the Umbrella are perfect examples of the British love of the absurd that brings a smile or earns a wry look from there fellows and in the process garners respect. As a soldier, I would have followed such an officer into the gates of Hades without question. I appreciated that Neil Thornton has shown us a glimpse of the real person. Well presented and informative. The artwork is superb without a doubt as well.
Tatham Warter was inspiring his troops in the traditional role of a British officer of the Napoleonic wars who would have been armed with a sword largely for appearances.
I believe that Tatham-Warter was the inspiration for Percy "Pinky" Pinkerton from the Marvel Comic Group's Sgt. Fury and his Howlin' Commandos. I'll watch the episode in its entirety to see if you discuss it here.
To the best of my knowledge, my dad was First Canadian Army (Head Quarters) active service May 1944-May1946 Canada. United Kingdom. European Theatre. (Discharged). A TB patient, he spent 7 years in the saskatoon San. My dad has always been my hero; A true survivor. He never told me about his service over seas & i regret that i never asked him about his experiences as a canadian soldier fighting in ww2. RIP Pete (1924 - 2001) There are amazing photos in his WW2 album. Some have the location in the back, in no specific order& off the top of my head - Paris, Arnhem, Aurich, Cologne, Nijmegan, Nordendey Island & there are many photos that he never wrote their location. I'm just learning WW2 history @ 57. This! Should be taught in Canadian high schools. A picture a sign "Shilo" . A small note book No. 11Trg B.N. No. 6 Cdn Inf Trg Rgmt C.A.O. Trying to trace his footsteps is proving difficult, if only he could've/would've lived to see his 100th & i would have asked him about the battles and the soldiers he's photographed with. Welcoming any input, thanks for hearing me.
Howdy folks. An amazing but well-documented tale of bold decisions by a great character who was a more than competent combat leader. Incredible that this was Digby’s first and only action.
"Major Carlisle" also had elements of a Royal Engineer officer (Captain Mackie/MacKay?), or was at least given a paraphrase of his retort when asked to accept surrender.
Great spot; you're asolutely right. The surrender scene is described in detail in the book and the similarities between that and Mackay's actual experience of the German offer of 'surrender' is well covered.
I haven't finished the video yet but I do want to make a comment. I've always felt that the men who carry some kind of affectation into battle, whether it's British officers not ducking or flinching, or Digby carrying an umbrella, or the Commando with the bagpipes in that raid on Norway, I've always felt that the highest ranking of those men, such as Patton with his riding crop are probably doing it to get noticed and for some measure of ego. Whereas men in the lower ranks, lower ranking officers and so forth who are doing that kind of thing, are more likely doing it to inspire the men that they lead. The difference is very much if you're at a rank where you're liable to get shot at, then you're doing it for bravery and thinking that if your men see you walking around with an umbrella or carrying the bagpipes then they'll know that you're brave and they can be brave too. If you're ranked high enough where you're no longer in personal danger, then that can no longer be your motivation. This is just one man's thoughts on the matter.
What a great video! This will help me alot with my documentary about Market Garden. The debunked myths i had a facts in my script. Glad i you guys sat down with eachother and blessed us with this information! 👍
Future program suggestions: panel discussion on William Shirer’s opus; latest research on the Nuremberg Trial & executions ; latest bio of Martin Bormann… All your programs are top notch; many remerciements!
I hope this story is true but since it's about an old fashioned gentleman's outfitters in Glasgow many years ago, it probably isn't. Apparently this chap entered the emporium desirous of purchasing an umbrella. The assistant offered him an absolutely gorgeous umbrella, brass ferrule, hand stitched leather handle, the works. 'But how,' asked the potential customer, 'will I ever manage to roll it up again after I've opened it? I've never seen an umbrella rolled up so tightly in my life!' Seemingly perplexed, the shop assistant asked, 'But why would you want to open it sir?' 'Obviously' replied the customer, 'if it comes on to rain.' 'Ah yes, sir,' replied the assistant. 'In that case, step directly to the edge of the pavement, raise the umbrella to the horizontal over the road and shout Taxi!' That's a Tatham-Warter for you, if you like.
Just a quick word of thanks for you're very illuminating shows.....History will live so long as People like you are around.....Re Arnhem....I have always thought the blame for the failure of the Battle to be laid firmly at the RAF's door....I will make an assumption here that the movie highlights this failure when the Met Officer is confronted at the briefing with the question as to why the DZ was some 8 miles from the Bridge....in the movie the RAF met Officer explains that there is a Luftwaffe airfield located in such a place as to preclude a dz closer to the Bridge. In September 1944, the Allies could have put a taxi rank of Tempests and Typhoons over any particular location they wanted, so, why was the RAF not able to put a serious crimp in any German Airfield in Western Europe anytime they wished, to shut down this obstacle and allow a dz closer to Arnhem to be utilized. Thankyou again for being you. Best regards from Downunder.
You can add in Brereton and Williams for blame. Brereton and Williams refused to allow double missions flown on day one. The RAF even told Brereton they could fly double missions on day one but Brereton would not allow this and his insisted that all three Airborne Divisions must have dispersed drops over a number of days. There were also poor decisions within British 1st Airborne. Richard Gale, commander of British 6th Airborne Division, felt Roy Urquhart was too meek in going along with the RAF's choice of drop/landing zones and said he should have resisted "to the point of resignation".
You inadvertently answered a question I long had about the proper pronunciation of Major Freddy Gough's name. According to you, it rhymes with "cough", not "dough".
Just found your channel. Love your content. You deserve more attention, more viewers! Is it possible suggesting or asking questions what i wanted to know about ww2 anything? i mean really anything?? Even i am not a pateron? I have thousands of things concering ww2 in may head.
@@WW2TV Thank you! Like i said i have thousands of things around in my head, the list would be too long, haha, but i need to start somewhere. so here i go. 1) What was the role of the GeFPo= Geheime Feldpolizei, secret military police during ww2? It can be said the Gestapo was most civil sector and the GeFPo was the military Gestapo. But how is that, the GeFPo is almost never discused? 2) USA did produced guns, tanks, airplanes, and whatever made out of steel. Where does this iron to produce these things came from? USA only? How many millions of iron did the USA need to prdocue all this during ww2? And how many profit gained the american companies producing all this for ww2? 3) Why are the nazi german oil plans rarley discussed? If it comes to the caucasus it is sometimes mentioned the Nazis wanted to reach Baku, but never the plan was to go to Iran and Iraq. There was a reason for the anglo-soviet Invasion of Iran during ww2. The middle east theater generally during ww2 seems to be overlooked. Maybe because not much fightings happend there. Its mentioned Stalindgrad and El Alamein were a turning point, because the german nazis had to retreated, but never mentioned the Nazis wanted to go to the oilfields of Iraq from Northen Africa and South-Sovietunion. If they could hold Iraq is a what if question, well they never made it there. In my opinion it is a overlooked apsect of nazi ww2 plans, altough it is a never carried out plan, because the axis were stopped by Allies. 4) What are the reaons the soviets failed to conquer all of Finland in the winter war? And last and finally 5) Why is that Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg is almost unknown in the USA? I think it is better since the movie with Tome Cruise, but i bet it stilly like much unknown? Which lets to another question, the National Kommitee Freies Deutschland is often overlooked aswell as the Strafdivison 999. The impacts maybe little to stopf the nazis, but it is a subject which could be shown more in documentaries or disccussions. Especially to Americans.
I love reading and watching about Arnhem I always woindered what would have happned if they had gone for one bridge at a time. Land on the frrst bridge and advance to that, and then land on the second bridge and advance to that. And then to the third bridge and advcnace to that. The Germans would be kept on the hop
Probably the most famous umbrella in military history.
Wouldn't it be fantastic if we could have a movie made by those historian biographers who have drilled into these massive personalities? I always loved the Digby from the movie AB2 far. Thank you for expanding on this brilliant leader of men!
Great example where reality is more fascinating than the myth. Thank you for this presentation
Digby was one of these eccentric British officers whose appearance belied a good, capable officer & a fierce fighter...they are men who other men will follow into battle any time, anywhere...
I had this book pre-ordered and it is a gorgeous thing, loaded with photographs of DT-W and his friends and family. Digby’s role in keeping the evaders safe after the withdrawal from Arnhem features in “The Grey Goose of Arnhem” by Canadian CanLoan officer Leo Heaps. It’s my favourite SWW book (so far).
Thank you Paul superb as always. The movie departed from reality, artistic license. Good movie though.
This is a great presentation about an extraordinary man.
All in all a amazing story on so many levels. Quite inspiring.
Kudos to the author, seriously a terrific effort.
Thankyou very much. Another excellent presentation and a fascinating subject.
Glad you enjoyed it
English (Lancashire and west Yorkshire): habitational name from Tatham in Lancashire. The placename derives from the Old English personal name Tāta (from an obsolete element meaning 'joyful' compare Old Norse teitr) + Old English hām 'village homestead'.
I mean this with all respect, but it seems that this man would have made a great addition to the Monty Python's Flying Circus crew. The Bowler Hat and the Umbrella are perfect examples of the British love of the absurd that brings a smile or earns a wry look from there fellows and in the process garners respect. As a soldier, I would have followed such an officer into the gates of Hades without question. I appreciated that Neil Thornton has shown us a glimpse of the real person. Well presented and informative. The artwork is superb without a doubt as well.
Fascinating personnality.
Another excellent show and another book I'll have to read. Keep up the good work.
Brilliant show.
Tatham Warter was inspiring his troops in the traditional role of a British officer of the Napoleonic wars who would have been armed with a sword largely for appearances.
I believe that Tatham-Warter was the inspiration for Percy "Pinky" Pinkerton from the Marvel Comic Group's Sgt. Fury and his Howlin' Commandos. I'll watch the episode in its entirety to see if you discuss it here.
A well researched episode presented by Neil. This episode does the person more justice than the film portrayal.
He was an amazing man. Glad that Neil presented the true story.
Really enjoyed this one 👍
Wonderful presentation by Neil. Thank you. Great research and brings Digby to life
To the best of my knowledge, my dad was First Canadian Army (Head Quarters) active service May 1944-May1946 Canada. United Kingdom. European Theatre. (Discharged). A TB patient, he spent 7 years in the saskatoon San. My dad has always been my hero; A true survivor. He never told me about his service over seas & i regret that i never asked him about his experiences as a canadian soldier fighting in ww2.
RIP Pete (1924 - 2001)
There are amazing photos in his WW2 album. Some have the location in the back, in no specific order& off the top of my head - Paris, Arnhem, Aurich, Cologne, Nijmegan, Nordendey Island & there are many photos that he never wrote their location. I'm just learning WW2 history @ 57. This! Should be taught in Canadian high schools. A picture a sign "Shilo" . A small note book
No. 11Trg B.N.
No. 6 Cdn Inf Trg Rgmt
C.A.O.
Trying to trace his footsteps is proving difficult, if only he could've/would've lived to see his 100th & i would have asked him about the battles and the soldiers he's photographed with.
Welcoming any input, thanks for hearing me.
Howdy folks. An amazing but well-documented tale of bold decisions by a great character who was a more than competent combat leader. Incredible that this was Digby’s first and only action.
I have just finished Arnhem 1944 by Martin Middlebrook, and this show is great at adding more detail to one of the main figures.
Great glad your sounding better Paul ,looking forward to this one Major Carlyle wasn't it... ,why do you carry that bloody umbrella …
"Major Carlisle" also had elements of a Royal Engineer officer (Captain Mackie/MacKay?), or was at least given a paraphrase of his retort when asked to accept surrender.
Just checked through my book collection - it's mentioned in the Nichol & Rennell book "Arnhem: The battle For Survival" (p144 in my copy).
Great spot; you're asolutely right. The surrender scene is described in detail in the book and the similarities between that and Mackay's actual experience of the German offer of 'surrender' is well covered.
Another great show. Major Tatham-Walter is such a great character.
I haven't finished the video yet but I do want to make a comment. I've always felt that the men who carry some kind of affectation into battle, whether it's British officers not ducking or flinching, or Digby carrying an umbrella, or the Commando with the bagpipes in that raid on Norway, I've always felt that the highest ranking of those men, such as Patton with his riding crop are probably doing it to get noticed and for some measure of ego. Whereas men in the lower ranks, lower ranking officers and so forth who are doing that kind of thing, are more likely doing it to inspire the men that they lead. The difference is very much if you're at a rank where you're liable to get shot at, then you're doing it for bravery and thinking that if your men see you walking around with an umbrella or carrying the bagpipes then they'll know that you're brave and they can be brave too. If you're ranked high enough where you're no longer in personal danger, then that can no longer be your motivation.
This is just one man's thoughts on the matter.
A great story this one. I know Neil from Zulu War history groups, a cracking author.
What a great video! This will help me alot with my documentary about Market Garden. The debunked myths i had a facts in my script. Glad i you guys sat down with eachother and blessed us with this information! 👍
Future program suggestions: panel discussion on William Shirer’s opus; latest research on the Nuremberg Trial & executions ; latest bio of Martin Bormann…
All your programs are top notch; many remerciements!
I hope this story is true but since it's about an old fashioned gentleman's outfitters in Glasgow many years ago, it probably isn't. Apparently this chap entered the emporium desirous of purchasing an umbrella. The assistant offered him an absolutely gorgeous umbrella, brass ferrule, hand stitched leather handle, the works. 'But how,' asked the potential customer, 'will I ever manage to roll it up again after I've opened it? I've never seen an umbrella rolled up so tightly in my life!' Seemingly perplexed, the shop assistant asked, 'But why would you want to open it sir?' 'Obviously' replied the customer, 'if it comes on to rain.' 'Ah yes, sir,' replied the assistant. 'In that case, step directly to the edge of the pavement, raise the umbrella to the horizontal over the road and shout Taxi!' That's a Tatham-Warter for you, if you like.
Just a quick word of thanks for you're very illuminating shows.....History will live so long as People like you are around.....Re Arnhem....I have always thought the blame for the failure of the Battle to be laid firmly at the RAF's door....I will make an assumption here that the movie highlights this failure when the Met Officer is confronted at the briefing with the question as to why the DZ was some 8 miles from the Bridge....in the movie the RAF met Officer explains that there is a Luftwaffe airfield located in such a place as to preclude a dz closer to the Bridge. In September 1944, the Allies could have put a taxi rank of Tempests and Typhoons over any particular location they wanted, so, why was the RAF not able to put a serious crimp in any German Airfield in Western Europe anytime they wished, to shut down this obstacle and allow a dz closer to Arnhem to be utilized. Thankyou again for being you.
Best regards from Downunder.
You can add in Brereton and Williams for blame. Brereton and Williams refused to allow double missions flown on day one. The RAF even told Brereton they could fly double missions on day one but Brereton would not allow this and his insisted that all three Airborne Divisions must have dispersed drops over a number of days.
There were also poor decisions within British 1st Airborne. Richard Gale, commander of British 6th Airborne Division, felt Roy Urquhart was too meek in going along with the RAF's choice of drop/landing zones and said he should have resisted "to the point of resignation".
@@lyndoncmp5751 It's no wonder General Sosaboski [pls forgive spelling] had a cow.
You inadvertently answered a question I long had about the proper pronunciation of Major Freddy Gough's name. According to you, it rhymes with "cough", not "dough".
This sounds a crackin book
Late to the party but what a character! If he was American they’d be a mini series about him!
There'd
8 days of that would require a rather large umbrella...
Just like those ww1 types with a swagger stick going over the top come on chaps pip.pip!
Just found your channel. Love your content. You deserve more attention, more viewers! Is it possible suggesting or asking questions what i wanted to know about ww2 anything? i mean really anything?? Even i am not a pateron? I have thousands of things concering ww2 in may head.
Sure, I put questions to my guests during the live shows
@@WW2TV Thank you! Like i said i have thousands of things around in my head, the list would be too long, haha, but i need to start somewhere. so here i go. 1) What was the role of the GeFPo= Geheime Feldpolizei, secret military police during ww2? It can be said the Gestapo was most civil sector and the GeFPo was the military Gestapo. But how is that, the GeFPo is almost never discused? 2) USA did produced guns, tanks, airplanes, and whatever made out of steel. Where does this iron to produce these things came from? USA only? How many millions of iron did the USA need to prdocue all this during ww2? And how many profit gained the american companies producing all this for ww2? 3) Why are the nazi german oil plans rarley discussed? If it comes to the caucasus it is sometimes mentioned the Nazis wanted to reach Baku, but never the plan was to go to Iran and Iraq. There was a reason for the anglo-soviet Invasion of Iran during ww2. The middle east theater generally during ww2 seems to be overlooked. Maybe because not much fightings happend there. Its mentioned Stalindgrad and El Alamein were a turning point, because the german nazis had to retreated, but never mentioned the Nazis wanted to go to the oilfields of Iraq from Northen Africa and South-Sovietunion. If they could hold Iraq is a what if question, well they never made it there. In my opinion it is a overlooked apsect of nazi ww2 plans, altough it is a never carried out plan, because the axis were stopped by Allies. 4) What are the reaons the soviets failed to conquer all of Finland in the winter war? And last and finally 5) Why is that Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg is almost unknown in the USA? I think it is better since the movie with Tome Cruise, but i bet it stilly like much unknown? Which lets to another question, the National Kommitee Freies Deutschland is often overlooked aswell as the Strafdivison 999. The impacts maybe little to stopf the nazis, but it is a subject which could be shown more in documentaries or disccussions. Especially to Americans.
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My Dad was at a bridge too far..tank driver
I love reading and watching about Arnhem
I always woindered what would have happned if they had gone for one bridge at a time.
Land on the frrst bridge and advance to that, and then land on the second bridge and advance to that.
And then to the third bridge and advcnace to that.
The Germans would be kept on the hop
9:44 father served , but was not gassed or even left England.... different family member
15:30 sat on top of tank