CA PROCEDURE FOR (AFTERMARKET CATALYTIC CONVERTER VERIFICATION)
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2021
- Aftermarket Catalytic Converter Verification have you feeling lost?
Follow along as I walk you step by step on How the catalytic converter number system works, How-to look up the EO Number and How-to verify a catalytic converter when the VECI/ECS/Emission label is missing.
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Thank you for that instruction. I now know how ridiculous CARB rules are. For my pre-OBD-II car, out of tons of pre-OBD-II CARB approved catalytic converters, only few are allowed. That is totally ridiculous. If a catalytic converter does a great job reducing smog and passes all smog test, why should they say it's illegal? CARB rules are example of bureaucracy gone mad.
its called creating a monopoly of parts backed by a non sense law that allows bigger polluters but they want to hit the regular joe with more fees just so we can go to work and keep paying taxes. I have a otherwise great cat and the referee failed it because its missing a number on the catalytic and I have no prove it was installed on 2004. I'm the 3rd owner. His conclusion was on the suspicious question of WHY it had to be changed just 3 years after 2001 car was purchased. I had this same truck pass smog 3 other times since I had it and nobody have make such a big deal just because a number is missing from the catalytic itself that was most likely eroded by use as the truck is 20+ years old. Also, California should make it harder for people to still this catalytic converters. There are only two or three companies that are allowed to sell LEGAL part numbers and the Federal authorized providers are all ILEGAL in California. This process for finding the correct catalytic for a vehicle is complicated by default with the purpose of someone making a mistake and installing the wrong part and having to pay twice as there are no documentation as who is liable and unless a customer just trust the muffler installer that he is giving him the best price for the job including parts which is already at the level of replacing an engine in some cases, that customer has no choice and freedom to look elsewhere for a better deal as is the right of every American. Again, a monopoly will care less to make these associations to find the weak links in the process allowing for all the gray areas where a customer has no chance of getting a fair deal. I am all for clean air and stuff but I believe this politically driven moves to pass state wide laws must be thoroughly tested and explained. As consumers we are paying for all of their pay checks including the governor's so I say we have the right to know and the right for options.
It's really all about getting old cars off the streets. Sigh!
Video was very helpful, I appreciate all the details since I'm trying to get my smog inspector lic.Thank You
I need a carb legal cat for my 95 integra. Epa cats are running for around $120-150 while the California cats are around $1200-2000. I hate this stat so damn much. And they wonder why everyone is doing illegal smogs. I am a smog inspector for 10 years in California so I didn’t come here for the info. Just to vent. Even worse is the previous owner took it off to “sound cool.”
Bro.... I know this is an old post. But I'm so fed up right now
I just ordered and installed a direct fit CalCat for my EP3 $700 later.... now the smog guy says he can't smog it cuz my under the hood label is missing. I'm so pissed rightnow.
@@carvedfromlife8949 actually as an inspector I had to do the same. Dude had a cat installed at a shop, the shop ordered the wrong one, instead of getting the right cat, they peeled off the emissions label, got to be very anal about cat cuz these muffler shop are trying to rip people off too.
We’ve been using CARB on- road for years. I wish this method was more widely taught in courses for some of the newer inspectors coming out into the field. This method was shared by a State Referee with us as a legal and correct method to verify vehicles without a VECI or ECS.
Great stuff
Thank you sir, we do teach this in our classes, we are on a mission to better the automotive industry one technician at a time. Thank you for watching and support.
Awesome video I learn so much! I have a question? I have an Rv that someone cut the cat cut out and I’m wondering how to find the correct catalytic converter for that rig. Thanks for your video thank you!
GREAT INFORMATION!.. THANKS
You are very welcome!
hi, I am currently following the steps from your video to figure out if an aftermarket CAT is the correct one for a 1997 toyota pickup truck that I have here becuase the VECI label is missing but the page no longer exists on the CARB website.. it says the page got moved somewhere else.. do you know which other site I could use?
Great Video thanks for all the info. I have a 2001 Honda accord . where do you recommend I buy one at?
I realize this is an older video, but I am in the process of replacing my catalytic converters on my 2003 ford ranger 4.0 since mine were recently stolen. The number one question I would like to ask is, with universal/aftermarket cats, where in the exhaust do I weld them? Do they have to be installed so many inches from the flanges, so many inches from the manifolds or as long as the oxygen sensor wire reaches the aftermarket cat? Is there a minimum/maximum amount of slack needed on the oxygen sensor cable? Like, what if I weld one a bit too high and there is a bit more slack on the oxygen sensor cable? What if it was easier for me to weld the new cat in an inch or two lower but now the oxygen sensor wire is a little stretched? I watch youtube guys just weld them in where ever between flanges as long as they can screw in the oxygen sensor... Not one shop out of 9 that I contacted can/will tell me about where a universal cat should be welded in place. Hope I didn't confuse you.
I have a 2011 honda accord. I have a Manifold converter that passed last year now it won't pass this year due to the family number. I got the cat from autozone and its CARB legal. Everything matches but the last 4 on my family number. Im thinking my car might have a different hood. How can i look up my car's family number?
So a NON carb car aka from out of state is now reaiding in CA does it need a carb eo cat or can an epa replacement cat be allowable?
2015 nv200
Is there anyway I could buy one for a 2000 Accord 2.3? Just got a p0420 code. Been looking but majority are not shipping into Cali
I have a 2007 Honda Accord Special Edition 2.4L. The emissions label affixed to the hood of the vehicle lists the test group of 7HMXV02.4KKC. When I look up this vehicle in the California CARB database there are 10 withdrawn EO numbers. What does a withdrawn EO number mean in this case? What would happen if I was to install the catalytic converter with a withdrawn EO number?
When it is withdrawn means that after ceritifaction from EPA they determined CAT wasn't a good fit. You'd need to copy records to date of install of that cat, then we will check it, if it looks like an older install we'd pass it. If you install today, then it would be fail no matter what.
Thank You!
Federal Emissions.... My car is a 1997 Saturn SW2 that I bought new in CT and still own. The engine family is not the ARB database. The smog ref said that many or all Fed Emissions vehicles will not be in the CA database so when selecting an aftermarket cat you go by Make, Model & Year (and # of cylinders 4, v6, v8 etc). I had been gong to Fairmount Smog Test Only for 12 years! In 2016 I failed and had to replace the cat; I chose an aftermarket since it a new OEM cat was no available. 2022 in August a different tech was working there and refused to submit the results because he could not find the engine family in the database and claimed he knew more than the smog refs so I left and dug up and printed out all the info that I saved from the smog ref. **** At the next smog shop I explained everything and brought in my paperwork but ran into a different problem: The laser etched numbers are now almost unreadable. I got under the car myself and took a picture and zoomed in and compared it to my paperwork and he could see the outline of the numbers and submitted the passing test results but what happens when the EO number can't be read? I installed the cat myself using my welder but even if a shop did it and I saved the receipt there is no way to prove that is the correct cat.
The honda you looked up says 1 converter equipped but when you looked up the under hood label it says wu-twc and twc. Does it still pass because the total number of catalytic converters if different?
I also noticed the label he was looking at was for the SULEV car running Compressed Natural Gas. I don't think that is right.
Can the metal part of a catalytic converter be cut open , placed material inside what a oem used or uses the welded shut, recycled re use it placed it back on the car that it was on from oem,??????, I seen up to 4 converters in one car & truck in california, now the have these 3way catalytic converters, what's up with that???,
If the cat is cut open and the element swapped out we’d have to fail you. The cat in its entirety has to be replaced either with an OEM cat or an approved aftermarket converter to pass the inspection.
I have a2010 dodge avenger sxt 2.4L can't find a cat converter anywhere. HELP!!!
Check out this link for CA help to find hard to locate parts. asktheref.org/Services/Parts-Locator-Service
Why cant i swap the motor from my 2007 subaru outback and put it into a 2009 subaru outback? The 2007 cats went with the motor and the smog check guy said failed due to tampered catalytic converter. Anybody got an explanation to share??
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If the car is 99 but is federal and I want to move to CA, Do I need swap the CAT to a CARB compliant?
The cat installed must meet CA standards even though the vehicle is federally certified.
If the cat is still the factory original, the car is California emissions certified (sticker under hood), and can pass CA smog then no need to swap. But if it fails smog then you do have to get it swapped for a CARB certified cat. Aftermarket CARB cat only applies to 2009 and newer cars as well as 1996 up OBD2 cars that require the cats to be replaced. Or get oem factory cat but most likely discontinued due to age
I have a federal 1985 Ford Thunderbird 5.0 V-8. It now resides in California and failed smog. I'm sure Ford doesn't have a new cat for this car so how difficult and which conver ter can I use for this car. Is it as strict because of the age of the car.1
Quick ARB search says a Magnaflow Part Number 332025 would fit. Here you can also check further, as long as it doesn’t say recinded or withdrawn, you can get it installed. Hope this helps. Happy New Year! ssl.arb.ca.gov/AftermarketParts/catalysts
I've never met a tech that would go through what you just showed. They just mark "tampered" on your readout and send you down the road! Or just pass it based on the readout.
That's because they weren't properly trained.
What if the test group name does come out on the aftermarket catalytic converter database
Can you give me more details, are you referring to the backdoor side or the normal catalytic converter database?
Example 05 altima test group name 5nsxv02.5g5a is the only thing that comes up on after market catalytic converter and what I have is 5nsxv02.5854 and does not show on the system
@@marcossolano4384 If you click on ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/files/classic//msprog/onroad/cert/pcldtmdv/2005/nissan_ldt_a0150426_2d5_u2.pdf it will take you the ARB EO published doc. Plus using the normal Cat data base the only EFN is just like you mentioned you have. Please let me know if that made sense and helped.
@@marcossolano4384 , Maybe you have a 5NSXV02.585A which is a PZEV. PZEV vehicles typically aren't listed in the aftermarket database. ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/files/classic//msprog/onroad/cert/pcldtmdv/2005/nissan_pc_a0150418_2d5_pz.pdf When you look up the EO, look under pc for passenger car. The EO I linked shows an Altima. The one Oscar referenced is ldt for light duty truck and shows a Frontier.
@@dannyiwama3448 that's exactly what I have thank you very much, I will search it right now
Does it matter if everything is matches expect the year
It would matter, needs to fit year, make, model and engine family.
@@MasterAutomotiveTraining okay thank you
can you help me find one for 89 jeep 2.5
Have you tried walker products?
Excellent video! What if the manufacturer no longer produces or has the cats needed as well as all aftermarket manufacturers no longer makes/carries the cats?
You’d need to contact a referee to get an exemption. Checkout asktheref.org/
@@MasterAutomotiveTraining Thank you will go that route. I have a 2008 Mazda6 V6 with all 3 bad converters. All catalysts have been discontinued by the manufacturer and Walker is the only aftermarket that sells a CARB universal main catalyst. The other 2 manifold integrated cats nobody produces CARB certified nor will ship to CA. Need all 3, junk the car, part it out, or sell it to out of state are my only options at this time. I never realized how difficult it would be for CA emissions smog
@@JYAN2852 for real these clowns and America ain’t a free county hell no
Slavemerica more like that
I have a cng van. My cat got stolen. Can I get a fake cat for smog?
Nope, in CA you need to have a state approved converter to pass the visual inspection during a smog check. More info on it here: asktheref.org/CatalyticConverterConcerns
I'm leaving California officially, I'm just sick of all these regulations and making it impossible just to get fuel for cooking let alone trying to find a Cadillac converter that can actually be shipped to California.
I hate California. Pretty much like a jail you have no freedom to do anything in all aspects.
TLDR - Too Long Didn't Read my comment below. Once the ** EO number is rusted and unreadable ** there is NO way to prove that is the correct cat for the car. And this is in southern CA where it almost never rains. In the rust belt the cat would be unreadable after a year of rain and snow and melting salt. Common solution is that you have to get a special card to show the SMOG tech - but this doesn't prove the cat is right for your car.
Paul, it seems as we have the same problem. My Cat is missing a number from the metal (unreadable) and I had to appeal the test result ending at the referee program who also failed my cat due to the same issue. He said doesn't have the means to prove that the catalytic converter is approved but 1.- he knows is not the original and 2.- It was changed in 2004 based on some other information he was able to pull out. My truck is a 2001 so he questions WHY was it changed only 3 years after it was sold for the first time. Like if stilling cats is something new. It probably was stolen before I bought it but it passes smog on my ODB2 scanner. Now, I don't know what is the logic here.
@@2XXEquiz thanks for that update and I will add this experience to my file what I guess I'm going to do is have photos so when I go in to get it tested I'll probably go to the same place and the guy we'll see that he tested the car before I will have photos maybe I'll try to add some kind of protective thing for the number so they won't rust away or I might weld the numbers on a piece of metal and then just tack that on to the cat and explain hey this is what happened my car is now 26 years old so it's not going to be around forever but it's not fair that the laser Edge number wears off and then it puts the person in the position that we're in
Why is this taking over 16 minutes to explain when a smog technician looks at it in seconds and decides of it passes or fails just get to the point
It’s not so cut and dry. If you watched the video you’d understand the process we have to go through to make sure your catalytic converter is approved for your car. When it’s a state spoof car if we don’t do that we are subject to a $5,000 fine, that’s why it takes 16 minutes to explain.
Bought a 00 civic in 2015 with no cat. Purchased an aftermarket cat (d-182-45) and had it welded on. It passed smog every year until yesterday...tech says the cat doesn't match my engine family. Cat -YHNXV01.6VA2 Engine family - YHNXV01.6CA3 .....smh...Made an appointment with a state referee, but it looks like I need a new $900 cat - looked it up and it will work with both engine families. California.. lmao
autozone wanted 555 for my 2001 4runner cat, how do i know if that will work?
@@dangda-ww7de ssl.arb.ca.gov/AftermarketParts/catalysts
Did you know? In California, all vehicles down to 1955, must have any and all Smog Equipment installed. When they started smog checks, all vehicles had to have Closed Crankcase Ventilation and a NOX Device. Also any speed equipment must have an E.O. Number to show it is smog compliant. After Market Super Chargers have a notation, "Not for use in California on any smog controlled vehicles". Also, any engine swaps prior to 1983, you go by the year of the engine. Engine swaps after 1983, you go by the year of the car plus, the engine had to be an option for that car. This was done to stop people from swapping a BBC from a truck into a car with the BBC wasn't an option. Also running dual cats on a vehicle equipped with a single is illegal..
In CA emission equipment is required after 1976, according to the Bureau of Automotive Repair. PCV did start early 40’s but not enforceable until 1976 for smog check purposes. With engine swaps make sure to have the state referee verify new installation and ECS label approval.
Rick your a little off and wrong on some of the info you gave..
Rick you kinda off on dates
Oh yeah , I seen 4 catalytic converters on truck n car in California 2 up stream 2 down stream n the other just bank 1 n bank 2 both were connected the 2nd n 4th converter , approved by the board street used, I think at least one was it's original or 2 of them , 2 years to the next one