This is amazing! Need to listen and take it in several times re the order of mood, thoughts, conscious body. So simple and it doesn’t get mentioned by most teachers.
*from SN22.83,* *Ananda* It is by clinging, Ānanda, that the notion ‘I am’ occurs, not without clinging. And by clinging to what does ‘I am’ occur, not without clinging? It is by clinging to form that ‘I am’ occurs, not without clinging. It is by clinging to feeling … to perception … to volitional formations … to consciousness that ‘I am’ occurs, not without clinging. 🙏🙏🙏
Indeed, an out-of-body-experience is a contradiction in terms. It is better stated as an extra-body-experience, which has numerous sutta citations like in Aṅguttara 3.127(Bhikkhu Bodhi #) where the Tathāgata tells the deva Hatthaka “Create a gross body, Hatthaka.” in order that he may interact with humans and been seen. When Hatthaka created an addition new body to augment his more subtle deva body his rooted mind would have remained anchored to his default body the whole time. 🙏🏼
Mind Thoughts Consciousness 160,000 + thoughts go through our mind everyday. There are too many to control so don’t even try, but be aware of the emotions they produce, this we can control.
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu! I have been reading all I can to understand how these terms are used. In many cases a single Pali term is translated differently such that it’s not always consistent in its alignment with a specific English term. It confuses me even after I think I’ve got it I find a new variant and have to revisit all the variations. This video brought SOME clarity. Lol. Thank you for sharing these. I find them helpful. With loving kindness!
Thoughts result from thinking. There can be no thinking without consciousness, but consciousness exists even in the absence of thinking. Hence consciousness exists independent of thinking without involving itself in thinking.
Ven Bhante; I have been told that there are four realms where there is only the mind and no body. Is that correct ? If such a realm is possible then how can there be thoughts, as all thoughts are related to what had been experienced through sense organs in the first place.
Consciousness exists only when there is something that can be consciously aware of. The consciousness can even know itself. One can be conscious about being conscious. If there is nothing to be conscious, there's no consciousness. Consciousness exists relative to things to be conscious of. Just my view, it can be wrong. I'm not very clear about other two things.
Nama's dependene on rupa is clear to me, but can you explain why rupa is dependent on nama? Is it simply the notion that without consciousness there would be no experience of rupa possible, that it would impossible to know rupa?
The description of Consciousness is incorrect. The Buddha Stated that beings reborn in the immaterial realms lack the first 4 aggregates, they have only the fifth one, consciousness. Thus, if a person is in a Arupa Jhana and is shot in the head right there... the person stays in that outside of body state being reborn in an immaterial realm. Thus they are conscious of consciousness itself no? Since that's the only aggregate they got.
incorrect, arūpa is exactly what the word says (a-rūpa) which means 'without rūpa' of without form. This means only the form aggregate is absent but the other 4 are present
Venerable banthe When the status of mind is in arupa dhathu and higher states, how can we understand the consciousness. Ie "having the body alive"? Thank you.
@Upeka Kuruppu Have you achieved these states "arupa dhathu and higher states'? If yes, then you can see by yourself. Otherwise this question is just speculative
How could you say that if that is not a thought? You are assuming an external point of view from which you can see consciousness, but consciousness cannot be perceived, only discerned through your own experience, and the only way to know it is by thinking.
Once again. Perfect. Thank you. 🙏
This is amazing! Need to listen and take it in several times re the order of mood, thoughts, conscious body. So simple and it doesn’t get mentioned by most teachers.
Two brilliant minds
*from SN22.83,*
*Ananda*
It is by clinging, Ānanda, that the notion ‘I am’ occurs, not without clinging.
And by clinging to what does ‘I am’ occur, not without clinging?
It is by clinging to form that ‘I am’ occurs, not without clinging.
It is by clinging to feeling … to perception … to volitional formations … to consciousness that ‘I am’ occurs, not without clinging.
🙏🙏🙏
It is by assuming external ananda that the notion I am occurs not without assuming external.
🙏
Indeed, an out-of-body-experience is a contradiction in terms. It is better stated as an extra-body-experience, which has numerous sutta citations like in Aṅguttara 3.127(Bhikkhu Bodhi #) where the Tathāgata tells the deva Hatthaka “Create a gross body, Hatthaka.” in order that he may interact with humans and been seen. When Hatthaka created an addition new body to augment his more subtle deva body his rooted mind would have remained anchored to his default body the whole time.
🙏🏼
Mind Thoughts Consciousness
160,000 + thoughts go through our mind everyday. There are too many to control so don’t even try, but be aware of the emotions they produce, this we can control.
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu!
I have been reading all I can to understand how these terms are used. In many cases a single Pali term is translated differently such that it’s not always consistent in its alignment with a specific English term. It confuses me even after I think I’ve got it I find a new variant and have to revisit all the variations. This video brought SOME clarity. Lol. Thank you for sharing these. I find them helpful.
With loving kindness!
Thoughts result from thinking. There can be no thinking without consciousness, but consciousness exists even in the absence of thinking. Hence consciousness exists independent of thinking without involving itself in thinking.
"Consciousness exists in the absence of thought"
There is no way to know that
නිවනින්ම සැනසෙත්වා!!! Attain Nibbana as soon as possible!!!
🙏🙏🙏 Thank you so much Banthe
Ven Bhante; I have been told that there are four realms where there is only the mind and no body. Is that correct ? If such a realm is possible then how can there be thoughts, as all thoughts are related to what had been experienced through sense organs in the first place.
light simile is brilliant
Consciousness exists only when there is something that can be consciously aware of. The consciousness can even know itself. One can be conscious about being conscious. If there is nothing to be conscious, there's no consciousness. Consciousness exists relative to things to be conscious of.
Just my view, it can be wrong.
I'm not very clear about other two things.
Nama's dependene on rupa is clear to me, but can you explain why rupa is dependent on nama? Is it simply the notion that without consciousness there would be no experience of rupa possible, that it would impossible to know rupa?
Richard, maybe that helps:
ua-cam.com/video/2B1VzcYHQto/v-deo.html
The description of Consciousness is incorrect.
The Buddha Stated that beings reborn in the immaterial realms lack the first 4 aggregates, they have only the fifth one, consciousness.
Thus, if a person is in a Arupa Jhana and is shot in the head right there... the person stays in that outside of body state being reborn in an immaterial realm. Thus they are conscious of consciousness itself no? Since that's the only aggregate they got.
incorrect, arūpa is exactly what the word says (a-rūpa) which means 'without rūpa' of without form. This means only the form aggregate is absent but the other 4 are present
Consciousness is one of four parts of mind. There are 6 sense organs hence 6 different consciousnesses. Thought is one of the 6 sense objects.
Venerable banthe
When the status of mind is in arupa dhathu and higher states, how can we understand the consciousness. Ie "having the body alive"? Thank you.
@Upeka Kuruppu
Have you achieved these states "arupa dhathu and higher states'? If yes, then you can see by yourself. Otherwise this question is just speculative
Thoughts don’t exist and Consciousness is ever present.
How could you say that if that is not a thought? You are assuming an external point of view from which you can see consciousness, but consciousness cannot be perceived, only discerned through your own experience, and the only way to know it is by thinking.
Consciousness is conscious of thinking. Consciousness is not thinking.
So, we are brains in jars after all...
Very insightful and super helpful! Thank you, Bhantes!