Is This The Future Of Bike Fitting? | Dialling Your Bike Position With Big Data & Selle Italia
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- Having the right position on a bike is important not only for efficiency and power transfer but also for aerodynamics and comfort. Selle Italia have developed what promises to be the future of bike fits with their new ID Match system, which utilises their database and clever smart tech to match individuals with their ultimate cycling position. Whilst in Italy Ollie and Manon tried it out to see whether Manon's current road bike is close to her optimum.
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Would you use this to help influence your bike set up? Let us know 👇
If I had access to it, I would! But still go to a pro. fitter as well to make sure
how about the crank arm length? it doesn't change? took me a lot of trial and error and only after a pro fitter suggested that i use a 145mm only then I felt the comfort and power output that I wanted after a long time. There are a lot of adults who are small, 5ft or even smaller. hope the bike community would extend the possible options for the minority like us.
@@roivalenton5962 recumbent riders know about this and love shortened cranks, more aero
I don't want a bike fit...I just want to sit on that machine and perform the dynamic controls🤩🤩
This looks amazing but the reality of buying a bike just now (I just did) is that 1 there is no choice because virtually nothing is available until 2022 and 2 even good bike shops are struggling to provide any service as they are so flat out trying to cope with demand for sales and repairs. And they want you out of the shop ASAP in case you have COVID 🙁 Reminds me a bit of when I bought a new golf driver a few years ago and they had all this amazing gear but the guy just looked at me, got me to hit a ball then handed me the standard size model and said “that’ll do” 😃
We tackled assembling the bike as a family project. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The package is heavy, but I have 2 teen boys that were able to move it. The written instructions were great- we didn't need to watch the videos, but it was good knowing that the option was there if we needed it. After we were able to get it set up, the boys each rode 3 miles and I rode 8 and the bike stayed quiet. The display is easy to reset, and you can put it on whichever setting you are using (time, distance, calories, etc). I will say that my butt is a little sore from the seat, but that could be because I haven't rode in a while. While it is comfortable for me, it was not comfortable with the seat position for my friend (could not move the seat back far enough and he slightly looked like a kid riding a tricycle that he had outgrown). He also said that the seat hurt his manly parts. We are going to look for a different seat that will be compatible with this bike for him.I did purchase the Wahoo Cadence sensor and strapped it to the crank of one of the pedals. This will sync with my Apple Watch, iPhone and will import data in to my Health app. Wahoo does have other sensors available other than cadence. I can also keep either my phone or my iPad on the display and they both feel pretty secure.
Fit first buy later sounds like a great proposition. Could prevent an expensive mistake.
For sure!
and if you had looked at a few bikes roughly your seize then maybe it could be used for determining which one was best for you
yeah but think of how many people who walk into shops who aren't ready to buy.. fits need to be paid first, then bike later.
Ollie's "you don't have to mess about with allen keys" followed by someone using an allen key on the system, is nearly a Dan Lloyd "no vehicles" as a tractor drives past moment.
We all knew that Manon was practically perfect in every way, just like Mary Poppins. But I really want to see Ollie's results. It's fun to take a poke at Ollie, but when you look at his power output, experience, and bike-buying budget, he really does represent a very high end recreational rider/racer.
Manon’s face when Ollie says “there’s a manual mode.” Priceless!
Wait till he engages Symbian mode
he should have raised the saddle as high as possible and dropped the handlebars as low as possible :D really stretch her out
Really cool to see how tech keeps helping bike set up. It's such a complex topic, and as you said, every fitter interprets numbers differently. Hopefully this will solve that issue. Thumbs up for the video; it shows how the systems is very user friendly. Congrats to Manon on her Bday. Keep up the good work.
I’m only four and a half minutes in and finding this fascinating. I had a bike fit recently ahead of buying a new bike and it’s improved my riding position immensely. Would highly recommend it.
I think you can guess who i've been watching but i definitely feel the "Fit first, buy later" philosophy is absolutely the way forward.
I've been fettling with my position for years now and i know what range i'm comfortable and functional in, and those figures do not line up with recommended figures from bike shops/manufacturers - being 1 or 2 sizes too big, which seems to be somewhat of a pattern for people in general
Is it definitely not Tuesday, but still somehow Tuesday?
The guy you are referring to is definitely a wizard. Rather than pay $400 for a chimp to use this machine on me, I think I'd just go to his shop...
The first person I thought of when watching this! I trust someone's experience, knowledge and skill combined with tech far more than just tech frankly.
@@cocorocks88 yeah. It’s the interpretation of why these measurements are this way that I want most.
4:57 that smirk lmao
I tried this out a couple of years ago when it was demoed at the NEC bike show. It was brilliant.
That's cool! Glad to hear it!
This is one the most interesting and hilarious GCN videos to date. Keep up the great work!
11:30 “this system doesn’t need those pesky allen keys”. 11:50 allen key needed to swap saddle.
HA, spotted that too.
@@alynlambert4855 It's not quite what he is saying though. He means more along the lines of measure twice cut once instead of constantly screwing and unscrewing to make adjustments
Raleigh had a similar thing in the 1970s. The "Customsizer" was a fitting machine that was distributed to dealers and worked on much the same basic principle.
One of the coolest creations in world of cycling. Thanks GCN. 😍
I had a bike fit on this system 2 years ago when I bought my road bike at my bikeshop in Como, Italy. It's a nice system. Not sure it can replace an experienced bike fitter though, but it definitely get's you in a really good position, really quick...
Such fun information. I actually got fitted for a bike before buying. And my fitter suggested the bike for me. I am amateur in every way, but no pain, strain or diacomfort.
Great piece of kit. Can't help to think how many bike shops could afford this.
What a great idea. Best way to shop for a new bike. I have a good fit on my Diamonback, but a lot of it was trial and error so as stuff hurt I googled it and figured out the adjustment. They need to make it easy to find.
13:05 got a Bogey in my sights; cameraman smoothly adjusts
As a physiotherapist I find this very interesting (man vs machine). I think Manon should fix that shoulder (its one sided pain so could be a result of an injury opposed to bilateral) instead of adapting her bike fit around the shoulder (no bias at all). Love the idea of trying to standardize things but I wonder what the computer is considering optimal (comfort, speed, pelvic tilt angle, etc). Nice video!
Probably power output
Is there a “chimney size” option? I would definitely use this pre-bike purchase 😎
great video can't think why nobody before has made a bike fitting rig that can be adjusted remotely whilst you are cycling ...
Loved seeing Manon try to keep pedaling whilst you extended all the settings to max and minimum ...hilarious.
I have big feet and therefore have a larger than average ankle to plate foot pivot motion than most cyclists but that is never really taken into account in traditional bike fitting . I have to elongate plate adjusting slots to get the ball of my foot over the axle and extend my saddle height also to compensate for the extra length
Very impressive....I am so envious....I so wish I could be fitted on one of these.
Wow! Simply wow! My only fit experience was with good old retul, and this could make life way easier!!
For me who is just trying to get back into cycling. This system would be perfect. Especially when choosing a great option for a bike.
I would absolutely use this. I will follow its development and public acceptance. Hope to see this in the US! Great episode.
@@idmatch I'm in the US, San Francisco ( Bay Area) is an amazing bicycle hub and culture. I would love to have your fitting system in my shop! How can aquire that please?
Great info, great attitude, congratulations
Cheers from NYC
Good tech, well presented guys! Very sensible methodology behind it. Oh, and HBD for the 5th M.L.
The ability to seamlessly adjust the position of the handlebars and saddle is amazing. Although there is a lot of science behind bike fitting, personal feel on the bike is still important which is probably quite optimized on this. Would definitely love to try this out.
Even as promoted video, this is an amazing machine. Thank you
Can we get a list/map where in the world they are installed?
Great video. I love watching the two of you together!
This WAY too cool, would love to get fitted using this. CHEERS!!
Awesome! If money was no issue, I'd like the fit before the bike. However, since it is I'm left with fewer affordable options and twiddling with the fit after.
One thing you could elaborate in future episode is the criterium(s) for the fit that are available. What we could see on the screen is selection by a discipline and maybe there is "aggressive" dial within the discipline because you spoke of it during Manon's fit ... It would be really valuable if other criterium then maximum performance is available (ex. comfort, endurance,...).
Great idea. I would definitely try this before my next bike buy!
"Proper cool" indeed. Love the banter between Ollie & Manon - fantastic presenter style. Question - does the machine assess power output in the different positions or does it just adjust positions according to some predetermined algorithm? Seems to me optimising for power output should be the primary focus.
Just found and watched this video last night (1.28.22). Fully intrigued. Only "Lab" in US is near Dallas Tx, 1000 miles from my home state of Wisconsin. ..........Appointment scheduled for April 20th...!! 😁😁
Need more of these in the US!
very good ! ! ! well done both of you
Like the video. I will definitely use this system as a fitting system. Great idea to take in so many aspects. Took me a long while and many aches and pains later to find a good position and two bike fits later. Will be great to see how this measurement differs from the last bike fit I did at the Medical Sports Centre fitment Centre.
Co$t???
That’s amazing I would definitely get that bike for first before I buy my next bike all my bikes have been bought then made to fit with different stems and cranks and bits
This is so exciting because
you KNOW how massive fit is for comfort and output
Slowly am beginning to LOVE MANON, I LOVE HER VOICE TOO...
did you see that huge engagement ring? I think everyone subscribed is in love with her already anyway ;)
That is a great machine, showing different settings for different kinds of cycling. It lets cyclist compare the different 'styles' for different situations. They can experience what the position changes do and inform them what they have to do to their body to make the bike body union better. Its missing one setting most of my customers seem to want, riding while they are seated on their living room couch.
Looks like the team are in Italy, stay safe, have fun.
I'm exactly the same size and weight as Manon, and my recommendations are pretty much the same in terms of frame size. While my bike fit is perfect for a long day in the saddle, it was only made for road use, I find that I can't easily get a good TT position just by putting clip-on aerobars. Also I'm very surprised it would recommend an XXS size frame to Manon for the Canyon because it's likely that the stem will be quite long already, not leaving a lot of room for adjustability, not to mention toe overlap which is a pain on smaller size frames. I guess it has to do with stack height. Curious to see what it has to say about Ollie's TT fit. Interesting video nonetheless!
in conclusion, is manon is perfect
The revelation absolutely no GCN viewer needed
@@conorverbruggen5133 it was pretty obvious from the start lmfao
Totally fascinating! Would love this.
Was there any suggestion that the arm length and shoulder pain were connected, ie the rotation, movement or change of handlebar. Excellent presentation, thanks.
Looks pretty awesome. Great video guys.
Amazing system. It would be interesting to see a rider who has put on some extra kilos, say 10-15 but has not changed their bike set up to see what changes the Italia system would recommend
I’d definitely do it before as I’ve never bought a new bike I’ve always bought used bikes and guessed the size. Would be nice to know what a bike is supposed to feel like as apposed to dealing with the mistakes and lack of knowledge on my part
Since I have bought a Ti hardtail 29er, and a Ti gravel bike this year to add to my 2 year old Roubaix I don’t think I will be using this system before I buy a bike any time soon...... it might be useful for checking my setup though.
This technology is revolutionary no more guess work measurements. Would love to try this before i purchase a new bike.
Awesome enjoyed that thanks. 👍
Really like the idea of being assessed with this system as I have some fairly severe spine issues.
This is a better way to go.This way you dont make a geometry mistake in frame vs flexibility vs style of ride.
Manon trying not smirk when Ollie said 'bend over' was it for me...
i'd love to do a fit like this one. I had so many injuries in my life due to improper fit in different sports u.u
Fantastic system would really love to get a bike fit on it to make bike choice a bit easier. Also i often get knee pain and haven't found the optimal position on my current bike.
Back in the Wild West of the USA the wagon driver held the reins and the front seat passenger held the shotgun. Riding shotgun refers to the front seat passenger.
#GCNTech Number ONE!! Really love your show as a daily part of my life and routine. Thank you for the inspiration!!
very smart using manon as model, i reckon this saved 80% of the people finishing the video
also: LASERS
The closest one to me (GR Michigan, USA) is Oklahoma USA... that's "only" about 1,000 miles away. Might have to wait a little bit for a dealership to pop up a little bit closer.
This is awesome, I need this in the us soon 👍🚴🏻
Is there going to be a fit video for Ollie to see how perfect he is?
my man is asking the real question
Manon: "I'm perfect."
There's a reason I'm binge-watching you right now but you don't have to rub it in my face.
Great machine! It is stunning how technology develop! Pity I not have the same increase. :)
Big data is always a good watch. Thanks for this one.
Actually we have had this for years with GURU fitting.
I like it I would do this before buying my next bike.
To answer Ollie’s question, I believe in both.
Fit first, buy later. Then fit again.
..Once I feel too comfortable (I feel like I am ready to go more aggressive), then I’ll pay the fitter another visit.
Looks very very interesting. I have had a bike fit in Prague last year, but something especially about the cleats isn't tip top and I can't figure out what. I'll be likely going (as nearly every year) to Lago di Garda upcoming April or May, so I'll probably give it a try!
#GCNTech Having purchased a previous model Canyon Aeroad I've since had to get a bike fit and purchase after market parts to make it fit. Would have loved this system to ensure my 5K was for a bike that fit!
How far off was canyons recomendation to your bike fit result?
Awesome video, but why doesn’t t the bike have hoods ?
Perfect bikefit without shifters
Track bikes only ...
Great system and similar to the Guru bike fit set up, Sella Italia need to put a pair of brake lever hoods on the bars as that's where most people ride.
Im 5’9 an i ride a 1985 cannondale sr300 56cm the way the previous owner had it setup was the perfect even the seat height
sounds great, and will be a great help when planing to buý a new bike.
I think the smart way to do it is get a bike fit, whether its with this or retul. Knowing measurements in key locations will save you down the road.
Cool tech hope to see it soon in Birmingham, Alabama
Is Si ill or is he preparing some more nerdy videos ?
How did he miss that ?
Very nice video guys , Thanks :)
OMFG the cleat install lasers
Outstanding! I just wonder how expensive is the apparatus going to be! I would rather, find an fitting expert to make my old 2003 Cannondale R900 Si fit better! As a side note, my first Cannondale M400 had a Vetta Litte-Gel seat on it. I believe these were made by Selle Italia too!
Amazing stuff! Selle Italia have really gone high tech on setting up, but to me I was super impressed with the way Ollie was so competent & conversant in how it all worked. Just switching it on would be too much for me.
Good editing???
I would love to work with them to develop this system! That would be very cool!
What I like most about this going forward is it will work in reverse too, changing the geometry of how we make bikes, to better fit our actual needs more closely.
TBF thats why getting a bike fit first and custom bike made to measure is the best option if you're happy with a beautiful modern steel or titanium frame.
@@bukarin true! I meant more that if this takes off, manufactures will have a large data base of our different shapes and sizes. Casual and pro, and maybe that could make frame design even better.
before ... absolutely before buying the bike... this is absolutely tremendous
Super helpful video.
AMAZING TECH !!!! Time to have my next bikefit !!! Where in the UK is this available ?
You kids are having too much fun!
And I’m suffering here, whether I should be 75, or 75.4cm 😡😤
😊
0:44 I didn't realize is Manon smile while pain so cute
I welcome this, because data and automation is the way forward. Not saying this is in any way perfect, but the current system is terrible. Most of us end up on a frame that’s too big for us, and bike fitting can be a bit of a lottery to what you get and how far you’re able to travel etc.
I would be interested to know if the machine has a function to enable the rider to “self select” their position dynamically while riding, ultimately we will all gravitate to a position we feel comfortable in.
If I had known you guys are around, I’d have loved taken you out on a ride in my backyard, the ‚Prosecco Hills‘ for a glass or two! Cheers from my chosen hometown Treviso
we didnt have much time unforts! as we deffo wanted to do that!
Love this. Thank you both! Very informative. I’m thinking about my next bike and am torn between the Orbea Orca and the new Canyon Airoad. Asking since Manon owns an Orbea Orca and is tempted by the new Canyon Airoad. I particularly like the customisation options which Orbea offers. Thoughts?Thanks!
I'm sure both are great bikes, as I've heard, but: Manon owns a lot of bikes my friend and they are sponsored so it is biased to say the least. 🤙🏽 Best of luck on finding the right bike for you!
For my next bike fit, I think I'll go with the "full chopper" :)
"It has lasers." Have we ever seen Ollie so happy?
The future is finally here! Epic vid 👍
If one is planning on investing significant money on a bike, it absolutely makes sense to fit first and buy later. I was totally smitten by the BMC Teammachine , but given my age and more limited flexibility, fitting the bike proved to be a nightmare. The very aggressive position just could not be mitigated to allow more than a 2 hour tops ride. Finally the LBS fitter suggested a more relaxed Specialized Roubaix. Almost 10K miles later I can ride that bike all day and not feel like I've been through torture. If the fit and recommendation were done before selection, I could have been paired with a bike best suited to my riding capabilities