Shadow Generations - All White Space Conversations
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- All of the White Space conversations with Omega, Rouge, Big, Gerald, Maria, Orbot and Cubot from Shadow Generations. They're easily missed as they only happen during specific moments in the game
00:00 - E-123 Omega [Game Start]
00:20 - E-123 Omega [Collect first Doom Gear]
00:47 - E-123 Omega [Unlocked Doom Surf]
01:18 - E-123 Omega [Before Metal Overlord]
01:51 - E-123 Omega [After Metal Overlord]
02:35 - E-123 Omega [After Chaos Island]
03:11 - E-123 Omega [After Mephiles]
03:48 - E-123 Omega [Unlocked Doom Wing]
04:24 - Professor Gerald [After Sunset Heights]
04:49 - Professor Gerald [After Metal Overlord]
05:29 - Professor Gerald [After Chaos Island]
06:24 - Professor Gerald [After Mephiles]
06:59 - Professor Gerald [Unlocked Doom Wing]
07:42 - Maria [After Sunset Heights]
08:06 - Maria [After Metal Overlord]
08:51 - Maria [After Chaos Island]
09:35 - Maria [After Mephiles]
10:13 - Maria [Unlocked Doom Wing]
10:53 - Big the Cat [After Kingdom Valley]
11:43 - Big the Cat [After Metal Overlord]
12:25 - Big the Cat [After Chaos Island]
13:07 - Big the Cat [After Mephiles]
13:45 - Big the Cat [Unlocked Doom Wing]
14:27 - Rouge the Bat [After Chaos Island]
14:58 - Rouge the Bat [After Mephiles]
15:43 - Rouge the Bat [Unlocked Doom Wing]
16:30 - Orbot and Cubot [After Rail Canyon]
17:49 - Orbot and Cubot [20 Metal Parts]
18:15 - Orbot and Cubot [40 Metal Parts]
18:43 - Orbot and Cubot [60 Metal Parts]
19:04 - Orbot and Cubot [All 80 Metal Parts]
Big: you've been to the ark too? That's great
Shadow: *w h a t*
A good reference to Big's easter egg in SA2
Big's lines are pretty underrated here. Some are like "aww… he's slow but tries his best to figure it out and that's cute", but other ones are just _SUS._
Big has secret missions to do...
Big the Cat has met not only Maria and Gerald, but fucking Elise in a post 06 world.
That is absolutely hilarious.
At this rate is that just Froggy going out of his way to insure that Big sees the world.
Big man gets around.
Next thing you know, he'll be knighted by the Queen of England herself.
Big also mentioned that he's been on the Space Colony ARK. HOWWWW???
Did Froggy learn chaos control and telepprt himself to the ARK? Maybe Big went to fish inside of the artifical chaos, that's made of water lol
@@lunarribbon917 Remember how big just went to the Egg carrion in SA1? Bro probably pulled the same manuver and stole a rocket.
Maybe he went with Shadow there without being noticed.
Or it's a SA2 reference, Big was in the ARK too during all that.
Big has canonically interacted with Gerald and Maria, this is wholesome.
After what they’ve been through, they deserve to meet the most chill character in this franchise
If only Cream were there, you know her and Maria would become best friends so fast.
And Elise btw
@@megablueflash1816 why do I for some odd reason believe cream should've been in Shadow Generations instead?
8:18 Maria made Shadow blush! Like she's the first person to actually make him blush in any canon media ever. Maria really made Shadow blush, smile, and cry. I love it that he's actually feeling more feelings in this game!
Also her getting more lore development and the fact that she's been to Spagonia, has a baby sister and she goes into more detail about her disease, NIDS (Neuro-Immune Deficiency Syndrome) really helped her character, considering we didn't know much about her before and now we know so much. It's great!
sonic characters can blush?
the manual for SA2 tells us she has NIDS and what it stood for. And thats why she was on the space colony ark.
@@rickjames5998
They had mentioned what she had, but not much about what she thought or felt about the disease herself
It's nice to have that info frow her own account nwn
To this day, Omega is still among my favorite characters. Happy he was included in this.
Wish he appeared in a animated series.
Well, if you count the two of the three dark beginnings, then aaaaalmost?..
@@InkerRopes exactly, and I guess those team sonic racing shorts
Still very sweet that Omega thought about Rouge and was worried about her. Same for how he was set to protect Gerald and Maria. Their personal bodyguard of sorts, and thats why he's the best bot pal
LETS GO TEAM DARK!!!
They are a team so every teampartner ahs the back of other. That's fine. It's normal. But yeah we love it.
I love how we get more of a glimpse into Gerald and Maria's lives, like how Gerald has two sons, with him implying which one is Maria's father and which one is Eggman's. And apparently Maria has a little sister. I wonder if that sister will ever come into play in the future.
There’s a chance! In Archie Comics, there’s a girl named Hope who looked extremely like Maria. She’s Gerald’s Great Grandchild. (Although, in that line, her father was Robotnik’s brother, so clearly just descended from one of the kids there)
She’s an utter badass, and she and Shadow were such great friends. I’d love to see her return in some way.
@@Norinia Thing is, there's a mandate preventing Archie characters from returning.
@@mariobroultimate1808 I hate those mandates so much. #FUCKKENPENDERS
@@mariobroultimate1808 They could easily make a character like her; since the context of the games are different, there's no way they could directly copy her in and breach contract. I'd love to see this sister character show up and give Shadow another friend 🥺
maybe they could introduce a grandchild of maria’s sister, that would be cool
Man, just being able to see and hear Maria speak again in real time and not a flashback is just soul-healing. The poor girl's been through a lot and yet she's still the happiest one in the room. It's no wonder how she's the only one who can convince Shadow and even make him emotional. It's as Gerald described her when he first seen her born: She's too perfect
Interacting with Maria and the Professor is so surreal...
Big's cameos in SA2, Spagonia and Soleanna mentioned and even the friggin coffee beans bit from the Twitter takeover? Is there anything these guys won't reference????
Coffee beans bit?!
@@Mrs.Jekyll It's one of the running gags for the Sonic & Co Twitter Takeovers that Shadow is so raw he doesn't drink coffee, he eats coffee. (as in, the beans)
i love that Big of all people is the only character that got to meet Elise post time reset, & of course he would be capable of learning Chaos Control.
I mean, considering the time periods we visit, Rouge is already a tad too late,
Chaos Island is basically at the highest security possible until future Sonic beats The End;
Soleana is in the middle of Eggman invading it & the only treasure there is Mephiles which she already stole,
Space Colony Ark is the current by Generations one so GUN has already plundered it
I doubt Big can be capable of Chaos Control. To to understand it to an extent I’ll believe
@@TheKing-uu7jn i mean, it is Big the Cat after all. i wouldn't be shocked if the writing team just meme him the power of using Chaos Control
@Artista_Frustrado At the end of the day, what is Anime Bad Direction TM other than unknowing teleportation?
...
I'm wondering if Sage's explanation for Big being in the Frontiers fishing spots was wrong, and it was actually Big all along.
@@ShadwSonic He was too much for her computer brain.
Maria telling Shadow that she loves him and she always will was such a sweet moment. I think that’s something Shadow needed to hear after everything he’s been through.
12:28 I love that they bring attention to Big's inexplicable and random cameos in SA2, lol.
Anyone else notice Shadow's tiny smirk when Big greeted him?
No? His face was covered by his back
@@Mrs.JekyllHere 11:04
Just when I think I've seen all that this campaign has done right... Not only has it given me what I didn't realize I wanted with _characterization for Omega,_ but it also brings up the whole "Dual Chaos Control" thing from '06. Before, any attempt of mine to pull off certain plans involved writing in special exceptions for myself for the whole "retconned" thing, but that detail being just... _handed_ to us in that manner eliminates that need. And all without even beginning to strain credulity either!
Edit: And they also seem to have recanonized the original Big cameos in SA2... in a way that makes it seem like he has "Anime Bad Direction tm" to some degree. The silly lug doesn't seem to mind though.
I don't want to know Maria's parents' reaction to her death.
They probably blamed themselves and Abe's parents for convincing them to leave her on the Ark.
Especially since G.U.N now canonically just gunned down (no pun intended) most of the staff, except for capturing Gerald Robotnik alive.
@@NoriniaAbe also survived. They may tell him Shadow was indeed "the bad guy" as he kinda suspected after meeting Black Doom.
Don't think GUN actually killed everybody, they just attacked Maria to try to avoid her to sending Shadow to earth (without success, of course). To me the way it was portrayed in Sonic X it's the most accurate way it could have happened.
@@TheSuperPlayer707 pretty sure they did killed Maria. You just couldn't accept
@@Mrs.Jekyll I think he meant their intention was only to harm her, not that she didn't die. There's no denying that.
@@Norinia only to execute him later
8:56 LET'S GOOOO SHE SAW SONIC RAHHHH
That won’t mess up the timeline…
@@SonicTheBlueFastBoi
Some Random Gun Soldier: Agreed.
Even she didn't meet Sonic in person time and space in white space
@@unknownbunny9888 Bruh... you're wrong for that but well played.
@@unknownbunny9888lmao
10:08 Sonic Unleashed reference, Maria has been to Spagonia.
Wow Maria really went to Spagonia (France) reference since in day time it shows Paris theme in a way.
She knew Professor Pickle as a child I’m calling it!
That would be a crossing path. In other words maybe you're right if only Sega can do some sort of comic dub or something that has to do with Maria life before Shadow it's been created.
@@danyaelquinones6778I'm French and I can tell you that it's actually Italy ! It looks a bit like France but it isn't.
@@joshuadesousa6668 Gotta be, a fellow professor who met Dr. Robotnik would be interesting.
It's so sad my Boy Big can never take Maria fishing, at least he took Gerald (never thought this would cross my mind)
Huh... if you look back at the Sonic Adventure cutscene it makes a bit of sense on why Big appeared on Shadow's story they both used the same Chaos Emerald.
Well Big the Cat did appear in Sonic adventure 2 but not in the Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 game.
Good catch.
@@danyaelquinones6778 No, Big the cat did not appeared on Shadow the hedgehog (2005)
@@TatanS10 Exactly.
9:03 we never did ask what Maria’s condition was, did we? Holy $#!+…she always seemed so energetic, but she was going through _all of that?_
9:52 Complete New Lore Dump. Gerald and Maria knew about the Chao?!
We already know. Nero-Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Maria essentially has brain cancer.
So, what is her condition? Alzheimer's? Dementia? Huntington's? I can't think of any disease where you're blind, paralysed, and catatonic.
What's her condition tho?
@@WIDOMUAIDS. Literally, but they call it NIDS.
@@Down_Triangle Headcanon to why she got those AIDS or NIDS?
11:27 “and on days like these, Hedgehogs like you should be burning hell”
I'm glad I wasn't the only one. 😂
Scrambled Patrick "Ugly Barnacle" clip intensifies
LOL! This got me good. I immediately heard the music in my head 💀
It's been awhile but I instantly remembered the reference
7:28 EXPLODE?!
We've seen what happens when Shadow removes his wrist rings in 06', but imagine what would happen if he removed all four! Dude would be like a volcano!
All these scenes are so fantastic! The lore, the references, the questions finally answered and extra insight into the story and characters included. I enjoy them all so much! Thank you for collecting these!
I think he also was referring to how unstable Shadow's body must have been because of the Doom Power mutations
When I saw this, I was thinking about episode 3 of my hero academia (dont hurt me)
I remember when I read that and thought "Damn, our boy is ridiculously powerful. I don't want to know the enemy that would force him to go Super + remove his limiters"
I’m so glad you shared this because these conversations answer SO many questions.
Omega suggesting Shadow should be able to turn his hand into a gun is too much 😂
12:15 ELISE MENTIONED!!!
RED ALERT!
Did Big the Cat really went to Soleanna and meet Princess Elise that impossible Big didn't even appear in Sonic 06.
@@danyaelquinones6778 maybe he went after 06 events in one of his many fishing adventures, i mean even if they cant remember what happened doesn't mean soleanna doesn't exist
@@alrox9760thats what im thinking too. it would be cool to see elise return in some way
@@danyaelquinones6778
People can just visit places sometimes, you know. You can test it yourself by going outside.
@@danyaelquinones6778 Soleanna still exists, they just prevented the creation of Solaris, but even after that happens you see in the next scene that Soleanna and Elise still exist.
Not expecting Big to mention Elise but here we are.
I can't believe Rouge the Bat, E123 Omega and Big the Cat meet Professor Gerald Robotnik and Maria in offscreen while Shadow is fighting bosses and run courses. My mind is blown but never had a chance to encounter one another in a cutscene. She also mentioned Abe but Shadow couldn't tell her that he alive in his timeline and that he a commander of GUN (the same GUN government that gotta shoot her and arrest/execute Gerald). Especially Maria telling Shadow that did he made friends and mentioning a blue hedgehog (Sonic) Shadow has to tell Maria everything about his life and friends but you know what they say never tell anyone their own future.
Yeah….that’d be stressful if Maria or Gerald knew about it.
I mean it's not like Classic Sonic and Tails didn't get spoiled about the future too lol, was there even any risk in them knowing about their fates?
@@Josuh wait, maybe that’s why the classic timeline supposedly split and created mania and superstars.
8:44 a baby sister?Thats so cute but was that ever mentioned before? Maybe we can see her in the future
Holy moly I did not notice that! Shadow needs to see her!
Considering the time difference she must be around 50 by now.. and considering the references to eggman’s extended family I can’t help but wonder if Abe Tower was only the start of people having beef with shadow (or Gerald and by extension shadow).
Actually, you think one of eggman’s relatives is the reason GUN has all those mechs and robots?
@@theheroneededwillette6964It's possible but I think it's more likely that in addition to working on Project Shadow, G.U.N also had Gerald design mechs and weapons for them.
@@Burning-Twilight but what about the ones made after the whole mess. I’m pretty sure the mech tower drove in several paths in shadow’s game was a recent development.
@@theheroneededwillette6964 I'd imagine that in time they were able to start designing mechs and weapons on their own and just building off what Gerald may have originally designed.
Just like in real life we have constantly built on the foundations of previous inventors long after they had passed.
Gerald: When we are gone, live for yourself. Fulfill your full potential.
Sorry Gerald, your son just can't forget you twoTVT
He did on shadow the hedgehog’s ending. That’s literally the whole point of that game’s ending
@@yayo_youtubehe doesn’t forget them, he learns to leave the past behind him while moving forward as his own person, BUT they’re still his family and their loss was deeply traumatic. That’s not something you can ever fully walk away from. What’s nice is that the teams behind Shadow Gens and Dark Beginnings brought some much needed recognition to this in the present day and thus Shadow feels more multifaceted and fleshed out than ever.
Can I comment about how my heart melted when heard Gerald calling Shadow his "finest creation" then Maria saying "I'm so proud of you" and "I believe in you"? Man, they really loved Shadow a lot. Indeed they were feeling like his father and sister cheering him up, looking after him at his lowest. 😢😢😢
13:35 Something about Big the Bat wanting to learn Chaos Control is just scary.
Wait till you see Big's bio
Big could be the strongest character of the franchise if he locked in, he just chooses not to.
If the world was falling apart, and somehow the villain responsible for it decided to squish an innocent little Froggy, then Big might just single-handedly smash the villain to bits.
@@Boomblox5896 Big pulling the super emeralds to save Froggy (He's about to go Hyper)
I really appreciate all of the lore drops with new and old information. What intrigues me is Gerald two sons and maria little sister. Kinds random for them to drop that info unless its predicting us meeting them in the future or we already have. But by now maria's sister is probably 50+ and not sure if gerald sons are alive and if so i wonder what influence they had on the Sonic world.
We know one of those sons eventually helped create Maria, and the other one gave us Ivo, already there they have played a major role.
My guess is that Maria's sister is meant to be the great-great-....great-grandmother of Eggman Nega, since I'd imagine they'd want him to be a descendant from Gerald's branch of the family tree.
Eggman Nega is from a different dimension. Nothing to do with this dimension's Gerald.
@@SonicMegaKing I do prefer Nega being Blaze's Eggman counterpart, but I'm sort of inclined to believe they're still going with the Sonic Rivals explanation of Nega being a Robotnik family descendent from the future considering how they included a direct Sonic Rivals 2 reference in Gerald's Journal.
Though I guess maybe it could just be that the Ifrit from Rivals 2 is canon, but the whole "Nega being from the future" thing isn't.
@ZKTurtle His bio on Sonic Channel uses the Rivals 2 backstory, so it's definitely the canon one
Awww, such wholesome and informative conversations. 🥺
why do they make omega only say a bit of the voice lines. Kinda sad that gerald never mentioned eggman. Anyways notice how gerald said to shadow to not tell him anything about the future cuz it’ll ruin time and maria now knows who sonic is. I wonder what this could mean. If anything i hope gerald and maria doesn’t actually come back to life forever cuz that would ruin adventure 2s theme
Almost like this game has bad dialogue or something
@willberto6969 ... It doesn't. Omega (or anyone's text lines) are not voiced since they're easily missable, and Gerald doesn't mention Eggman because he's from before the ark incident, and thus shortly after he stopped speaking with his sons. It's entirely possible Eggman's dad had him without telling Gerald because, according to Gerald (both in person and his journal), they barely spoke to eachother after Maria got into the ARK.
@@friskycalibri2293I kinda doubt it…but only because of Eggman mentioning that Gerald was his personal hero when he was a kid in SA2. Makes one wonder just where things went wrong…
@@omnimon2230 from what we can read from Gerald's Journal, Maria getting NIDS may be when everything went wrong.
I think Gerald did mention Eggman indirectly when mentioning his two sons.
Also, I HIGHLY doubt that they’ll ever bring them back to life in some way, temporarily, or permanently. Either way, if they did, then I do have to agree that it’ll mess up all of Shadow’s character development, and the events of SA2.
A 2nd also: I was NOT expecting to see you here.😅
11:35 they say whoever Denys bigs fishing, is never seen again, if shadow isn’t in the next sonic game you know why ;)
2:38 Sonic and Shadow are equal in speed and strenght...Many said that Shadow was physically stronger, even though there were no feats to prove it. Now it's better confirmed. I saw people saying that Shadow was even physically stronger than Knuckles, lol. Now it is indeed confirmed that Knuckles is in fact the physically strongest among Sonic and friends.
Sonic is faster little bit than Shadow. But Shadow has more skills and know how to use weapons. Also, we still don't know how fast Shadow can if he takes his limit rings off. For Knuckles, Knuckles can catch Shadow's spin attack until Shadow takes his limit rings off in Sonic X.
@@wongnexus7716 Bro, accept the official information haha. They are equal in speed and strength. About skills, it's subjective, the difference is that he has some chaos powers, but Sonic only uses his own skills, so in physical skills he is excellent, since he only uses this in general. And Sonic X is not canon, it's different from the games.
Yeah but he was winded regardless with the inhibitor rings off 😂. Knuckles a GOAT@@wongnexus7716
@@hwanniggles187 That's the true power for Knuckles
Its a shame Shadow *has* to wear inhibitor rings to keep his power at levels that dont distress or disadvantage his body, otherwise they wouldn't be so equal anymore. But the latter is the MC after all so its only practical
14:47 I think this confirms a theory of mine regarding the Classic and Modern timelines. The idea is that while there was indeed a split at some point, the new Classic games, Mania and Superstars, still take place in the past, it's just that their events didn't take place in the Modern timeline. In other words, Classic didn't just travel across time in Forces, he still also went forward.
How the split happened I'll still have to think about. I guess that the easy answer is that it happened because of Generations, as I can't imagine the time-space continuum getting away from everything unscathed.
Edit: Correction, either I'm suffering from a bad case of the mandela effect and convinced myself that the New Classic games take place in a separate timeline or they re-retconned the split. Either way, it's good because a single timeline still makes more sense to me.
Nah, we have seen the modern characters talk about Mania and Superstars in TailsTube and the Twitter takeovers. Intended to be in continuity.
Theres no split timeline. Thats being avoided, look at Gerald stating how important is to keep everything flowing to how it should be.
Please, my brain.
@@lAlwaysHopel does beg the question of why the Phantom Ruby wasn't recognized.
@@brolytriplethreat Yeah, bad writing I would say. They probably will retconned it later.
This made me want to see Maria and Gerald again.
Gerald probably figured all of the details out about what's to happen to them. He already had G.U.N. breathing down his neck, and he knows the Black Comet only comes around every 50 years, meaning for Shadow to have fought Black Doom before, at least 50 years must have passed.
But as for Maria? While I don't think she's figured out nearly as much as Gerald, I do think she figured out that she's gonna die. But honestly, I think that she thinks that it's because they couldn't find a cure.
While SEGA has been very firmly trying to say everything's one timeline, I'm still in the camp of Generations causing a timeline split. Because of that, I have to wonder that, if it were true, did the ARK massacre get avoided in the hypothetical Mania timeline? Is it possible that while Sonic's doing the whole Phantom Ruby song and dance, Shadow's just kinda... around? Not sealed away in the depths of Prison Island, but instead just kinda being well-adjusted? The elusive and thought-impossible *Shadow That Goes To Therapy?*
I've very curious about the Robotnik family tree now.
You and me both, lol. The whole Robotnik line has gotten even more deeply intertwined with the entire game series' events. Makes me wonder if Maria's baby sister who would be in her 50s by now will show up in the main series, possibly in whatever will serve as a sequel to Sonic Frontiers.
we need to see sonic interacting with maria ASAP
I don't love how much of this is optional. Most of my issues with the story are resolved with Gerald and Maria's conversations but they're really easy to miss.
15:51 no one is going to talk about this? shadow x rouge shippers we eating
It's canon
That's kinda forced, she says to take care, and it sounds like amy cause she cares about some creatures too (birds, gamma, kocos)
LETS GOOOOOOOO!!!!
SHADOUGE FTW 🔥🔥🔥
I can't belive i missed this dialogue in my playthrough. Rouge is pretty much the only character that makes sense to pair Shadow with cause she is the closest character to Shadow in the present day. Were it not for Shadow s loner personality, Id bet it would be a canon pairing by now.
@@rush99 forced? Rouge may feel a little scared since shadow doesn't have all chaos emeralds, shadow already fought with Black Doom but he doesn't have all chaos emeralds so i think she is scared about that, She knows that shadow is in a weak mind state because he can see Gerald and Maria, thats why she opened with shadow. I don't feel this is forced but something like "i want you to let you know"
3:21 hollup Shadow can make his hand into a gun?
Theoretically
If the shadow androids can have gun arms, then the real deal should be able to do so as well.
Personally, I think Omega just _wants_ Shadow to turn his hand into a gun. I don't think Shadow could do that himself now that Black Doom is dead again.
I mean, bro already has a far-range tazer gun.
@@glacierwolf2155 Chaos Spear?
I absolutely love that Omega was given more character in these little tidbits than he's gotten in most games. Thank you Ian for reminding Sonic Team that Shadow, Rouge, and Omega are true allies and *friends*, not just the anti-villains who get lumped together.
Ian didn't remind Sonic Team of anything, what are you even talking about. Shadow, Rouge, and Omega have never been portrayed as just "anti-villains who get lumped together" lmao they've always been shown to be allies/friends. Comments like yours make no sense and pretend like what's already been happening never happened.
@chrange9714 Literally Shadow's character profile on the official Sonic website stated "he has no friends" and they have been pushing that portrayal of him for a decade. What are *you* talking about?
@@SLTheOneAndAwesome19 One I can't even find where that's official said so as of rn you're wrong and two he doesn't have any friends, not any buddy buddy ones. The only true friend like that he's ever had was Maria, Omega and Rouge are friends but way more like allies. This has always been how Shadow is portrayed since his debut in SA2, not something they just started pushing for the last decade. Again what are YOU talking about?
@chrange9714 Since you can't share links, I'll just copy paste the text from the bio: "Shadow the Hedgehog - Shadow is known as the ultimate lifeform. He was created by Prof. Gerald Robotnik (Dr. Eggman’s grandfather) as part of a complex conspiracy involving the military and some ravenous aliens. Shadow has incredible speed, ferocious strength, and a rare ability called “Chaos Control” - by utilizing the power of a Chaos Emerald, he can stop time and appear to warp to a new position instantaneously. Shadow is always on the prowl for dangers to the world. While he has no love for it or its people, they were cherished by his one friend: the late Maria Robotnik (Dr. Eggman’s cousin). He protects Earth in honor of her memory; willing to do anything, and fight anyone, to ensure no one threatens the world Maria cherished. While Shadow prefers to be alone, he allows himself to trust in the occasional support of Rouge and Omega. They are the only ones he can count on for help that won’t question his methods."
@@chrange9714 Just because he have not seen it doesn't mean its not true.
The profile talked about is from last years "Sonic Fast friends forever" champagnes official Website.
Ian Flynn also talked on his pod cast about how Sega told him that Shadow has no friends when he asked about it for writing on the comics a few years ago.
And Iizuka in some interviews leading up to Shadow Generations did also talk about Shadow as if Maria is literally all that there is to his life (assuming the official subtitles on him aren't wrong).
I see a lot of 06 references. Mephiles not being remembered, acquainted time-traveller being Silver, 2 users using chaos control together, big meeting Elise. I thought Sega wanted to forget 06. 😂
Nah, 06 was cool. Sonic's story was meh, and the game itself was glitchy and unfinished, but they definitely were cooking something with Mephiles, and with Shadow's and Silver's Story, and with the music. Plus, Silver's been popping up in things since after 06.
Actually, in recent years SEGA (i mean the japanese side) has frequently referred to 06 through the various initiatives of the Sonic Channel; just to make some examples there are:
1) the artworks of the "Life in the Sonic World" collection; almost all of the Silver-centric ones are set in locations from 06 (Soleanna and Crisis City... which is still Soleanna, by the way).
2) the 2021 Sonic-Silver cover story written by Eitaro Toyoda, also set in Soleanna (specifically Kingdom Valley) and focusing on what is apparently a traditional legend of Soleanna from Silver's future, a story about a mythical "revival bridge"
3) the 2023 monthly series of AU scenarios written by Toyoda known as the "otherworld comedies"; one of these (the March one) has, as protagonists, Silver and Elise (who, by the way, got the role of the co-protagonist by winning a japanese-only fan poll on twitter😂) as a Coach-student duo of figure ice skaters and features various references to 06 including an almost perfect replica of the cutscene in which Silver gives Elise gives the blue emerald as a lucky charm (the only differences are that Elise is awake this time and that she's 17)
This "SEGA is so ashamed of 06 that they want us to forget its existence" thing has always sounded more like a fan myth to me, especially if we're talking about SEGA of Japan.
If we analyze the meta era we'll notice that 06 has never been its sole victim, every Sonic game that had a more serious/shonen-like was tone was sidelined during that period and anything that could be interpreted as a reference to those games disappeared (the absolute best was Forces in which they managed to conceive the concept of "world dominated by Eggman" without ever showing a single human being or making any reference to the United Federation or G.U.N.).
@@lucamalacrida8859 to be honest, i was always unsure if Crisis City was specifically Soleanna or some other, non-Venice esque city somewhere.
I always assumed Iblis would have long since burned Soleanna to the ground, considering that was where he was awakened. And that he was a global catastrophe that popped up in a new place each time
@@brolytriplethreat it never made any sense to me either😅😅.
Like, isn't Soleanna the epicenter of the day of disaster? Logically it should have been burned to ashes but as long as official material like the Encyclo-speed-ia says that Crisis City is Soleanna's new city then it's true
@lucamalacrida8859 I also don't remember Soleanna being so skyscraper-y but I've also never actually _played_ 06 proper. I've watched it played, I've played P-06, but not the original thing with the hub worlds and stuff.
Maybe they just rebuilt while Iblis was off burning Spagonia or something, I dunno
7:36 is…is no one going talk about this?
The poor boi holds too much power to where his Limiter Rings are pretty much the main things keeping him alive. But what doesn't get me is the time that Shadow DID explode with his rings on. That had to be more powerful than Shadow handling his Doom Powers
16:09 Foreshadowing for a future game? 👀🤔Hmmm
I think so too since maria says that she will see shadow again. Unless they completely kill him off which is super unlikely. Plus he’s immortal so no way to see themselves unless something happens. Like a person that can bring people back to life like a power… like the seven deadly sins where idk a person is able to control the body of a dead person. Until the dead person Denys the creator giving life. (Ban and Elaine) but most likely she will be a ghost and disappear once the user/boss dies
Marie has a baby sister!
... wait, Maria had a little sister?!
There should be a spin-off game involving Big the Cat and his various hijinks throughout the franchise.
He managed to get on the Ark and even meet Elise?
8:33 Oh Maria, you sweet summer child…
So those SA2 eastereggs of Big are canon
5:12 nice SA2 Reference
That's a Sonic '06 reference
@@remnantofthefirstworld2930 Oh, my bad. But I just remember the same thing was in SA2, in the end of Biolizard final battle, when Shadow and Sonic used double chaos control to stop ARK from falling, but now I just remembered that they did it in super form only.
@@iljafedorenko3080Gerald talks about a portal through time which only happens in 06
Look at 15:43 Rouge confesses something interested to ear. Shadouge
Will the Maria NPC remain in the white space after beating the game? Because you know what happened in the ending.
Ye
10:53 BIIIIIIIIIIG THEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
5:09 Sonic 06 reference
You see, this is why they should've found some way to let Maria and Gerald live. We never even see her parents or her sister. Heck, they literally have no idea that their daughter/sister was alive again at some point. That's crazy!
I just can't accept what Gerald said. The story potential of them both sticking around feels too great to simply brush it aside for the sake of logic.
Big can use Chaos control??
IMO the final battle should have been doom shadow without inhibitor rings. The ring draining would have actually played out well here
Wait what? Maria has a little sister? oh dear.
Also Shadow is a high school drop out confirmed XD
You missed one for Omega it's during the point when you've started either Kingdom Valley or Sunset Heights but, haven't completed them both.
Are you sure? What does he say?
@Shadiochao He mentions Soleanna saying he can't enter the ruins of Kingdom Valley cause he would just destroy them. Then mentions a time space anomaly in an urban area saying he has no data on the egg tech there saying it's most likely from the future. And the last one is just about saying he's glad to work with Shadow.
I might just be stupid, but honestly, I’m REALLY struggling to figure out if Big is from the past or the present-
Did proffesor even mention his grandson
So I beat Shadows story but it still shows that a character bio is missing in the Collection Room. Anyone figure it out yet
Maybe a placeholder for Keanu Shadow when the DLC comes out in December?
@MrTanokki it's Gerald Robotnik. Which is weird because you meet him in the story but his bio didn't show up until I got all of his journal pages
8:57 Maria: Hey Shadow I Saw You Racing Away With That Blue Hedgehog.
Shadow: Don't Remind Me That (While he remembers the humiliation that Sonic did to him)
3:22 I’m not sure what’s funnier; Omega thinking that Shadow can grow a gun straight from his hand…
13:36 …Or Big the Cat learning to use Chaos Control. Both made me laugh out loud the first time I read them.
Where is Froggy? 🐸
Even if the past can't chamged for this siitation, the present problem can be resolved. If the chaos can resurrect then most likely it was a miner task for all 7, so in theory one or two should be able yeld the same results while many can multi-res.
10:10 Shadow would get along with Captain Janeway very well I see.
Shadow likes eating raw coffee beans according to twitter takeover. That's a reference. 😂
She said food btw, not drink
@@retroas2683 👍
I want to rant so much, but this is for your video on comparing the cutting scenes
There were inconsistencies talking about dimensional energy, but yet they changed part where it used to be through time and space to then just be time and tails and cream didn’t talk about being stuck in a “dark void” for some reason. if it’s now consistently tying then classic sonic is young sonic therefore, is there a timeline?
Also, with the purple dude, instead of saying, I feel great darkness. It’s great evil.
I prefer the old ending because Amy force paling knuckles that hard back into a tree is hilarious
What I feel was contradicting is in one cut scene with the time dark magic you weren’t able to see which Eggman was being captured at first, but at the end with the dark magic portal in the old cut scene, you can see where they go, but yet in the newer one, you don’t
Why’s Big in Shadow Generations?
He was suck into white space along with their other friends. Since he wasn’t at Sonic’s party, he ended up getting sent to where Shadow was
He was looking for Froggy.
"Why is Big in [place]?" is his whole schtick
Because he wasn't in Sonic Generations
Big gets everywhere. The Ark, the setting of the most poorly received Sonic game of all time, here in White Space, Digital Worlds, and beyond. Always looking for somewhere new to fish or looking for Froggy, lol.
BBVBBBB BIG THE CATTTTT
it's bog the cat
nobody talking about gerald apparently having a second son besides ivo???
The one in robotics is where eggman is from. While the other is Maria's father
Wait Maria She Have Baby Sister!?
...wait... hmmm... maybe we already saw Maria's sister before. Just not sure who it couldve been...
Bleh, these references feel extremely forced, like a really bad Family Guy cutaway
“Hey Shadow, remember the time we went to Spagonia” oh my god shut up
and you are commenting as if you were overhyping that one western godzilla movie that nobody liked
it was far more forced and in your face in Frontiers, trust me
this feels like actual lore/worldbuilding by comparison
@@UltimatePhantasmI think both games have bad writing
@@willberto6969 its not forced if u ignore em..
Then don't talk to the npcs if you don't want them to talk about their lives.