Thank you for making this video, it’s a good lesson to learn for everyone else, I recently purchased a SGC 9 card and was hoping to cross over grade it at PSA, will 100% be cracking it open and submitting raw now. Card is worth too much to have it come back as an 8 or God forbid a 7.
Yes, crack it! Hopefully when you crack it you will find that it looks like it will cross over to a 9 with PSA just be careful when you crack it, take your time!
This is PSA's way of saying they are superior. The truth is grading is subjective and SGC's criteria isn't the same as PSA's. Example I believe SGC puts way more emphasis on centering than PSA, flip the coin and I think PSA puts way more emphasis on surface than SGC.
I have sent to PSA the same cards crossed over vs cracked raw and received very different results. For example, two cards I tried to cross over came back as trimmed, sent in as raw and they both graded a PSA 9 from BGS 9. One BGS old label cracked open and sent raw went from BGS 8.5 to PSA 10 - 1986/87 Opc Mario Lemieux. This was an old old Beckett label when they graded really tough. Two other old BGS labels went from BGS 9 to PSA 10 and another went from BGS 9.5 to PSA 10
Nice, it seems like you ultimately had good results, after cracking of course. I think I may do something where I resub a few of these cards, of course I'd have to crack them out of their PSA holder first, look them over, see if they are worth resub'ing, etc. If I find a few then it will turn into a future video that pops up on my channel 6 months from now. Thanks for watching and commenting, much appreciated.
As a first time submitter to PSA last month, I sent in two Tom Brady Rookies both appeared perfect to me looking through a jewelers loupe. I paid $150 each for express 14 day grading. I must have received a lazy ass grader as he returned one as undersized and the other was graded a 7. Total waste of time and money. I also subscribed for $99 so I could bulk submit for $18 economy grade only to find out that it was discontinued but a $22 service was now in effect. Problem is they kept my Tom Brady rookie because I stopped my credit card payment for the $99 subscription. I will never do business with them again! I believe they are a total sham company especially since there are no subgrades anymore. Who's to question their grades now? Why was my Tom Brady rookie a 7?
Yeah, that of course! Back in 2021 when I did this it never crossed my mind that the cards could drop that much, I was like, yeah, hey PSA take these slabs, slap the same grade on them and I'll make some money, lmao. The biggest mistake was obviously just not cracking them out of the slab but again, this was my first time trying to cross over and with more recent crossovers I have done, I always cracked them out and generally had great results.
You say only 30 steps, but to the mailman's perspective that's another 30 steps to take. If you have over 100 deliveries to make in a certain time frame and have to run up and down stairs for 75 percentage of packages some big, some small you'll understand. You may also say the people at PSA had the same attitude about you not cracking your slabs as you has about the postman not climbing your stairs! 🤷
@@imperfectgamer54 LOL, nice, I bow in your (online) presence then good sir! I appreciate you watching and commenting, I forgot to mention that in my previous comment!
Haha, yeah, they kicked my butt but as I've said to other people who have commented, don't do what I did, crack them first if you are going to try it, lesson learned. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
This must be taken one step further. For the card-collecting community, you need to crack them all and have someone else re-submit them to PSA, and let's find out for certain if this company is committing fraud.
I will do something with a resub, I have them set aside, that will probably happen next year. I hadn't thought about having something else sub them for me, maybe I sent them to group submitter and then end up making a video about how that group submitter stole my cards and declared bankruptcy, lol, anything for the community, haha. I don't know if I'll resub them in all seriousness, it all depends on what they look like when I crack them, some may get sub'd again if they look good, for the cards the look bad I wouldn't sub them though. Basically though, I'm just waiting to see if they drop their prices again, maybe in a few months. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment, I appreciate it!
This is just PSA's ego trying to make SGC look bad(its obvious which is why not a single card got a higher grade). If these were sent in raw, 110% some of them wouldve came back higher grade(PSA is just trying to make SGC look stupid). We all know SGC is very consistent and super accurate with grading. PSA is so inconsistent its not even funny, one min a card could be an 8, and if you crack it, resend it, it might come back a 10. That shit will never happen with SGC.
That may very well be true but of course I made the mistake of putting it in their hands from the jump, obviously I should have cracked them so I have to own that.
@John Jordan I hear you, it's not something you want to do with having tried it on some lower end cards first. If you really want to crack some then I'd buy a couple cheap slabs to practice on, buy some low grades ones that are super cheap just to practice and perfect your techniques. There are videos on youtube where people saw you how to do it as well, I watched some before I did it on my own. If you have nay questions send them over.
@@ibarra708 Even if they did, you know how it goes, it's not like they'd admit it. I made the mistake and put it in their hands, I was green to crossovers back then so I have to own it and not put myself in that situation again. Thanks for watching the video and commenting Ricardo, I really appreciate it!
I knew that you of all people would get my mistake, not cracking, examining very throughly, etc. I guess I can take solace in the fact that whether the card was a 10 that dropped to a 9 or a 9 that dropped to a 7, they aren't worth s*** anyway, lol, so, very little money was lost at current prices, haha
I can say though that this has only been a problem when I moved to my new place, that was back in April. I had about 7 PSA come back in 2021 where I was living before, a different city, albeit only 10 minutes from where I am now, I never had a problem. The mail man would bring it up every time for me to sign, however, at that place there was an elevator, perhaps if it was stairs, he'd punk out as well, haha
That's not going "Karen", that's letting our Federally funded mail operators know to stop wasting money on that bum ass employee... They probably do that for everyone on the top/middle floor, including that old elderly gentlemen who can't drive and taking a trip to the post office is an all day affair... "Karen" his ass.
Alright! Time for the real test now! Send them back to SGC to crack and replace with SGC slabs and see if they actually upgrade the lower PSA grades back up to their original grades. That would be a good look for SGC. PSA is shady. Unfortunate that they're getting rich off of us suckers!
LOL, right, that is a good idea. I actually plan to crack them and send them back to PSA just to see what happens, I'll probably do that in a couple months. I hadn't thought about sending them back to SGC though, maybe I do that after I send them back to PSA, haha
AND....this video is getting tons of views relative to my other videos, without my even pushing it out on social media so there's that, lol! You know how it is, I sacrifice it all for the community, haha
@@Diamond.Princess Good thing I'm a baller who can afford to lose thousands right, lol. You know, I thought about trying to figure out how much I potentially lost, leaving it as an SGC (at current market prices) vs. the new PSA grade. I'm still busy so I don't have time to do that now, maybe in a week or two, uh oh, just created another video for myself to do, haha. I imagine the loss is pretty substantial though, 20 or 24 cards came back lower....do I even want to know how big the 'L' was?
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 I would watch that and I think it’s a great follow up video. Probably won’t receive as many views as this but it will make for a great follow up. There is a large cult following for what NOT to do and what it can cost a person. I’d personally encourage the video. NOT that I encourage losing thousands for the greater good but it goes back to why I enjoyed your channel from the get go, it’s real shi… the good and the bad. Hopefully the next round is “ how to recover from a oops” 😁🥰
@@Diamond.Princess I do keep it real it, I keep it hood and always stay connected to the streets, lmao. I have some things that will keep me super busy the next week to 10 days but after that I will throw something together. I wanted to do what is planned to be a highly inappropriate halloween costume box opening series as well, those would be time sensitive of course, and culturally insensitive (costume wise) plus I'm about to start dropping the videos from my recent vacation.....and I still have a 409 card PSA order sitting in a huge box unopened so, I've got some s*** to do, lol
Just cracked a bunch of sgc 10s to cross grade and couldn't believe my eyes, they were all screwed up, dings, dents, scratches. Gonna still send to psa but definitely lost money
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 sadly, we don't have a choice when it's in the hands of a grader. If a company like PSA can upcharge you then they should also discount you on lower than expected grades 🤷🏻♂️
@@alwaysbelieve8396 That would be outstanding if that happened, I'm also that guy who wants to see a pro athlete have to give their salary back if they are injured and miss the year, Kawhi, looking at you, lol....I say that more in terms of football though, if guys can hold out for more money if they feel like they've outplayed their contract then the team should be able to get the money back if they don't play, fair is fair, upcharges and downcharges at PSA, same, but different!
LOL, right! I took a risk, got burned, it's all good though, it happened several months ago so I've gotten over it by now. Future video (maybe)....me cracking those cards that got lower grades and resubbing some, if any look like they may have been under graded!
It's asking for trouble when you don't make the minimum acceptable grade equal to or higher than the grade you're crossing over. You'd think that they'd want your business and try to give you the best objective grade they can. I suspect they feel as though they want to teach you a lesson that their grades are superior therefore more difficult to get than the other grading companies. I suppose if you send in a 10, you should ask them for a 10 grade or don't even crack it that way you won't lose value, you'll only be out the cost of the grading itself. I tend to like the HGA approach of having technology Discerning if an edge is clean and the Corners are Sharp than some guy who might not like the player you submitted for personal reasons or a mandated suppression of higher grades on certain players. Look no further then Ricky Henderson's rookie PSA 10 grades.
Maybe that was the case but as I've said to other, my bad, I blew on that. I didn't want them in SGC holders and it never occurred to me that cards would come back drastically lower so I f'ed up there, I will be avenged one day though and it will be a video, lol. What is the deal with Rickey Henderson rookies and PSA, I'm not familiar with that whole situation.
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 Out of the 27,693 PSA graded 1980 Topps Rickey Henderson Rookie cards #482 there are only 25 PSA 10 grades in existence. If Ricky Henderson would have been an average player, I doubt that you need to go through over 1,100+ of his Rookie cards cards for every one PSA 10 grade. They say how it was cut is the driving factor, but every other card was cut the same way. There are four corners to every sheet and that means four separate cards are on the corners and yet none are remotely close in scarcity in PSA 10 condition than this card. Think about it, only 25 and almost 28,000 cards are PSA 10. There's a couple thousand PSA 9s and over 11,000 PSA 8s. If I thought I had a 10, I would not let PSA grad it, that's for sure.
Psa will damage your cards and they give better grades to certain customers, im done with psa, wait times too long and horrible customer service, im sgc all they way now, fair consistent grading, quick turnaround, great customer service
Yikes, interesting case study... I guess it is worth the effort to crack the cards out of previous slabs and send in raw. The Airplane clips gave me a good laugh!!
LOL, yeah, it was my first time with a crossover so I really thought I'd be fine doing it that way. It never occurred to me that grades could be drastically different and I didn't take into consideration the factors that could lead to it, I f'd up though, I'll own it, I f'd up, haha. Glad you enjoyed the clips, not sure why those scenes popped into my mind when I was editing the video but with the beating I took I decided to roll with it!
The official story is that PSA thinks they're superior and if a silly little company like SGC says it's a 9 there's no way it's at the quality of a PSA 9 so it gets a 7. Such a joke. We've all seen the other crossover videos and it always seems like SGC, CSG, HGA, actually grade tougher. There shouldn't have been this much of a difference. Be sure to crack your slabs before sending in your crossover cards people.
Ego may be part of it as you stated! I messed up though, it was my first crossover order, sent it way back in early 2021 but it was partly an experiment as well. I did some crossover orders in early 2022, cracked those all out first and most of the cards crossed fine, 10's were 10's, 9's came back as 9's, etc
I'm super glad you made this video. I always heard from people that you should crack the slabs yourself, but was never sure what would happen in this type of situation. It kind of backs up what they were saying. Thank you for your sacrifice, lol. Seriously though it's a very helpful video.
@@psychokittytv4530 Thanks Psycho, I didn't intend to 'be the hero we all needed' lol, I certainly learned from it though. I'm probably going to take a long break from grading, I may start up again in 2023 but some of those cards may get cracked out of their PSA cases and turned into another video, for that one, I am willing to sacrifice more money just to see what happens!
It's not really about the money for me so it's truly a 'hobby', more money is great though, don't get me wrong, lol. I have a box set aside with some cards from past orders that I may resub, 9's that I thought would 10, I think that later in the year, late November or so, I may resub some of them. I figure I'll see what comes out of this large order I got back a couple weeks ago that I haven't opened, see if there are any resub candidates in there, combine that with some of these cards (from this video) and some of the others I have set aside in the past, resub them all at once and see what happens......a future video for sure
Haha, yeah, it was rough, all good though, I shot the video a couple months ago as I had mentioned.....I went through lots of therapy since then now I'm almost ready to get back on the saddle since they just lowered prices again, $18 a card, tempting, haha. Thanks for watching and commenting, much appreciated.
Ive watched a few of these crossover videos from various youtubers and one thing is consistent is if you want to crossover and get a better grade, crack them first. Also dont select minimal grade ever.
Absolutely, back when I did this I had never crossed over a card so I didn't think about all the ways a card could get damaged so like I've been telling others in the comments, I'll own it, it sucks but I messed up. I figure that most people know to crack them out but if there are others who don't know and see this video, hopefully it helps them learn something. Earlier this year I did some other crossover videos where I cracked the card first, most of the cards I sub'd came back as the same grade, an SGC 10 to a PSA for instance, so yeah, I f'd up, lol. Thanks for checking out the video and commenting, I appreciate you taking the time to do so.
I'd be hard pressed to cross over anything unless there's something that really made me think the grading could be improved because of the different standards the companies have.
A lot of what I purchased would have been PC items, SGC slabs can be had a lot cheaper but honestly, I don't like their slabs, that is why I was trying to cross them over. That said, I get what you are saying, if I like a certain slab better, why not just buy that to begin with right!
LOL, yeah, like I tell everyone though, I made the mistake of trusting the trade on the slab from the other company and then in trusting PSA so that error is on me.
PSA wants to show people that they grade the most stringent and or consistent. Sorry you learned an expensive lesson dude. Always crack the cards out yourself. Excellent video, thanks for sharing your results.
It's all good, I appreciate you watching and commenting and throwing some positive vibes my way. No one wants to take the huge 'L' like I took but as I have told others, I f'ed up, I didn't crack and I took of the minimum grade so I'm always going to accept responsibility for where I went wrong. That being said, F them, lol....kidding of course!
The real test is to crack them and resubmit... If they go up, your theory is more correct. You'd think the technology is better for grading. I think they can see more stuff these days.
I disagree, I submitted a large order to them in early 2021, I thought I would hit a ton of 10's, my opinion is their graders start out wanting to give 9.5's, that is their default, then again, maybe I'm just bad at pre-grading my stuff, haha
I think your mailman is a HGA fan boy and that's why he won't go up the stairs lol. Wow that was brutal! Now you need to crack them and resend to see if they get higher grades. Back in the day Beckett used it's price guide to suppress the value of other grading companies. Thanks for sharing
Facts....but I'll accept responsibility since I took off 'minimum grades' and didn't crack them, this was my PSA......about PSA, haha. Thanks for checking it out and commenting!
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 if PSA didn't have such a resale premium in the hobby, I think many people wouldn't use them. I've seen too many examples of cards getting bad grades that looked great and the collector couldn't make sense of it.
@@digginginthecards Agreed, that is the mentality of most, if the winds ever shift and some other company becomes the standard then people would obviously start to migrate that direction as well. Despite what happened here, generally my experience has been okay. I've been able be pretty close with my grade prediction video, predictions vs. what the grades came out as so I'm trying to not let this experience ruin things for me.
@@digginginthecards 100% agree, thanks for commenting and watching, sorry for the late reply, I've been shooting a lot of videos, several blind PSA reveals ironically enough, a large order from last year when it was $12 per card. You are right though, it's all about the resale, I like how the slabs look, I like CSG as well, not a fan of SGC slabs, that's my personal taste of course. I think that if the winds ever change and another slab starts selling for more people will get on that bandwagon en masse.
PSA used to use 3 different graders per card, circa 2009, now they use 2, I think. IMHO PSA is controlling the number of 10s they issue. A friend of mine only buys PSA 9s, (unless a bargain) because he says there is no really no difference between a 9 and a 10 except in someone's mind or opinion. Anyway, thanks for the video & good luck!
You friend has and interesting perspective and he sounds like a true collector. I've found it interesting, perhaps you and he have both noticed) but it seems like the 9 vs 10 spread has increased pretty drastically over the past year or so. It use to seem like a 10 was about 3 to 4x's as valuable as a 9 (generally speaking), now that spread seems a lot further as 10's are the thing. Given that I bet you friend is able to score some deals on 9's these days.
Lol. If any of you think PSA grades “harsher” than SGC or any other grading company you are a fool. Submitting these slabbed was a gift for the PSA grader, just took 1 to 2 points off automatically. The lazy card collector complaining about the lazy delivery person is hilarious. Reap those grades and keep supporting PSA, the garbage can of grading companies.
Stop talking bad about your letter carrier. If they are showing up that late everyday they are probably short handed and work very long hours to get your POS cards to you. Get some perspective. Maybe you should apply to your local post office and provide a service for your community.
@@TooLsoldier462 And you took the time to leave another comment trying to convince yourself that others are the problem. You seem to have some very serious issues, I hope you get help. I'll never get why people watch videos and feel the need to leave hostile comments, I don't live there. You'll have to figure out for yourself why it's so important to have the last word and why you get triggered watching other peoples' videos. Since you want to have the last word, go ahead, I've said my piece, some people cannot be helped, the floor is yours. One last thing, when you go out into the world today and this weekend I hope you don't behave out there how you do in the comments section here.
With all of these companies it really is hit or miss in terms of the results. Back in early 2022, or perhaps it was in 2021, I sent some stuff into SGC and they kind of F'ed me over as well....that is of course my opinion, haha.
Thank you for making this video, it’s a good lesson to learn for everyone else, I recently purchased a SGC 9 card and was hoping to cross over grade it at PSA, will 100% be cracking it open and submitting raw now. Card is worth too much to have it come back as an 8 or God forbid a 7.
Yes, crack it! Hopefully when you crack it you will find that it looks like it will cross over to a 9 with PSA just be careful when you crack it, take your time!
Live and learn! sorry for your results. Thanks for sharing tough! Have a great one!
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting Joe, it's true, we learn, move on and try not to made similar mistakes, take care and be well!
This is PSA's way of saying they are superior. The truth is grading is subjective and SGC's criteria isn't the same as PSA's. Example I believe SGC puts way more emphasis on centering than PSA, flip the coin and I think PSA puts way more emphasis on surface than SGC.
I have sent to PSA the same cards crossed over vs cracked raw and received very different results. For example, two cards I tried to cross over came back as trimmed, sent in as raw and they both graded a PSA 9 from BGS 9. One BGS old label cracked open and sent raw went from BGS 8.5 to PSA 10 - 1986/87 Opc Mario Lemieux. This was an old old Beckett label when they graded really tough. Two other old BGS labels went from BGS 9 to PSA 10 and another went from BGS 9.5 to PSA 10
Nice, it seems like you ultimately had good results, after cracking of course. I think I may do something where I resub a few of these cards, of course I'd have to crack them out of their PSA holder first, look them over, see if they are worth resub'ing, etc. If I find a few then it will turn into a future video that pops up on my channel 6 months from now. Thanks for watching and commenting, much appreciated.
Ouch… just OUCH. Thanks for sharing your experience for us all to learn from. 👍
As a first time submitter to PSA last month, I sent in two Tom Brady Rookies both appeared perfect to me looking through a jewelers loupe. I paid $150 each for express 14 day grading. I must have received a lazy ass grader as he returned one as undersized and the other was graded a 7. Total waste of time and money. I also subscribed for $99 so I could bulk submit for $18 economy grade only to find out that it was discontinued but a $22 service was now in effect. Problem is they kept my Tom Brady rookie because I stopped my credit card payment for the $99 subscription. I will never do business with them again! I believe they are a total sham company especially since there are no subgrades anymore. Who's to question their grades now? Why was my Tom Brady rookie a 7?
maybe when you called and told the lady to put one for a grade lol
Yeah, that of course! Back in 2021 when I did this it never crossed my mind that the cards could drop that much, I was like, yeah, hey PSA take these slabs, slap the same grade on them and I'll make some money, lmao. The biggest mistake was obviously just not cracking them out of the slab but again, this was my first time trying to cross over and with more recent crossovers I have done, I always cracked them out and generally had great results.
wow a real tough crossing. ugggggs
You say only 30 steps, but to the mailman's perspective that's another 30 steps to take. If you have over 100 deliveries to make in a certain time frame and have to run up and down stairs for 75 percentage of packages some big, some small you'll understand. You may also say the people at PSA had the same attitude about you not cracking your slabs as you has about the postman not climbing your stairs! 🤷
Is your glass half full or half empty......empty right! 😉
@@hobbycollectinvest4250well it's empty enough to know the secret on how to get my packages delivered to my front door for 50 years and counting.👌
@@imperfectgamer54 LOL, nice, I bow in your (online) presence then good sir! I appreciate you watching and commenting, I forgot to mention that in my previous comment!
That was the worst crossover I've ever seen!!! I'm sorry
Haha, yeah, they kicked my butt but as I've said to other people who have commented, don't do what I did, crack them first if you are going to try it, lesson learned. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
This must be taken one step further. For the card-collecting community, you need to crack them all and have someone else re-submit them to PSA, and let's find out for certain if this company is committing fraud.
I will do something with a resub, I have them set aside, that will probably happen next year. I hadn't thought about having something else sub them for me, maybe I sent them to group submitter and then end up making a video about how that group submitter stole my cards and declared bankruptcy, lol, anything for the community, haha. I don't know if I'll resub them in all seriousness, it all depends on what they look like when I crack them, some may get sub'd again if they look good, for the cards the look bad I wouldn't sub them though. Basically though, I'm just waiting to see if they drop their prices again, maybe in a few months. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment, I appreciate it!
This is an older video that I shot in June 2022, a cautionary tale but what happened here, I am sure many of you won't make the same mistake.
Should probably open a p.o. box rather than gamble on the package making it to a complex. Very common going to complexes and seeing packages piled up.
A cracked and resubmitted to PSA Video would be interesting
This is just PSA's ego trying to make SGC look bad(its obvious which is why not a single card got a higher grade). If these were sent in raw, 110% some of them wouldve came back higher grade(PSA is just trying to make SGC look stupid). We all know SGC is very consistent and super accurate with grading. PSA is so inconsistent its not even funny, one min a card could be an 8, and if you crack it, resend it, it might come back a 10. That shit will never happen with SGC.
That may very well be true but of course I made the mistake of putting it in their hands from the jump, obviously I should have cracked them so I have to own that.
@John Jordan I hear you, it's not something you want to do with having tried it on some lower end cards first. If you really want to crack some then I'd buy a couple cheap slabs to practice on, buy some low grades ones that are super cheap just to practice and perfect your techniques. There are videos on youtube where people saw you how to do it as well, I watched some before I did it on my own. If you have nay questions send them over.
Dang, that's crazy. Did you crack them yourself ?
Wow just heard they were slabbed still. Maybe they manage to damage the card when they were cracked.
@@ibarra708 Even if they did, you know how it goes, it's not like they'd admit it. I made the mistake and put it in their hands, I was green to crossovers back then so I have to own it and not put myself in that situation again. Thanks for watching the video and commenting Ricardo, I really appreciate it!
Really enjoyed your video - was rooting for you to get 10s as I watched it.
I dont like the grades, but the grades like me.... were all stars now... in the slab show 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I tried this same thing awhile back. I only did 5 cards. I only had 2 stay as a 10, the rest all dropped to a 9. Of course SGC had them as 10s.
I knew that you of all people would get my mistake, not cracking, examining very throughly, etc. I guess I can take solace in the fact that whether the card was a 10 that dropped to a 9 or a 9 that dropped to a 7, they aren't worth s*** anyway, lol, so, very little money was lost at current prices, haha
My PO does the same thing. I don't think they generally deliver sig confirmation to apartments :(
I can say though that this has only been a problem when I moved to my new place, that was back in April. I had about 7 PSA come back in 2021 where I was living before, a different city, albeit only 10 minutes from where I am now, I never had a problem. The mail man would bring it up every time for me to sign, however, at that place there was an elevator, perhaps if it was stairs, he'd punk out as well, haha
recrack and send back to SGC ?
That's not going "Karen", that's letting our Federally funded mail operators know to stop wasting money on that bum ass employee... They probably do that for everyone on the top/middle floor, including that old elderly gentlemen who can't drive and taking a trip to the post office is an all day affair... "Karen" his ass.
100% agreed, it's happened many times, he seems to be a lazy f***, lol, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
Alright! Time for the real test now! Send them back to SGC to crack and replace with SGC slabs and see if they actually upgrade the lower PSA grades back up to their original grades. That would be a good look for SGC. PSA is shady. Unfortunate that they're getting rich off of us suckers!
LOL, right, that is a good idea. I actually plan to crack them and send them back to PSA just to see what happens, I'll probably do that in a couple months. I hadn't thought about sending them back to SGC though, maybe I do that after I send them back to PSA, haha
As tough as the lesson was/fealt, very valuable information over all for yourself and others. Appreciate the share of knowledge HCI 🙏🏻❤
AND....this video is getting tons of views relative to my other videos, without my even pushing it out on social media so there's that, lol! You know how it is, I sacrifice it all for the community, haha
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 proof that your teachable moments are craved 😉❤
@@Diamond.Princess Good thing I'm a baller who can afford to lose thousands right, lol. You know, I thought about trying to figure out how much I potentially lost, leaving it as an SGC (at current market prices) vs. the new PSA grade. I'm still busy so I don't have time to do that now, maybe in a week or two, uh oh, just created another video for myself to do, haha. I imagine the loss is pretty substantial though, 20 or 24 cards came back lower....do I even want to know how big the 'L' was?
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 I would watch that and I think it’s a great follow up video. Probably won’t receive as many views as this but it will make for a great follow up. There is a large cult following for what NOT to do and what it can cost a person. I’d personally encourage the video. NOT that I encourage losing thousands for the greater good but it goes back to why I enjoyed your channel from the get go, it’s real shi… the good and the bad. Hopefully the next round is “ how to recover from a oops” 😁🥰
@@Diamond.Princess I do keep it real it, I keep it hood and always stay connected to the streets, lmao. I have some things that will keep me super busy the next week to 10 days but after that I will throw something together. I wanted to do what is planned to be a highly inappropriate halloween costume box opening series as well, those would be time sensitive of course, and culturally insensitive (costume wise) plus I'm about to start dropping the videos from my recent vacation.....and I still have a 409 card PSA order sitting in a huge box unopened so, I've got some s*** to do, lol
Just cracked a bunch of sgc 10s to cross grade and couldn't believe my eyes, they were all screwed up, dings, dents, scratches. Gonna still send to psa but definitely lost money
Heartbreaking
Haha, right, better me than you though, so, don't let it be you!
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 sadly, we don't have a choice when it's in the hands of a grader. If a company like PSA can upcharge you then they should also discount you on lower than expected grades 🤷🏻♂️
@@alwaysbelieve8396 That would be outstanding if that happened, I'm also that guy who wants to see a pro athlete have to give their salary back if they are injured and miss the year, Kawhi, looking at you, lol....I say that more in terms of football though, if guys can hold out for more money if they feel like they've outplayed their contract then the team should be able to get the money back if they don't play, fair is fair, upcharges and downcharges at PSA, same, but different!
I like the video sorry man, But you did show me don't ever crack open a 10!!
LOL, right! I took a risk, got burned, it's all good though, it happened several months ago so I've gotten over it by now. Future video (maybe)....me cracking those cards that got lower grades and resubbing some, if any look like they may have been under graded!
It's asking for trouble when you don't make the minimum acceptable grade equal to or higher than the grade you're crossing over.
You'd think that they'd want your business and try to give you the best objective grade they can.
I suspect they feel as though they want to teach you a lesson that their grades are superior therefore more difficult to get than the other grading companies.
I suppose if you send in a 10, you should ask them for a 10 grade or don't even crack it that way you won't lose value, you'll only be out the cost of the grading itself.
I tend to like the HGA approach of having technology Discerning if an edge is clean and the Corners are Sharp than some guy who might not like the player you submitted for personal reasons or a mandated suppression of higher grades on certain players. Look no further then Ricky Henderson's rookie PSA 10 grades.
Maybe that was the case but as I've said to other, my bad, I blew on that. I didn't want them in SGC holders and it never occurred to me that cards would come back drastically lower so I f'ed up there, I will be avenged one day though and it will be a video, lol. What is the deal with Rickey Henderson rookies and PSA, I'm not familiar with that whole situation.
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Out of the 27,693 PSA graded 1980 Topps Rickey Henderson Rookie cards #482 there are only 25 PSA 10 grades in existence.
If Ricky Henderson would have been an average player, I doubt that you need to go through over 1,100+ of his Rookie cards cards for every one PSA 10 grade.
They say how it was cut is the driving factor, but every other card was cut the same way. There are four corners to every sheet and that means four separate cards are on the corners and yet none are remotely close in scarcity in PSA 10 condition than this card.
Think about it, only 25 and almost 28,000 cards are PSA 10. There's a couple thousand PSA 9s and over 11,000 PSA 8s.
If I thought I had a 10, I would not let PSA grad it, that's for sure.
Psa will damage your cards and they give better grades to certain customers, im done with psa, wait times too long and horrible customer service, im sgc all they way now, fair consistent grading, quick turnaround, great customer service
Yikes, interesting case study... I guess it is worth the effort to crack the cards out of previous slabs and send in raw. The Airplane clips gave me a good laugh!!
LOL, yeah, it was my first time with a crossover so I really thought I'd be fine doing it that way. It never occurred to me that grades could be drastically different and I didn't take into consideration the factors that could lead to it, I f'd up though, I'll own it, I f'd up, haha. Glad you enjoyed the clips, not sure why those scenes popped into my mind when I was editing the video but with the beating I took I decided to roll with it!
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LMAO, big time!!
The official story is that PSA thinks they're superior and if a silly little company like SGC says it's a 9 there's no way it's at the quality of a PSA 9 so it gets a 7. Such a joke. We've all seen the other crossover videos and it always seems like SGC, CSG, HGA, actually grade tougher. There shouldn't have been this much of a difference. Be sure to crack your slabs before sending in your crossover cards people.
Ego may be part of it as you stated! I messed up though, it was my first crossover order, sent it way back in early 2021 but it was partly an experiment as well. I did some crossover orders in early 2022, cracked those all out first and most of the cards crossed fine, 10's were 10's, 9's came back as 9's, etc
I'm super glad you made this video. I always heard from people that you should crack the slabs yourself, but was never sure what would happen in this type of situation. It kind of backs up what they were saying. Thank you for your sacrifice, lol. Seriously though it's a very helpful video.
@@psychokittytv4530 Thanks Psycho, I didn't intend to 'be the hero we all needed' lol, I certainly learned from it though. I'm probably going to take a long break from grading, I may start up again in 2023 but some of those cards may get cracked out of their PSA cases and turned into another video, for that one, I am willing to sacrifice more money just to see what happens!
Speechless.
Your user name is fitting here.....although, admittedly I made the mistake of not cracking the slabs before sending the cards in!
Man that is rough. Is it worth the money to crack them and resubmit for a higher grade?? Or are you just gonna sell them to recoup some money
It's not really about the money for me so it's truly a 'hobby', more money is great though, don't get me wrong, lol. I have a box set aside with some cards from past orders that I may resub, 9's that I thought would 10, I think that later in the year, late November or so, I may resub some of them. I figure I'll see what comes out of this large order I got back a couple weeks ago that I haven't opened, see if there are any resub candidates in there, combine that with some of these cards (from this video) and some of the others I have set aside in the past, resub them all at once and see what happens......a future video for sure
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 Ahhh ok ok, that make sense. Look forward to seeing the reveal!
Genuinely sorry the crossover went so poorly, but damn this was entertaing. Loved the edits. Thanks for sharing!
Haha, yeah, it was rough, all good though, I shot the video a couple months ago as I had mentioned.....I went through lots of therapy since then now I'm almost ready to get back on the saddle since they just lowered prices again, $18 a card, tempting, haha. Thanks for watching and commenting, much appreciated.
Ive watched a few of these crossover videos from various youtubers and one thing is consistent is if you want to crossover and get a better grade, crack them first. Also dont select minimal grade ever.
Absolutely, back when I did this I had never crossed over a card so I didn't think about all the ways a card could get damaged so like I've been telling others in the comments, I'll own it, it sucks but I messed up. I figure that most people know to crack them out but if there are others who don't know and see this video, hopefully it helps them learn something. Earlier this year I did some other crossover videos where I cracked the card first, most of the cards I sub'd came back as the same grade, an SGC 10 to a PSA for instance, so yeah, I f'd up, lol. Thanks for checking out the video and commenting, I appreciate you taking the time to do so.
I'd be hard pressed to cross over anything unless there's something that really made me think the grading could be improved because of the different standards the companies have.
A lot of what I purchased would have been PC items, SGC slabs can be had a lot cheaper but honestly, I don't like their slabs, that is why I was trying to cross them over. That said, I get what you are saying, if I like a certain slab better, why not just buy that to begin with right!
Ewww PSA.
LOL, yeah, like I tell everyone though, I made the mistake of trusting the trade on the slab from the other company and then in trusting PSA so that error is on me.
PSA wants to show people that they grade the most stringent and or consistent. Sorry you learned an expensive lesson dude. Always crack the cards out yourself. Excellent video, thanks for sharing your results.
It's all good, I appreciate you watching and commenting and throwing some positive vibes my way. No one wants to take the huge 'L' like I took but as I have told others, I f'ed up, I didn't crack and I took of the minimum grade so I'm always going to accept responsibility for where I went wrong. That being said, F them, lol....kidding of course!
PSA doesn’t grade anything “stringent.” They have no standards and the only thing they are consistent on is being inconsistent.
The real test is to crack them and resubmit... If they go up, your theory is more correct. You'd think the technology is better for grading. I think they can see more stuff these days.
Sgc vintage is great but they grade modern so easy.
I disagree, I submitted a large order to them in early 2021, I thought I would hit a ton of 10's, my opinion is their graders start out wanting to give 9.5's, that is their default, then again, maybe I'm just bad at pre-grading my stuff, haha
I think your mailman is a HGA fan boy and that's why he won't go up the stairs lol. Wow that was brutal! Now you need to crack them and resend to see if they get higher grades. Back in the day Beckett used it's price guide to suppress the value of other grading companies. Thanks for sharing
Does HGA have any fan boys left, I figure they all jumped off that sinking ship awhile back, haha
If you are still alive , hang in there . I never send cheap cards in for crossovers .
They did you dirty 😡.
Facts....but I'll accept responsibility since I took off 'minimum grades' and didn't crack them, this was my PSA......about PSA, haha. Thanks for checking it out and commenting!
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 if PSA didn't have such a resale premium in the hobby, I think many people wouldn't use them. I've seen too many examples of cards getting bad grades that looked great and the collector couldn't make sense of it.
@@digginginthecards Agreed, that is the mentality of most, if the winds ever shift and some other company becomes the standard then people would obviously start to migrate that direction as well. Despite what happened here, generally my experience has been okay. I've been able be pretty close with my grade prediction video, predictions vs. what the grades came out as so I'm trying to not let this experience ruin things for me.
@@digginginthecards 100% agree, thanks for commenting and watching, sorry for the late reply, I've been shooting a lot of videos, several blind PSA reveals ironically enough, a large order from last year when it was $12 per card. You are right though, it's all about the resale, I like how the slabs look, I like CSG as well, not a fan of SGC slabs, that's my personal taste of course. I think that if the winds ever change and another slab starts selling for more people will get on that bandwagon en masse.
You definitely crack them for sure. I’ve never seen sgc get downgraded so badly. I’ve actually seen 9.5 cross to 10 but all were cracked out
PSA used to use 3 different graders per card, circa 2009, now they use 2, I think. IMHO PSA is controlling the number of 10s they issue. A friend of mine only buys PSA 9s, (unless a bargain) because he says there is no really no difference between a 9 and a 10 except in someone's mind or opinion. Anyway, thanks for the video & good luck!
You friend has and interesting perspective and he sounds like a true collector. I've found it interesting, perhaps you and he have both noticed) but it seems like the 9 vs 10 spread has increased pretty drastically over the past year or so. It use to seem like a 10 was about 3 to 4x's as valuable as a 9 (generally speaking), now that spread seems a lot further as 10's are the thing. Given that I bet you friend is able to score some deals on 9's these days.
the edits are super annoying
I appreciate that you just want to see me and not the edits!
Lol. If any of you think PSA grades “harsher” than SGC or any other grading company you are a fool. Submitting these slabbed was a gift for the PSA grader, just took 1 to 2 points off automatically. The lazy card collector complaining about the lazy delivery person is hilarious. Reap those grades and keep supporting PSA, the garbage can of grading companies.
Which company do you use, given your feelings about PSA
Stop talking bad about your letter carrier. If they are showing up that late everyday they are probably short handed and work very long hours to get your POS cards to you. Get some perspective. Maybe you should apply to your local post office and provide a service for your community.
Seek professional help for your anger, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
@@hobbycollectinvest4250 You’re the one that has anger issues. I hope you become more self aware. Good luck in life. You will obviously need it.
@@TooLsoldier462 And you took the time to leave another comment trying to convince yourself that others are the problem. You seem to have some very serious issues, I hope you get help. I'll never get why people watch videos and feel the need to leave hostile comments, I don't live there. You'll have to figure out for yourself why it's so important to have the last word and why you get triggered watching other peoples' videos. Since you want to have the last word, go ahead, I've said my piece, some people cannot be helped, the floor is yours. One last thing, when you go out into the world today and this weekend I hope you don't behave out there how you do in the comments section here.
You are not understanding. Look in your mirror long and hard. Get some perspective. Good bye.
Don't send your car to PSA they don't know what they're doing😢😢😢
With all of these companies it really is hit or miss in terms of the results. Back in early 2022, or perhaps it was in 2021, I sent some stuff into SGC and they kind of F'ed me over as well....that is of course my opinion, haha.