This has been a hell of a day in a hell of a trial. Join me to discuss what is going on in terms of the day's events, juror reactions, trial strategy, and best guesses on outcome.
The saddest part of this case for me is that because Johnny is so rich and famous, I think people (even supporters) are overlooking just how bad the abuse he received was. Yes, he isn’t a saint, but Amber left the relationship basically unscathed. In a year and a half, Depp suffered actual physical abuse based on the black eye photos, lost the tip of his finger, lost 600m, lost his mom, lost his reputation, lost his jobs. The fact that he still has the emotional strength to smile is so impressive to me. I’m so glad to see him progressively smile more and more throughout the trial. Amber deserves every bit of hostility she has received, she is a truly vile human being.
Agree completely! Also makes me really scared of how much effort, time and money it took Johnny to get to this point where we can all see what truly happened. How many men are out there in the same shoes that don't have millions to spend on a lawsuit and the gift of bad acting and obvious lies on the other side. How many men (and women) have no way to legally fight back and win? 🥺
@@ada_pink such an excellent point! So true. But the huge plus that came from this case is that it exposed all those points you brought up. I really hope this will change how these trials are perceived and men and women will have an equal shot. Sadly, I think it’s a step in that direction, but I’m not sure we will ever get there.
Honestly I always liked Johnny but was mostly indifferent - I enjoyed his acting in his best films (like the fantastic Donnie Brasco). Loved the first Pirates film, primarily for the gorgeous Keira but thought Johnny had invented a great and hilarious character. But NOW I will support him given her accusations of wild and exceedingly violent abuse based on NOTHING.
Another powerful thing was when Camille played the audio of Johnny saying “dont tell me what it feels like to be punched” and then told the jury to imagine if that was amber saying that. To me that was a big moment.
I said the same to my husband (who is not a abuser). He said he didn’t hurt me because it wasn’t a hard slap. I said don’t tell me how it feels to be hit! In other wards I felt JD’s emotion. I understand his hurt.
@@Talletc amber did NOT say “dont tell me what it feels like to be punched” Johnny said that to amber, and camille said why dont you reverse that and imagine if amber said to johnny “dont tell me what it feels like to be punched”
If Johnny hadn't insisted on the cameras, I think most people would just assume he's the aggressor and he had better lawyers. I think that's exactly WHY he insisted on the cameras. his goal is to clear his name and try to reassemble his reputation. But a trial behind closed doors wouldn't have helped him at all. He needed everyone to see the evidence and hear the testimonies so we can all know he is innocent of what that evil woman accused him of.
I completely agree! The MSM would have spun it and corrupted the facts in amber’s favor and we wouldn’t have known any different. Just like the UK trial. In fact, in the beginning they tried that but since we could see the truth for ourselves and pushed back, they were forced to be more honest.
Also, seeing is believing. Camille did a great job using her cross to show the jury what kind of person Johnny was dealing with; showing how much Amber lies and won't admit that she's wrong, using manipulative word play to try and psychologically/emotionally abuse other people.
Having cameras inside the court room was the best thing JD did in this case. In the court of public opinion he’s already won regardless of the verdict from the op ed.
Very good point…. But I also think Johnny has to own his own abusive verbal and written comments, which legally ARE considered abusive…. No one is innocent here, but AH is NOT owning ANY of her abuses…..very very sad (albeit Fascinating) law case, I’m hoping justice and healing for all✌️
Jury service you get paid an excellent daily figure! That's why people love doing it! Well that's in the UK. America should be the same! You are always ahead of us in everything! I just hope anyway! X
Her mocking laugh "felt" taunting and malevolent. As a person that endured DV on different years ago, I can boldly say that I would NEVER have prodded or confonted the "aggressor"; much less, mockingly laugh in their presence or vicinity. She seems like a shallow person; void of true emotion as well as, lacking empathy for fellow human beings.
I am recently in Johnny Depp's position. Even though we never hit each other, (both of us are 52 years old) she falsely accused me of DV to break up with me and have me removed from her house. fortunately for me, she lied so badly, even though it was totally believed by the cops at the time, I had video proof of her lies and there were never charges filed. But, before I got everything to the DA she also filled a TRO and LIED AGAIN, stating the same lies, easily disproven by video, again. But I moved out before she returned to house that we both lived in and I supported for 4 years, and became homeless in a sense. I'm a disabled veteran with combat PTSD, and am still on SSA disability. She tried to "love bomb" me on the morning, came back to pick up gloves for her work in a salon that I BOUGHT FOR HER on Amazon, then left, saying, "I love you!!". Later that night the police showed up to arrest me but I was at the neighbors house and watched them on the Xfinity cameras. That was on January 21. Last week I went to the RO hearing and even though I proved she was lying, again, STRAIGHT TO THE JUDGES FACE, he granted another 6 months of temp RO, and then it'll be gone. But she's now selling her house and the court allowed her to ghost me, while she's been selling off my piano, pool table, sheds and tool racks in the garage. I can't afford to hire an attorney like Johnny Depp, but I keep trying to find a way to get a lawyer to help me. It's patently clear that she lied about everything. But I still don't know what to do about it. In another 3 months I'll be homeless, but she's going to profit on all the work I've done on her house and the housing prices have almost doubled in her area of Modesto, California. I really wish I had some help!! I havea landmark case!! Bulletproof!! I have phone records that prove she's lying, text messages, and the videos of everything that happened that day. Damn my life sucks. Anyone can tear your life apart with lies.
If there were a movie version of this trial, you couldn’t cast Amber Heard in her own role bc she’s so unbelievable that it would seem like a total exaggeration. Thank goodness there were cameras in the courtroom. So glad we all saw just how much of a liar she is.
I noticed right away in the morning Elaine’s nose was completely red I thought she was crying before any rumor started that she was crying. I could see why she’s probably getting a lot of hate.
I could never have taken her case as a lawyer. I've always been a Depp fan since 21 Jumpstreet and I knew she was lying when the smear campaign happened.
I really agree with the idea that amber wanted to be on the stand a second time only because johnny did it, and perhaps knowing her personality it was a calculated decision on the dep team
That's why Camille ended her cross in the middle of AH stumbling to get the last word in during her bs testimony and it definitely got under AH skin that she was cut off 😂😂
You would think so, but it really bothers me how mainstream media is still siding with her. Common sense went out the window with the over indulgence of pc. It’s like truth is a secondary requirement.
@@carolynm9638 it’s the white feminists behind the scenes. They haven’t had a good response anyway. All tweets are fighting back against the bs they are writing. Those of us with sense see the truth. Thank God Johnny fought hard to have cameras in the courtroom. Imagine if not. And imagine how many men have been through the same thing without money! So sad.
@@carolynm9638 it’s so crazy how they lie about the trial even though they know it’s being broadcasted to the world. I can’t imagine what they would say if the cameras weren’t allowed in the court. Thank god we don’t have to depend on them to get the facts of this case.
AH was very cruel and aggressive emotionally and physically . She was not at all afraid but antagonistic and provoking. She wanted something to destroy Johnny with.
@radbradboy this also bothers me. I don't understand why this wasn't some point of focus for them. There is no way someone truly absued would act the way she did. The only thing I can think is the defense of not everyone acts the same but geezzz this was clear as day!
That's the nature of Histrionc Personality Disorder & actually a cormobity in Cluster B Disorders. My own mother is Cluster B which is why I took a nursing specialty in psych wards. You never get answers from these people & my mother was a Mommy Dearest. She is so bad that I always used to describe her as Cinderella's stepmother & she even looks JUST like her. I never said this in front of my kids though because I was terrified they'd say it in front of her, especially if I wasn't there to protect them. When my oldest was 6 she put Cinderella in & my 3 yr old son just lost it. He started bawling & screaming he didn't want to watch the Mommom Movie. I never told them any of what she did to me when I was little, this was from HIS experience of my mother & she refused to babysit him but he would take my oldest who looked JUST like me even when I would tell her she couldn't. This woman is a piece of work. What my mother has actually been diagnosed with is Histrionic & Malignant Narcissist. This woman LOVES to ruin milestone moments, holidays, birthdays weddings etc but her favorite is a funeral. Depending on who died she will openly bad mouth then at their own funeral. Other tines she will covertly start something with the surviving spouse or kids. Then she will covertly go start shit aimed at them with a select few people at the funeral. When my father died she refused to even tell his siblings & I that Hospice had been called in. I only knew because someone they didn't know I knew saw my abusive ex husband going into my dad's ICU room & called me to let me know mom had called him to my dad's deathbed & was treating him like we'd never divorced. As horrible as out divorce was because it was a DV case she found this very odd. She had NO IDEA that she wasn't just missing me when I visited, I had no idea my dad was dying because I had gone no contact with my whole family EXCEPT my father's siblings for 13 years. And THAT'S why she refused to tell them their brother was dying. She punished them for daring to defy her & not believe her lies about me. To make this worse my father was the 1st of his siblings to pass away. The way I learned he died was I walked in my cousin's salon for a hair appointment & he said "I'm sorry to hear about your dad, mom showed me his obituary this morning" I replied "Well you're the only family member to let me know he died." Against my objections that I REALLY didn't even need to see the obit he made his mother bring me a copy & she read it to me while he was coloring my hair. She wrote my name wrong & omitted 1 of my children completely. I didn't go to his funeral & neither did his siblings because of what she did. They chose not to go because Dad had Alzheimer's, he didn't remember any of them, they had a chance to say goodbye years before he actually died. And they all KNEW she was going to be bad mouthing me thru it all. They chose to circle the wagons around me & I'll forever be grateful they did. BECAUSE they did that & also chose to tell her that since their brother was gone they no longer have to tolerate her, she's not family anymore it's been THE catalyst for her undoing. This is a small town & everytime they run into someone that badmouths me & them for not showing up they set the record straight. Right down to telling them I moved back from DENVER to care for my father when he hit stage 3 of Alzheimer's. I was the ONLY child that took any type of care providing for him until she falsely accused me of something SHE did to my dad when I wasn't even there & threatened to call adult protection & the cops which is her famous power move. It happened overnight when just the 2 of them were there. She threatened to ruin my 28 year career because I called her out on an injury he couldn't have given himself. THAT'S the level these Histrionic Personality Disorder people go to if you dare challenge them or dare to get away from them. They set out to not just punish you, they want to annihilate you completely. They shatter any chance you would have of a support system. It's quite literally enough to drive you insane. The best thing to remember about abusive types like this is broken people break people & they enjoy doing it. By the time we try to leave we long ago passed the point of when we should have done it. We can't tolerate anymore. But they are leveling up the game & it enjoying it.
He will not win much if at all because the system will not allow it, which is a shame because that will tell the world that there are male victims of abuse just as much as women.
AH is despicable. I know Rottenborn was just “doing his job” but his words were also triggering. My ex abused me for an additional 12 years via the court system after I finally left the abusive relationship. The additional damage that the court system allowed him to put our children through was disgusting all because a lawyer wanted to make the big bucks by throwing noodles at the wall to see if they could get anything to stick. He spent $76k versus my $3k in our last court action, which he lost. Abusers will continue to abuse if allowed.
I hate that people defend Rottenborn and Elaine with that "just doing their job" bs. They knew exactly what this case was, they knew exactly what they were doing standing up there and painting an innocent man as a violent drug abuser with absolutely zero evidence. I have zero sympathy for her lawyers.
Johnny no longer wanted her and she’s going to make him pay, no matter what, she’s obsessed with him and she’s going to make his life a misery for as long as she can get away with it, thank goodness millions of people, men and women see her for the psychopath she is, the truth is out now
Yes - sorry you went through and my situation not as extreme but I completely see from the eyes of a real victim how terrible the lawyers come off defending the abuser especially if they have any inkling that their client is the instigator it’s gross 🤢
That cackling tape is the nail in the coffin IMO. It was just so haunting. No victim would ever talk to their abuser like that. I really hope the jury feels the same way.
Considering she started her story with how she was slapped across the face for laughing at the Wino Forever tattoo, the recordings didn't make sense, especially the one of her taunting and cackling at him. If he would lose control at anything she said and she was so fearful of him, where was the sound of a slap or beating in that recording? It just doesn't add up at all, plus I completely agree that a victim would not be taunting their abuser like that. It's really the other way around. She also sounded really drunk or something in the cackling recording. I think it was also very disingenuous for Heard and her team to completely erase her own drug and alcohol use during the relationship. I get it, though, since the angle they went with here was "he was high and drunk, therefore he doesn't remember anything" and had they been honest about her own drug and alcohol use, then they'd be creating a double standard.
I actually believe putting Johnny back on the stand to get a little roughed up was strategy the he may have requested. Because he knew she would want to copy him to get the last word. Which would make her vulnerable and allow Camille to provide the TKO.
Camille is without a doubt a brilliant attorney and I'm glad she was Johnny Depp's attorney. She deserves to have someone take notice of how she can draw an audience in her way of speaking with great confidence and clarity. I hope after this trial she's able to move up in her firm or possibly another because she's an amazing attorney that I would want on my side any day
I give Johnny alot of credit for taking Amber on. She was of the opinion that Johnny was a push over and she could piggy back off Johnny's career by destroying him...Amber us a dangerous individual and Johnny revealed that.
When you continue to throw out meaningless arguments knowing they have no validity and you are this deeply buried in, you’ve got to be disturbed. “I wish Johnny would go away and just leave me alone” cry baby shit, it was a sight to behold, that kind of stuff made you start to feel what it was like living with her for Johnny.
I'm kind of the same cloth. Trying to please people even though I know they're in the wrong but just for the sake of them leaving me alone. It does obviously have the opposite impact. Then there comes a moment where I'm done with the fuckery and they look completely shocked that I'm able to because they thought they can just get away with it. At least I'm a lot less forgiving now and learning from my mistakes.
Yeah, I get the feeling this lie just got away from her, she had to lie to cover up the last lie… the cycle continues. I will be shocked if she wins anything, her presentation was just…. Wrong. Objectively, there’s no continuity between claims, emotions, evidence, testimony. It’s madness 🤯
@@christophluger793 You go Christoph ! Every little step towards standing up for ourselvesl, no matter how small, goes a long way..... let's keep up the courage ⭐
Amber kept putting coals on the fire, reengagement with Johnny seems to have two goals. First keeping herself in the news as a brave victim and second to punish Johnny.
The audio with AH’s weird laugh taunting JD is chilling. No way would an abused person act like this with their abuser. I think it shows that in no way AH was scared of JD.
That's what I was talking with my husband about. I can't imagine an abused person talking to an "abuser" who had done soooooo much to her like she did in those audios!!! I hope the jury sees the lies of AH very clearly! Regardless, JD has been able to speak the truth and I hope it begins a healing process in him. A healing from his childhood forward. I hope it brings a peace to him and he can live and truly find happiness.
Elaine has been AH's lawyer since the UK trial. There is a long list of questionable, if not, unethical tactics. JD's messages were turned over to AH's lawyers in error and they did not return them. AH's lawyers/Elaine did not turn over AH's devices for authentification in spite of a court order. AH's lawyers/Elaine seem perfectly okay using every slimey lawyer trick in the book and a few unethical tricks too. Of course, I feel a little bad for Elaine on this day of her reckoning, but she was all smiles cashing in on the AH train for years while destroying JD's life and livlihood without a thought or a care. Elaine bet her reputation on the AH train wreck and lost. But at least she CAN cry about it.
When she went after the witnesses ("so this is your 15 minutes of fame?") I learned all I needed to know about Elaine. She's a vindictive, hateful woman.
Yes and to add to that, Ben Chew also did a great job, especially when his voice started breaking with emotion had me in tears. He really does believe and care about Johnny, actually his whole team does.
She has seen way more evidence then was allowed in the trail plus she was part of the BS UK trail. She know he didn’t do anything wrong. She has a real relationship with depp. Sucks to know that there is audio of amber when she cut off his finger that was not allowed in this trail. Now imagine sitting there listening to her tell some BS story about what happen when you know for a fact she did it. Then she has to listen to some pay off doctor to come on stand and say she didn’t do it.
Yeah and the biggest difference I found between AH's lawyers vs JD's was that JD's lawyers used sentences like..he did this, then this happened to him and Rottenborn was so careful he said she alleges that , she said that he did this...I found that so interesting that he wanted to distance himself from her lies and didn't even believe her himself to advocate for her properly. He was just quoting her.
I think her walking away with nothing is very appropriate, remember… she wanted nothing, but the cars and house, and the money, but she wanted nothing.
@@discodave1899 how did they railroad the DUI guy? What do you have against popcorn planet? I’m just curious…I do like these good men, above. I heard rumours about the DUI guy and I’ve only watched a bit of popcorn planet…it’s all choices.
As a survivor, I would never talk back like she did. JD's demeanor fits more in the abused demeanor. Speaking calmly, the occasional outburst, comes from just being goaded incessantly by AH
I'm a survivor as well. I fought back. hard. I'm not saying that I think Amber is a victim of anything. but I am super concerned by this "I did this so this other person's reaction means they're lying". because that's not how this works at all. Amber is trash. but so is that mentality. I was so scared. but I couldn't stop myself from fighting back. last time my x lived with me (long time ago) he feels a gun to my face. accused me of going through his phone. said he'd kill me. our son was standing right next to me. I could feel his little hand on my leg. he was 2. I didn't cry or back down or apologize or deny anything. I got my son to walk across the room the ran at my x. grabbed his gun. put it to my forehead and screamed FUCKING SHOOT ME. IF YOU'RE GOING TO KILL ME THEN FUCKING DO IT!! the only reason the police believed me is because I had people on the phone with me that heard me.
@@lolafierling2154 But your story is very similar to the "occasional outbursts" the OP is talking about. You didn't say in your story that you picked a fight with your ex over some bullshit, taunted hum when he tried to leave, threw things at him, hit him, and only then did he threaten you with a gun. Your actions in that story are actually very consistent with most if not all abuse stories. On another note, good for you for standing up and challenging your abuser.
I am a dv survivor, trust me, you don’t dare taunt your abuser - not ever, under any circumstances. She is so obviously a liar. You don’t bait the ‘monster’
That's honestly not the only definition of a victim, as I fought my mother verbally every day of my life from the moment I could communicate an opinion. Don't pin people into a box. Eggshells are an aspect of it, but not the whole picture. The mocking laughter can be a coping mechanism to get through the pile of crap that just keeps coming from an abuser, HOWEVER in Heard's case, she was mocking him for other things. Both take control over the situation, because whatever the other person is saying is being received as so ridiculous that you can laugh at it. But Heard shows in other ways that she used it to control him with him being the victim.
I think Ben started off strong but started meandering and repeating himself and getting into the weeds a little bit. I think he was starting to lose some folks but the part where he got choked up kinda saved it. I felt it too.
@@Pohgrey that’s my take too. I think he should have stressed the defamation and malice and republishing more. Legalities are their weakest point. Building their close has to emphasize her tendency to tell the world all the false narrative of abuse. The final and emotional part of Ben’s close was moving and emphatic.
Johnny looked at him, and even through something exhausting for him -- he had to get up and hug the man. They have good rapport. I'm angry that the cameraman did capture Depp hugging Camille too @ the end.
The detail that first caught my attention in the British trial. An abuser tries to isolate the victim from their support group. He moved all her parasitic friends in to live in adjoining penthouses, for free, drinking his expensive wine collection. He never chucked them out till the end.
I’m convinced that this was a scam by AH & cohorts…They should be charged with a crime! Bullying, neglect (when passed out, why no ride to hospital) & theft/marriage to steal millions!
I went into this trial thinking Johnny Depp had abused Amber Heard. I hadn’t really paid a lot of attention to it but I knew they had gotten divorced and that Amber had accused Johnny of abuse. The three things that convinced me she’s lying is 1. Her testimony style seemed insincere. 2. She altered the photo. 3. She altered the cabinet video. I now believe she was the abuser and made the entire thing up because she’s a vindictive mean spoiled brat. In my opinion Johnny wins no matter the outcome. I believe him not her.
@@itskashkashi and the actual bruise kit was in the bottom right corner of the pic with him napping and the spilt ice cream. Not a camouflage but a bruise making kit!
Did the audios not sway it for you? The amount of times she admitted to hitting/punching him, never claiming he had done anything to her, not once. And her screaming at him bit claiming she constantly feared for her life. All the " crying" but no tears. And let's not forget the amount of times Camille caught her in the lies on cross. Glad you see it for what it is tho now. ❤️
The emotion in Ben’s voice was the cherry on the cake that was needed. The voice crack at the end put out so much emotion and made you FEEL how much it matters. The way he spoke about Johnny’s children and the truth was extremely powerful. I had tears in my eyes the entire time.
IMO Dennison is the unsung hero of the trial. He remained a gentleman while dismantling the expert witnesses. He was very aware that he needed to remain likeable while taking out the witnesses.
Totally agree. It annoyed me when some of the LB team were very critical of him. As a lay person, I really liked him and enjoyed his cross examinations.
He was like a wolf in sheep's clothing! He elicited far more with his disarming approach that lulled the witnesses into a false sense of security. I thought he was great; team Depp were just amazing.
Yes I noticed and even if it was a bit of a surprise, it takes a nano-second to put your hands together and join in. She made a conscious decision not to do so. Vile woman.
Amber is worse than toxic. She has no limit on how low she’s willing to go. She has zero moral code. She is as dangerous and destructive as it gets. And she enjoys every single second of it.
@@sherryjohnson4307 yessssss I totally agree I think if anything comes out of this she most definitely needs to get Really mentally evaluated. Imagine someone as taunting as that raising a child or teenager it’s scary
Interesting that in Australia the Oped would never have been allowed to be published in the first place, due to privacy laws, unless JD had already been criminally charged. Also def no cameras in the court room, and jurors identities are always protected, for their own security also. And they can't profit later off the case by writing a book etc. And jurors get a proper wage for jury duty.
In this day and age, I think the identity of the jurors should be kept confidential. Given social media etc. I think their safety could be jeopardized.
The best thing about closing statements is we got to listen to Johnny Depp’s story without the millions of objections from Amber Heard’s attorney’s. AH’s council objected so much during the trial I couldn’t necessarily follow what happened and Camille’s closing statement helped me better understand the timeline of events which seemed very premeditated by Amber from her TMZ photo op at the courthouse to her ridiculous op ed. Camille Vasquez closing statements was a work of art. God bless her she’s a super star!!
This. Unfortunately, Amber Heard said she never remembered anything in chronological order, but even moreso was that the defense didn't tell her story in chronological order either. However, this was because if they told AH's story in chronological order, nothing would've made sense. Which begs the question: Does the defense team have the same memory lapse that AH claims to have, and if they don't, why don't the go through the evidence in order of A-Z?
If I was on that jury I'd be fighting tooth and nail to give johnny all the damages he's asking for and then some. Amber has done irreparable harm to domestic abuse survivors everywhere
Would be nice to see Johnny win and donate the $3.5M to the Children’s hospital that AH didn’t donate to, and also donate to domestic abuse survivor orgs. I’m sure he has a plan for that if he wins the $
Runkle, I'm not normally a big law nerd and will probably die down once all is said and done, but I'm giving you a sub and a like for all your hard work. I know you got a lot from the experience but you shared it with all of us and gave us all a unique insight into everything from the inside. Now go get a nice meal and a solid ten hours of sleep man. You deserve it.
My heavens. I would love a solid 10 hours of sleep in a row. I don't think I've done that in about 20 years. But this gentleman does deserve it for sure. I figure if I get five hours in a row that's not interrupted by something weird it's been a good day. But these people have all worked so hard so we are now on Monday and we shall see how the deliberations go.
Re: Chew’s “ask” in closing: I’m surprised that the only thing y’all pointed out about the verdict request was related to the damages dollar amount. However, Chew did something more than that. Specifically, what he told the jury was that what JD cares about is the jury’s responses to Qs 2,3, &4 (out of 7 Qs). Basically, he told them that even if they determine that JD hasn’t met his burden on all elements, if they JUST answer Yes to those 3 questions, then that is enough for JD. Which I think was much more powerful.
I don't think neither one deserve any money. But if anybody get something it should be Johnny. Amber kept pushing her lies until Johnny was tired of her. No telling how far she would've went before he put a stop to it. I think Johnny has some kind of movie deal coming when this is over. Besides amber can't afford to pay him. I don't think Johnny is trying to send her to the po house or back to stripping. He just want her to stop her B's.
@@uneedasims1266 I think the 7 million for Johnny is perfect because it’s what he lost in the divorce. I also am hoping he would have the sense to donate that 7 million to the charities that were promised the money and were never paid. So it’s more like a good karmic ending because sure maybe neither deserve money but the kids at the children’s hospital do and the real victims of DV do.
@@uneedasims1266 he does deserve money if her saying this stuff , that is a very bad thing that actually happens to so many women n men, n he lost money but more his reputation. This wasn't just a u didn't give me what I wanted in the divorce or a cheating thing, this was a horrible thing to do to anyone when.its not even true. Even if a person wins they always have that name with them at the back of everyone's minds. I couldn't imagine have things like that said about me fir the whole world to see n my family/kids, who are innocent of all this, having to hear n have things said about me, knowing they weren't true. Its just wrong no matter what. So what if he did drugs n drank, alot. He's done that forever n.not one women has said he was violent. And even during this not one woman came forward n said that it has happened to her, like Cosby n Harvey guy. So all of a sudden he does it to her? Why? So beautiful? Brilliant actress? Nothing personal but hes been with Kate Moss who was n is stunningly even. Winona Ryder? Alot better actress then amber, I didn't even know she was in magic Mike or Aquaman until now. Now I have to go back n watch them.This is just how I feel. I know things aren't just black n white, but nobody deserves to have these kinds of things said about them if not true. And I honestly don't care if it was someone I didn't like, its just not right.
@@mayrajscortes Agreed. Don't pity her, she has been paid handsomely and trust me, I felt the same until I watched her laugh at jeer at CV during closing. She doesn't care mate, she's just doing her job without emotion.
@@mayrajscortes it was a pretty sure win for a defamation trial. Amber can be abusive and still win the defamation case because this was a technically straightforward case to judge. Emily D Baker and Runkle both said that the law is on Amber's side, even though that gives me such a bitter taste in my mouth.
@@mayrajscortes it’s possible that her legal team was fooled by her fake evidence and lies too. The moment they knew they accepted a crazy client they were already in too deep to back out :(
I feel worse for Rottenborn. He as much as i dislike AH did a good job. Yes he played dirty but thats his Job, there is no other chance to win. With any other client he would have won this for sure. By far the best Lawyer on AHs side
I think Camille’s white dress was stunning and highly symbolic - honestly it made ME (literature professor) think of the White Queen from chess - like Anya Taylor-Joy in Pawn Sacrifice (she dresses in pure white to “take on” the deadly White Queen persona in her biggest match). Also, as a lit prof, white in general represent purity, chastity, honesty - nothing to hide. That age-old symbolism ties in beautifully with their arguments about Heard - who is the opposite of those things (imho and based on this trial).
AH's closing argument made me genuinely angry. ● Insulting the intelligence of the jury with weak arguments about the 1st ammendment. ● Mistating and mischaracterising evidence non-stop. ● Lying about what JD's team said in their closing. ● Wild accusations of faking evidence. ● Citing evidence that has not been admitted. ● Mistating what mallace is. ● Making an argument that JD used the knife on the bed - inadvertently implying that AH lied on the stand about how the bed was damaged. ● Maintaining that the blatantly fake photos are not fake. . . . All of this topped with Elaine's insane disjointed rambling and mockery, that lasted an eternity. What an utter train wreck.
let's hope she never does that to that little girl she has. unfortunately AH personality disorders, without intense and ongoing treatment, evidently spill over into ALL of her relationships.
I loved your comment where you said “Amber Is broken and I’d like to see a world where she is not broken.” That, to me, just shows what a kind natured and hopeful man you are. YES it would be amazing if our would had all good, decent, admirable people in it. That is something to really strive for. Thank you for all those night’s sleeping on concrete. Thanks to Rob also for helping you out with giving you a place to literally 💥 crash. Thanks again for all these live streams just to bring us in to the community of Fairfax.
The mistake Depp's team made calling Johnny back to the stand - I agree it wasn't the best move, HOWEVER, the strategy may have been to goad Amber into going back up as well and if so it worked. I think it was more damaging for Amber to go back up again than it was for Johnny.
You know there's just no way Amber could let him get the last word and I'm sure they knew it too. It was a risky move for Johnny but I think it worked out in his favor. It was a beautiful thing to watch Camille get another crack at her on the stand and she looked good and ready for it too.
@@Gigipretty64 oh yes, I totally agree. You know I think a big part of why they work so well together is because they believe and feel for their client. That Camille man, talk about a "star is born" moment. She just killed it up there. She had my undivided attention every time she went up.
Thank you, Runkle for all your hard work and dedication during this trail. From sleeping on the sidewalk, to not getting to sleep at all, I truly appreciate your insight on the jury, lawyers, clients and everything else. It's obvious that you are a stand-up guy with true compassion and empathy. Thank you so much!
Wow! No wonder the media is worried about the exemplary work you do...all of you in the tube have blown us away with your innovation. I'm 72 and I have never seen law explained the way you do. Right on and you young lawyers know where it's at. Through with tv. So much to learn...
What pissed me off is when she kept saying to witnesses about their 15 minutes of fame as if ordinary people like ourseleves are somehow a lower class of people than Miss Turd
As a DV survivor, I found myself nearing panic attacks while following this trial. I had to walk away from it several times yet I had strong desire to support the truth. My heart goes out to JD for his years of torment.
It’s hard to watch isn’t it. I’ve suffered through DV in the past and watching the trial has unearthed a lot of memories I didn’t realise I had buried away. But more than anything it’s helped me stop blaming myself. Seeing the reaction from the public towards Johnny, and all the support pouring out, it really warms my heart. I’ve certainly projected myself onto this trial as I’m sure many have, and there are a lot of parallels between what I went through and what Johnny went through. And I also had a very hard time being believed. But I now know that if I was in the same position Johnny was right now I’d have an outpouring of support. And be believed. So as hard as it’s been it’s been wonderful to see. It feels like Johnny’s victory is a win for all of us, and a condemnation of all the gaslighters that flip the narrative and claim that they’re the ones being abused. As far as I’m concerned Johnny has already won, WE have won, no matter the verdict. Take care, stay strong, and always remember that despite how much DV can knock us down you’re a survivor, and you are a very brave and strong person. ❤️❤️
Me, too! This trial has triggered me over and over. I've had to walk away from the television because I was too traumatized. But it's been so wonderful to see the truth emerge and for justice to be served. It's been healing.
@@sueecavanau I have had at least two panic attacks and the rest of the time has been just regular ol’ standard high level anxiety (I probably SHOULD have stepped away) due to the severe triggering of the attempted gaslighting by AH, and her counsel (Elaine’s close was terrible, how she misrepresented the law several times in a row). The experts and Elaine continually repeating that “Aquaman was the highest grossing movie EVER” 🙄🙄🙄🙄 I’ve had two people in my life exactly like AH - one was a long term step parent (the therapy I’ve had to do to reclaim my self….) not to mention the actual SA I’ve experienced… and then come to find out that the story about SA belonged to the former assistant? AH is literally the worst kind of human imaginable. People with BPD/ NPD/ histrionic (cluster B personality disorders) will go to the ends of the earth to destroy you - EVEN IF you play their game, they STILL want to destroy you. They get off on it. It’s starts with the love bombing “oh JD I looooove you so much. You’re the most amazing ever!” Which is the first part of the idealization phase. Then the devaluation begins and the smear campaign (of the victim) which is why she took so many shitty pictures. Now that this phase has begun, nothing he can do is right but she’s too insecure to let him go. “Don’t go Johnny I just want a hug. I love you Johnny!” She knew though, that someday, somehow, she’d use the pics against JD, even if it was just to show people around her, in order to tarnish his reputation so they’d be on board with her. Her “flying monkeys”. But she’s not done. It’s like a dog who doesn’t k!££ the rat it finds in the yard. It WANTS the rat to fight back a bit, over and over and over again, because it LIKES the process of the K!££ so it keeps the game going to satisfy it’s prey drive. And all the while, the gaslighting continues so that the victim (JD), will be told that that process isn’t actually happening. Of course mot, because “I love you Johnny. I just want to help you with your addiction. (But I won’t bother to get sober while we live together. You’re on your own”. AH isn’t getting work because she’s a nightmare. She didn’t need JD to “destroy her career” - she barely had one to start with. AH is the most despicable abuser I’ve seen in many years. I continue to watch because I’m so hopeful that JD will get the public exoneration that he deserves.
I was with someone who was a lot like Amber. I couldn't look at or listen to her for long because she makes me sick. Living with someone like that is hell. My heart goes out to Johnny
Please don’t forget that Elaine has gotten really down and dirty a few times… she also testified for her client saying things in court she shouldn’t have said. She led her client too. Also said demeaning and rude things. There was ALOT imo that I won’t forget.
Elaine made a lot of expressions and body language to suggest she really doesn't like Depp. This had become personal for her and it seems to me to have compromised her ability to be a good lawyer. She was maybe too smug as to how it was going to go.
I think it was definitely tactical to call JD to the stand a second time, they KNEW that AH couldn't let that lie and needed to have the last word. That played out well. 😂
O M G I cannot BELIEVE I listened to an over two-hour stream by lawyers about a court case. Is anyone with me here? What’s more? IT WAS FASCINATING and EDUCATIONAL and SUCH an EXCELLENT glimpse into how lawyers “are”. I no longer see ALL lawyers as elitist and sketchy and always looking to take your money without letting you know how they will do it. That. Is. An achievement. This discussion (and those like it) about the Heard is Guilty case has done MORE for my understanding of how FAIR our judicial system CAN be when properly administered by stellar attorneys and a fair and just judge. Just. Wow. In the Midwest (where I grew up) they eliminated civics class (how to behave in society). It shows in our current America: No one has been taught and held accountable for civility. Also, my US government class learnings escape me. This renders almost ANYONE who isn’t an attorney CLUELESS when they find themselves in a “legal situation”. If anyone has had the misfortune of being involved in a court case…you are bobbing in a puny life boat praying for calm seas and you’ve never seen water before let alone the sea. I digress. My point: I actually have a CLUE how all this legal stuff plays out now-because of streams like this. See! The “interwebs” can bring real live humans together for good stuff. Great job. Love the gentle cadence and calm demeanor. THANK YOU for great collaboration of which you have normalized keeping “ego” out of your discussions. That’s how wisdom is transferred…free of ego.
BEST COMMENT ON UA-cam TODAY. I agree. If someone would have said I'd be watching HOURS of lawyers streaming ...I'd have lmao. NO WAY. Welllll ...YES. Here I am. I have learned so much. I'm not sure I'll keep this interest.. but it's been fascinating. I didn't learn anything about (basic) important fundamentals when I was in school. However, I definitely remember us being taught to square dance 🙄.
The end of Ben Chrws closing was great. He even got emotional. His team loves Johnny and are invested in him. That is obvious to the jury. It’s a plus. We don’t see that with Ambers lawyers
Damn man sounds like the good jurors got dismissed. If Johnny doesn’t win this then no man ever has a chance of clearing his name because this is as obvious a case as it gets
I know you guys reckon it was a mistake bringing JD up again, but when he was asked to explain what it’s been like, his answer was felt deeply. And that he also said that no matter what happens, he’s been able to tell the truth… That was pretty powerful.
I agree with the people saying his team was playing 4D chess to get AH back up there. JD took a few hits while she bombed her whole case. It was brillant.
I agree! I think that's why it took him a long time to come forward! He's a father! His father is still alive! He went after the Sun and now again! If he was guilty he wouldn't air out all his dirty laundry in front of the world!
If the jury agrees with Rottenborn's definition of abuse during closing, they would likely have to accept that they themselves have committed abuse at some point. Most people have, at some point, raised their voice in anger and said cruel words, slammed a door, or punched a wall. Does the legal definition even extend to verbal abuse? Or emotional abuse?
5 Favourite Trial Moments: 1. When Lawyer Chew held back tears during his closing statement, 2. When an objection against Rottenborn was sustained and JD said, 'You'll be okay,' 3. The Dr. Witness making mouth gestures, 4. Friend Issac's sensitivity and courage, 5. The perfectionism/accuracy of the British Butler! (this is my 6-minute response to the request from a 'super-chatter'). With trial withdrawal until Tuesday ... hope to hear your 5 Faves!
This trial certainly had a lot of Shakespearean elements: pathetic fallacy, dramatic irony, comedic irony, witches, a knife, Lady Macbeth, and a Danish prince.
IMO Amber is a chameleon. She has no personality on her own & adopts other people's personality traits & experiences. She was likely trying to be edgy (no pun intended) & artistic like Johnny is. He was probably turned on by her giving him this unusual gift. She used it as a tool of seduction. Along those same lines, I suspect they had an intense & very un-vanilla intimate relationship. Perhaps some of their more adventurous moments role play was twisted & reinterpreted into her SA claims. She was likely VERY into it at the time.
To be fair she said why would i when Camille asked her about taking pictures and sending it to her friends, with the knife she said i didn't think he would stab me hahahahaha
@@BlackStump172 No, I think she planned to use it on him, claim self defence and show all her evidence as 'proof' he was abusive. Her plan was foiled because he refused to put her in his will and instead asked for a postnup. That's when she went ballistic and severed his finger.
For me whatever the verdict is, johnny won coz he showed the world the truth..and amber really hit the wall hard...and she got total global humiliation..
I felt firmly that Elaine was emotionally spent before closing started. She looked near tears at points during Depp's team doing closing - like she believed what they said and knew the battle was already lost.
I feel sorry for Elaine - (though I don’t respect her behavior...nor do I think I’d enjoy her personality ☺️ ) but it’s sad that this one trial has basically ruined her Super Lawyer reputation.... 😏
This was my main takeaway from this trial. That amber was/is a very broken person who needs help. It doesn’t absolve her of what she did but I felt bad for her
I was waiting to see if Runkle would do a live today or wait until tonight. We are all tired I can’t IMAGINE sleeping on a pavement, waking up to chaos, and having a crazy day. Thanks for all you do Runkle!🧙🧙
This is not a first amendment issue. If it were, there would be no basis for defamation cases. That just seems like grabbing at straws and gaslighting. I'm surprised no one called out that manipulative deviation from the point of this case.
Somehow I feel it had something to do with Amber the day before and her "As an American citizen, I have the right, blah, blah, blah". It's like they're trying to do their best to cover her b.s.
The symbolic impact of the weather phenomena during this trial was positively awe inspiring! I counted 4, 3 of which were ominous during Heard presentations: Rolling thunder during Elaine’s close, the “Severe Storm Warning” phone alerts going off during Rottonborn’s close (which Judge Azcarate ironically identified as an “Amber Alert”) - and the impeccably timed literal LIGHTNING STRIKE causing courtroom lights to flicker during Heard’s testimony - the odds of happening I can’t even imagine. The beam of light on Vasquez during her cross of Heard was icing on the cake. The impact of these “coincidences” wouldn’t be lost on anyone with spiritual underpinnings, because these were nothing short of BIBLICAL.⛈
Can you imagine being a part of the jury throughout all of this, being invested and getting to finally have a say, just to be told you were an alternate and to leave. Goodness!
What sucks even more is they still have to abide by the rules of the remaining deliberating jurors in case they need to be called back to service. No internet, no researching, talking about the case until the verdict comes back.
I understand that Rotten (pause) Born is a damn good lawyer--but gaslighting the jury? Being aggressive and manipulative to such a disgusting level? I have no respect for him. I harshly judge those who play dirty and so disrespectfully. I hate the tricks they tried to play.
Yes. When he basically said not believing Amber is not believing all victims, it made me sick. So manipulative. This is one trial about one woman who lied, not all victims of DV and SA. Rottenborn does not speak for us. And his excuse of the first ammendment knowing damn well free speech doesn't protect lying to tarnish someone's reputation? Aggravating. He and Elaine were twisting everything like the jury didn't just spend 6 weeks hearing about Amber's abusive behavior. It might make them good at their job for their desired outcome, but it's slimey. Poster children for why people don't like or trust lawyers.
Totally agree, completely lost respect for him, he was using straw man arguments with lots of misdirection and manipulation of facts. Wayne Dennison on the other hand showed how a professional should operate; systematic, polite, courteous and totally devastating.
@@habsom1406 Dennison was awesome! I don't know why I thought AH's team would change tactics after awhile. Like, did they not think of the optics to the public (and jury for that matter)? JD's team remained professional and courteous--not stooping to their low level--while they kept being a*holes. I mean, I guess that's the only tactic they had left to defend their client, but I cannot imagine compromising my personal morals [Truth] to that extent.
He even showed text messages that were incoming and tried to play it off as johnny sending them...when the text was incoming to his own phone like smh. Johnny admitted to every other text but not those because he genuinely didn't write them.
Thought it was interesting how Camille helped Chew with the microphone, like a wife helping straighten her husband’s tie, illustrating what a normal healthy partnership should be.👍
Runkle, you are a good man and a great human being from what I see. I was not an Elaine fan, but thank you for bringing a fair and compassionate perspective. Respect to you.
Not all abused children grow up to be Ambers. Most decide to not be like their abusers and choose to embrace love and kindness. As I said to my mother, 'you taught me how NOT to be a mother'. We can choose to be who we are in spite of our terrible care givers.
What was the hardest to watch was when Johnny testified (both times) and watching Amber reactions. She seemed to take great delight in his suffering. She’s definitely the monster. Ben chew having that little choke up during closing was a sign his team truly believes and adore him. I hope the jury doesn’t take too long.
I hope the jury sees what most see. She's very confrontational and never backs down from a fight no matter the issues she's facing. She lies profusely on little things and things that really matter. She forces other to do her bidding or the person gets it. She's been going after Depp for years. Now he stands up for himself, she says leave me alone. That's what Depp wants. He wants her to leave him alone and stop mis-characterising him in the media. She's so hung up on her image. Can't take it when a single negative thing is about her.
One of the only real emotions I saw from her (besides comtempt during cross) was when they were talking about her career and how she didn't compare to those other actors. She seemed more upset over that than over her "abuse". Her image is the most important to her. She made a huge deal about not looking like a liar.
Elaine was quite disrespectful towards some people on her closing. She referred to Paul Bettany as JD’s “Drug Buddy”, and I found that to be extremely distasteful. Paul Bettany a family man, married to actress Jeniffer Connelly for years. If he does drugs with JD or not is no one business, but she can’t prove nor assume that’s the case, and to refer to him as another drug addicted was pretty bad. That’s defamation right there.
If this is how a well respected lawyer can fall apart and lose themselves and their class and career, just by representing heard well it's not a stretch to see what 5 years with her did to johhny.
I agree, but unfortunately attorney Emily Baker explained in her channel that there's some sort of protection for lawyers in a court of law. Basically, no matter what they say, they can't be sued. They CAN be reprimanded by the judge if there's an objection and they go to the bar. Look how many times Elaine had to retract or go back on what she said in closing! She looked very inept there at the end.
It sounded like Ben Chew was choking up during his part of closing arguments. That authenticity, that true belief in his client, speaks VOLUMES. I know others have spoken on the comraderie of Johnny's entire team and how they seem like family vs. the very island like, disjointed front that AH and her team present. There is a humbleness about Johnny that comes through. AH is 180° from that. Just some of my thoughts. Thank you Runkle for all of your coverage, it has been invaluable. You are a trooper and we all appreciate your time, knowledge, and dedication!
Yeah, because I hadn't heard anybody mention this, I thought I imagined it. He DID choke up though and I remember feeling, this is 'authentic' belief in his client and in the wider issues the case is addressing world wide.
Yeah and the biggest difference I found between AH's lawyers vs JD's was that JD's lawyers used sentences like..he did this, then this happened to him and Rottenborn was so careful he said she alleges that , she said that he did this...I found that so interesting that he wanted to distance himself from her lies and didn't even believe her himself to advocate for her properly. He was just quoting her.
Did you notice at the end everyone applauded.... except Amber (I can't remember if it was thanking Judy the court reporter or the judge). She didn't even give a token 2 clap or even pretend to clap. She feels she is above them all!
@@wheathusk2499 That's a very important point you're making and I never noticed if he actually stated like you said. If he did, then yes, it's a sure sign of trying to distance himself from her lies. And if by some good chances the jurors also noticed that particular difference, then we have a win for JD, most likely.
And finally, re: Elaine: I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Elaine. I practice family law, specifically high conflict custody and DV cases, so I knowhow hard it is when your client goes “rogue”, by going off saying wild stuff on the stand, and/or when you discover mid-trial that your client has misrepresented/lied about the facts, and still have to zealously advocate for the client and do our best with the dumpster fire that our client dealt us. HOWEVER, while I think that’s what Rottenborn was trying to do, I think Elaine absolutely drank the Koolaid AH dealt, believed everything she had been told and that JD actually is the monster AH has been describing him as, based on her mocking of him in court and zooming in on her expressions when the cameras turn to her (including her involuntary gasp during Chew’s closing argument, when he mentioned JD taking personal responsibility/acknowledging his failings). I think she was so gaslit by AH that it overcame her professional judgment.
I noticed that mocking smirk on her face too, at least two times when Ben/Camille said something positive about JD. She believes at least some of what AH told her, so I have very little sympathy. And the twisting evidence and narrative is disgusting (THAT is disgusting Rottenborn!).
@Diana - Bredehoft was utterly unprofessional throughout. I refuse to refer to her as 'Elaine' and feel no sympathy whatsoever for her I'm afraid. I have a modicum of respect for Rottenborn however, he is competent.
This case, in my opinion, is a very clear message to the me too movement, and to the entire world, that abuse happens to men also! So much credit should be given to Mr Depp for speaking out 💜
I hate that people discount that this case gave a voice to false allegations. I bet if you asked JD he would say that's what did the most damage to him. I've seen what being falsely accused can do do a man and it is unbearable. He wouldn't have fought if he wasn't falsely accused.
I suspect that Depp took the stand in the Rebuttal because Depp's team sensed that this would trigger AH's narcissistic insult (with which she dominated and sabotaged her lawyers and her case throughout the trial). She would feel the urgent need to put her ego on the stand once again, to get no less attention than Depp and to finally defeat him. Depp's team was right about that! Ps: Elaine Bredehoft shows signs of mental and emotional abuse....
@Amanda Agreed! Someone in this thread stating that she was AH’s attorney in the UK trial, but I don’t think so, because you’d have to be able to practice internationally.
Both of them took the stand as it is as much about personality and message as it is about technical merits. If this was run on those it would have been entirely different trial.
Runkle and friends, thank you for this. This is probably the first time in my life that I willingly sat down to listen to a two and a half hour court analysis and was just so into it. Great commentary.
I agree. Amber Heard destroyed Elaine's credibility as a lawyer but Elaine allowed it. I believe it proves how Amber is so manipulating and controlling.
I dont agree. If Elaine's credibility is destroyed she has only herself to blame, but IMO she hasn't destroyed it. She represents a (loser) and wasn't given enough material to work on.. She's a lawyer, not AH's lapdog. I doubt she would let AH led her to a direction she didn't want to go. At worst she could have dropped AH's case, could have asked her to replace lawyers. Tough in mid trial process, but definitely doable.
Yes bc u can even see in the court room amber begins to berate elaine and ambers body language was really rude towards elaine, she was pointing at her shoulder and enunciating every word with her mouth
I was a victim of DV for 13 years and this triggered me in most of this trial , I was depressed and withdrawn didn’t want to talk to anyone in the end because it was constant and people were getting sick of me ringing them in asterisks and crying. So u stop telling anyone. And I had kids so I used to get kids out and try be normal but dreaded going back into the house , because I didn’t know wether he would be drunk or high . But I’d never speak to him like Amber did because that would escalate things . You feel like your walking on egg shells all day . I was so tired and exhausted because I was constantly having to watch what I was doing and saying even just using my phone would kick him off !! Who you txting ? Boom 💥 he is off. Johnny seems more of the victim she seems to sly and manipulative to me . The lies she told if you were really abused you wouldn’t have to lie. And you remember everything believe me.
I heard JD raise his voice once or twice in the recordings, and I heard AH crying, or sounding 'distressed' once. What I DIDN'T hear, was JD raising his voice CAUSING AH to cry, or get upset, or get scared or distressed in any way. The times JD became loud, AH was louder, nastier, and more confrontational. Alternately, the times AH cried, JD was calmly talking, saying he wanted to leave, or "let's stop and talk again in the morning", etc, etc. You CAN'T take the result (AH crying) of one argument, and confuse it with the events of a DIFFERENT argument (one where JD raised his voice). She was NEVER scared or intimidated by JD in ANY of the arguments they had, quite the opposite, she was provocative and confrontational. This is probably a poor analogy but ...... If a couple have the type of 'intimate' relationship where they engage in acts that require a 'safe word'. Then if they BOTH agree, that's not abuse. However, if one partner isn't 'in the mood' and the other partner insists, that IS abuse. Even though it is the same two people. Likewise, if your partner calls you a: "old f#*king, washed up, fat piece of sh!t, etc, etc". And you retaliate: "You're a dirty f#*king, no good stinking whore, etc, etc" That's NOT abuse, because BOTH parties have decided to throw reason out the window, and instead unload on each other and let off some steam. It CANNOT be abuse if both parties are participating. (You may tell them that "This doesn't solve anything", and things of that nature but, at the end of the day, it's THEIR relationship and if that's how they make it work, then it's nobodies business but theirs). Abuse is when ONE party forces the other party to participate in something (physical or verbal) that they don't want to be part of. And from what I've seen in this trial, it was AH who constantly forced JD into arguments he did not want to be part of. THAT is abuse. I worry that the jury may, incorrectly, make a correlation between the OUTCOME of one confrontation (AH crying), and the events of a different confrontation (one where JD raised his voice), and conclude that JD was abusive. If AH isn't made accountable for ALL her perjury and sent to jail, it will be a travesty of justice
Why the hell are people saying only give Johnny 1 dollar? That’s bull shit. Give Johnny the 50 million he’s asking! Let him decide if he wants to keep it all, give all away or a portion keep/give. Amber SCREWED HIM OVER. Why shouldn’t he get what he deserves after he’s proved she’s screwed him out of 50 million?! She should be PUNISHED. Damn, he has to pay for all these lawyers, travel and other expenses to Virginia for him AND his staff and stop traveling with his band
JD is not a favorite actor of mine for a few reasons but I am team Depp all the way on this case. I am a survivor of DV and it's obvious that JD is a victim in this relationship and I truly hope that he gets justice
I know you most likely never see this, but still wanted to leave this here.....Thank you! Thank you for just being “one of us” who couldn’t make it there....you gave us eyes from the inside, and actually told us all what we wanted to hear about! You did the most valuable and perfect(as far as anything in life can ever be perfect) ...I live in Australia so I’m searching for the most honest coverage from where I had to leave off (when lunch break happens usually) and I always look for your post as I know it’s going to be what I want to know, not someone advertising or using this as an audition tape.....if live, I’m a Lawnerd because I like hearing process as I’m watching. YOU are who I wanted to come to for your read on the jury, cuz I trust you! Thank you for your dedication, and thank you for always posting even when it’s the last thing you wanted to do after a very very hard day + ....just, thank you! 🙌
A big hi fellow Aussie 👋 ! My sentiments exactly and many thank yous again and again for sharing your time so selflessly and imparting your experience, expertise and impressions throughout. You're a super star and I appreciate you. Please do rest and be good to you.
I agree with you op and @sarah Holmes hopefully runkle can see your beautiful thanks and understand how much he is appreciated by so many of us during all of this! I'm interested in checking out more of his content after catching up on what I've missed on the trial so far. I just started following and feel I can trust runkle's observations and taking notes so diligently to share his observations for us to watch on UA-cam for free! So appreciated to hear what the jury reactions are
According to Dr Honda (who hasn't caught up on the whole trial yet) the difference between mutual abuse (two very messed up people deliberately trying to assert control over the other) and reactive abuse (an abused person trying to stand up for themselves or reacting badly to trauma) is the subjective experience. To me it's clear AH was never afraid of JD (she said so; the tapes show not a scintilla of fear; the knife gift). Therefore, the abuse was all one- way. It also drives me nuts that every single time the media mentions the Monty Python texts, they not only don't explain that reference, but they deliberately make it sound like the texts were sent to AH, when she would never have seen that if she hadn't made the false claim.
The saddest part of this case for me is that because Johnny is so rich and famous, I think people (even supporters) are overlooking just how bad the abuse he received was. Yes, he isn’t a saint, but Amber left the relationship basically unscathed. In a year and a half, Depp suffered actual physical abuse based on the black eye photos, lost the tip of his finger, lost 600m, lost his mom, lost his reputation, lost his jobs. The fact that he still has the emotional strength to smile is so impressive to me. I’m so glad to see him progressively smile more and more throughout the trial. Amber deserves every bit of hostility she has received, she is a truly vile human being.
Agree completely! Also makes me really scared of how much effort, time and money it took Johnny to get to this point where we can all see what truly happened. How many men are out there in the same shoes that don't have millions to spend on a lawsuit and the gift of bad acting and obvious lies on the other side. How many men (and women) have no way to legally fight back and win? 🥺
@@ada_pink such an excellent point! So true. But the huge plus that came from this case is that it exposed all those points you brought up. I really hope this will change how these trials are perceived and men and women will have an equal shot. Sadly, I think it’s a step in that direction, but I’m not sure we will ever get there.
Yes he stayed
Great summary :)
Honestly I always liked Johnny but was mostly indifferent - I enjoyed his acting in his best films (like the fantastic Donnie Brasco). Loved the first Pirates film, primarily for the gorgeous Keira but thought Johnny had invented a great and hilarious character. But NOW I will support him given her accusations of wild and exceedingly violent abuse based on NOTHING.
This trial has triggered me so much because i survived. She made a mockery of every woman, man and child that has dealt with abuse.
Sorry you had to revisit your trauma 😕
I felt sick listening to it also, i felt like i was taken back 15 years ago
@@gypsy2496 … I am so sorry. 🫶🙏🫶
@Stiletto … God bless you. 🫶🙏🫶 I agree with your comment.
My sentiments exactly. Much love ❤️
Another powerful thing was when Camille played the audio of Johnny saying “dont tell me what it feels like to be punched” and then told the jury to imagine if that was amber saying that. To me that was a big moment.
I said the same to my husband (who is not a abuser). He said he didn’t hurt me because it wasn’t a hard slap. I said don’t tell me how it feels to be hit! In other wards I felt JD’s emotion. I understand his hurt.
@@Talletc amber did NOT say “dont tell me what it feels like to be punched” Johnny said that to amber, and camille said why dont you reverse that and imagine if amber said to johnny “dont tell me what it feels like to be punched”
@@Talletc Amber did not say that. JD said that. Amber said she hit him, didnt punch him.
Yes, definitely - I think that made us all run that through our minds as if said by AH.
@@goodmab61 Your husband slapped you? That's a no go.
If Johnny hadn't insisted on the cameras, I think most people would just assume he's the aggressor and he had better lawyers. I think that's exactly WHY he insisted on the cameras. his goal is to clear his name and try to reassemble his reputation. But a trial behind closed doors wouldn't have helped him at all. He needed everyone to see the evidence and hear the testimonies so we can all know he is innocent of what that evil woman accused him of.
I completely agree! The MSM would have spun it and corrupted the facts in amber’s favor and we wouldn’t have known any different. Just like the UK trial. In fact, in the beginning they tried that but since we could see the truth for ourselves and pushed back, they were forced to be more honest.
Also, seeing is believing. Camille did a great job using her cross to show the jury what kind of person Johnny was dealing with; showing how much Amber lies and won't admit that she's wrong, using manipulative word play to try and psychologically/emotionally abuse other people.
Having cameras inside the court room was the best thing JD did in this case. In the court of public opinion he’s already won regardless of the verdict from the op ed.
Yes i agree
Very good point….
But I also think Johnny has to own his own abusive verbal and written
comments, which legally ARE considered abusive….
No one is innocent here, but AH is NOT owning ANY
of her abuses…..very very sad (albeit Fascinating)
law case, I’m hoping justice and healing for all✌️
Jurors not being sufficiently compensated for their very necessary public duty is frankly scandalous for a case of this duration and profile.
It has the potential to rile them as they are losing money by being there. A really bad way to run jury trial.
Jury service you get paid an excellent daily figure! That's why people love doing it! Well that's in the UK. America should be the same! You are always ahead of us in everything! I just hope anyway! X
In Australia , the employer has to keep paying their wages . If self-employed , I don’t know as I always made an excuse and did not do it .
Hopefully they'll get some well-paid media interview offers.
@@BlackStump172 same in uk. The employer is compensated
Just finished listening to Elaine’s closing arguments. Why do I feel like I’ve just been attacked by a flock of angry seagulls?
🤣🤣, great band Flock Of Seagulls 👍🤗
Angry seagulls would be a piece of cake, lol
That's a great analogy! 😂😂😂
I live on a lake, in the Midwest, so an angry, aggressive flock of geese came to my mind. 🤣
Or just had all the blood sucked out of your body by a vampire. Vicki
Exactly…😂🤣
Her mocking laugh "felt" taunting and malevolent. As a person that endured DV on different years ago, I can boldly say that I would NEVER have prodded or confonted the "aggressor"; much less, mockingly laugh in their presence or vicinity. She seems like a shallow person; void of true emotion as well as, lacking empathy for fellow human beings.
I agree. If there was ever a time to be provoked to hurt her, that would be it.
I completely CONCUR!!!
Do you get to Bring a date?
I am recently in Johnny Depp's position. Even though we never hit each other, (both of us are 52 years old) she falsely accused me of DV to break up with me and have me removed from her house. fortunately for me, she lied so badly, even though it was totally believed by the cops at the time, I had video proof of her lies and there were never charges filed. But, before I got everything to the DA she also filled a TRO and LIED AGAIN, stating the same lies, easily disproven by video, again. But I moved out before she returned to house that we both lived in and I supported for 4 years, and became homeless in a sense. I'm a disabled veteran with combat PTSD, and am still on SSA disability. She tried to "love bomb" me on the morning, came back to pick up gloves for her work in a salon that I BOUGHT FOR HER on Amazon, then left, saying, "I love you!!".
Later that night the police showed up to arrest me but I was at the neighbors house and watched them on the Xfinity cameras.
That was on January 21.
Last week I went to the RO hearing and even though I proved she was lying, again, STRAIGHT TO THE JUDGES FACE, he granted another 6 months of temp RO, and then it'll be gone. But she's now selling her house and the court allowed her to ghost me, while she's been selling off my piano, pool table, sheds and tool racks in the garage.
I can't afford to hire an attorney like Johnny Depp, but I keep trying to find a way to get a lawyer to help me. It's patently clear that she lied about everything. But I still don't know what to do about it. In another 3 months I'll be homeless, but she's going to profit on all the work I've done on her house and the housing prices have almost doubled in her area of Modesto, California.
I really wish I had some help!! I havea landmark case!! Bulletproof!! I have phone records that prove she's lying, text messages, and the videos of everything that happened that day.
Damn my life sucks. Anyone can tear your life apart with lies.
She is, and that is the very definition of a psychopath.
“Nobody’s crying for Amber Heard. Including Amber Heard” is one of the best things I’ve heard about this trial yet!! This should be on merch! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
If there were a movie version of this trial, you couldn’t cast Amber Heard in her own role bc she’s so unbelievable that it would seem like a total exaggeration. Thank goodness there were cameras in the courtroom. So glad we all saw just how much of a liar she is.
I feel that Elaine and her team might end up being the people who’s getting PTSD from all this
Absolutely!...fancy having to listen to Amber's bullshit ALL THE TIME...no way worth the money she's getting paid!..
I heard Elaine was crying in the courthouse.
That was 7 million tax free. Jd should get more for tax cost .
I noticed right away in the morning Elaine’s nose was completely red I thought she was crying before any rumor started that she was crying. I could see why she’s probably getting a lot of hate.
I could never have taken her case as a lawyer. I've always been a Depp fan since 21 Jumpstreet and I knew she was lying when the smear campaign happened.
I really agree with the idea that amber wanted to be on the stand a second time only because johnny did it, and perhaps knowing her personality it was a calculated decision on the dep team
I agree! I think she cannot stand not having the last word! She is her own demise.
@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468 spot on. A narcisist such as AT will want not only the last word but needs/demands attention, whether good or bad.
@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468 ⁰⁰p⁰⁰⁰~0⁰0
@@Mina-gm3pg I like how we went from AH to AT 😁
That's why Camille ended her cross in the middle of AH stumbling to get the last word in during her bs testimony and it definitely got under AH skin that she was cut off 😂😂
Doesn’t matter whether Johnny wins or loses he has the public opinion on his side. Heards career is finished
You would think so, but it really bothers me how mainstream media is still siding with her. Common sense went out the window with the over indulgence of pc.
It’s like truth is a secondary requirement.
@@carolynm9638 it’s the white feminists behind the scenes. They haven’t had a good response anyway. All tweets are fighting back against the bs they are writing. Those of us with sense see the truth. Thank God Johnny fought hard to have cameras in the courtroom. Imagine if not. And imagine how many men have been through the same thing without money! So sad.
@@HS-ie8tj well that’s good to hear - and yes, the cameras have definitely been a godsend to spread the truth of this case.
@@carolynm9638 it’s so crazy how they lie about the trial even though they know it’s being broadcasted to the world. I can’t imagine what they would say if the cameras weren’t allowed in the court. Thank god we don’t have to depend on them to get the facts of this case.
Winning the case would be the most satisfying 🙏
AH was very cruel and aggressive emotionally and physically . She was not at all afraid but antagonistic and provoking. She wanted something to destroy Johnny with.
@radbradboy this also bothers me. I don't understand why this wasn't some point of focus for them. There is no way someone truly absued would act the way she did. The only thing I can think is the defense of not everyone acts the same but geezzz this was clear as day!
That's the nature of Histrionc Personality Disorder & actually a cormobity in Cluster B Disorders.
My own mother is Cluster B which is why I took a nursing specialty in psych wards. You never get answers from these people & my mother was a Mommy Dearest. She is so bad that I always used to describe her as Cinderella's stepmother & she even looks JUST like her. I never said this in front of my kids though because I was terrified they'd say it in front of her, especially if I wasn't there to protect them. When my oldest was 6 she put Cinderella in & my 3 yr old son just lost it. He started bawling & screaming he didn't want to watch the Mommom Movie.
I never told them any of what she did to me when I was little, this was from HIS experience of my mother & she refused to babysit him but he would take my oldest who looked JUST like me even when I would tell her she couldn't. This woman is a piece of work.
What my mother has actually been diagnosed with is Histrionic & Malignant Narcissist. This woman LOVES to ruin milestone moments, holidays, birthdays weddings etc but her favorite is a funeral. Depending on who died she will openly bad mouth then at their own funeral. Other tines she will covertly start something with the surviving spouse or kids. Then she will covertly go start shit aimed at them with a select few people at the funeral. When my father died she refused to even tell his siblings & I that Hospice had been called in. I only knew because someone they didn't know I knew saw my abusive ex husband going into my dad's ICU room & called me to let me know mom had called him to my dad's deathbed & was treating him like we'd never divorced. As horrible as out divorce was because it was a DV case she found this very odd.
She had NO IDEA that she wasn't just missing me when I visited, I had no idea my dad was dying because I had gone no contact with my whole family EXCEPT my father's siblings for 13 years. And THAT'S why she refused to tell them their brother was dying. She punished them for daring to defy her & not believe her lies about me.
To make this worse my father was the 1st of his siblings to pass away.
The way I learned he died was I walked in my cousin's salon for a hair appointment & he said "I'm sorry to hear about your dad, mom showed me his obituary this morning" I replied "Well you're the only family member to let me know he died."
Against my objections that I REALLY didn't even need to see the obit he made his mother bring me a copy & she read it to me while he was coloring my hair.
She wrote my name wrong & omitted 1 of my children completely.
I didn't go to his funeral & neither did his siblings because of what she did. They chose not to go because Dad had Alzheimer's, he didn't remember any of them, they had a chance to say goodbye years before he actually died. And they all KNEW she was going to be bad mouthing me thru it all. They chose to circle the wagons around me & I'll forever be grateful they did.
BECAUSE they did that & also chose to tell her that since their brother was gone they no longer have to tolerate her, she's not family anymore it's been THE catalyst for her undoing.
This is a small town & everytime they run into someone that badmouths me & them for not showing up they set the record straight. Right down to telling them I moved back from DENVER to care for my father when he hit stage 3 of Alzheimer's. I was the ONLY child that took any type of care providing for him until she falsely accused me of something SHE did to my dad when I wasn't even there & threatened to call adult protection & the cops which is her famous power move. It happened overnight when just the 2 of them were there. She threatened to ruin my 28 year career because I called her out on an injury he couldn't have given himself.
THAT'S the level these Histrionic Personality Disorder people go to if you dare challenge them or dare to get away from them. They set out to not just punish you, they want to annihilate you completely. They shatter any chance you would have of a support system.
It's quite literally enough to drive you insane.
The best thing to remember about abusive types like this is broken people break people & they enjoy doing it. By the time we try to leave we long ago passed the point of when we should have done it. We can't tolerate anymore.
But they are leveling up the game & it enjoying it.
Hope the jurors see Amber Heard clearly. JD is no saint, but he’s a victim of severe domestic abuse. May he win this trial and heal.
JD is a saint to others, not to himself. Though, hopefully he will be now, he deserves to be.
He will not win much if at all because the system will not allow it, which is a shame because that will tell the world that there are male victims of abuse just as much as women.
Peace for Johnny
May he win this trial and support for rehab for sure!
I agree yes may HE WIN AND START TO HEAL.
AH is despicable. I know Rottenborn was just “doing his job” but his words were also triggering. My ex abused me for an additional 12 years via the court system after I finally left the abusive relationship. The additional damage that the court system allowed him to put our children through was disgusting all because a lawyer wanted to make the big bucks by throwing noodles at the wall to see if they could get anything to stick. He spent $76k versus my $3k in our last court action, which he lost. Abusers will continue to abuse if allowed.
My son turning 18 was the most relaxing day of my life - no more custody hearings!
I hate that people defend Rottenborn and Elaine with that "just doing their job" bs. They knew exactly what this case was, they knew exactly what they were doing standing up there and painting an innocent man as a violent drug abuser with absolutely zero evidence. I have zero sympathy for her lawyers.
Johnny no longer wanted her and she’s going to make him pay, no matter what, she’s obsessed with him and she’s going to make his life a misery for as long as she can get away with it, thank goodness millions of people, men and women see her for the psychopath she is, the truth is out now
Yes - sorry you went through and my situation not as extreme but I completely see from the eyes of a real victim how terrible the lawyers come off defending the abuser especially if they have any inkling that their client is the instigator it’s gross 🤢
Very very similar circumstances for myself and my kids. Massive hugs to you and your family ❤
That cackling tape is the nail in the coffin IMO. It was just so haunting. No victim would ever talk to their abuser like that. I really hope the jury feels the same way.
That shrill laughing was the voice of a scary crazy person.
Your not wrong, that laughing, cackling was awful.
Considering she started her story with how she was slapped across the face for laughing at the Wino Forever tattoo, the recordings didn't make sense, especially the one of her taunting and cackling at him. If he would lose control at anything she said and she was so fearful of him, where was the sound of a slap or beating in that recording? It just doesn't add up at all, plus I completely agree that a victim would not be taunting their abuser like that. It's really the other way around. She also sounded really drunk or something in the cackling recording. I think it was also very disingenuous for Heard and her team to completely erase her own drug and alcohol use during the relationship. I get it, though, since the angle they went with here was "he was high and drunk, therefore he doesn't remember anything" and had they been honest about her own drug and alcohol use, then they'd be creating a double standard.
That triggered me. It was disgusting 😒
Same.
I actually believe putting Johnny back on the stand to get a little roughed up was strategy the he may have requested. Because he knew she would want to copy him to get the last word. Which would make her vulnerable and allow Camille to provide the TKO.
Brilliant perspective
Camille is without a doubt a brilliant attorney and I'm glad she was Johnny Depp's attorney. She deserves to have someone take notice of how she can draw an audience in her way of speaking with great confidence and clarity. I hope after this trial she's able to move up in her firm or possibly another because she's an amazing attorney that I would want on my side any day
I think they were baiting her! Knowing she can’t help herself
@@Kim-hr9bd Kim, now that she is a partner, she will be rich AND set for life, if she can maintain her true brilliance going forward.
I give Johnny alot of credit for taking Amber on. She was of the opinion that Johnny was a push over and she could piggy back off Johnny's career by destroying him...Amber us a dangerous individual and Johnny revealed that.
When you continue to throw out meaningless arguments knowing they have no validity and you are this deeply buried in, you’ve got to be disturbed. “I wish Johnny would go away and just leave me alone” cry baby shit, it was a sight to behold, that kind of stuff made you start to feel what it was like living with her for Johnny.
I'm kind of the same cloth. Trying to please people even though I know they're in the wrong but just for the sake of them leaving me alone. It does obviously have the opposite impact. Then there comes a moment where I'm done with the fuckery and they look completely shocked that I'm able to because they thought they can just get away with it. At least I'm a lot less forgiving now and learning from my mistakes.
Yeah, I get the feeling this lie just got away from her, she had to lie to cover up the last lie… the cycle continues.
I will be shocked if she wins anything, her presentation was just…. Wrong. Objectively, there’s no continuity between claims, emotions, evidence, testimony. It’s madness 🤯
@@christophluger793 You go Christoph ! Every little step towards standing up for ourselvesl, no matter how small, goes a long way..... let's keep up the courage ⭐
Amber kept putting coals on the fire, reengagement with Johnny seems to have two goals. First keeping herself in the news as a brave victim and second to punish Johnny.
The audio with AH’s weird laugh taunting JD is chilling. No way would an abused person act like this with their abuser. I think it shows that in no way AH was scared of JD.
That's what I was talking with my husband about. I can't imagine an abused person talking to an "abuser" who had done soooooo much to her like she did in those audios!!! I hope the jury sees the lies of AH very clearly! Regardless, JD has been able to speak the truth and I hope it begins a healing process in him. A healing from his childhood forward. I hope it brings a peace to him and he can live and truly find happiness.
Like you I have been there and I would have never laughed or taunted my abuser!!! AH is such a horrid person
I AM SURE JURY MUST HAVE SEEN HER SMIRKING
@@chichi775 I, too, was abused and, hell no, I would not have dared to taunt that maniac!
When the audio started with her crazy laugh. JD said something about her crazy laugh! Not the first time he heard it!
Elaine has been AH's lawyer since the UK trial. There is a long list of questionable, if not, unethical tactics. JD's messages were turned over to AH's lawyers in error and they did not return them. AH's lawyers/Elaine did not turn over AH's devices for authentification in spite of a court order. AH's lawyers/Elaine seem perfectly okay using every slimey lawyer trick in the book and a few unethical tricks too. Of course, I feel a little bad for Elaine on this day of her reckoning, but she was all smiles cashing in on the AH train for years while destroying JD's life and livlihood without a thought or a care. Elaine bet her reputation on the AH train wreck and lost. But at least she CAN cry about it.
I didn't know this. Glad I felt no sympathy for her.
I feel like they're such greasy slimy lawyers!
Like it figures that she would pick them!
When she went after the witnesses ("so this is your 15 minutes of fame?") I learned all I needed to know about Elaine. She's a vindictive, hateful woman.
I liked Ben's closing...he got choked up and I just about cried with him. At the end Johnny and Ben had a heart felt hug.💕
Ms Vasquez, believed the words she was saying, she spoke her truth. She believed IN Mr. Depp
Yes and to add to that, Ben Chew also did a great job, especially when his voice started breaking with emotion had me in tears. He really does believe and care about Johnny, actually his whole team does.
She has seen way more evidence then was allowed in the trail plus she was part of the BS UK trail. She know he didn’t do anything wrong. She has a real relationship with depp. Sucks to know that there is audio of amber when she cut off his finger that was not allowed in this trail. Now imagine sitting there listening to her tell some BS story about what happen when you know for a fact she did it. Then she has to listen to some pay off doctor to come on stand and say she didn’t do it.
It's not her truth, it's the truth
Yeah and the biggest difference I found between AH's lawyers vs JD's was that JD's lawyers used sentences like..he did this, then this happened to him and Rottenborn was so careful he said she alleges that , she said that he did this...I found that so interesting that he wanted to distance himself from her lies and didn't even believe her himself to advocate for her properly. He was just quoting her.
And I think Depp trusted and believed in Ms Vasquez.
I think her walking away with nothing is very appropriate, remember… she wanted nothing, but the cars and house, and the money, but she wanted nothing.
She’s not walking away as an Ambassador for L Oreal , she’s just been dismissed.
@@thekitowl that’s good news! Thanks
@@thekitowl really?? That’s good news
@Amanda I’ve just had a congratulatory message from the petition organisers & saying they’ve now closed the petition.
I truly hope & pray this happens
Am I the only one totally digging the bromance between Rob and Ian? They are so adorbs. They should do an American / Canadian Lawyer roomies sitcom.
Thought exactly the same, so nice to basically see a great friendship develope :-)
I want a Runkle uncle!
Agreed! I live 4 hours in Canada from where Ian lives, we Albertans’ love the USA.
Yes and the way they railroaded dui guy.would rather popcorned planet.
@@discodave1899 how did they railroad the DUI guy? What do you have against popcorn planet? I’m just curious…I do like these good men, above. I heard rumours about the DUI guy and I’ve only watched a bit of popcorn planet…it’s all choices.
As a survivor, I would never talk back like she did. JD's demeanor fits more in the abused demeanor. Speaking calmly, the occasional outburst, comes from just being goaded incessantly by AH
I'm a survivor as well. I fought back. hard. I'm not saying that I think Amber is a victim of anything. but I am super concerned by this "I did this so this other person's reaction means they're lying". because that's not how this works at all. Amber is trash. but so is that mentality.
I was so scared. but I couldn't stop myself from fighting back. last time my x lived with me (long time ago) he feels a gun to my face. accused me of going through his phone. said he'd kill me. our son was standing right next to me. I could feel his little hand on my leg. he was 2. I didn't cry or back down or apologize or deny anything. I got my son to walk across the room the ran at my x. grabbed his gun. put it to my forehead and screamed FUCKING SHOOT ME. IF YOU'RE GOING TO KILL ME THEN FUCKING DO IT!! the only reason the police believed me is because I had people on the phone with me that heard me.
I totally agree!
@@lolafierling2154 But your story is very similar to the "occasional outbursts" the OP is talking about. You didn't say in your story that you picked a fight with your ex over some bullshit, taunted hum when he tried to leave, threw things at him, hit him, and only then did he threaten you with a gun. Your actions in that story are actually very consistent with most if not all abuse stories.
On another note, good for you for standing up and challenging your abuser.
You have no idea how much I've enjoyed Runkle's commentary. He and Emily Baker are my favorites. No excess drama. Reliable. Just good people❤
Same here!
Yes!
Yep.
Same for me. Uncivil Law started all of this actually..
Mocking laughter is defenetly not something a scared victom does, a true victom walks around trying to please and not upset the bulli , just like Depp
I am a dv survivor, trust me, you don’t dare taunt your abuser - not ever, under any circumstances. She is so obviously a liar. You don’t bait the ‘monster’
So many people watching this trial were survivors of DV. Many have said the same about AH she's was IMO the abuser. That mocking laughter was crazy!
So true
@@Camille-accessories Actually, that's not always true. I speak from experience. And I believe Depp.
That's honestly not the only definition of a victim, as I fought my mother verbally every day of my life from the moment I could communicate an opinion. Don't pin people into a box. Eggshells are an aspect of it, but not the whole picture. The mocking laughter can be a coping mechanism to get through the pile of crap that just keeps coming from an abuser, HOWEVER in Heard's case, she was mocking him for other things. Both take control over the situation, because whatever the other person is saying is being received as so ridiculous that you can laugh at it. But Heard shows in other ways that she used it to control him with him being the victim.
I'm surprised you found Ben Chew's close weak, at the end when he got choked up, it actually brought tears to my eyes.
I think Ben started off strong but started meandering and repeating himself and getting into the weeds a little bit. I think he was starting to lose some folks but the part where he got choked up kinda saved it. I felt it too.
@@Pohgrey that’s my take too. I think he should have stressed the defamation and malice and republishing more. Legalities are their weakest point. Building their close has to emphasize her tendency to tell the world all the false narrative of abuse. The final and emotional part of Ben’s close was moving and emphatic.
I got all choked up also!
Johnny looked at him, and even through something exhausting for him -- he had to get up and hug the man. They have good rapport. I'm angry that the cameraman did capture Depp hugging Camille too @ the end.
The detail that first caught my attention in the British trial. An abuser tries to isolate the victim from their support group. He moved all her parasitic friends in to live in adjoining penthouses, for free, drinking his expensive wine collection. He never chucked them out till the end.
I’m convinced that this was a scam by AH & cohorts…They should be charged with a crime! Bullying, neglect (when passed out, why no ride to hospital) & theft/marriage to steal millions!
That “cackle tape” scares the hell out of me-sounds demonic.
I've heard it multiple times now through out the trial and it still creeps me out, sounds like a witch or some demonic entity it's scary.
@@Cleffa168 AH is probably high on shrooms...definitely sounds like she’s on something.
I agree. It was so creepy.
@@Cleffa168 I assumed Amber was under the influence of a mind altering substance when she Perhaps I'm giving Amber too much "credit."
She certainly sounds like a nutter.
I went into this trial thinking Johnny Depp had abused Amber Heard. I hadn’t really paid a lot of attention to it but I knew they had gotten divorced and that Amber had accused Johnny of abuse. The three things that convinced me she’s lying is 1. Her testimony style seemed insincere. 2. She altered the photo. 3. She altered the cabinet video. I now believe she was the abuser and made the entire thing up because she’s a vindictive mean spoiled brat. In my opinion Johnny wins no matter the outcome. I believe him not her.
At the end of that very video you hear her chuckle like “got ya”. I wish that would have been noticed
The bruise kit slip sealed the deal for me. You can't have been covering bruises for years and so confidently explain the method incorrectly...
@@itskashkashi and the actual bruise kit was in the bottom right corner of the pic with him napping and the spilt ice cream. Not a camouflage but a bruise making kit!
@@lizroberts1569 oh how I wish she could have been confronted with that! But I'm sure the lawyers knew what was best/allowed.
Did the audios not sway it for you? The amount of times she admitted to hitting/punching him, never claiming he had done anything to her, not once. And her screaming at him bit claiming she constantly feared for her life. All the " crying" but no tears. And let's not forget the amount of times Camille caught her in the lies on cross. Glad you see it for what it is tho now. ❤️
The emotion in Ben’s voice was the cherry on the cake that was needed. The voice crack at the end put out so much emotion and made you FEEL how much it matters. The way he spoke about Johnny’s children and the truth was extremely powerful.
I had tears in my eyes the entire time.
IMO Dennison is the unsung hero of the trial. He remained a gentleman while dismantling the expert witnesses. He was very aware that he needed to remain likeable while taking out the witnesses.
Totally agree. It annoyed me when some of the LB team were very critical of him. As a lay person, I really liked him and enjoyed his cross examinations.
He was like a wolf in sheep's clothing! He elicited far more with his disarming approach that lulled the witnesses into a false sense of security. I thought he was great; team Depp were just amazing.
@@cherylbutterworth6293 I agree, I enjoyed watching him handle Dr. Spiegel. I have to confess I have watched that numerous times.
Did anyone else notice that Amber didn’t applause at the very end when they were thanking the judge and clerks…
She was probably convinced the applause was for her.
Yes I did , as she was just standing there while everyone around her clapped .
Yes, I noticed that too.
Yes I noticed and even if it was a bit of a surprise, it takes a nano-second to put your hands together and join in. She made a conscious decision not to do so. Vile woman.
Did anyone see who started the clapping? I wouldn't be surprised if it was Johnny or Ben and Amber didn't want to join in for that reason.
Amber is worse than toxic. She has no limit on how low she’s willing to go. She has zero moral code. She is as dangerous and destructive as it gets. And she enjoys every single second of it.
the problem here how much damage she will do in the future. She is dangerous paycirhic person.
I’m Just happy that Johnny ‘s still alive to speak his truth
Amber capable of the unspeakable
I worry so much about her baby.
Her poor lil daughter
@@sherryjohnson4307 yessssss I totally agree I think if anything comes out of this she most definitely needs to get Really mentally evaluated. Imagine someone as taunting as that raising a child or teenager it’s scary
Interesting that in Australia the Oped would never have been allowed to be published in the first place, due to privacy laws, unless JD had already been criminally charged. Also def no cameras in the court room, and jurors identities are always protected, for their own security also. And they can't profit later off the case by writing a book etc. And jurors get a proper wage for jury duty.
are you just stating because I thought the decision was from the judge.
In this day and age, I think the identity of the jurors should be kept confidential. Given social media etc. I think their safety could be jeopardized.
The best thing about closing statements is we got to listen to Johnny Depp’s story without the millions of objections from Amber Heard’s attorney’s. AH’s council objected so much during the trial I couldn’t necessarily follow what happened and Camille’s closing statement helped me better understand the timeline of events which seemed very premeditated by Amber from her TMZ photo op at the courthouse to her ridiculous op ed. Camille Vasquez closing statements was a work of art. God bless her she’s a super star!!
This. Unfortunately, Amber Heard said she never remembered anything in chronological order, but even moreso was that the defense didn't tell her story in chronological order either. However, this was because if they told AH's story in chronological order, nothing would've made sense. Which begs the question: Does the defense team have the same memory lapse that AH claims to have, and if they don't, why don't the go through the evidence in order of A-Z?
If I was on that jury I'd be fighting tooth and nail to give johnny all the damages he's asking for and then some. Amber has done irreparable harm to domestic abuse survivors everywhere
she doesn’t have that much money. Johnny, like other abused people deserves the world!
I assume if she pays his and her lawyer fees she's already ruined
Would be nice to see Johnny win and donate the $3.5M to the Children’s hospital that AH didn’t donate to, and also donate to domestic abuse survivor orgs. I’m sure he has a plan for that if he wins the $
@@deecee7042 but Amber paid 6 million for this trial so he probably paid more. Its fair to make back his costs.
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She has Defamed him the entire trial. Every lie, every fake picture, every false claim.
I second that! Well said!!
Runkle, I'm not normally a big law nerd and will probably die down once all is said and done, but I'm giving you a sub and a like for all your hard work. I know you got a lot from the experience but you shared it with all of us and gave us all a unique insight into everything from the inside.
Now go get a nice meal and a solid ten hours of sleep man. You deserve it.
My heavens. I would love a solid 10 hours of sleep in a row. I don't think I've done that in about 20 years. But this gentleman does deserve it for sure. I figure if I get five hours in a row that's not interrupted by something weird it's been a good day. But these people have all worked so hard so we are now on Monday and we shall see how the deliberations go.
I second that motion😊
Re: Chew’s “ask” in closing: I’m surprised that the only thing y’all pointed out about the verdict request was related to the damages dollar amount. However, Chew did something more than that. Specifically, what he told the jury was that what JD cares about is the jury’s responses to Qs 2,3, &4 (out of 7 Qs). Basically, he told them that even if they determine that JD hasn’t met his burden on all elements, if they JUST answer Yes to those 3 questions, then that is enough for JD. Which I think was much more powerful.
I don't think neither one deserve any money. But if anybody get something it should be Johnny. Amber kept pushing her lies until Johnny was tired of her. No telling how far she would've went before he put a stop to it. I think Johnny has some kind of movie deal coming when this is over. Besides amber can't afford to pay him. I don't think Johnny is trying to send her to the po house or back to stripping. He just want her to stop her B's.
@@uneedasims1266 agreed. He just wants his life back
@@uneedasims1266 I think the 7 million for Johnny is perfect because it’s what he lost in the divorce. I also am hoping he would have the sense to donate that 7 million to the charities that were promised the money and were never paid. So it’s more like a good karmic ending because sure maybe neither deserve money but the kids at the children’s hospital do and the real victims of DV do.
I didn't understand what those questions was, 2-4. Would u mind telling me
@@uneedasims1266 he does deserve money if her saying this stuff , that is a very bad thing that actually happens to so many women n men, n he lost money but more his reputation. This wasn't just a u didn't give me what I wanted in the divorce or a cheating thing, this was a horrible thing to do to anyone when.its not even true. Even if a person wins they always have that name with them at the back of everyone's minds. I couldn't imagine have things like that said about me fir the whole world to see n my family/kids, who are innocent of all this, having to hear n have things said about me, knowing they weren't true. Its just wrong no matter what. So what if he did drugs n drank, alot. He's done that forever n.not one women has said he was violent. And even during this not one woman came forward n said that it has happened to her, like Cosby n Harvey guy. So all of a sudden he does it to her? Why? So beautiful? Brilliant actress? Nothing personal but hes been with Kate Moss who was n is stunningly even. Winona Ryder? Alot better actress then amber, I didn't even know she was in magic Mike or Aquaman until now. Now I have to go back n watch them.This is just how I feel. I know things aren't just black n white, but nobody deserves to have these kinds of things said about them if not true. And I honestly don't care if it was someone I didn't like, its just not right.
“When amber heard is breaking down, no one is crying with her, including amber heard.” Sums it up.
“Including Amber Heard” 😂😂😂 That is greatness! Well said!!!
Oh my. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Yep.
😂😂😂
I feel very sad for Elaine. Imagine trying to deal with AH s unreasonable demands…. Seriously impossible to defend a liar…
I feel the same but I think Elaine and her team were so arrogant and greedy when they accepted Amber's case.
@@mayrajscortes Agreed. Don't pity her, she has been paid handsomely and trust me, I felt the same until I watched her laugh at jeer at CV during closing. She doesn't care mate, she's just doing her job without emotion.
@@mayrajscortes it was a pretty sure win for a defamation trial. Amber can be abusive and still win the defamation case because this was a technically straightforward case to judge. Emily D Baker and Runkle both said that the law is on Amber's side, even though that gives me such a bitter taste in my mouth.
@@mayrajscortes it’s possible that her legal team was fooled by her fake evidence and lies too. The moment they knew they accepted a crazy client they were already in too deep to back out :(
I feel worse for Rottenborn. He as much as i dislike AH did a good job. Yes he played dirty but thats his Job, there is no other chance to win. With any other client he would have won this for sure.
By far the best Lawyer on AHs side
When Ben Chew talked about showing Johnny’s kids that the truth matters, and you could hear the emotion in his voice… that was epic.
I think Camille’s white dress was stunning and highly symbolic - honestly it made ME (literature professor) think of the White Queen from chess - like Anya Taylor-Joy in Pawn Sacrifice (she dresses in pure white to “take on” the deadly White Queen persona in her biggest match). Also, as a lit prof, white in general represent purity, chastity, honesty - nothing to hide. That age-old symbolism ties in beautifully with their arguments about Heard - who is the opposite of those things (imho and based on this trial).
AH's closing argument made me genuinely angry.
● Insulting the intelligence of the jury with weak arguments about the 1st ammendment.
● Mistating and mischaracterising evidence non-stop.
● Lying about what JD's team said in their closing.
● Wild accusations of faking evidence.
● Citing evidence that has not been admitted.
● Mistating what mallace is.
● Making an argument that JD used the knife on the bed - inadvertently implying that AH lied on the stand about how the bed was damaged.
● Maintaining that the blatantly fake photos are not fake.
. . .
All of this topped with Elaine's insane disjointed rambling and mockery, that lasted an eternity.
What an utter train wreck.
Amber's laugh was maniacal. Very telling. If she had done this to a child, child would have been removed from her.
let's hope she never does that to that little girl she has. unfortunately AH personality disorders, without intense and ongoing treatment, evidently spill over into ALL of her relationships.
OR if a man was doing that to a woman he would have been in handcuffs.
It’s only a matter of time…
Her laugh was beyond creepy!!!! It was sheer EVIL!
it was like cruella de ville
I loved your comment where you said “Amber Is broken and I’d like to see a world where she is not broken.” That, to me, just shows what a kind natured and hopeful man you are. YES it would be amazing if our would had all good, decent, admirable people in it. That is something to really strive for. Thank you for all those night’s sleeping on concrete. Thanks to Rob also for helping you out with giving you a place to literally 💥 crash. Thanks again for all these live streams just to bring us in to the community of Fairfax.
Luv how Rob is so supportive of everyone shouting out their #s and channels!
The part where Camille pins on Ben Chew's microphone for him after calling him her friend was adorable.
I agree... that looked cute. And I don't think that's staged. I saw how Ben struggled with his mic until the end.. 😂
The mistake Depp's team made calling Johnny back to the stand - I agree it wasn't the best move, HOWEVER, the strategy may have been to goad Amber into going back up as well and if so it worked. I think it was more damaging for Amber to go back up again than it was for Johnny.
Completely agree. Many other lawyers have said it was most likely a tactical decision and it paid off.
You know there's just no way Amber could let him get the last word and I'm sure they knew it too. It was a risky move for Johnny but I think it worked out in his favor. It was a beautiful thing to watch Camille get another crack at her on the stand and she looked good and ready for it too.
@@Pohgrey JDs team was tremendous and worked so well together.
@@Gigipretty64 oh yes, I totally agree. You know I think a big part of why they work so well together is because they believe and feel for their client. That Camille man, talk about a "star is born" moment. She just killed it up there. She had my undivided attention every time she went up.
Thank you, Runkle for all your hard work and dedication during this trail. From sleeping on the sidewalk, to not getting to sleep at all, I truly appreciate your insight on the jury, lawyers, clients and everything else. It's obvious that you are a stand-up guy with true compassion and empathy. Thank you so much!
Wow! No wonder the media is worried about the exemplary work you do...all of you in the tube have blown us away with your innovation. I'm 72 and I have never seen law explained the way you do. Right on and you young lawyers know where it's at. Through with tv. So much to learn...
What pissed me off is when she kept saying to witnesses about their 15 minutes of fame as if ordinary people like ourseleves are somehow a lower class of people than Miss Turd
As a DV survivor, I found myself nearing panic attacks while following this trial. I had to walk away from it several times yet I had strong desire to support the truth. My heart goes out to JD for his years of torment.
It’s hard to watch isn’t it. I’ve suffered through DV in the past and watching the trial has unearthed a lot of memories I didn’t realise I had buried away. But more than anything it’s helped me stop blaming myself. Seeing the reaction from the public towards Johnny, and all the support pouring out, it really warms my heart. I’ve certainly projected myself onto this trial as I’m sure many have, and there are a lot of parallels between what I went through and what Johnny went through. And I also had a very hard time being believed. But I now know that if I was in the same position Johnny was right now I’d have an outpouring of support. And be believed. So as hard as it’s been it’s been wonderful to see. It feels like Johnny’s victory is a win for all of us, and a condemnation of all the gaslighters that flip the narrative and claim that they’re the ones being abused. As far as I’m concerned Johnny has already won, WE have won, no matter the verdict. Take care, stay strong, and always remember that despite how much DV can knock us down you’re a survivor, and you are a very brave and strong person. ❤️❤️
Me, too! This trial has triggered me over and over. I've had to walk away from the television because I was too traumatized. But it's been so wonderful to see the truth emerge and for justice to be served. It's been healing.
@@sueecavanau I have had at least two panic attacks and the rest of the time has been just regular ol’ standard high level anxiety (I probably SHOULD have stepped away) due to the severe triggering of the attempted gaslighting by AH, and her counsel (Elaine’s close was terrible, how she misrepresented the law several times in a row). The experts and Elaine continually repeating that “Aquaman was the highest grossing movie EVER”
🙄🙄🙄🙄
I’ve had two people in my life exactly like AH - one was a long term step parent (the therapy I’ve had to do to reclaim my self….) not to mention the actual SA I’ve experienced… and then come to find out that the story about SA belonged to the former assistant? AH is literally the worst kind of human imaginable. People with BPD/ NPD/ histrionic (cluster B personality disorders) will go to the ends of the earth to destroy you - EVEN IF you play their game, they STILL want to destroy you. They get off on it.
It’s starts with the love bombing “oh JD I looooove you so much. You’re the most amazing ever!” Which is the first part of the idealization phase. Then the devaluation begins and the smear campaign (of the victim) which is why she took so many shitty pictures. Now that this phase has begun, nothing he can do is right but she’s too insecure to let him go. “Don’t go Johnny I just want a hug. I love you Johnny!” She knew though, that someday, somehow, she’d use the pics against JD, even if it was just to show people around her, in order to tarnish his reputation so they’d be on board with her. Her “flying monkeys”. But she’s not done. It’s like a dog who doesn’t
k!££ the rat it finds in the yard. It WANTS the rat to fight back a bit, over and over and over again, because it LIKES the process of the K!££ so it keeps the game going to satisfy it’s prey drive. And all the while, the gaslighting continues so that the victim (JD), will be told that that process isn’t actually happening. Of course mot, because “I love you Johnny. I just want to help you with your addiction. (But I won’t bother to get sober while we live together. You’re on your own”.
AH isn’t getting work because she’s a nightmare. She didn’t need JD to “destroy her career” - she barely had one to start with.
AH is the most despicable abuser I’ve seen in many years. I continue to watch because I’m so hopeful that JD will get the public exoneration that he deserves.
I was with someone who was a lot like Amber. I couldn't look at or listen to her for long because she makes me sick. Living with someone like that is hell. My heart goes out to Johnny
Please don’t forget that Elaine has gotten really down and dirty a few times… she also testified for her client saying things in court she shouldn’t have said. She led her client too. Also said demeaning and rude things. There was ALOT imo that I won’t forget.
She definitely got her toes passed the line quite a few times! It smelt like desperation 💩🐝
Agree!
Yes, she most definitely did. No sympathy for Elaine from me.
@@carolynm9638 yeah..me too..I have no sympathy for her at all..not with all the bu*****t she pull out of her as*.
Elaine made a lot of expressions and body language to suggest she really doesn't like Depp. This had become personal for her and it seems to me to have compromised her ability to be a good lawyer. She was maybe too smug as to how it was going to go.
I think it was definitely tactical to call JD to the stand a second time, they KNEW that AH couldn't let that lie and needed to have the last word. That played out well. 😂
O M G
I cannot BELIEVE I listened to an over two-hour stream by lawyers about a court case. Is anyone with me here?
What’s more? IT WAS FASCINATING and EDUCATIONAL and SUCH an EXCELLENT glimpse into how lawyers “are”. I no longer see ALL lawyers as elitist and sketchy and always looking to take your money without letting you know how they will do it. That. Is. An achievement. This discussion (and those like it) about the Heard is Guilty case has done MORE for my understanding of how FAIR our judicial system CAN be when properly administered by stellar attorneys and a fair and just judge.
Just. Wow.
In the Midwest (where I grew up) they eliminated civics class (how to behave in society). It shows in our current America: No one has been taught and held accountable for civility. Also, my US government class learnings escape me. This renders almost ANYONE who isn’t an attorney CLUELESS when they find themselves in a “legal situation”. If anyone has had the misfortune of being involved in a court case…you are bobbing in a puny life boat praying for calm seas and you’ve never seen water before let alone the sea.
I digress.
My point: I actually have a CLUE how all this legal stuff plays out now-because of streams like this.
See! The “interwebs” can bring real live humans together for good stuff.
Great job.
Love the gentle cadence and calm demeanor. THANK YOU for great collaboration of which you have normalized keeping “ego” out of your discussions. That’s how wisdom is transferred…free of ego.
BEST COMMENT ON UA-cam TODAY. I agree. If someone would have said I'd be watching HOURS of lawyers streaming ...I'd have lmao. NO WAY. Welllll ...YES. Here I am. I have learned so much. I'm not sure I'll keep this interest.. but it's been fascinating. I didn't learn anything about (basic) important fundamentals when I was in school. However, I definitely remember us being taught to square dance 🙄.
Same here! And I don't even live in the US.
@@dazee1084 hahaha! Square dancing! Me too! 😂
Only 2 hours? Child's play. Lol
Meeeee tooo
The end of Ben Chrws closing was great. He even got emotional. His team loves Johnny and are invested in him. That is obvious to the jury. It’s a plus. We don’t see that with Ambers lawyers
Egg zatckly - beards team are all unlikable
When the monster's lawyer produces more genuine tears and emotion than the monster's "victim"....
@@taralejeune68 Bamm 👊
Rob is such a nice guy helping your ADD & keeping you on track & having you stay at his house during trial. Man what a guy.
Damn man sounds like the good jurors got dismissed. If Johnny doesn’t win this then no man ever has a chance of clearing his name because this is as obvious a case as it gets
I know you guys reckon it was a mistake bringing JD up again, but when he was asked to explain what it’s been like, his answer was felt deeply. And that he also said that no matter what happens, he’s been able to tell the truth… That was pretty powerful.
That was my take! It was the real Johnny Depp. It was going to draw out Amber’s fake victimhood and egotistical, combative personality on cross.
I agree with the people saying his team was playing 4D chess to get AH back up there. JD took a few hits while she bombed her whole case. It was brillant.
I agree! I think that's why it took him a long time to come forward! He's a father! His father is still alive! He went after the Sun and now again! If he was guilty he wouldn't air out all his dirty laundry in front of the world!
Yeah I think I was a great move to feature him a second time. Even with his uncouth uncut manner.
I agree. It was a heartfelt statement. His truth. It choked me up and I would think jurors were as well.
If the jury agrees with Rottenborn's definition of abuse during closing, they would likely have to accept that they themselves have committed abuse at some point. Most people have, at some point, raised their voice in anger and said cruel words, slammed a door, or punched a wall. Does the legal definition even extend to verbal abuse? Or emotional abuse?
I pray for Johnny Depp 🇵🇭🇵🇭
The fact that AH had planned to record him takes away the abuse aspect. Slamming your kitchen cabinets bc your mad about something is not abuse.
I think AH secretly recording him all the time is a form of mental abuse.
This is such a good point!
Yes, that was my thought as well.
5 Favourite Trial Moments: 1. When Lawyer Chew held back tears during his closing statement, 2. When an objection against Rottenborn was sustained and JD said, 'You'll be okay,' 3. The Dr. Witness making mouth gestures, 4. Friend Issac's sensitivity and courage, 5. The perfectionism/accuracy of the British Butler! (this is my 6-minute response to the request from a 'super-chatter'). With trial withdrawal until Tuesday ... hope to hear your 5 Faves!
This trial certainly had a lot of Shakespearean elements: pathetic fallacy, dramatic irony, comedic irony, witches, a knife, Lady Macbeth, and a Danish prince.
Yes. Good call!
That's a bit of a stretch. I'll give you Danish talk show host though.
Indeed ... I appreciate your analysis of the situation as a fan of Shakespeare and all things literary ...
All good stories have elements of Shakespeare or Greek theater 🎭
When Camille showed the Jury the knife AH gave Depp, she asked AH if she was afraid he would hurt her...her answer was-why would I? Uhhh so AH isn't
She wanted Johnny to use it on her .
IMO Amber is a chameleon. She has no personality on her own & adopts other people's personality traits & experiences. She was likely trying to be edgy (no pun intended) & artistic like Johnny is. He was probably turned on by her giving him this unusual gift. She used it as a tool of seduction. Along those same lines, I suspect they had an intense & very un-vanilla intimate relationship. Perhaps some of their more adventurous moments role play was twisted & reinterpreted into her SA claims. She was likely VERY into it at the time.
To be fair she said why would i when Camille asked her about taking pictures and sending it to her friends, with the knife she said i didn't think he would stab me hahahahaha
@@BlackStump172 That's dark
@@BlackStump172 No, I think she planned to use it on him, claim self defence and show all her evidence as 'proof' he was abusive. Her plan was foiled because he refused to put her in his will and instead asked for a postnup. That's when she went ballistic and severed his finger.
For me whatever the verdict is, johnny won coz he showed the world the truth..and amber really hit the wall hard...and she got total global humiliation..
Emotional Global Damage!
I agree Johnny has been redeemed in the eyes of the majority of the public. The studios may feel inclined to make book on his fans resurgence.
Still she and her lackeys leech of JD, so her paying will feel better and abuser should pay for their crime beside shatter reputation
I agree, bc the support for him now will remain no matter the verdict. We the people of public opinion already made our verdict.
True dat!
I felt firmly that Elaine was emotionally spent before closing started. She looked near tears at points during Depp's team doing closing - like she believed what they said and knew the battle was already lost.
Yes I noticed that to... she knows the truth deep in her heart
people who were at the courthouse also said that they saw elaine either going into/coming out of the bathroom crying
Ya she was listening attentively to the closing, that's the moment she was being just herself.
I feel sorry for Elaine - (though I don’t respect her behavior...nor do I think I’d enjoy her personality ☺️ ) but it’s sad that this one trial has basically ruined her Super Lawyer reputation.... 😏
"I'd love to see a world in which she's not broken" moved me. What a beautiful way of expressing real compassion! Thanks
I wasn’t able to watch the whole thing due to work. Who said this about whom?
@@sondra4789 Runkle said this. His has a very kind heart. He must be an amazing attorney to work with.
@@sondra4789 around 2:26:40, Runkle about Amber Heard
Ok I thought maybe it was said in the trial. Thank you both!!
This was my main takeaway from this trial. That amber was/is a very broken person who needs help. It doesn’t absolve her of what she did but I felt bad for her
I was waiting to see if Runkle would do a live today or wait until tonight. We are all tired I can’t IMAGINE sleeping on a pavement, waking up to chaos, and having a crazy day. Thanks for all you do Runkle!🧙🧙
Great guy. Very informative.
Many people do it every night and every day in our society
@@SoulDelSol you are so right! It is an unfair truth of today’s economic situation and I hope it gets better
This is not a first amendment issue. If it were, there would be no basis for defamation cases. That just seems like grabbing at straws and gaslighting. I'm surprised no one called out that manipulative deviation from the point of this case.
It was called out. On rebuttal Camile said first amendment doesn't cover lying. She said it with more passion and force than I did.
I could see a “common sense” and “simplenminded” person trying to make it about free speech when it isnt. Unfortunately thats how it goes
CV did during her last statement.
But they did call it out...?
Somehow I feel it had something to do with Amber the day before and her "As an American citizen, I have the right, blah, blah, blah". It's like they're trying to do their best to cover her b.s.
The symbolic impact of the weather phenomena during this trial was positively awe inspiring! I counted 4, 3 of which were ominous during Heard presentations: Rolling thunder during Elaine’s close, the “Severe Storm Warning” phone alerts going off during Rottonborn’s close (which Judge Azcarate ironically identified as an “Amber Alert”) - and the impeccably timed literal LIGHTNING STRIKE causing courtroom lights to flicker during Heard’s testimony - the odds of happening I can’t even imagine. The beam of light on Vasquez during her cross of Heard was icing on the cake. The impact of these “coincidences” wouldn’t be lost on anyone with spiritual underpinnings, because these were nothing short of BIBLICAL.⛈
Can you imagine being a part of the jury throughout all of this, being invested and getting to finally have a say, just to be told you were an alternate and to leave. Goodness!
I would be really so sad! If either of you ever read this, THANK YOU for your time and service, and I hope you know you are very, very appreciated!!
What sucks even more is they still have to abide by the rules of the remaining deliberating jurors in case they need to be called back to service. No internet, no researching, talking about the case until the verdict comes back.
I understand that Rotten (pause) Born is a damn good lawyer--but gaslighting the jury? Being aggressive and manipulative to such a disgusting level? I have no respect for him. I harshly judge those who play dirty and so disrespectfully. I hate the tricks they tried to play.
Yes. When he basically said not believing Amber is not believing all victims, it made me sick. So manipulative. This is one trial about one woman who lied, not all victims of DV and SA. Rottenborn does not speak for us.
And his excuse of the first ammendment knowing damn well free speech doesn't protect lying to tarnish someone's reputation? Aggravating. He and Elaine were twisting everything like the jury didn't just spend 6 weeks hearing about Amber's abusive behavior. It might make them good at their job for their desired outcome, but it's slimey. Poster children for why people don't like or trust lawyers.
@@missmisko429 Completely agree!
Totally agree, completely lost respect for him, he was using straw man arguments with lots of misdirection and manipulation of facts. Wayne Dennison on the other hand showed how a professional should operate; systematic, polite, courteous and totally devastating.
@@habsom1406 Dennison was awesome! I don't know why I thought AH's team would change tactics after awhile. Like, did they not think of the optics to the public (and jury for that matter)? JD's team remained professional and courteous--not stooping to their low level--while they kept being a*holes. I mean, I guess that's the only tactic they had left to defend their client, but I cannot imagine compromising my personal morals [Truth] to that extent.
He even showed text messages that were incoming and tried to play it off as johnny sending them...when the text was incoming to his own phone like smh. Johnny admitted to every other text but not those because he genuinely didn't write them.
Thought it was interesting how Camille helped Chew with the microphone, like a wife helping straighten her husband’s tie, illustrating what a normal healthy partnership should be.👍
They make a great time 💙
or like a daughter straightening her dad's tie. I worked for my father and I.did all of the little things
It was lovely. A show of affection and respect for her mentor.
A touching show of respect.
I thought it was adorable. They’re a great team
Runkle, you are a good man and a great human being from what I see. I was not an Elaine fan, but thank you for bringing a fair and compassionate perspective. Respect to you.
Not all abused children grow up to be Ambers. Most decide to not be like their abusers and choose to embrace love and kindness. As I said to my mother, 'you taught me how NOT to be a mother'. We can choose to be who we are in spite of our terrible care givers.
Except personality disorders are the result of both nature and nurture...there is a genetic component...her father's side I suspect
I was abused as a child, and now I am therapist helping others with their traumas. So, you are very correct about that !!!!
What was the hardest to watch was when Johnny testified (both times) and watching Amber reactions. She seemed to take great delight in his suffering. She’s definitely the monster. Ben chew having that little choke up during closing was a sign his team truly believes and adore him. I hope the jury doesn’t take too long.
I hope the jury sees what most see. She's very confrontational and never backs down from a fight no matter the issues she's facing. She lies profusely on little things and things that really matter. She forces other to do her bidding or the person gets it. She's been going after Depp for years. Now he stands up for himself, she says leave me alone. That's what Depp wants. He wants her to leave him alone and stop mis-characterising him in the media.
She's so hung up on her image. Can't take it when a single negative thing is about her.
One of the only real emotions I saw from her (besides comtempt during cross) was when they were talking about her career and how she didn't compare to those other actors. She seemed more upset over that than over her "abuse". Her image is the most important to her. She made a huge deal about not looking like a liar.
Classic Borderline (a failed Narcissist)
Elaine was quite disrespectful towards some people on her closing. She referred to Paul Bettany as JD’s “Drug Buddy”, and I found that to be extremely distasteful. Paul Bettany a family man, married to actress Jeniffer Connelly for years. If he does drugs with JD or not is no one business, but she can’t prove nor assume that’s the case, and to refer to him as another drug addicted was pretty bad. That’s defamation right there.
If this is how a well respected lawyer can fall apart and lose themselves and their class and career, just by representing heard well it's not a stretch to see what 5 years with her did to johhny.
I agree, but unfortunately attorney Emily Baker explained in her channel that there's some sort of protection for lawyers in a court of law. Basically, no matter what they say, they can't be sued. They CAN be reprimanded by the judge if there's an objection and they go to the bar. Look how many times Elaine had to retract or go back on what she said in closing! She looked very inept there at the end.
@@mysticalmargaret6105 I love Emily watched her the most during this trial
Johnny needs to frame a dollar award with the caption, " This is the day you will remember as the day you almost captured Captain Jack Sparrow".
Thank you mrs. runkle for letting runkle come back to the US for the last days of trial.
It sounded like Ben Chew was choking up during his part of closing arguments. That authenticity, that true belief in his client, speaks VOLUMES. I know others have spoken on the comraderie of Johnny's entire team and how they seem like family vs. the very island like, disjointed front that AH and her team present. There is a humbleness about Johnny that comes through. AH is 180° from that. Just some of my thoughts. Thank you Runkle for all of your coverage, it has been invaluable. You are a trooper and we all appreciate your time, knowledge, and dedication!
Yeah, because I hadn't heard anybody mention this, I thought I imagined it. He DID choke up though and I remember feeling, this is 'authentic' belief in his client and in the wider issues the case is addressing world wide.
Yeah and the biggest difference I found between AH's lawyers vs JD's was that JD's lawyers used sentences like..he did this, then this happened to him and Rottenborn was so careful he said she alleges that , she said that he did this...I found that so interesting that he wanted to distance himself from her lies and didn't even believe her himself to advocate for her properly. He was just quoting her.
Did you notice at the end everyone applauded.... except Amber (I can't remember if it was thanking Judy the court reporter or the judge). She didn't even give a token 2 clap or even pretend to clap. She feels she is above them all!
I also thought Camille got choked up briefly
@@wheathusk2499 That's a very important point you're making and I never noticed if he actually stated like you said. If he did, then yes, it's a sure sign of trying to distance himself from her lies. And if by some good chances the jurors also noticed that particular difference, then we have a win for JD, most likely.
And finally, re: Elaine: I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Elaine. I practice family law, specifically high conflict custody and DV cases, so I knowhow hard it is when your client goes “rogue”, by going off saying wild stuff on the stand, and/or when you discover mid-trial that your client has misrepresented/lied about the facts, and still have to zealously advocate for the client and do our best with the dumpster fire that our client dealt us. HOWEVER, while I think that’s what Rottenborn was trying to do, I think Elaine absolutely drank the Koolaid AH dealt, believed everything she had been told and that JD actually is the monster AH has been describing him as, based on her mocking of him in court and zooming in on her expressions when the cameras turn to her (including her involuntary gasp during Chew’s closing argument, when he mentioned JD taking personal responsibility/acknowledging his failings). I think she was so gaslit by AH that it overcame her professional judgment.
I noticed that mocking smirk on her face too, at least two times when Ben/Camille said something positive about JD. She believes at least some of what AH told her, so I have very little sympathy. And the twisting evidence and narrative is disgusting (THAT is disgusting Rottenborn!).
I agree, she mocked his voice at one time too. Elaine was a bit unprofessional at times
Yes! I believe despite the evidence Elaine was taken in by Amber.
@Diana - Bredehoft was utterly unprofessional throughout. I refuse to refer to her as 'Elaine' and feel no sympathy whatsoever for her I'm afraid. I have a modicum of respect for Rottenborn however, he is competent.
Respect to Law & Lumber for keeping his friend on track! As an adult with ADHD we all need friends like that sometimes!
This case, in my opinion, is a very clear message to the me too movement, and to the entire world, that abuse happens to men also! So much credit should be given to Mr Depp for speaking out 💜
Yes just cause a women hitting a man doesn't hurt like a man hitting a women doesn't mean its OK or not abuse
I hate that people discount that this case gave a voice to false allegations. I bet if you asked JD he would say that's what did the most damage to him. I've seen what being falsely accused can do do a man and it is unbearable. He wouldn't have fought if he wasn't falsely accused.
I suspect that Depp took the stand in the Rebuttal because Depp's team sensed that this would trigger AH's narcissistic insult (with which she dominated and sabotaged her lawyers and her case throughout the trial). She would feel the urgent need to put her ego on the stand once again, to get no less attention than Depp and to finally defeat him. Depp's team was right about that! Ps: Elaine Bredehoft shows signs of mental and emotional abuse....
PS: where?
She walked right into Depp’s teams’ traps. Camille ruffled her feathers and pushed AH to the brink. It was SO perfect.
@Amanda Agreed! Someone in this thread stating that she was AH’s attorney in the UK trial, but I don’t think so, because you’d have to be able to practice internationally.
@Amanda I’m sure she’s completely exhausted
Both of them took the stand as it is as much about personality and message as it is about technical merits. If this was run on those it would have been entirely different trial.
Runkle's "What if anything the f#$%.." shot coffee out my nose...almost choked. Love all you guys!
Runkle and friends, thank you for this. This is probably the first time in my life that I willingly sat down to listen to a two and a half hour court analysis and was just so into it. Great commentary.
I agree. Amber Heard destroyed Elaine's credibility as a lawyer but Elaine allowed it. I believe it proves how Amber is so manipulating and controlling.
I dont agree. If Elaine's credibility is destroyed she has only herself to blame, but IMO she hasn't destroyed it. She represents a (loser) and wasn't given enough material to work on..
She's a lawyer, not AH's lapdog. I doubt she would let AH led her to a direction she didn't want to go. At worst she could have dropped AH's case, could have asked her to replace lawyers. Tough in mid trial process, but definitely doable.
@@kiangee 2 words. Elon musk.. 2 guys will see in a couple days
@@kiangee after a certain point Elaine could not drop Ms. Heard. Even if she wanted to.
I agree
Not if you believe what Runkle says- he said they were top notch.
I think Amber has probably lost her shit on her attorneys behind closed doors.
Someone said that after ,Elaine came out of her side room in tears !
@Denise, Agree! She has to lose it on someone!
Yes bc u can even see in the court room amber begins to berate elaine and ambers body language was really rude towards elaine, she was pointing at her shoulder and enunciating every word with her mouth
AH has just lost her role as ambassador for L Oreal due to the petition.
The audio they played during closing alone gave me chills
We love you Runkle especially when tired. Rob wrangling you in is so funny
I was a victim of DV for 13 years and this triggered me in most of this trial ,
I was depressed and withdrawn didn’t want to talk to anyone in the end because it was constant and people were getting sick of me ringing them in asterisks and crying. So u stop telling anyone. And I had kids so I used to get kids out and try be normal but dreaded going back into the house , because I didn’t know wether he would be drunk or high . But I’d never speak to him like Amber did because that would escalate things . You feel like your walking on egg shells all day . I was so tired and exhausted because I was constantly having to watch what I was doing and saying even just using my phone would kick him off !! Who you txting ? Boom 💥 he is off. Johnny seems more of the victim she seems to sly and manipulative to me . The lies she told if you were really abused you wouldn’t have to lie. And you remember everything believe me.
Hope you are completely out of that relation, Marie, and that you've gotten help with the emptional harm it did to you.
Could not agree with you more and sorry for what u went through 🌷
Same as with my dad only with him you stayed close because if you didn't it would set him off
God Bless you I hope you can heal, Jesus has healed me of my past trauma
I'm so sorry you've gone through that. I hope you're healing daily.
I heard JD raise his voice once or twice in the recordings, and I heard AH crying, or sounding 'distressed' once.
What I DIDN'T hear, was JD raising his voice CAUSING AH to cry, or get upset, or get scared or distressed in any way.
The times JD became loud, AH was louder, nastier, and more confrontational.
Alternately, the times AH cried, JD was calmly talking, saying he wanted to leave, or "let's stop and talk again in the morning", etc, etc.
You CAN'T take the result (AH crying) of one argument, and confuse it with the events of a DIFFERENT argument (one where JD raised his voice).
She was NEVER scared or intimidated by JD in ANY of the arguments they had, quite the opposite, she was provocative and confrontational.
This is probably a poor analogy but ......
If a couple have the type of 'intimate' relationship where they engage in acts that require a 'safe word'.
Then if they BOTH agree, that's not abuse.
However, if one partner isn't 'in the mood' and the other partner insists, that IS abuse.
Even though it is the same two people.
Likewise, if your partner calls you a:
"old f#*king, washed up, fat piece of sh!t, etc, etc".
And you retaliate:
"You're a dirty f#*king, no good stinking whore, etc, etc"
That's NOT abuse, because BOTH parties have decided to throw reason out the window, and instead unload on each other and let off some steam.
It CANNOT be abuse if both parties are participating.
(You may tell them that "This doesn't solve anything", and things of that nature but, at the end of the day, it's THEIR relationship and if that's how they make it work, then it's nobodies business but theirs).
Abuse is when ONE party forces the other party to participate in something (physical or verbal) that they don't want to be part of.
And from what I've seen in this trial, it was AH who constantly forced JD into arguments he did not want to be part of.
THAT is abuse.
I worry that the jury may, incorrectly, make a correlation between the OUTCOME of one confrontation (AH crying), and the events of a different confrontation (one where JD raised his voice), and conclude that JD was abusive.
If AH isn't made accountable for ALL her perjury and sent to jail, it will be a travesty of justice
100% agree w/ your assessments. All your thoughts you wrote in this comment are SPOT ON !!!
Why the hell are people saying only give Johnny 1 dollar? That’s bull shit. Give Johnny the 50 million he’s asking!
Let him decide if he wants to keep it all, give all away or a portion keep/give.
Amber SCREWED HIM OVER. Why shouldn’t he get what he deserves after he’s proved she’s screwed him out of 50 million?!
She should be PUNISHED.
Damn, he has to pay for all these lawyers, travel and other expenses to Virginia for him AND his staff and stop traveling with his band
I think Johnny's last speech was the best. I think he won on that. Telling his story was the most important thing to him.
JD is not a favorite actor of mine for a few reasons but I am team Depp all the way on this case. I am a survivor of DV and it's obvious that JD is a victim in this relationship and I truly hope that he gets justice
I know you most likely never see this, but still wanted to leave this here.....Thank you! Thank you for just being “one of us” who couldn’t make it there....you gave us eyes from the inside, and actually told us all what we wanted to hear about! You did the most valuable and perfect(as far as anything in life can ever be perfect) ...I live in Australia so I’m searching for the most honest coverage from where I had to leave off (when lunch break happens usually) and I always look for your post as I know it’s going to be what I want to know, not someone advertising or using this as an audition tape.....if live, I’m a Lawnerd because I like hearing process as I’m watching. YOU are who I wanted to come to for your read on the jury, cuz I trust you! Thank you for your dedication, and thank you for always posting even when it’s the last thing you wanted to do after a very very hard day + ....just, thank you! 🙌
A big hi fellow Aussie 👋 ! My sentiments exactly and many thank yous again and again for sharing your time so selflessly and imparting your experience, expertise and impressions throughout. You're a super star and I appreciate you. Please do rest and be good to you.
I agree with you op and @sarah Holmes hopefully runkle can see your beautiful thanks and understand how much he is appreciated by so many of us during all of this! I'm interested in checking out more of his content after catching up on what I've missed on the trial so far. I just started following and feel I can trust runkle's observations and taking notes so diligently to share his observations for us to watch on UA-cam for free! So appreciated to hear what the jury reactions are
Agreed!!! Thank you
Yes!!! Agreed!! 🙏♥️
Thank you for saying this! It’s exactly what I wanted to say!!!!
According to Dr Honda (who hasn't caught up on the whole trial yet) the difference between mutual abuse (two very messed up people deliberately trying to assert control over the other) and reactive abuse (an abused person trying to stand up for themselves or reacting badly to trauma) is the subjective experience. To me it's clear AH was never afraid of JD (she said so; the tapes show not a scintilla of fear; the knife gift). Therefore, the abuse was all one- way. It also drives me nuts that every single time the media mentions the Monty Python texts, they not only don't explain that reference, but they deliberately make it sound like the texts were sent to AH, when she would never have seen that if she hadn't made the false claim.
I think if he is awarded a dollar, Amber simply won’t pay it.
I bet her lawyers are very nervous about getting paid. Or at least I hope they were already paid upfront.