That gift giving one; the first thing that popped into my mind is hand over a poisened pie and knock out a whole group of people you want gone because they can't refuse a gift therefore starting an incident and kicking off the plot very good idea.
Minor correction: Rainforests can exist at high latitudes; its only *tropical* rainforests which are constrained to near the tropics (for obvious reasons). Temperate rainforests exist as far North as Anchorage, Alaska. Of course, the rainforests in question *are* marked as tropical.
I find funny to think how a politician in Matema may be the guest of their adversary and try to embarrass him in front of every one else in any way he can. Like first he presents a colorful ceramic container, as the host takes it the underside is however covered by something hairy and sticky (imagine you think your hands are going to grab cold ceramic and instead you feel something completely different, you are instinctively going to look), then the container has a lid that when opened shows food inside but the food is in reality rock salt in disguise so the host may eat it and now he tested the container by opening it but also tasted the food but also tasted rock salt. And finally the ceramic is very thin porcelain so good luck shaking it without breaking.
Well I believe you've missed a bit. You don't *have* to taste rock salt, but there's nothing wrong if you do, and you only shake it as much as you can without causing damage. Recognizing thin porcelain likely wouldn't be hard.
I want to too the only problem is I have roughly the same the musical and lyrical talent of an oyster shell so they never come out sounding right. Its a bit easier in the work I'm doing on a story set in the future of our world because I can just use the tune and meter of real world songs to help guide me (its highly likely real world songs would form the basis for future songs since a surprising number of folk songs are shamelessly lifted from older songs :) )
@@inspectorjavert8443 makes sense. Yeah my problem doing traditional music from fictional worlds is that I'm trying to create a different temperament for them. But every temperament I come up with either sounds too much like something on Earth or too ugly haha. Anyway if you want to check out my lullaby search for Nevaluhrv - Antonio Barolo
@@kzeriar25 what is even so wrong with the pretty sounding music sounding too much like music you could find on Earth? Everybody is going to assume the fictional world is in a universe similar to where Earth is anyway.
@@alsatusmd1A13 yeah, but I'd like to develop a unique aesthetic. It doesn't need to be completely different, just enough so that people don't automatically assume stereotypes based on its sound, like "oh this sounds viking" or "oh this sounds arabic"
I tend to look at peoples' mouths when talking to people. It feels less stressful to me, but it's close enough to eye contact that most people don't seem to notice, or at least don't make comment.
Same. I would die. Staring at the space between eyes would hopefully be close enough! What if you're given something you are allergic to. Like, touching is bad allergic. Can you even refuse a gift?
literally same, i'm binge watching all these older videos again and that just made me so viscerally uncomfortable just imagining it asjdghjfadsfkjsa with that being said tho, it's very naturalistic worldbuilding, cause uh.... that sure is autistic people's experience irl most of the time
I have created a world which subverts “everyone just speaks English”: facebook.com/Rohrerscornetband/posts/3519105904815406. In case of TC;CF (too convoluted, couldn’t finish), a significant population of speakers has Italian as a second language. The upshot of this that Canada gets to exist there and be less divided linguistically.
I *love* the gift giving custom, because I can see so many ways it can be subverted and played with Say a general is visiting the emperor to apologise for a failure, they bring their favourite sword as a gift, and the emperor follows the custom properly until the test step, at which point they cut the general down, and instead of shaking the sword they flourish it, and then offer to cut down anyone else present in the share step
Revisiting this. The gift-giving ritual. I feel my social awkwardness would keep me in the loop for a while as in my excitement I skip the shake-to-show-excitement step right to the share step. And this amuses me so much that a socially awkward person could miss "show excitement" BECAUSE THEY'RE EXCITED.
Computer scientist here, I have got some criticisms for Reformed Kadian. First of all, I think you are missing some delimiters. You most certainly need one for words (like a space). When there is just a string of letters, there is no way to tell when a word starts and another one ends. Also you need a "message end" delimiter, which tells the listener that they can stop listening. Without these talking to a computer would be pretty much impossible. Secondly a language like this would probably use error bytes. You add error bytes to your message so the listener can make sure that they received a correct message. When there is no error byte, it is possible that the message was changed somehow in between sender and receiver, which may result in a new message that is still correct, but not what the sender wanted to say. The error bytes also help to reconstruct the message if it changed. The orthography might be pretty, but its not very functional/efficient. When constructing a language that only has 2 letters, you would choose letters that are as distinct as possible, so there is no chance to misread one. Especially when a computer (in your case brain implants) is supposed to read it. Also using a 2 letter language is highly inefficient. We use binary code to talk to computers only because of electro-mechanical reasons. If we can, we use something with more letters, namely hexadecimal. Even when programming in a very low-level language you never use explicit binary. Instead you use hexadecimal codes that are interpreted as binary under the hood. Hexadecimal has the advantage that it is very closely linked to binary. One letter in hexa is 4 letters in binary (0->0000, F->1111), which makes the conversion very easy. When creating a language that is supposed to be processed visually, it would make most sense to optimize it for information density. Every bit takes up space, no matter how small it is. A very easy way to reduce the space needed is using more letters. Lastly, backwards compatibility. When the language is changed, because there are new words or whatever, you need something like a version number to be able to tell how a message should be read. Of course, maybe everyone is always "online" and gets the newest version all the time. And maybe all records are also updated to the newest version of the language all the time (which would also be kind of inefficient). But what when there are some messages that got "lost". Like a hard drive in the desert, or whatever. When the language changed, and there is no telling how the message was compiled, the message is effectively lost. There is no way an advanced civilization would make the mistake of potentially losing information. So every message should probably be preceded by some kind of version code, that identifies the version of the language used. Which also would necessitate some words in the language that can never change. Like words in the range of 00010000 to 00011000 are reserved for "system words".
Thank you, the language is still in very early beta, so critism is extremely valuable! As for the word delineation, I solved this using huffman trees to determine which word had which /\ combinations. for message delineation, just put a double END modifier when the text data terminates. for the writing system, I was thinking of creating an alternative 16 character system for writing and reading that would be more efficient, and I'll start work on it immediately now that someone pointed it out. Also, thanks for pointing out the error correction stuff, that's a great idea and ill start work on that too. As for version compatibility, I'll include date and language version data after the double END and include another double END to signify message termination. thank you again for your critism!
@@technichron Interesting! Using Huffman trees looks like a good choice :) I may have jumped the gun a bit on the effeciency of the orthography. I think for this kind of language, it would be quite logical to have multiple writing systems with different uses. There could be one for everyday use, more technical ones, or even a system that is just used recreationally. These would all be optimized for different things, like occurances of words in different fields maybe. Since they are all processed on a microchip, that would be no problem at all. As for the language version at the end, that may have unforseen implications. You need to think about how a message is processed by a computer. Putting the version at the end means that your receiver needs to first store the entire message in memory so it can then be compiled. I mean compiled as in the whole thing gets processed in one go and out comes the "meaning in your brain" or something. On the downside, this needs a lot of memory for big messages. Alternatively the message can be interpreted, that means you "read" as the message comes in. So you can process bits of the message and throw away already processed parts. But for this to work the language version must be at the beginning of the message. This approach might be a bit more prone to error or tampering though. Anyway I am actually quite interested so keep me posted as you go along xD
@@Armageddon2k yeah, switching it to the front would make more sense! I'll definitely keep you posted and I'd love to hear what you think as developments go along!
As someone non-neural typical that gift giving ritual sounds terrifying! People with ASD (autism), anxiety, or even just some sensory problems would be horribly ostracized in such situations! The ritualization may make it easier to learn, but the practice of doing it would be incredibly stressful... I even feel a little nauseous at the very idea... This might actually add immensely to the world building if that's a part of the story, perhaps even featuring a subculture group where this gifting method is almost taboo, but otherwise it makes people with such difficulties feel even more alien... I can't imagine one of my relatives even trying, just normal gift exchanges like at Xmas can throw him into a meltdown sometimes. I have such difficulty with eye contact I struggle to make it with myself in a camera feedback when recording video. Some people cannot do the shaking part either because of disability or the noise some objects might make being significant triggers, like some of my in-laws have. This is a magnificent concept, but it's also a minor horror story for some people. I highly encourage addressing that in the world by answering things like: What sort of things can either accommodate for social/physical problems and/or allow people to dismiss the ritual? Can a surrogate accept gifts for you? (Which may even apply for just very old people, as well as those who are blind or deaf.) And if there are multiple hosts at an event which of them receives the gifts; is it a designated host, or perhaps the head of household, is there a rule for that? I'm fascinated by the idea, but it's knock on effects are overtly obvious to me. Hosting customs are a great addition to a world, but it's important to figure out how to bend them as well as how they shift in various cultures/regions/events within the setting. Do these things apply within families? Do they apply at say a festival? Such awesome questions and ideas come from these thoughts. It makes me very curious about the setting, about its history/people, but I would never want to attend a social gathering with such a strict gifting custom.
I'd absolutely hate to be Matema because of being forced to look people in the eyes for prolonged period. Following a character with AS in this world would probably be quite interesting.
That Rice paddy lullaby was really good! I love how it shows the English language getting changed into something else. It’s quite familiar yet different at the same time.
I'd like to see conlang music made more often, you don't see music in conlangs very much tbh If i ever get around to making a decent enough conlang thats one thing i'd like to do with it is write small bits of music around it
@@77dreimaldie0 Not much is available at the moment. I was setting up a (weebly) website but I’ve been a bit too busy in irl to update it recently with all my ideas.
For Reformed Kadian, I think they have a great built-in explanation for texts that can no longer be read. Since the spelling of most words would change over time, you would have to know exactly when something was written to know what the word ranking was in order to read it. If that date information is lost, the number of possible permutations for how the text could have changed would quickly grow out of control. Especially if the text used a lot of technical or specialist words, since those would be the words most susceptible to such changes and the most difficult to derive from context alone. I mean technically this would also fall under "just use the brain-implants", but there's a reason modern cryptography is built on this kind of mathematically-difficult-to-reverse process.
I wonder of they would develop the habit of encoding the date within the text. Like a code added to the end of every document showing that it's finished?
The guest: gives me a hammer Me: tries to eat it The guest: "My dearest apologies." Me: "Oh no problem." Me: tries to eat it again The guest: "I am so greatly sorry." Me: "Don't worry about it." Me: tries to eat it again This goes on until continuously biting the hammer actually causes it to break which would probably count as tasting. After that comes the sharing part.
DAMN. Seths submission is very close to what I've had floating around in my head for a while. I really don't wanna steal that whole thing, but those ideas might bleed over regardless. But I'm impressed at the work, and it really calms my nerves when thinking about a conlang that really doesn't get spoken, but is used everyday due to it's technological necessity. Great stuff.
@spencer, It's a great song and the language sounds neat but it's not really a realistic lullaby. Those are in general short, simple, relatively high pitched (cause you're singing it to a baby) and the lyrics are usually simple and information-low. Lullaby's in many languages particular tend to save archaic words and pronunciations; a fact that can be used in a conlang.
I have created a world where it would be slightly more plausible for a lullaby like that to exist: facebook.com/Rohrerscornetband/posts/3519105904815406. In case of TC;CF (too convoluted, couldn’t finish), a significant population of non-professional singers in this world has almost a two-major thirteenth vocal range. By the way, real lullabies usually contain information about traditional parts of the culture, which is why they tend to sound archaic in many languages.
@@Ptaku93 I'm building it from the ground up... it only uses D6. Skills to determine competence for rolls and the number of dice is based on three stats; Body Mind Soul. I'm trying to make the system easy to learn and quick to set up ... so I'm limiting myself to 30 pages.
@@styxdragoncharon4003 sounds great, definitely would want to check it out someday! If you are interested in another d6-based system, Disco Elysium has one, maybe it will give you some ideas
7:35 through 10:10. I'm not a mom yet, but I'll be sure to take some notes. This is... this quite a bit useful. Damn. So systematic about it too... What a perfect way of teaching gift-exchanging etiquette.
Wow! So many great ideas, love the lullaby that was really cool. (I would have the courage to try and sing something I wrote so good on you.) So happy to contribute to WRLST!
Regarding Ameha K's world map, it's very worth noting that there are coastal rainforests as far north as 54 degrees north, much closer to the arctic circle than anything one would deem tropical. The northernmost landmark I can think of that fits the rainforest definition (2.5-4.5m of annual precipitation) is Prince Rupert, British Columbia. This is a small town just south of the Alaska Panhandle's southernmost point and BC's northernmost port. Their annual rainfall of 3.060 metres on average falls well within the defined range for rainforests. We would typically refer to it as a "temperate coastal rainforest." (There may be rainforests further north in the Alaska Panhandle or in other areas with high rainfall, but as I am from BC and my ecology source (aka: my father) specialized in the forests of BC, so I don't know of any others.) A temperate coastal rainforest is a *very* different environment than you would expect from the typical definition of a rainforest - some areas around here are forests of Douglas Fir with 7-8 feet of salal underbrush, which makes navigation all but impossible and traversal extremely wet and unpleasant except in the latter days of a long summer drought when the salal has finally dried off to the point where it's not like walking through a sea of tongues. (Salal is very pretty until you have to walk through it; when it's waist high, it's really gross and clingy and unpleasant...I've never been subjected to the salal being over my head, but by all accounts it's a truly miserable experience.)
The lullaby reminds me of jewish prayer Songs more than a simple song for simple people, maybe it could be repurposed in a big ceremony of life at the start of Spring or something similar, and for the lullaby make it a little simpler and more melodicysed
10:50 I imagine the tilt of the planet could be responsible there, although I'm not sure how that would affect things in this exact situation. That's the only thing I can think of at least.
Hey Artifexian, where does your name come from? Also (unrelated) do you watch Bibloridian's alien biospheres series? I know you helped with the first video, but it just get better and better the more I watch. Highly recommended :)
do you have tools to try and figure out this world building stuff like what kind of sky color and plant color? water type etc? for those of us that aren't as gifted in those areas to help us?
i have always wanted to make a triple star system maybe a A star with a F star orbiting it which has a G star orbiting it which has a habitable planet orbiting it but i don't know much physics or science so i wanted to ask you if it was possible?
Hey Edgar, you like making planets and climates, don't you? You done some weird ones like tidally locked worlds, but I can't remember you making one with an extreme axial tilt. How would climates and seasons work on a planet with an axial tilt of about 90° like our system's Uranus? What would it be like on a polar continent? What would it be like on a equatorial one?
I want your guy's opinions: I want to make a language soooo bad, but idk where to start. Even the sounds are intimidating to get because I'm worried about symmetry, and idk how to do that😅
Also the other question I have, and really have for anyone who listens to my language, is how much can you understand, either in the orthography or the spoken form? I'm always paranoid that it's too close to modern English.
I feel tempted to use random generators because they make a more naturalistic distribution of my sounds. How can I be sure I’m doing it right without using a generator?
Will you ever go back to doing planet building? There’s a lot of stuff I’d like to hear about, like binary worlds or several planets in the habitable zone.
I wonder how one should shake an item that is better not to be agitated. E.g. a sparkling beverage, you pass it around after it has been shaken, wouldn't the other guests spill some of it on themselves?
To be hones I low-key hate all customs that make it either mandatory to gift something to someone (Or worse, _everyone)_ at a certain event, or strongly imply you being an asshole for not gifting anything. There's just a finite amount of things you can gift to somebody without repeating, and as you exhaust your options you get more and more anxiety for either searching for things you haven't gifted yet or resorting to gifting some mundane shit like food thinking it will offend the people because apparently you couldn't even bother to pick a gift so you just bought first ting you saw while going groceries.
I have read a book about sumerian grammar. It looked pretty much exactly like the one from Keras Saryan. Is this some common format for books on grammar for linguists?
Yes, it's fairly standard when doing morphological analysis. See for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergative%E2%80%93absolutive_alignment. More info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlinear_gloss
I can tell there _is_ a difference, like one could tell if it's exited shaking vs disingenuous, token gesture shaking, but I couldn't tell you what that would look like
Please, maybe, anybody can translate this amazing content on russian or maybe on other languages. Just, i dont andestend this all, but all this content so important for me, so interesting and amazing
Opinion: binary scripts are actually really bad from an efficiency standpoint. So a / or a \ takes at minimum enough space to recognize that the line has a distinctive diagonal direction to it. If we think in terms of pixels, we could say it takes a 2x2 area. How many characters can you form in a 2x2 area though? 16. The thing is, you can read at an almost constant number of characters per second up to a point. Although in reality people tend to read a word at a time. But still, this means words need to be short and distinctive with a good number of visually unique characters and which don't take much space on the page. Ideally words are one character but this is often impractical because alphabets and syllabaries often don't allow simple unique characters to be a whole word. What you don't want is something where a word is physically larger on the page than the eye can focus, which is what most binary systems encourage.
yeah, I was thinking of creating an alternative character system with 16 characters for (in universe obviously) non-kadian speakers trying to learn it. I'll definitely take that into consideration :)
Many languages with highly synthetic morphology manage focus on very, very long individuals words, but each word does carry a lot more data than a binary word of equal character length would. Regardless, as it’s primary a brain transmission language in this case I don’t think that’s an issue.
That was fascinating! And thank you so much for the shout-out :)
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@@Aconspiracyofravens1 wha....?
@@wellplyd8110 Look it up
@@Aconspiracyofravens1 I know what that is but he said nothing about warhammer
@@wellplyd8110 its actually less than 10 seconds in
Apologize over and over when giving a slightly poisonous gift to carry out an assassination but avoid killing everyone else in the group.
Big brain.
You win! HOSPITALITY
Interesting application
YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO! I WILL NEVER STOP EATING HAMMERS!
You damm hammer eaters! Everyone knows that the handle is the part you eat! Not the head!!
Mrs McLennan: Dinner Time!
Jason, to the people online he's chatting with: Stop! It's hammer time.
@@thomasjenkins5727 Hammer time! Yeah, it’s hammer time! Ham- ham- hammer time! Greatest time of day!
Hey guys. I found the allomancer.
Rebel!
That gift giving one; the first thing that popped into my mind is hand over a poisened pie and knock out a whole group of people you want gone because they can't refuse a gift therefore starting an incident and kicking off the plot very good idea.
Minor correction: Rainforests can exist at high latitudes; its only *tropical* rainforests which are constrained to near the tropics (for obvious reasons). Temperate rainforests exist as far North as Anchorage, Alaska.
Of course, the rainforests in question *are* marked as tropical.
I find funny to think how a politician in Matema may be the guest of their adversary and try to embarrass him in front of every one else in any way he can. Like first he presents a colorful ceramic container, as the host takes it the underside is however covered by something hairy and sticky (imagine you think your hands are going to grab cold ceramic and instead you feel something completely different, you are instinctively going to look), then the container has a lid that when opened shows food inside but the food is in reality rock salt in disguise so the host may eat it and now he tested the container by opening it but also tasted the food but also tasted rock salt. And finally the ceramic is very thin porcelain so good luck shaking it without breaking.
Well I believe you've missed a bit. You don't *have* to taste rock salt, but there's nothing wrong if you do, and you only shake it as much as you can without causing damage. Recognizing thin porcelain likely wouldn't be hard.
@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder Ok, then regular thickness ceramic BUT with a internal weak point that makes it easy to shatter
Lol
And then no matter what the taker would do the giver would apologize to start over again
The lullaby makes me want to write more in-world songs for Entorais. And find a competent singer to give them voice.
I really liked to hear the lullaby. I had written one myself for my conworld and conlang, which is even published, so it spoke to me closely
I want to too the only problem is I have roughly the same the musical and lyrical talent of an oyster shell so they never come out sounding right. Its a bit easier in the work I'm doing on a story set in the future of our world because I can just use the tune and meter of real world songs to help guide me (its highly likely real world songs would form the basis for future songs since a surprising number of folk songs are shamelessly lifted from older songs :) )
@@inspectorjavert8443 makes sense. Yeah my problem doing traditional music from fictional worlds is that I'm trying to create a different temperament for them. But every temperament I come up with either sounds too much like something on Earth or too ugly haha. Anyway if you want to check out my lullaby search for Nevaluhrv - Antonio Barolo
@@kzeriar25 what is even so wrong with the pretty sounding music sounding too much like music you could find on Earth? Everybody is going to assume the fictional world is in a universe similar to where Earth is anyway.
@@alsatusmd1A13 yeah, but I'd like to develop a unique aesthetic. It doesn't need to be completely different, just enough so that people don't automatically assume stereotypes based on its sound, like "oh this sounds viking" or "oh this sounds arabic"
8:05 "maintain eye contact"
Me, with ASD: *PANIC ATTACK INSUES*
Bro, same.
I tend to look at peoples' mouths when talking to people. It feels less stressful to me, but it's close enough to eye contact that most people don't seem to notice, or at least don't make comment.
Same. I would die. Staring at the space between eyes would hopefully be close enough!
What if you're given something you are allergic to. Like, touching is bad allergic. Can you even refuse a gift?
literally same, i'm binge watching all these older videos again and that just made me so viscerally uncomfortable just imagining it asjdghjfadsfkjsa
with that being said tho, it's very naturalistic worldbuilding, cause uh.... that sure is autistic people's experience irl most of the time
@@dafoex same
*Reads title.*
Welp, there go my plans for the day.
There go my plans
@@Lyle-xc9pg Thanks
There goes my plans
@@muza-pe1183 Thanks
brain implants should be a more common trope. works a lot better than “everyone just speaks english”
I have created a world which subverts “everyone just speaks English”: facebook.com/Rohrerscornetband/posts/3519105904815406. In case of TC;CF (too convoluted, couldn’t finish), a significant population of speakers has Italian as a second language. The upshot of this that Canada gets to exist there and be less divided linguistically.
Ava, thank you for putting all of my anxieties into a formalized tradition.
I *love* the gift giving custom, because I can see so many ways it can be subverted and played with
Say a general is visiting the emperor to apologise for a failure, they bring their favourite sword as a gift, and the emperor follows the custom properly until the test step, at which point they cut the general down, and instead of shaking the sword they flourish it, and then offer to cut down anyone else present in the share step
Revisiting this. The gift-giving ritual. I feel my social awkwardness would keep me in the loop for a while as in my excitement I skip the shake-to-show-excitement step right to the share step. And this amuses me so much that a socially awkward person could miss "show excitement" BECAUSE THEY'RE EXCITED.
I would really like to read that travel guide actually...
Someone made 10PRINT a conscript. I approve.
Computer scientist here, I have got some criticisms for Reformed Kadian.
First of all, I think you are missing some delimiters. You most certainly need one for words (like a space). When there is just a string of letters, there is no way to tell when a word starts and another one ends. Also you need a "message end" delimiter, which tells the listener that they can stop listening. Without these talking to a computer would be pretty much impossible.
Secondly a language like this would probably use error bytes. You add error bytes to your message so the listener can make sure that they received a correct message. When there is no error byte, it is possible that the message was changed somehow in between sender and receiver, which may result in a new message that is still correct, but not what the sender wanted to say. The error bytes also help to reconstruct the message if it changed.
The orthography might be pretty, but its not very functional/efficient. When constructing a language that only has 2 letters, you would choose letters that are as distinct as possible, so there is no chance to misread one. Especially when a computer (in your case brain implants) is supposed to read it. Also using a 2 letter language is highly inefficient. We use binary code to talk to computers only because of electro-mechanical reasons. If we can, we use something with more letters, namely hexadecimal. Even when programming in a very low-level language you never use explicit binary. Instead you use hexadecimal codes that are interpreted as binary under the hood. Hexadecimal has the advantage that it is very closely linked to binary. One letter in hexa is 4 letters in binary (0->0000, F->1111), which makes the conversion very easy. When creating a language that is supposed to be processed visually, it would make most sense to optimize it for information density. Every bit takes up space, no matter how small it is. A very easy way to reduce the space needed is using more letters.
Lastly, backwards compatibility. When the language is changed, because there are new words or whatever, you need something like a version number to be able to tell how a message should be read. Of course, maybe everyone is always "online" and gets the newest version all the time. And maybe all records are also updated to the newest version of the language all the time (which would also be kind of inefficient). But what when there are some messages that got "lost". Like a hard drive in the desert, or whatever. When the language changed, and there is no telling how the message was compiled, the message is effectively lost. There is no way an advanced civilization would make the mistake of potentially losing information. So every message should probably be preceded by some kind of version code, that identifies the version of the language used. Which also would necessitate some words in the language that can never change. Like words in the range of 00010000 to 00011000 are reserved for "system words".
Thank you, the language is still in very early beta, so critism is extremely valuable! As for the word delineation, I solved this using huffman trees to determine which word had which /\ combinations. for message delineation, just put a double END modifier when the text data terminates. for the writing system, I was thinking of creating an alternative 16 character system for writing and reading that would be more efficient, and I'll start work on it immediately now that someone pointed it out. Also, thanks for pointing out the error correction stuff, that's a great idea and ill start work on that too. As for version compatibility, I'll include date and language version data after the double END and include another double END to signify message termination. thank you again for your critism!
@@technichron Interesting! Using Huffman trees looks like a good choice :) I may have jumped the gun a bit on the effeciency of the orthography. I think for this kind of language, it would be quite logical to have multiple writing systems with different uses. There could be one for everyday use, more technical ones, or even a system that is just used recreationally. These would all be optimized for different things, like occurances of words in different fields maybe. Since they are all processed on a microchip, that would be no problem at all. As for the language version at the end, that may have unforseen implications. You need to think about how a message is processed by a computer. Putting the version at the end means that your receiver needs to first store the entire message in memory so it can then be compiled. I mean compiled as in the whole thing gets processed in one go and out comes the "meaning in your brain" or something. On the downside, this needs a lot of memory for big messages. Alternatively the message can be interpreted, that means you "read" as the message comes in. So you can process bits of the message and throw away already processed parts. But for this to work the language version must be at the beginning of the message. This approach might be a bit more prone to error or tampering though. Anyway I am actually quite interested so keep me posted as you go along xD
@@Armageddon2k yeah, switching it to the front would make more sense! I'll definitely keep you posted and I'd love to hear what you think as developments go along!
@@Armageddon2k also different writing systems for different use cases would definitely be fun!
As someone non-neural typical that gift giving ritual sounds terrifying! People with ASD (autism), anxiety, or even just some sensory problems would be horribly ostracized in such situations! The ritualization may make it easier to learn, but the practice of doing it would be incredibly stressful... I even feel a little nauseous at the very idea...
This might actually add immensely to the world building if that's a part of the story, perhaps even featuring a subculture group where this gifting method is almost taboo, but otherwise it makes people with such difficulties feel even more alien...
I can't imagine one of my relatives even trying, just normal gift exchanges like at Xmas can throw him into a meltdown sometimes. I have such difficulty with eye contact I struggle to make it with myself in a camera feedback when recording video. Some people cannot do the shaking part either because of disability or the noise some objects might make being significant triggers, like some of my in-laws have.
This is a magnificent concept, but it's also a minor horror story for some people. I highly encourage addressing that in the world by answering things like:
What sort of things can either accommodate for social/physical problems and/or allow people to dismiss the ritual? Can a surrogate accept gifts for you? (Which may even apply for just very old people, as well as those who are blind or deaf.) And if there are multiple hosts at an event which of them receives the gifts; is it a designated host, or perhaps the head of household, is there a rule for that?
I'm fascinated by the idea, but it's knock on effects are overtly obvious to me. Hosting customs are a great addition to a world, but it's important to figure out how to bend them as well as how they shift in various cultures/regions/events within the setting.
Do these things apply within families? Do they apply at say a festival? Such awesome questions and ideas come from these thoughts. It makes me very curious about the setting, about its history/people, but I would never want to attend a social gathering with such a strict gifting custom.
I'd absolutely hate to be Matema because of being forced to look people in the eyes for prolonged period. Following a character with AS in this world would probably be quite interesting.
That Rice paddy lullaby was really good! I love how it shows the English language getting changed into something else. It’s quite familiar yet different at the same time.
I'm probably going to have to rip the Kadian script's idea of naturally connecting between lines lol
I loove conlang music! I’m so glad someone made some with their own language
I'd like to see conlang music made more often, you don't see music in conlangs very much tbh
If i ever get around to making a decent enough conlang thats one thing i'd like to do with it is write small bits of music around it
Ava's gift-giving protocol ist Just amazing!!
Thank you 😊
@@avahenson4565 The creator themselves! What an honor *bow*
Can I read more about your culture somewhere?
@@77dreimaldie0 Not much is available at the moment. I was setting up a (weebly) website but I’ve been a bit too busy in irl to update it recently with all my ideas.
But what if the hammer is actually a well disguised cake?
Imagine being forced to swallow cinnamon powder
You don't have to shove a whole bunch of it into your mouth, you just have to taste it
@@Bwizz245 I'd gift someone a spoon together with a tub of cinnamon.
@@BrightSpark But you can only gift one thing at a time, and the recipient can only Taste or Test, not both
For Reformed Kadian, I think they have a great built-in explanation for texts that can no longer be read. Since the spelling of most words would change over time, you would have to know exactly when something was written to know what the word ranking was in order to read it. If that date information is lost, the number of possible permutations for how the text could have changed would quickly grow out of control. Especially if the text used a lot of technical or specialist words, since those would be the words most susceptible to such changes and the most difficult to derive from context alone. I mean technically this would also fall under "just use the brain-implants", but there's a reason modern cryptography is built on this kind of mathematically-difficult-to-reverse process.
I wonder of they would develop the habit of encoding the date within the text. Like a code added to the end of every document showing that it's finished?
These are some really solid submissions this time around. I love these WLRST videos so much, it's so cool to see what other world builders are doing!
I really like how you've started splitting the runtime of your videos into categories!
It’s always wonderful seeing TeX out in the wild
Life advice: don't eat hammers
stop me
My silicon-based lifeforms very much enjoy the spicy flavor of the iron and their silicon nitride teeth grind right through it.
yes
Only Bill Brasky can eat a hammer!
but i like hammers 😭
I love the gift-giving and receiving protocol, brilliant. Wish we used something similar in real life.
person: Thank you for giving me a gift!
also person: [vibrating gift at a frequency of 400hz]
The guest: gives me a hammer
Me: tries to eat it
The guest: "My dearest apologies."
Me: "Oh no problem."
Me: tries to eat it again
The guest: "I am so greatly sorry."
Me: "Don't worry about it."
Me: tries to eat it again
This goes on until continuously biting the hammer actually causes it to break which would probably count as tasting.
After that comes the sharing part.
DAMN. Seths submission is very close to what I've had floating around in my head for a while. I really don't wanna steal that whole thing, but those ideas might bleed over regardless. But I'm impressed at the work, and it really calms my nerves when thinking about a conlang that really doesn't get spoken, but is used everyday due to it's technological necessity. Great stuff.
That binary language just begs for some visually pleasing poems!
@spencer, It's a great song and the language sounds neat but it's not really a realistic lullaby. Those are in general short, simple, relatively high pitched (cause you're singing it to a baby) and the lyrics are usually simple and information-low. Lullaby's in many languages particular tend to save archaic words and pronunciations; a fact that can be used in a conlang.
I have created a world where it would be slightly more plausible for a lullaby like that to exist: facebook.com/Rohrerscornetband/posts/3519105904815406. In case of TC;CF (too convoluted, couldn’t finish), a significant population of non-professional singers in this world has almost a two-major thirteenth vocal range. By the way, real lullabies usually contain information about traditional parts of the culture, which is why they tend to sound archaic in many languages.
10:54 I was thnking how cool would be to go to places like Sierra de Guadarrama and to find that it's a rainforest lol
I keep accidentally reading the name of this series as 'Worst'
SOV: the goat the hammer ate
SVO: the goat ate the hammer
VSO: ate the goat the hammer
OVS: the hammer ate the goat
OSV: the hammer the goat ate
...you just reminded me that I need to get back to writing the combat rules for my RPG...
nice, could you share them here once they're done?
@@Ptaku93 It is an rpg system, not yet working on the world-building.
@@styxdragoncharon4003 yeah, I get it. But what are you going for in terms of combat rules? Is this a d20-based system or a d100? Or something else?
@@Ptaku93 I'm building it from the ground up... it only uses D6. Skills to determine competence for rolls and the number of dice is based on three stats; Body Mind Soul. I'm trying to make the system easy to learn and quick to set up ... so I'm limiting myself to 30 pages.
@@styxdragoncharon4003 sounds great, definitely would want to check it out someday! If you are interested in another d6-based system, Disco Elysium has one, maybe it will give you some ideas
7:35 through 10:10. I'm not a mom yet, but I'll be sure to take some notes. This is... this quite a bit useful. Damn. So systematic about it too... What a perfect way of teaching gift-exchanging etiquette.
10:45 Please remember the existence of temperate rain forests, such as in the Pacific northwest.
I loved that lulliby
Those Kamja sound files are just so relaxing to listen to.
0:40 FUCK that is amazing, i love conlangs that look cool when written
Climate population hierarchy.
Cfa > Aw > Am > BSh > BWh > BSk > Dfa > Csa > Cfb > AF > BWk > Dfc > ET > EF
Thanks for the kind words! :)
Wow! So many great ideas, love the lullaby that was really cool. (I would have the courage to try and sing something I wrote so good on you.) So happy to contribute to WRLST!
Regarding Ameha K's world map, it's very worth noting that there are coastal rainforests as far north as 54 degrees north, much closer to the arctic circle than anything one would deem tropical. The northernmost landmark I can think of that fits the rainforest definition (2.5-4.5m of annual precipitation) is Prince Rupert, British Columbia. This is a small town just south of the Alaska Panhandle's southernmost point and BC's northernmost port. Their annual rainfall of 3.060 metres on average falls well within the defined range for rainforests. We would typically refer to it as a "temperate coastal rainforest." (There may be rainforests further north in the Alaska Panhandle or in other areas with high rainfall, but as I am from BC and my ecology source (aka: my father) specialized in the forests of BC, so I don't know of any others.)
A temperate coastal rainforest is a *very* different environment than you would expect from the typical definition of a rainforest - some areas around here are forests of Douglas Fir with 7-8 feet of salal underbrush, which makes navigation all but impossible and traversal extremely wet and unpleasant except in the latter days of a long summer drought when the salal has finally dried off to the point where it's not like walking through a sea of tongues. (Salal is very pretty until you have to walk through it; when it's waist high, it's really gross and clingy and unpleasant...I've never been subjected to the salal being over my head, but by all accounts it's a truly miserable experience.)
But ... but ... it's a CHOCOLATE hammer!
The lullaby kinda reminds me of Hebrew, interesting
One of the few times my notifications worked. THANK YOU UA-cam.
0:22 Kadian orthography looks so cool I had to pause to create in a minute a program that generates random patterns like that ahahah
Thanks For Telling Me Not To Eat Hammers, I Always Thought That Eating Hammers Was Okay.
The lullaby reminds me of jewish prayer Songs more than a simple song for simple people, maybe it could be repurposed in a big ceremony of life at the start of Spring or something similar, and for the lullaby make it a little simpler and more melodicysed
Thanks so much for the feature! I'll definitely take that advice into consideration
The lullaby was beautiful
Ah, this series really makes me want to dig up my old culturebuilding material and keep working on it.
Understandable have a nice day.
Kamya language really is interesting
Wonderful work showcased here!
I was just thinking how I wished Artifexian would upload :D
I don't need to know what you think when you wash!
@@jackiecozzie4803 lol, silly mistake on my part.
@@Nyveon haha it's ok, gave me a good laugh
10:50 I imagine the tilt of the planet could be responsible there, although I'm not sure how that would affect things in this exact situation. That's the only thing I can think of at least.
The lullaby kinda sounds like gibberish Hebrew, not only the Jewish sounding tune but also the language
"Don't eat hammers"
Ok, Hank Green
I think Im going to submit my country for a future video!! 🙂
Hey Artifexian, where does your name come from? Also (unrelated) do you watch Bibloridian's alien biospheres series? I know you helped with the first video, but it just get better and better the more I watch. Highly recommended :)
do you have tools to try and figure out this world building stuff like what kind of sky color and plant color? water type etc? for those of us that aren't as gifted in those areas to help us?
imagine showing up to a battle with a pie
TIL Artifexian is cute as hell
Awesome content.
i have always wanted to make a triple star system maybe a A star with a F star orbiting it which has a G star orbiting it which has a habitable planet orbiting it but i don't know much physics or science so i wanted to ask you if it was possible?
Hey Edgar, you like making planets and climates, don't you? You done some weird ones like tidally locked worlds, but I can't remember you making one with an extreme axial tilt. How would climates and seasons work on a planet with an axial tilt of about 90° like our system's Uranus? What would it be like on a polar continent? What would it be like on a equatorial one?
uhhhhhhh im confused but im intrigued
The giftgiving ritual seems to have too much eye contact for me, I don’t like eye contact.
I want your guy's opinions: I want to make a language soooo bad, but idk where to start. Even the sounds are intimidating to get because I'm worried about symmetry, and idk how to do that😅
look up kay(f)bop(t) and do the exact opposite
Also the other question I have, and really have for anyone who listens to my language, is how much can you understand, either in the orthography or the spoken form? I'm always paranoid that it's too close to modern English.
@@germax26 The fact that you couldn’t understand much is good news to me :)
@Spencer O'Dowd Do you have any more content about this fictional setting? THat Rice song is in fact one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard
The rice harvest lullaby reminds me a little of Hebrew! Not sure why.
It has some of the same consonants that are in Hebrew but aren't in English, I think.
Does anyone know what font Artifexian uses for text on the screen? For example at 0:58
I feel tempted to use random generators because they make a more naturalistic distribution of my sounds. How can I be sure I’m doing it right without using a generator?
Will you ever go back to doing planet building? There’s a lot of stuff I’d like to hear about, like binary worlds or several planets in the habitable zone.
how did i find this channel? i love it!
is there anyway to find out if our submissions arent getting showcased?
I wonder how one should shake an item that is better not to be agitated. E.g. a sparkling beverage, you pass it around after it has been shaken, wouldn't the other guests spill some of it on themselves?
To be hones I low-key hate all customs that make it either mandatory to gift something to someone (Or worse, _everyone)_ at a certain event, or strongly imply you being an asshole for not gifting anything.
There's just a finite amount of things you can gift to somebody without repeating, and as you exhaust your options you get more and more anxiety for either searching for things you haven't gifted yet or resorting to gifting some mundane shit like food thinking it will offend the people because apparently you couldn't even bother to pick a gift so you just bought first ting you saw while going groceries.
How are all these sumbissions so high quality
The gift giving thing stresses me out because eye contact is super draining for me. :(
I have read a book about sumerian grammar.
It looked pretty much exactly like the one from Keras Saryan.
Is this some common format for books on grammar for linguists?
Yes, it's fairly standard when doing morphological analysis. See for example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergative%E2%80%93absolutive_alignment. More info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlinear_gloss
Id love to have you review my lang or world, once i finish it that is.
i live in a rain forist at 48° north
1. why do you show me this youtube?
2. why did you not show me this earlier?
What is the difference between a natural and an unnatural shaking? Lol
Probably the difference between wiggling something as though you were indicating it to someone or testing its heft, vs. something weirder :P
I can tell there _is_ a difference, like one could tell if it's exited shaking vs disingenuous, token gesture shaking, but I couldn't tell you what that would look like
@@dafoex pretty much yeah 🙂
For the giftgiving ritual, if I gift a pet would it be considered a tool?
So um, when will your next video be uploaded?
What happened to wlrs...t?
gotta love your failure at th :P
Please, maybe, anybody can translate this amazing content on russian or maybe on other languages. Just, i dont andestend this all, but all this content so important for me, so interesting and amazing
Didnt realize this was 2 hrs ago
Didnt get notif
Opinion: binary scripts are actually really bad from an efficiency standpoint.
So a / or a \ takes at minimum enough space to recognize that the line has a distinctive diagonal direction to it. If we think in terms of pixels, we could say it takes a 2x2 area.
How many characters can you form in a 2x2 area though? 16.
The thing is, you can read at an almost constant number of characters per second up to a point. Although in reality people tend to read a word at a time. But still, this means words need to be short and distinctive with a good number of visually unique characters and which don't take much space on the page. Ideally words are one character but this is often impractical because alphabets and syllabaries often don't allow simple unique characters to be a whole word. What you don't want is something where a word is physically larger on the page than the eye can focus, which is what most binary systems encourage.
yeah, I was thinking of creating an alternative character system with 16 characters for (in universe obviously) non-kadian speakers trying to learn it. I'll definitely take that into consideration :)
Many languages with highly synthetic morphology manage focus on very, very long individuals words, but each word does carry a lot more data than a binary word of equal character length would. Regardless, as it’s primary a brain transmission language in this case I don’t think that’s an issue.
@@technichron it is a beautiful script though.
kamya reminds me a bit of turkish
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