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  • @xDShot9000
    @xDShot9000 2 роки тому +764

    Some graphical glitches and performance drops on AMD GPUs can be fixed by running xemu with zink Vulkan wrapper:
    env __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=mesa MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE=zink GALLIUM_DRIVER=zink xemu

    • @Nitsu29
      @Nitsu29 2 роки тому +18

      Are this launch options for steam?

    • @cosmic7019
      @cosmic7019 2 роки тому +55

      @@Nitsu29 i think you paste this into a terminal in desktop mode. i think if you want to use these options on a steam shortcut replace xemu with %command%

    • @Gorilla_Jones
      @Gorilla_Jones 2 роки тому +11

      LOL what? 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @kyl3k91
      @kyl3k91 2 роки тому +45

      @@cosmic7019 So for within steam launch options, it would be:
      env __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=mesa MESA_LOADER_DRIVER_OVERRIDE=zink GALLIUM_DRIVER=zink %command%
      ?

    • @cosmic7019
      @cosmic7019 2 роки тому +7

      @@kyl3k91 yup i think so

  • @Fr33dan
    @Fr33dan 2 роки тому +436

    I had no idea Xbox emulation had come so far. There was nothing for so long, I'm really glad it's finally progressing.

    • @Richiefreshhh
      @Richiefreshhh 2 роки тому +56

      It was scarce like that for years. And then when the Saturn was finally reverse engineered in '17, all emulation took off. I have zero ideas what caused the spike in progression, but you are right.

    • @nap8187
      @nap8187 2 роки тому +5

      @@Richiefreshhh Any recommended Saturn emulators?

    • @oshkoshjosh2224
      @oshkoshjosh2224 2 роки тому +12

      @@nap8187 mednafen core in retroarch is pretty great honestly

    • @speedracer123222
      @speedracer123222 2 роки тому +14

      @@Richiefreshhh Matt came along in xqemu and made a fork of it after it was struggling and they wanted to make it better so they made xemu and first things they did was optimize and added sound. Since xemu/xqemu is low level emulation you can get compatibility fast once the hardware is coded more. Xemu existed since 2019 and xqemu existsed since I think was 2005. With low leve l emulation though it makes it harder to run but with better accuracy.

    • @Richiefreshhh
      @Richiefreshhh 2 роки тому +1

      @@speedracer123222 Thats insane! Appreciate the Knowledge my dude!

  • @SuperNicktendo
    @SuperNicktendo 2 роки тому +145

    Still wild that we have such a powerful device in our hands on the go. I was blown away when the GBA came out in 2001

    • @allhandsonsteamdeck1440
      @allhandsonsteamdeck1440 2 роки тому +5

      IF YOU ARE READING THIS IF I SEE YOU IN PUBLIC WITH YOUR STEAM DECK YOU BETTER LET ME PLAY IT OR ELSE 😡

    • @ccricers
      @ccricers 2 роки тому +5

      Same here, I bought GBA and PSP at launch and in some ways found them more interesting than the home console launches.

    • @bland9876
      @bland9876 2 роки тому +4

      I was sad when the DS came out because I thought the only reason we got 2d games was because the GBA couldn't handle 3d and now that the ds could handle 3d we wouldn't see any more 2d games. Plus all the games I owned sucked like phantom hourglass or Metroid prime hunter.

    • @bhardnavares5903
      @bhardnavares5903 2 роки тому +5

      @@bland9876 Phantom hourglass I can understand but saying Prime Hunters is bad is too far fetched.

    • @bland9876
      @bland9876 2 роки тому +4

      @@bhardnavares5903 at least I was able to beat prime Hunter I couldn't get on to the third area of the map because the fog was in the way in Zelda even looking it up online didn't help.
      I replayed prime Hunter on the Wii U and it's not as bad as I remember but still not super good or anything. All 3 of the other prime games are better.

  • @colinjohnson315
    @colinjohnson315 2 роки тому +209

    Just a heads up. Any external FPS monitor such as Mangohud will give you an incorrect FPS reading with XEMU due to how it works internally. Most of the games in your video are probably not running at a real 60 FPS. You need to use the XEMU internal FPS monitor found within the debug menu to get a real FPS read back.

    • @Psych0technic
      @Psych0technic 2 роки тому +23

      Yeah, I thought it was weird him saying that halo and otogi run at 60fps when they are clearly not.

    • @MorrisseyMuse
      @MorrisseyMuse 2 роки тому +2

      Steam Deck can run Dreamcast games at 60fps; most Xbox games will be 60fps...lol

    • @anonamatron
      @anonamatron 2 роки тому +17

      @@MorrisseyMuse That's not really how it works.

    • @eisregenhaha
      @eisregenhaha Рік тому +9

      @@MorrisseyMuse you dont know a single thing u are talking about, do you... Lol

    • @asddw4998
      @asddw4998 Рік тому +1

      He edited out that part of the video now lol

  • @paladingeorge6098
    @paladingeorge6098 2 роки тому +278

    Just got my steam deck a couple weeks ago, and already loving it! Given how popular home brew on Switch was...it seems that we were definitely in the right climate for a handheld like this to emerge. Not to knock any of the precursors like the Aya Neo, GPD Win3, or OneXPlayer. However, you just can't beat Valve's prices on the Steam Deck - and hopefully availability will increase as time goes on.

    • @MegaManNeo
      @MegaManNeo 2 роки тому +6

      I prefer the form factor of the AyaNeo tbh since it's more in line with the Switch, especially with its dock which I also have but when it comes to the overall experience, Valve really nails it.
      Use to have set my AyaNeo mainly for GoG and GamePass games as well as some emulators while the SteamDeck handles the majority of the Steam library minus VR.

    • @infernaldaedra
      @infernaldaedra 2 роки тому +14

      @@MegaManNeo honestly I think we'll see form factor improvements more than anything else.

    • @Sam-pn2kc
      @Sam-pn2kc 2 роки тому +1

      dam I'm waiting for mine here in Poland October it saying can't wait

    • @michaeliovani4487
      @michaeliovani4487 2 роки тому

      @PaladinGeorge when did you reserve yours? My cousin reserved his at zero hour when first available and he still has not gotten his. He has emailed Valve twice with no response. He doesn’t even want it anymore at this point.

    • @paladingeorge6098
      @paladingeorge6098 2 роки тому +5

      @@michaeliovani4487 I attempted to reserve right when reservations went live, but my account was locked because of successive failed attempts, so my actual reservation didn't get put in until a few hours later. I've known thats been happening to people since the damn thing launched and I have a few theories. Most likely they are trying to evenly distribute availability across different geographical regions, possibly for logistical reasons.
      Lets say, hypothetically, most of the first 100k reservations were made in urban areas and not rural ones. Well, in that case it would probably cost them more to ship a few decks out to rural areas if they were shipping them on a first come first serve basis. However, if they ship the same amount of decks across several regions it probably costs the same. These are all just musings, of course, but for whatever the actual reason is I managed to get a hold of one.
      Its also worth noting that which model he chose likely had an impact. I got the most expensive one...based on the "expected in QX" on the store page at the time, for me the most expensive model had the shortest listed time anyways when I placed my reservation.
      Oh, and another detail that lends credence to my theory is that I have a friend who lives nearby that got his reservation in within the first 15 minutes it went live. He didn't get his until about a month ago, and he has the same model.

  • @mak_707
    @mak_707 2 роки тому +94

    Dolphin emulator has achieved great feats in emulation. But, this video is so eye-opening to me because it really does take a long time to build a perfect emulator, no matter how much high specs you throw at it. Sure, they help a lot but with enough time and effort, you can emulate any game from any console you want with minimum specs requirements.

    • @CodAv123
      @CodAv123 2 роки тому +15

      Just in case some people were wondering about the "Dolphin" window at the beginning: this is not the Dolphin emulator, but the equally named default file manager of the K Desktop Environment (KDE) for Linux which Steam Deck is running as a desktop environment on SteamOS.

    • @KetwunsGamingPad
      @KetwunsGamingPad 2 роки тому

      Yeah that’s not confusing at all for the mainstream ha

    • @bland9876
      @bland9876 2 роки тому +1

      @@CodAv123 why is it not just called file explorer?
      Reminds me of how Samsung calls mirror cast "smart view" for the longest time I just assumed it has something to do with smart homes and I don't care about them.

    • @CodAv123
      @CodAv123 2 роки тому +2

      @@bland9876 Yeah, right? It's probably because Linux has plenty of file managers available, e.g. the one used by GNOME is called "Thunar" and older, so that's one probable inspiration for the name. Different names help distinguish the package to install, but must not necessarily follow any logic. 😅

    • @xerzy
      @xerzy 2 роки тому +2

      @@CodAv123 Furthermore, traditionally it wasn't assumed you would just keep whatever default packages came in. Every program, particularly during the late 90s to mid 2000s, tried to brand itself so people could be aware they are options and what they're best at.
      Also the GNOME one is Nautilus, Thunar is from XFCE.

  • @raikohzx4323
    @raikohzx4323 2 роки тому +32

    The good prospect of this is that a lot of it boils down to the emulator itself rather than the hardware, as some games run okay to fine and others run terribly. It's the kind of thing where in a couple years the Steam Deck should be able to run it just fine.

    • @XSlimSxadyX
      @XSlimSxadyX 2 роки тому

      Like he said, the Steam Deck is pretty much just a tiny PC. It’s wonderful, I hope we can carry around tiny PCs everywhere in ten years

    • @gammaboost
      @gammaboost 2 роки тому +4

      @@XSlimSxadyX you say, holding a smartphone more powerful than the PS4

    • @XSlimSxadyX
      @XSlimSxadyX 2 роки тому +2

      @@gammaboost I doubt it lol

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead 2 роки тому +1

      @@XSlimSxadyX Look up the specs of your smartphone, then look up the specs of the PS4. You'll be surprised.

    • @XSlimSxadyX
      @XSlimSxadyX 2 роки тому +1

      @@CoralCopperHead Look up the specs of my ass vs the specs of the PS4, you’ll be surprised

  • @speedracer123222
    @speedracer123222 2 роки тому +41

    To note you shouldn’t use mangohud for fps measurements as it won’t read accurately. The built in emulator one is in debug>video. Also steamdeck has its own unique issues that aren’t in other hardware that are very close to intel graphics problems none of the contributors or devs has steamdecks so it’s hard to fix issues. There is theories about conkers and other games one being some Z buffer and frame buffer issue with steamdeck because of how it’s reacting which is unique to steamdeck as conker has been tested on other hardware weaker also without problems.

    • @emko333
      @emko333 2 роки тому +1

      mangohud wont measure fps accurately?.... what?

    • @VexAcer
      @VexAcer 2 роки тому +7

      Yeah the framecount definitely seems off in some instances. The Halo footage was clearly not running at 60fps at all, dropping into the 20s too. My guess is that the measurement is trying to say 60fps=full speed? Even then some of the games look like they're running slower than usual and it's still reporting "full speed".

    • @speedracer123222
      @speedracer123222 2 роки тому +8

      @@emko333 this is because emulators like xemu emulates a monitor at 60hz aka 60fps. If it gets below full speed then it starts dipping. As you saw with ninja gaiden black it looked slower but fps said was 59 even tho it was definitely 30 fps.

    • @speedracer123222
      @speedracer123222 2 роки тому +7

      @@VexAcer halo ce is also a 30fps game so it’s definitely inaccurate. Debug>video has accurate fps and mspf readings as it’s directly from the emulation.

    • @emko333
      @emko333 2 роки тому +3

      @@speedracer123222 okay but the emulator is still outputting that mangohud is displaying... its not possible for it to be inaccurate as it hooks right into what generates the frames.... now its possible the emulator is rendering frames but internally its not updating those frames at that rate.

  • @jasperfox6821
    @jasperfox6821 2 роки тому +41

    I've had my steam deck for a month now. Its great to see original games running on this. I love my steam deck, and its great to run games like half life 2 or oblivion, and the original starwars battlefront 2 games that are not on switch. Oh and we can't forget halo MCC, running all the halo games on a handheld is amazing.

    • @nickm5419
      @nickm5419 2 роки тому

      Xbox cloud Streaming

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead 2 роки тому

      It's great as an option, but as far as being the main way to play, I've gotta say, I don't see the appeal. The Steam Deck is built to run full games on the go, but how the heck are you supposed to enjoy playing Halo when you're doing it on the run or during a break, where you have fifteen, maybe thirty minutes at most to play? It's enough time to load a stage, watch the intro, and get about a quarter of the way through before you have to put the thing away, and when you go back, you're smack in the middle of the level and there's no way in HIFL you can get back into the same 'zone' you were in when you had to set it down in the first place.
      If it's the only way to play Steam games, then fine, it makes sense. If you have a PC capable of running what you're running on the Deck, it does not make sense.

    • @jasperfox6821
      @jasperfox6821 2 роки тому +5

      @@CoralCopperHead it makes perfect sence, if your away on vaccination or something, you wouldn't bring it to work unless you had a long break. It's ment for a long car journey or something like that, I was playing MCC recently on my deck, as I was stopping at my boyfriends for the night. And we had a great time. I was on my deck, and he was on his pc. In situations like that, that's where the deck is handy, that and sometimes I'll play a game on my deck instead of my gaming pc, because its fun to do so.

    • @JB-tp6uj
      @JB-tp6uj 2 роки тому +5

      @@CoralCopperHead @shard floofFox just gave you a few examples of why a Steam Deck makes sense and there are several more than that. I'm always baffled why people like you can't seem to imagine any scenarios where "x-product" is useful outside of your own situation. I would hate to think how many things wouldn't have been invented because someone like you said, "this doesn't make sense".

  • @haunter4764
    @haunter4764 2 роки тому +30

    There's a good little work around for running Xbox games at 1x resolution, just press the quick access button (•••) and enable FSR, sharpness at 3 is nice, and there you go, better image quality for Xemu emulation
    The Steam Deck is honestly a dream come true to me, & imo it's a true next generation innovation. It's a portable everything, I've been able to play OG Demon Souls, to Halo 2, to Ocarina of Time 3D with gyroscopic functionality. Honestly gyroscope is just the best thing ever, it's perfect for games like Time Splitter and you can configure it to activate in different ways :D

  • @OniKuno181
    @OniKuno181 2 роки тому +73

    @Modern Vintage Gamer 5:58 looking at ninja gaiden black, it seems slower than usual, although it is 60fps seems there's some compromises with slowdown, just to point that out, great video as usual :)

    • @dreamcastfan
      @dreamcastfan 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah I thought it looked slower too. I’m wondering if it’s the same issue that Mortal Kombat Shaolin Monks had and it’s actually running at half framerate.

    • @GoldSrc_
      @GoldSrc_ 2 роки тому +11

      Ignore the comment from the MVG scammer.

    • @loiscampos4553
      @loiscampos4553 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah, I just finished the first of the three ninja gaiden in pc and immediately noticed that it's running slower than normal in the video.

    • @blisphul8084
      @blisphul8084 2 роки тому +2

      You literally can't reply to the telegram scammer. I was going to troll them, but replies with the @ symbol contain the offending words that trigger the spam bot, so no telegraph jokes.

    • @blisphul8084
      @blisphul8084 2 роки тому

      I was going to reply with: I'm not that Vintage of a gamer. I don't have a telegraph machine. Is there an app I can use instead to claim my prize?

  • @pixreviews6417
    @pixreviews6417 2 роки тому +17

    The Xbox is probably my favorite console of all time, it has psychonauts, Blinx, the best version of Fatal Frame... It's incredible, hope the emulation improves tons more!

    • @mikeoxlong567
      @mikeoxlong567 2 роки тому +7

      Jet set future alone is more than enough reason to get an og xbox

    • @rhysoneill7399
      @rhysoneill7399 2 роки тому +1

      Kotor 1&2
      Fable
      Halo 1&2
      Riddick escape from butcher bay
      Morrowind
      Doom 3

    • @skuzz8182
      @skuzz8182 9 місяців тому

      ​@@mikeoxlong567sega gt 2002 that music scratched an itch i didnt know i had

    • @bobstevemd3265
      @bobstevemd3265 19 днів тому

      Haven't heard anyone mention Blinx in forever !!!

  • @Reynsoon
    @Reynsoon 2 роки тому +18

    Plus, let's be honest, lots of deeper emulation videos mean more content that can be pushed out quicker. You can feed the algorithm, we get cool deep dives. Can't wait for my Steam Deck!

  • @ForeGoneProduction
    @ForeGoneProduction 2 роки тому +31

    I''d like to point out that it is not "almost like a PC" in desktop mode. It IS like a PC. The only downside (if you wanna call it like that) are the immutable system files. Other than that you'll get the full KDE desktop experience.

    • @soooslaaal8204
      @soooslaaal8204 2 роки тому +1

      That would of only been a bad thing if it was Gnome

    • @DMitsukirules
      @DMitsukirules 2 роки тому +15

      The entire file system isn't immutable, only the system files.

    • @slippynipz
      @slippynipz 2 роки тому

      The entire file system is not immutable. I'm not sure where you got that. You can completely do what you want other than your Var/root drives.
      If you want a GNOME DE, (not sure why KDE3 plasma is great) or maybe do some window tiling i3? You can do that. Biggest issue the deck has (For me at least with the 512gb nvme ssd version) is the lack of dock and hookups for peripherals (which will change with the dock or using an anker dock).

    • @dustojnikhummer
      @dustojnikhummer Рік тому

      @@slippynipz You can't change the DE without disabling ROFS though.
      If it was possible that would be great, I really dislike KDE

    • @ProliantLife
      @ProliantLife Рік тому

      It's a PC you can just bypass all that install whatever OS you want like windows

  • @N68dodgeboy
    @N68dodgeboy 2 роки тому +2

    I love the irony of "007: Everything or nothing" and it's like the right side of the screen answers the question: "Nothing". 1:46

  • @mr8I7
    @mr8I7 2 роки тому +4

    Perfect time for this thanks. The Steam Decks abilities are almost overwhelming so it's good to slowly learn about the different systems and how well they emulate.

  •  2 роки тому +1

    I am glad everything seems to be alright and you've started to post videos again. Missed you, dude!

  • @Boba19423O
    @Boba19423O 2 роки тому +3

    Time splitters, jet set radio future, og bond games, and path of neo are some of my most wanted games to emulate

    • @sp1cypepper
      @sp1cypepper 2 роки тому +1

      YESSS, Path of Neo is amazing! Enter the Matrix is alright, but I still love it lol

    • @Boba19423O
      @Boba19423O 2 роки тому

      @@sp1cypepper man I’m so mad that I haven’t been able to play them yet. I’m debating just downloading then

  • @UnderSquare
    @UnderSquare 2 роки тому +3

    A series of emulation performance? I've been waiting for this one!

  • @GuiltyGaming
    @GuiltyGaming 2 роки тому +6

    4:36 A man after my own heart, giving Otogi some good ol' airtime. I oughta float you the dev build I have--it incorporates a fix for the black texture issue and it's glorious.

    • @tylerl250
      @tylerl250 Рік тому

      Any chance I could get a copy if ur willing

  • @PontonFSD
    @PontonFSD 2 роки тому +2

    The framerate via Steam's Power display setting isn't really the internal framerate of the game. For example, Ninja Gaiden showed in the video as 60 FPS, but the frame rate was obviously visually 30 FPS. It wasn't dropping frames but rather slowing down to half speed. It definitely wasn't "silky smooth gameplay". But thanks for the vid anyways. Its always good to see XEMU progress, and hopefully once the team receive their decks we should start seeing performance boosts I imagine.

  • @philtkaswahl2124
    @philtkaswahl2124 2 роки тому +6

    It was only a matter of time, really. There were people salivating about the prospect of using the Steam Deck as a portable emulation box even before its release, so there's been a lot of drive and interest behind this project.

  • @Starzoh
    @Starzoh 2 роки тому +59

    I NEED a steam deck so bad I really wish they were more easily available without paying a scalper

    • @InnuendoXP
      @InnuendoXP 2 роки тому +4

      At least the Aya Neo Next 2 series with the AMD 6000 processors (and other competitors) are right round the corner - and it's all only up from there!

    • @cheerydownylox56
      @cheerydownylox56 2 роки тому +29

      @@InnuendoXP for £1000

    • @dustojnikhummer
      @dustojnikhummer 2 роки тому +19

      @@InnuendoXP at almost 3x the price.

    • @cluclap
      @cluclap 2 роки тому +17

      It was easily available when they asked you to put down $5 last year for pre-order so I guess you didn't want it that badly 🙄

    • @Blin240
      @Blin240 2 роки тому +3

      I ended up buying a new 512 version from someone on FB marketplace and the dude only wanted 750 for it. Its 100 more than msrp but i can live with that. Just gotta wait a bit and be patient for “good” prices

  • @IraJavier
    @IraJavier 2 роки тому +7

    1:46 007: Everything or Nothing .... Nothing lol
    "...game crashes or hangs instantly" shame, it's such a great game.

  • @TheCoolDave
    @TheCoolDave 2 роки тому +2

    I got my 64gb Steam Deck about 3 weeks ago, put in a 1tb drive and played with Emulation first. Completely blown away on what it can do. I tried a few Switch games and I was playing Mario Kart 8 with no frame drops, not a single slow down... It's amazing. Any classic, flawless, WiiU, sure, good frame rates, no problem. I'll have to dump on some of my fav Xbox games on it...
    Looking forward to see what other higher end consoles you can do on it...

  • @seraaron
    @seraaron 2 роки тому +5

    It's a real shame that both Otogi games are still broken on xemu, because those are really the only two games I care about replaying from that era...

    • @bagelbytes69420
      @bagelbytes69420 2 роки тому

      Same... I never had them growing up, but always thought they were cool. Ive been waiting for years for Otogi and Otogi 2 to be playable on something other than OG hardware, and we are SO CLOSE. Maybe Blood wake + Crimson Skies as well, but otherwise I am good.

    • @versatilelord8893
      @versatilelord8893 2 роки тому

      They’re both bc on the Xbox one/series x
      And they run and look great

  • @Murraymint1804
    @Murraymint1804 2 роки тому +7

    Super excited to see you try out some more emulators on the Steam Deck. Got mine a few months ago and haven't tried any sort of emulation yet!

  • @kalark
    @kalark 2 роки тому +2

    installing xemu on my steam deck was one of the first things that I did and while the boost issue in JSRF is annoying I can play around it. I love this thing for emulation so much

  • @wrahn
    @wrahn 2 роки тому +5

    Ah, a fresh MVG video on a Monday.
    This is gonna be a good week

  • @MagnesiumAddicts
    @MagnesiumAddicts 2 роки тому +5

    Hey MVG, did you hear we can RAM upgrade v1.6 OG Xboxes now by stacking the RAM chips on top of the existing ones?
    I was expecting you to make a video on this exciting development.

  • @BxB510
    @BxB510 2 роки тому +5

    Man... this def makes me want to get one. I've been wanting a handheld Xbox for years... the best we can get is mobile gamecube emulation but this.... this is reason enough for me to want the sD

  • @LawrenceJohnYoung
    @LawrenceJohnYoung 2 роки тому +6

    Burnout 3 had some unusual behavior, the loading screen would come up, but after it finished, the screen would go black and you would only hear audio. This doesn't seem to be a problem for windows which runs the game really well

    • @nonewanted
      @nonewanted 2 роки тому +3

      Try it in pcsx2, the performance is perfect and the graphics a bit better

    • @MobileDecay
      @MobileDecay 2 роки тому

      Revenge works great. It also works great on pcsx2.

    • @LawrenceJohnYoung
      @LawrenceJohnYoung 2 роки тому

      @@MobileDecay I like revenge, but takedown is one of my favorite games of all times

    • @MobileDecay
      @MobileDecay 2 роки тому

      @@LawrenceJohnYoung You should be able to play the ps2 version.

  • @bupp291
    @bupp291 2 роки тому +2

    Great video! I just got my Steam Deck on Thursday and have spent the past few days tinkering with all sorts of things. When it came time to set up xemu, I decided to pass as there weren't many games I wanted to play and it was a bit more complicated than some other emulators. This has confirmed my decision, but I would love an update video in a few months if some of the games mentioned get these issues worked out! Thanks for the timely advice!

    • @phoenixrising4995
      @phoenixrising4995 2 роки тому +2

      plus a lot of larger Xbox titles have PC ports.

    • @bupp291
      @bupp291 2 роки тому

      Yup. That's what I got the Master Chief collection for!

    • @giygas_9577
      @giygas_9577 Рік тому

      I really want to play the Xbox version of Splinter Cell Double Agent, but I ended up settling for the PS2 version since this seems complicated.

  • @buddybleeyes
    @buddybleeyes 2 роки тому +4

    Yooo now this is definitely a deep dive that I've needed in my life 😍 Big up MVG for great pieces of work

  • @xBruceLee88x
    @xBruceLee88x 2 роки тому +12

    I was FINALLY able to order my Deck late Friday night. Now to drive myself crazy checking on shipping status until it arrives lol.
    Really wanna try this with mine. I got the 512 model but I'll probably load most emulation things on an SD card
    Saw half life 2 in the library you were scrolling through... I'd say it would be an appropriate title to try out lol

    • @SupermotoZach
      @SupermotoZach 2 роки тому

      Half life 2 is probably best playing the steam version it has platinum on protondb and had a native port.

    • @xBruceLee88x
      @xBruceLee88x 2 роки тому

      @@SupermotoZach well of course, I meant in relation to running an Xbox emulator

  • @orlandofurioso7329
    @orlandofurioso7329 2 роки тому +15

    I love this thing, its quickly replacing every console at home, really happy to have been one of the q2 preorders, Valve really outdid theirselves with this one

  • @michelvanbriemen3459
    @michelvanbriemen3459 2 роки тому +2

    It's great to see Ninja Gaiden Black running on this, if a little slow despite being 60fps. The time between the attacks in a combo is noticeably slower than on original hardware.

  • @blacksunshine7485
    @blacksunshine7485 2 роки тому +6

    OG Xbox is certainly on the top of my list of Steam Deck emulation curiosity. Dreamcast is easily emulated on many cheaper systems so im not curious at all. And id wager switch runs very well. Many OG xbox games im interested in you showcased here. Timesplitters, Jet Set Radio Future, Halo, THPS etc etc It's funny because Jet Set Radio Future has known emulation problems across the board from one emulator to another. Even trying to run it backwards compatible on later xboxs has various issues. With most games luckily, there's work arounds. Like you mentioned, playing the original Conkers Bad Fur Day which id choose over the remaster any day, and Outrun 2 has an arguably better version on the PSP which I'd bet the Steam Deck can emulate upscaled without breaking a sweat.

    • @marcelosoares7148
      @marcelosoares7148 2 роки тому +1

      TimeSplitters 2 has a native PC port inside another game (Homefront The Revolution i think) if you want to check it out

    • @blacksunshine7485
      @blacksunshine7485 2 роки тому +1

      @@marcelosoares7148 That's right! I remember hearing about that. There's also Timesplitters Rewind, the fan project that's long anticipated. Definitely worth checking out

  • @LilSarge
    @LilSarge Рік тому +1

    Great video as usual. Loving my steam deck and the OG Xbox is my favorite console of all time. I have been waiting for this for a long time.

  • @KetwunsGamingPad
    @KetwunsGamingPad 2 роки тому

    I remembered how excited I was learning about redump to run games on Xemu, that tool was just magic

  • @Mattscreative
    @Mattscreative 2 роки тому +3

    Mangohud doesn’t read the fps of the games so halo was only 30fps or lower the fps you where seeing was gamescope only

  • @maritrunks
    @maritrunks 2 роки тому +2

    Great video as always MVG! Really enjoy your videos. One thing I'd like to see in the future is if you can add chapters to the videos, that would be a nice touch.

  • @DavidStrife7
    @DavidStrife7 2 роки тому +5

    Same as with Mortal Kombat playing at 60fps but gameplay logic and animations being at half speed (slow-mo style), I think Ninja Gaiden behaved in the same way. If the footage you showed wasn't slowed down in the edit, that looks far too slow for Ninja Gaiden too. I think that might be at half rate too, despite the 60fps.

  • @bootragweino
    @bootragweino 2 роки тому +1

    I love your videos man, they have a good story/pacing to them while bring informative and fun to watch!

  • @oldhunterraziel5327
    @oldhunterraziel5327 2 роки тому +1

    You had me the second I saw Otogi!! From Software did an amazing job on these two.

  • @Englebert3rd
    @Englebert3rd 2 роки тому +6

    As least there's the PC version of Outrun 2006 that runs wonderfully (apart from a few crashes when you go to sleep mode). Love the Deck!

    • @atul1991ful
      @atul1991ful 2 роки тому +1

      if the remember correctly, the xbox version was the most content rich of all its ports out there

    • @Englebert3rd
      @Englebert3rd 2 роки тому +1

      @@atul1991ful They have all the same content, apart from the PS2 version which has the save transferring to the PSP.

    • @insultobot
      @insultobot 2 роки тому +2

      @@Englebert3rd I had no idea there was PS2 and PSP save transfer, that's amazing

    • @wing0zero
      @wing0zero 2 роки тому

      @@Englebert3rd
      I think the Steam version had some stuff removed Vs the retail disc version or something like that.

    • @atul1991ful
      @atul1991ful 2 роки тому +1

      @@Englebert3rd original outrun 2 had two bonus courses that weren't included in any of the later coast 2 coast releases

  • @addy3569
    @addy3569 2 роки тому +4

    6:00 looking at the ninja gaiden gameplay it definitely looks slowed down, I know its reporting 60fps but no way thats full speed. But its cool thats running that well at all

  • @iyeetsecurity922
    @iyeetsecurity922 2 роки тому +8

    I can't wait to get my Steam Deck. I'm going to emulate _all the things!_

  • @Nailo1776
    @Nailo1776 2 роки тому +1

    Still waiting on my steamdeck and videos like this make me super excited.

  • @michaeliovani4487
    @michaeliovani4487 2 роки тому +3

    I’m happy we’re finally at a point where Xbox emulation is actually worth setting up. As far as original Halo slowing down with particle effects, the master chief collection should run fine on the steam deck and it’s unlocked frame rate.

    • @corrosivefrost
      @corrosivefrost 2 роки тому

      Came here to post a similar sentiment about Halo CE Anniversary.
      Also, Ninja Gaiden master collection is deck verified so unless you really prefer Black to Sigma, it’s another title you can just run natively without worrying about emulation.

  • @evv4198
    @evv4198 2 роки тому

    nice video, thanks for inserting the footage of (the best rally game ever created) RalliSport Challenge 2!

  • @StrangerTechnology
    @StrangerTechnology 2 роки тому +1

    I like how the MCC is listed as unsupported on deck because of EAC. But actually runs great in my experience.

    • @SenbonKaguya
      @SenbonKaguya 2 роки тому

      Splinter Cell Chaos Theory is unsupported and it runs beautifully

  • @BigBoss-kk4sr
    @BigBoss-kk4sr 2 роки тому +5

    Awsome content as always! I was wondering if you were running these games off of the internal NVMe or the SD expansion slot? I doubt there would be a change in perfomance due to orignally running at DVD speeds?

  • @jangelelcangry
    @jangelelcangry 2 роки тому +7

    It boggles my mind how a PC can Run switch and some PS3 games @4K60 but struggles to emulate a PIII console.

  • @DeckWizard
    @DeckWizard 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome to finally see someone else trying OG Xbox Emulation on the Steam Deck.
    If you need excellent performing 360 titles for the Deck, check out my Xbox 360 playlist. Looking forward to the next one!

  • @IanDeQuadros
    @IanDeQuadros 2 роки тому +2

    Nice! I will say that if you want to play Outrun 2006, the pc version runs REALLY well on the steam deck via Proton.

  • @evv4198
    @evv4198 2 роки тому

    VERY GLAD YOU TRIED RALLISPORT CHALLENGE 2! THANKS

  • @AMDGBananaBen
    @AMDGBananaBen 5 місяців тому

    The timing is so funny, just started delving into Xbox emulation via Xemu as of last night!
    So impressed how well they work on average =D
    Messing around with Pariah and it's mostly playable (some of the larger sections drop to 5 frames sporadically), it being smart enough to pickup your controller was also a really cool feature!

  • @over9000713
    @over9000713 2 роки тому

    0:40 i could hear the startup without actually hearing it in the video .. man i miss the era so much

  • @creativesharts
    @creativesharts 2 роки тому

    Glad you'll be doing separate emulator videos for the steam deck, can't wait til we can get them in Australia

  • @dan_loup
    @dan_loup 2 роки тому +3

    Running CXBX-reloaded on linux is quite a surreal thing internally, because both CXBX and wine are API translators so you get a chain of Xbox api->Windows-api->Linux-api translation. but it works, and quite well somehow

  • @MarkSynthesis
    @MarkSynthesis 2 роки тому +5

    Other people have pointed this out, but it probably boils down to how your video capture works, or even just how the Steam Deck's screen works, but none of the 60 FPS games actually look like they're running at 60 FPS; they look much more like 30 FPS games. Still, eyeballing it over a UA-cam stream (even set to 2160p60) isn't reliable I suppose. Thank you for the investigation; it's interesting to see how this compares to DF's look at the Xbox Series S hardware compared to the Steam Deck (and as with that, it's what you'd expect--the Series S has substantially more horsepower, and is cheaper, but then again it's a small console, it's not portable, has no batteries or screen, etc.). Microsoft obviously has an advantage of having the best original Xbox emulation in town (even if it only covers less than a hundred games in the library).

    • @Chesterfried
      @Chesterfried 2 роки тому

      Yeah, it appears the emulator runs the games in a 60fps container, but the games are not actually rendering at that frame rate. He specifically said Halo was running at 60fps, but I know for certain it is a 30fps game.

    • @SenbonKaguya
      @SenbonKaguya 2 роки тому

      Ninja Gaiden Black looked like it was alright, but when I tried it out it had massive frame drops

  • @GrazHero
    @GrazHero 2 роки тому +1

    JSRF has a really annoying audio crackling bug on Xemu that makes the game unenjoyable for me. So I've been experimenting around with getting Cxbx Reloaded working well under Wine so I can play it on my Steam Deck. The hardest part so far has been figuring out which build to use, as there have been several regressions in the last few years leading to annoying bugs, but newer builds generally still run better. I'm making progress though and learning a lot in the process.

  • @kevboard
    @kevboard 2 роки тому +4

    I'm kinda confused at your claim of some games that normally have a 30fps lock running at 60fps or reaching 60fps... does Xemu just unlock the framerate? and wouldn't that introduce issues?
    i know that the Emulator readout says 60fps when you show Halo, but I would assume that this 60fps readout means that it runs at full speed, so 60hz, but not necessarily 60fps

    • @ModernVintageGamer
      @ModernVintageGamer  2 роки тому +5

      yeah this is a little misleading and I apologize. internally the emulation is running at 60, but obviously the games themselves may be capped at 30 (such as Halo). The point here is that with the emulating running at 60 it should be faithful to the way it was intended for original hardware

    • @perforongo9078
      @perforongo9078 2 роки тому +1

      In PCSX2 they'll take games that run at 30fps and double each frame so it's 60fps. Confusing, I know. Something similar could be happening here.

  • @Sarackosmo
    @Sarackosmo Рік тому +1

    I wish more people tested locked 40-50 fps when 60 was not completely stable. Plenty of people prefer stable frametimes over high unstable fps.

  • @MP-uk1yc
    @MP-uk1yc 2 роки тому +3

    Loving my Steam Deck. I have been spending a load of time actually on the Playstation emulator, runs flawless and so much fun. Plus the obvious running the PC games it was intended for is a great experience as well. Will have to give Xbox a try soon.

    • @shark6350
      @shark6350 2 роки тому

      What folder did you put the games in for the Playstation emulator. I have emudeck installed

    • @aftonstjarna4530
      @aftonstjarna4530 2 роки тому +2

      @@shark6350 If you're talking about ps1 it's the psx folder

  • @VanBurenPhilips
    @VanBurenPhilips 2 роки тому +2

    Both Jet Set Radios seem like they'd be such fun on a handheld 😍
    Personally I'm waiting patiently for Fatal Frame II (Xbox-only director's cut - the best version of one of the best horror games ever made). Wanna play it in bed and give myself nightmares! It's always been behind the pack in xbox emulation, but if it happens it'll be worth the wait.

  • @damightybenstein
    @damightybenstein 2 роки тому

    10:18 I didn't know Sega put out "Otoji 1" on the original Xbox. I guess I learn something new every day.
    10:46 Ditto, "Otoji 2".

  • @8XN72Hw_xK
    @8XN72Hw_xK 2 роки тому +1

    Oh FromSoft already had the idea of birds attacking with blades? :D

  • @mauriciobentz
    @mauriciobentz 2 роки тому

    Nice to see you back! I hope your new home is to your liking.

  • @itslegiTim
    @itslegiTim 2 роки тому +2

    Halo definetly wasnt 60fps in the Video...

  • @WHATISUTUBE
    @WHATISUTUBE 2 роки тому +2

    Ive had this for a month now. Running Odins sphere (Ps3) at 60fps. Gonna try yokyo jungle next. Mario and bowsers fury (switch) runs at 60fps. Its a powerful handheld for the time its been released in. Also tip: check protondb. Just cause valve says a game isnt supported doesnt mean it cant run. Ys 7 has a big "NO" compatibility rating but im playing it on my deck with no issues.

  • @David-ro1sb
    @David-ro1sb 2 роки тому +5

    I mean, it’s pretty clear that stuff IS NOT running at 60fps, but hey…

  • @toblerone1729
    @toblerone1729 2 роки тому +2

    1:15 Jet Set Radiooooo

  • @AutoAbsolute
    @AutoAbsolute 2 роки тому +1

    Great vid, sold my Steamdeck a few weeks ago, I realise I have very little time and if I do then I'll play on my gaming PC. Amazing bit of kit though, definitely a gen 1 product but very capable non the less.

  • @adamanteros1566
    @adamanteros1566 2 роки тому +1

    Morrowind plays great too if you grew up playing it on xbox. Only down side i could find is the water doesnt render properly in some area

  • @herbertholland924
    @herbertholland924 2 роки тому +1

    I didn't realize there was a working Emulator for XBOX. I'm going to have to try it on my PC.

    • @JoshLineberry
      @JoshLineberry 2 роки тому +1

      It sucks. A modded xbox is still by far the best way to play.

  • @RetroJack
    @RetroJack 2 роки тому

    Looking forward to the rest of this series!

  • @potatopotatopotatopotatopo8746
    @potatopotatopotatopotatopo8746 2 роки тому

    FINALLY Steam Deck content from mvg! I've waited a long time for you to finally cover this amazing device

  • @Dasaltwarrior
    @Dasaltwarrior 2 роки тому +3

    Perhaps it was a poor choice of footage, but that Ninja Gaiden gameplay definitely was not running at full speed. I've been playing it on Series S recently and the game plays MUCH faster than what was shown in the Xemu footage here

    • @camygael
      @camygael 2 роки тому

      That’s a completely different emulator

    • @Dasaltwarrior
      @Dasaltwarrior 2 роки тому

      @@camygael
      Did I mis-understand that he was using Xemu for all the Deck testing here?

    • @camygael
      @camygael 2 роки тому

      @@Dasaltwarrior Yea

  • @sbash3003
    @sbash3003 3 місяці тому

    thank you sir for your experience and dedication to the scene.
    i'm trying to emulate the o.g xbox experience, mostly for nostalgia with my son, and you are my go to source for facts

  • @trexx45
    @trexx45 2 роки тому

    A man of culture with the House of the Dead 3 on your Xbox library!

  • @oOignignoktOo1
    @oOignignoktOo1 2 роки тому +2

    Psyvariar 2 has perfect support on xemu that was probably the systems best shmup outside of the castle shikigami games.

  • @hldave
    @hldave 2 роки тому +2

    I would love to know how Wreckless runs on the Steam deck. Ninja Gaiden also looked like it was running underwater. You mentioned HL2 on the xbox, but wouldn't it run better all around on the PC version?

  • @turbobosnia666
    @turbobosnia666 2 роки тому +1

    Half-Life 2 on the Xbox already runs in the 20s on the real console, so that's definitely not an issue with the Steam Deck.

  • @maggsy404
    @maggsy404 2 роки тому +1

    "This hand held computer is practically a computer"

  • @DuDZZ
    @DuDZZ 2 роки тому +2

    This is the stuff I dreamed of as a kid. And now I wondered how long it's take for ogxbox emulation. Man I wish I could afford one 😂

  • @ProjectDv2
    @ProjectDv2 2 роки тому +1

    Every time you say "oh-toh-jee" I die a little inside. 😂

  • @Genethagenius
    @Genethagenius 2 роки тому +1

    I would love to get a Steam Deck, if they were actually available! You have a better chance of seeing a friggin Unicorn than getting a Steam Deck for retail in the next 6-9 months…

  • @magfal
    @magfal 2 роки тому

    9:40 yes! I love seeing my favorite driving game being covered.

  • @theo5675
    @theo5675 2 роки тому +1

    I play Arctic thunder and midtown madness 3 my 2 fav childhood games on steam deck and they run very well!

  • @hammersampson
    @hammersampson 2 роки тому +3

    Pretty cool, but I’m too lazy to setup all these emulators.

    • @chiarosuburekeni9325
      @chiarosuburekeni9325 2 роки тому

      I thought so too but slowly but surely curiosity takes over you. You'll start tinkering with one emulator, maybe throw a game or two on it. Eventually you'll be going balls to the wall trying to set up EVERYTHING. I've had mine for 4 days and all I need to set up is Xemu and Wii U lol.

  • @streetguru9350
    @streetguru9350 2 роки тому +1

    We're just lucky many of these games finally got PC ports. Especially something like Kingdom Under Fire

  • @slippynipz
    @slippynipz 2 роки тому +1

    I've been LOVING Xemu on Steam Deck. biggest thing is you need XMulleter to convert your ISOs into xiso. From what I've tested: X-Men Legends, TimeSplitters 2, Medal of Honor: Frontline and Ghost Recon 2 have been really well performant.
    MVG I would love you to cover the EmuDeck set up because so far it's been a great tool for front-end tile management/Steam Mod Manager. I've really found that Yuzu, RPCS3 have been the biggest issues, along with recognizing CHDs for mame (but its not a huge set up to fix this) on the Steam Deck.

    • @SRC267
      @SRC267 2 роки тому +1

      How do you get your xiso files down to a good size? All mine seem to be the same file sizes

    • @slippynipz
      @slippynipz 2 роки тому +1

      @@SRC267 They typically are between 4-7gb. For the DVD9 disc images I do not think they can be compressed much further. As for transferring them, with any usb-c or a thumb drive you should convert them to exFAT file system so you can bypass the 4GB transfer limit.

    • @SenbonKaguya
      @SenbonKaguya 2 роки тому

      That's good to hear. I tried out Genma Onimusha and only had a black screen :(

  • @Kenjitsuka
    @Kenjitsuka 2 роки тому +1

    MVG back on the regular? Awww, yeah!!! :D

  • @whykillwill1599
    @whykillwill1599 2 роки тому +26

    Finally modern vintage gamer acknowledges the steam deck.

  • @chansemorris866
    @chansemorris866 2 місяці тому

    Glad to know I wasn't messing something up I thought I just messed up something cuz Fable was completely unplayable couldn't even get through the intro movie.

  • @ToadyEN
    @ToadyEN 2 роки тому +2

    When that MVG intro music kicks in 🔥

  • @MiniBeas
    @MiniBeas 2 роки тому +1

    MVG, what games which were on the OG Xbox have not been ported to PC? We have Halo MCC, we have Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and Splinter Cell?

  • @MultiTelan
    @MultiTelan 2 роки тому

    For real? I can’t get Xbox emulation working on my frickin desktop and you got it working on the deck? Madman!