How-to clean your primary and secondary snowmobile clutches
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Cleaning your clutches helps keep your machine out of the shop. Here Rick shows us what he does to clean the clutches on an Arctic Cat Mountain Cat and explains why cleaning is vital to optimal performance.
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DISCLAIMER - Always consult your manufacturer and manual before attempting anything you see in this video. The processes on this video are solely an opinion. - Навчання та стиль
Take care of your equipment…it’ll take care of you.
It’s nice to see someone putting in the work to learn how to work on their own equipment.
Don't forget to mark your primary clutch cover to the tower with a Sharpie. That way it goes together the same way because they are balanced from the factory.
I would actually etch or stamp it, because the sharpie will come right off from the Brakleen and handling.
love the kid just chilling in the back so funny
was about to talk shit about your video but then i realized my clutch took a shit last year because i never clean it. good video man.
First you disassemble all your clutches, then you send the wife to town for beer. Once she leaves, you put everything in the dishwasher and give it a wash. Once it is done, simply empty and blow everything off with air. Then load dishwasher with dirty dishes, when wife gets home with beer explain that you loaded the dishwasher but couldn't figure out how much soap to use. Go have a cold one while she starts the dishwasher.
Brilliant 👏
I really appreciate your channel and the no nonsense approach to your tutorials.
I like the idea of letting the springs relax.
My new favorite sledding channel
super chill tutorial, much appreciated! 😎
Great Video man! I will do that with my Sportsman's clutches! Regards from Rosarito; Mexico!
Gracias!
Big thanks to you and the camera man
Great video man. Straight forward and even had bbq involved. Only complaint is that i wasnt there
Awesome, thanks for watching Daniel! If you like that vid we have plenty more on the Digit9 channel. Snoop around! 🤙
Great explanation.. thanks !
Another Awesome Video That Reminds me! I better get Cleaning!! Dang It!! So I thought I broke a Drive chain riding hard last weekend. But it looks like it's just a Bearing on the Top Gear Shaft. If I can get the Gear off... its clicking.. guess I'll have to pull the Secondary off other side.
Thank you for the video. Definitely helps me out
omg thank you for this i bought a old cat for me years ago and it has never ran right nothing but bog runs min in the air but nothing on ground looks like im rebuilding clutches and will keep in mind for new sled .
I’m in the same boat bought a 92 Prowler 440 and it starts and runs great but half way into a race it Boggs
Very helpful.
Great video. This will help me with my F7 sno pro
That's awesome. Glad we could help. Let us know if there's anything else we can make of video about and we'll get on it. Thanks for watching!
@@DIGIT9 well I'd literally PayPal you for doing a demonstration on how to pull primary and secondary or 2005 arctic cat firecat f7 efi diamond drive.
More so how to repair or what to look for in these clutches. I ask because, my F7 won't go past 66mph. Everyone is saying it's my secondary. The closest snowmobile mechanic is 6hrs from me 😒 sucks. Or if you have an email, cell, or if I get the clutches off. Could I send them to you for servicing? As you can probably tell. I NEED HELP 😉
Anything Adrenaline ok we’ll see if we can find one and let you know. Stay tuned!
You could upload a video clip of the clutches on your cat and we'll make a video tomorrow explaining the process of how to pull them.
Great video
Thanks for watching Mark and I appreciate you taking the time to leave a positive comment. Snoop around our channel for a hot minute and you'll find all kinds of treasures. Make sure to subscribe and hit that little bell notification too! We publish maybe 2-3 new vids a month. Welcome aboard man!
Nice vid!
I hate to admit I never touch my clutches ever. Never had a failure. 03 f7 6500 miles, 08 f1000 8500 miles, 12 1100 turbo 10000 miles, I’ve never even blew em out!!
I know you said this a year ago but did you ever have performance issues? I got 5500ish miles on my sled and I've got huge performance issues did jetting track and chain case and I know the clutch is wore out because I can see with my own eyes between the spider and the button, but I don't know if the secondary is bad, but thats a lot of miles with no clutching.
That's impressive! Dang
Hello. Thanks for the video. 👍 Any chance you can tell where I can find a replacement for the needle braring on the cluch shaft please?.
I just bought a 2008 F1000 snopro, dont have a maintenance manual, I'm wondering if there's a video out there on changing chain oil and checking chain.
A air Compressor goes well as well
A pipe wrench in your hitch receiver works for a vise
excellent use of the word schmegma
Another solid vid!
I have a 13 pro rmk, a team clutch as wel would this be exactly the same?
Thanks,
Gavin
Close but the Team on the Cat has a different spring/Helix system and the Cat primary and Polaris primary are similar too
Ok, could I use acetone after brake clean?
DIGIT9
It’s my first winter riding the big boy sleds
My clutch seems to be working properly , it engages and shifts all that but makes a slight clunking sound
The sound happens at slow speed , when I engage the throttle , sometimes it doesn’t make any sound and sometimes it does a light “clunk” then engages . Same thing if I’m going fast and slow down, then stay off the throttle then when I re-engage the throttle it clunks , It’s a 2009 Polaris dragon with 1500miles
that's just your secondary helix making that noise from forward to reverse ! its normal
Man that must suck to make adjustments out on the ice. I’ll stick to my old 3 post cat secondary’s. I could swap springs in like ten mins and be back makin passes. That must take a bit longer.
Can you do a video on how to change the roller in the team clutch if it’s possible ?
You talkin the roller bearing in the primary ?
That bearing in the primary is great until it seized on me. Same thing happened to my team clutches in my wildcat. Too cold to change now without heated garage. Just run belt a little loose and no extended idle times.
I just throw my bibs and coat on and light up my little propane heater,,, does it heat the garage? No, keeps me warm though. If your busy working you don't get cold. I'm tired of everyone complaining about the cold best way I can put it is get busy living or get busy dieing, welcome to the North. Heck I usually keep a pop in the snow to stay cool and enjoy!
You should have marked the clutch cover and the spider. For balance ,when you put it back together
RICHARD maaske , they are already marked but I could have made a point of it on the video ! Thanks for the reply
Yep. And polaris clutches have a X on each casting.
@@DIGIT9 Where/how are the clutches marked? I pulled mine apart and did not mark them. I am worried I put them back together and it won't be balanced. Thank you.
Aaron W did you split the spider assembly ? What kind of clutch ?
Schmagma? Wow haven't heard that for 40 years. Haha.
Great camera work. lol
Any idea of cleaners I can buy by the gallon? Something cheaper and a little less stanky. I have several clutches I clean every year.
Good vid! Question about cleaning. I have been reading a lot of opinion on using brake cleaner to clean clutch faces/sheaves. Many are saying it’s a no-no as it leaves residue in the metal that comes out once the clutch heats up, and then causes belt slippage and breakdown of the belt material. Some people say alcohol and acetone, no brake cleaner, others use brake cleaner and say no acetone.
So many thoughts and opinions on the matter!?
Cleaning with brakecleaner is fine but do a final wipe of the shieves with Laquer thinner ! Clean/dry and no residue ! Been doing it that way for 30 yrs
Acetone is all I use after sanding the clutches
@@DIGIT9 Ever consider hosting subscribers photos of their custom sleds? Couldn't find an e-mail.
Got a question for you. Could you make a video on how to set belt deflection on theses 2018 and up cats?
100% will do a couple vids on deflection ASAP.
Dont really need to set deflection on these sleds ! The new team clutchs have kind of an auto tightener like a chain case on their belts ! Theres a roller bearing in primary that spins at idle , so they are able to keep belt super tight ! No need for adjustment !
DIGIT9 perfect, thanks for looking into this. Appreciate it.
Can you do a video on adding shims to a P85 Polaris primary clutch or point me in the direction when i can see one.Please
Not sure where to find that but thats a great idea ! I’ll put it on the list of vids to do !
Use a firm paint brush for scrubbing. Gets in tight areas way easier than a toothbrush.
So when I hit the throttle the belt won’t spin
Nice video, very helpful.. although I may need a new clutch because mine isnt disengaging all the way, want to keep squeling and creeping forward.
Right on thanks for watching Shawn. Snoop around our channel a bit because there's plenty of helpful vids on it. Thanks man.
Ok thanks, any Idea what should i check 1st on my clutch, or would know the main problem right off the bat?
Ya , check your weights , they may be binding ! We have a vid on that !
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Hi Digit9, what are your thoughts on the CVTECH PB80 clutch for a 2015 XF 8000 ? Any experience with this primary clutch? Reliability, performance, ease of maintenance or in the field weight changes, etc. is what I would like to know. Thank you in advance.
No idea , never heard of them !
Looking for a secondary clutch for my 2001 zr 600 efi. Please let me know if anyone has one
The secret to brake clean in the eyes. Keep your eyes shut for a few seconds. It evaporates and all is good . Open your eyes and ... FIRE
Any one with a fishing road
Reel can do this. For practice...
if you clean your clutches monthly lube is the way to go Polaris use to sell clutch and cable lube but it's been discontinued ( probably to sell more clutches ) 10 -12 drops per cleaning is all you need on my second bottle in 40 yrs
I use that shit on everything !
@@DIGIT9 LMFAO that old lady probably needs some lube
If I may....you want to use NONclorinated brake clean. Clorinated break clean leaves a residue.
Did you ever make the video of putting the clutches back together? I waiting for that one before I attempt the cleaning so I don't end up with a box of clutch parts....
studio.ua-cam.com/users/videoldQipYy_Yx4/edit I do explain it a bit in this vid , but if more detail is needed , please let me know !!
I’d still love to see the “how to put it all back together” video sometime.
Have you had a problem with binding of the rollers towards the tip of the helix at all?
No , I service my clutch’s after every trip , especially on the mods ! Usually that happens due to a faulty Helix or wore out rollers !
My clutch wont engage been sitting for 2 yrs, do I just maybe need to clean it? Kinda new to sleds
Mitchell Butram its just stuck , but a good cleaning wouldnt hurt
@@DIGIT9 How do you get it unstuck? I was going to take it apart and clean it figuring the teardown would free it up
Take the outside cover off , releases the tension on spring , can be done on the sled or best is to take it off ! NEVER use Emery cloth , too abrasive , use the red scotchbrite pads or very fine steel wool to clean surfaces !
Do you have the dimensions for the tool that you use on the clutch? Rod size, length and the u-bolt section?
I have two bearcats, 2007/13. Just turned 5k on the 2007 and 16k on the 13.
The clutches are (your case were) balanced, you need to mark them first.
Started pulling clutches off my 2010 Rush Pro R for the first time today. I noticed the secondary had a little slide side to side about 1/8th inch on the shaft. Is that normal? almost like it is missing a washer. No wobble on the shaft.
That is a Polaris thing ! Perfectly normal ! Belt last longer that way !
@@DIGIT9 phew. Thanks for all the great content
Good morning, question for you. Can you take the primary cover off while the clutch is on the sled without taking the bolt off? Thanks
Absolutely ! Theres tension on face cover , slowly unscrew the bolts each , a little at a time , so make sure it comes off evenly , so not to strip or break a bolt ! DO NOT USE A IMPACT ! Hold face plate with hand or a c-clamp !
@@DIGIT9 thank you
Ever considered a dry lube like a little graphite for the two rollers?
No , never tried it !
Can I use simple green and water to wash the clutch, then blow everything out with air?
Simple green is not strong enough , but give it a try !
How do you get the primary back together without a clutch press?
Use your knee on the ground or mat !
Should the secundary shieves be mounted in a special way like the primary with the 2 x under and Over eachother? I just Think if they are balanced together?
It only makes sense right !! But the only ones that have timing marks , as far as I know , are the newer Team Secondary’s and the Paragon Secondary’s , most of the older stuff didnt have any ! Guess they thought they couldnt spin them fast enough ??
You can get those balanced by a machine shop , then they will have timing marks !!
DIGIT9 I have a 17 mountain cat so it dosent have timing marks but it needs to be timed right, seems strange?
The rollers only go in one way , doesnt matter where shieves go !
If you marked them before you took it apart , then put it back together same way !!
Have you made the video about putting the clutches back together yet?
Not yet ! Its on the list !
I removed the primary from my rev went to pick it up and the part closer to motor came part from the outside of clutch. Is there a certain way to put it back together?
Yes , there should be a little notch on shieve closest to engine , line that up with the arrow on outside cover !
@@DIGIT9 thanks alot.
I’d recommend a Polaris or ski doo
When it comes to the secondary. Do the sheaves need tk be put back on a certain way?
The secondary sheaves have timing marks as well , most do anyway , but wouldnt hurt to mark them and put them back the way they were !
@@DIGIT9 that’s what I did before cleaning. Marked with a paint maker. Then gave the sheave surfaces a good clean. Purchased the sled used with just over 1k for miles. Secondary just seemed off to begin with. Not super familiar with the boss secondary’s. Threw me off when I pulled the bolt and only one sheave came off lol.
Thats a TEAM Secondary , bit different animal ! They can only go back together one way but still good to mark the sheaves with a centre punch or something !
I have a 1997 AC z440. New to cleaning clutches but do I need to mark them before tearing them apart?
Never a bad idea
Thx👍🏼Any advice or alternative methods for getting the secondary apart without that tool?
That should be old fashion secondary , no tool required
Send a pic if you can
Yeah, there were 3 nuts on top that I slowly took apart with small turns and it came apart pretty easily. Although after cleaning and going to put it back on, some metal bar cam out of the clutch. I’m assuming it goes into the groove of the inside of the clutch to be the male end for the shaft so it doesn’t freely spin on the shaft. I put it back in and got it back on the shaft. It grabs and wants to turn the track so I assume this is good to go. Or no?
Would these steps be the same for a 2009 M8? Thanks
Yes it would but I highly recommend getting a Cat dealer to loosen spider so you can clean the roller bearing on the main shaft ! Its super tight
@@DIGIT9 thank you!
Take those 3 bolts off the helix with out that tool see what happens lol... love your sleds !!!
Oh Oh , ouch
You don't have to remove the clutch from the sled to do this
Bill Tedford Cannot find your video on putting your cat clutches back together.
They go back together same way as a Polaris primary !
Secondarys are a bit different , dont think we have a vid on that one , but will add it to the list !
@@DIGIT9 Thank you. I agree with everyone to file a small mark on both sheaves to be sure they go back the same way. Does it matter with the weights? 2019 Pantera 7000 LTD that I tour all over northern On, Quebec and heading for New Brunswick this winter. Have about 6000 miles (not km) on her. Always blow the clutches with compressed air when I return but have never taken them apart. Always worked perfect. Never blown a belt on this Yamacat. I guess over my 60 years of sledding I have put more than 50,000 miles and have never blown a clutch and have ridden them all. However, they all break at some point. I enjoy your videos. Well done.
You sure it good to spray the center bearing with brake clean ?
doesn't hurt, gets some bely dust out of there , then I blow it out with air ! 6000 km no issues with clutchs
Hey Rick why does my cat always break spiders? Last one only made 4 rides, one before that was like 8 rides. Kingcat bigbore.
Thanks
Not sure ? you using stock Cat ones or Machined from STM ?, You also may be missing a shim in clutch , putting extreme pressure on the Spider !!
@@DIGIT9
It did it to 2 of them in a row, second one was all new everything.
Really tough to diagnose without seeing it in action !
Got the right belt ? Balanced your weights lately ?
@@DIGIT9
Could it be a crank issue?
Is that about the same on Polaris clutch 🤔
Identical yup !
Is there a certain mileage I should be doing this at or is this a yearly item?
I do my mod sleds after every trip , and my stock sled about 4-5 times per season ! But if you blow your clutch’s out with compressed air after every trip or once a week , it will prolong the cleaning procedure !!
DIGIT9 Wow! I’m way behind. Just got into snowmobiling last year. I had no idea. Thanks for the heads up. 👍🏻
I need some help , I stripped the threads inside my clutch to pull it off .....what do I do now?????
Well , if it needs to come off , then you will have to zip cut it off , but if you just want to clean it , then take it apart on the sled , clean parts and put back together !
@@DIGIT9 what's a zip cut
Cut off wheel on a grinder !
@@DIGIT9 I went and grabbed a 3/4 16 tap and a new clutch puller and it worked!!! Thanks for answering me back.... I subscribed
Wow , your lucky !
Throw a bearing in your clutch compressor tool instead of a washer. . Spin off way easier.
I dry lube my clutch assemblies so they have something to minimize the wear.
I've never heard of removing the springs. Interesting thought... I could see it if they were in compressed position all the time, but I see them like the valve springs in your truck engine, and you'll never remove them for storage, and some of them will stay compressed for a long time. They're made of a material that's designed to be stressed. I suppose that's why I've never seen them removed for storage...
That's because it's repeated compressing and extending that wears out springs. Being compressed for extended periods of time does not.
@@tbowers581 with good quality, sure. Heat does damage as well as quicker repetition, eg, higher rpm...
I don't think it is a practice I will engage in.
How much for the homemade tool
Think it cost me $15 bucks
How do I get or buy that tool from you
OMG Joe, we literally just shot a video YESTERDAY on an easy DIY way to make that tool. Super easy. You in a hurry?
As promised Joe: ua-cam.com/video/jyRtEKL_OKs/v-deo.html
No need tare it all apart unless weights are sticking or spring binding, all you need to do is take sand paper and scrub all surface that the belt rubs on after you scrub it with sand paper take asatone on a cloth and wipe it down. Never use scotch bright as he did little fiber fall off and ruin the clutch bushings
What about the sand from the sand paper getting into the bushings and wrecking them? Scotchbright is fine, just clean it all after.
@@mendomotox1569 I've been told this from d&d and many other pro racers. scotch bright is a no no
Waylon Thompson wiring for 1998 touring 500sle
what about 3mm emery cloth sand paper stage 1 too clean clutches
you didn't mark the outer and inner covers, they are a balanced unit..... hope it doesn't throw your crank bearings out
Or you could just put them in the dishwasher...
I pre clean them in the dishwasher first then take them apart and do everything the video guy said.
Am I the only one that kept looking at the kid in the back
My nephew! Just mowing down a bag of cheezies...LOL. He wanted to be on Digit9 so badly - so here's his debut: ua-cam.com/video/k58etnhnPNg/v-deo.html
That brand of brake cleaner and carb cleaner is no good. Parts master is the better brand. 👌
A good rule of thumb is if it doesn't burn when you get it on your hands/fingers when your skin has cracks or any cuts on them the cleaner is no good. Lol.
Took me 10 seconds to know it’s a god damned French Canadian show..
Took me a millisecond to know that you're dead wrong. Kyle.
DIGIT9 so what is it then...definitely Canadian ...
Western Canada it is. French it is not.
All that smegma lmao
the cleanner cant be a petroleum based
why?
@@felixisiah9054 im not sure why my self i was told it had somthing to do with the belt
Ever heard of rubber gloves? Your clutches will be fine, you may need new hands way before their due date.
He doesnt need rubber gloves! Lol Thats called having MAN hands! I never use gloves, and my hands are tough as hell. 🍻
And of course I'm sure you recommend some Midol to go along with the gloves.
Gloves? You mean btch mittens?
Hey man don’t forget to put on gloved doing this u really should
You are 100% right about that. And a mask. This vid is a PPE fail.
No
OK cool. I'll get that video up asap.
yep a video of how not to do it.....
Dude........wear gloves !!!
Owning a cat you spend more time working on it then you do riding it