I prefer Jung's version of dream analysis over Freud's version because I also agree that symbols are very important in dreams. As Jungian therapy is very abstract, I would be cautious treating clients using this theoretical framework with clients who are concrete in thought processing. I also believe that all symptoms have a useful component and should be considered in clients.
one error there is the nature of the shadow. the shadow contains elements the ego is unwilling/unable to integrate. they can be either positive or negative, not just negative. thus you can have shadow figures in your dream that are very helpful. e.g. a timid person can have an assertive shadow. in therapy, integrating those unacknowledged positive traits is just as important as become aware and owning up to the negative shadow aspects. jordan peterson--who pushes jungian ideas but is not a jungian himself (nor has he submitted to a jungian analysis himself) makes the same error.
What I find most fascinating about Jungian Therapy is the abstractedness and complexity of the theory. I can see how this kind of therapy could be beneficial for a specific set of clients, however it is understandable how this theory would be far too difficult for every day practical application. Additionally, one would need extensive training to accurately utilize this modality of therapy.
I really appreciate how Dr. Grande explained the differences between Frued and Jung in regards to the ego and the conscious mind. I find it interesting how theorists like Jung develop their own theory based on the works of those before them. Freud and Jung theories had many differences; however, the idea for the development of personality remained the same in my opinion.
I didn't realize I was doing self Jungian Therapy and catharsis through music, art, poetry, religion, spirituality, philosophy, and talking deeply with one of my family members. The therapists I have talked with are so robotic, unsatisfactory, disconnected, and cost money. But I am able to help myself for free through a variety of techniques. It feels so wonderful to relieve all those baggage and trash I thought I never had :)
A very useful summary. It must have been quite a challenge to present so concisely and clearly the material over which most so-called experts tend to get inscrutably vague. Thank you, Dr. Grande!
Excellent explanation Dr. Grande! I am actually very fond of Carl Jung’s work and I never knew the reason why he “broke off” from Freud. I truly enjoyed your explanation. Since psychology is not my area of expertise/profession but rather a personal interest, it’s difficult to identify credible sources of information. I am glad I found your channel. Your work is deeply appreciated Dr. Grande!
A wonderful, clear account of the main points of Jungian psychology. I particularly liked the comparing and contrasting with Freud, and learned a great deal from it. Thx for sharing.
The comparison and contrast of Jungian and Freudian theory within the contents of this video was concrete and easy to follow. It expresses the need for a foundation on which to build theory and knowledge that at times may challenge that foundation for necessary growth. However, no matter the plight of that challenge, the foundation remains core to the existence of that change, therefore never becoming truly obsolete. As stated in the video much of the terminology and framework for Analytic psychology stemmed from Jung's teachings from Freud. What I did find particularly interesting about Jung's theory was the conceptualization of the collective unconsciousness, archetypes, and symbols. All three of these concepts can be tied to the movie Avatar. The Na'vi people are connected not only by knowledge by a "hometree" from which they can collectively or individually see their world in a common way. The Na'vi people are able to download and upload information generationally which can be experienced through thought, feeling, and reaction to differences and commonalities to their environment. There is also the presence of at least one archetype such as the self which is an important part of the character in the Na'vi people. There is also much symbolism in the movie regarding spirituality and the "hometree". I wonder if the movie was possibly based on the theory of Jung in many ways. This association is also a great way for me to remember the essence of Analytic therapy.
I found it helpful to have a comparison between the beliefs of Freud and Jung, specifically their different beliefs on the collective unconscious. It is understandable that Jung's techniques, specifically dream analysis, can be complex and difficult for counselors to utilize with clients. I liked how Dr. Grande explained the use of this theory to understand meaning and purpose of life.
Dr. Grande. Thanks for noting the difference between psychoanalytic and analytic theories. It is interesting how Jung used the basis of Freud's theory and paved his own way. The archetypes and their correlation to our history are very interesting. That is a concept I had not given much thought to prior to watching this video. I am also surprised to hear that jungian therapy is essentially a stand alone therapy, in that some counselors solely practice jungian therapy. Thanks for the information!
This is a theory that is complex I would be curious to see how practicing therapist integrated it with other modalities. The concept of archetypes, being able to associate a pattern or symbol to a specific behavior is intriguing.
Jung and Freud had some similar views and yet ended up being in stark contrast to one another in many ways. Jung, believing in Archetypes and delved more into dreams whereas Freud saw them as something someone may be hiding and something that needed to be figured out. I find it interesting that the two worked together for some time and then ended up having different views which forced them to separate. Perhaps if alive today, they would be able to understand each other's differences and not and be more understanding of each other's views. These two theorists is something that I will need to delve more into them to gain a better understanding of their differences and how they applied these therapies to clients.
Wow - you even cover Jung!! I read his autobiography, which i absolutely love, but i really didn't know much about his therapeutic style. Some parts of it (ego) i find relevant, but others i don't - as you say it's more philosophical. The idea of the collective unconscious is very interesting and the personal unconscious is quite relevant. One of the few ideas i agree with which is Freudian, is the subconscious, which he called the pre-conscious (slightly different meaning). gosh, so many theories, so many people - that means that clients can find a therapy which works for them specifically. Unfortunately, most people have no idea there is a choice.
Analytic therapy compared to many other therapies are very similar in terms of the words that are given but are different in the definitions. A difference indicated is the difference between Jung’s definition of Ego, which is the wat in which one views themselves as well as self-regulating, where as Freud viewed the Ego as a mediator essentially between what we want and what we need. This was a great comparison between how Jung views consciousness (in terms of levels) versus the way Freud views consciousness. I personally enjoy dream analysis understanding in terms of Jung’s views instead of Freud’s. Jung focuses more clearly on the symbols within a dream as well as the interpretation of such symbols. On the other hand, Freud tends to focus on the unconscious and inappropriate urges that the individual has. Jung’s theory resonates with me on a personal level as I tend to analyze my own dreams, attempt to figure out symbols as well as their meanings.
A good concise explanation of Jungian Theory. I particularly identified with the use of the word "mystic" in the description. I agree that this therapy modality is antiquated but that does not negate the power of the ideas within. It is, in my opinion, a therapy that could be useful for higher functioning individuals searching to explore their own psychology in the quest for higher meaning. In that sense, I would venture to say that it is more of a philosophy than a type of mental health therapy. Nonetheless, components of Jungian therapy can prove helpful in getting at the root of mental health issues such as life satisfaction or understanding one's way of being in the world (let's not forget Jung's enormous contribution to personality theory) but not necessarily mental health illnesses. The archetypes in dreams is a unique component that which one may not fully subscribe to, may be used to provoke thoughtful introspection in clients.
Jill Beck I agree that this type of therapy would be helpful for higher functioning clients or clients who prefer abstract thinking. I like Jungian therapy and hope that the mystical symbols and archetypes don't steer therapists away from the benefits Jungian therapy has to offer.
This is a good video in explaning the overall picture of Analytic therapy and also how it differs from Freuds views. What was surprising was finding out that this theory does not work well with others, for the most part. It was also interesting to hear that there are some clinicians who only use this therapy. I feel that it is good to be a master at your theory but makes me wonder if that is really beneficial for the client, to only supply one set of guidelines so to speak than having a bag of guidelines. Especially since not everyone handles the same situations in the same manner.
I agree that Jungian therapy is better suited to work with a client on discussing their purpose and meaning in life. I liked that he believes that Jungian therapy would be more beneficial alongside of other approaches.
Carl Jung was such a great guy or at least thats how he appeared in the book ''memories dreams reflections''. That book is available on audible for those who prefer books that way, its narrator did a great job and the book is most enjoyable. It is especially enjoyable if you feel like you need a more fresh perspective on things, listening to that audio book felt like being a north korean listening to western radio.
When i was listening to Jung's theory, His theory reminded me of Indians Jones movie i watched a few decades ago. Forgot movie story. Just impression Interesting therapy theory. Thanks for your sharing !!@ Not boring. Creative !
I quite like how you describe Jung, you are not taking the easy way/derogatory way out which is commendable. Jung perceived the ego as the center of consciousness, the dynamism of self regulating he attributed to the Self. And he considered that which is the way in which you see yourself not as the ego but as the Persona. There is some confusion about the archetype. The archetype is a collective fundamental aspect of the Human species, it constitutes behavioral patterns which can be expressed in instincts as well as in religious/mythological imagery. Jung considered that there is a two sides to a coin relationship between instincts and mythological symbolism. I like that you point out the importance of the relatedness between the ego and the Self (Edinger wrote a book on that "The Ego and the Archetype") The Self is the self regulating dynamism of the collective unconscious that tries to make sure that our fundamental aspects of existence are balanced, as the ego after all is a temporal aspect of our existence which in the end has to align itself to some degree with the species element of our existence, the eternal aspect of our existence which reaches back hundred of thousands of years or even further. The conscious ego, influenced by personal attitudes , cultural/religious norms etc can veer off from that balance and create neurotic disturbances. The symbolic interpretation of dreams and of ones reality brings release to the overly materialistic worldview we moderns hold. Symbols are socially not accepted in our collective world view but they have a compensating grip on us which we at the same time are not able to let go of. We can attribute a lot of modern day disturbances to the lack of symbolic interpretation of life. Symbols are a connecting principle withe eternity. Symbols take the load off our temporal shoulders and connect us with our ancestors as some native tribes would have described it. Ancestors being another word for connection to eternal/ human species elements, aspects of ourselves that do not operate within space and time as we perceive it. Jungian therapy is in fact very much related to treating depression and anxiety, the biggest problem with Jungian therapy is that the application of it requires a level of personal individuation which is rarely found in therapists. It is comparable to Newtonian physics versus quantum physics, Newtonian physics is encapsulated, the laws are describable and fixed, while quantum physics is forever impacted by the ever smaller or larger fundamental aspect of existence. There is no bottom to it, that's why many therapists won't even touch it because they end up confusing themselves as well as their clients more than what its worth. Thats when they usually ascribe derogatory terms to Jung simply because they can't master it. He didn't say that the Ego was trying to tell the individual that something was off, it was the Self that was trying to relay that to the ego in symbolic language. You come to the chicken or the egg question when you say "Some symptoms are caused by environmental influences and are therefore not subject to Jungs analysis, the question then arises at what point does the environment become psyche and vice versa, this gets into very deep areas which are not accessible to us and henceforth we end up using the chemical hammer (Drugs) rather than true understanding, because truth or meaningful interpretation, just isn't accessible on those levels. The depressions that sincere therapists of course end up facing (most therapists try their best to not let their value perception/feelings, get involved) is that in by far the most cases, their therapies ( usually simple behavioral methods), just don't work, they may work for the short term but almost always fail in the long term, Drugs are used to pretty much shut up the disturbance which of course is a cover for the symptom and not a cure.
I learned a very interesting version of this that combined Freud and Jung's models of the unconscious and took MBTI and worked it back into Jung's original conception of it, focusing on cognitive functions and rejecting the idea of it being a dichotomy like the big 5.
The best metaphor for the collective subconscious I found is spiders ability to build a web without being taught. Collective consciousness whether through genetic memory or biologically driven it is Inside of all humans.
Since discovering the writings of Dr. Jung, I began to discover words previously unheard of, but which seemed as though previously discovered …such as from within a previous universe: consecutivity, subsituation, substractive, exis, exounding, experiential communication, environmental communication, emotional environment OR experiential environment, individualized, emotionality, momentary, (gravity of retrospect), ergo, diagressive, dimedial, digress (of emphasis), recession, diagregate, substration, indistance, aspect mythology???
Jungian therapists worldwide treat the full scale of psychological disorders, depression, anxiety, personality disorders, schizophrenia, bipolar, etc. It's not limited to a philosophy of life. It's unfortunately quite common for psychologists to graduate with a very shaky understanding of the depth psychologies. The university programs focus understandably on the more easily commercialized cognitive-behavioral techniques. And certified practitioners of both Freudian and Jungian psychology have to do years of analysis of their own unconscious processes in order to qualify to work with clients using those techniques, in order to better differentiate their own psychological issues from their clients. That is in addition to all the ordinary academic work needed for licencing. The danger of clinical psychologists using Jungian ideas without having undergone the years of intensive analysis themselves is that they won't know enough about their own unconscious motivations, processes and blind spots so they will be less likely to see their clients apart from their own projections. Jordan Peterson is a case in point.
I am a very concrete dealing with the tangibles type of man. But Jung really clicks with me for some reason. The outer world and the inner world, like walking a tightrope to keep the 2 worlds balanced.
Thank you for the clarification on the main division between Freud and Jung, the collective unconscious. The theories differ in meanings of the ego, conscious, and unconscious. The idea of the ego mediating versus self-regulating is thought provoking. The concepts of Analytic Therapy do seem more complex. Jung's concept of the collective unconscious is shared, but the predisposition to inherit Archetypes is inherited across generations. The term of the Persona is widely used compared to the many stated Archetypes. If my understanding is correct, the goals of Analytic Therapy are for the ego to relate to the Self (wholeness) and integration of the personal unconscious to the collective unconscious. Freud's and Jung's different view of dreams as interpretation of hidden meaning versus interpretation of symbols is also interesting. I imagine that a great deal of training is necessary to understand the concepts in order to utilize the techniques. The modality is definitely abstract and I can see how the philosophy, similar to Existentialism, is useful in exploring values, as you state.
Analytical Psychotherapy does not use Free Association, but more on amplification or circumambulating around particular a image/symbol…it differs than free association….
On a personal note, I had it highly skilled psychotherapist who used Jungian concepts to treat my trauma and PD. I have more to say, but I’m on my way to class. Thank you and more videos on Jung please!
Question: As I'm looking to begin counselling (again), and hoping to find a competent Jungian therapist in my area, are there any signs I should be looking for that might help to tell me if my therapist is competent or incompetent to apply Jungian therapy? After all, anyone can call themselves anything.
For someone who does analytical psychotherapy needs to be willing to be open mind and learn many cultures, traditions, symbols, mythic figures, mythology, fairy tales, images, history, philosophy, , anthropology, archaelogy, religions not only one but world religions, and so on….it would be helpful too if someone knows and learns about alchemy….as one can analyze archetypes based on these body of higher knowledge…
Thank you so much for sharing insight into Analytical Therapy and Carl Jung’s practice. I wish I knew about this earlier in life as this type of therapy suites me perfectly. I look forward to getting educated to the point oof actually practicing Analytical therapy in the very near future. What would you suggest is a preferred institution to start with...local and or international? Thanks again! livewellexploreoften.com
I found the comparison omg Freudian and Jungian therapies to be helpful. I’m sure Jungian therapy can be helpful to anyone who may be dealing with life changes that are out of their control, but I think it can be specifically helpful to adolescents who are trying to figure out their purpose in life. Whether it be them dealing with the pressures of trying to do what their parents want them to do versus what they really want to do in their life.this may be challenging when presented to clients of different cultural backgrounds as well.
I wish I had you as a professor. Schools need teachers like you. You make these complicated topics so easy to understand. Ty!!!
I prefer Jung's version of dream analysis over Freud's version because I also agree that symbols are very important in dreams. As Jungian therapy is very abstract, I would be cautious treating clients using this theoretical framework with clients who are concrete in thought processing. I also believe that all symptoms have a useful component and should be considered in clients.
one error there is the nature of the shadow. the shadow contains elements the ego is unwilling/unable to integrate. they can be either positive or negative, not just negative. thus you can have shadow figures in your dream that are very helpful. e.g. a timid person can have an assertive shadow. in therapy, integrating those unacknowledged positive traits is just as important as become aware and owning up to the negative shadow aspects. jordan peterson--who pushes jungian ideas but is not a jungian himself (nor has he submitted to a jungian analysis himself) makes the same error.
What I find most fascinating about Jungian Therapy is the abstractedness and complexity of the theory. I can see how this kind of therapy could be beneficial for a specific set of clients, however it is understandable how this theory would be far too difficult for every day practical application. Additionally, one would need extensive training to accurately utilize this modality of therapy.
I really appreciate how Dr. Grande explained the differences between Frued and Jung in regards to the ego and the conscious mind. I find it interesting how theorists like Jung develop their own theory based on the works of those before them. Freud and Jung theories had many differences; however, the idea for the development of personality remained the same in my opinion.
I didn't realize I was doing self Jungian Therapy and catharsis through music, art, poetry, religion, spirituality, philosophy, and talking deeply with one of my family members. The therapists I have talked with are so robotic, unsatisfactory, disconnected, and cost money. But I am able to help myself for free through a variety of techniques. It feels so wonderful to relieve all those baggage and trash I thought I never had :)
A very useful summary. It must have been quite a challenge to present so concisely and clearly the material over which most so-called experts tend to get inscrutably vague. Thank you, Dr. Grande!
You're welcome!
Excellent explanation Dr. Grande!
I am actually very fond of Carl Jung’s work and I never knew the reason why he “broke off” from Freud. I truly enjoyed your explanation. Since psychology is not my area of expertise/profession but rather a personal interest, it’s difficult to identify credible sources of information. I am glad I found your channel.
Your work is deeply appreciated Dr. Grande!
Great video and explanation. I like that Dr.Grande really broke down where Freud and Jung differed in their thinking.
I know a bit about Freud and Jung theories but learned several items from your video. Thank you.
You're welcome!
A wonderful, clear account of the main points of Jungian psychology. I particularly liked the comparing and contrasting with Freud, and learned a great deal from it. Thx for sharing.
The comparison and contrast of Jungian and Freudian theory within the contents of this video was concrete and easy to follow. It expresses the need for a foundation on which to build theory and knowledge that at times may challenge that foundation for necessary growth. However, no matter the plight of that challenge, the foundation remains core to the existence of that change, therefore never becoming truly obsolete. As stated in the video much of the terminology and framework for Analytic psychology stemmed from Jung's teachings from Freud. What I did find particularly interesting about Jung's theory was the conceptualization of the collective unconsciousness, archetypes, and symbols. All three of these concepts can be tied to the movie Avatar. The Na'vi people are connected not only by knowledge by a "hometree" from which they can collectively or individually see their world in a common way. The Na'vi people are able to download and upload information generationally which can be experienced through thought, feeling, and reaction to differences and commonalities to their environment. There is also the presence of at least one archetype such as the self which is an important part of the character in the Na'vi people. There is also much symbolism in the movie regarding spirituality and the "hometree". I wonder if the movie was possibly based on the theory of Jung in many ways. This association is also a great way for me to remember the essence of Analytic therapy.
Jung is absolutely fascinating.
Could you consider doing a video on the Myers Briggs? I’m curious what you think about it.
Carl Jung, Psychogical Types - General description of the types. From the horses mouth.
I found it helpful to have a comparison between the beliefs of Freud and Jung, specifically their different beliefs on the collective unconscious. It is understandable that Jung's techniques, specifically dream analysis, can be complex and difficult for counselors to utilize with clients. I liked how Dr. Grande explained the use of this theory to understand meaning and purpose of life.
Dr. Grande. Thanks for noting the difference between psychoanalytic and analytic theories. It is interesting how Jung used the basis of Freud's theory and paved his own way. The archetypes and their correlation to our history are very interesting. That is a concept I had not given much thought to prior to watching this video. I am also surprised to hear that jungian therapy is essentially a stand alone therapy, in that some counselors solely practice jungian therapy. Thanks for the information!
This is a theory that is complex I would be curious to see
how practicing therapist integrated it with other modalities. The concept of archetypes,
being able to associate a pattern or symbol to a specific behavior is intriguing.
Great explanation of Analytic Therapy!
Jung and Freud had some similar views and yet ended up being in stark contrast to one another in many ways. Jung, believing in Archetypes and delved more into dreams whereas Freud saw them as something someone may be hiding and something that needed to be figured out. I find it interesting that the two worked together for some time and then ended up having different views which forced them to separate. Perhaps if alive today, they would be able to understand each other's differences and not and be more understanding of each other's views. These two theorists is something that I will need to delve more into them to gain a better understanding of their differences and how they applied these therapies to clients.
Wow - you even cover Jung!! I read his autobiography, which i absolutely love, but i really didn't know much about his therapeutic style. Some parts of it (ego) i find relevant, but others i don't - as you say it's more philosophical. The idea of the collective unconscious is very interesting and the personal unconscious is quite relevant. One of the few ideas i agree with which is Freudian, is the subconscious, which he called the pre-conscious (slightly different meaning).
gosh, so many theories, so many people - that means that clients can find a therapy which works for them specifically. Unfortunately, most people have no idea there is a choice.
Analytic therapy compared to many other therapies are very similar in terms of the words that are given but are different in the definitions. A difference indicated is the difference between Jung’s definition of Ego, which is the wat in which one views themselves as well as self-regulating, where as Freud viewed the Ego as a mediator essentially between what we want and what we need. This was a great comparison between how Jung views consciousness (in terms of levels) versus the way Freud views consciousness. I personally enjoy dream analysis understanding in terms of Jung’s views instead of Freud’s. Jung focuses more clearly on the symbols within a dream as well as the interpretation of such symbols. On the other hand, Freud tends to focus on the unconscious and inappropriate urges that the individual has. Jung’s theory resonates with me on a personal level as I tend to analyze my own dreams, attempt to figure out symbols as well as their meanings.
I was near bashing my head against the wall reading my textbook. Thank you so so much for this. Why can’t the writers just talk like humans???
A good concise explanation of Jungian Theory. I particularly identified with the use of the word "mystic" in the description. I agree that this therapy modality is antiquated but that does not negate the power of the ideas within. It is, in my opinion, a therapy that could be useful for higher functioning individuals searching to explore their own psychology in the quest for higher meaning. In that sense, I would venture to say that it is more of a philosophy than a type of mental health therapy. Nonetheless, components of Jungian therapy can prove helpful in getting at the root of mental health issues such as life satisfaction or understanding one's way of being in the world (let's not forget Jung's enormous contribution to personality theory) but not necessarily mental health illnesses. The archetypes in dreams is a unique component that which one may not fully subscribe to, may be used to provoke thoughtful introspection in clients.
Jill Beck I agree that this type of therapy would be helpful for higher functioning clients or clients who prefer abstract thinking. I like Jungian therapy and hope that the mystical symbols and archetypes don't steer therapists away from the benefits Jungian therapy has to offer.
Thank you for you concise summaries of these theories, they're definitely useful for my EPPP study!
You're welcome!
This is a good video in explaning the overall picture of Analytic therapy and also how it differs from Freuds views. What was surprising was finding out that this theory does not work well with others, for the most part. It was also interesting to hear that there are some clinicians who only use this therapy. I feel that it is good to be a master at your theory but makes me wonder if that is really beneficial for the client, to only supply one set of guidelines so to speak than having a bag of guidelines. Especially since not everyone handles the same situations in the same manner.
I agree that Jungian therapy is better suited to work with a client on discussing their purpose and meaning in life. I liked that he believes that Jungian therapy would be more beneficial alongside of other approaches.
Carl Jung was such a great guy or at least thats how he appeared in the book ''memories dreams reflections''. That book is available on audible for those who prefer books that way, its narrator did a great job and the book is most enjoyable. It is especially enjoyable if you feel like you need a more fresh perspective on things, listening to that audio book felt like being a north korean listening to western radio.
When i was listening to Jung's theory,
His theory reminded me of Indians Jones movie i watched a few decades ago.
Forgot movie story.
Just impression
Interesting therapy theory.
Thanks for your sharing !!@
Not boring.
Creative !
I quite like how you describe Jung, you are not taking the easy way/derogatory way out which is commendable. Jung perceived the ego as the center of consciousness, the dynamism of self regulating he attributed to the Self. And he considered that which is the way in which you see yourself not as the ego but as the Persona. There is some confusion about the archetype. The archetype is a collective fundamental aspect of the Human species, it constitutes behavioral patterns which can be expressed in instincts as well as in religious/mythological imagery. Jung considered that there is a two sides to a coin relationship between instincts and mythological symbolism. I like that you point out the importance of the relatedness between the ego and the Self (Edinger wrote a book on that "The Ego and the Archetype") The Self is the self regulating dynamism of the collective unconscious that tries to make sure that our fundamental aspects of existence are balanced, as the ego after all is a temporal aspect of our existence which in the end has to align itself to some degree with the species element of our existence, the eternal aspect of our existence which reaches back hundred of thousands of years or even further.
The conscious ego, influenced by personal attitudes , cultural/religious norms etc can veer off from that balance and create neurotic disturbances. The symbolic interpretation of dreams and of ones reality brings release to the overly materialistic worldview we moderns hold. Symbols are socially not accepted in our collective world view but they have a compensating grip on us which we at the same time are not able to let go of. We can attribute a lot of modern day disturbances to the lack of symbolic interpretation of life. Symbols are a connecting principle withe eternity. Symbols take the load off our temporal shoulders and connect us with our ancestors as some native tribes would have described it. Ancestors being another word for connection to eternal/ human species elements, aspects of ourselves that do not operate within space and time as we perceive it.
Jungian therapy is in fact very much related to treating depression and anxiety, the biggest problem with Jungian therapy is that the application of it requires a level of personal individuation which is rarely found in therapists. It is comparable to Newtonian physics versus quantum physics, Newtonian physics is encapsulated, the laws are describable and fixed, while quantum physics is forever impacted by the ever smaller or larger fundamental aspect of existence. There is no bottom to it, that's why many therapists won't even touch it because they end up confusing themselves as well as their clients more than what its worth. Thats when they usually ascribe derogatory terms to Jung simply because they can't master it.
He didn't say that the Ego was trying to tell the individual that something was off, it was the Self that was trying to relay that to the ego in symbolic language.
You come to the chicken or the egg question when you say "Some symptoms are caused by environmental influences and are therefore not subject to Jungs analysis, the question then arises at what point does the environment become psyche and vice versa, this gets into very deep areas which are not accessible to us and henceforth we end up using the chemical hammer (Drugs) rather than true understanding, because truth or meaningful interpretation, just isn't accessible on those levels. The depressions that sincere therapists of course end up facing (most therapists try their best to not let their value perception/feelings, get involved) is that in by far the most cases, their therapies ( usually simple behavioral methods), just don't work, they may work for the short term but almost always fail in the long term, Drugs are used to pretty much shut up the disturbance which of course is a cover for the symptom and not a cure.
Excellent explanation of the topic! Thank you:)
I learned a very interesting version of this that combined Freud and Jung's models of the unconscious and took MBTI and worked it back into Jung's original conception of it, focusing on cognitive functions and rejecting the idea of it being a dichotomy like the big 5.
The best metaphor for the collective subconscious I found is spiders ability to build a web without being taught. Collective consciousness whether through genetic memory or biologically driven it is Inside of all humans.
Since discovering the writings of Dr. Jung, I began to discover words previously unheard of, but which seemed as though previously discovered …such as from within a previous universe: consecutivity, subsituation, substractive, exis, exounding, experiential communication, environmental communication, emotional environment OR experiential environment, individualized, emotionality, momentary, (gravity of retrospect), ergo, diagressive, dimedial, digress (of emphasis), recession, diagregate, substration, indistance, aspect mythology???
Jungian therapists worldwide treat the full scale of psychological disorders, depression, anxiety, personality disorders, schizophrenia, bipolar, etc. It's not limited to a philosophy of life.
It's unfortunately quite common for psychologists to graduate with a very shaky understanding of the depth psychologies. The university programs focus understandably on the more easily commercialized cognitive-behavioral techniques.
And certified practitioners of both Freudian and Jungian psychology have to do years of analysis of their own unconscious processes in order to qualify to work with clients using those techniques, in order to better differentiate their own psychological issues from their clients. That is in addition to all the ordinary academic work needed for licencing.
The danger of clinical psychologists using Jungian ideas without having undergone the years of intensive analysis themselves is that they won't know enough about their own unconscious motivations, processes and blind spots so they will be less likely to see their clients apart from their own projections. Jordan Peterson is a case in point.
Would you be willing to share your opinion of IFS therapy? (Internal Family SystemsL by Dick Schwartz. THANK YOU!
I think Jung was more right than one wants to admit, that depression is a way of ones body to tell that something is wrong.
Very insightful. Thank you.
I am a very concrete dealing with the tangibles type of man. But Jung really clicks with me for some reason. The outer world and the inner world, like walking a tightrope to keep the 2 worlds balanced.
Thank you for the clarification on the main division between Freud and Jung, the collective unconscious. The theories differ in meanings of the ego, conscious, and unconscious. The idea of the ego mediating versus self-regulating is thought provoking. The concepts of Analytic Therapy do seem more complex. Jung's concept of the collective unconscious is shared, but the predisposition to inherit Archetypes is inherited across generations. The term of the Persona is widely used compared to the many stated Archetypes. If my understanding is correct, the goals of Analytic Therapy are for the ego to relate to the Self (wholeness) and integration of the personal unconscious to the collective unconscious. Freud's and Jung's different view of dreams as interpretation of hidden meaning versus interpretation of symbols is also interesting. I imagine that a great deal of training is necessary to understand the concepts in order to utilize the techniques. The modality is definitely abstract and I can see how the philosophy, similar to Existentialism, is useful in exploring values, as you state.
Thanks for that. It was helpful
You're welcome!
Analytical Psychotherapy does not use Free Association, but more on amplification or circumambulating around particular a image/symbol…it differs than free association….
On a personal note, I had it highly skilled psychotherapist who used Jungian concepts to treat my trauma and PD. I have more to say, but I’m on my way to class. Thank you and more videos on Jung please!
Mrs. Yeti Vasquez plz share ur story we need it
Beautiful.
Question: As I'm looking to begin counselling (again), and hoping to find a competent Jungian therapist in my area, are there any signs I should be looking for that might help to tell me if my therapist is competent or incompetent to apply Jungian therapy? After all, anyone can call themselves anything.
paxonearth go to a normal therapist. Not a theory for depression or anxiety.. fyi
For someone who does analytical psychotherapy needs to be willing to be open mind and learn many cultures, traditions, symbols, mythic figures, mythology, fairy tales, images, history, philosophy, , anthropology, archaelogy, religions not only one but world religions, and so on….it would be helpful too if someone knows and learns about alchemy….as one can analyze archetypes based on these body of higher knowledge…
Can I practice Jungian therapy under spiritual therapy or do I need to be a psychotherapist to work with this?
Wait can someone explain to me what "the self" is?
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What do you think of a trauma therapist using Jungian therapy with D.I.D. clients?
Thank you so much for sharing insight into Analytical Therapy and Carl Jung’s practice. I wish I knew about this earlier in life as this type of therapy suites me perfectly. I look forward to getting educated to the point oof actually practicing Analytical therapy in the very near future. What would you suggest is a preferred institution to start with...local and or international? Thanks again!
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I found the comparison omg Freudian and Jungian therapies to be helpful. I’m sure Jungian therapy can be helpful to anyone who may be dealing with life changes that are out of their control, but I think it can be specifically helpful to adolescents who are trying to figure out their purpose in life. Whether it be them dealing with the pressures of trying to do what their parents want them to do versus what they really want to do in their life.this may be challenging when presented to clients of different cultural backgrounds as well.
Carl Jung is a 9 lifepath in numerology and Sigmund Freud is a 4 lifepath.
I don't understand Jung yet I do not believe in the collective unconscious
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Humans love to suffer! So depression and anxiety make sense.
Seriously Dr. Grande, so called analytic therapy is beneath you. Carl Jung was in need of therapy, in need of psychoanalysis.
She didn’t even listen 👂