Native American Tomahawks from Ravensbeak Forge

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  • Tomahawks (from Ravensbeak Forge - / @ravensbeakforge1747 ) were used by both Native Americans and European settlers in North America, in the colonial period. They came in various styles, preferred by different groups of people, and here we look at three of the main types of tomahawk, made by Ravensbeak Forge - www.ravensbeak...
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 368

  • @scholagladiatoria
    @scholagladiatoria  Рік тому +31

    Thanks again to Ethan @ Ravensbeak Forge - ua-cam.com/channels/_SoykSo0dqp6h3xSL2UCGQ.html & www.ravensbeakforge.com/

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 Рік тому +3

      it seems really interesting to me that throughout cultures from the Norse to the Japanese, certain religious traditions use clubbing sorts of weapons, either because dont want to spill blood, or they harken back to earlier traditions before metal was readily available: Thors' hammer, Hercules' club, or the Sōhei Kanabō; these traditions can survive alongside other latter more sword based traditions

    • @Not_An_Alien
      @Not_An_Alien Рік тому +5

      Have you ever broken down the fight between Magua and Chingachgook in Last Of The Mohichans?

    • @BUZZKILLJRJR
      @BUZZKILLJRJR Рік тому +2

      A tomahawk with a large enough hammer on the back for driving nails/spikes moving items into, would be more frontiersman friendly. For building and everything plus you could use the pointed end for a blunt instrument.

    • @BUZZKILLJRJR
      @BUZZKILLJRJR Рік тому +2

      @@beepboop204 well softer metals that are blunt weapons you don't have to worry about maintaining them or sharpening a anyting virtually indestructible compared to a edged weapon if built approximately.

    • @dredlord47
      @dredlord47 Рік тому +1

      This isn't relevant to the video, but do you know what manual was the dominant Infantry saber manual for the U.S. in the 1860s?

  • @-Zevin-
    @-Zevin- Рік тому +7

    Spike hawks are actually fantastic tools. I use one for camping and hiking here in the USA. Allot of people assume that spike is just a weapon, but it's great at digging out rocks, prepping ground for a sleeping area, and assisting digging a latrine in hard ground, also in the winter it can be used to assist climbing steep slippery surfaces like a ice pick. Some people for utility prefer the hammer head, but honestly why bring the hammer, when you can just find a rock, or cut a small tree limb to use as a baton. Hammering is possible with other tools, but a steel spike isn't something you can find in the woods.
    Edit: Just wanted to add in, if you decide to get a spike hawk for hiking/camping it's important to get a solid cover for it that covers the spike with something like a thick leather. The spike can be a liability if you fall, you don't want to accidently trip and stab yourself with it.

  • @HalSchirmer
    @HalSchirmer Рік тому +69

    More importantly if you are in the American colonies during winter, that tomahawk spike is going to allow you to pull yourself out if you fall through ice- not even on a lake, but simply a pond, river, or creek...
    Similarly, if you're crossing the icy north side of a hill or ravine, that spike is REALLY convenient as an ice-ax to stop you if you slide.

    • @woltews
      @woltews Рік тому +8

      and having an axe to get a fire started quickly after you get out of the freezing water is a life or death thing , no matter how wet the outer wood is !

    • @HalSchirmer
      @HalSchirmer Рік тому +8

      @@woltews Interesting point- I'm located reasonably close to a well-studied jasper/flint quarry, known to Native American Lenape/Catawba/Iroquois for pre-contact arrowheads and then later for post-contact & colonial fire-starting flint.
      I think MANY people undervalue the pipe-hawk. You cannot believe the importance of having an iron ax, flint, and tinder/tobbacco easily accessible when people are basically hiking/ camping every day as part of their lifestyle.
      "Ceci N'est Pas Un Pipe" is quite accurate, an Indian pipe isn't ONLY for smoking tobacco, it is a magnificent tool for cradling embers and blowing them into a fire.

    • @hunter35474
      @hunter35474 Рік тому +3

      @@HalSchirmer That's a great point that I've never considered before. From my layman's prespective, I've always thought of the pipe tomahawk as a symbolic weapon representing the choices of peace or war, or else just an example of the "Good Idea Fairy" whispering in some blacksmith's ear. But it makes sense as a combination cutting and firemaking tool. Is the pipe tube large enough to store emergency tinder inside?

    • @victorwaddell6530
      @victorwaddell6530 Рік тому +1

      @@HalSchirmer I smoke cigarillos ( small cigars in Spanish ) . A cigar , cigarette , or pipe of tobacco is a good way to create a small cherry of fire that lasts several minutes for building larger fires . Smokers always have a source of fire at hand while non smokers are usually without any source of fire ignition . I started smoking when I was in the US Navy .The ship's store sold duty free tobacco , Zippo lighters , and Buck knives to the crew .

    • @woltews
      @woltews Рік тому

      @@HalSchirmer I kind of prefer not using my axe for moving something delicate like a burning ember . I like an axe that is also a usable hammer and sumething like a holowedout tree root to carry an ember .

  • @andreweden9405
    @andreweden9405 Рік тому +8

    Landing at Vincennes Indiana among the assembled Indiana and Kentucky Militia prior to the Battle of Tippecanoe-
    “Many of these militia spoke the French language; their dress was a short frock of deer-skin, a belt around their bodies, with a tomahawk and scalping knife attached to it, and were nearly as destitute of discipline as the savages themselves. The militia from Kentucky and a few companies of Indiana were decent soldiers, yet the large knife and hatchet which constituted a part of their equipment, with their dress, gave them rather a savage appearance. The hatchet, however, was found to be a very useful article on the march - they had no tents but with their hatchets would in a short time form themselves a shelter from the weather, on encamping at night.”
    -Adam Walker, A Journal of Two Campaigns of the Fourth Regiment of U.S. Infantry in the Michigan and Indiana Territories Under the Command of Col. John P. Boyd and Lt. Col. James Miller During the Years 1811 and 12, (Keene, N.H.: Sentinel Press, 1816).

  • @RagPlaysGames
    @RagPlaysGames Рік тому +9

    I wonder if the French went with the spontoon shape in the early days to specifically point out which of the Indians were likely to be friendly to them. Kind of a mark that they traded with the French before so were more likely to do so again. The thing looks like a fleur de lis as well.

    • @thelegendaryklobb2879
      @thelegendaryklobb2879 Рік тому +2

      I was hoping Matt would address the obvious "fleur de lys" shape as a fench allegiance badge

  • @dutch6857
    @dutch6857 Рік тому +5

    I dunno, being able to to pierce an enemies buffalo coat in the winter with the spike-hawk could be really clutch if and when it came up. But being able to dive tent pegs every single day with the hammer-hawk would be the tool that I would take into the bush.

  • @btinsley785
    @btinsley785 Рік тому +27

    I think videos of tomahawk sparring would be interesting especially how the different types of hawk might be used differently. Also, since you brought it up, videos about the development and use of the Highlands dirk and the sghian dhu.

  • @woltews
    @woltews Рік тому +15

    we mostly use the cold steel one around hear as a light belt axe that you can make a new handle for easily unlike a wedged axe . They are good utility tools in the bush for making fires and getting dry wood , they could be a weapon also if required but mostly for making fire and as a tool.
    PS the spike is great for breaking ice and digging in hard ground the 98% of the time you are not fighting but still have to stay alive !

  • @TheHybridHunter307
    @TheHybridHunter307 Рік тому +18

    The spike on the Mohawk tomahawk was a good tool for climbing steep, leafy hillsides found in the Adirondacks

  • @patricialavery8270
    @patricialavery8270 Рік тому +3

    If you look at some of William Catlin's portraits of Native Americans before so much changed they show tomahawks that are quite massive and resembling Viking axes with a long heavy downcurving head.There are some of the triangular bladed ones but those kind of blades seem more often mounted on a war club which looked like a cut down hockey stick.

  • @thornescapes7707
    @thornescapes7707 Рік тому +10

    When you pulled out the spontoonhawk, my first thought was that it was a fleur de lis, and I wondered if it had French influence.

  • @fostermoody
    @fostermoody Рік тому +5

    I've always had a ton of curiosity about the stone axes of the "boat axe" culture and "corded ware" culture. The drilled holes always interested me, since that would be so much more work than earlier stone tools that were hafted around the outside of the stone head.

  • @MasterPoucksBestMan
    @MasterPoucksBestMan Рік тому +13

    Big fan of tomahawks and tomahawk practitioner here. Great video.

    • @Wayzor_
      @Wayzor_ Рік тому +1

      I also partake in the tomahawk arts.

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 Рік тому

      you know, i had no idea that was a thing until i watched Deadliest Warrior and they explained how Comanche Tomahawk skills are taught to American military personnel. thought that was very interesting

    • @elim7228
      @elim7228 Рік тому

      @@beepboop204 there's even a Vietnam war issue version, and others were sent there for US GI use.

  • @oevr37
    @oevr37 Рік тому +19

    The spiked tomahawk is very cool and probably the best for fighting, but the hammer makes it the best tool. Not only because it is useful as a hammer but also because you can drive the axehead by hammering on the back with a piece of wood. Also, a beefier axehead would make it better at splitting wood. My favourite tomahawk would be the most useful tool version, I bet it still would make a decent weapon too.
    Great video!

    • @oevr37
      @oevr37 Рік тому +3

      @@hashimrahman51 The pipe would arguably be the best addition to help you get rid of your enemies.. by smoking it together and befriending them.

    • @bradfarrahgerwing154
      @bradfarrahgerwing154 Рік тому +1

      Looks like you need a rifleman hawk....bigger and heavier head.....cold steels got a good cheap one

    • @oevr37
      @oevr37 Рік тому

      @@bradfarrahgerwing154 I'd prefer one with a head that tapers more evenly so it would be better for splitting wood. I bet you would use it the most for this purpose in almost any situation. This of course would make it heavier and therefore a less nimble weapon.

  • @daemonharper3928
    @daemonharper3928 Рік тому +3

    Great vid - a fascinating topic, both in terms of history and fighting techniques......the spike tomahawk looks the business.

  • @wayland4159
    @wayland4159 Рік тому +7

    Maybe a video of what weapons, armor and tactics that the early colonies had to adapt/re-implement when transitioning from the Old World to New. If I recall correctly, things like targes/redello shields came back to fashion because plate armor was too impractical for the environment.

  • @scott9665
    @scott9665 Рік тому +2

    Id like to see how well the tomahawk stands up in defence on its own compared to with a buffalo hide shield.
    when i was younger i did a lot of dark age and Viking re-enactment and found the axe a fantastic offensive weapon against Armor and hooking shields but not so good in defence without a shield to parry swords and spears

  • @tattooraptor
    @tattooraptor Рік тому +2

    Take a look at Wingard Wearables' wares - they make modern interpretations of historical Native American tomahawks and warclubs for carry and wear. I own several items from them and they're all high-quality and well made.

  • @IosuamacaMhadaidh
    @IosuamacaMhadaidh Рік тому +2

    The Spanish and French were all up and down the Mississippi river and Missouri river. My home town, St. Charles, Missouri, was settled by both before the Louisiana Purchase, so I'm sure there were many of their axes making it far inland pretty early.

  • @jerrymacklow1452
    @jerrymacklow1452 Рік тому +2

    In this country, tomahawks are quite popular in the bushcraft community, as tools. I suspect that most tomahawks would been used as tools as much as weapons back in the day too.
    There's a UA-cam channel by the name of Fandabi Dozi which has some interesting videos on traditional Scottish weapons.

    • @azraelf.6287
      @azraelf.6287 Рік тому

      And that is exactly why my preference is for the hammer poll hawk rather than a spike. The limited utility of the spike for dragging or rolling logs is far outweighed by having the hammer. It is also safer. I keep a leather mask over the edge, but I don't have to worry about the hammer.

  • @andywilson8698
    @andywilson8698 Рік тому +5

    I like to see a bit more about smallswords vs other period swords ,particularly on a smallswords ability to defend against them , parries, blocks , disengages ,slips , ect!!!

  • @Matt_The_Hugenot
    @Matt_The_Hugenot Рік тому +7

    To me the spike backed tomahawk looks like the tool today known as an axaroon, a combination axe and picaroon. There are many designs going back at least to the 19th century but all feature a smallish axe head and opposing spike that can be straight or hooked.

    • @wingardwearables
      @wingardwearables Рік тому +2

      I make “modern” versions of historic spike tomahawks and the spike side works really well to bite into fallen deadwood-think big branches to small log size. Then use legs to drag the deadwood into the camp fire. Historic spike tomahawks weighed well under a pound-most were just 8-10 ounces head and handle. Not efficient wood choppers, but good for cutting small pieces of wood to get a small fire started. Using the spike side to drag nearby deadwood into the campfire is a very time and effort efficient way to greatly magnify the heat output. Even big damp punky logs do well at reflecting heat to your body, and eventually will burn in the fire.

    • @Matt_The_Hugenot
      @Matt_The_Hugenot Рік тому

      @@wingardwearables Thanks!

    • @arctodussimus6198
      @arctodussimus6198 10 місяців тому +1

      The spike is also a great tool for digging a trench next to your fire to drag coals into for cooking

  • @j.bowman8699
    @j.bowman8699 Рік тому +1

    Pipe tomahawks are primarily for war and ceremony,and are often very ornate,well made.
    Inlaid silver, engraving etc
    There are polled tomahawks for driving stakes,pelt work,and cutting kindling. There are trade axes for chopping firewood. There are also more petite tomahawks exclusively for war,very small and light heads. Majority of spike hawks where former naval or army surplus,British/French.
    Tomahawk shape does shift and change as you go from 1680-1790 and then moving into the Great plains in the 1830's-1890's. The spontoon tomahawk is from that later period.

  • @jlthearcher
    @jlthearcher Рік тому +6

    You might want to look into "eye dog" tomahawks. It was a generic term for trade hatchet/tomahawk type weaopns, but it seems to have been very often a single bladed affair with nothing on the back side of the socket, no hammer, spike, or pipe bowl. They, as far as my readings have uncovered, were very often used as a thrown, volly, weapon before hand to hand combat was joined.

  • @ImXs1p3r
    @ImXs1p3r Рік тому +1

    Love these Tomahawk stories.

  • @sharzadgabbai4408
    @sharzadgabbai4408 Рік тому +1

    Dwight C Lenore published a treatise on tomahawk fighting.
    A modern tomahawk was carried in Vietnam by US troops

  • @HunterGargoyle
    @HunterGargoyle Рік тому +15

    I used to carry a tomahawk as a tool/self defence inplement before transitioning to my bowie knife, they often make great multi-purpose implements that i very much think people would enjoy having in their collections these ones you've shown are very nice and i will check them out

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 Рік тому

      you see that viral hatchet video? no one expects someone to pull a hatchet lol

    • @elim7228
      @elim7228 Рік тому

      Why did you switch to a knife? I would think a hawk is more packable than a Bowie knife. Tomahawk can be disassembled, a knife can't.

    • @HunterGargoyle
      @HunterGargoyle Рік тому

      @@elim7228 ease of deployment, the police eyeing me funny for having a hatchet hanging off my belt, getting my hands on my dad's hunting knife that was mysteriously "missing" from his personal effects after he died various reasons nothing specific

  • @unclebob540i3
    @unclebob540i3 Рік тому +1

    A hawk is a very versatile and useful tool.

  • @strategicgamingwithaacorns2874

    Fun fact: the French brought their traditional Francisca throwing axe- the signature weapon of the Franks- with them to the Americas, and a lot of tomahawks take design cues from the Francisca as a result.

  • @MaidenFan666
    @MaidenFan666 Рік тому +3

    I agree with your assessment of the spike hawk being the best choice for using a tomahawk primarily as a weapon, but if I was a frontiersman living off the land and using it primarily as a tool I would think a hammer poll would be more useful. When you're limited by what you can carry multi use items always have priority especially in a living off the land context I would think
    Now I'm curious if there's any sources on what French and English colonists carried as far as axes and tools in a frontiersmam/fur trapper context

    • @elim7228
      @elim7228 Рік тому

      Yes, it's all in the museums in North America. Whatever the archeology didn't break or spoil, at least, to fit the narrative. I agree with you, a spike is definitely a pure weapon whereas a hammer poll would absolutely win in terms of utility both around the house and outside.

  • @LarryGarfieldCrell
    @LarryGarfieldCrell Рік тому +9

    I'd be interested in a history of the Scottish dirk, and its parent the ballock dagger. I'm very unclear on the timeline of that evolution.

  • @willallen7757
    @willallen7757 Рік тому +1

    My neighbor is a Seneca, he's deadly with his tomahawks.

  • @corneliussulla9963
    @corneliussulla9963 Рік тому +18

    Im also interested in the French and Indian War and American Revolutionary War periods right now. Thanks for the video Matt! Theres plenty of possible videos in this. Longhunter knives, Longrifles, trade axes, Native American clubs etc etc...

    • @nationalsocialism3504
      @nationalsocialism3504 Рік тому +1

      French and Indian War like the earlier King Philip war were crucial in shaping the American Revolutionary War... since Americans weren't fighting for independence from the British Crown merely the English Parliament until right before the war started when King George turned it into a race war against us by enlisting our racial enemies of Indians (feather not dot) & Blacks against us Americans. If King George hadn't been a race traitor then America wouldn't have fought for independence... been more like Canada & Australia, still in Commonwealth but not under the English Parliament.

    • @nationalsocialism3504
      @nationalsocialism3504 Рік тому +2

      Sidenote- "Native Americans" is a term for Americans whose family predates the Revolutionary War... Indians aren't American so they can't be native to it, they are the people that we conquered when Americans created America which they were excluded from being put on reservations and denied American Citizenship.

    • @Lucius1958
      @Lucius1958 Рік тому

      @@nationalsocialism3504 "King John war"? Do you mean King Philip's War (1675/6)?
      "King Philip" (originally named Metacomet) was the son of Massasoit, sachem of the Wampanoags, who had allowed the Pilgrims to settle at what is now Plymouth. Metacomet/Philip led a Native rebellion to drive the English out of his homeland, which proved to be the last stand of the First Nations in what became New England.

    • @nationalsocialism3504
      @nationalsocialism3504 Рік тому

      @@Lucius1958 ahh... my bad, thanks. My dyslexia got me again... still gets through sometimes (I felt the tingle that it wasn't "right" but a lifetime of that tingle fucking me over i generally ignore it unless it's stronger.)
      Edited to be correct after you pointed out that I got it wrong.

    • @userequaltoNull
      @userequaltoNull Рік тому +1

      @@nationalsocialism3504 bro this is such uncreative trolling I'm gonna have to report your comments simply to get them out of the way. Maybe be more entertaining (and only post one comment) if you don't want people to call the Jannies on you.
      I mean my god, calling King George a "race traitor"? It isn't even "so bad it's good", it's just bad.

  • @Bloborus
    @Bloborus Рік тому +7

    Fascinating topic. I have an old crate axe, another colonial naval tool I guess. It has amazing utility with a pry, hammer and axe blade but it seems too specialized to have been as prevalent in trade as the boarding axe? Definitely tiny as an instrument of war, but it's just interesting how dominant the bowie and tomahawk became over other forms. I wonder what other more obscure tools were reappropriated, made relevant again or obsolete as settlers colonized the frontier. Thanks for the videos, always a treat.

    • @doratheexploder286
      @doratheexploder286 Рік тому +1

      crate axes was largely confined to the supply officer for opening crates, doubt they were lying about anywhere else than supply wagons and store departments.

  • @santafromexeter5814
    @santafromexeter5814 Рік тому +1

    I would love to see you do a video on Scottish weaponry, particularly the use of the Basket Hilt and Targe and the practicality of carrying the Dirk in the same hand as the Targe. Having used a Basket Hilt and Targe in reenactment, I remain unconvinced as to this particular "well known tactic".

  • @snaggletooth9784
    @snaggletooth9784 Рік тому

    I like that you pointed out that Ash is better than hickory.. over the years, I have put ash handled picks sledge and axes through loads of abuse and never snapped one.. so ash is light and as strong as you will ever likely need it to be... so that makes it better

  • @josephinestalin5846
    @josephinestalin5846 Рік тому +6

    Hi Matt I’m a big fan of yours you once said you going to make a video about Mongol swords and sabers could you do that there is not much about on the internet with your knowledge I can batter understand about it thank you

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 Рік тому +3

      he also got me interested in those curved peasant axes, and likewise, there is very very little information out there. what a tease!

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  Рік тому +6

      Good shout, yes I should do something about Mongol arms and armour.

    • @josephinestalin5846
      @josephinestalin5846 Рік тому

      @@scholagladiatoria yes please thank you so much

  • @charlottesimonin2551
    @charlottesimonin2551 Рік тому

    Many U.S. amateur Blacksmith have, early in their careers, have made tomahawks with high carbon railroad track spikes. The results are often quite attractive as skill develops. The metal does not make a truly useful tool but are often seen in gatherings of people interested in primitive black powder firearms and civil war era camping,

  • @raphlvlogs271
    @raphlvlogs271 Рік тому +1

    the knife at the end may be traditional but it will still make a lot of sense in a modern edc context

  • @joemummerth8340
    @joemummerth8340 Рік тому +2

    they were actually rather popular from the very early 18TH century onwards , today there are tomahawk throwing competitions all over the united states !

  • @andrewjensen7413
    @andrewjensen7413 Рік тому

    The last Tomahawk hit with the back spike downward just behind the collar bone aiming at the side of the neck would be very Deadly. It's the Tomahawk one I would pick for sure.

  • @MQuinn-eb3zz
    @MQuinn-eb3zz Рік тому +2

    I just realized that the spontoon hawk does seem to resemble the fleur de lis.

  • @memyself637
    @memyself637 Рік тому +1

    Speaking of Highland weapons, I've always been interested in the dirk and targe combination. As you know both were held at the same time in the weak hand with the blade of the dirk pointing downwards. This in combination with a sword, usually a broadsword. If you could do a video on how they were used, with what types of swords, when and exactly by who, that would fascinating. I hope you'll consider this. Thanks!

  • @shawngilliland243
    @shawngilliland243 Рік тому

    Great additional information to your series of videos on tomahawks. I'd choose the same spiked tomahawk that you did, Matt.

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE Рік тому +2

    Thanks for the video it was good I said before in a previous video my 2 favorite one-handed axes are the Native American Tomahawk and the Germanic/Viking styles

  • @theeddorian
    @theeddorian Рік тому +2

    There was a brief discussion I read regarding the tomahawk battle scenes in Last of the Mohicans (the most recent) that they had trouble initially trying to choreograph the fight scenes. The individuals in charge discovered there were no discourses on the methods of fighting with a tomahawk. They decided to adopt cutlass style movements.

    • @ethanblinkhorn8396
      @ethanblinkhorn8396 Рік тому

      ya i saw that in the behind the scenes. its allso one of the reasons they had such long hafts in the movie.

  • @seleye963
    @seleye963 Рік тому +4

    Great video Matt 🙏 it’s awesome to see the spike tomahawk get some appreciation! I don’t know if you’ve had communication with Zac Wingard ( @wingarwearables ) before, but he’s extremely knowledgeable on spike tomahawks as well as combat on the North Eastern frontier 🌳🌲 Makes modern wearable iterations of tomahawks made using historical handmade methods 🙌

  • @ravensbeakforge1747
    @ravensbeakforge1747 Рік тому +2

    thanks again Matt:)

  • @act.13.41
    @act.13.41 Рік тому +1

    Native Americans were not forging steel, so they had to get them through trade. Blacksmiths all over the country were most likely making them when they weren't busy. With them coming from so many sources, there had to be a huge variety. 😀

  • @fredbarnes2600
    @fredbarnes2600 Рік тому +1

    The spike on the hawk would be useful as a digging tool or for breaking off ice

  • @calebbonsack9469
    @calebbonsack9469 Рік тому +1

    I'd love to see some commentary over tomahawk sparring!

  • @robertsmith4681
    @robertsmith4681 Рік тому +1

    I wonder if any of the bowl type were ever designed/used not so much as pipes but as powder and shot measures for trade muskets and such ... ?

  • @erichusayn
    @erichusayn Рік тому +5

    My grail hawk/knife combo is a replica by Winkler of Maguas tomahawk and knife from The Last of the Mohicans. Wouldn't mind a replica of Chingachcooks gunstock war club.

  • @deepashtray5605
    @deepashtray5605 Рік тому +1

    A problem with a pipehawk is that one would be reluctant to practice throwing it as the handle is a bit trickier to replace. Otherwise they're pretty damn cool.

  • @junglejim3433
    @junglejim3433 Рік тому

    Fascinating. Your random depth of knowledge is impressive

  • @teedammit
    @teedammit Рік тому

    One of the things I like best about my own tomahawk (the 'English' pattern with an arrowhead spike) is the length of handle gives it a hand-and-a-half utility. It does small trees as well as skulls.

  • @Griff1011
    @Griff1011 Рік тому

    I have a love of many different weapons, almost none of which have I been able to handle, but one I love being reminded of is the spontoon-hawk.

  • @thomaspunt2646
    @thomaspunt2646 Рік тому +2

    I'd like to hear more about tomahawks made of natural materials, like stone and bone.

  • @ianbruce6515
    @ianbruce6515 Місяць тому

    As a tool, I'd prefer the hammer head hawk.
    The tomahawk is a bit light for wood splitting--unless you use it as a wedge and pound on the hammer face with a club.

  • @JohnFleshman
    @JohnFleshman Рік тому +1

    Yeah I like the third one most. If I had to fight with a tomakawk the spiked one would certainly be my preferred choice.

  • @greylocke100
    @greylocke100 Рік тому +1

    Matt, the US Navy M1859 Boarding Hatchet looks very much like your spiked tomahawk. You might wish to check it out.

  • @dustyak79
    @dustyak79 Рік тому +1

    Id like to see and hear about Revolution period or earlier Rifleman's Knives.

  • @stimpsonjcat67
    @stimpsonjcat67 Рік тому

    Holy crap...Bruce vs De Bohun.
    Didn't see that coming.

  • @andrezunido
    @andrezunido Рік тому

    Great shirt! One of Faith No More's Mike Patton other bands: Tomahawk, comes to mind.

  • @Old52Guy
    @Old52Guy Рік тому

    This was a fantastic vid! Thank you. These make excellent battle weapons, especially with a 3-4" spike opposite the main blade and a wrist lanyard that helps with retention and allows you to shoot, have the 'hawk hanging and just swing it up to fight.

  • @justincraig398
    @justincraig398 Рік тому

    Tomahawks are my favorite handheld weapon.

  • @jackdelvo2702
    @jackdelvo2702 Рік тому

    I believe like most weapons the hawk has various forms and functions. Being from the Great Lakes region I have always had an interest in the fur trade era. I have owned and used most types of hawks except for the spadrune. It seems to me the pipe axes were more a ceremonial and status axe, many were highly decorated, similar to a dress sword. The simple eye loop hawk without any protrusions to the back would have been the economy beater axe. The simple all round camp tool, the one most used and abused with the least value. The handle is easily replace and when the head is removed it makes an excellent hand axe for more delicate work, however it is also the lightest and in the right hands lightening fast. The hammer hawk is the Swiss army hawk. When in the field, on the hunt or warpath and you can only bring the bare necessities, it’s the choice. In the North American eastern woodlands native travel was light, fast and always at the run. To be captured and unable to keep up would mean death in most cases. The spike hawk is more versatile than the spadrune but both are primarily war hawks. In my opinion they would primarily be found in the hands of war chiefs and the higher ranking warriors.

  • @aaronsanborn4291
    @aaronsanborn4291 Рік тому

    There's a reason I carried a tomahawk in my hunting gear and as a soldier...they are extremely useful as general tools

  • @spacewater7
    @spacewater7 Рік тому

    You might suggest to your friend at Ravensbeak Forge to try using black locust wood for his handles. Rumor has it that it's harder than hickory. It's also quite beautiful and grows quickly given the right conditions in waste areas such as abandoned pastures and wildfire areas.

  • @dongeonmaster8547
    @dongeonmaster8547 Рік тому +1

    I would think the axe blade, if it didn't penetrate to flesh, would still have great effectiveness causing blunt force trauma along the edge and possibly breaking bone; like the ribs, clavicle, any of the arm and bones and of course the head or neck. Any serious injury in these areas could cause you to lose the fight even if you weren't killed outright by the initial blow.

  • @paigenelson3743
    @paigenelson3743 Рік тому +1

    You should commission a Scottish dirk from Ravensbeak. Would love for you to do an episode on those!

  • @Winter_Fritz
    @Winter_Fritz Рік тому

    Great show, thank you for taking the time to teach about weapons of the past

  • @pavelchudy6208
    @pavelchudy6208 Рік тому

    Nice shirt. My favourite band.

  • @johnbrown9985
    @johnbrown9985 Рік тому +1

    Matt, If you haven’t already It would be fun to see you review Mel Gibson’s “Tomahawk scene” from The Patriot. You also mentioned the Smatchet in the FS dagger vs. Kukri vid last month- I think the Smatchet would be interesting as the”other” WWII commando dagger and what is essentially an actual modern combat short sword.

  • @justdustino1371
    @justdustino1371 2 місяці тому

    The wooden gun stock war club is interesting. The final fight scene in Last Of The Mohicans featured one.

  • @tgmickey513
    @tgmickey513 Рік тому

    "What is it". Just had to! Great vid, as usual, reinvigorated my interest in these and really like the spontoon/ pipe version you had made.

  • @sammo42
    @sammo42 Рік тому +3

    Never knew about the French/English distinction between hatchet and spontoon heads on tomahawks. Also, I'm not picking up on much functional purpose for the spontoon"lugs". So now I'm wondering: did the French distribute these as propaganda? As soon as you said France, I noticed how much the spontoon head resembles the fleur de lis symbol of the old French monarchy.

    • @MitchJohnson0110
      @MitchJohnson0110 Рік тому

      lugs prevent the head from penetrating too deeply and getting stuck

    • @sammo42
      @sammo42 Рік тому

      @@MitchJohnson0110 in general yes, but on this particular ones, the lugs are so small and so far behind the widest part of the blade that you could get that thing wedged into something pretty hard before they even touched the surface.

    • @ravensbeakforge1747
      @ravensbeakforge1747 Рік тому

      i too wonder that.

    • @stocktonjoans
      @stocktonjoans Рік тому

      there's a chance the lugs are there to stop the business end penetrating too far so it's easier to extract, but given that it's the french style and they pretty much turn the whole head into a fleur de lys (⚜) they could be purely decorative

  • @englishdavemk1
    @englishdavemk1 Рік тому

    I see the hammer vs spike comments and i'm here like "yeah man, pack dat bowl"

  • @SalladSnake
    @SalladSnake Рік тому

    Can forget about the cherokee tomahawk from the patriot! Epic battle scene. The ghost!

  • @MadNumForce
    @MadNumForce Рік тому +1

    If I had to pick one lightish type of axe to go live in mid 18th century North America, it would be a combination axe and adze, as these are the most useful basic wood tools one can have. I don't know why these didn't get exported to the New World, as the adze bit would have been extremely useful to those of Natives who carved their canoes out of a whole tree trunk. Maybe there was just no tribe in the French area of influence who maybe their boat like this, through truth be told these tools are more common in Spain and Italy than in France. But even as a hoe, it's still mighty useful to dig a fire pit, forage the ground for roots, etc...
    The trade axes that became known as tomahawks are really axes from Southern Europe though. That's where the slip-through handle is common. You don't find that type of hanging in Germanic countries really, only the wedged construction that became the norm, and the now obsolete socket type as was still found on Finnish axes in the 20th century, or on goosewing axes. That slip-through construction probably significantly helped in the popularity of the Biscaye trade axe with Natives, as it's very easy to fashion a handle, and thus you can ship only the heads packed in barrels with grease. The type of thin-ish eye you find on the typical British Kent pattern axe/hatchet is lot less intuitive, and not as foolproof.
    Type "hacha podar" (ES) or "scure potatura"/"accetta potatura" (IT) in Google to see what comes up. Tomahawks come from what in Southern Europe were pruning axes (to trim olive trees and such). Then type "Guerriero di Capestrano" and take a look at what he's holding in his right hand.

  • @TheStriperhunter
    @TheStriperhunter Рік тому

    It's easy to make a tomahawk out of a ball peen hammer. It was the first thing I forged. With oxy-acetylene and a hammer you can pick up a cheap Harbor Freight hammer and heat and hammer into a hawk. After a couple, get a better quality hammer with better steel and make one you can use anywhere. I prefer a spike on the non-blade end also!

  • @albertgauche9271
    @albertgauche9271 Рік тому

    Great shirt! One of my favorite bands.

  • @behdodbaniahmad9775
    @behdodbaniahmad9775 Рік тому

    Matt, that’s actually the battle of Yorktown you were talking about, battle of Chesapeake bay was a Civil War battle.

  • @joeyvanhaperen7715
    @joeyvanhaperen7715 Рік тому

    You know what I just relised, the tomahawk is bassicly a bit like the one-handed version of a poleaxe in the sense that what ever type of heads you put on it pick, hammer or axe the keep calling it a tomahawk.

  • @nmacgyver1
    @nmacgyver1 Рік тому +2

    I'd love to hear more about the different ways tomahawks vs axes are hung/mounted to the handle. Was it convenience and to make it easier to re-hang and replace the handle? Or is there some other advantage? Or just cultural development? Thanks!!!

    • @MadNumForce
      @MadNumForce Рік тому +1

      "Tomahawks", at least the early trade axes, are really just Southern European light axes, often collectively referred to as "pruning axe" (hacha da poda in Spanish, scure/accetta per potatura in Italian). The slip-through type of hang is just the normal way to hang an axe. Sadly the axe forging industry on the French side of the bay of Biscaye that produced most of the trade axes sent to the New World didn't survive the industrial revolution, but the big French industrial tool manufacturers (Saut du Tarn, Revolier, Bret, etc) of the 19th and early 20th century still produced slip-through axes for Southern France, and some slip-through patterns were spread nation wide (hache de ménage). In Italy, you barely find any wedge hung axe. In Spain, there are wedge hung design but it's done very differently than in Germanic areas: the eyes are often rectangular in section, short in length (only gripping a narrow band of wood), and the wedge is most often still, put in the shortest dimension of the eye section, a bit like you find on Japanese axes and hammers, but often much cruder. The Germanic style of wedge hang in comparison is much work.

    • @wingardwearables
      @wingardwearables Рік тому +1

      A lot of historic tomahawks didn’t use that tapered drop-thru-the-top head/handle connection. In fact, most spike tomahawks used a wedged head handle connection. I’ve even seen an example where the tomahawk head had long iron flanges going partway down the handle, pinned to the wood. And also examples of all iron tomahawks-the axe head forge welded to a thin iron handle-made more like a fire place poker than a wood handled hatchet.

  • @eloquentsarcasm
    @eloquentsarcasm Рік тому

    I've carried a SOG tomahawk for years and as much as I love the thing, I've been thinking about getting a "traditional" 'hawk with a hammer instead of a spike since when camping the hammer would be much more useful for general purpose. The SOG CAN hammer using the flat, but the ergonomics are a bit off. Ravensbeak looks like a solid company, gonna have to look 'em up and see what he can put together.

  • @a.bettik8698
    @a.bettik8698 Рік тому

    Looks to me that it was a feature of French-allied tribes also because the spontoon shape definitely reminds of a fleur-de-lys (Ancient Regime's France flag)

  • @andywilson8698
    @andywilson8698 Рік тому

    Yeah!!! Slightly above average!!! WISH I COULD SAY THAT!!!

  • @KulfonCzarnyNos
    @KulfonCzarnyNos Рік тому

    A metal part similar to the "ciupaga" used by Polish highlanders, but the length of the stick is different.

  • @VileVeil
    @VileVeil Рік тому

    I'd love to see Mad Matt McEaston wearing the Great Kilt and talking aboot Scottish weapons!

  • @LuxisAlukard
    @LuxisAlukard Рік тому

    Here's idea for a video I'd like to see:
    If "burying the hatchet" is a real practice in the times of peace - in what condition is said hatchet after months or years spent in the ground?

  • @kempo79
    @kempo79 Рік тому

    Can we have a video about XVII century swords, especially used by military? Both infrantry and cavalry?

  • @davidbradley6040
    @davidbradley6040 Рік тому

    The spike hawk is also like an old (British) Fireman's axe

  • @M.M.83-U
    @M.M.83-U Рік тому

    I petition for a serie on warclubs!
    Done by a Matt in kilt, if possible.

  • @mathlach84
    @mathlach84 Рік тому

    Love the « fleur de lys » axe

  • @wadewilliam9053
    @wadewilliam9053 Рік тому

    There is a old form of native American armor that was found in one of the southern US states an it was made from alligator rawhide I believe it was very old though I think they thought it late archaic or early missipian erea here in the states I make a lot of repro,s of stone monolithic axes an maces

  • @CajunMarine33445
    @CajunMarine33445 Рік тому

    Would be neat to hear more about the Gunstock war club

  • @danhaywood5696
    @danhaywood5696 Рік тому

    Man I dig Tomahawks. I wear and throw three with spikes everyday in the forest. I wear two out shopping sometimes, usually just one. Got great knifes to fight in tandem with my customized cane as well. I love dual welding my cane and selection of knife blades I train with, and also with my tomahawks, all against dead standing trees mostly is how I do it, but also, while traversing my paths, spinning my cane and clearing stuff with tomahawk or knife in other hand. This shit is fun. Im barely strong enough to do it because old injuries and shit, but I ain't gotta work no more cause Im disabled. Im so behind on customizing snd building what I need, but I got a cool system going on where my weapons are all powerful multitools with various levels of permissibility. So the Penlight is one. I customized mine so it doest come out of the pocket and the light don't accidentally turn on. Got Spike Hawk similar to yours, but no pipe. Its a cheap Cold Steel, with ill fitted handle like every traditional wood handle tomahawk Ive owned. I heavily customized it with a file and its finish, and its handle. Right now its on a another shorter handle, I intend to pour lead into a hole in the lower handle for throwing it better. I haven't even gotten into swords yet, other than some sword canes I customized some, but dont dig the basic designs.
    I do bushcrafting also, so tomahawks are useful to me. Hope to do some canoe camping with my dog in Spring, my blades are useful as is my cane, which is a hook and much more.

  • @gregmuon
    @gregmuon Рік тому +1

    I've sometimes wondered why the English bill never became popular in the colonies, for general brush clearing and what not. Possibly hatchets were used instead because of the cultural familiarity that the Native Americans had with them.

    • @greenjack1959l
      @greenjack1959l Рік тому

      A hand bill hook is too blade heavy to make a good weapon. Real poor balance.A long handled slasher might be OK though.

    • @gregmuon
      @gregmuon Рік тому +1

      @@greenjack1959l True, though as a utility tool they are somewhat more versatile than an hatchet or tomahawk. Perhaps it's the fact that a tomahawk is both a effective weapon _and_ an excellent utility tool was the key to their success in the New World.

  • @Vyrlokar
    @Vyrlokar Рік тому

    The spontoon tomahawk also kinda looks like a Fleur de Lys... I don't know if anyone pointed it out beforehand though.