For some reason, people who study typology have become arrogant with their assumptions and everyone forgets to keep an open mind to possibilities, or to have objective and not presumptuous debates. It is a video that portrays how the community can be toxic where it should be united to have a good understanding of the subject. Although I have well-established correlations, I always try to explain what I know to people, giving myself the benefit of the doubt, in case someone asks me a question that I don't know the answer to. We always have to evolve our studies, and for that, several minds are necessary. Great job.
The part about the internal monologue being a better way to identify type. I couldn't agree more. When I type people, the only questions I ask them generally are directly related to their thought process. The things that bother them, their goals, the rationalization of their goals etc.
fantastic video! i especially agree on people often "missing the point" of typing, which is - to me - to improve and learn about yourself, and understand others better
I think another aspect to this is the fact that the different types will have different definitions/interpretations based on which author you use. For example I my opinion Narinjos e8 is a pretty obvious Se dominant type, I really can’t see how Te doms can fit the impulsive, sensory motivated 8 core described by Narinjo. Even Sp 8s (which are described by Narinjo as the most intellectual 8 core in newer material) are still very present focused and materially minded. Ichazos e8 on the other hand? 100% could be Te dominant, in fact it would be arctypical. One of Ichazos dichotomy’s literally describes 8s and rigid, puritanical, and excessively self punishing-almost 1 like in terms of personality(the other dichotomy describes 8s in the more hedonistic light most of us are more familiar with) So obviously when you have two people using these two very different systems your gonna get two different correlation charts, and then arguments over those charts that go no where because BOTH are/could be right or wrong depending on the system your using.
i definitely agree w this. i personally like beatrice chestnut's descriptions the most and it definitely produces different perspectives on what different types are
While your never going to get a situation where like, a character is a 7 core in Ichazo and a 2 core in Narinjo- But you could argue weather Batman is an 8 or sexual 1 core between the two authors. Like I maybe went to far in saying their entirety different systems-but they are different perspectives-and the perspectives you use are going to effect typings.
@@CoraNeeley no ik what you mean. e.g SO4 is one of those types that are described so differently according to the author. Some say they're overly self-victimising, others say they swallow their poison, some say they're overly altruistic and helpful, some don't. It's quite interesting
@@typhoelogyI have a same problem with this. It always helped me, when I aquired some sort of personality, or description from other people (maybe like valuation), even if they could be little bit wrong, but when it correlated with my current vision of myself... It was the best. But I was never too concerned with fashion and buying clothes etc... I always made a personality or a goal, how I want to be, so everything would be right and that's the way I cope. And people say, I cannot be a 4, that I am a 9, but I am extremely moody (although privately) and I don't find narcotisation as my escape mechanism
Great video, although I’d slightly disagree in 2 areas: 1. These systems will always have external manifestations, but people adhere to descriptions too rigidly and ignore context. Typology is mainly about the ego and delve into *possible* external manifestations, but they aren’t definitive because it’s impossible to be if not for the simple fact that archetypes shift over time with the collective unconscious. 2. I don’t think Typology is science OR pseudoscience and it doesn’t really claim to be. It’s classifying archetypes. People try to incorporate scientific elements and take empirical approaches but in its core typology is built on heuristic categories.
especially in media bcs its always up to interpretation bca we arent seeing the full picture majority of the time so we will always see and consume things differently
honestly the bad writing thing gets me so muchhhhh when i try to type a character i like. i like edward nygma from gotham and people keep typing him as type 5 and i do think the writers intended that but it really doesnt read like that to me????? he reads like a counterphobic 6 with how most of his relationships with others are like exteremly clingy and loyal when hes attached to them and most of the times hes out his worst is moviated by fear itself. he exposed himself to be a criminal to jim because he had a psychotic break and thought jim gordon knew he killed people and proceeded to frame him for many crimes, he took everything away from oswald after oswald killed his girlfriend because he was scared that oswald never loved or cared about him and just wanted to own him, he strangled his own girlfriend to death without realizaing he was scared of her calling the police and leaving him because he killed her abusive ex boyfriend before they dated, and yet everyone in this fandom and even the writers act like hes moviated by a desire to learn more????? he denies anything that goes against what he thought because hes so convinced that reality is true and when hes loyal to others hes even willing to kill himself, am i going insane??????
i know my thoughts are really jumbled here but like. his major character beats BESIDES LIKE ONE YOU COULD SAY HAVE NEVERRRRRRR BEEN MOVIATED BY AVARICE WHEN IT COMES TO KNOWLEDGE YES HE DOES WANT OTHERS TO THINK HES THE SMARTEST EVER BUT LIKE. SO MANY OF HIS ACTIONS ARE MOVIATED BY A WANT FOR SECURITY HES NOT THIS GENIUS PSYCHOPATH YOU GUYS HES STUPID AS FUCK WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE HE KEEPS GETTING CLINGY OR THINKING THEY WANNA KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!
The only problem with the ballyhoo that is growth & development is that there's nothing to do - unless there is. Which is a pretty big problem for g & d when you think about it. You can exercise your mind or body for whatever purpose, but learning karate is not going to make you an enlightened master - it's just going to help you in a fight, maybe it can help you in other ways but nothing you learn - no skill - will take you any further. The enneagram may deepen our understanding of people, but the silly advice that various teachers offer us doesn't do much or we'd all be "healthy." If you wanted to become a healthier 1 or 2 or 3... or 9, what would you do? There is nothing to do. You can't work with your type to overcome it, it's like arm wrestling yourself. True progress comes from pursuing nothingness or as the wisest of sages said: "do not-doing." Try doing _that_ for growth. It's either that or warts and tumors. The same can be said about any system, at least the enneagram is lawful. And it provides insight about ourselves that may help us catch ourselves in the act. This is good for people who are oblivious to their destructive ways, but the people who need it the most are not ready to embrace the truth of it so the value is somewhat dubious. I always saw Light as a 1, but as a 1 myself it's difficult to disregard how powerful his reasoning is. So maybe a head-type after all.
i exploded to this ! clean up in aisle MY PANTS !
Wtf😂
For some reason, people who study typology have become arrogant with their assumptions and everyone forgets to keep an open mind to possibilities, or to have objective and not presumptuous debates.
It is a video that portrays how the community can be toxic where it should be united to have a good understanding of the subject.
Although I have well-established correlations, I always try to explain what I know to people, giving myself the benefit of the doubt, in case someone asks me a question that I don't know the answer to.
We always have to evolve our studies, and for that, several minds are necessary. Great job.
Because the community is genuinely filled with Ti bases and 1L's.
True, though I also think the other way around can apply.
The part about the internal monologue being a better way to identify type. I couldn't agree more. When I type people, the only questions I ask them generally are directly related to their thought process. The things that bother them, their goals, the rationalization of their goals etc.
fantastic video! i especially agree on people often "missing the point" of typing, which is - to me - to improve and learn about yourself, and understand others better
Amazing video, I really enjoy the objectivism you bring it’s very refreshing
I think another aspect to this is the fact that the different types will have different definitions/interpretations based on which author you use.
For example I my opinion Narinjos e8 is a pretty obvious Se dominant type, I really can’t see how Te doms can fit the impulsive, sensory motivated 8 core described by Narinjo. Even Sp 8s (which are described by Narinjo as the most intellectual 8 core in newer material) are still very present focused and materially minded.
Ichazos e8 on the other hand? 100% could be Te dominant, in fact it would be arctypical. One of Ichazos dichotomy’s literally describes 8s and rigid, puritanical, and excessively self punishing-almost 1 like in terms of personality(the other dichotomy describes 8s in the more hedonistic light most of us are more familiar with)
So obviously when you have two people using these two very different systems your gonna get two different correlation charts, and then arguments over those charts that go no where because BOTH are/could be right or wrong depending on the system your using.
i definitely agree w this. i personally like beatrice chestnut's descriptions the most and it definitely produces different perspectives on what different types are
While your never going to get a situation where like, a character is a 7 core in Ichazo and a 2 core in Narinjo-
But you could argue weather Batman is an 8 or sexual 1 core between the two authors.
Like I maybe went to far in saying their entirety different systems-but they are different perspectives-and the perspectives you use are going to effect typings.
@@CoraNeeley no ik what you mean. e.g SO4 is one of those types that are described so differently according to the author. Some say they're overly self-victimising, others say they swallow their poison, some say they're overly altruistic and helpful, some don't. It's quite interesting
@@typhoelogyI have a same problem with this. It always helped me, when I aquired some sort of personality, or description from other people (maybe like valuation), even if they could be little bit wrong, but when it correlated with my current vision of myself... It was the best. But I was never too concerned with fashion and buying clothes etc... I always made a personality or a goal, how I want to be, so everything would be right and that's the way I cope. And people say, I cannot be a 4, that I am a 9, but I am extremely moody (although privately) and I don't find narcotisation as my escape mechanism
Great video, although I’d slightly disagree in 2 areas:
1. These systems will always have external manifestations, but people adhere to descriptions too rigidly and ignore context. Typology is mainly about the ego and delve into *possible* external manifestations, but they aren’t definitive because it’s impossible to be if not for the simple fact that archetypes shift over time with the collective unconscious.
2. I don’t think Typology is science OR pseudoscience and it doesn’t really claim to be. It’s classifying archetypes. People try to incorporate scientific elements and take empirical approaches but in its core typology is built on heuristic categories.
This is a great video. I like your approach to typology and I feel like the typology community could really benefit from this perspective
this is so well explained chris and it needs to be more recognised by typology ppl (specifically typotok)
especially in media bcs its always up to interpretation bca we arent seeing the full picture majority of the time so we will always see and consume things differently
god your channel is so helpful i wish you were there when i was younger & much more obsessed w typology, but im so glad to have found ur channel now
Finally a video that put in words what I've been thinking. This is part of the reason why I just dropped tipology lol
I think that people forget that other can live in different culture that have different social norms
honestly the bad writing thing gets me so muchhhhh when i try to type a character i like. i like edward nygma from gotham and people keep typing him as type 5 and i do think the writers intended that but it really doesnt read like that to me????? he reads like a counterphobic 6 with how most of his relationships with others are like exteremly clingy and loyal when hes attached to them and most of the times hes out his worst is moviated by fear itself. he exposed himself to be a criminal to jim because he had a psychotic break and thought jim gordon knew he killed people and proceeded to frame him for many crimes, he took everything away from oswald after oswald killed his girlfriend because he was scared that oswald never loved or cared about him and just wanted to own him, he strangled his own girlfriend to death without realizaing he was scared of her calling the police and leaving him because he killed her abusive ex boyfriend before they dated, and yet everyone in this fandom and even the writers act like hes moviated by a desire to learn more????? he denies anything that goes against what he thought because hes so convinced that reality is true and when hes loyal to others hes even willing to kill himself, am i going insane??????
i know my thoughts are really jumbled here but like. his major character beats BESIDES LIKE ONE YOU COULD SAY HAVE NEVERRRRRRR BEEN MOVIATED BY AVARICE WHEN IT COMES TO KNOWLEDGE YES HE DOES WANT OTHERS TO THINK HES THE SMARTEST EVER BUT LIKE. SO MANY OF HIS ACTIONS ARE MOVIATED BY A WANT FOR SECURITY HES NOT THIS GENIUS PSYCHOPATH YOU GUYS HES STUPID AS FUCK WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE HE KEEPS GETTING CLINGY OR THINKING THEY WANNA KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!
I’m curious about your personal typology journey!
The only problem with the ballyhoo that is growth & development is that there's nothing to do - unless there is. Which is a pretty big problem for g & d when you think about it.
You can exercise your mind or body for whatever purpose, but learning karate is not going to make you an enlightened master - it's just going to help you in a fight, maybe it can help you in other ways but nothing you learn - no skill - will take you any further.
The enneagram may deepen our understanding of people, but the silly advice that various teachers offer us doesn't do much or we'd all be "healthy." If you wanted to become a healthier 1 or 2 or 3... or 9, what would you do? There is nothing to do. You can't work with your type to overcome it, it's like arm wrestling yourself. True progress comes from pursuing nothingness or as the wisest of sages said: "do not-doing." Try doing _that_ for growth. It's either that or warts and tumors.
The same can be said about any system, at least the enneagram is lawful. And it provides insight about ourselves that may help us catch ourselves in the act. This is good for people who are oblivious to their destructive ways, but the people who need it the most are not ready to embrace the truth of it so the value is somewhat dubious.
I always saw Light as a 1, but as a 1 myself it's difficult to disregard how powerful his reasoning is. So maybe a head-type after all.
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Go chris go - J❤
I'd say Raven's sp 4 not 5, 5 in tritype though
Make more videos pleaseeeeee
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