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I built my room for my stereo. My k- horns fit into comers for them. I double insulated the walls and ceiling nd put dow the expensive vinyl flooring . The natural reverb match my speakers. Plus running a pair of Klipsch Belle’s in back on B- channel gives a bar vibe when you turn them on. If you push them beside each other you have a wall of sound. I couldn’t take anymore musics. At little past quarter volume it becomes live entertainment ! My receiver has been turned on for over a month straight ! It’s Bluetooth to my phone where I listen to utube . It rocks and it is very noticeable changing recordings as different recordings or speakers playing makes a Hugh difference. People say they can’t hear the difference in music on utube? Their stereo must be broken or their speakers not very good. My stuff is from the 70’s air is easily heard ! You keep playing samples . The best are recordings with a Zoom two channel recordings ! They are very clean ! You keep throwing down the hammer ! We are all with you Mikey !!!!
Thanks for this Mickey. Quick clarification pls... Why is it "ridiculous to connect subs through the back of the amp" vs LFE? I have 2 Velodyne and 2 RELs at home for a hybrid 2-channel and HT setup. I followed REL's advice and use my 2-channel amp speaker output to connect my 2 REL's. And I use my HT amp's LFE to connect to the 4 subs' LFE connection. REL claims the best way to integrate subwoofers in 2-channel setup is via speaker output directly (via their neutrik cable). Seeing that REL is quite a respected subwoofer specialist, I'm curious to hear your take on this. Cheers.
These are such awesome informative videos!
Glad you like them!
Guilty as charged. I set it and forgot it. Proud owner of a REL T5X 😂😂
Get involved, Brother !! Your system is better than you think...
@@OCDHIFiGuy, I’ll do that. Thank you so much for helping guide the way for us.
When I used to be a mobile Dj the music gear sales tech told me the exact same information when I bought my Dj rig; active crossover along with a power conditioner, dedicated subs, and separate amps. And I can tell you my rig sounded better than many other wayyyy more expensive Dj rigs. Loved every minute of playing all that great music and rocking the house.
Excellent tutorial Mikey 👌 😊 👌
Thanks! 😃
Fischer & Fischer makes slate loudspeakers.....Beton Art makes concrete loudspeakers, also subwoofers.
Removing the lowest octave or two (via an active line level crossover with 24 dB/octave slope) from the signal going to your amplifier/passive speaker crossover combination has a multitude of benefits, including superior integration between loudspeaker output and subwoofer output/s. Other benefits include smoother frequency response throughout the room, better power handling, and lower distortion.
Thanks sensei. I appreciate your tutelage!
My pleasure!
Please discuss the REL theory of hooking up the sub to the amps binding posts, they suggest it’s the only way to keep them in time with the speakers.
Great way to get started 😊
Eventually acquire a JLA cr-1
active crossover using xlr's
Natural roll-off is not UR friend
@Benvos, it helps them sell more subs because it gives a way for the "ordinary Joe" to hook up subs, even if he's using an old 1986 Sony... smart marketing but how stupid does it sound to you to feed the input of one amp with the high level output of the other. Low line level does not have the high distortion that an amp output does... plus this is the best way to blow up a balanced or class D amp. 👏
LFE is for home cinema and car audio. Why you don't see why a hifi sub speaker connection as a better way of integrating "the back end" eludes me.
I use the Sublime acoustics crossover in diy form, it's called Xkitz. You have to provide your own case but can save quite a bit of money that way. I used an 19" rack case and of course it's a bit more work but if you're diy inclined it's a fun little project. The full version is handier if you want to change settings a lot but for me it's set and forget.
Try Qobuz, Jacques Loussier Trio, BACH "G Minor Fugue"
great stuff, add more parts if you can :)
subwoofer integration has always been a bit of a mess for me over the decades, but i needed the extra bass so i accepted the compromises.
putting a active crossover before the amps feeding the main and subwoofer is a huge benefit.
i went the minidsp SHD studio route, cost 5 times more than the one mentions in the video, now i have access to time daly the mains, in most cases the one thing that is needed for those who can not place the subwoofer anywhere, as active subwoofers have dsp built in and already is delayed.
active help blend drivers better.IMO.
crossover on amp subs should be set higher for smaller subwoofer @ 8" 40hz cutoff prevents heat build up in the cone that cant be disippated quick enough etc...bandpass.
Can you maybe do a video about time-alignment in subwoofer placement? Or maybe there's a different term for it.
The point you mention in de beginning of this video; bass so good you don't feel no need to dial it up or down depending the song? I finally got to that point by placing both my active subwoofers 5.5 feet behind my speakers. I my search for best bass response I even stacked them on the right side once, copying a live 'festival' setup. Was really good bass, vocals sounded better, but the bass still wasn't perfect. And sometimes I missed something on the left, don't know if that was placebo or not.
Somehow one on the left and one on the right, 5.5 feet behind the speakers and a bit further apart than my speakers, sounds the best in my room. Speakers stand 6.8 feet apart, the subwoofers 8.3. But the crossover setting etc never changed. Saving money now to get another pair and stack them again, in stereo this time.
My AVR YAMAHA Aventage A3070 have possibly the 24/12 db octave setup in the menu somewhere.... i have to find it.... with 3 subs it take me time to adjust... with B&W 801 upgraded and Triangle antal esw all sound crazy powerfull.... thank MIKEY !!! LIKE YOUR VIDEO !!!!
You are welcome ! Happy listening !
The final track "Iowa" from the Album Iowa by Slipknot has an insanely deep bass line in about the final outro of the track which is quite relaxing The bass guitar gets so low the subwoofer flutters.
Not with a tight amp it wont... ;-) 😉
@@OCDHIFiGuy haha fair
@@OCDHIFiGuy Mikey, would you recommend the SPL analog subwoofer amp with crossover or is it overpriced?
Do you reckon minidsp gear? basically performing AX and live room correction as well.
I set my sub at 40hz it has a 24db rolloff which means it plays 60hz with -12db . My speakers can reach to 34hz (advertized) so i do have to some intersection at 50hz but the sub would be -6db at 50hz. Seems to be working so far
Good Job !
Mikey, would you please explain why one needs to fiddle with x’over settings on a subwoofer when the system is using an active x’over. Not all folks would have a built-in plate amp with crossover setting on their subwoofer. Why not set the plate amp to bypass the crossover and rely on only the external active crossover settings instead?
Do you use sublimes crossivers at your house mikey?
Placement is Key for Lower Frequencies. Sometimes ( More often than not) the best position is in a completely different position to the mains or where it looks visually cool. I can highly recommend REW and a measurement Mic for this. Also a MINIDSP HD
Agreed. My sub sits in a room null almost parallel with my Chair, well away from my towers. My sub basically augments my towers.
True, though many people don't have the desire to place a sub wherever the heck it sounds best. Even in my personal listening room, I'll take functionality first and simply make subs work in the general area I want them.
What are your Subs of choice? My poison are a set of Rel S510s…but I think my next ones will be JL audio Fathoms.
I dont usually like powered subs, but my choice are the Rythmik Audio servo subs.
Had no idea about the active crossover. Have stereo RELS. they just tell you to use the LFE for home theater
Thank you!
Yes, LFE is the preferred input
Gosh so my head is spinning a bit now
I have an integrated Amp and 2 Rel Subs
Do I just need 1 of those crossover units or 2?
Appreciate you taking the time to respond
@@tomclark7551 You can't do active crossover with an integrated amp unfortunately, I am in the same boat and now may purchase a pre and power to do this.
Great video, Mikey! Q: does one need to fiddle with the subwoofer’s plate amp crossover settings if one is using an upstream active crossover?
Absolutely 💯
@@OCDHIFiGuy
Would you please explain? Not all folks would have a built-in plate amp with crossover setting on their subwoofer. Why not set the plate amp to bypass the crossover and rely on only the external active crossover settings instead?
Just set the sub xover to its max value. There is no need to match the xover point of the sub and active crossovers. You will still want to experiment with phase settings of course.
Mikey, what do u think of Swarm Subwoofer system?
Never heard of it....
For great sound, flexibility and control, you need a three way active crossover, preferably with balanced/ XLR connectors , but this setup needs lot of money!
Depends how nutty you want to go. I use an active, fully differential, fully discrete 4 way analog active crossover.
I have vintage maggies (10qr) and am adding two subs. I am planning on using the speaker in/out on each sub and use the sub to control what frequencies path through to the Maggies. I did not want to use LFE (yes, it is coming through a home theatre processor) or the pre-amp outs for this. Is this logical?
Mikey, I have REL sub that only goes to 37hz. and towers that go down to roughly 32hz. Crossover low? Around 40 or should I go up to 50-55? Or am I doomed to have cancellations? tx
If your towers go to 32 reliably, then use them without subs, especially some that only hit 37. 32 is a very good low frequency response for towers. That should be plenty. You are probably getting cancelation.
Yes, set both at 60hz 😊
20.7s mains & Rel Carbons
JLA cr-1 active crossover
If I understand correctly, Integrated amp Pre-out to the active crossover. Then Low freq sent to powered sub and Mid/high sent back to integrated amp and out to speakers. My question is, the powered sub has its own settings for crossover. Where do you set that? Is this correct?
The sub crossover is a second filter, just use it however it sounds best..
I'm not sure about this, but doesn't the active crossover on the high pass create phase changes that the designer of the speaker did not account for???
There are no phase changes I know of when going active.
Isn't gain different on sub amps vs main amps and the volume changes cause a mismatch ?
Well you set the gain individually (mix) then use the preamp to control volume at your given mix. Or you do what I do, which is use identical stereo amps on each side, so amp gain is matched to begin with. The mix still comes into play and is controlled at the active xover.
Dipole bass, knowing where the modes are w/ a 12 ft ceiling. That's it, decades of confusion over...
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Yes 💯 !! Thank you !
I understand what you say, but for a noob, this is confusing
Love the xover speech! Thats my mindset also. To hell with capitalism......time for mutual beneficial -ism
I don't mind capitalism when it's not run amok with Greed.