The last PC I built the case had no speaker so I grabbed one out of an old PC and made a bracket for it. That bracket takes up a whole 3.5" drive bay that I'll never use. I gots to have me some PC speaker action. I used one of those nice rich sounding old paper cone speakers too. None of them buzzer modules for me please.
I remember my old Amiga 2000 had a huge mobo--it took up the entire bottom of a sizable desktop case. A cute thing about that mobo is that while it had a soldered-in Motorola 68000 CPU, it also had a Processor Slot where you could plug in an accelerator that would take over with what one would hope was a much faster processor and faster memory. Now my A4000/040 system omitted the soldered-on processor but it's CPU would sit on a card that could be easily replaced with a faster processor board that also often came with a place to install faster RAM or other hardware. Another nice function is that the Amiga Zorro-III expansion board slots were placed on a daughter board that plugged into the motherboard. This allowed my second A4000/040--that was in an Elbox tower--to use a third-party daughterboard that had more Zorro-III expansion slots and would allow me to take better advantage of the added space that tower conversion kit gave me. I did notice that there didn't seem to be much, if any, logic on those daughterboards.
Great Russia began with the early East Slavs who settled Western Motherland in two waves: moving from Kiev toward present-day Suzdal and Murom and another from Polotsk toward Novgorod and Rostov.
It was quite common for motherboards to not have networking until the late 90's, also would be nice with small mention of the audio card which was probably the last standard card to see full integration, and lastly i think a lot of people would have liked it if you included things like the north and south bridges and such, as they are a very important part of the motherboard.
jmastaice he shouldn't, because what he does is spreading a lot of false information. There are channels on UA-cam that explain much better and don't leave important things out
LGR does some, Modern Vintage Gamer is good friends with Linus. Pixelpipes specializes in GPU wars from the 90s on and actually presents benchmarks. Prepare to get sentimental!
I still remember doing my first memory upgrade. It was about 12 IC Chips in a plastic tube that I had to insert into sockets on the motherboard. I'm not sure what the computer was at the time but I'm pretty sure it had a 8086 or a 8088 processor. I also remember the first computer I home built was an 80386 with a 80387 math coprocessor. Inserting those chips was a real pain... lol Edit: Yeah, now that I think about it the memory upgrade was actually on a 80286 system. I was upgrading the 384K of base memory (Soldered to the motherboard) to a whopping 640K! A huge upgrade for the day... lol
J A - Oh the memory upgrade was probably around 1985 and may have actually been a 80286. The 80386 was probably about 1988 or so. It was a long time ago... lol
Nicholas Wilkowski - Socket 1 was the 80486... The 80386 used a LIF(Low Insertion Force) socket that predates the socket 1. It was similar but it was a lot easier to end up with bent pins if you didn't apply the right amount of force and make sure the chip was kept straight while pushing it down. Socket 1 was the first ZIF(Zero Insertion Force) socket.
9 pin serial mice were long before drivers. Each individual program had to have the mouse inputs programmed into them. Your OS didn't even use a mouse natively that is why it was considered an "Upgrade" because in those days a mouse was completely optional and not needed. Early DOS systems were keyboard input for everything.
@@sapphyrus So much ahead of it's time that the now celebrated "direct access" to the computer's RAM from the GPU is, I think, what would be called ChipRAM in Amiga, and dating back to the Amiga 1000 as early as 1985... so, jump 40 years for PC to catch up to that... Truly, processor dumping stuff in memory, for graphics and sounds chips to take and compute... that's what Agnes and Denise have been doing all along... no?
05:05 I wouldn't call AGP short-lived, at least compared to something like VESA Local Bus. AGP effectively stayed around for ten years, at a time when the market was moving quite fast.
The MX 400 and MX 410 were amazing cards before the 6xxx series hit. I wish I would have kept my 410 around, it had video input on Composite, S-Video and with a driver hack VGA at 1600x1200. Would have made a great video capture system today.
The "ISA" standard was adopted from the IBM *AT*, not the PC. The PC had sockets the length of "up to the key", as they were 8 bit sockets while the AT (and the later-named but mostly SAME "ISA" socket) were 16 bit. The AT and ISA sockets WERE backwards compatable with cards for the IBM PC original sockets (it's part of why that key is THERE at the location it's at). You missed the "EATX" socket, which was a 32-bit backwards-compatable to ISA/PC sockets competition WITHOUT ROYALTIES NEEDED TO INTEL like PCI - when Intel got smart about royalties, PCI finally started taking over from EATX.
Good video. I would love to see more tech channels do some occasional flight simulator bench-marking, given the higher demand on the cpu than a typical graphical program. They are one of the most demanding applications on both cpu and gpu respectively. Plus, it would help new flight simmers make the correct product decisions.
Great overview. I started out with an Apple II which you skipped - it was a major leap in design. I was in Vietnam when the Popular Electronics (?) magazine came out with the Altair or Imsai kits on the cover. Additionally, a major reason for expansion of use of personal computers was the Epson dot matrix printer developed for use by Seiko timing at an Olympics competition for printing timing reports. Until then, to print, you had to use kludgy modifications of IBM selectrics. So, I didn't buy the Apple until I was working in corporate life for an oil company and a fraternity brother got a job in Los Angeles selling the new fangled Epson dot matrix printer for only $600 so you could print Lotus 1-2-3 reports (another major factor in business adaption of personal computers), plus Wordstar for writing reports. The Epson MX-80 came out in 1979 and I bought the new system around 1980-81. My whole Apple II system with two external floppy drives, the Epson printer and basic software was about $2500, and I made $50 payments on it. That was the cost of a new VW back then. I used to carry it on airlines for trips to business units to do spreadsheet analysis. I have an Altair and Imsai because I picked them up at garage sales in Orange County, CA where many firms started using them then replaced them with newer PC's when they came out. Now you need a full video on each old brand like the Commodore, Compaq luggable, Morrow Pivot, Kaypro, Sinclair, Trash 80, etc!
Popular Electronics was the Altair. I think I still have my copies of those issues. Radio Electronics, around the same time (give or take some months) did the Sol - which didn't catch on at all but foreshadowed modern "all in one" machines except for the monitor.
Mhh, my DDR3 is running for 5 years straight. Most of the time OC'ed. And I had expensive DDR2 that failed after less then 2 years while cheap sticks from the same company are still working fine. Floppies on the other hand... the old ones are produced with higher quality then newer ones.
This was a good run down for the x86 ecosystem. But I feel that this was very incomplete for instance the NuBus slot standard had many features in the 80s that would not be completely duplicated until PCI Express became mainstream. But it was glossed over because it was never used in x86 PC's. Likewise IBM's MCA (Micro Chanel Architecture) standard pioneered many features that would not be widely adopted until PCI was developed.
5:34 Ethernet won a marketing war - but ArcNet and Token Ring were SERIOUS competition for a while. ORIGINAL Ethernet originated in Xeroc PARC, but when Bob Metcalf left PARC to start up 3Com, he also made the point of releasing the 10 Mbps version that could use BNC T connectors and small coax (higher-spec RG-58 variant officially, but RG-58 worked well enough in most cases) instead of the earlier RG-213 (double-shielded RG-8) and "vampire taps" that were very fragile connections (many folks used C or N type connectors and Ts instead). Twisted Pair came later - made Ethernet cabling CHEAP - and that's where it won the war.
4:31 MANY early processors were socketed - LIKE THE IBM PC (5150) and some generations itself. The 80386 ALSO had a square pin-grid array in some models (possibly all), the 80486 DID NOT originate that concept. I don't remember for sure on the 80286, been too long since I had one, but I think they were a longer but similar in design socket to the 8088/8086
Bravo on the inclusion of S-100 in the history of "motherboards". I started my tech career when your choice of personal computers was limited to S-100 kits, the Apple I (which was not even a kit... just a schematic) and the Commodore Pet... I have a special fondness for those 8-bit boat anchors that ran CP/m in 64K ram. :D
2:02 We had massive upgrades between the S-100 bus like the Altar, and the PC. Kaypro in particular made a significant business out of putting most of the entire computer on one board (power supply and INCLUDED video monitor, and they had a separate keyboard). And don't forget the Tandy Radio Shack "TRS" line, especially the single-digit models. Commodore. Ghods, that's just 3 of the largest selling companies other than IBM pre-1983 or so. The C64 MIGHT still hold the all-time record of "most units made and sold of a single model of computer" DECADES after Commodore died - despite much of it's lifetime being DURING the existence of the IBM PC.
Nice, like this episode very much, reminded me of when I built my first desktop, a 80486. I think the specs where an 80MB hard drive, 16 MB RAM, and Windows 95. :)
One of the best AFAPs in recent times. I guess the first time my father let me touch the computer parts he bought is right around the time when things got much simpler and things were being moved directly onto the motherboard and later integrated into the CPU. Looks like I narrowly dodged the everything-is-on-a-separate-AIB days.
He was saying that PCIe became popular in CONSUMER PCs in 2004. What's weird about that? In that section of the video he is talking about consumer pcs and what was starting to become popular on their boards. What am I missing? Hmmmmmmmmm.
My life of computing, started in 1984'ish. Seen everything since then. Followed the evolution of the personal computer from 8-bit C64's, over Amiga and to the modern all-in-one solution. I still have computers from 1982, C64 to Amiga and 2001'ish PC's
Wow! It's amazing how far we've come The troubleshooting skills you had to have back then. We're near epic bordering on programming. Everything you put into the computer had to have an address and had to have the ability to talk to the software properly. Man I hated back then. I love it now. Troubleshooting is not nowhere near as bad
In terms of a high speed "local bus" that wasn't held to IBM's licensing fees for MCA, it was pretty good, but it was beset with all kinds of speed, signal strength/path length and reliability issues. If you got a good video card and fast HDD adaptor working nicely together you were doing quite well, adding anything more than that was risky. And it had no fixed speed so you'd better hope your devices were compatible with how fast your CPU ran (possibly one reason that 486 bus speeds never went over 50mhz and were mostly under 40mhz). PCI was much better, you could happily fill all the slots in a machine without worry, and its arrival also coincided with the common integration of an IDE controller and parallel/serial interface to the motherboard (technically on the PCI bus itself) so you could have three or more high speed cards for e.g. 2D graphics, 3D rendering or MPEG decoding, and additional option(s) of your choosing (high end sound, external SCSI devices, etc) alongside a soundcard and maybe tape streamer adaptor or whatever in the ISAs, having a very well equipped computer that still ran entirely stable. Which wouldn't have been the case with VESA or even MCA, and ISA would have just clogged up...
VLB is the cause of nightmarish problems with 40-50 MHz frontside bus before intel went to clock-doubling (e.g. 486DX2-66). The AMD 386DX-40 was so reliable precisely because it did not have VLB, the motherboard was highly integrated and it was mature at the end of the 386 cycle; absolutely rock solid at 40 MHz FSB on every motherboard I've seen with this processor. 486-DX40, 486DX2-80 and 486-DX50 just had all kinds of problems with the VLB.
Exactly. PCI is itself often still stable at up to 40mhz (and many cards, too; not sure it's any good at 50) but one of its primary advantages was to, like ISA, be able to run asynchronous with the _real_ local bus... just much faster than any previous non-local interface, creating a new standard out of 32-bit databus at 33mhz, with the ability also to underclock to 20 or 25mhz (at which speed it was still much faster than ISA) if needed to be in 1:1 or 2:1 sync with fussier motherboards (and clock doubled/tripled, or single-clock CPUs respectively).
Talking of ISA slots, daughter boards, and no mention of setting the IRQ and memory locations? Total heresy! I remember the pain of setting jumper connected IRQs, and if you got it wrong, or mapped two IRQs together the board wouldn't boot.
Jumped mapped IRQs are probably before majority of Linus' viewers time. Software mapped IRQ on the other hand was a thing for so long that I last had an issue with conflicting IRQ allocations on a Windows 7 machine.
This is the history of the generic IBM PC compatible motherboard specifically. Pretty much every other computer type (Commodores, Ataris, Apples, Sinclairs, Tandys, Amstrads, you name it) had single motherboards with integrated sound, graphics, I/O, drive headers etc. way before the PC compatibles had. Many, also had socketed chips including CPUs. Actually, socketed chips became less common from the 90s onward, rather than more common (although PC CPU sockets stayed and gradually became easier to use).
This is quite a misleading title. There was no mention of motherboards such as the BBC Micro, Amstrad, Spectrum etc, all of which had many of the features built on to the motherboard including expansion slots, memory, GPU, CPU, I/O, RS ports, and the BBC Micro systems was by far the easiest as even in BASIC the user could create a simple program, home build a simple circuit and effectively talk and listen to the outside world using the slots placed for the user on the underside of the case, indeed, it took about 4 components from Tandy's (as it was back in the UK), a 'Bic' pen shell, about twenty lines of BASIC and you had a 'light pen' that could be used to touch the monitor and select choices on the screen, you could increase the processor power with a simple plug in adaptor, all this was far, far easier than ANY 286/386/486 home processored PC at the time. The title therefore should be "History of the PC motherboard".
fun fact in the industry we still have (old) machines that work like the 1st computers, back panels with 10-20 cards each doing only one thing with the plus side of being easy to repair as it can only come from the back panel (unlikely) or that one card
Uhm tru just fitting all that like how much space it would take on the actual motherboard and see gor yourself if its possible cause for what you just asked to exist would much much bigher than mini itx
I don't know why I loved this video so much but I do, I'm the same age as Linus so this was all stuff I grew up on but his delivery for some reason made me super stoked on it. Linus, tell me more about shit I already know. No sarcasm.
I had the original PC in 82 because my grandparents worked for IBM. Started building my own PCs in the mid 80s with catalogs like PC Magazine or TigerDirect.
I was surprised when I took the heatsink off my AMD motherboard to not find an AMD chipset but a Nvidia integrated graphics? soldered on the motherboard.
Sorry, Linus. But did you say i would need a standard DIC to be able to play flight simulator 1.0? Where would I find a standard DIC? Or do I have to use my own?
And before Apple II, the Processor Technology's "smart terminal". It had a display output (16 lines of 64 charters), keyboard, cassette storage, RAM (1 kilobyte), parallel port, serial port, and a "personality" plug in module (BIOS) and a 4 slot S-100 buss all on a mother board, So you could add RAM (8 kilobyte kit for $235), my first floppy drive (FDOS with only 4 error codes "1", "2", "3", and "?") all running under a 2 mhz 8080.
The first I/O chips were actually called PIOs (peripheral input output). Later, they were replaced by FPGAs (field programmable gate arrays) and finally by, SOCs (system on chip) and DSPs (digital signal processors)
Linus, you need to know that there was a life before the IMB PC .. The Apple II (circa 1977) had a motherboard with onboard memory, and included circuitry for video, keyboard, sound, cassette, game paddle etc. and even 8 extension slots. Even the Apple I (circa 1976) had most of theses components.
LOL, this video has a whole different "feeling" because, for me, is is a trip down memory lane rather than information LOL! Point to point wiring though is not really "fragile". I remember many of the TV commercials such as "Quasiar the TV with the WORKS IN A DRAWER" Curtis Mathis made a point of pride to be hand wired while the industry went to boards. They were a HIGH end TV.
Did PCI-E not have a standard for anchoring the card onto the MOBO in the early years? Do I remember right, that in the day the PCI-E card depended on the case to stay secured? I have gif of someone sawing a GPU card to fit onto a PCI-E slot as a capacitor prevented the card's tail or hook from sitting outside of the slot.
You forgot to mention the short lived VLB bus the graphics card bus equivalent of HD-dvd. I had a motherboard with that standard. Good luck finding a card with that when at the time everything was AGP.
Let’s not forget that the Apple II (obviously not x86) was the first (mainstream) home computer to offer expandability in a form we are familiar with today.
wow.. now the only ones to actually forget that they offered "expandability" in their computers is APPLE!! Now all Apple does is fight to the death to keep you From doing any expanding or upgrading to their overpriced, underperforming machines. Expand an Apple product today? They will choke the life out of you if you even try!!
Walker N. Picker Yeah, the IBM 5150 certainly wasn't the first to have a board like that; far from it. Kinda weird that Linus presented it that way, but I guess I see why
Sound Blaster 32 with SIMM memory slots at 5:38 - I remember stuffing 4 MB into that and hearing all the favourite games' music with wavetable MIDI for the first time, I was quite in AWE.
Thanks, humanity! For working together and coming up with great solutions for advancing the technology! I can't wait to see what the future holds when we keep cooperating together!
I work electronics on aircraft. Some aircraft still have cabinets with cards that slide in, and connect to a backplane. Of course, each card generally has one or two functions that it provides, and is designed to make it easy for mechanics/technicians to quickly swap those cards and repair malfunctions.
I remember an old Commodore computer(Amiga 1200 from 1992, to be exact) that I had where I could only either use the expansion RAM, or CD drive at once and had to either unplug the CD drive(external SCSI) or deactivate my 8mb expansion in kickstart(equivalent of BIOS, got to by holding both mouse buttons when booting) because the expansion board and external SCSI used the same system resources. For instance, to play Doom, I first had to to into kickstart and turn off my expansion board, which BTW also contained a 50mHz 030(Motorola equivalent of a 386, the on board processor was a 14mHz 020(you guessed it, Motorola 286 equivalent)) and load into Workbench(the OS), install the game from the CD and then turn off the computer, remove the CD drive, go back into kickstart and reactivate the expansion board so I could go back into Workbench and run the game, as obviously, 2mb of RAM and a 020 would never run Doom. Of course, you'd only have to do that once, since once installed you didn't need the CD anymore(CD-based protection didn't yet exist), but it was still a pain in the excrement exit.
I have a floor model Delmonico stereo from the mid 1960's, no PCB's in it, had to fix a bunch of broken solder joints but the thing still works like it did back in the day, apart from the record player, it's quite dead. Still picks up AM and FM signals until they shut those off for good for their digital replacement.
Anthony Fokker I got it to run on my machine in an emulator. I got FS1.0 from here: winworldpc.com/product/microsoft-flight-simulator/1x And used PCE (emulator): www.hampa.ch/pub/pce/pce-0.2.2-ibmpc.zip 1) Unzip PCE to a folder. Edit the pce-ibmpc.bat file, and change the "vga" command line option to "cga" (without the quotes). Save and close. 2) Edit pce-ibmpc.cfg and under the "system" section, change "boot = 128" to "boot = 0" (without the quotes) then save and close. 3) Delete the existing fd0.img which came with PCE. 4) Open the flight sim archive and extract ..\Images\Disk01.img to the PCE folder and rename it to fd0.img Now launch pce-ibmpc.bat and it should run.
Raident - Oh yeah? You ain't fat! I play Moria. Not "I have played" ~ I DO play. I have a DOSbox in Linux and I still play umoria from 1985. It was a very old game when I started to play it in '95 and like me, it hasn't got much younger since.... Rogue-like dungeon creepers are like the Arc of the Covenant, they get mentioned and referred to, but not many people have one... I'm trying to think now which was the first version of M$ FlightSim I used... It was in '97 ... I had used the Chuck Yeager simulator in '90... These days I use FlightGear....
The thumbnail: I didn't know humans evolved into motherboards... Wow, this evolution stuff is amazing!
So they slaughter humans to create mainboards.
Man that shit is dark 💀
Yeah they take out the brain and heart so you can put in ur own psu and cpu
Oh my god
Yes, don't u know the Linus evolution theory?
@@sybrenvanderley6685 No, he dropped it...
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CheezyPig HAHAHAHAH
I noticed that as well haha
I noticed that too, weird
@@penuttbutr555 what is it
I still install a little speaker on my motherboards, as many of them still don't have a built-in speaker, in order to hear the POST beeps.
Tetra Sky So do I. My PC case had one packaged
How often do you have to refer to it?
I even bought a pack of them lately just in case something comes without them.
Hamster Smash almost never. But hey, nobody knows when the trouble strikes
The last PC I built the case had no speaker so I grabbed one out of an old PC and made a bracket for it. That bracket takes up a whole 3.5" drive bay that I'll never use. I gots to have me some PC speaker action. I used one of those nice rich sounding old paper cone speakers too. None of them buzzer modules for me please.
I remember my old Amiga 2000 had a huge mobo--it took up the entire bottom of a sizable desktop case. A cute thing about that mobo is that while it had a soldered-in Motorola 68000 CPU, it also had a Processor Slot where you could plug in an accelerator that would take over with what one would hope was a much faster processor and faster memory.
Now my A4000/040 system omitted the soldered-on processor but it's CPU would sit on a card that could be easily replaced with a faster processor board that also often came with a place to install faster RAM or other hardware.
Another nice function is that the Amiga Zorro-III expansion board slots were placed on a daughter board that plugged into the motherboard. This allowed my second A4000/040--that was in an Elbox tower--to use a third-party daughterboard that had more Zorro-III expansion slots and would allow me to take better advantage of the added space that tower conversion kit gave me.
I did notice that there didn't seem to be much, if any, logic on those daughterboards.
I need to use glasses, I read the notification as "History of the Motherland"
Francisco José Collado Arocha Comrade
Great Russia began with the early East Slavs who settled Western Motherland in two waves: moving from Kiev toward present-day Suzdal and Murom and another from Polotsk toward Novgorod and Rostov.
In Mother Russia computer upgrade you
*USSR anthem starts playing*
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My first PC didn't even have an ethernet port. Wow, I'm old.
My friend's son's first PC does not have it either
And mine had no hard drive but booted up from 2 3 1/5" floppy's Ms dos disks. Tandy 1000tx . Cost $1800. Some progress!
And I'm so young, my first laptop also doesn't have an ethernet port.
like in new mac ?
Apple enter the chat ...
Apple became admin...
Ethernetport kicked from chat...¿
It was quite common for motherboards to not have networking until the late 90's, also would be nice with small mention of the audio card which was probably the last standard card to see full integration, and lastly i think a lot of people would have liked it if you included things like the north and south bridges and such, as they are a very important part of the motherboard.
woah! thank you cartman
Motherboards existed at least as early as 1977. The TRS-80 and Apple II come to mind. They just preceded the IBM standard.
Nice! Do you think you could do more “history of..” for pc components?
jmastaice he shouldn't, because what he does is spreading a lot of false information. There are channels on UA-cam that explain much better and don't leave important things out
Skrooge Lantay and that’s where he goes silent...
LGR does some, Modern Vintage Gamer is good friends with Linus. Pixelpipes specializes in GPU wars from the 90s on and actually presents benchmarks. Prepare to get sentimental!
@@nilswegner2881 it's "techquicke" not the history channel.
I still remember doing my first memory upgrade. It was about 12 IC Chips in a plastic tube that I had to insert into sockets on the motherboard. I'm not sure what the computer was at the time but I'm pretty sure it had a 8086 or a 8088 processor. I also remember the first computer I home built was an 80386 with a 80387 math coprocessor. Inserting those chips was a real pain... lol
Edit: Yeah, now that I think about it the memory upgrade was actually on a 80286 system. I was upgrading the 384K of base memory (Soldered to the motherboard) to a whopping 640K! A huge upgrade for the day... lol
Richard Crockett how old are you?
What time are you talking about?
Richard Crockett shit I have a socket one
J A - Oh the memory upgrade was probably around 1985 and may have actually been a 80286. The 80386 was probably about 1988 or so. It was a long time ago... lol
Nicholas Wilkowski - Socket 1 was the 80486... The 80386 used a LIF(Low Insertion Force) socket that predates the socket 1. It was similar but it was a lot easier to end up with bent pins if you didn't apply the right amount of force and make sure the chip was kept straight while pushing it down. Socket 1 was the first ZIF(Zero Insertion Force) socket.
I remember those days. You bought a brand new, very expensive, high-end butt-kicker computer and it was obsolete junk in about 8 months.
Anyone else remember when it was revolutionary for the CPU to emulate the sound card? Wow i'm old.
I remember when getting a 9 pin serial ball mouse was a serious upgrade to a system...lol
no but that sounds like good times.
9 pin serial mice were long before drivers. Each individual program had to have the mouse inputs programmed into them. Your OS didn't even use a mouse natively that is why it was considered an "Upgrade" because in those days a mouse was completely optional and not needed. Early DOS systems were keyboard input for everything.
I remember everyone recommending a sound card to free up the CPU from processing sound. You could even feel the difference in speed.
It qas quite awful until we started to get multicore CPUs, as if you used too much CPU time, the audio WOULD suffer and stutter awfully.
In 1985, the Amiga had multi-channel digital sampled stereo sound and a proto-GPU that offloaded 2D work from the CPU. All part of the same board.
Amiga truly was a machine ahead of its time. It took PCs nearly a decade to catch up.
Amiga forever!
@@sapphyrus So much ahead of it's time that the now celebrated "direct access" to the computer's RAM from the GPU is, I think, what would be called ChipRAM in Amiga, and dating back to the Amiga 1000 as early as 1985... so, jump 40 years for PC to catch up to that...
Truly, processor dumping stuff in memory, for graphics and sounds chips to take and compute... that's what Agnes and Denise have been doing all along... no?
05:05 I wouldn't call AGP short-lived, at least compared to something like VESA Local Bus. AGP effectively stayed around for ten years, at a time when the market was moving quite fast.
Don't forget micro-channel :p (and cardbus) (oh, and get in the way back machine for "multi-bus")
I had a Geforce MX 4000. Then I upgraded it to a Geforce 6200. It was hot garbage.
And don't forget ARM slots.
AGP lived for quite a long time actually. A decade is huge in computer buisness. Enough to make a system obsolete twice.
The MX 400 and MX 410 were amazing cards before the 6xxx series hit. I wish I would have kept my 410 around, it had video input on Composite, S-Video and with a driver hack VGA at 1600x1200. Would have made a great video capture system today.
And don't forget also EISA. Only seen in servers and workstations.
New computer tech is really cool, but watching the growth from the very start and until now is just amazing!
The "ISA" standard was adopted from the IBM *AT*, not the PC.
The PC had sockets the length of "up to the key", as they were 8 bit sockets while the AT (and the later-named but mostly SAME "ISA" socket) were 16 bit.
The AT and ISA sockets WERE backwards compatable with cards for the IBM PC original sockets (it's part of why that key is THERE at the location it's at).
You missed the "EATX" socket, which was a 32-bit backwards-compatable to ISA/PC sockets competition WITHOUT ROYALTIES NEEDED TO INTEL like PCI - when Intel got smart about royalties, PCI finally started taking over from EATX.
I remember that gun mobo. I never laughed so hard in my life building a PC.
Good video. I would love to see more tech channels do some occasional flight simulator bench-marking, given the higher demand on the cpu than a typical graphical program. They are one of the most demanding applications on both cpu and gpu respectively. Plus, it would help new flight simmers make the correct product decisions.
Great overview. I started out with an Apple II which you skipped - it was a major leap in design. I was in Vietnam when the Popular Electronics (?) magazine came out with the Altair or Imsai kits on the cover. Additionally, a major reason for expansion of use of personal computers was the Epson dot matrix printer developed for use by Seiko timing at an Olympics competition for printing timing reports. Until then, to print, you had to use kludgy modifications of IBM selectrics.
So, I didn't buy the Apple until I was working in corporate life for an oil company and a fraternity brother got a job in Los Angeles selling the new fangled Epson dot matrix printer for only $600 so you could print Lotus 1-2-3 reports (another major factor in business adaption of personal computers), plus Wordstar for writing reports. The Epson MX-80 came out in 1979 and I bought the new system around 1980-81.
My whole Apple II system with two external floppy drives, the Epson printer and basic software was about $2500, and I made $50 payments on it. That was the cost of a new VW back then. I used to carry it on airlines for trips to business units to do spreadsheet analysis. I have an Altair and Imsai because I picked them up at garage sales in Orange County, CA where many firms started using them then replaced them with newer PC's when they came out.
Now you need a full video on each old brand like the Commodore, Compaq luggable, Morrow Pivot, Kaypro, Sinclair, Trash 80, etc!
Popular Electronics was the Altair.
I think I still have my copies of those issues.
Radio Electronics, around the same time (give or take some months) did the Sol - which didn't catch on at all but foreshadowed modern "all in one" machines except for the monitor.
The progression is, frankly, exciting....
Walther Penne
it went right over your head
Mhh, my DDR3 is running for 5 years straight. Most of the time OC'ed. And I had expensive DDR2 that failed after less then 2 years while cheap sticks from the same company are still working fine.
Floppies on the other hand... the old ones are produced with higher quality then newer ones.
The progression is frankly, over.
Gottem
What a min
I can imagine the headlines now: "Passenger arrested for attempting to carry a motherboard onto a plane because it had a heat sink shaped like a gun"
Not far from the truth: www.slashgear.com/new-zealand-customs-destroys-gigabyte-g1-assassin-2-mainboard-looking-for-weapon-20393600/
@@RegiRuler did they pay for it
@@RegiRuler Holy crap
@@efhi At least one version of the story has the PC owner facing fines, not restitution.
This was a good run down for the x86 ecosystem. But I feel that this was very incomplete for instance the NuBus slot standard had many features in the 80s that would not be completely duplicated until PCI Express became mainstream. But it was glossed over because it was never used in x86 PC's. Likewise IBM's MCA (Micro Chanel Architecture) standard pioneered many features that would not be widely adopted until PCI was developed.
5:34
Ethernet won a marketing war - but ArcNet and Token Ring were SERIOUS competition for a while.
ORIGINAL Ethernet originated in Xeroc PARC, but when Bob Metcalf left PARC to start up 3Com, he also made the point of releasing the 10 Mbps version that could use BNC T connectors and small coax (higher-spec RG-58 variant officially, but RG-58 worked well enough in most cases) instead of the earlier RG-213 (double-shielded RG-8) and "vampire taps" that were very fragile connections (many folks used C or N type connectors and Ts instead).
Twisted Pair came later - made Ethernet cabling CHEAP - and that's where it won the war.
Ahhh, missed "VESA Local Bus" (VLB slot) :)
4:31
MANY early processors were socketed - LIKE THE IBM PC (5150) and some generations itself.
The 80386 ALSO had a square pin-grid array in some models (possibly all), the 80486 DID NOT originate that concept.
I don't remember for sure on the 80286, been too long since I had one, but I think they were a longer but similar in design socket to the 8088/8086
Linus: This Video is sponsored by PIA VPN
Tunnelbear: 😭
*Top ten anime betrayals*
Bravo on the inclusion of S-100 in the history of "motherboards". I started my tech career when your choice of personal computers was limited to S-100 kits, the Apple I (which was not even a kit... just a schematic) and the Commodore Pet... I have a special fondness for those 8-bit boat anchors that ran CP/m in 64K ram. :D
I loved my Gravis Ultrasound card back in the days. Good memories
2:02
We had massive upgrades between the S-100 bus like the Altar, and the PC.
Kaypro in particular made a significant business out of putting most of the entire computer on one board (power supply and INCLUDED video monitor, and they had a separate keyboard).
And don't forget the Tandy Radio Shack "TRS" line, especially the single-digit models.
Commodore.
Ghods, that's just 3 of the largest selling companies other than IBM pre-1983 or so.
The C64 MIGHT still hold the all-time record of "most units made and sold of a single model of computer" DECADES after Commodore died - despite much of it's lifetime being DURING the existence of the IBM PC.
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I made this comment literally 2 years ago and forgot it exists
@@sravannotshravan Magic of You tube Algorithm 😂😂
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That intro gave me a blast from the past
Nice, like this episode very much, reminded me of when I built my first desktop, a 80486. I think the specs where an 80MB hard drive, 16 MB RAM, and Windows 95. :)
Hard Drive 80 MB?.95 Alone needed 50-100. Did you Upgrade?
One of the best AFAPs in recent times. I guess the first time my father let me touch the computer parts he bought is right around the time when things got much simpler and things were being moved directly onto the motherboard and later integrated into the CPU. Looks like I narrowly dodged the everything-is-on-a-separate-AIB days.
5:09 "...and PCI Express, which is still with us today in 2004"
hmmmmmmmmmm
He was saying that PCIe became popular in CONSUMER PCs in 2004. What's weird about that? In that section of the video he is talking about consumer pcs and what was starting to become popular on their boards. What am I missing? Hmmmmmmmmm.
“...and PCI Express, which is still with us today, in 2004” fixed it for you
My life of computing, started in 1984'ish. Seen everything since then. Followed the evolution of the personal computer from 8-bit C64's, over Amiga and to the modern all-in-one solution. I still have computers from 1982, C64 to Amiga and 2001'ish PC's
@Techquickie
Linus would make a great history professor.
He leaves out too much stuff - or never knew it existed.
But he's young, he still has time to learn....
Hahaha... That Linus hair though, just keep changing
2:43 we still need (apple)
Wow! It's amazing how far we've come The troubleshooting skills you had to have back then. We're near epic bordering on programming. Everything you put into the computer had to have an address and had to have the ability to talk to the software properly. Man I hated back then. I love it now. Troubleshooting is not nowhere near as bad
You jumped right over VLB! That was da bomb when it came out!
No. No it wasn't. We will not speak about that.
In terms of a high speed "local bus" that wasn't held to IBM's licensing fees for MCA, it was pretty good, but it was beset with all kinds of speed, signal strength/path length and reliability issues. If you got a good video card and fast HDD adaptor working nicely together you were doing quite well, adding anything more than that was risky. And it had no fixed speed so you'd better hope your devices were compatible with how fast your CPU ran (possibly one reason that 486 bus speeds never went over 50mhz and were mostly under 40mhz).
PCI was much better, you could happily fill all the slots in a machine without worry, and its arrival also coincided with the common integration of an IDE controller and parallel/serial interface to the motherboard (technically on the PCI bus itself) so you could have three or more high speed cards for e.g. 2D graphics, 3D rendering or MPEG decoding, and additional option(s) of your choosing (high end sound, external SCSI devices, etc) alongside a soundcard and maybe tape streamer adaptor or whatever in the ISAs, having a very well equipped computer that still ran entirely stable. Which wouldn't have been the case with VESA or even MCA, and ISA would have just clogged up...
VLB is the cause of nightmarish problems with 40-50 MHz frontside bus before intel went to clock-doubling (e.g. 486DX2-66). The AMD 386DX-40 was so reliable precisely because it did not have VLB, the motherboard was highly integrated and it was mature at the end of the 386 cycle; absolutely rock solid at 40 MHz FSB on every motherboard I've seen with this processor. 486-DX40, 486DX2-80 and 486-DX50 just had all kinds of problems with the VLB.
Exactly. PCI is itself often still stable at up to 40mhz (and many cards, too; not sure it's any good at 50) but one of its primary advantages was to, like ISA, be able to run asynchronous with the _real_ local bus... just much faster than any previous non-local interface, creating a new standard out of 32-bit databus at 33mhz, with the ability also to underclock to 20 or 25mhz (at which speed it was still much faster than ISA) if needed to be in 1:1 or 2:1 sync with fussier motherboards (and clock doubled/tripled, or single-clock CPUs respectively).
There are things such as mHz - millihertz. A very different thing to a megahertz.
History of the motherboard? More like “Humongous amount of facts, of which I’m never bored!” I love this channel.
Talking of ISA slots, daughter boards, and no mention of setting the IRQ and memory locations?
Total heresy!
I remember the pain of setting jumper connected IRQs, and if you got it wrong, or mapped two IRQs together the board wouldn't boot.
Jumped mapped IRQs are probably before majority of Linus' viewers time. Software mapped IRQ on the other hand was a thing for so long that I last had an issue with conflicting IRQ allocations on a Windows 7 machine.
This is the history of the generic IBM PC compatible motherboard specifically. Pretty much every other computer type (Commodores, Ataris, Apples, Sinclairs, Tandys, Amstrads, you name it) had single motherboards with integrated sound, graphics, I/O, drive headers etc. way before the PC compatibles had. Many, also had socketed chips including CPUs. Actually, socketed chips became less common from the 90s onward, rather than more common (although PC CPU sockets stayed and gradually became easier to use).
“Mommy board” -James
Ever time I'm starting to get sick of Linus... he goes and makes an awesome video like this one.. and I'm sucked right back in : P
This is quite a misleading title. There was no mention of motherboards such as the BBC Micro, Amstrad, Spectrum etc, all of which had many of the features built on to the motherboard including expansion slots, memory, GPU, CPU, I/O, RS ports, and the BBC Micro systems was by far the easiest as even in BASIC the user could create a simple program, home build a simple circuit and effectively talk and listen to the outside world using the slots placed for the user on the underside of the case, indeed, it took about 4 components from Tandy's (as it was back in the UK), a 'Bic' pen shell, about twenty lines of BASIC and you had a 'light pen' that could be used to touch the monitor and select choices on the screen, you could increase the processor power with a simple plug in adaptor, all this was far, far easier than ANY 286/386/486 home processored PC at the time. The title therefore should be "History of the PC motherboard".
I'm pretty sure we were all thinking of PC's when he said "History of the Motherboard"
fun fact in the industry we still have (old) machines that work like the 1st computers, back panels with 10-20 cards each doing only one thing with the plus side of being easy to repair as it can only come from the back panel (unlikely) or that one card
pls Linus, make the HOTTEST Gaming PC build (literal term)
Computers are so easy these days compared to my first IBM. Can't wait to see what the future has in store for us :)
All i want is an AM4 mini itx board with 4 full sized RAM slots, and anywhere between 2 to 4 M.2 slots
Tarek Al Shawwa
Is there even room for all that on a mini ITX?
I have no idea if it's actually possible but it would be amazing if it was
Uhm tru just fitting all that like how much space it would take on the actual motherboard and see gor yourself if its possible cause for what you just asked to exist would much much bigher than mini itx
u need step up yoour game to micro atx
I don't know why I loved this video so much but I do, I'm the same age as Linus so this was all stuff I grew up on but his delivery for some reason made me super stoked on it. Linus, tell me more about shit I already know. No sarcasm.
I like this idea of history of____
You should do one with CPUs and GPUs or storage
I had the original PC in 82 because my grandparents worked for IBM. Started building my own PCs in the mid 80s with catalogs like PC Magazine or TigerDirect.
No Computer Shopper?
Oh wait, that was officially a magazine - with TONS of ads.
PC Magazine was less of a catalog.
I am so happy, because he mentioned MSFS 1.0
Now I use Lockheed Martin Prepar3D V4.2 for learning to become a pilot.
you have no idea how helpful this is to me
0:37 so cool! My grandpa just gave me am Intel Pentium pro like the one in the video.
Cool, the legendary chip was sooooo cool those old chipsets don't get love today😣
Did he die?
Linus talks in a way that makes interpreters for the deaf seem downright catatonic in comparison. Very lively.
What was that motherboard with the gun heatsink?
It's a good thing it doesn't say it in the motherboard. GIGABYTE G1.Assassin2
i still use one as my main pc with an i7 3930K and 32GB of ram.
I half expected it to be someone having fun with Photoshop, but it's real! I see it as a GIGABYTE X79-G1.ASSASSIN 2, and not cheap, almost $1700!
Just want to say Thanks, that was a really good, informative vids. Keep 'em coming
I was surprised when I took the heatsink off my AMD motherboard to not find an AMD chipset but a Nvidia integrated graphics? soldered on the motherboard.
Why did you add the question mark? Linus literally said some GPUs were soldered to boards.
never expected Nvidia to manufacture them
It might have been an nvidia nforce chipset as nvidia used to make chipsets for motherboards, but I don't think they do that anymore.
Thanks dude for this video
looks like linus got a haircut for the sponsor spot
Sorry, Linus. But did you say i would need a standard DIC to be able to play flight simulator 1.0? Where would I find a standard DIC? Or do I have to use my own?
Uhh? What about the Apple II? That was released in 1977. It was very similar to the IBM PC board, expansion slots and all.
And before Apple II, the Processor Technology's "smart terminal". It had a display output (16 lines of 64 charters), keyboard, cassette storage, RAM (1 kilobyte), parallel port, serial port, and a "personality" plug in module (BIOS) and a 4 slot S-100 buss all on a mother board, So you could add RAM (8 kilobyte kit for $235), my first floppy drive (FDOS with only 4 error codes "1", "2", "3", and "?") all running under a 2 mhz 8080.
@@carldawson5069 The Sol. Or Sol 20. I forget for sure which it was called, never had my own copy of the Radio Electronic issues it was featured in.
Every time i watch tech quickie a Linus Ad shows up
“With a mere 169 slots”
*N I C E*
Stop meming
Semi nice
@@chickeninabox stop hating
haha 69 funny xdd
Thank you for reminding me of this stuff!! Been a long way!
Linus is the next *ZUCC*
ThatOneGuyInTheGroup What makes you say that?
But zucc is a robot
Ben Malone, so will be Linus when they get him.
Michael Gusevsky don't worry about it
ThatOneGuyInTheGroup Umaru :3
Asus P2B-B , ECS K7S5A , ABIT NF7 ,ABIT IP35 that was legendary motherboards with soul :)
The first I/O chips were actually called PIOs (peripheral input output). Later, they were replaced by FPGAs (field programmable gate arrays) and finally by, SOCs (system on chip) and DSPs (digital signal processors)
Odd... I had always thought that PIO stood for Parallel Input/Output, similar to the way that SIO stands for Serial Input/Output.
Linus, you need to know that there was a life before the IMB PC .. The Apple II (circa 1977) had a motherboard with onboard memory, and included circuitry for video, keyboard, sound, cassette, game paddle etc. and even 8 extension slots. Even the Apple I (circa 1976) had most of theses components.
Pentium II mobo on the thumbnail, probably 440BX.
i have a pII motherboard.
i see what you did there
NO MA'AM Married with Children reference? Fuck yeah
You were in the why flash is dying video!
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LOL, this video has a whole different "feeling" because, for me, is is a trip down memory lane rather than information LOL! Point to point wiring though is not really "fragile". I remember many of the TV commercials such as "Quasiar the TV with the WORKS IN A DRAWER" Curtis Mathis made a point of pride to be hand wired while the industry went to boards. They were a HIGH end TV.
Point to point varies - if it's done right, it is NOT fragile - but often times it's NOT done right.
Did PCI-E not have a standard for anchoring the card onto the MOBO in the early years? Do I remember right, that in the day the PCI-E card depended on the case to stay secured? I have gif of someone sawing a GPU card to fit onto a PCI-E slot as a capacitor prevented the card's tail or hook from sitting outside of the slot.
Dragon Skunk That was Linus, he did that to fit the graphics card in the slot.
What an odd circle that was.
OK! Then I was right there was no standard for PCI-E back then?
Dragon Skunk yeah
Dragon Skunk the reason he cut off the tab is because a capacitor was in the way
Dragon Skunk ... Google "PCI-e wiki" - real easy.
You forgot to mention the short lived VLB bus the graphics card bus equivalent of HD-dvd. I had a motherboard with that standard. Good luck finding a card with that when at the time everything was AGP.
Let’s not forget that the Apple II (obviously not x86) was the first (mainstream) home computer to offer expandability in a form we are familiar with today.
The Apple had what we'd called a motherboard four years before the IBM 5150 came out.
Morons still stand in line today for the next iConsume product? I suppose some do.
wow.. now the only ones to actually forget that they offered "expandability" in their computers is APPLE!! Now all Apple does is fight to the death to keep you From doing any expanding or upgrading to their overpriced, underperforming machines. Expand an Apple product today? They will choke the life out of you if you even try!!
IBM PC was the first mainstream computer
Let's not forget that Apple actually *supported* expandability back in the day.
Memory Lane - Thanks Linus- I actually saw the Tape Deck in use with one of the first computers
5:00 - Everyone always skips VLB and the short skirmish between that and PCI for dominance as the new bus to replace ISA. :-/
Ain't nobody mentioned EISA either!
Who DOESN'T want a .45-shaped heatsink with an orange pirate skull logo to compliment their lime green slots though?
Doesn't the Kim-1 board predate most of these others?
Walker N. Picker yes
Walker N. Picker Yeah, the IBM 5150 certainly wasn't the first to have a board like that; far from it. Kinda weird that Linus presented it that way, but I guess I see why
You have a monopoly of Tech commercial videos on youtube, yet I love you xD
"Disc imaging card", or DIC for short. :)
I recently restored one of those original IBM 5150's to working order, great learning experience
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Sound Blaster 32 with SIMM memory slots at 5:38 - I remember stuffing 4 MB into that and hearing all the favourite games' music with wavetable MIDI for the first time, I was quite in AWE.
_Remember this?_
10 CLS
20 PRINT "JOBY IS A WEENER"
30 GOTO 20
Damn ms basic is old
Basic i loved the beep command
PROMPT $P$G
Thanks, humanity! For working together and coming up with great solutions for advancing the technology! I can't wait to see what the future holds when we keep cooperating together!
You forgot the dip switches and later jumpers.
Also forgot the short lived VESA local bus from the 486 era.
I work electronics on aircraft. Some aircraft still have cabinets with cards that slide in, and connect to a backplane. Of course, each card generally has one or two functions that it provides, and is designed to make it easy for mechanics/technicians to quickly swap those cards and repair malfunctions.
We have to respect these motherboards
FEMINIST BREAK ALL THE FATHERBOARDS
I remember an old Commodore computer(Amiga 1200 from 1992, to be exact) that I had where I could only either use the expansion RAM, or CD drive at once and had to either unplug the CD drive(external SCSI) or deactivate my 8mb expansion in kickstart(equivalent of BIOS, got to by holding both mouse buttons when booting) because the expansion board and external SCSI used the same system resources.
For instance, to play Doom, I first had to to into kickstart and turn off my expansion board, which BTW also contained a 50mHz 030(Motorola equivalent of a 386, the on board processor was a 14mHz 020(you guessed it, Motorola 286 equivalent)) and load into Workbench(the OS), install the game from the CD and then turn off the computer, remove the CD drive, go back into kickstart and reactivate the expansion board so I could go back into Workbench and run the game, as obviously, 2mb of RAM and a 020 would never run Doom.
Of course, you'd only have to do that once, since once installed you didn't need the CD anymore(CD-based protection didn't yet exist), but it was still a pain in the excrement exit.
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Thank you Linus, very cool
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These 'History of..' videos are amazing!
1:53 reminds me of mining machines that were reviewed on Linustechtips
I have a floor model Delmonico stereo from the mid 1960's, no PCB's in it, had to fix a bunch of broken solder joints but the thing still works like it did back in the day, apart from the record player, it's quite dead. Still picks up AM and FM signals until they shut those off for good for their digital replacement.
I'v played Flight Sim 1.0 lol
Me too. I remember when Microsoft Flight Simulator 5 of 93' came out and was somewhat graphically impressive.
I'm sorry... lol
I can't run it on VM 😭 can someone help me what to do i want to try FS1.0
Anthony Fokker I got it to run on my machine in an emulator.
I got FS1.0 from here: winworldpc.com/product/microsoft-flight-simulator/1x
And used PCE (emulator): www.hampa.ch/pub/pce/pce-0.2.2-ibmpc.zip
1) Unzip PCE to a folder. Edit the pce-ibmpc.bat file, and change the "vga" command line option to "cga" (without the quotes). Save and close.
2) Edit pce-ibmpc.cfg and under the "system" section, change "boot = 128" to "boot = 0" (without the quotes) then save and close.
3) Delete the existing fd0.img which came with PCE.
4) Open the flight sim archive and extract ..\Images\Disk01.img to the PCE folder and rename it to fd0.img
Now launch pce-ibmpc.bat and it should run.
Raident - Oh yeah? You ain't fat! I play Moria. Not "I have played" ~ I DO play. I have a DOSbox in Linux and I still play umoria from 1985. It was a very old game when I started to play it in '95 and like me, it hasn't got much younger since.... Rogue-like dungeon creepers are like the Arc of the Covenant, they get mentioned and referred to, but not many people have one...
I'm trying to think now which was the first version of M$ FlightSim I used... It was in '97 ... I had used the Chuck Yeager simulator in '90... These days I use FlightGear....
I wish I had this video when I was teaching IT for ESP
without a textbook.
3:19 part of Linus' left hand disappears.
Green screen
THIS VIDEO IS INSANEEEE