Before anybody calls me on it let me correct myself please. Carmine Appice was the phenomenal drummer and Tim Bogert the incredible bassist. They gelled so well in this and Cactus and their trio effort with Jeff Beck that I will always stand in awe of their raw energy and musical skill. What a combination . . .
Production is horrible, but back then you were happy to listen to any good rock through your RCA's 6" speaker and be happy about it. Kudos to Mike Douglas for having good bands on his show (even though the producers were apparently on drugs).
"Music that all ages can enjoy". I'm sure that most of the audience just hated this performance but the thing was that talk shows and variety shows back then had to appeal to everyone because there were basically only 3 or 4 channels. So you'd see things like Vanilla Fudge on Mike Douglas, Jimi Hendrix on the Tonight Show (guest hosted by Flip Wilson), the Doors on Ed Sullivan, etc. (Except I don't remember Merv Griffin having any rock acts on the show, he was too Vegas-y.) I loved that stuff, my parents hated it, they loved Vic Damone, I couldn't stand him, those family TV evenings were actually pretty strange compared to how things work today.
Few bands can boast the talent and high level of musianship of the Fudge. I was lucky enough to see them live a few times over the years , most recently in February 2019 "On the Blues Cruise" hosted by Moody Blues Justin Hayward. The Fudge continues to sound and play at the highest level, LOUD an proud and told some great stories in between songs. Always loved them and continue to do so. if you can check them out live as they still tour!
This is too hip! Man the fudge scared a lot of folks to death!!! And say what you will about Mike Douglas, but know that he always knew what was happening and what was cutting edge and what deserved a chance. He gave a lot of cats early exposure and he was a hell of a producer as well. What an era it was...
Don't think he was a tool. He just came from a very conservative showbiz tradition. I give him a lot of credit for having a lot of rock bands on his show, not to mention scoring some memorable interviews with John and Yoko.
Vanilla Fudge was a ground breaking group at the time... no one came close to the technical level of playing at the time. Later, in Cacus, Bogart and Appice went back to the roots taking 8 bar blues and three chord progressions to new heights. (Guiltless Glider is a group mimic of a drummer's paradiddle rudiment played by all.) Hot -n-Sweaty was a reformed group which had an organ added which I thought at the time would have been more commercially successful. BBA and DBA are exceptional.
mike needs to LOOK NO FURTHER than his own "special effects" dept. for the pot smokers!!! (mike was MASTERFUL - how i MISS this show...) thx. for posting!
Saw these guys first in 1968-69 at the Electric Factory in Phila.with the members of the band I was in - we all loved the Vanilla Fudge ! That was right at the bands beginning to get known that believe it or not Carmine was setting up his own drums !! - though I'm sure Carmine would never admit to it :>) Later I saw them at Phila Convention Center during a nasty snow storm where only about a quarter of the audience showed up. Tim Boggart thanked those that did show and promised that the they were going to make all our troubles attending worth it. That was a promise kept as they put on an absolute killer show ... their individual solos in their ' Break Song ' were just nuts, especially Boggart as nobody was doing the shit he was doing on bass back then. Boggart never got the recognition he deserved. Saw them again at the Phila Spectrum and after the Fudge broke up I saw Cactus at an outside rock concert in Phila. with Carmine and Boggart never sounding so good together ! What great days they were with all these new, progressive bands performing. All this was while still in high school
For Vanilla Fudge to make several appearances on American TV in those days was a bit like if Led Zeppelin or Cream were to do the same thing, with all their loud amplification blasting middle aged viewers, until you realise these were local guys from New York who just happened to be in the neighborhood and were more than happy to do it. And if you thnk this is shocking---try watching Iggy Pop on a Dinah Shore show several years later!
mostly stupid comments...FANTASTIC PLAYERS, and bless Carmine's heart for continuing to reenact this and Cactus..."Near The Beginning" s live side is one of the heaviest things ever recorded....
When people talk about bassist who broke out of the mold there's always John Entwistle of course, Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, etc. all of whom I admire, but we tend to forget about Tim Bogert who was way outside the mold too at the same time if not before.
This shit was being broadcast at 4:00 where I lived....pretty damn heavy for folks that haven't had their after work martini yet! Tim Bogert was a beast.
do not forget that Carmine Appice influenced great drummers like Bonzo bonhan and Ian Paice. John Lord said in an interview that Deep Purple was frankly imitating Vanilla Fudge in their early albums. about not having own songs ... well, the versions of the songs were so different that the original... parts were instrumental compositions on compositions. think about it
This is great but there used to be a clip of this song from the Ed Sullivan show that I think was a little better version. Though, blurry, it wasn't completely obscured by psychedelic effects, and the camera stayed on Tim Bogert while he does his trip out bass solo part. Truly awesome. Sent chills up my spine. I'm having trouble finding it now.
You might think so, but he had lots of bands on his show playing LIVE that wouldn't have gotten that kind of exposure elsewhere. And John Lennon spent a few days on Douglas' show in the early Seventies.
Peter Baum - Right on, I've seen various Mike Douglas show band performance videos on UA-cam recorded between 1964 - 1976, I've seen the Rolling Stones, Frank Zappa, The Lemon Piper's, Eric Burdon and the Animals, to name a few. He tried to show contemporary Rock acts without suddenly morphing himself into a Nehru jacket / medallion wearing middle aged swinger. Zappa and Lennon wouldn't have appeared on his show if they thought Mike Douglas was a jerk, they obviously liked him, notice when he asked Mark Stein - Fudges organist about their fan's smoking Pot and listening to their music , it was a serious not sensationalist question 👍🎹🥁🎸😎
And the Gods Made .......... Vanilla Fudge .... he he he .... wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww
I love their sound, never a fan of the harmonic vocals though but the backbone of their more obscure cuts was pretty heavy. Carmine Appice was in his prime here and solid up until the sounds of drums changed around 75. Not an 80's fan so much of him but you have to remember music changed. The real funk swing was gone by 75.
Love the song, the performance was outstanding and would have been an overwhelming display of talent that we ALL could have enjoyed that much more if the producer, director or camera person hadn't been trying to show off their "psychedelic" production skills and blotting out the players. I mean Carmine Appice wailing out lead lines on his bass! Does it get much better? Hope there's some raw footage somewhere. Still it was great to see these guys in action.
Yeah I get high listening to the first Vanilla Fudge album. No drugs though. I seriously dought you can play or sing one third as well as these guys in their prime(or do them at the same time). You are however the world's greatest authority on what YOU like. The Monkees maybe? Peace.
The man put Vanilla Fudge (live mind you -- no miming here) on his television program for thousands of people to see.... you should consider editing your definition of a 'tool'.
What a jerk question Douglas asked about the pot smoking. you never heard him ask Jazz players how many were fueled by amphetamines, speed and booze. He did that a LOT with rock performers.
Mike Douglas was a respectable TV host, so I won't comment of his fundamental lack of awareness here. But whoever decided on the psychedelic distortions and colourizing should be shot! Even watching this stuff as a teen I was disgusted with the attempt by TV producers to appear cool. Essentially producers like this one ruined pieces of music history. Fortunately in this case there are other video examples of the band doing 'Shotgun'. I wonder why it was okay to mess with rock band appearances but we never saw 'production graphics' interfering with the likes of Sinatra or Streisand? Oh yeah, those producers thought they were cool. They weren't.
+Wayne Blanchard Dude, this was 1969! ANYTHING psychedelic was cool back then. We didn't have to "look" at the musicians, it was all about "listening to the music"...besides this was "cutting edge" video work back then...and they weren't "lip syncing" or even "holding back"...this was "balls out playing" on LIVE-TV! NOBODY does that now...nor did they do it then...it had to be as loud as fuck in that studio! lmao!
+VJ SWORD - Loud? Absolutely! I was around in those days so I know where you're coming from with your comment. Still, the effects in the camera work here are way over the top and a distraction. The music was psych enough. And Carmine's drumming - especially that windup at the end - is yet another reminder of where Zep's John Bonham found so much influence (though both he and Carmine were soul freaks who loved Bernard Puridie's funky style and Buddy Rich's wicked technique).
+Wayne Blanchard This was the way it was back then, Wayne. IT may seem dated now, but back then, when I had my waterbed, purple shag rug and blacklight, it would have been considered utterly bitchen and GROOVY!
Another extremely annoying production is Cream's '68 Farewell Concert. Filled with psychedelic effects and close ups of the band's faces, instead of Clapton's hands (I'm a guitarist). It's really a shame.
You people fial to understand how primitive TV was back then, and how all this stuff you complain about was seen as "state of the art" visual effects...especailly fo US hippies!
I saw these guys within months of doing this show. At the Boston Arena. A double bill with the fifth dimension. The fifth dimension were cooler than these pufters. At least Marilyn McCoo was hot. These guys are the Fuller Brush Men, of rock 'n roll
I saw the first 5 minutes of a Carmine Appice drum clinic, I walked out, the guy was so freaking into himself it wasn't even funny. Total tool. He just thought his shit came out gift wrapped, even though he's a second rate rock drummer from the 60's. For rock drumming, he'll always take a back seat to guys like Bonham, Mitch Mitchell, Ginger Baker and Keith Moon for 60's hard rock/psychedelic era.
I agree he wasn't a tool but I take issue with the "very conservative showbiz tradition" part. Please-- many performers were using booze, amphetamines, speed, and yes, POT, back in his day. You never heard him ask Jazz players about their constant drugging. This is just one of those phony anti-drug stances his generation took against rock music. Yes, he had rock bands on because they needed to grow the young demographic, but he often made fun of them with his other straight guests.
Sorry, but I have never been a singer. But this type of Rock is really dumb sounding. This song was kind of stupid to me. I was listening to more sophisticated players since the late 60's. Sorry, but Vanilla Fudge was seriously no big deal.
Before anybody calls me on it let me correct myself please. Carmine Appice was the phenomenal drummer and Tim Bogert the incredible bassist. They gelled so well in this and Cactus and their trio effort with Jeff Beck that I will always stand in awe of their raw energy and musical skill. What a combination . . .
Production is horrible, but back then you were happy to listen to any good rock through your RCA's 6" speaker and be happy about it. Kudos to Mike Douglas for having good bands on his show (even though the producers were apparently on drugs).
"Music that all ages can enjoy". I'm sure that most of the audience just hated this performance but the thing was that talk shows and variety shows back then had to appeal to everyone because there were basically only 3 or 4 channels. So you'd see things like Vanilla Fudge on Mike Douglas, Jimi Hendrix on the Tonight Show (guest hosted by Flip Wilson), the Doors on Ed Sullivan, etc. (Except I don't remember Merv Griffin having any rock acts on the show, he was too Vegas-y.) I loved that stuff, my parents hated it, they loved Vic Damone, I couldn't stand him, those family TV evenings were actually pretty strange compared to how things work today.
Few bands can boast the talent and high level of musianship of the Fudge. I was lucky enough to see them live a few times over the years , most recently in February 2019 "On the Blues Cruise" hosted by Moody Blues Justin Hayward. The Fudge continues to sound and play at the highest level, LOUD an proud and told some great stories in between songs. Always loved them and continue to do so. if you can check them out live as they still tour!
This is too hip! Man the fudge scared a lot of folks to death!!! And say what you will about Mike Douglas, but know that he always knew what was happening and what was cutting edge and what deserved a chance. He gave a lot of cats early exposure and he was a hell of a producer as well. What an era it was...
Vanilla Fudge kicked ass in the day
Don't think he was a tool. He just came from a very conservative showbiz tradition. I give him a lot of credit for having a lot of rock bands on his show, not to mention scoring some memorable interviews with John and Yoko.
Wow just had an acid flashback!😱🥵🤪🤣
Vanilla Fudge was a ground breaking group at the time... no one came close to the technical level of playing at the time. Later, in Cacus, Bogart and Appice went back to the roots taking 8 bar blues and three chord progressions to new heights. (Guiltless Glider is a group mimic of a drummer's paradiddle rudiment played by all.) Hot -n-Sweaty was a reformed group which had an organ added which I thought at the time would have been more commercially successful. BBA and DBA are exceptional.
mike needs to LOOK NO FURTHER than his own "special effects" dept. for the pot smokers!!!
(mike was MASTERFUL - how i MISS this show...) thx. for posting!
Saw these guys first in 1968-69 at the Electric Factory in Phila.with the members of the band I was in - we all loved the Vanilla Fudge ! That was right at the bands beginning to get known that believe it or not Carmine was setting up his own drums !! - though I'm sure Carmine would never admit to it :>) Later I saw them at Phila Convention Center during a nasty snow storm where only about a quarter of the audience showed up. Tim Boggart thanked those that did show and promised that the they were going to make all our troubles attending worth it. That was a promise kept as they put on an absolute killer show ... their individual solos in their ' Break Song ' were just nuts, especially Boggart as nobody was doing the shit he was doing on bass back then. Boggart never got the recognition he deserved. Saw them again at the Phila Spectrum and after the Fudge broke up I saw Cactus at an outside rock concert in Phila. with Carmine and Boggart never sounding so good together ! What great days they were with all these new, progressive bands performing. All this was while still in high school
For Vanilla Fudge to make several appearances on American TV in those days was a bit like if Led Zeppelin or Cream were to do the same thing, with all their loud amplification blasting middle aged viewers, until you realise these were local guys from New York who just happened to be in the neighborhood and were more than happy to do it. And if you thnk this is shocking---try watching Iggy Pop on a Dinah Shore show several years later!
mostly stupid comments...FANTASTIC PLAYERS, and bless Carmine's heart for continuing to reenact this and Cactus..."Near The Beginning" s live side is one of the heaviest things ever recorded....
Anyone who says this sucks doesn't understand rock and roll....this is history in the making.
This sucks!😂🤣😭
Just bought tickets to see them in August. So jazzed!
I dig this version too!
When people talk about bassist who broke out of the mold there's always John Entwistle of course, Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, etc. all of whom I admire, but we tend to forget about Tim Bogert who was way outside the mold too at the same time if not before.
This shit was being broadcast at 4:00 where I lived....pretty damn heavy for folks that haven't had their after work martini yet!
Tim Bogert was a beast.
I just wanna see the band play.
They may be coming to Troy NY early next summer
The video effects totally sucked I would rather just seen them play too
Your other posting of the Fudge doing Shotgun is much, much better. A cleaner sound. Go there.
The band most influenced by the Fudge was Deep Purple. Listen to their first two albums - pretty obvious.
@Jon Lord has cited Mark Stein as an influence. Also, it was Carmine Appice who influenced John Bonham’s purchase of larger drums for his sound.
They say Fudge influenced them but it goes back forth
do not forget that Carmine Appice influenced great drummers like Bonzo bonhan and Ian Paice. John Lord said in an interview that Deep Purple was frankly imitating Vanilla Fudge in their early albums. about not having own songs ... well, the versions of the songs were so different that the original... parts were instrumental compositions on compositions. think about it
This is great but there used to be a clip of this song from the Ed Sullivan show that I think was a little better version. Though, blurry, it wasn't completely obscured by psychedelic effects, and the camera stayed on Tim Bogert while he does his trip out bass solo part. Truly awesome. Sent chills up my spine. I'm having trouble finding it now.
One of the 10 most bizarre videos on youtube
You might think so, but he had lots of bands on his show playing LIVE that wouldn't have gotten that kind of exposure elsewhere. And John Lennon spent a few days on Douglas' show in the early Seventies.
Peter Baum - Right on, I've seen various Mike Douglas show band performance videos on UA-cam recorded between 1964 - 1976, I've seen the Rolling Stones, Frank Zappa, The Lemon Piper's, Eric Burdon and the Animals, to name a few. He tried to show contemporary Rock acts without suddenly morphing himself into a Nehru jacket / medallion wearing middle aged swinger. Zappa and Lennon wouldn't have appeared on his show if they thought Mike Douglas was a jerk, they obviously liked him, notice when he asked Mark Stein - Fudges organist about their fan's smoking Pot and listening to their music , it was a serious not sensationalist question 👍🎹🥁🎸😎
wow what a nice post and a wonderful picture it looks better with all of this exotic pot im smoking
And the Gods Made .......... Vanilla Fudge .... he he he .... wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww
You were good in 1969 & NOW you're great. How @ doing some of uour "White Magic." robin, RegS, FLL
That necklace is really cool man...said no one ever.
Oh snap!!!
I love their sound, never a fan of the harmonic vocals though but the backbone of their more obscure cuts was pretty heavy. Carmine Appice was in his prime here and solid up until the sounds of drums changed around 75. Not an 80's fan so much of him but you have to remember music changed. The real funk swing was gone by 75.
Such a great performance ! Too bad camera people ruined the visuals with special effects !!! But the music is priceless !
Mike should have put down the Irish whiskey once in a while and fired one up...bad recording of one of the finest bands ever..
Shame... there is something wrong with the video on this clip of Fudge. It keeps breaking up and going reverse negative! :(
This guy Mark reminds me of the late, great Freddie Prinze
Um they were never called " The " Vanilla Fudge , just Vanilla Fudge .
Zeppelin opened for them for a while.
Love the song, the performance was outstanding and would have been an overwhelming display of talent that we ALL could have enjoyed that much more if the producer, director or camera person hadn't been trying to show off their "psychedelic" production skills and blotting out the players. I mean Carmine Appice wailing out lead lines on his bass! Does it get much better? Hope there's some raw footage somewhere. Still it was great to see these guys in action.
"...the Vanilla Fudge."
Yeah I get high listening to the first Vanilla Fudge album. No drugs though. I seriously dought you can play or sing one third as well as these guys in their prime(or do them at the same time). You are however the world's greatest authority on what YOU like. The Monkees maybe? Peace.
Yeah im sat here smoking herbs (pot)
Mike Douglas was right. Vanilla Fudge rearranged other people's music into pot smoking music. lol.
Correct
The man put Vanilla Fudge (live mind you -- no miming here) on his television program for thousands of people to see.... you should consider editing your definition of a 'tool'.
Is this star trek?
What a jerk question Douglas asked about the pot smoking. you never heard him ask Jazz players how many were fueled by amphetamines, speed and booze. He did that a LOT with rock performers.
Mike Douglas was a respectable TV host, so I won't comment of his fundamental lack of awareness here. But whoever decided on the psychedelic distortions and colourizing should be shot! Even watching this stuff as a teen I was disgusted with the attempt by TV producers to appear cool. Essentially producers like this one ruined pieces of music history. Fortunately in this case there are other video examples of the band doing 'Shotgun'. I wonder why it was okay to mess with rock band appearances but we never saw 'production graphics' interfering with the likes of Sinatra or Streisand? Oh yeah, those producers thought they were cool. They weren't.
+Wayne Blanchard Dude, this was 1969! ANYTHING psychedelic was cool back then. We didn't have to "look" at the musicians, it was all about "listening to the music"...besides this was "cutting edge" video work back then...and they weren't "lip syncing" or even "holding back"...this was "balls out playing" on LIVE-TV! NOBODY does that now...nor did they do it then...it had to be as loud as fuck in that studio! lmao!
+VJ SWORD - Loud? Absolutely! I was around in those days so I know where you're coming from with your comment. Still, the effects in the camera work here are way over the top and a distraction. The music was psych enough. And Carmine's drumming - especially that windup at the end - is yet another reminder of where Zep's John Bonham found so much influence (though both he and Carmine were soul freaks who loved Bernard Puridie's funky style and Buddy Rich's wicked technique).
+Wayne Blanchard This was the way it was back then, Wayne. IT may seem dated now, but back then, when I had my waterbed, purple shag rug and blacklight, it would have been considered utterly bitchen and GROOVY!
Another extremely annoying production is Cream's '68 Farewell Concert. Filled with psychedelic effects and close ups of the band's faces, instead of Clapton's hands (I'm a guitarist). It's really a shame.
You people fial to understand how primitive TV was back then, and how all this stuff you complain about was seen as "state of the art" visual effects...especailly fo US hippies!
Too much psychedelic crap. I just want to see the band play.
I'm usually a fan of psychedelic visuals -
but in this particular case I have to agree with you!
Yup. Normie overkill 😒
The psychedelic effects were not necessary...Fudge needs no more ingredients!
I saw these guys within months of doing this show. At the Boston Arena. A double bill with the fifth dimension. The fifth dimension were cooler than these pufters.
At least Marilyn McCoo was hot.
These guys are the Fuller Brush Men, of rock 'n roll
lol @ 1:08
I saw the first 5 minutes of a Carmine Appice drum clinic, I walked out, the guy was so freaking into himself it wasn't even funny. Total tool. He just thought his shit came out gift wrapped, even though he's a second rate rock drummer from the 60's. For rock drumming, he'll always take a back seat to guys like Bonham, Mitch Mitchell, Ginger Baker and Keith Moon for 60's hard rock/psychedelic era.
Mike Douglas was always such a frickin' tool!
Really hideous rendition of Shotgun
I agree he wasn't a tool but I take issue with the "very conservative showbiz tradition" part. Please-- many performers were using booze, amphetamines, speed, and yes, POT, back in his day. You never heard him ask Jazz players about their constant drugging. This is just one of those phony anti-drug stances his generation took against rock music. Yes, he had rock bands on because they needed to grow the young demographic, but he often made fun of them with his other straight guests.
I never cared for Vanilla Fudge. This just reminds me why.
They don’t sound very good.
Vanilla Fudge was interesting for about 15 minutes back then. They were actually pretty pretentious.
Sorry, but I have never been a singer. But this type of Rock is really dumb sounding. This song was kind of stupid to me. I was listening to more sophisticated players since the late 60's. Sorry, but Vanilla Fudge was seriously no big deal.