A character asked if (Kid) Goku if he was an alien, and he said “maybe, lol”. Paraphrasing, of course. I wonder if Toriyama had that line in the back of his head, and then came up with the Saiyans.
@@antifascistamerican3782 at the end of the first arc (Pilaf), Oolong asks if Goku is an alien. During the fight with King Piccolo, Piccolo says Goku can't be human because he survives attacks no human could. Goku makes a throwaway comment that he has a tail so maybe he's not human. By the King Piccolo arc, it's believed Toriyama had started thinking of the alien plot twist, but in the Pilaf arc, it was probably a throwaway joke
Both "Gogeta vs Broly" and "Kakarot vs Broly" tracks absolutely slap. They are a lot less divisive in the fandom than you would think, people really seem to unanimously like them now
@@Maximmilian He wasn't a villain, he was a tragic hero. Things wouldn't have turned out the way they did if the very lifeforce of the universes didn't force him to duel Gohan Blanco to the death.
Same theme used for Vegeta charging the Final Flash. It starts really ominous, then as we, the audience, and the characters start understanding the scale of what's about to happen, the music rises to the occasion as Cell breaks his frown into a smile and Vegeta starts taunting him. Then as the song ends, Kuririn and Trunks start to despair and Vegeta fires the attack, to complete silence, with an eerie song starting to play once we see the gigantic beam of Ki flying out of Earth, complementing the terrifying display of power being shown. A perfectly done scene.
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Technically, most of what you called “leitmotif” are actually themes. The leitmotif themselves are smaller parts of the same, little note sequences that represent ideas; close to what you said, but you can’t combine whole themes together, you’d just end up with musical sludge or a Pitch Perfect style mashup. Motif are a smaller portion than that. There are two motifs in the Piccolo themes you showed, one being the “BA-da...DA-DA-da-dam” bit, which is small enough to be combined with other characters’ motifs or emotional motifs, as I suspect happened in the Gohan training music. It’s something that requires a control freak level of planning to get right, or a ton of time with the finished cut of the movie or series, so looking for an implementation of leitmotif in a weekly series might well be a glimpse of madness.
It would, but fortunately, there's an easier alternative when it comes to DBZ. See, most of the tracks used within the show itself by the Z era are actually reused from the movie scores, so most of the leitmotifs you'd find in them are actually associated with all the heroes, antagonists, and other ideas featured throughout them. As such, to truly identify Kikuchi's use of this technique, one would have to view them to get the full picture (and he does a lot of thematic interplay here and there, like in this one unused cue for movie 3 where he plays with a motif for Goku also used for the final stand off, as well as having Piccolo's and Turles/Tullece's themes "duke it out" in the middle). When trying to identify them in the show, things get a bit muddier because of the aforementioned reusage. The placement team tended to focus more on tone rather than staying true to the use of theme outside of appropriate usages of Piccolo's and Gohan's themes, as well as a rare instance of using Chaozu's theme from DB Movie 3 for when he makes his sacrifice against Nappa. Movie villain themes tended to be attached to the likes of Freeza (who had Wheelo's motif), the Androids and Cell (which had Cooler/Coola's Movie 5 and 6 material) and Boo (Broly's theme was usually used for him). Kikuchi has motifs whipped up for most of the Dragon Team that tends to go unnoticed within the series itself, and it's a really shame the placement team didn't keep up with his thought process as best as they could.
@@Sawngawkuh You’ve probably hit the nail on the head there. The Dragonball themes shown do show use of the technique and based on what you’ve said, actually had a composer to make the changes, as opposed to what became the norm later in all tv, to have a unit composer made a “bed” of tracks, which are just slotted in by the editorial team. The finales might warrant their own stuff, though apparently not here from what you’ve said, but otherwise it’s just dropping in the “Goku fights” track and calling it a day... I’d contend that it’s not really leitmotif shenanigans if you don’t have a supply of new music to smuggle them in with. To quote Mr Plinket, “you might not have seen it, but your brain did...”
@@Mulletmanalive It really is a shame, since, when listening to them in their original context, Kikuchi goes all out on the thematic development of many ideas, with most cues in each film score playing with certain leitmotifs to some extent (be it another rendition of one or just mingling multiple motifs together when appropriate). One of the most notable evolutions of an idea was the Saiyan theme, which was a reoccurring idea introduced for the TV series as a villain idea, but from Movie 4 and onwards, evolved into a theme for Super Saiyans, with its motif being utilized for most transformations and some fights. It's also a notable victim of this disconnect between Kikuchi's thematic intent and the placement team's thought process. If you were just watching the show all the way through, one would likely notice its melody being used as a leitmotif, but what it's associated with would most definitely be difficult to identify, as its various renditions reused from the films are usually just placed in dramatic moments there. One variant originating from the Bio Broly movie is even erroneously referred to as Kid Boo's theme, despite the idea existing since the very beginning of Z.
If you’re interested, the JoJo OST (particularly parts 3-5) use the concept if leitmotifs wonderfully, and I would recommend it. I guess David Produce gave Yugo Kanno enough time to do his magic, as his compositions are always high-production/on the more complex side
Man just you saying "the last episode of GT" gave me goosebumps. Maybe the show wasn't the greatest but the connection it had to my childhood and it ending hit me big
As a kid I had the japanese lyrics to Cha La Head Cha La memorized, even though I don't speak japanese. I'd watch the intro just to sing along. I even sung the subtitled words along too. My parents thought I was a weird kid
Dragon ball music is probably the main reason why such a show is able to stick with us. All those moments that are linked to music. You hear one chord and you instantly know what moment that linked to.
@@kungfuman82 You said “like professional wrestling” as though we weren’t watching muscular dudes talking trash at each other and beating each other within an inch of their lives. I found it so hype. Maybe it was because I was in the theater actually feeling the damn music.
Oh shit. I REALLY hope Mark is not reading the manga. I fucking love JoJo’s but , especially for the first 3 parts, the main essence of the series is far more clear and highlighted in the anime. The over the top voice acting and phenomenal sound design, not to mention the great artistic choices by David pro. all reflect Araki’s vision on the series perfectly. Hell, the old part 3 movies explain perfectly how boring JoJo could be if treated like a generic shonnen. So yeah, the manga is good, but beginning with the anime will always be the better option for this series. (Not to mention the tragic case of confusing ass paneling and scenes that affect parts 5-7.
@@theflashgordon193 maybe, but that’s not what I meant. Like, compare Iggy and Polnareff vs Vanilla Ice in the movie to the anime ver. Both are good and interesting, but they have a VERY different style and vibe, and the anime’s version is definitely the one that is more loyal to Araki and to what makes JoJo so unique and bizarre.
Sumitomo, Falconer, etc. Movies, tv, whatever. It's alllll good. I wish we had an ultimate fan edit combining all the scores within a uncensored version of Z with the worst filler cut out.
@@Jay9966 well, it depend on your reference. If you refer it for an opening you will feel hype and whatever but if you refer it for an ending it will feel sad and some sort of nostalgic? Either way its all depend on what you feel on it
@@Tozeyn the intro and the ending are different, the intro which should be the original one, is faster and has more beats in it. the ending is just slower and more soothing.
Dang this channel is going to die then, I mean Jojo fans will raid it and put unfunny jokes in the comment sections and some other sh*t talking about Jojo, that Jojo is the best anime in the world. No offense. But the brilliant idea of Giorno's theme/Il vento d'oro is good.
@@theobservr_ Uh, JoJo’s longer man. It has less chapters on a technicality, but JoJo has been an Ultra Jump monthly series since ~2005 which makes it have longer page counts.
@@uzukihakurei3715 Its a shame too because JoJo is really friggin good, the western fans kinda ruined the fun. JoJo has been popular in japan for years, but the west just HAD to catch wind of it
@@senjuebro bruh there's always been western jojo fans. Like gatekeeping ain't cool, HOWEVER, fuck the normie jokes, they are terrible. How do I know? Because I'm the guy that watched only part 5 because funni donut guy
I'm not one for OSTs, but Dragon Ball is the one franchise that I consistently come back to the soundtrack for. I think that's pretty indicative of something.
Naruto also has a great soundtrack. Although I do generally prefer dragon ball over Naruto, Naruto's soundtrack is indisputably greater and has more variety.
i like the idea that mark just enters a family's house as they watch dragon ball and loudly exclaims exclaims "this was my favorate moment from dragon ball super."
"what music would you add to a scene to make it more sad?" that ones easy: 'hope' tears, as far as i understand, is the body's reaction to needing help. what form that help is and how much they need it varies, but putting the idea that the help they need is coming turning misting eyes into streaming tears.
It's absolutely disgusting that ppl can't remember that Bruce faulconer made dbz what it is today. Remember the gohan vs cell theme and gokus ssj3 theme? Yea where those came from.
@Orwellian Future Is Now Super wasn’t terrible and really did branch out and become it’s own series as good as Z and The original,to be completely At this point GT Is the only bad DB Series
One of the great fusions of leitmotif was Piccolo's Theme X Makafushigi Adventure in Dead Zone which got interwoven so well pumping up Goku and Piccolo's teamwork.
Another series well defined by its music, and is also noted to have been a major source of inspiration for many well known composers these days when they were kids, is music from the first seven seasons of Thomas and Friends. Most of its music from that seasonal range is iconic, and has its own motifs you can hear amazingly well. Even as the music evolved to be, I guess ‘shorter’, you could still hear much of the original theme inside the shortened newer themes. It is really sad when, season 8 onwards, they changed the music (while still catchy as the original) sounded more ‘kid-friendly’ than the prior tracks. Certain themes that many say is iconic enough to be known without prior knowledge about Thomas, are the following; - Thomas and Friends opening theme - Thomas the Tank Engine’s theme - Edward the Blue Engine’s theme - Henry the Green Engine’s theme/The Flying Kipper - Gordon the Big Engine’s theme - James the Red Engine’s theme - Percy the Small Engine’s theme - Toby the Tram Engine’s theme - Devious Diesel’s theme - The Breakdown Train’s theme - Runaway theme Look up and listen to any one of these pieces of music, and they themselves tell stories about what’s going on about either the scene or the characters themselves. Thomas’ character theme is joyful and gives hints that he makes mischief like a young child (hence why most kids gravitate towards him). Edward’s theme has a nice bounce to it that hints he’s very kind and helpful (practically defining to who he is). Gordon’s is fast paced and has a kick fitting for one who is said to be “the biggest and proudest engine of all of Sodor”. James’s theme is very jazzy and smooth that tells you he’s quite vain and arrogant, but reliable when it counts. Devious Diesel’s theme has a slickness to it that immediately tells you he’s not someone you should trust. Anything from Thomas and Friends seasons 1 to 7 you can pick apart, and there were certain cues from Dragon Ball Super I’ve noticed could be traced back to our little blue tank engine on how to tell us what’s happening or who this character is through music alone… Plenty of UA-camrs have made plenty of covers/remixes of music from Thomas and Friends that sound incredible, so it should tell you the power that music has on people…
DBS has an amazing soundtrack. Don’t forget some of the early soundtracks either. Some great ones are Golden Frieza’s theme, Time to Strick Back, Birth of a God, and Earth’s End.
As a composition major, and someone who has really enjoyed your in depth analysis on some of my favorite shows, I am really happy you're finally scratching the surface of music theory. Essentially it builds you a box with rules you can't break... And then gives you more advanced rules to break those rules.
"He didn't have enough time to make the music he wanted" Me, Who just rewtached both of his redrawing dragon ball super videos: Gee, I wonder where I have heard that before?
0:54 Glad to see the greatest character in the Multiverse, El Hermano himself, getting some love. Maybe one day we'll have a video of the absolute masterpiece that is the Gohan Blanco saga.
I feel like dragonball z bruce faulconers is unforgettable... Truly a masterpiece and one of the bests ever out of all dragonabll series all characters almost had their own style especially vegetas hells bells theme and final atonement just truly incredible
It’s horrible in terms of overall implementation though. Yes, some of the lines and the music that played during or after would definitely be memorable but that’s just for clip shows, not full episodes.
I stopped watching Sideways after every video felt like: - Poses Question - Spends 20 minutes talking about mostly unrelated stuff - Answers the question in the last minute
I CAN FINALLY WATCH YOU AGAIN MARK 😭😭😭 I couldn’t watch most of your videos due to not wanting to be spoiled to anythibg moro or one piece related Its good to be back man, keep up the good work, genuinely missed you👍
I want to observe that Piccolo's Jr Leifmotif already plays a lot during the King Piccolos arc, and its meant to be used as the high tension combat music. I am pretty sure the actual Ma Juniors Leifmotif was intended to be the one played during Drums birth and then reused as Piccolo+Nail show up before Freezer, as it serves as a more straighforward character feature.
Weirdly enough, I think DBGT has the most memorable music for me across the many series. Aside from Gohan's SSJ2 transformation song from the original JP track that is.
All I want is Falcolner back. That’s what made Z such a phenomenon for me. Every bit of that score resonates with me deeply and I listen to it regularly while exercising. Some of my favorites being Perfect Cell’s theme, super sayian 3 transformation, and especially Hells Bells. I’m also a fan of the Heavy Metal soundtracks they put in the DBZ movies. I guess I’m a product of my age/environment but I wish we’d get some of that back as Dragonball just doesn’t feel the same to me without it
Honestly, I love this video, as I love music theory. That said, I would be curious to get your impressions on the overall Faulconer score of English Z and the Menza score of English GT. I feel going into the Faulconer Score would tie back to what you stated in this video, with music early on being "placed throughout" without tying into anything, but having actual leitmotifs used later on, particularly in the Buu saga.
The thing about piccolo's death is that when the theme plays you'll notice that while it's a lot more lighthearted and soft, it also seems to convey at certain parts that while he is changing, piccolo was conflicted to have made the decision to protect Gohan.
This is officially my favorite video of yours Mark, which is saying a lot. I would LOVE to see more dragon ball music analysis videos from you in the future!
I am actually pleasantly surprised that you focused on most tracks of the ost without mentioning Ultimate battle or Unmei no hi(Day of fate). It truly shows that this video was about the subtle music that people almost always forget. Great job.
Great analysis of something that is rarely talked about in-depth. Your insightful and well-researched presentations really set your channel apart from others.
I won't lie. The ending of DBGT makes me cry. Hell, just seeing Goku, who's been a hero to me, a black kid who was bullied by both family and friends growing up, saying goodbye makes me cry.
For me my favourite theme that accompanies a scene in super is when whis reassures everyone and goku dives seep into ultra instinct state right before mui honestly the things that whis says are applicable in real life along with the amazing soundtrack just fits everything perfectly
That was excellent. I love the Dragonball soundtrack across each section of the story. I was honestly hoping you would have compared Goku's Super Saiyan theme and how it's original compared to the Faulconer version.
Here, I'll do it for ya: In terms of emotional tone, the two pieces are night and day. The original, "M817", is dark and terrifying, indicating the horror of watching a hero fall into such a vicious rage. Starting off with a threatening and foreboding tone, indicating the quiet rage within Goku steadily growing, the piece immediately jumps into an appropriately intense and chaotic mix of trumpets and violins as lightning begins to strike and the transformation begins. While "M817" had been used liberally throughout the soundtrack leading up to this moment, the fact that it had most recently been used for moments such as Freeza's own terrifying transformations adds a layer of context to the fear and uncertainty underlying the scene. In contrast, the American theme, "SSJ Transformation", is hopeful and combines an uplifting feeling with an element of mystery, indicating the hero at last fulfilling a great legend of unknown origins. The uncertainty and trepidation is still there, though not as dark as the original, instead inspiring an awestruck feeling with the subdued and emotional synthesizer effects before the guitar comes in as right as the transformation truly begins. The music builds in intensity along with Goku's power, lessening a bit as Goku instructs Gohan to leave, and culminating in a climactic burst as Goku faces Freeza, indicating the battle to come. Both versions of the scene itself are complemented very well by their respective musical scores, with the original most likely being constructed around the piece (unless it was just a coincidence that it happened to fit perfectly with it), and the dub having a piece written for the scene as it was originally directed. While differing wildly in tone, the two scores give us a look into how the same scene can evoke very different emotions depending on how it is interpreted by the composer.
Don't forget to rate the video!!! What's your fav Dragon Ball musical track?
M-1525 (The Tragic Battle) and M-811 by Shunsuke Kikuchi. As for Super, I'm not really sure.
Fearsome Foe for sure!
Awe, yeah. Let's gooo!!!
Dragon ball super broly
I unironically like Omen to Victory. It was a nice change of pace from the orchestral piece that was Yamamoto/Kikuchi
Ah yes, it's finally here!! Was a pleasure to work with you bro! :)
PokeMixr is da GOAT!!!
amazing job on the tracks
Bro Poke, drop your edited Zamasu themes on your channel I’d love to listen to them on loop
Shame no one talks about your Moro theme more often. Its really good and fitting for the Character.
Holy f*cken hell, i got chills from that theme. It's superb.
RIP to Shunsuke Kikuchi, the original composer of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. His music truly left a mark on our childhoods.
Rip
may he rest in peace but honestly bruce is way better IMO.
@@shady8045 not appropriate lol
@@TheStr9ngestone well I would have mentioned it somewhere else but unfortunately no one mentioned the composer.
@@shady8045 not way better just better say that don’t need be disrespectful
it still blows my mind looking back at og dragonball but thinking like "damn goku was an alien warrior this whole time and noone knew"
A character asked if (Kid) Goku if he was an alien, and he said “maybe, lol”. Paraphrasing, of course.
I wonder if Toriyama had that line in the back of his head, and then came up with the Saiyans.
@@antifascistamerican3782 at the end of the first arc (Pilaf), Oolong asks if Goku is an alien. During the fight with King Piccolo, Piccolo says Goku can't be human because he survives attacks no human could. Goku makes a throwaway comment that he has a tail so maybe he's not human.
By the King Piccolo arc, it's believed Toriyama had started thinking of the alien plot twist, but in the Pilaf arc, it was probably a throwaway joke
@@KarmaHoudiniGaming My man!
@@KarmaHoudiniGaming it’s amazing how well it worked out though. You’d think the whole thing could have been planned by from day one
Not even the creator was aware of it at the time
The Kikuchi section on Piccolo got me all emotional. Absolute goated score.
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I loved that part too, wait *AjAy HoW aRe YoU hErE?*
*WhEn's ThE nExT aNiMaTiOn AnAlYsIs?*
Kikuchi is 10x better then any other dragon ball composer
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Both "Gogeta vs Broly" and "Kakarot vs Broly" tracks absolutely slap. They are a lot less divisive in the fandom than you would think, people really seem to unanimously like them now
I don't think you're qualified to judge music if you use a term like "slaps".
@@ThelronFjord l he's still right
@@ThelronFjord you are
@@ThelronFjord and you are?
nah, Gogeta vs Broly still throws a lot of people off when they rewatch the movie
Mark: “The staggering amount of detail that goes into so many films, shows and musicals is truly fascinating...”
Also Mark: *image of El Hermano*
What about it? Are you complaining about Super's most dangerous and terrifying villain?
@@GyaruRespecter What about El Grandre Padre? Even Gohan Blanco Calvo had trouble fighting him
@@Maximmilian He wasn't a villain, he was a tragic hero. Things wouldn't have turned out the way they did if the very lifeforce of the universes didn't force him to duel Gohan Blanco to the death.
Truly the greatest being in the dragon ball universe
@@SomePersonOnUA-cam pfft fools! That weakling is nothing compared to the and only lord shaggy.
“Called Jo-ha-kyu”
*me having PTSD from Mark’s Wano review*
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@@flexwithkovan make good content and people will start watching you , no successful UA-camr started his channel by randomly begging in the comments
@@MrBlanko6 actually Bruce Greene did. But his YT channel isnt that successful. His Twitch channel is more popular.
@@flexwithkovan I see you everywhere even in db legends comments can't you just stop self promoting 😒
Soundtrack is easily the most underrated aspect in almost every medium in which it exists
Monster Hunter and all the monster themes are so dope to me. Also ys 8 ost. I love soundtracks, they make something good 100x better
Except for star wars
Also the choreography
Undertale fans and jojo fans love the shits out of the music from the series
Unless you’re in a fighting game. Guilty gear anyone?
I’ve always felt like the SSJ 3 theme very perfectly illustrates “Ascension” the notes going from low to high.
Wich theme, the us one, the original, or the kai one
@@juanmanuelninopina4808 Original
Funny how it wasn't used for *The Ascended Super Saiyan* forms lol.
Same theme used for Vegeta charging the Final Flash. It starts really ominous, then as we, the audience, and the characters start understanding the scale of what's about to happen, the music rises to the occasion as Cell breaks his frown into a smile and Vegeta starts taunting him. Then as the song ends, Kuririn and Trunks start to despair and Vegeta fires the attack, to complete silence, with an eerie song starting to play once we see the gigantic beam of Ki flying out of Earth, complementing the terrifying display of power being shown. A perfectly done scene.
@@MrSloopful I agree. When the music breaks and the guitar comes out when he fires is just perfection
Finally, someone who actually talks about how damn brilliant the Dragon Ball franchise's music is!
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Why should people State the obvious?!!
Every db serie got outstanding music
@@mohamedkhider6998 It is still worthy of discussion, though. It's not just about stating the obvious.
Legit
The music they have is amazing
Amazing work like always!
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True man
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@@manavsingla3143 yup, India mein bhi aisa kuch hona chahiye.
@@orio4155 kabhi nahi hoga
Piccolo’s theme is god tier. I was worried this video was just gonna be about Super.
I’m still mad they messed with Ultimate Battle in the dub of super
song is trash either way, dont stress too much
Idk about all of you...but I think the song was bad in sub and dub...idk why...
GogOgOGo Go ThE DiStaNce
The song is not that good...
@@alternateperez4086 🧢
My twitter is in the description if you want to hear those scenes in full!
finally a dragon ball epsiode :OO
@Luke Wu not a bad idea actually.
@Luke Wu In the year 2074, after Mark's grandson finishes the last episode and chapter of One Piece.
When you said Leitmotif I got the dumbest smile on my face because they are my favorite damn things in anything ever.
That thumbnail is dope, very nice drawing
Technically, most of what you called “leitmotif” are actually themes. The leitmotif themselves are smaller parts of the same, little note sequences that represent ideas; close to what you said, but you can’t combine whole themes together, you’d just end up with musical sludge or a Pitch Perfect style mashup.
Motif are a smaller portion than that. There are two motifs in the Piccolo themes you showed, one being the “BA-da...DA-DA-da-dam” bit, which is small enough to be combined with other characters’ motifs or emotional motifs, as I suspect happened in the Gohan training music.
It’s something that requires a control freak level of planning to get right, or a ton of time with the finished cut of the movie or series, so looking for an implementation of leitmotif in a weekly series might well be a glimpse of madness.
It would, but fortunately, there's an easier alternative when it comes to DBZ.
See, most of the tracks used within the show itself by the Z era are actually reused from the movie scores, so most of the leitmotifs you'd find in them are actually associated with all the heroes, antagonists, and other ideas featured throughout them. As such, to truly identify Kikuchi's use of this technique, one would have to view them to get the full picture (and he does a lot of thematic interplay here and there, like in this one unused cue for movie 3 where he plays with a motif for Goku also used for the final stand off, as well as having Piccolo's and Turles/Tullece's themes "duke it out" in the middle).
When trying to identify them in the show, things get a bit muddier because of the aforementioned reusage. The placement team tended to focus more on tone rather than staying true to the use of theme outside of appropriate usages of Piccolo's and Gohan's themes, as well as a rare instance of using Chaozu's theme from DB Movie 3 for when he makes his sacrifice against Nappa. Movie villain themes tended to be attached to the likes of Freeza (who had Wheelo's motif), the Androids and Cell (which had Cooler/Coola's Movie 5 and 6 material) and Boo (Broly's theme was usually used for him).
Kikuchi has motifs whipped up for most of the Dragon Team that tends to go unnoticed within the series itself, and it's a really shame the placement team didn't keep up with his thought process as best as they could.
@@Sawngawkuh
You’ve probably hit the nail on the head there. The Dragonball themes shown do show use of the technique and based on what you’ve said, actually had a composer to make the changes, as opposed to what became the norm later in all tv, to have a unit composer made a “bed” of tracks, which are just slotted in by the editorial team. The finales might warrant their own stuff, though apparently not here from what you’ve said, but otherwise it’s just dropping in the “Goku fights” track and calling it a day...
I’d contend that it’s not really leitmotif shenanigans if you don’t have a supply of new music to smuggle them in with. To quote Mr Plinket, “you might not have seen it, but your brain did...”
@@Mulletmanalive It really is a shame, since, when listening to them in their original context, Kikuchi goes all out on the thematic development of many ideas, with most cues in each film score playing with certain leitmotifs to some extent (be it another rendition of one or just mingling multiple motifs together when appropriate).
One of the most notable evolutions of an idea was the Saiyan theme, which was a reoccurring idea introduced for the TV series as a villain idea, but from Movie 4 and onwards, evolved into a theme for Super Saiyans, with its motif being utilized for most transformations and some fights.
It's also a notable victim of this disconnect between Kikuchi's thematic intent and the placement team's thought process. If you were just watching the show all the way through, one would likely notice its melody being used as a leitmotif, but what it's associated with would most definitely be difficult to identify, as its various renditions reused from the films are usually just placed in dramatic moments there. One variant originating from the Bio Broly movie is even erroneously referred to as Kid Boo's theme, despite the idea existing since the very beginning of Z.
If you’re interested, the JoJo OST (particularly parts 3-5) use the concept if leitmotifs wonderfully, and I would recommend it. I guess David Produce gave Yugo Kanno enough time to do his magic, as his compositions are always high-production/on the more complex side
@ShonenAce If you still need help, what he’s saying is that leitmotifs in music are simply *shorter* than what Mark described in the video
That Fused Zamasu theme was fucking PERFECT!
Man just you saying "the last episode of GT" gave me goosebumps. Maybe the show wasn't the greatest but the connection it had to my childhood and it ending hit me big
GT in one episode have almost all the amount of meaning that super have.
@@raphaels33 Nah
@@raphaels33 No.
@@raphaels33 No. It had more.
@@raphaels33Nah. You just can't understand dragon ball super ig...
Here before a war starts between the dub music and the sub music
facts
as shakespeare once said, "every man must ask himself if he would rather rock the dragon, or cha-la his head cha-la."
SUB MUSIC IS DOGSHIT
@@cassiusvibert5064 god fucking damnit its already started
@@cassiusvibert5064 listen to ultimate battle from dub to sub you clown
Me: "I can sing cha la head cha la no problem"
also me: can only sing the "cha la head cha la" parts
lol same here
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@@flexwithkovan no
your photo matches well your username
As a kid I had the japanese lyrics to Cha La Head Cha La memorized, even though I don't speak japanese. I'd watch the intro just to sing along. I even sung the subtitled words along too. My parents thought I was a weird kid
Dragon ball music is probably the main reason why such a show is able to stick with us. All those moments that are linked to music. You hear one chord and you instantly know what moment that linked to.
I love the Broly music the intensity is something I love, like an announcer “BROOOOOOOOLY” vs “GOOOOGETAAAAA”
GO, BROLY GO, BROLY GO, BROLY C,MON BROLY!
Really? It made me cringe, like I was watching professional wrestling. Now the theme when Broly snaps? That’s some tasty sauce.
Love it
The talking literally ruins the music
@@kungfuman82
You said “like professional wrestling” as though we weren’t watching muscular dudes talking trash at each other and beating each other within an inch of their lives.
I found it so hype. Maybe it was because I was in the theater actually feeling the damn music.
I can't hear leitmotif without hearing Sideways voice saying it tbh
Sideways has exposed the importance and impact of music in media so well
Same!
Ah yes. I see “El Hermano” made an appearance
You dare not speak the name of this absolute legend.
@@grim1582 on the topic i think el gohan blanco's theme "decided" is pretty good but in a its a decent beat way
@@grim1582 el hermano, el tio, el madre, el padre, el abuelo
Mark: "jojo will be much shorter than my one piece review"
Me at part 8: "are you sure about that"
In dragon ball there were 5 minutes that lasted few episodes...
Meanwhile Dio's second lasts as long as he's speaking.
Oh shit. I REALLY hope Mark is not reading the manga. I fucking love JoJo’s but , especially for the first 3 parts, the main essence of the series is far more clear and highlighted in the anime. The over the top voice acting and phenomenal sound design, not to mention the great artistic choices by David pro. all reflect Araki’s vision on the series perfectly. Hell, the old part 3 movies explain perfectly how boring JoJo could be if treated like a generic shonnen. So yeah, the manga is good, but beginning with the anime will always be the better option for this series. (Not to mention the tragic case of confusing ass paneling and scenes that affect parts 5-7.
@@danielz-v4083 Yeah I love how in the old part 3 movie they skip all the bad to average/boring episode.
ikr jojo has more total chapters and over 100 of them are monthly
@@theflashgordon193 maybe, but that’s not what I meant. Like, compare Iggy and Polnareff vs Vanilla Ice in the movie to the anime ver.
Both are good and interesting, but they have a VERY different style and vibe, and the anime’s version is definitely the one that is more loyal to Araki and to what makes JoJo so unique and bizarre.
Pokimixr is so damn talented, he deserves more recognition as a musician
Yee that fused zamasu theme was badass
I really gotta take a page out of his book
Sumitomo, Falconer, etc. Movies, tv, whatever. It's alllll good. I wish we had an ultimate fan edit combining all the scores within a uncensored version of Z with the worst filler cut out.
Dan Dan always was a sad song though. It is in major scale but it still has a sad/emotional subtext. That's why the last scene in GT hits super hard.
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not really, the song is pretty hype in the intro version.
@@Jay9966 well, it depend on your reference. If you refer it for an opening you will feel hype and whatever but if you refer it for an ending it will feel sad and some sort of nostalgic?
Either way its all depend on what you feel on it
@@Tozeyn the intro and the ending are different, the intro which should be the original one, is faster and has more beats in it. the ending is just slower and more soothing.
@@Jay9966 oh yeah, I didn't notice. My bad
*HE'S READING JOJO NEXT*
glad i have my notifs on all.
We saw how he got through one piece like a champ jojos gonna be a walk in the park
Dang this channel is going to die then, I mean Jojo fans will raid it and put unfunny jokes in the comment sections and some other sh*t talking about Jojo, that Jojo is the best anime in the world. No offense.
But the brilliant idea of Giorno's theme/Il vento d'oro is good.
@@theobservr_ Uh, JoJo’s longer man. It has less chapters on a technicality, but JoJo has been an Ultra Jump monthly series since ~2005 which makes it have longer page counts.
@@uzukihakurei3715 Its a shame too because JoJo is really friggin good, the western fans kinda ruined the fun. JoJo has been popular in japan for years, but the west just HAD to catch wind of it
@@senjuebro bruh there's always been western jojo fans. Like gatekeeping ain't cool, HOWEVER, fuck the normie jokes, they are terrible. How do I know? Because I'm the guy that watched only part 5 because funni donut guy
El hermano, i see, you’re a man of culture.
"My dimwit brother,Still too harmless still too reckless"
I'm not one for OSTs, but Dragon Ball is the one franchise that I consistently come back to the soundtrack for. I think that's pretty indicative of something.
For me, its ultimate battle
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@Parker Family omg I love 70cm inch window!
Naruto also has a great soundtrack. Although I do generally prefer dragon ball over Naruto, Naruto's soundtrack is indisputably greater and has more variety.
Personally, I'm really into the title sequences from GT. Dan Dan and Don't You See! are two of my favourites from the DB anime.
13:23 As Goku Black once said now applies to this soundtrack, “Subarashi” “Wonderful”
OMG I WASN’T THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT ABOUT ALADDIN’S “STILL I THINK HE’S RATHER TASTY” ALL THESE YEARS!!
I'm NOT ALONE!!!!!!
I swear to God the UI theme is now ruined for me lmao
i like the idea that mark just enters a family's house as they watch dragon ball and loudly exclaims exclaims "this was my favorate moment from dragon ball super."
"what music would you add to a scene to make it more sad?"
that ones easy: 'hope'
tears, as far as i understand, is the body's reaction to needing help. what form that help is and how much they need it varies, but putting the idea that the help they need is coming turning misting eyes into streaming tears.
" I know all the lyrics to Chala head chala-"
Mark: *I did it first you're not special* !
This video reminded me of when Cell’s theme played like 3 times when Vegeta realized how strong his Perfect Form was
Exactly
I just watched that fight.
The perfect theme!
I've played the Desperate Assault and Dream Tag Match tracks so many times...after I finally found out their names.
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dream tag match is a beautiful track
@@animeamazee
Yes
As a musician, thank you. Music is always a key part of the story telling narrative! They have titles for a reason ;)
It's absolutely disgusting that ppl can't remember that Bruce faulconer made dbz what it is today. Remember the gohan vs cell theme and gokus ssj3 theme? Yea where those came from.
@@diszruptiveent3634 Mike Smith, Scott Morgan, and Julius Dobos.
@@gespenst1329 thank you. Those who made all the iconic theme songs for each character and those amazingly orchestrated scenes were the real mvps
@@diszruptiveent3634 They also had better ideas than Funimation did.
15:36, can't believe my meme i made stretched this far. Thanks for noticing it ^-^
It's so damn funny 🤣
Tf are they saying, I can't understand anything
Edit: nevermind I found out
oh god
Hahahahaha!!!! 😂😂😂😂 I love that Aladdin movie but didn’t expect it to rear its head in such a hilarious way 😂😂😂 and it works, too!!
Damn it so I'm far from being the only one who thought about that
>dragon ball’s music is important
>let’s talk about leitmotifs
Shut up and take my likes
"Likes" You can like more than once? Heyyy no fair.
Can someone answer me this question? Is this guy Saintsfan?
You can like multiple times you just have to believe.
Believe in your 50 alternative accounts!
Rest in peace Shunsuke Kikuchi.
R.I.P
Hey Mark, you’ve covered Z, Super, GT, and the movies and specials. Have you considered covering the arcs of the original Dragon Ball?
Dude, it be to easy for him
Oh my gods i didnt even realised he didnt covered the OG DragonBall...what the fuck :D
@@ultrainstinctgokuhope7442 Might be easy for him. But original Dragon Ball is reaaaally good. So I wanna see his opinion :)
@@Pixiuchu Original DB was the best
@Orwellian Future Is Now Super wasn’t terrible and really did branch out and become it’s own series as good as Z and The original,to be completely At this point GT Is the only bad DB Series
I don’t even watch Dragonball, but this man can make me care about it more than life itself.
It's life itself for many people..
@@mohamedkhider6998 did I hear someone call for me?
@@Elitex22 yep lol
That's also me
you niggas need to gogeta job
@Juljan Peshtani on purpose
R.I.P kikuchi. Thanks for the amazing music
I expect a godly breakdown of King Crimson and D4C.
who shot johny will probably need an own video
you mean unsanitary acts perfomed for a low amount of monetary gain?
@@greedow you mean unclean acts performed at below market value?
You mean big bad for small pay
Its packet loss. -woolie
Poke Mixers corrupt zamasu song sounds like it could go right into a dark souls game
Thought the same thing, sounded like boss music
And the two different tracks would each be a phase of the battle
Mark: "And this is where i introduce you to a technique called the Leitmotif"
Every Final Fantasy fan in Mark's audience: "Ah yes"
As a FF music UA-camr, ngl i lol'd XD
let's not forget the entire Undertale soundtrack
One of the great fusions of leitmotif was Piccolo's Theme X Makafushigi Adventure in Dead Zone which got interwoven so well pumping up Goku and Piccolo's teamwork.
70 cm Glass Window feels like it's from Re:Zero, not DBS. And I love it.
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@Parker Family xDD
@@flexwithkovan dude stop self promoting
@@flexwithkovan ew imagine uploading trash content and still self promoting.
That song should’ve been for the final arc of dragon ball it’s literally too perfect for a finale track
Another series well defined by its music, and is also noted to have been a major source of inspiration for many well known composers these days when they were kids, is music from the first seven seasons of Thomas and Friends.
Most of its music from that seasonal range is iconic, and has its own motifs you can hear amazingly well. Even as the music evolved to be, I guess ‘shorter’, you could still hear much of the original theme inside the shortened newer themes. It is really sad when, season 8 onwards, they changed the music (while still catchy as the original) sounded more ‘kid-friendly’ than the prior tracks.
Certain themes that many say is iconic enough to be known without prior knowledge about Thomas, are the following;
- Thomas and Friends opening theme
- Thomas the Tank Engine’s theme
- Edward the Blue Engine’s theme
- Henry the Green Engine’s theme/The Flying Kipper
- Gordon the Big Engine’s theme
- James the Red Engine’s theme
- Percy the Small Engine’s theme
- Toby the Tram Engine’s theme
- Devious Diesel’s theme
- The Breakdown Train’s theme
- Runaway theme
Look up and listen to any one of these pieces of music, and they themselves tell stories about what’s going on about either the scene or the characters themselves.
Thomas’ character theme is joyful and gives hints that he makes mischief like a young child (hence why most kids gravitate towards him).
Edward’s theme has a nice bounce to it that hints he’s very kind and helpful (practically defining to who he is).
Gordon’s is fast paced and has a kick fitting for one who is said to be “the biggest and proudest engine of all of Sodor”.
James’s theme is very jazzy and smooth that tells you he’s quite vain and arrogant, but reliable when it counts.
Devious Diesel’s theme has a slickness to it that immediately tells you he’s not someone you should trust.
Anything from Thomas and Friends seasons 1 to 7 you can pick apart, and there were certain cues from Dragon Ball Super I’ve noticed could be traced back to our little blue tank engine on how to tell us what’s happening or who this character is through music alone…
Plenty of UA-camrs have made plenty of covers/remixes of music from Thomas and Friends that sound incredible, so it should tell you the power that music has on people…
"Named after the man who created it, Mr Score"
LMFAO
Probably lowkey his best joke
DBS has an amazing soundtrack. Don’t forget some of the early soundtracks either. Some great ones are Golden Frieza’s theme, Time to Strick Back, Birth of a God, and Earth’s End.
As a composition major, and someone who has really enjoyed your in depth analysis on some of my favorite shows, I am really happy you're finally scratching the surface of music theory. Essentially it builds you a box with rules you can't break... And then gives you more advanced rules to break those rules.
"He didn't have enough time to make the music he wanted"
Me, Who just rewtached both of his redrawing dragon ball super videos: Gee, I wonder where I have heard that before?
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Well he mentions it like 3 times in this video, too.
0:54 Glad to see the greatest character in the Multiverse, El Hermano himself, getting some love.
Maybe one day we'll have a video of the absolute masterpiece that is the Gohan Blanco saga.
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The best story ever written, Dragon Ball X
@Yourt Uytr me too, kid
I feel like dragonball z bruce faulconers is unforgettable... Truly a masterpiece and one of the bests ever out of all dragonabll series all characters almost had their own style especially vegetas hells bells theme and final atonement just truly incredible
Nah, the faulconers score only exist because it was believed american children couldn't pay attention to scenes of silence.
Look how nobody here even realized the genius behind Z music and they are all here brainwashed and ready to accept this crappy limitation of super
It’s horrible in terms of overall implementation though.
Yes, some of the lines and the music that played during or after would definitely be memorable but that’s just for clip shows, not full episodes.
15:35 y'all have made me see something i will never not see when that theme comes on and its terrifying
So strange. I just got into Sideways and when you brought up leitmotifs, I was like "Aah, I see someone else fell into that particular youtube pit"
I stopped watching Sideways after every video felt like:
- Poses Question
- Spends 20 minutes talking about mostly unrelated stuff
- Answers the question in the last minute
The Dragon ball video games also have criminally underrated musical scores which surprisingly mesh really well with the anime series itself
When I see Mark is going to read Jojo:
OOOOH YEEEEAAAAH
me too
I CAN FINALLY WATCH YOU AGAIN MARK 😭😭😭
I couldn’t watch most of your videos due to not wanting to be spoiled to anythibg moro or one piece related
Its good to be back man, keep up the good work, genuinely missed you👍
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that piccolo light motif lives rent free on my head
4:33 He's having One Piece withdrawals already.
Most likely you the one having withdrawals and need to seek counseling
I like how in the old movies they had rock songs.
I'm glad that the music topic finally has it's highs and lows addressed properly by somebody. As well as that Poker was included.
Totally Not Mark Needs His Own Theme Song
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@@flexwithkovan no
@@risingrevolt Being savage ehh :P
@Josh Lee BRUH.
When the fight music starts kicking up latin (like) lyrics, you know shits about to go down! Usually some of the most epic music does this.
CELLs sound track or theme song was the ultimate. By far my favorite.
I was literally listening to Gogeta vs broly ost when this was uploaded lol
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Dude thats exactly what I was doing too!
Dragon Ball music never fails to make me hyped.
Did you ever watch the falcouner score?
Music is one of the most important thing to me when watching a show or playing a game. Great video!
king piccolo's theme is one of the most perfect themes for a antagonist/villain of the classic dragon ball
change my mind
can‘t argue that. but in general then cells dub theme is right up there aswell
Forgot frieza namek theme
@@Mromellette "classic dragon ball"
The only valid opinion
Well allow me to introduce tao pai pai
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Everytime broly's theme came on the movie, i just got the most absolute chills. His leitmotiv was just handled amazingly
I want to observe that Piccolo's Jr Leifmotif already plays a lot during the King Piccolos arc, and its meant to be used as the high tension combat music. I am pretty sure the actual Ma Juniors Leifmotif was intended to be the one played during Drums birth and then reused as Piccolo+Nail show up before Freezer, as it serves as a more straighforward character feature.
Dragon Balls Music is always so nice and for me is the root of my nostalgia for dbz especially the music they played during the brief moments of piece
Mark rly gives us a blessing with these Beautiful Thumbnails 😳😩
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Weirdly enough, I think DBGT has the most memorable music for me across the many series. Aside from Gohan's SSJ2 transformation song from the original JP track that is.
I agree
*mark slowly approaching to the Jojo fandom*
Jojo fandom: Oh? You’re approaching me?
Mark: I cant review the shit out of you if I dont get closer
Jojo fandom: Then get as close as you like.
The OG Broly Transformation and Pantera's music is still the most sick thing I've ever seen. 💯🔥
That whole soundtrack fit the movie perfectly
Excellent video. Just as the music is placed well, your choice of words make a great impact to this show we all love. Bravo.
All I want is Falcolner back. That’s what made Z such a phenomenon for me. Every bit of that score resonates with me deeply and I listen to it regularly while exercising. Some of my favorites being Perfect Cell’s theme, super sayian 3 transformation, and especially Hells Bells. I’m also a fan of the Heavy Metal soundtracks they put in the DBZ movies. I guess I’m a product of my age/environment but I wish we’d get some of that back as Dragonball just doesn’t feel the same to me without it
Honestly, I love this video, as I love music theory. That said, I would be curious to get your impressions on the overall Faulconer score of English Z and the Menza score of English GT. I feel going into the Faulconer Score would tie back to what you stated in this video, with music early on being "placed throughout" without tying into anything, but having actual leitmotifs used later on, particularly in the Buu saga.
The thing about piccolo's death is that when the theme plays you'll notice that while it's a lot more lighthearted and soft, it also seems to convey at certain parts that while he is changing, piccolo was conflicted to have made the decision to protect Gohan.
Interesting title phrasing.
Glad to have this topic covered, though.
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Editor! You absolute CHAD!
@Editor-san XD Love your profile picture.
This is officially my favorite video of yours Mark, which is saying a lot. I would LOVE to see more dragon ball music analysis videos from you in the future!
ah yes the most famous musical technich “Jo-Ha-Kyu”
Finally, Mark's back to Dragon Ball again!
I am actually pleasantly surprised that you focused on most tracks of the ost without mentioning Ultimate battle or Unmei no hi(Day of fate). It truly shows that this video was about the subtle music that people almost always forget. Great job.
When the Ultimate Battle song comes on...
Makes you feel like you can do anything 💯
15:34 when the Music matches with Aladdin song XD
I'll never unhear it now. Criminally underrated moment of this video.
Great analysis of something that is rarely talked about in-depth. Your insightful and well-researched presentations really set your channel apart from others.
I won't lie. The ending of DBGT makes me cry. Hell, just seeing Goku, who's been a hero to me, a black kid who was bullied by both family and friends growing up, saying goodbye makes me cry.
#ripbozo
#packwatch
👎😹👎
Huh, didn't HxH win the comunnity Poll for the next series?
Not that I mind, JoJo is pretty great as well but it does confuse me a bit.
He'll be doing both. Iirc, the Hunter x Hunter manga here ordered had shipping issues.
@@tectiva6126but If u see his twitter he already has all the volumes of hunterxhunter
He received the jojo ones first so he read them first
jojo magas came way before HxH. that might be the reason he decided to start with jojo
@@Dr.JonathanCrane Ahh, makes sense tehn.
Thanks for the info.
For me my favourite theme that accompanies a scene in super is when whis reassures everyone and goku dives seep into ultra instinct state right before mui honestly the things that whis says are applicable in real life along with the amazing soundtrack just fits everything perfectly
Fearsome Foe has to be my favorite theme. The build-up, the drop and suspense is just incredible and fits Dragon Ball perfectly
JOJO YEEEEEES
I'm sooo ready for this.
Great video!
Many people i know don't take notice of how important a score can be and can add.
That was excellent. I love the Dragonball soundtrack across each section of the story. I was honestly hoping you would have compared Goku's Super Saiyan theme and how it's original compared to the Faulconer version.
Here, I'll do it for ya: In terms of emotional tone, the two pieces are night and day. The original, "M817", is dark and terrifying, indicating the horror of watching a hero fall into such a vicious rage. Starting off with a threatening and foreboding tone, indicating the quiet rage within Goku steadily growing, the piece immediately jumps into an appropriately intense and chaotic mix of trumpets and violins as lightning begins to strike and the transformation begins. While "M817" had been used liberally throughout the soundtrack leading up to this moment, the fact that it had most recently been used for moments such as Freeza's own terrifying transformations adds a layer of context to the fear and uncertainty underlying the scene.
In contrast, the American theme, "SSJ Transformation", is hopeful and combines an uplifting feeling with an element of mystery, indicating the hero at last fulfilling a great legend of unknown origins. The uncertainty and trepidation is still there, though not as dark as the original, instead inspiring an awestruck feeling with the subdued and emotional synthesizer effects before the guitar comes in as right as the transformation truly begins. The music builds in intensity along with Goku's power, lessening a bit as Goku instructs Gohan to leave, and culminating in a climactic burst as Goku faces Freeza, indicating the battle to come.
Both versions of the scene itself are complemented very well by their respective musical scores, with the original most likely being constructed around the piece (unless it was just a coincidence that it happened to fit perfectly with it), and the dub having a piece written for the scene as it was originally directed. While differing wildly in tone, the two scores give us a look into how the same scene can evoke very different emotions depending on how it is interpreted by the composer.