One thing I just realized is Toby is a blink commander. If you can blink him like 4 times a turn then you have the option to make a board state that's scary in moments
Marvin combos in colorless: Thing that adds 2 mana (Palladium Myr, Kozilek's Channeler) + Untap for 2 mana with some bonus (Farmstead Gleaner, Pili-Pala) Arbitrary number of counters (Cryptic Trilobite + Farmstead Gleaner, Phyrexian Devourer) + remove counters for stuff (Triskelion, Walking Ballista) And then there's lots of stuff with Metalworker, a number of options if you can animate artifacts (Staff of Domination lines mainly, animate with Karn Silver Golem, Karn the Great Creator, or Toymaker)
I just love that Arabella has spawned the biggest hype from Duskmourn... a freaking uncommon. And yes. I will play her in Pakal and maybe Zinnia... thinking about a pauper Arabella list too
'You have to force blocks with Norin..." Do you mean like repeatedly pressuring life totals by attacking? His gameplan is to make your opponents choose between letting you get in damage or letting you get on-attack/cast/etb/from-exile triggers turn after turn
@eebbaa5560 I mean, Tomer said multiple times in this episode that he likes being the aggro player in Commander... so I just found it very weird that Norin, who is a wonderful red design for aggro and value, somehow gets put in the trash
Valgagoth harrower of souls at last getting the respect he deserves as a commander. There are so many UA-camrs that dont realize that if u build him right your netting 3 cards every rotation and getting him super buff for attacks really fast
It’s just a variation on Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin. I would expect it to be more popular being a precon Commander versus a Commander from an unpopular mini set.
@@Dragon_Fyre The variation is important too though. Ob Nixilis is higher power than your average playgroup when built correctly, it's incredibly explosive glass cannon. Valgavoth is also very strong but a bit slower, so it can fit better in more playgroups. I expect that will make Valgavoth more popular too.
Marvin has all the same combos as Necrotic Ooze more or less. If it's your commander, then probably Pili-Pala + Palladium Myr or Phyrexian Devourer + Walking Ballista/Triskelion. In the 99, there are thousands of combinations 😄
0:34 Explanation of Categories 1:23 Sponsor 1:08:11 Overview of Final Rankings 1:35 Altanak, the Thrice-Called 4:23 Aminatou, Veil Piercer 7:37 Arabella, Abandoned Doll 10:50 Kianne, Corrupted Memory 14:34 Kona, Rescue Beastie 17:27 Marina Vendrell 20:59 Marvin, Murderous Mimic 22:43 Nashi, Searcher in the Dark 24:54 Niko, Light of Hope 26:48 Norin, Swift Survivalist 28:31 Rendmaw, Creaking Nest 31:29 Rip, Spawn Hunter 34:12 The Jolly Balloon Man 36:01 The Lord of Pain 37:23 The Master of Keys 39:49 The Mindskinner 42:32 The Swarmweaver 44:09 The Wandering Rescuer 46:17 Toby, Beastie Befriender 47:19 Tyvar, the Pummeler 49:53 Valgavoth, Harrower of Souls 53:13 Valgavoth, Terror Eater 56:19 Victor, Valgavoth's Seneschal 58:28 Winter, Cynical Opportunist 1:01:34 Winter, Misanthropic Guide 1:04:11 Zimone, All-Questioning 1:05:37 Zimone, Mystery Unraveler Timestamper's Verdict: I'll pick up The Jolly Balloon Man since there are so few Boros commanders I like, but probably nothing else. Overall, I had really high hopes for this set but it's been a huge creative let down for me, making this a 0/4 year for standard sets ending on a low note. I'll keep my fingers crossed for next year. Happy hauntings to those enjoying Duskmourn
i agree that jolly balloon man seems like one of the most (only?) interesting cards here. i don’t really care about commander that much anymore tbh but i’m not sure how this set is gonna pan out for standard/limited either. it looks like it has some good applications for standard though. thanks for the timestamps
The Jolly Balloon Man does go infinite with Sparring Mummy, Zealous Conscripts, & Village Bell-Ringer. As long as you have an Ashnod's Alter or a Phyrexian Alter in play to first make the infinite mana. It can also go infinite with Aurelia, the Warleader or Combant Celebrant. Provided you either have a mana dork to pay for The Jolly Balloon Man's ability or cost reduction for the ability.
I don't believe Jolly Balloon Man goes infinite with Aurelia or Combat Celebrant. You can only activate Balloon Man at sorcery speed, and Aurelia/Celebrant don't give you an extra main phase. So you won't have a chance to tap the Balloon Man again until the combat phase is over.
Marina is actually the one that I'm most excited to make a deck for. Plus, you're forgetting about the Eerie mechanic, which triggers off of enchantments, and when you unlock rooms. So she can freely set that up each turn
There is a room that wins you the game on your upkeeping if you have eight unlocked rooms. That's more than likely going to be what Marina decks are that are playing around rooms.
An entire deck based on a pile of cards with no synergy and a single card wincon (your opponents are just going to hold onto a counter spell). Pass. It would be much the same as trying to win with gates. Gates at least provide mana though… I think you would be better off with this just being a 5 colour enchantress deck that includes the most useful rooms as an occasional bonus.
@@Dragon_Fyre pshhh that's what a tryhard would do. I'm here for the fun silly decks. I'm just going to slap all 28 rooms in the deck and making altart proxy of her being Duskmourns #1 realtor and take my pod on a tour of the house 🤣
@@CuddlyBuns Silly decks should be fun to play though and a deck that functions poorly is rarely fun. It’s not about winning, but having a deck that effectively does what it wants to do. I do not see a Marina doors deck achieving that… I can see the fun though in describing all your cards as you play them like a Realtor would…
@@Dragon_Fyre you make good points but commander players don’t care about making good decks. they’re bad players and even worse deckbuilders so five-color piles of shit are what appeals to them.
8 Rooms in your upkeep.. You could use Shadow of the Second Sun to get the upkeep instantly. It's an enchantment too. Most of the rooms don't have much synergy with eachother so i don't really know what Wizards wants you to do with her. The funny thing is she will 100% be built as an enchantment Atraxa and abuse blink and token copies for value. Then you never tap her for a room because you run 0 rooms in the deck.
There's at least one other infinite combo in a precon, which is the jeskai energy precon from MM3 with the face commander, Satya, and Lightning Runner.
Rendmaw is definitely my favorite commander of the set. Golgari aggro! Basically. Play a bunch of artifact creatures, make birds to force people to beat each other to death! He seems super fun for casual play, and I already have a budget deck planned out for him.
Problem with Rendmaw is that your last opponent is gonna have a board full of 2/2 crows to beat you down with, since goad would no longer have any effect.
Great list, but the one I would change is Marina Vendrell from C -> A (Great in the Commander Zone) I think you focused too much on the tap ability with the rooms & not enough on her ETB effect (When she ETB's look at the top 7 cards, put Enchantments into your hand & the bottom the rest). Focus on making her a Engine piece, cast her search top 7, then blink her & search another top 7 rinse & repeat. The tap ability isn't important (but decent if you play a few rooms in your deck).
My favourite is Marina, I love enchantress decks. Though I did test her out in TTS with some friends and I have to say that she is both very powerful and leads to long ass turns.
I've been playing Boros blink for a long time. Right now it's Alena and Livio. The Jolly Balloon Man is what I've been waiting for out of a commander for a long time. Not the perfect Commander for Boros blink, but man the archetype is in a great place
I found out Norin is actually great in a offspring deck, so he is going to be great in my Zinnia deck, as I can recast them and make additional offsprings. That deck also runs the original Norin.
Zimone, All-Questioning is pretty good for counter manipulation decks. Every time you make a primo, they're adding that many +1/+1 counters. There are ways to get around the Legendary rule downside for Primo too, such as The Ozolith banking your existing Primo's counters to give to the new Primo. Is she good? Not really. Fun? Absolutely.
Don't forget about Mount cards from OTJ for Rip Spawn Hunter. They're both creatures and you tap to saddle them to trigger survival and the majority of them are white, green, or both.
I think Norin can do great with small haste creatures / ETB’s and cast from exile effects. As soon as they become blocked they can then be recast for value. Stuff like Ruby medallion & Hazoret’s monument will put it the work! Very aggro 🙌🏻
Yeah I can see Norin being kinda fun, just a shame it is outclassed by Rionya as an ETB commander in red. Or there is also a newer one similar to Rionya
I wonder if norin could run as an eldrazi deck. The tribe is powerful and has great support for cost reduction. And norin would let you reuse eldrazi cast triggers, which a blink or copy deck could not do. Passionate archeologist and warstorm surge could still thrown big damage
I think hed be a really cool build around with theft cards. Can run something like invasion plans to force your opponents to block, then your act of aggression takes their creature + lets you recast it to keep it forever
@@tomallan9615 You still get one copy each turn but for sure it is more Sorcery and Instant focused. Im gonna brew Norin because it look fun for red IMO
Rip feels like a cool variation of Wylie Duke. Wylie is better if you can tap and untap him over and over, but Rip pays you off way more if you tap her once in a turn. Imo you basically take out all the untap cards from your Wylie deck and replace them with ways to buff Rip, and there you go.
Arabella seems like a fun hatebear commander. A lot of those cards are low-power creatures, and Arabella gives the playstyle a way to be more aggressive and not drag the game out forever. And she’s cheap so recasting her a couple times isn’t a big deal.
13:24 Hardened Scales can also help you to "fix" her ability. At even, you can cast non-creature spells as though they had flash and on uneven, it's creatures. When all tokens you gain are doubled, the amount will always be even so your base when you start this will fix the effect you will have.
I am soooooooo excited for Arabella. I really like commanders that reward you for playing small utility creatures. Plus, she is like a mini-Alibou which is neat. Also excited for precon-Zimone, I just wish she was Sultai. I've been wanting to build a deck for a while that cheats one-shot creatures into play face down (like Phage and Blightsteel) and then make my opponents guess which random 2/2 they should block. I can still add Zimone to the 99 of a Kadeena list I have brewing, but she would've been the perfect commander for that strategy.
There is also some old red enchantments that decides attacks and blocks for Norin so should be possible to do something. Like Invasion plans. Could be a fun deck to put together honestly.
Aminatou also has a loop in the precon. If you have secret arcade on the field and you play ondu spiritdancer you can copy ondu ininitely. Then you can pair this with several constellations effects as payoff. One of those effects ping you opponents for 1
Happy to see an opinion on Winter that isn’t so doom and gloom. I’m super excited to build him, getting to reanimate a Portal to Phyrexia is going to feel crazy.
33:26 I love the Survivor mechanic, but some of my favorite vehicles are red and I needed a deck for Magda, so I ended up playing this strategy in Naya. Annie the Flash is great as the commander.
Except that you have to pay the mana cost for the exiled card. Norin is the ultimate bad card and if you build even a semi-functional deck around it I salute you
Show me on the doll where the enchantment decks hurt you. The last time they did an enchantress precon was Wilds of Eldraine and it was aura based. The only other time that I can remember was Commander Masters and it was constellation / enchantment creatures. Bello is technically an enchantment deck, but I would argue it's doing something very different. This is the first precon that is a fairly normal enchantress deck and can use all enchantments rather than specific types of enchantments or set-specific enchantment archetypes.
Not really. There has been 4 different enchantment based precons you didn't mencioned. 2 aura based Dogmet and Galea (to be fair half enchantments half equipment) and 2 enchantresses (Daxos andEstrid). Does this justify Tomer's apathy towards the achetype? Idc excitement is a personal thing but there are other equally popular precon archetypes that don't get this reaction from him like tokens, sacrifice, graveyard, landfall etc.
Also the "70% of the cards are gonna be generic enchantress stuff" argument is flawed because most of those cards are green or selesnya so I dont think its fair to say that about Aminatou or even Erriete from WoE (another non green enchantress commander) since she cared about auras specifically and she also wanted you to be casting stuff like pacify effects on creatures which isnt your typical enchantress stuff, also I think Aminatou is a really cool twist on enchanterss that wants you to basically play draw go control.
I was looking for this comment! There have been a lot of enchantment decks but they are all doing something relatively different. Enchantment value, enchantment Voltron, enchantment go wide, enchantment recursion and ETB’s. Then even non pre con legendaries that care about enchantments are doing something different like playing politically or theft. We’ve had so many +1 / +1 counters decks and legendaries and they all do the same thing and want the same cards. I would much rather have another unique feeling enchantment deck than another deck that feels like a worse Shalai and Hallar
She just seems boring to me. She's an Atraxa that cares about enchantments instead. Same problem where if you include any blink or copies she's already broken. It's great to be able to build a commander with less restrictions but this feels like an Ur-Dragon situation to me where she's always the correct choice for enchantments since she's too flexible. Imagine if Jodah just said "creature" instead of "legendary spell". That's this card.
@@ThePancaked1 That’s only Marina though, Aminatou is a completely different story. Also with Marina you still have to cast all of those enchantments. They don’t go on to the battlefield like Ur-Dragon. This also can put you at a disadvantage if someone is playing more control because they see what cards you just put in your hand. If you put too many powerful enchantments in your hand this way, similar to Ur-Dragon players, you’re just going to get hated off the board. She also doesn’t have eminence or buff the board and cascade like the ones you mentioned, and like Atraxa doesn’t have the stat line to backup the ability. Marina won’t be the go-to enchantress
Seen a lot of pays to play Jolly Balloon Man (JBM) already. Even seen someone show a full modular deck so copy a modular out, let it die and move the +1+1 counters to another creature and keep doing that till you got a massive creature. Not only that but most modulars are a 0/0 so making them a 1/1 flier is actually a plus and can be useful with an ozalith or other similar counter buffing effects.
I think it would be fun to build Rendmaw in several narrow but specific archetypes. Like going golgari enchantress and playing as many enchantment creatures as possible or the one I think would be fun to force, some sort of Golgari affinity deck with as many artifact creatures as possible. He seems actually so open ended.
Arabella is def hype I have a Zurzoth cavalcade deck that never really took off and I'm thinking of rebuilding it with Arabella. Also looking forward to the golgari precon with winter and rendmaw
I'm going to make a Kianne SorceryFlash deck, and maybe a Marina Grixis Enchantress deck, only using those colors for spells and some blink to draw the cards. And as a side note Gen is a graveyard enchantress in Mardu colors too 💫
I've been messing around with the precon Zimone and while she's a good combo commander she makes an excellent sneak attack commander by using top deck manipulation and any type of fetch lands to drop haymakers turn after turn
I get that you are bored with enchantress Tomer but I think that it is a good thing that popular archetypes get precons semi often. Precons usually are only available for 1-2 years at a reasonable price so getting new precons maintains the ability for new players to start with particular archetype and maintain archetype staple cards at a reasonable price. Also with at least 4 precons per every set we can afford some repetition in theme.
I loop my reanimations all the time so yes finality and anything else that exiles is the worst for my yard decks xD I'll bring the same thing back like 20 times in a game because it is funny.
Richard is always like "you can't play that everyone is just gonna kill you" and also "you shouldn't really play anything until the turn you can win" So how are people gonna kill you then :D I don't think 0/2 plants are enough
Rendmaw is my 1st golgari deck. Feels both unique for that combinarion while also having a cool gameplan (summon the swarm for everyone to peck each other to death) to make it worth building, rather than the typical aristocrats/yard nonsense.
Behind you on the enchantress thing. I can hardly play mono-red in the recent years due to the amount of must remove enchantment decks and red still having no reliable enchantment removal.
1:07:47 actually they have infinites in a couple recent precons. There are infinite combos in the precons energy matters MH3 precon as well in the most recent Bello animate trash precon
In the long run, Aminatou is going to be absolutely miserable to play against as people add obvious upgrades. They will be using topdeck manipulation and cheap draw effects on everyone’s turn to play stax and value enchantments at huge discount until they eventually cheat out backbreaking stuff like Omniscience by using top of library tutors and win, backed up by a select suite of high-quality interaction to protect their boards. May you have many games when this deck plays Rhystic Study for U.
Altanak is indeed great in reanimator style! But he can be a great budget mono green beatdown commander, 7mana 9/9 trample is very nice. I thought you were the budget master but i guess you didnt see the vision this time. Rather see someone play this than another thrun
Suprised you didn't put norin as great in the 99. He's great in any deck based around attack triggers. You don't have to do any crazy combos, he just let's you attack without dying basically.
You'll need a way to activate The Jolly Balloon Man at instant speed, like Thousand-Year Elixir. Otherwise pairing him with Aurelia doesn't work so well, since her ability grants combat after combat, no main phase, and TJBM can only be activated at sorcery speed.
Norin doesn't look that weak to me. What if you just fill your deck with cheap creatures that ETB for value. Like the ones that create a treasure token. If people block, you get value, if they don't they take damage. I bet many people would rather take 2-3 damage than give you value, but you would need some finisher for when they actually start blocking for their life. Also isn't Tyvar just a scuffed Zopandrel? I guess if you go wide and have one really tall creature he's better but.. Zopandrel
how does the "winter, misanthropic guide" hand size effect stack w no hand size effects opponent's may have? i assume their effect overwrites it so this is jus bad at any table playing reliquary tower
@eebbaa5560 for one thing, needlessly rude. for another, if you're drawing a lot of cards (everyone is lol) it's nice to have a way to keep those cards that's hard to remove
@@x9nn reliquary tower is a dead card in pretty much every deck. if you consistently have more than seven cards in your hand and you’re not finding ways to progress the game state in any way by playing those cards, then you’re either a bad player, a bad deckbuilder, or both. ironically, stuffing your deck full of bad cards like reliquary tower is a surefire way of making sure that this happens to you.
The super powerful ones like kona and lord of pain are SOOOOO boring and the play patterns are gonna be lame and yawn inducing like the first game you play them. Way prefer stuff like arabella. Mindskinner is the coolest commander in the entire set BY FAR. So unique with how it does what it does
Tomer, if you really want to make your opponents sweat while you play Valgavoth, Harrower of Souls, then slot in a copy of Feast on the Fallen and watch Valgavoth grow immense. 😂
Sans-green enchantress! Woah there! Risking playing a deck that makes a decision! The 5c room commander is probably the most boring thing they could have printed. Frame 1, they print a "room commander" and just hand the build to you. This era of design is half interesting stuff they finally have the confidence to print and half "do x to do y, do enough y and z happens." Snoozefest. The hate for exile and finality counters is being forced to make a decision. Having to think ahead about what the game is actually going to look like and reanimating specific threats, rather than just recurring the biggest idiot you can every turn, turn after turn, 40 times in a row.
every 5c commander is like this lol. they all just build a deck for you it’s so boring. as for your other point, i think graveyard hate is actually too easy to come by nowadays and all the finality counter stuff is just making reanimator a worse archetype imo. it’s already pretty easy to play around without all your cards getting exiled when they die.
11:33 “turning card draw into an actual win condition”
No one show this card to Phil and Seth 😂
One thing I just realized is Toby is a blink commander. If you can blink him like 4 times a turn then you have the option to make a board state that's scary in moments
Yeah he is going right into my Brago Blink deck
Marvin combos in colorless:
Thing that adds 2 mana (Palladium Myr, Kozilek's Channeler) + Untap for 2 mana with some bonus (Farmstead Gleaner, Pili-Pala)
Arbitrary number of counters (Cryptic Trilobite + Farmstead Gleaner, Phyrexian Devourer) + remove counters for stuff (Triskelion, Walking Ballista)
And then there's lots of stuff with Metalworker, a number of options if you can animate artifacts (Staff of Domination lines mainly, animate with Karn Silver Golem, Karn the Great Creator, or Toymaker)
I just love that Arabella has spawned the biggest hype from Duskmourn... a freaking uncommon. And yes. I will play her in Pakal and maybe Zinnia... thinking about a pauper Arabella list too
Unfortunately she’s an uncommon so you can’t play her in pauper😔
@@reedzimmerman2234 In pauper commander you can have any uncommon be your commander
@@reedzimmerman2234 pauper commander features uncommon creatures as a commander
@@greekPharaoh666 Ah I misunderstood which you were talking about, my mistake!
Her and the Jolly Balloon Man. When was the last time we had two exciting Boros commanders in the same set?
'You have to force blocks with Norin..."
Do you mean like repeatedly pressuring life totals by attacking? His gameplan is to make your opponents choose between letting you get in damage or letting you get on-attack/cast/etb/from-exile triggers turn after turn
don’t blame him commander players can’t really wrap their heads around that kind of thing
@eebbaa5560 I mean, Tomer said multiple times in this episode that he likes being the aggro player in Commander... so I just found it very weird that Norin, who is a wonderful red design for aggro and value, somehow gets put in the trash
put a heros blade on the field they will be blocking then keep getting hit with 5 dmg every turn
Seriously, just play him like a slicer/alexios, except you focus on the other creatures in the 99
Valgagoth harrower of souls at last getting the respect he deserves as a commander. There are so many UA-camrs that dont realize that if u build him right your netting 3 cards every rotation and getting him super buff for attacks really fast
It’s just a variation on Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin. I would expect it to be more popular being a precon Commander versus a Commander from an unpopular mini set.
@@Dragon_Fyre The variation is important too though. Ob Nixilis is higher power than your average playgroup when built correctly, it's incredibly explosive glass cannon. Valgavoth is also very strong but a bit slower, so it can fit better in more playgroups. I expect that will make Valgavoth more popular too.
valgavoth is so boring though.
@@eebbaa5560 I agree. As a card in the 99, I think it’s good, but as a commander, I just want it to be doing a little more.
@@epsilondelta2967 2 life is like nothing. I’ve never seen 2 life deter anyone from getting rid of a commander before
Marvin has all the same combos as Necrotic Ooze more or less. If it's your commander, then probably Pili-Pala + Palladium Myr or Phyrexian Devourer + Walking Ballista/Triskelion. In the 99, there are thousands of combinations 😄
0:34 Explanation of Categories
1:23 Sponsor
1:08:11 Overview of Final Rankings
1:35 Altanak, the Thrice-Called
4:23 Aminatou, Veil Piercer
7:37 Arabella, Abandoned Doll
10:50 Kianne, Corrupted Memory
14:34 Kona, Rescue Beastie
17:27 Marina Vendrell
20:59 Marvin, Murderous Mimic
22:43 Nashi, Searcher in the Dark
24:54 Niko, Light of Hope
26:48 Norin, Swift Survivalist
28:31 Rendmaw, Creaking Nest
31:29 Rip, Spawn Hunter
34:12 The Jolly Balloon Man
36:01 The Lord of Pain
37:23 The Master of Keys
39:49 The Mindskinner
42:32 The Swarmweaver
44:09 The Wandering Rescuer
46:17 Toby, Beastie Befriender
47:19 Tyvar, the Pummeler
49:53 Valgavoth, Harrower of Souls
53:13 Valgavoth, Terror Eater
56:19 Victor, Valgavoth's Seneschal
58:28 Winter, Cynical Opportunist
1:01:34 Winter, Misanthropic Guide
1:04:11 Zimone, All-Questioning
1:05:37 Zimone, Mystery Unraveler
Timestamper's Verdict: I'll pick up The Jolly Balloon Man since there are so few Boros commanders I like, but probably nothing else. Overall, I had really high hopes for this set but it's been a huge creative let down for me, making this a 0/4 year for standard sets ending on a low note. I'll keep my fingers crossed for next year. Happy hauntings to those enjoying Duskmourn
i agree that jolly balloon man seems like one of the most (only?) interesting cards here. i don’t really care about commander that much anymore tbh but i’m not sure how this set is gonna pan out for standard/limited either. it looks like it has some good applications for standard though. thanks for the timestamps
Thank you so much fr doing timestamps! I’m sorry you’ve been disappointed in the last few sets. I hope something comes along soon that you enjoy!
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The Jolly Balloon Man does go infinite with Sparring Mummy, Zealous Conscripts, & Village Bell-Ringer. As long as you have an Ashnod's Alter or a Phyrexian Alter in play to first make the infinite mana.
It can also go infinite with Aurelia, the Warleader or Combant Celebrant. Provided you either have a mana dork to pay for The Jolly Balloon Man's ability or cost reduction for the ability.
lol you could go infinite with that at my 6-power table and I wouldn’t be mad 😂
I don't believe Jolly Balloon Man goes infinite with Aurelia or Combat Celebrant. You can only activate Balloon Man at sorcery speed, and Aurelia/Celebrant don't give you an extra main phase. So you won't have a chance to tap the Balloon Man again until the combat phase is over.
Marina is actually the one that I'm most excited to make a deck for. Plus, you're forgetting about the Eerie mechanic, which triggers off of enchantments, and when you unlock rooms. So she can freely set that up each turn
There is a room that wins you the game on your upkeeping if you have eight unlocked rooms. That's more than likely going to be what Marina decks are that are playing around rooms.
An entire deck based on a pile of cards with no synergy and a single card wincon (your opponents are just going to hold onto a counter spell). Pass. It would be much the same as trying to win with gates. Gates at least provide mana though…
I think you would be better off with this just being a 5 colour enchantress deck that includes the most useful rooms as an occasional bonus.
@@Dragon_Fyre pshhh that's what a tryhard would do. I'm here for the fun silly decks. I'm just going to slap all 28 rooms in the deck and making altart proxy of her being Duskmourns #1 realtor and take my pod on a tour of the house 🤣
@@CuddlyBuns Silly decks should be fun to play though and a deck that functions poorly is rarely fun. It’s not about winning, but having a deck that effectively does what it wants to do. I do not see a Marina doors deck achieving that…
I can see the fun though in describing all your cards as you play them like a Realtor would…
@@Dragon_Fyre you make good points but commander players don’t care about making good decks. they’re bad players and even worse deckbuilders so five-color piles of shit are what appeals to them.
8 Rooms in your upkeep.. You could use Shadow of the Second Sun to get the upkeep instantly. It's an enchantment too. Most of the rooms don't have much synergy with eachother so i don't really know what Wizards wants you to do with her. The funny thing is she will 100% be built as an enchantment Atraxa and abuse blink and token copies for value. Then you never tap her for a room because you run 0 rooms in the deck.
I'm thinking about building The Mimeoplasm, and if I do Altanak sounds like a good include in the 99.
There's at least one other infinite combo in a precon, which is the jeskai energy precon from MM3 with the face commander, Satya, and Lightning Runner.
that deck probably has tons of infinites lol
My husband loves that deck and there are way more infinites than that 😅 he’s blown me out so many times
Rendmaw is definitely my favorite commander of the set. Golgari aggro! Basically. Play a bunch of artifact creatures, make birds to force people to beat each other to death! He seems super fun for casual play, and I already have a budget deck planned out for him.
Problem with Rendmaw is that your last opponent is gonna have a board full of 2/2 crows to beat you down with, since goad would no longer have any effect.
@@BlankeeStarcraftThat's why you run things like Massacre Wurm or Wing Storm.
Great list, but the one I would change is Marina Vendrell from C -> A (Great in the Commander Zone) I think you focused too much on the tap ability with the rooms & not enough on her ETB effect (When she ETB's look at the top 7 cards, put Enchantments into your hand & the bottom the rest). Focus on making her a Engine piece, cast her search top 7, then blink her & search another top 7 rinse & repeat. The tap ability isn't important (but decent if you play a few rooms in your deck).
My favourite is Marina, I love enchantress decks.
Though I did test her out in TTS with some friends and I have to say that she is both very powerful and leads to long ass turns.
I've been playing Boros blink for a long time. Right now it's Alena and Livio.
The Jolly Balloon Man is what I've been waiting for out of a commander for a long time. Not the perfect Commander for Boros blink, but man the archetype is in a great place
I found out Norin is actually great in a offspring deck, so he is going to be great in my Zinnia deck, as I can recast them and make additional offsprings. That deck also runs the original Norin.
Zimone, All-Questioning is pretty good for counter manipulation decks. Every time you make a primo, they're adding that many +1/+1 counters. There are ways to get around the Legendary rule downside for Primo too, such as The Ozolith banking your existing Primo's counters to give to the new Primo.
Is she good? Not really. Fun? Absolutely.
Don't forget about Mount cards from OTJ for Rip Spawn Hunter. They're both creatures and you tap to saddle them to trigger survival and the majority of them are white, green, or both.
That ghost thumbnail 😂
I think Norin can do great with small haste creatures / ETB’s and cast from exile effects. As soon as they become blocked they can then be recast for value. Stuff like
Ruby medallion & Hazoret’s monument will put it the work! Very aggro 🙌🏻
Yeah I can see Norin being kinda fun, just a shame it is outclassed by Rionya as an ETB commander in red. Or there is also a newer one similar to Rionya
I wonder if norin could run as an eldrazi deck. The tribe is powerful and has great support for cost reduction. And norin would let you reuse eldrazi cast triggers, which a blink or copy deck could not do. Passionate archeologist and warstorm surge could still thrown big damage
@@munsulight721 I get what you mean but Riyona is heavy instant & sorcery based! You can go full on creatures if you really want here 🙌🏻
I think hed be a really cool build around with theft cards. Can run something like invasion plans to force your opponents to block, then your act of aggression takes their creature + lets you recast it to keep it forever
@@tomallan9615 You still get one copy each turn but for sure it is more Sorcery and Instant focused. Im gonna brew Norin because it look fun for red IMO
Rip feels like a cool variation of Wylie Duke. Wylie is better if you can tap and untap him over and over, but Rip pays you off way more if you tap her once in a turn. Imo you basically take out all the untap cards from your Wylie deck and replace them with ways to buff Rip, and there you go.
Arabella seems like a fun hatebear commander. A lot of those cards are low-power creatures, and Arabella gives the playstyle a way to be more aggressive and not drag the game out forever. And she’s cheap so recasting her a couple times isn’t a big deal.
Excited for Arabella ! 😁
39:00 - Casting Animate Dead, Dance of the Dead, Necromancy, and Chthonian Nightmare from grave seems cool
13:24 Hardened Scales can also help you to "fix" her ability. At even, you can cast non-creature spells as though they had flash and on uneven, it's creatures. When all tokens you gain are doubled, the amount will always be even so your base when you start this will fix the effect you will have.
I am soooooooo excited for Arabella. I really like commanders that reward you for playing small utility creatures. Plus, she is like a mini-Alibou which is neat. Also excited for precon-Zimone, I just wish she was Sultai. I've been wanting to build a deck for a while that cheats one-shot creatures into play face down (like Phage and Blightsteel) and then make my opponents guess which random 2/2 they should block. I can still add Zimone to the 99 of a Kadeena list I have brewing, but she would've been the perfect commander for that strategy.
Of course Tomer puts the Kiki combo commander in the favs spot, it's the thing he loves the most after all.
I wish Nashi had the text of Basim from Assassin's creed
I'm torn, I've never built an enchantress deck, so a Miracle twist on it could be fun. Easy commander would be valgavoth but fun.
There is also some old red enchantments that decides attacks and blocks for Norin so should be possible to do something. Like Invasion plans. Could be a fun deck to put together honestly.
Aminatou also has a loop in the precon. If you have secret arcade on the field and you play ondu spiritdancer you can copy ondu ininitely. Then you can pair this with several constellations effects as payoff. One of those effects ping you opponents for 1
Will be building Rendmaw & Marvin for sure! Two very different styles nether of which I have in my deck rotation, GOAD & combos respectively 🤙🏻
Happy to see an opinion on Winter that isn’t so doom and gloom. I’m super excited to build him, getting to reanimate a Portal to Phyrexia is going to feel crazy.
33:26 I love the Survivor mechanic, but some of my favorite vehicles are red and I needed a deck for Magda, so I ended up playing this strategy in Naya. Annie the Flash is great as the commander.
For the Jolly Balloon man, I went with a steal & sac type of deck, and so far, it worked well and was really fun to play !
Tomer is a fellow Arabella enjoyer. I approve (I saw her and instantly wanted to build a cheap token go wide deck with her)
There's an infinite in the Hakbal precon: Deeproot Pilgrimage + Reflections of Littjara to copy Kiora's Follower = infinite merfolk tokens
that deck is pretty good but it’s also a merfolk tribal deck. probably one of the more fun tribes but still a tribal deck
I think with the right creatures norrin could put opponents in a sortof "damned if you do, damned if you dont" position on blocking
Except that you have to pay the mana cost for the exiled card. Norin is the ultimate bad card and if you build even a semi-functional deck around it I salute you
@@ryanmac895 just play creatures that are both good as attackers and have entering or casting triggers that make the mana investment worth it, silly
@@superdimentiobrolyX lol and by turn 12 you may have something!
Finally an accurate assessment of Harrower. I see so many people saying he's bad. Insane
Show me on the doll where the enchantment decks hurt you.
The last time they did an enchantress precon was Wilds of Eldraine and it was aura based. The only other time that I can remember was Commander Masters and it was constellation / enchantment creatures. Bello is technically an enchantment deck, but I would argue it's doing something very different.
This is the first precon that is a fairly normal enchantress deck and can use all enchantments rather than specific types of enchantments or set-specific enchantment archetypes.
Not really. There has been 4 different enchantment based precons you didn't mencioned. 2 aura based Dogmet and Galea (to be fair half enchantments half equipment) and 2 enchantresses (Daxos andEstrid). Does this justify Tomer's apathy towards the achetype? Idc excitement is a personal thing but there are other equally popular precon archetypes that don't get this reaction from him like tokens, sacrifice, graveyard, landfall etc.
Also the "70% of the cards are gonna be generic enchantress stuff" argument is flawed because most of those cards are green or selesnya so I dont think its fair to say that about Aminatou or even Erriete from WoE (another non green enchantress commander) since she cared about auras specifically and she also wanted you to be casting stuff like pacify effects on creatures which isnt your typical enchantress stuff, also I think Aminatou is a really cool twist on enchanterss that wants you to basically play draw go control.
I was looking for this comment! There have been a lot of enchantment decks but they are all doing something relatively different. Enchantment value, enchantment Voltron, enchantment go wide, enchantment recursion and ETB’s. Then even non pre con legendaries that care about enchantments are doing something different like playing politically or theft. We’ve had so many +1 / +1 counters decks and legendaries and they all do the same thing and want the same cards. I would much rather have another unique feeling enchantment deck than another deck that feels like a worse Shalai and Hallar
She just seems boring to me. She's an Atraxa that cares about enchantments instead. Same problem where if you include any blink or copies she's already broken. It's great to be able to build a commander with less restrictions but this feels like an Ur-Dragon situation to me where she's always the correct choice for enchantments since she's too flexible. Imagine if Jodah just said "creature" instead of "legendary spell". That's this card.
@@ThePancaked1 That’s only Marina though, Aminatou is a completely different story. Also with Marina you still have to cast all of those enchantments. They don’t go on to the battlefield like Ur-Dragon. This also can put you at a disadvantage if someone is playing more control because they see what cards you just put in your hand. If you put too many powerful enchantments in your hand this way, similar to Ur-Dragon players, you’re just going to get hated off the board. She also doesn’t have eminence or buff the board and cascade like the ones you mentioned, and like Atraxa doesn’t have the stat line to backup the ability. Marina won’t be the go-to enchantress
I don’t remember where I saw it but I will only be referring to The Jolly Balloon Man as Squeaky-Jiki for the foreseeable future.
Seen a lot of pays to play Jolly Balloon Man (JBM) already. Even seen someone show a full modular deck so copy a modular out, let it die and move the +1+1 counters to another creature and keep doing that till you got a massive creature. Not only that but most modulars are a 0/0 so making them a 1/1 flier is actually a plus and can be useful with an ozalith or other similar counter buffing effects.
I'm a math grad student and primo is ABSOLUTELY my favorite MTG card!
Swarmweaver seems like a good commander because it combines two somewhat anemic tribes and makes a super tribal deck!
There's a 2 card infinite in the Family Matters precon from Bloomburrow, it has Combat Celebrant and Helm of the Host!
I think it would be fun to build Rendmaw in several narrow but specific archetypes. Like going golgari enchantress and playing as many enchantment creatures as possible or the one I think would be fun to force, some sort of Golgari affinity deck with as many artifact creatures as possible. He seems actually so open ended.
Arabella is def hype I have a Zurzoth cavalcade deck that never really took off and I'm thinking of rebuilding it with Arabella. Also looking forward to the golgari precon with winter and rendmaw
Loreth of the healing house+Marvin+the new 5 color commander gives infinite lock/unlocks like u were speaking of
I'm going to make a Kianne SorceryFlash deck, and maybe a Marina Grixis Enchantress deck, only using those colors for spells and some blink to draw the cards. And as a side note Gen is a graveyard enchantress in Mardu colors too 💫
The Mindskinner finally makes Mind Bomb good!!!! This is huge news!!!
The Mindskinner looks awesome, but is so easy to keep off of the field 😭
I've been messing around with the precon Zimone and while she's a good combo commander she makes an excellent sneak attack commander by using top deck manipulation and any type of fetch lands to drop haymakers turn after turn
I get that you are bored with enchantress Tomer but I think that it is a good thing that popular archetypes get precons semi often. Precons usually are only available for 1-2 years at a reasonable price so getting new precons maintains the ability for new players to start with particular archetype and maintain archetype staple cards at a reasonable price. Also with at least 4 precons per every set we can afford some repetition in theme.
I loop my reanimations all the time so yes finality and anything else that exiles is the worst for my yard decks xD I'll bring the same thing back like 20 times in a game because it is funny.
Looking forward to see a jolly baloon 25 bucks list!
Man mono blue voltron mill is probably my new favorite thing that I think I can do
my friejds and i did some proxy testing and think the jolly baloon man is alot stronger than he looks, he made some really sick plays possible
Seeing prime numbers referenced in Magic makes this math teacher very, very happy 😁 not a good card, but I will be building that deck
Richard is always like "you can't play that everyone is just gonna kill you" and also "you shouldn't really play anything until the turn you can win"
So how are people gonna kill you then :D I don't think 0/2 plants are enough
I actually put Arabella into my jeskai Zinnia deck as arabella works really well with the offspring mechanic
Why would one want to lock a room? To be able to retrigger the effect if it has an enters type effect?
i pulled nashi alt-art in prerelease and hardly want to do an aura -voltron with some self mill (lab maniac). Are you planning to make a list of him?
Also there is Phyresis that gives your nashi infect!
Rendmaw is my 1st golgari deck. Feels both unique for that combinarion while also having a cool gameplan (summon the swarm for everyone to peck each other to death) to make it worth building, rather than the typical aristocrats/yard nonsense.
Behind you on the enchantress thing. I can hardly play mono-red in the recent years due to the amount of must remove enchantment decks and red still having no reliable enchantment removal.
1:07:47 actually they have infinites in a couple recent precons. There are infinite combos in the precons energy matters MH3 precon as well in the most recent Bello animate trash precon
Zinnia too.
To my knowledge Atraxa was the first with one, and Ur-Dragon has one too. These days they're pretty common.
Sad to see Toby in the trash! I might try building him with a bunch of sacrifice outlets and Sun Titan effects.
In the long run, Aminatou is going to be absolutely miserable to play against as people add obvious upgrades. They will be using topdeck manipulation and cheap draw effects on everyone’s turn to play stax and value enchantments at huge discount until they eventually cheat out backbreaking stuff like Omniscience by using top of library tutors and win, backed up by a select suite of high-quality interaction to protect their boards. May you have many games when this deck plays Rhystic Study for U.
JBM is a really good commander for a budget deck and in MTG Arena.
Altanak is indeed great in reanimator style! But he can be a great budget mono green beatdown commander, 7mana 9/9 trample is very nice. I thought you were the budget master but i guess you didnt see the vision this time. Rather see someone play this than another thrun
Suprised you didn't put norin as great in the 99. He's great in any deck based around attack triggers. You don't have to do any crazy combos, he just let's you attack without dying basically.
I mopped the floor with my five opponents thanks to Demonic Covenant.
The jolly balloon man goes infinite with aurelia the warleader and a mana dork or without the dork it's combats equal to the amount of mana you have
You'll need a way to activate The Jolly Balloon Man at instant speed, like Thousand-Year Elixir. Otherwise pairing him with Aurelia doesn't work so well, since her ability grants combat after combat, no main phase, and TJBM can only be activated at sorcery speed.
Tomer please build a Depala or selesnya vehicles deck and show us how cool they are
Kona is one of the reasons I'm not ashamed to keep my lightning bolts in all red decks.
Toby works really well in my Winota aggro deck.
There is infinite combat in Zinnia, with Combat Celebrant offspring + Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive
Jolly Balloon man, you mean Squeaky Jiki, right?
Arabella is being made immediately. One of the many uncommons
Narci isn't really a graveyard enchantress at all, if anything she's more of a weird Aristocrat Enchantress
Spirit of the Night was the first of the ritual summon creatures.
Self mill from dealing combat damage has been on the rise since MH3 with cards like barrowghoyf
Norin doesn't look that weak to me. What if you just fill your deck with cheap creatures that ETB for value. Like the ones that create a treasure token. If people block, you get value, if they don't they take damage. I bet many people would rather take 2-3 damage than give you value, but you would need some finisher for when they actually start blocking for their life.
Also isn't Tyvar just a scuffed Zopandrel? I guess if you go wide and have one really tall creature he's better but.. Zopandrel
The Mindskinner will be my new voltron commander
how does the "winter, misanthropic guide" hand size effect stack w no hand size effects opponent's may have? i assume their effect overwrites it so this is jus bad at any table playing reliquary tower
if you’re in a playgroup with people that still play reliquary towers they probably suck anyway
@eebbaa5560 for one thing, needlessly rude. for another, if you're drawing a lot of cards (everyone is lol) it's nice to have a way to keep those cards that's hard to remove
@@x9nn reliquary tower is a dead card in pretty much every deck. if you consistently have more than seven cards in your hand and you’re not finding ways to progress the game state in any way by playing those cards, then you’re either a bad player, a bad deckbuilder, or both. ironically, stuffing your deck full of bad cards like reliquary tower is a surefire way of making sure that this happens to you.
@@eebbaa5560 ok bro
@eebbaa5560 okay we get it you watch youtube shorts by mtg content creators.
The super powerful ones like kona and lord of pain are SOOOOO boring and the play patterns are gonna be lame and yawn inducing like the first game you play them.
Way prefer stuff like arabella. Mindskinner is the coolest commander in the entire set BY FAR. So unique with how it does what it does
Say it's name should have a clause that you can have 3 of them in your deck.
Victor in go shintai seems pretty good
Hear me out: Norin + every red 1 drop. Just start jamming
see Toby in my Hylda deck is scary so i wouldnt say hes trash
i hope this thumbnail is clickbait and you don’t actually think that the precon valgavoth is good and that jolly balloon man is mid
Tomer, if you really want to make your opponents sweat while you play Valgavoth, Harrower of Souls, then slot in a copy of Feast on the Fallen and watch Valgavoth grow immense. 😂
I'm going to Saw in Half Primo. Not so indivisible now, are you?
Norin gunna be a house in my Yoshi Rograkh legends deck :)))
Dude use a dark filter extension for your browser its really painful to watch this white scryfall lol
Tomer hates enchantments. Confirmed.
Toby is not trash at all you can play mono white blink with him and run token doublers etc. You did not see the vision at all here
Sans-green enchantress! Woah there! Risking playing a deck that makes a decision!
The 5c room commander is probably the most boring thing they could have printed. Frame 1, they print a "room commander" and just hand the build to you. This era of design is half interesting stuff they finally have the confidence to print and half "do x to do y, do enough y and z happens." Snoozefest.
The hate for exile and finality counters is being forced to make a decision. Having to think ahead about what the game is actually going to look like and reanimating specific threats, rather than just recurring the biggest idiot you can every turn, turn after turn, 40 times in a row.
every 5c commander is like this lol. they all just build a deck for you it’s so boring. as for your other point, i think graveyard hate is actually too easy to come by nowadays and all the finality counter stuff is just making reanimator a worse archetype imo. it’s already pretty easy to play around without all your cards getting exiled when they die.
30:00 I see the pun there