I like to believe this wasn't planned and Ian just hopped on a tour bus, wrestled the microphone out of the hands of the guide and gave his captive audience an hours lecture on WW1
For the first time ever I would suggest that Ian does more research before he come out with statments such as 'Haig was an idiot' and Let US forces breed. Better to kep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than open it and prove you are.
I have spent a lot of time studying the Great War. so yes when somone of Ian's standing is inaccurate I get out of my pram. As for my sense of humour, my best ever comic is Dave Allen.
51WCDodge Go ahead. You have the floor now you've criticized the speaker. Tell us all how he is "factually in error." We can't wait for your erudition to come to the forefront. You tell us all about the French Mutiny.
What we don’t see is Ian’s other hand holding an original Mauser pistol to the driver and crowd while he calmly lectures them on obscure French military history.
Moreover, the crowd needed menace to stay put because they endure the sighting of the miserable cars populating the french streets nowadays... (I know that well, I'm french )
TheSatanicTicTac being a British person i have nothing but respect for the French people, I know we have a shared history that goes back thousands of years both linguistically and culturally, even genetically. but like all people we have also has had our ups and downs. Sadly the British sense of humour and culture of making fun of our friends has changed from making fun of our friends to cope with what both nations endured into a form of nationalistic one up man ship, when past events should have brought us closer together through a shared horrific experience it's been corrupted by time into an abomination by national pride, ignorance and incorrect education of the events.
TheSatanicTicTac this is a bit like Americans complaining about being viewed as overly patriotic, fat, and generally kind of stupid. France used to be what America is these days to a lot of people, a frequent display of obnoxious self importance while pissing on everyone else, thanks to well known public figures like Napoleon Bonaparte and Charles De Gaulle to name a couple off of the top of my head. You're just lucky America came along and televised itself at its worst and stole the spotlight. It's not to say either country fully deserves its reputation, just that you have some skeletons in your closet.
No sorry, Morgan is out of warranty - keep him, or scrap him, we don't care. No quality was guaranteed or implied at the time of sale. You could have had a look at British TV before buying, but you didn't, so tough luck.
The barter analogy for Piers is a little off. I think it'd make more sense for us to get angry at the Brits for giving us a sexually transmitted disease, because that's pretty close to what happened. Like we need any more diseases. We already have Michael Moore and Diane Fienstein.
I have read that the French soldiers would make sheep-like 'baa'-ing noises as they attacked during the Neville Offensive, referencing sheep about to be slaughtered, in a form of very dark gallows humor.
@@thorodinson5034 that's how Finns say it as well. In this case we might have arrived at this tactic independently, even though much of the rest of our military traditions originate from the "jaegers" who went to Germany to receive military training during WW1 and then formed the backbone of our army in WW2.
These men had a point - the officers were all trained to fight the 1870 war and not the 20th century one with barbed wire, tanks and machine guns. "Line up and charge" and the "fervor" of the troops was supposed to overwhelm German machine guns. and the moronic officers just kept doing it! Year after year, ordering the men to line up and charge against full auto machine gun fire, it was madness and they did what any men would do. The French tried to keep the mutinies quiet and they responded with great ferocity against the mutinous solders, executing many! WW1 was a giant lethal cluster-fuck, hideous in every way - millions slaughtered, blown up, machine gunned and gassed, horrible leadership at all levels, suffering and death by the millions and what was the result - an even worse war 20 years later!
@@robertmaybeth3434 and the "marines" (expeditionnary corps) haves makes a column move in front of mg / mortars at "bois bellau" despite britains and frenchs adverts them on a outdated state of war perception...pyrrhus one... no offense
I had a history teacher one year who was like this when we went over Henry the eighth. Would just start once the bell rang and it just spilled out smooth like a story, and when class was over you actually learned a lot about the subject.
That's funny... all the history teachers I had in high school were the same way. The whole department was filled with super eccentric guys. Without a doubt the only classes I actually enjoyed going to.
I Had an engineering lecturer who was the same. Best lectures I ever went to. Unfortunately engineering exams rarely test you on history so you were on your own in that regard.
our ISD's problem was that they spent every bit of extra money on the sports department. Due to an oil boom our school received something like a quarter-million towards renovations and improvements, and after the contractors quoted the price for the new football stadium, baseball field, tennis courts, etc. the teachers' salaries were all reduced by like 1.50 an hour, except the coaches. Most of the good teachers went off to Poth ISD which payed like 5 bucks an hour more than we did originally. Only good teachers that stayed were either coaches, or our business teacher/1900's history aficionado, the Henry the Eighth guy and the track/field coach who was also the biology teacher. Thing is, we have always had a complete shit football team. As far as successful programs go, we have powerlifting and UIL Speech and debate, and some 4H stuff, but the ISD keeps pouring money into sports. They did just finish rebuilding the school in it's entirety, but i know that since i've been there the structure has benefited from the increase in funding, but that hurts the teachers and by extention the students as well, they're being payed absolute minimum wage there, one physics/calc/algebra/chemistry teacher I know personally there works there mornings for an hour only, then drives upstate to another highschool that pays better to teach for the rest of the day.
I think itsl's safe to say Ian has a lot of knowledge but I always wondered if he would read up on fire arms before doing a Forgotten Weapons video for that specific gun/rifle, after all he would mention a lot of info on the time and place it was being used and mention why it was or was not a "hit". I guess know I know Ian is pretty damn smart in this area.
"We're driving and you can't get away from me" he said, not as a joke but as a statement of fact to the 40 people inside the tour bus to Euro Disney he hijacked at Lebelpoint.
I think this goes to show something we may forget sometimes. Ian isn't just some youtuber, he is a credible historian. That's what gets him access to many collections which are not open to the general public. So, thanks for spreading all this history that would otherwise be hidden away.
NOT AS CAREER. If someone choose to do that as a career, it would be like speaking about exactly same thing to different people everyday. Ian is definitely type of people who wanna speak different thing each day.
I'm french and I 'd like to say something about Ian, I was very moved to know and to see he went to Verdun and especially to the Fort de Vaux, it is a very special place where so many men died uselessly, I love this place, so far and so close....
There were two other reasons why the germans did not exploit the mutinies. One was that the frech stayed in their trenches and defended them. Like Ian said, for the most part they only refused to go over the top, The other reason was the fear that the mutinies would infect the german troops like a disease.
KyleOfCanada it is an old joke. He dressed as Jesus at a Halloween shoot with a three barreled shotgun and one year gave a "reading from the gospel of Saint John Browning" as a holiday special video. I understand your concern though.
7.65 Longue is pretty much just .30 Pederson. A bit of an interesting piece of history, an utter pain in the ass if you want to actually shoot a piece of history chambered in this caliber.
"Since we're driving and you can't get away from me" - Yeah, I get the same thign Ian... My friends/gf/family really have to be chained to their seats for them to actually listen to something I consider interesting.
In regards to the last little part of the video, while it such a mutiny didn't happen in the German Army it did happen in the German Navy which started a revolution that lead to Wilhelm II abdicating and the Weimar Republic forming.
It did not happen the same way during the war. One argument is to say Verdun became a collective experience that was widely shared among soldiers and by extent among the population, from which unrest socially grew.
My understanding is that there were in fact Communist revolts among German units. The Hardcore History podcast did an episode about WW1 recently, and I think there was an anecdote about a German soldier getting up on top of a rock, preaching loudly to his unit about revolution, and then breaking his rifle and refusing to fight. Communist sentiment was strong enough that units on the Eastern Front (Germans and Russians) were starting to become 'infected' with these ideas even across no-mans-land and each government had to be careful about 'political contamination' of units which were rotated out of the frontlines.
It is reported how heavily the troops who had been sent from the homeland to the front were "poisoned" by Bolshevist propaganda. Soldiers who still wanted to fight were berated as "strikebreakers". The "Spartakusbriefe" and other propaganda pamphlets sent by the extreme left called for giving up. The Allied propaganda seized this protest movement and showered the front with millions of airplanes dropped leaflets in which such defeatist statements were collected.
JosipRadnik1 Nivelle was incompetent and a criminal. The French Army was exhausted and tired and demoralized in 1918. Why do you think the French panicked 20 years later?!
Wrickerish Wrung "And what?" -Patrice O'Neal on how to handle a women. What other options do you have for me? Zero. You just have nothing else to talk about
I didn't know. My grandpa was a SPAD 13 mechanic in the 94th Aero Squadron and often worked on Eddie Rickenbacker's shot-up SPAD 13 in France 1917-1918. He talked about having to drop the tools and pick-up a rifle to defend the airfield regularly. I got those stories first-hand and largely due to that, I joined the Marine Corps right out of high school. Thanks Ian. I like your presentations. Well done, Sir.
i can just imagine Ian holding the driver hostage taking his pa system away and then forcing everyone on the bus to listen to his gun history presentation
It was Pétain who quelled the mutinies by visiting the troops and improving their conditions, not Foch. Within less than 2 months, the situation was solved and moral restored but the result was no more huge "breakthrough" offensive but rather small scale, well planned and coordinated operations to capture key, strategic points such as the 2nd battle of Verdun or the battle of La Malmaison. The strategy of Pétain was "I'm waiting for either the tanks or the americans" to obtain the numerical superiority before planning any new big offensive. If you want to know more about the mutinies, Pétain or ww1 in general, i invite you to follow the awesome "The Great War" youtube channel. About Pétain : ua-cam.com/video/H4lna6vVSl4/v-deo.html The Great War Channel : ua-cam.com/channels/UcyEsEjhPEDf69RRVhRh4A.html
On the day France won the Football world cup I was sitting outside a cafe in Amion talking to Petain's grandson. It is one of the regrets of history that Petain, who by that time was in his 80's and probably suffering Demintia was dragged back and made to take the blame for the French surrender in WW2.
The blame isn't on the surrender, but the proactive cooperation with nazis and deportation of undesirables. They did more then was expected of them in that regard...
Synthusiast It is said that there are many roundabouts in France because the cities receive financial aid for every bit of flowers or vegetation planted (because flowers = good looking towns). When what better place than a roundabout to plant flowers?
Damn Gun Jesus can turn history into a shared experience. Very few can make that happen in a way where the audience is drawn in and feels a very small measure of what those that came before us felt. Thank you Ian for sharing this!
Very interesting thank’s ! I’m French and I admit we don’t learn this in high school anymore, funny that I have to listen to an American explaining my country’s history... :)
Honestly, I really enjoy Ian's method of explaining and detailing historical events like this. I wish he would do more videos like this one. He has a very easy-going way of describing events.
Wow Now I really want you to do entire wartime history segments, your lecture was incredibly engaging and enjoyable. This is one of the most entertaining history lessons I’ve had.
As a relatively new viewer of Forgotten Weapons, I sometimes wonder if Ian has notes just off camera that he refers to if his mind goes blank, but after watching this, I'm certain his mind is a library of firearms and history. Glorious.
This guy is way too impressive. Imagine being the actual tour guide on this trip once you realize someone like Ian is with you. He's so sweet, but it's got to be intimidating.
As a fellow Francophile, that was an *awesome* little lecture - fascinating, and educational. In less than 15 minutes, not only you managed to mention several details about trench warfare that I didn't know about, but, more importantly, painted a broad picture of the entire political and military climate of the era in relation to those details. Well done!
JAMES HAY, why should I not have sympathies and preferences? My countrymen fought *against* the Nazis, not for them - and I'm damn proud of that. Not all cultures are born "equal", and not all sides are equally evil in a war (although that's sometimes the case). Please don't insult me by comparison to Nazi sympathizers. Also, how does that make me biased when it comes to the historical truth? And why would it? PS. So you're telling me Ian is also "deluded". And yet you're watching his videos. Gotcha.
It is normal for a Frenchman to be biased towards his native country (given the way you use English, I assume you are American- not a French citizen). It is unnatural, unhealthy and unwise for people to hold biases in favor of other countries- whether that country be England, Germany, Russia, France, or any other. You do not live there, and you do not know the culture well enough to trust it above your own. Given the 2,200 year-long reputation of the Gauls, Franks and French for treachery towards allies and neighbors alike... I particularly would not recommend France!
JAMES HAY, you assume too many things: 1) You assume I'm American - wrong, I'm European. 2) You assume no Frenchman can use the English language well. 3) You assume that I'm unfamiliar with the French culture. In fact, I might know more about the French culture, politics and *language* than I do about the US. 4) You assume that I prefer the French culture to my own - wrong again. 5) You assume I don't live there. Currently correct, but you wouldn't know. What's "unnatural, unhealthy and unwise" is the irrational hatred some Americans seem to exhibit towards all things French, despite the fact that France has supported you throughout your (very short) history. If I'm also allowed to _assume_ - I'd guess you're of the G.W.Bush school of thought, the one who labels anyone who doesn't blindly obey you as an enemy. Enjoy your Freedom Fries. PS. I avoid divulging personal information on social platforms, but since I've already made an exception I'll say one more thing, without telling you where exactly I am from (have fun guessing). The one "ally" who last betrayed my country was the United States, by unashamedly supporting a certain military dictatorship. Despite that, I don't hold that against the entirety of the American people. Unlike you, I at least try to keep my biases in check.
Europeans are being systematically brainwashed to accept an artificial, homogenized "European" identity- to replace the old artificial, homogenized "National" identities their ancestors were brainwashed with. New lamps for old, with the same result. French, German, Italian, Spanish... those became political identities in the 19th Century- when governments worked overtime to erase ethnic differences (and usually any religion that could not be co-opted into a "State Religion"). Even "British", although older, is iffy- squeezing Scots, English, and Welsh into a lump. What is a Frenchman? A Gaul? A Frank? A Burgundian? A Breton? "Frenchman" was just a catch-all term for people who lived in a certain geographical area under a single centralized government. The Revolutionaries and Napoleon twisted the term into a fascist political identity. Italy, Germany, Spain, and other countries copied, for one reason or another. "Gallic" is no more real-world than "Aryan". "European" won't be, either. Note: your fear of mentioning your national citizenship shows how effective EU propaganda has been on you. :/
+Jambesyboy31 It was banned at its initial release, because we were still engaged in Algerian War and since this war was really nasty on so many points, the government had no choice but to enforce censorship everywhere.
I've only been a Forgotten Weapons subscriber for a few months but I'm in awe of Ian's knowledge of military history and weapons. This video is proof that he doesn't study material the night before in order to sound like an expert but instead he actually knows and lives it. My dream would be to board a tour bus and look over only to see Ian sitting in the seat next to me.
Russian looking name, not a bad decision to sit out the assaults. The general Russian Plan of Attack was, "Throw a shit load of men at the Germans, they will run out of ammo for their machine guns eventually." Unfortunately, they legitimately managed this at Stalingrad, they actually ran at the encircled Germans until the Germans ran out of ammo, and bloodshed was legitimately river worthy there.
@@Jeremiah90526 nice fable, throwing soldiers at the enemy until they finish ammo isn't a thing in military tactic and it will never be, the soviets broke trough the axis lines in two sides and one of these sides was defended by the Italians, unfortunately for the soldiers of my nation, with their underwhelming equipment they never had a chance against soviet tanks, it is said that some of our soldiers or generals (idk honestly) called our tanks "bare da morto" wich translates to coffin because they were shit, so no the soviets didn't do that, I went on a tangent on the Italian army because why not, it's interesting, our soldiers were not idiots and cowards, just under equipped
This is a really enjoyable talk to listen to. The fact it's very casual makes it very easy to take in and very pleasant to here. Frankly I'd love to hear Ian talk more about weird, obscure, or simply interesting bits from World War I, World War II, or other conflicts in history if this is a sample of what he's capable of.
Before even watching, I just want to note how incredible it is that you can provide an impromptu history on the French mutinies of 1917. Kudos to you and thank you for the videos.
"This (the mutinies), to my knowledge, never happened to the german army." Doesn't the Kiel mutiny of 1918 count though? I know it was the german navy but still, very similar reasons and historically super significant as it pretty much ended the German empire. Awesome video as always though Ian!
Yes, however, those mutinies happened in the German Navy, not the German Army. Moreover, nearly all of the Germans who fought in the Freikorps units, who put down the communist uprising in German, had been in the army.
Forget swamp people and all those Alaska weirdos, the History Channel needs to offer Ian a show. Some history, some forgotten weapons style showings, mostly connected. Talk about the battle, then the weapons involved. Ian gets full control of everything. I would watch the hell out of that!
1320crusier doesn’t even touch WWII, for many reasons, one of them being the sheer size, scope and scale of the slaughter. What, about 50% more fatalities in WWII compared to WWI. The horror and slaughter of the Asian theatre alone is comparable-or even exceeds-that of WWI. That being from India-to Guadalcanal and everything in between.
H3x4r35 It’s the same problem in the US. It seems any new roundabout that gets put in is in a place where it’s not just not necessary, but actually makes traffic worse and more confusing.
It's really cool how detailed you're able to talk about historical events like mutinies in the First World War. I already loved the video where you were talking about the French Resistance with that V sign on the rifle , but that video sure was even more fascinating.
Very good presentation but : - the real hero of Verdun is Petain. He's the guy who really fixed the situation and allowed the french army to hold the line. Nivelle was his second in command and took his place when Petain was promoted. Neville finished the job but was a little bit too praised for the victory (that victory and him being fluent in English allowed him to become commander in chief). - I think people are a little to harsh on Haig. While it's totally true a lot of lives were lost because of his decisions, we judge him afterwards, having more info on the situation that he had. War changed a lot during WW1 and people had to invent new tactics and strategies during the conflict. Haig wasn't Napoleon but neither an incompetent.
I think that Petain being the hero of Verdun is the reason that he was not executed for having been head of the Vichy government; the sentence of death given him by the court of the épuration légale was commuted to lifelong confinement.
I would love to see more of these! Maybe a french walk through of WWI. I know there is way to much to talk about but still, just super super interesting. I would have loved to have you as my college history professor!
I absolutely loved your take on this particular subject Ian. I would really love for you to do more along this line. I know its not quite within the realm of Forgotten Weapons but a series on the French Poilu from your POV/studies I would greatly appreciate! Maybe tuned more anlong the implementation of their weapons and tactics. As always I appreciate your hard work and dedication in the preservation and proliferation of the weapons of war.
"sir this coach is going to euro Disney and would you please stop scaring the children"
72jonboy hahahaha
Hahaha
I legit spit out my drink
Lol
Meanwhile all the dads: no let him continue.
Well, Ian has finally snapped...he's wandering the European countryside, hijacking random tour buses and giving impromptu lectures on WWI history.
This is what happens when you enter the fantasy world of "French Glory".
Hahahaha
XD he can join my bus ride enny time xD
He just can't find that french long.
Gun Jesus spreading the gospel.
I like to believe this wasn't planned and Ian just hopped on a tour bus, wrestled the microphone out of the hands of the guide and gave his captive audience an hours lecture on WW1
"Now, we will discuss the evolution of the Berthier. And if you don't pay proper attention, the Bergmann...."
Michael Walters You just can't hop in a bus full of French people and talk to them in English though ^^ they won't understand shit
"the anglo saxon breed" yeah I can see why the french are labelled as "arrogant assholes"
@@md.shihabsharar8753 Now now children - fight nicely!
@@Narsence lies! If you shout loud enough, they understand!
Pretty good for an "off the top of your head" lecture.
For the first time ever I would suggest that Ian does more research before he come out with statments such as 'Haig was an idiot' and Let US forces breed. Better to kep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than open it and prove you are.
Pity there were a number of factual errors, very serious factual errors.
I bet you're a fun guy to hang around with
I have spent a lot of time studying the Great War. so yes when somone of Ian's standing is inaccurate I get out of my pram. As for my sense of humour, my best ever comic is Dave Allen.
51WCDodge Go ahead. You have the floor now you've criticized the speaker. Tell us all how he is "factually in error." We can't wait for your erudition to come to the forefront. You tell us all about the French Mutiny.
I'd ride that bus
Logan Carpenter All day long, bro.
Sapo Maybe just follow Ian home from a distance, then.
Perhaps in addition to forgotten weapons you can put few more videos like this?
dad?
Best bus.
What we don’t see is Ian’s other hand holding an original Mauser pistol to the driver and crowd while he calmly lectures them on obscure French military history.
Nah he's got a SACM 1935A in the best caliber...the Lord's Caliber 32 French Longue
It is an obscure Pistol ,of FRENCH origin.
Moreover, the crowd needed menace to stay put because they endure the sighting of the miserable cars populating the french streets nowadays...
(I know that well, I'm french )
Nah man, he used a Chamelot-Delvigne.
When you such a huge Francophile that you can literally take over a historical tour, you've done life correctly.
Every nation is overrated nowadays.
TheSatanicTicTac it seems whenever any country comes up everyone has to make fun of it, don't you agree?
TheSatanicTicTac
being a British person i have nothing but respect for the French people, I know we have a shared history that goes back thousands of years both linguistically and culturally, even genetically. but like all people we have also has had our ups and downs.
Sadly the British sense of humour and culture of making fun of our friends has changed from making fun of our friends to cope with what both nations endured into a form of nationalistic one up man ship, when past events should have brought us closer together through a shared horrific experience it's been corrupted by time into an abomination by national pride, ignorance and incorrect education of the events.
TheSatanicTicTac this is a bit like Americans complaining about being viewed as overly patriotic, fat, and generally kind of stupid. France used to be what America is these days to a lot of people, a frequent display of obnoxious self importance while pissing on everyone else, thanks to well known public figures like Napoleon Bonaparte and Charles De Gaulle to name a couple off of the top of my head. You're just lucky America came along and televised itself at its worst and stole the spotlight. It's not to say either country fully deserves its reputation, just that you have some skeletons in your closet.
In this case, he should study more , before making comments.
"Fanatical American nationalist takes tourists hostages in France: Preaches violence and anti-foreigner hatred. More at 11" -Piers Morgan
24680kong 👍🏻
Morgan is a Dick- can we send him back to wherever he came from. We want our country back!
No no no - you took him, you can keep him. You can have the Royal Family too, if you're interested?
No sorry, Morgan is out of warranty - keep him, or scrap him, we don't care. No quality was guaranteed or implied at the time of sale. You could have had a look at British TV before buying, but you didn't, so tough luck.
The barter analogy for Piers is a little off. I think it'd make more sense for us to get angry at the Brits for giving us a sexually transmitted disease, because that's pretty close to what happened. Like we need any more diseases. We already have Michael Moore and Diane Fienstein.
“Ian kidnaps a group of innocent tourists to educate them. Injuries reported”
Mostly to the pride of the tourists.
Knowledge reported.
Need a forgotten history channel
Oh boy, I can only imagine how easily that could start offending people.
It's a wonderful thought.
InRange Old West Vignettes are a good start :)
Yeah... As long as you drop "forgotten" what might be new info to some might be an old wound to others.
Yes!
I have read that the French soldiers would make sheep-like 'baa'-ing noises as they attacked during the Neville Offensive, referencing sheep about to be slaughtered, in a form of very dark gallows humor.
They should have made "Määäh", that's how Germans describe the sounds of sheeps, to get the surprise attack
i cant tell if this is real or you just fuckin with frenchies lmao
@@thorodinson5034 that's how Finns say it as well. In this case we might have arrived at this tactic independently, even though much of the rest of our military traditions originate from the "jaegers" who went to Germany to receive military training during WW1 and then formed the backbone of our army in WW2.
These men had a point - the officers were all trained to fight the 1870 war and not the 20th century one with barbed wire, tanks and machine guns. "Line up and charge" and the "fervor" of the troops was supposed to overwhelm German machine guns. and the moronic officers just kept doing it! Year after year, ordering the men to line up and charge against full auto machine gun fire, it was madness and they did what any men would do. The French tried to keep the mutinies quiet and they responded with great ferocity against the mutinous solders, executing many! WW1 was a giant lethal cluster-fuck, hideous in every way - millions slaughtered, blown up, machine gunned and gassed, horrible leadership at all levels, suffering and death by the millions and what was the result - an even worse war 20 years later!
@@robertmaybeth3434 and the "marines" (expeditionnary corps) haves makes a column move in front of mg / mortars at "bois bellau"
despite britains and frenchs adverts them on a outdated state of war perception...pyrrhus one... no offense
Just shows how knowledgable Ian is, even speaking unprepared 👍
I had a history teacher one year who was like this when we went over Henry the eighth. Would just start once the bell rang and it just spilled out smooth like a story, and when class was over you actually learned a lot about the subject.
That's funny... all the history teachers I had in high school were the same way. The whole department was filled with super eccentric guys. Without a doubt the only classes I actually enjoyed going to.
I Had an engineering lecturer who was the same. Best lectures I ever went to. Unfortunately engineering exams rarely test you on history so you were on your own in that regard.
our ISD's problem was that they spent every bit of extra money on the sports department. Due to an oil boom our school received something like a quarter-million towards renovations and improvements, and after the contractors quoted the price for the new football stadium, baseball field, tennis courts, etc. the teachers' salaries were all reduced by like 1.50 an hour, except the coaches. Most of the good teachers went off to Poth ISD which payed like 5 bucks an hour more than we did originally. Only good teachers that stayed were either coaches, or our business teacher/1900's history aficionado, the Henry the Eighth guy and the track/field coach who was also the biology teacher.
Thing is, we have always had a complete shit football team. As far as successful programs go, we have powerlifting and UIL Speech and debate, and some 4H stuff, but the ISD keeps pouring money into sports.
They did just finish rebuilding the school in it's entirety, but i know that since i've been there the structure has benefited from the increase in funding, but that hurts the teachers and by extention the students as well, they're being payed absolute minimum wage there, one physics/calc/algebra/chemistry teacher I know personally there works there mornings for an hour only, then drives upstate to another highschool that pays better to teach for the rest of the day.
I think itsl's safe to say Ian has a lot of knowledge but I always wondered if he would read up on fire arms before doing a Forgotten Weapons video for that specific gun/rifle, after all he would mention a lot of info on the time and place it was being used and mention why it was or was not a "hit".
I guess know I know Ian is pretty damn smart in this area.
"We're driving and you can't get away from me" he said, not as a joke but as a statement of fact to the 40 people inside the tour bus to Euro Disney he hijacked at Lebelpoint.
Nah man, he used a Chamelot-Delvigne revolver.
I think this goes to show something we may forget sometimes. Ian isn't just some youtuber, he is a credible historian. That's what gets him access to many collections which are not open to the general public.
So, thanks for spreading all this history that would otherwise be hidden away.
The money I would pay to have Ian as my guide through WW1 french battlefields...
Kkk, i'd like to have him as my guide to, are you BR?
If he had told before that he is part of travel group x, all spaces would have been booked out in minutes
Yup
Indy Nydell has a single tear on his face...
This is modern war
I'd like to see Ian's take on the Isonzo River
@@tackytrooper This will be the umpteenth attack at the Isonzo River and it will end in failure.
Ian, you should make a career of guided historical tours. I'd pay to see stuff like that.
Erebus definitely has the voice for it.
Same
Caleb Lennox and knowledge!
We should all just meet on the bus and roll around together listening to GJ for ever more
NOT AS CAREER. If someone choose to do that as a career, it would be like speaking about exactly same thing to different people everyday. Ian is definitely type of people who wanna speak different thing each day.
This is actually the plot of Speed 2. Keep talking about the French Mutinies of 1917 or the bus explodes.
Lmao underrated comment
So pretty much -
French army, 1914: Hon! Hon! Hon!
French army, 1917: Non! Non! Non!
I'm french and I 'd like to say something about Ian, I was very moved to know and to see he went to Verdun and especially to the Fort de Vaux, it is a very special place where so many men died uselessly, I love this place, so far and so close....
There were two other reasons why the germans did not exploit the mutinies. One was that the frech stayed in their trenches and defended them. Like Ian said, for the most part they only refused to go over the top,
The other reason was the fear that the mutinies would infect the german troops like a disease.
Preach to your captive audience Gun Jesus!
they have no choice
As much as I love Ian and his talks, you shouldn't blaspheme, even in jest.
KyleOfCanada it is an old joke. He dressed as Jesus at a Halloween shoot with a three barreled shotgun and one year gave a "reading from the gospel of Saint John Browning" as a holiday special video. I understand your concern though.
@@Khanclansith don't forget the Heckler & Koch acknowledged it as well
Gun Jesus saith unto them :I am the way, the truth, and the life of forgotten weapons, no man cometh unto the World of arms, but by me.
Only Ian would give an impromptu history lesson to a bus load of people while on vacation
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Those people probably had no idea who was talking to them.
Billybob The Cheeseburger it’s kind of a shame really.
Several people on the tour are here in part because I am...ua-cam.com/video/N8YZgx9Ndnw/v-deo.html
They didn’t know this was Gun Jesus’s famed “Sermon on the Bus”
*Pilot:* Ladies and Gentlemen this is your Captain spe-
*Ian takes over Intercom:* Everyone knows in the spring comes the next offensive...
What about French *LONG* ammo
7.65 Longue is pretty much just .30 Pederson. A bit of an interesting piece of history, an utter pain in the ass if you want to actually shoot a piece of history chambered in this caliber.
"Since we're driving and you can't get away from me" - Yeah, I get the same thign Ian... My friends/gf/family really have to be chained to their seats for them to actually listen to something I consider interesting.
Ian is my kind of ouiaboo.
Ha!
Welp, that's a new word I'm borrowing
@@somercet1 Do you weigh 400 lbs and take pride in your browsing of reddit by any chance?
thats a good one
In regards to the last little part of the video, while it such a mutiny didn't happen in the German Army it did happen in the German Navy which started a revolution that lead to Wilhelm II abdicating and the Weimar Republic forming.
It did not happen the same way during the war. One argument is to say Verdun became a collective experience that was widely shared among soldiers and by extent among the population, from which unrest socially grew.
My understanding is that there were in fact Communist revolts among German units. The Hardcore History podcast did an episode about WW1 recently, and I think there was an anecdote about a German soldier getting up on top of a rock, preaching loudly to his unit about revolution, and then breaking his rifle and refusing to fight. Communist sentiment was strong enough that units on the Eastern Front (Germans and Russians) were starting to become 'infected' with these ideas even across no-mans-land and each government had to be careful about 'political contamination' of units which were rotated out of the frontlines.
Redchrome1 i have a hard time believing a German broke his rifle considering how its made, any sources?
It is reported how heavily the troops who had been sent from the homeland to the front were "poisoned" by Bolshevist propaganda. Soldiers who still wanted to fight were berated as "strikebreakers". The "Spartakusbriefe" and other propaganda pamphlets sent by the extreme left called for giving up. The Allied propaganda seized this protest movement and showered the front with millions of airplanes dropped leaflets in which such defeatist statements were collected.
JosipRadnik1 Nivelle was incompetent and a criminal. The French Army was exhausted and tired and demoralized in 1918.
Why do you think the French panicked 20 years later?!
I know the context but I like to imagine this was a tour of like 9th century France and Ian was just like
“Hey wanna hear about some mutiny’s in WWI?”
Honestly, Republic Commando deserves a remaster
Wrickerish Wrung heard the fun escape from the room
Wrickerish Wrung "And what?" -Patrice O'Neal on how to handle a women. What other options do you have for me? Zero. You just have nothing else to talk about
Don't bring the great Patrice into this you off topic, illogically hostile twit.
I love that game growing up
Yes
I didn't know. My grandpa was a SPAD 13 mechanic in the 94th Aero Squadron and often worked on Eddie Rickenbacker's shot-up SPAD 13 in France 1917-1918. He talked about having to drop the tools and pick-up a rifle to defend the airfield regularly. I got those stories first-hand and largely due to that, I joined the Marine Corps right out of high school.
Thanks Ian. I like your presentations. Well done, Sir.
i can just imagine Ian holding the driver hostage taking his pa system away and then forcing everyone on the bus to listen to his gun history presentation
God I love this man.
Edit: also RIP all french soldiers who died and all lives lost on both sides.
What you can't see is the M1892 Lebel revolver in Ian's other hand what he holds the bus at gunpoint with.
Damn, I made the same exact comment one year apart, without remembering it. I was even proud of myself for coming up with something "original".
How do I get on this tour bus?!
Link is in the description. :)
@Dan Didnot say less
@@ForgottenWeapons I think he means how does he get on a tour led by you specifically.
Which I am curious about as well :-)
@Dan didnot 🔔🔚
It was Pétain who quelled the mutinies by visiting the troops and improving their conditions, not Foch. Within less than 2 months, the situation was solved and moral restored but the result was no more huge "breakthrough" offensive but rather small scale, well planned and coordinated operations to capture key, strategic points such as the 2nd battle of Verdun or the battle of La Malmaison. The strategy of Pétain was "I'm waiting for either the tanks or the americans" to obtain the numerical superiority before planning any new big offensive.
If you want to know more about the mutinies, Pétain or ww1 in general, i invite you to follow the awesome "The Great War" youtube channel.
About Pétain : ua-cam.com/video/H4lna6vVSl4/v-deo.html
The Great War Channel : ua-cam.com/channels/UcyEsEjhPEDf69RRVhRh4A.html
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain
On the day France won the Football world cup I was sitting outside a cafe in Amion talking to Petain's grandson. It is one of the regrets of history that Petain, who by that time was in his 80's and probably suffering Demintia was dragged back and made to take the blame for the French surrender in WW2.
The blame isn't on the surrender, but the proactive cooperation with nazis and deportation of undesirables. They did more then was expected of them in that regard...
The man who was Charles Du Paty deClam, son of Armand Du Paty, one of the major carechters in the Dreyfus case.
It was that or complete German control.
Cool video. I hope you don't give up your day-job though. I need my Forgotten Weapons videos. lol
I refuse to give up my day job - oh sorry, you weren't talking to me.
so many roundabouts 😊
Is that a Dutch/Belgian navigationsystem running in the tourbus? 😄
Yup, Netherlandish voice, direction navigation system.
Our driver is Dutch. :)
We've got a lot of roundabouts in France ;)
Synthusiast It is said that there are many roundabouts in France because the cities receive financial aid for every bit of flowers or vegetation planted (because flowers = good looking towns). When what better place than a roundabout to plant flowers?
Yeahhhh that's kinda true but when you see the cost of one roundabout....
Damn Gun Jesus can turn history into a shared experience. Very few can make that happen in a way where the audience is drawn in and feels a very small measure of what those that came before us felt.
Thank you Ian for sharing this!
Very interesting thank’s ! I’m French and I admit we don’t learn this in high school anymore, funny that I have to listen to an American explaining my country’s history... :)
"The French recaptured Verdun and beat the Germans"
Lidl store signs in the background.
Two videos in a day? My birthday came a day early 😁😎 thanks ian
Llywarch Jones happy birthday today then :)
Honestly, I really enjoy Ian's method of explaining and detailing historical events like this. I wish he would do more videos like this one. He has a very easy-going way of describing events.
I doubt Ian will read this but I hope he knows he's one of the most driving and convincing forces for historical learning on UA-cam (and other sites).
Ive listened to this like 4 times already and it never gets old.
Wow Now I really want you to do entire wartime history segments, your lecture was incredibly engaging and enjoyable. This is one of the most entertaining history lessons I’ve had.
As a relatively new viewer of Forgotten Weapons, I sometimes wonder if Ian has notes just off camera that he refers to if his mind goes blank, but after watching this, I'm certain his mind is a library of firearms and history. Glorious.
This guy is way too impressive. Imagine being the actual tour guide on this trip once you realize someone like Ian is with you. He's so sweet, but it's got to be intimidating.
ive watched the video for 0.18393728 seconds and i already like it.
Georgia Oyegun me too!
As a fellow Francophile, that was an *awesome* little lecture - fascinating, and educational.
In less than 15 minutes, not only you managed to mention several details about trench warfare that I didn't know about, but, more importantly, painted a broad picture of the entire political and military climate of the era in relation to those details. Well done!
Being a Francophile means you are biased... like a Nazi sympathizer. And just as deluded.
JAMES HAY, why should I not have sympathies and preferences? My countrymen fought *against* the Nazis, not for them - and I'm damn proud of that.
Not all cultures are born "equal", and not all sides are equally evil in a war (although that's sometimes the case). Please don't insult me by comparison to Nazi sympathizers.
Also, how does that make me biased when it comes to the historical truth? And why would it?
PS. So you're telling me Ian is also "deluded". And yet you're watching his videos. Gotcha.
It is normal for a Frenchman to be biased towards his native country (given the way you use English, I assume you are American- not a French citizen). It is unnatural, unhealthy and unwise for people to hold biases in favor of other countries- whether that country be England, Germany, Russia, France, or any other. You do not live there, and you do not know the culture well enough to trust it above your own. Given the 2,200 year-long reputation of the Gauls, Franks and French for treachery towards allies and neighbors alike... I particularly would not recommend France!
JAMES HAY, you assume too many things:
1) You assume I'm American - wrong, I'm European.
2) You assume no Frenchman can use the English language well.
3) You assume that I'm unfamiliar with the French culture. In fact, I might know more about the French culture, politics and *language* than I do about the US.
4) You assume that I prefer the French culture to my own - wrong again.
5) You assume I don't live there. Currently correct, but you wouldn't know.
What's "unnatural, unhealthy and unwise" is the irrational hatred some Americans seem to exhibit towards all things French, despite the fact that France has supported you throughout your (very short) history. If I'm also allowed to _assume_ - I'd guess you're of the G.W.Bush school of thought, the one who labels anyone who doesn't blindly obey you as an enemy. Enjoy your Freedom Fries.
PS. I avoid divulging personal information on social platforms, but since I've already made an exception I'll say one more thing, without telling you where exactly I am from (have fun guessing). The one "ally" who last betrayed my country was the United States, by unashamedly supporting a certain military dictatorship. Despite that, I don't hold that against the entirety of the American people. Unlike you, I at least try to keep my biases in check.
Europeans are being systematically brainwashed to accept an artificial, homogenized "European" identity- to replace the old artificial, homogenized "National" identities their ancestors were brainwashed with. New lamps for old, with the same result.
French, German, Italian, Spanish... those became political identities in the 19th Century- when governments worked overtime to erase ethnic differences (and usually any religion that could not be co-opted into a "State Religion"). Even "British", although older, is iffy- squeezing Scots, English, and Welsh into a lump.
What is a Frenchman? A Gaul? A Frank? A Burgundian? A Breton? "Frenchman" was just a catch-all term for people who lived in a certain geographical area under a single centralized government. The Revolutionaries and Napoleon twisted the term into a fascist political identity. Italy, Germany, Spain, and other countries copied, for one reason or another.
"Gallic" is no more real-world than "Aryan". "European" won't be, either.
Note: your fear of mentioning your national citizenship shows how effective EU propaganda has been on you. :/
I saw the thumbnail and got excited. Then i watched the whole video, insight and analysis you could never get from a textbook. Truly compelling.
Very good video, i think Kubrick made a movie about this incident with kirk Douglas as a french officer! Paths of Glory
Pretty sure that is the movie. We watched it in our US2 History class and it is a good movie. Apparently it is banned in France
+Jambesyboy31 It was banned at its initial release, because we were still engaged in Algerian War and since this war was really nasty on so many points, the government had no choice but to enforce censorship everywhere.
Take my upvote! Great movie, and I believe the movie was banned in France, unfortunately (as everybody else knows too :-)
That is the movie, Marios Karampalis.
I've only been a Forgotten Weapons subscriber for a few months but I'm in awe of Ian's knowledge of military history and weapons. This video is proof that he doesn't study material the night before in order to sound like an expert but instead he actually knows and lives it. My dream would be to board a tour bus and look over only to see Ian sitting in the seat next to me.
I imagine that this is just what happens when you let ian sit at the front of the tour bus and he sees the microphone.
"We're driving and you can't get away from me"- Ian, holding the driver at Famas-point the whole way
Being able to understand Dutch, I kept looking for the roads the driver had to take because the gps keeps telling stuff in the background.
I know this is an oldie Ian, but man, I really felt like I was on the bus. Great stuff.
Ian explaining things while riding a bus should be a series.
5 years later and I remember this vid enough to make a point with it. Thank you, Ian, for providing the material.
When you want to go on strike but its war and you still want to defend your country so you only go on strike for assault...
Literally me, every time!
Russian looking name, not a bad decision to sit out the assaults. The general Russian Plan of Attack was, "Throw a shit load of men at the Germans, they will run out of ammo for their machine guns eventually." Unfortunately, they legitimately managed this at Stalingrad, they actually ran at the encircled Germans until the Germans ran out of ammo, and bloodshed was legitimately river worthy there.
@@Jeremiah90526 nice fable, throwing soldiers at the enemy until they finish ammo isn't a thing in military tactic and it will never be, the soviets broke trough the axis lines in two sides and one of these sides was defended by the Italians, unfortunately for the soldiers of my nation, with their underwhelming equipment they never had a chance against soviet tanks, it is said that some of our soldiers or generals (idk honestly) called our tanks "bare da morto" wich translates to coffin because they were shit, so no the soviets didn't do that, I went on a tangent on the Italian army because why not, it's interesting, our soldiers were not idiots and cowards, just under equipped
@@Jeremiah90526 I also learn my history from the greatest documentary ever produced, “Hostile at the Doorstep”
Well it is true that the Germans were running out of supplies in their offensive in Russia.
One of the reasons I'm a huge fan of this channel. You're not just a gun guy, but a historian at heart. Kudos.
Gun Jesus is now a tour guide
Tour jesus.
This is a really enjoyable talk to listen to. The fact it's very casual makes it very easy to take in and very pleasant to here. Frankly I'd love to hear Ian talk more about weird, obscure, or simply interesting bits from World War I, World War II, or other conflicts in history if this is a sample of what he's capable of.
Keep these format videos coming, I have three loves in life: Guns, history, and dogs.
I’ve watched forgotten weapons for years and this is probably my favorite video, I’d love to see the channel do more monologues like this.
5:49 "Brutal."
Before even watching, I just want to note how incredible it is that you can provide an impromptu history on the French mutinies of 1917. Kudos to you and thank you for the videos.
Guided tours with gun Jesus
Ringing Steel, I’d pay for that, no questions asked.
I was on this trip. He's hosting another in Sept. going to many of the places that were missed on last years excursion.
"This (the mutinies), to my knowledge, never happened to the german army."
Doesn't the Kiel mutiny of 1918 count though? I know it was the german navy but still, very similar reasons and historically super significant as it pretty much ended the German empire.
Awesome video as always though Ian!
Yes, however, those mutinies happened in the German Navy, not the German Army. Moreover, nearly all of the Germans who fought in the Freikorps units, who put down the communist uprising in German, had been in the army.
Forget swamp people and all those Alaska weirdos, the History Channel needs to offer Ian a show. Some history, some forgotten weapons style showings, mostly connected. Talk about the battle, then the weapons involved. Ian gets full control of everything. I would watch the hell out of that!
The brutality and horror of WW1 surpasses that of just about any war in history possibly even WW2.
1320crusier doesn’t even touch WWII, for many reasons, one of them being the sheer size, scope and scale of the slaughter. What, about 50% more fatalities in WWII compared to WWI.
The horror and slaughter of the Asian theatre alone is comparable-or even exceeds-that of WWI. That being from India-to Guadalcanal and everything in between.
That i s a very accurate and well summarized account of what happened there at the time (from actual historical works). Well done!
2:18 LOL at the bus in front just driving over the center of the roundabout! Those don't look too friendly for large vehicles...
They're pretty commonplace throughout most of Europe aren't they? They're getting more and more common in the US now too.
Those are designed so that semi trucks can drive over them to make the turn.
H3x4r35 It’s the same problem in the US. It seems any new roundabout that gets put in is in a place where it’s not just not necessary, but actually makes traffic worse and more confusing.
There not ment to be,! It's about the only way you can slow the French down.
H3Xr45: And the best exported French TV show? The Magic Roundabout! Loved it as kid, even more so as an adult when I can se ethe jokes. :-)
It's really cool how detailed you're able to talk about historical events like mutinies in the First World War. I already loved the video where you were talking about the French Resistance with that V sign on the rifle , but that video sure was even more fascinating.
In the end we germans still won, LIDL is everywhere. :D
and it is awsome
Ashley Weeks See it was good until you said something.
That was probably shot in a Mercedes bus
Aldi > Lidl
Didldidi is best
Man I miss my trip to Europe visiting battlefields... best summer of my life. Wish I had Ian as a guide then.
Gun Jesus preaches the parable of the Hesistant French to his disciples - 1 BC
A podcast with Ian describing battles like this would be awesome
Apparently General Melchett existed everywhere on the front and not just in the British high command
This is awesome! I would be happy with lectures like that on this channel.
Very good presentation but :
- the real hero of Verdun is Petain. He's the guy who really fixed the situation and allowed the french army to hold the line. Nivelle was his second in command and took his place when Petain was promoted. Neville finished the job but was a little bit too praised for the victory (that victory and him being fluent in English allowed him to become commander in chief).
- I think people are a little to harsh on Haig. While it's totally true a lot of lives were lost because of his decisions, we judge him afterwards, having more info on the situation that he had. War changed a lot during WW1 and people had to invent new tactics and strategies during the conflict. Haig wasn't Napoleon but neither an incompetent.
François Bergmans haig sucked
Petain, the convicted war criminal of WW2?
JAMES HAY yes. That's why he took power so easily in 1940, he was a war hero and people trusted him.
I think that Petain being the hero of Verdun is the reason that he was not executed for having been head of the Vichy government; the sentence of death given him by the court of the épuration légale was commuted to lifelong confinement.
I don't know how he does it. The combination of down to earth and authoritative is mesmerising.
Je suis Francais et je t'aime ian !
pareil :)
Moi aussi.
idem
oui, il est beaucoup moins con que tous les autres anglo-americains patriotes !!
Bonjou
I still can't believe that this guy has a degree in engineering and not history. I would absolutely go on a WWI French history tour with Ian.
You gonna record this in portrait or landscape?
"Yes"
Fascinating history presentation. Incredible to have achieved it 'off the cuff'. Just shows how good our host Ian is!
I got Coronavirus from the guy violently coffing in this closed bus
I was looking for this comment.
Bruh
Man, Ian should do more of these. This was better than some documentaries I've seen
Every cough is a cringe for an those watching in 2020
I really like how ians pronounced every word so crisply , even I am not english speaker I can heard every word. Mind blowing.
Ian, I actually enjoyed your rare use of profanity in this video.
When he said shit the first time, I laughed, when he said it the second time, I got scared, if he says it a third time... run.
@@trenthanson4322 "bajezuz"
I would love to see more of these! Maybe a french walk through of WWI. I know there is way to much to talk about but still, just super super interesting. I would have loved to have you as my college history professor!
Fascinating. It's unfortunate more armies don't mutiny and refuse to kill each other simply because their leaders order them to.
@suspicionofdeceit Wouldn't that be nice.
@suspicionofdeceit Wouldn't that be nice.
@suspicionofdeceit Wouldn't that be nice.
I absolutely loved your take on this particular subject Ian. I would really love for you to do more along this line. I know its not quite within the realm of Forgotten Weapons but a series on the French Poilu from your POV/studies I would greatly appreciate! Maybe tuned more anlong the implementation of their weapons and tactics. As always I appreciate your hard work and dedication in the preservation and proliferation of the weapons of war.
Always love ur guys work
Wow. What a fantastic speaker! Hats off to you Ian.
he he, dutch tom tom navigation system.
Our driver is Dutch. :)
Viel mij ook op :D
I love Ian’s knowledge. I also love hearing him say “oh, shit” twice in this impromptu presentation; it adds depth to his character.